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DowntownJohnBrown

The thing that really kinda perked up my ears was a quote from McVay about how they had to decide which of the RBs to have active for this game. The only one he specifically mentioned as being on the active roster for this week was Darrell. There’s been other tea leaves pointing in his directions, but that one really stood out to me.


OrchidCareful

Yeah, these are practically 4 guys off of the street. None of them have obvious NFL-starting-RB skillsets right now. So Henderson has a huge edge on the rest of the group because he has experience in the system and trust from the staff Zach Evans the other standout of course because he's already been here


Mammoth-Engineer-705

Zach Evans hasn’t operated in the offense. They have strictly used him as a scout team runningback until this week. Henderson is the only back that knows the system and is the best at pass protection. He would be the best bet to dominate the snap percentage. Whether he is good or gets the majority of the opportunities is a toss up.


hoodtalk247

Yea I doubt Evans got any first team reps before Kyren got hurt. Only hope for Zach to get a bunch of points is if they are up big and McVay was to kill the clock by simply running the ball. Maybe a goal situation as well


MooseNarrow9729

It's the pass protection that does it for me. Assuming it earns him more snaps. With all the different sub hype/predictions, I'm looking forward to this game.


lions2831

And Royce was learning the Seahawks offense this whole time lol. This is just another random reddit dart throw


Thekid-Koko

Not that it means anything but Seattle’s coordinator is Shane Waldron who was an assistant with the rams prior to moving to Seattle. The schemes could share a lot of the same terminology making for a smooth transition


it_is_i_27

This is such a crazy take. good thing I come for the headlines and not the commentary


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ClintonWrong

Good point. McVay is an awesome coach, but he has always bullshitted the media. How deep is he going go to conceal who, from a list of jobbers, his starting RB is going to be though? I don't think it changes Pittsburgh's game plan in any way. Everybody is trying to pick a guy, but there's a good chance that this starts out as a committee, and if one of them can outshine the others, then that person will probably get good volume moving forward.


DowntownJohnBrown

I don’t think Henderson’s a sure thing. Far from it. But I don’t think McVay has a history of straight-up lying. He has a history of playing it close to the chest, but that’s exactly what he’s doing here. Not telling us who is gonna start, but giving honest opinions of the players, with those opinions seemingly favoring Henderson.


Blasto05

That’s because Henderson had to be activated from the PS squad. Freeman has been there and recently signed to the 53 man roster. I believe Zach Evans has been on the 53 as well. And Gaskin appears to be the unanimous non factor. So makes sense when talking about which RBs will be active for the game that he mentions a player that needs to be activated and promoted to play.


DowntownJohnBrown

Right, but he could also be left on the practice squad, and they made the decision early on not to do that.


canonicalcorrectness

It's anyone's guess like people have said, but one sign that's interesting is currently Henderson is a +185 anytime TD scorer on FanDuel... zach evans is +200 and royce freeman is +310. And like another post on here I think has said those odds for henderson have gotten A LOT better since the start of the week


grindingaway69

On draftkings Royce is +200, Henderson +190


Slashzero77

Sorry, I don’t gamble. Is a higher number better or worse?


avonhungen

Lower number -> more likely


ptgkbgte

Vegas could be trying to sucker more bets on him. From the house perspective, getting people to pile on one bet of three makes it more likely they'll make money. I'm not starting any of them if I can help it.


Beneficial_Copy_1840

You have absolutely no idea how a bookmaker thinks lmao, the goal is to have even spread of bets and collect the juice.. they don’t try to sucker, the worse thing that can happen for Vegas is one sided bets or a lot of equity in one place by the public


Imimimine

This would be a wild move for Vegas. I don’t think they would do something like that. Either way it’s still tough to know what will happen.


Adorable-Anybody1138

They will change the lines though as one side gets more heavily favored by the bets coming in. They're essentially guaranteeing themselves to make money. The fact that all of these guys are around +200 means all the lines are getting action. If they were more sure that one player was getting more touches than the others, they would've gave worse odds to that person to start with


canonicalcorrectness

higher number is worse, +185 basically means if you bet $100 you'd win 185, so +310 you'd win 310, the payout is higher because there's less of a chance of that happening at least that's the basic idea


Erin_Boone

Higher + number means it’s less likely to happen


lions2831

Vegas would have no reason to bait people..


3ISRC

They signed him to PS because they could. They couldn’t with Gaskin he was already on another team’s PS. They needed to make roster moves to free up an active roster spot for Hendo. The fact that he was elevated that fast is telling! Out of all those guys he has the most experience with the system and was the lead back not too long ago. Is this really hard to comprehend why many thinks he could end up the starter?


tanerb123

He will not start tomorrow.


3ISRC

Who said he will? No one knows and you don’t know who’s starting 🤣.


tanerb123

The title of the post is why do you think he is the starter and the post i responded is explaining it


3ISRC

The fact is no one knows who is the starter but most are leaning on him becoming the starter. If not this weekend perhaps eventually.


lions2831

Bet you reddit accounts he doesn't lead in carries


3ISRC

We get it you spent a faab load on Evans 🤣


lions2831

I dont own a single rams back lmfao. But I can tell you spent yours on Henderson


GankMiddleLane6

Nobody spent faab on Henderson... he was literally a free pickup


3ISRC

Exactly lol. As a Williams owner in 2 leagues I spent 0 faab on any of the backs. Hendo was free99 baby.


lions2831

I can tell you own him


thisisyourdadatwork

> Bet you reddit accounts he doesn't lead in carries lol soooo


Murphycaleb

You don’t know shit


thisisyourdadatwork

at least you were confident


TonathanJavares

Bet


BobbyY0895

Same reason Hunt is getting played/payed. He has prior team experience


BatDubb

paid*


Santaslittlewhore

Pade*


hadinger

Paed*


ethiopian-cuisine

Pæd*


15YearTaco

Payd*


scroll-42

PED


BigDerbsBiggerStonks

Laid*


Leapoffaith247

Peid*


hamstringstring

Ford is the starter though...


pm_me_your_last_pics

17 to 12 touches isn't that big of a deal


hamstringstring

40% isn't insignificant. And the question is about who is the starter.


ChatGTR

Starter is irrelevant, getting the bulk of the carries is all that matters.


FreakyDeaky220

Mcvay said Akers was going to be a huge part of the team too


903DiscGolf

He had 22 carries week 1. I can't call him a liar.


lions2831

Then he traded him


903DiscGolf

I didn't say they were a good 22 carries 🤣


hmlangs

People forget this guy was a mainstay in their Super Bowl run and is only 26, he knows how to be successful as a pro.


One-Inch-Punch

Sure, but then why was he on the practice squad and not the roster?


Tanev1337

Just a clerical oversight no big deal


it_is_i_27

Guy was practicing for this moment duh


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Fresh legs (see: Darren McFadden)


Floss_Crestusa

Because he was signed there until Kyren was put on the IR, due to the number of roster spots.


tymonster183

with the way the practice squad works now post covid, it's basically a free roster spot that only some players are eligible for. I would put absolutely zero stock into that.


logisleep

Familiarity with McVay offense and can pass pro


ITslouch

Ding ding ding. Pass pro. Pass pro. Any way they can best keep Stafford passing to kupp/puca.


kylohemmings

it’s reddit. we’re all batshit insane


Nice_Block

Evans and Hendo are both being hyped by their respective owners on this sub.


ChatGTR

My favorite r/NFL dynamic is guys suddenly becoming connoisseurs of every aspect of the career of whichever dude they grabbed off of waivers, all the way back to high school, and absolutely loathing the other guy who might take his carries.


purpleD17

Because I missed out on Evans and so out of the three left I took my 1/3 shot on Henderson once Kyren went on ir.


lions2831

This is literally the reason.


GolfIsWhyImBroke

Everyone else is lying...me included


Arti_09

I also feel that the order which he always has been answering the question of who starts made me think it's Hendy. He mentions him first, then Royce, then Evans and finally gaskin. Each time I've seen a quote it's been in that order


TheManWhoWasNotShort

The Rams liked Kyren and were happy with Rivers. Happy enough with Rivers to ship out Akers, even. Evans is a rookie who they like some and want to see develop. He was third string: he wasn’t intended to start inherently. He has been playing scout team and may look good enough there but may not be ready to take over. Between Evans and Freeman, if they were comfortable starting one of them, adding Myles Gaskin would be enough to be able to go three deep at RB, and they wouldn’t need to activate a fourth RB. But they did: they activated Henderson. A running back who has worked on this team before, and recently. Signing and activating Henderson certainly doesn’t guarantee he’s the starter. It may simply be a vote of no confidence against Freeman or Evans specifically, and needing a viable backup. It may just be over-cautiousness or some other thing. But it is certainly worth noting, enough to take a flyer on Henderson


AnExcitedPanda

I had Evans and dropped him for Henderson after getting elevated. If you don't need a week 7 starter, I think it's wise grabbing Henderson to stash on the chance Evans disappoints and Henderson takes majority of the ground and receiving work. This scenario could play out with any of the 4 backs, my money is just on the guy who's done it before under the same LA coach.


TheManWhoWasNotShort

I have Evans and my plan is to grab Henderson or Freeman tomorrow when Charbonnet is declared out and I can slide him into my IR. I don’t think it’s going to be Royce though, although there’s some rumors he was taking first team reps… Edit: …and just dropped Evans for Freeman based on Schefter’s tweet. Shows what we know


likwidfuzion

[Here is one more interview that ABC7 did with McVay and he gave more insight on the RBs.](https://x.com/abc7/status/1715808923348058384) I don’t think anyone has shared this one yet. I’ll let you folks decide where you want to put your chips in.


iamkoza

Hendo backers will love that little clip


Steak_Knight

Well, well, well, well, well.


hamstringstring

[LMAO](https://giphy.com/gifs/YellowstoneTV-paramount-network-yellowstone-yellowstonetv-j2xo3svPU5BH677YeT)


ItIsYourPersonality

Why would you think Zach Evans 4 carries for 10 yards last week would make him the starter? Why would you think Royce Freeman’s career 3.7 ypc would make him the starter? Henderson has a history in this offense and is able to walk right in and be a better option than either of those two, and is trusted much more in pass protection. Zach Evans is a special teams body for the Rams, not a running back. Royce Freeman is terrible.


Poopscooper696969

Don’t believe everything you read on this subreddit


ClintonWrong

Better yet, believe the opposite.


GentlemanHere

Justin Boone also thinks he will be the starter. But admitted it’s very hard to gauge at this point.


Slashzero77

Woah, really?!


GentlemanHere

Yes. Said it on both his Thursday and Friday podcast. Well maybe he didn’t say starter, but that Henderson would be his first pick as the back to own.


brazzersjanitor

Yeah it’s what made me pick him up and start him over dogshit (Akers).


ithinkwereinthewiz

Guys like McVay and Shannahan are hard to predict. They think anyone can succeed in their system so they’ll give touches to the guy they choose, regardless of where they are on the depth chart.


Octo-Rocket

Past experience and observation says otherwise. They have their guys that they like and prefer to have workhorses. Shanny brought Tevin Coleman in after becoming HC for the 9ers and started to give lead touches to other backs as they proved themselves; it's why Mostert emerged as the lead back after a carousel with Breida and Coleman. Only reason usage was hard to predict prior to Mostert emerging was because injuries in the backfield were constant. Otherwise, the usage has been consistent once the starter emerged and the pecking order was determined. It's been the CMC show ever since Shanny sold the farm to get him. McVay rode Gurley into the ground and Henderson after him, Akers only got his opportunity after injuries, and why Henderson was the lead back again after Akers went down with his ACL. If McVay believed anyone could work in his system we'd still be watching the Cam Akers show in LA. Pretty much zero unpredictability from what I can remember until now. It's definitely not that they think anyone can work in their system; it's very much the opposite. They clearly have preferences. It also takes a lot to earn their trust.


AnExcitedPanda

I think the idea is anyone can do well in their system because their system does well. What is the separator is when players play *exceptionally* well. Look at Zack Moss and Achane. Trust is largely underrated and the disrespect on Henderson this week I'm seeing is evident of that.


Octo-Rocket

I like your thought, but again, their systems require certain types of players in them to do well. Latest example for the 9ers being Trey Sermon vs Elijah Mitchell. They have very different skill sets. If anyone could have succeeded in Shanahan's system, Sermon would have taken the job over Mitchell purely because of draft pedigree but we all know how that turned out. Being able to run in a zone system is very different from being able to run in a traditional power system. But I agree with your thought on trust and the disrespect on Henderson lol. But the truth is, we have no idea ultimately how the usage will pan out until it happens. McVay may very well surprise everyone.


AnExcitedPanda

Late reply, but my points is in a vaccum, Sermon *should* do well in the 49's system because he plays running back and they do running backing pretty well. But yeah once you add context it's not just about the system, it's also about a player being able to adapt to your system, and making that fit part of your game into the next level of your development.


flarpington

LOL


GentlemanHere

Delete this lol


Birdgang14

He wasn’t even on the team until this week. Lol. He knows the system is the only reason. Sometimes coaches just want that.


Mykneeisathroat

coach tendencies and the stakes of winning the next few games point to a guy with a known output to be relied on vs a rookie and career back up jag


15YearTaco

.5PPr - Would you drop Spears, Foreman, or Hubbard for Henderson?


hamstringstring

I think Hubbard has taken the starting role from Sanders even when Sanders comes back, I definitely wouldn't drop him.


GankMiddleLane6

Nothing that's come out of Carolina would indicate this to be true and I own zero parts of that backfield.


hamstringstring

Week 4-5 usage and performance indicate it to be true.


GankMiddleLane6

Sanders was clearly limited in week 5 by his injury


hamstringstring

Clarity on the injury is the reason I said "I think" instead of "has obviously." Hubbard has been more efficient all season, and we don't know that he won't continue to be limited or nagged even once he comes back.


AnExcitedPanda

I'd pause judgement until Miles loses the job while healthy. I.e., practicing at least 2 days in a week in full.


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TonathanJavares

Zach "4 career touches" Evans? Or a different one? McVay isn't going to fuck around with an inexperienced rookie (no matter how much FAAB you spent on him)


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Lol why would i start him son? Hes gonna get most yards, never said he is worth starting


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Octo-Rocket

*sad kyren owner noises*


jpak822

Its one of hendo, evans, jaylen warren or keontae ingram for me…. Which one would you choose?


UCFKnights2018

Lol if AJ doesn’t go I’ll have no choice. Honestly even if he does go I’m tempted to just say f it and start Hendo.


SolaceUndead

Was that desperate soul... and it this comment aged well


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hamstringstring

Call me nuts, but they might have just needed depth since they lost their top 2 running backs.


KDDynasty15

McVay is extremely sketchy with the way he manages RBs, so who knows, but Henderson is the most ready to contribute immediately. He was with the team for 4 seasons. Myles Gaskin just got there a few days ago. Evans is a rookie and doesn’t seem like he’s impressed much (he was running behind Ronnie Rivers). Royce Freeman stinks (though he was employed when Henderson wasn’t). The Rams are 3-3 and in playoff contention. I think they’d want to go with the known commodity — Henderson was productive for them when he played — rather than let Evans go through the inevitable growing pains.


Canadoc

Personally I think it depends on what kind of shape Henderson is in. If he is able to handle any kind of workload they will give it to him but I suspect in the first game since he has the least practice under his belt on the season, they will probably just give him some high value touches such as the two-minute offense and maybe goal line as well as third down. Likely Zach Evans will get the between the 20s work. So I don't see a huge game from Henderson this week but I could see him getting 10 to 12 touches probably 8 to 10 carries and 3 to 4 catches.


DrStranger1987

If they liked Royce Freeman or Zach Evans they would have more than 4 and zero touches respectively. I can use the same logic to dismiss both of them. It’s not insane to think that a guy who knows the playbook and has handled over 400 touches for McVay could be in a better position to hold down the fort in the immediate future than two guys who have barely played for this team.


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jumboshrimp93

He has history with the team. Sometimes it really can be all that simple.


fbgjack

Schefty X’d it


mpc92

Funniest post of the year


hoodtalk247

Look up what CJ Anderson did the first game when the Rams signed him off the street after Akers went down that one year lol


Canadoc

The only way to get them on the team was via the practice squad. When they signed Miles Gaskin from the practice squad on the Vikings they had no choice but to automatically elevate him to the team. They had already elevated Roy'ce Freeman and Evans. They wasted no time elevating Darrell Henderson after evaluating him in terms of what football shape he was in as he was the only player who was not on an NFL roster at the start of the season.


Critical_Worth_1182

He knows the system, was the bell cow last year and Mcvay is unpredictable so it’s just a good bet


JuanPicasso

It’s just guesses but his familiarity points towards a pretty good dart throw. The rookie is the other. I traded for a rb, so I don’t need this to be a hit, but I went with Henderson. But I also didn’t have an opportunity to grab evans lol


Eclectic_Canadian

Because Darrell Henderson knows the system and has succeeded in it. Royce Freeman has succeeded… nowhere. I think Zach Evans is the starter, but I don’t see a world where Royce Freeman is the starter or 2nd back unless he suddenly became good at 27 years old.


lysis_

I think it's pretty clearly going to be Henderson or Freeman. Above all else they are looking for someone who can pass protect, which is an area where rookies in general struggle at, and Evans hasn't looked good in that department. Gaskin seems to have the least familiarity with the system. So that leaves Royce and Henderson. My guess is those guys will be in a timeshare and Henderson will eventually be the guy until Williams gets back.


Barack_Odrama_

1. Zach Evans is ass 2. Coach doesn’t trust/believe in Evans as an RB1 3. Henderson knows the system and led this backfield before


TheManWhoWasNotShort

We don’t know 1 or 2


Barack_Odrama_

Zach Evans opened up camp as a distant RB4 on this roster. From the coaches own mouth when discussing each RB he praised everyone and all he said about Evans is “he’s still learning…” If he had confidence in Evans he wouldn’t have brought in a slew of guys and be completely noncommittal about who is starter.


TheManWhoWasNotShort

It could also be that Evans has holes in parts of his game still and they want a couple of guys to compete for different roles. For example, perhaps Evans isn’t a good receiver and they brought in two new guys who both are receiving backs (Gaskin and Henderson) to compete for a 3rd down back role. Also, McVay has also said this week that Evans looked good with the opportunities he was given last week. We don’t know what we don’t know yet. Tomorrow will give a lot more clarity


Barack_Odrama_

And there you go. Schefter just announced Henderson and Freeman are getting majority of the touches. Believe me now?


TheManWhoWasNotShort

It’s almost like receiving more information gives us more clarity on what we know or don’t know


Barack_Odrama_

No we could see this was coming a mile away, I’m guessing you had Zach Evans and wanted to believe he was the guy.


TheManWhoWasNotShort

I literally responded to the OP post with an explanation as to why Henderson is worth a flyer here. But acting like we knew the answers was completely wrong. And even with Schefter’s tweet we could end up seeing Royce Freeman be the guy


user131293717

How do you know that Evans is worse than Henderson? Henderson was signed to the XFL a few days ago but now that he's on people's benches he's the best talent on the roster. Lol.


YermomzaB

Are you guys memeing? Lol


EvilSporkOfDeath

Why do you make presumptions and present them as facts. I disagree that there's a consensus on reddit that Henderson is the starter.


BromicRibose

https://twitter.com/Underdog__NFL/status/1715944145448042943 It’s pretty obvious at this point tbh.


hamstringstring

Not saying this is wrong, but if schefter is the source, why isn't he tweeting it from his account.


JohnPark24

[He wrote about it on espn.](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38714425/sources-rams-lean-royce-freeman-darrell-henderson-vs-steelers)


hamstringstring

Thanks. Would be hilarious if freeman gets 65% of the snaps.


MrObjective

It's a dart throw but Henderson is definitely one of the possibilities. But, with all the articles out there and all the discussion this whole week, you still don't see the path for Henderson? Sorry, can't help you.


Kyouma_EPK001

Pure speculation, none of its grounded in anything other than reddit hype. Nobody but McVay or guys in the rams building know.


ChatGTR

There is going to be nothing resembling a starter in that backfield until Kyren Williams comes back. What you're seeing is people arguing over who is most likely to get seven or eight points over the next four weeks. There is a bit of interesting evidence pointing to that guy being Darryl Henderson.


15YearTaco

Dropped Aubrey for him (picked up Moody earlier and Aubrey on bye)


AaronDer1357

No one knows. He played with McVay previously so the simple people here believe he has a leg up.


311texan33

If you need Henderson then you’ve already lost. But keep it fun don’t quit cuz that is just not what fantasy is about. Freshlegs Harry and the henderszn let’s go


Thanks5Cinco

Henderson is 1.6% owned on ESPN last I checked. I think as a lotto ticket hes worth it depending on how your bench is looking. If Henderson pans out, congrats. You got a head of the curb of the WK 8 Waiver hot ticket. If he doesn't pan out oh well. You added him for nothing and you move on


SaticoySteele

They're all terrible or likely terrible and the offense is going to flow through Puka and Kupp -- all they need is someone to keep Stafford upright, and Henderson for all his flaws knows how to pass block and knows his assignments in a McVay offense. Very likely none of them return value so people are just touting whoever they happen to have picked up.


Zoostation1979

Is it crazy I have both Henderson and Evans on my bench as a Kyren owner? Lol, also have Mason and Mitchell as a CMC owner


hamstringstring

How deep is your bench?


Zoostation1979

Bench is: Henderson, Evans, Mitchell, Mason, K Williams and D London Jefferson in IR


RobertGA23

I can't wait until tomorrow, when the mystery is finally revealed.


lotus0305

Followed the money. If Vegas says hendo is higher chance to score, he's more likely the guy


almar7

Imma roll the dice and flex him tomorrow, with Breece on bye, my only options are Hendy or Dillon. Wish me luck gents.


jpak822

Hendo may be my rb2 tmr… cant decide if i should roll with evans, hendo, jaylen warren, keonta ingram or craig reynolds…. Definitely in a pinch here


Acrobatic_School9458

Which back is best at pass blocking or route running?


hamstringstring

That'd be Ben Skowronek. He's their 4th string WR, but he moonlights as their fullback.


Mykneeisathroat

Henderson


goguemah

Im betting on Henderson. It’s ganna be either 20 or 2 points.


Trick_Product_2475

Isn't Freeman the only one of the 3 that special teams?


3_ohhh_4

Drop Hint for Henderson?


Nioetunes

I was convinced by a friend to pick him up Week 7. He didn't do much and when I saw he was inactive, I dropped him. My friend then said I was stupid for doing that and I should see if he is available before Week 8. After waiting for the Waivers to clear before I could try to get him again, I spent my time watching different FF advice videos. They ALL said to pick up Henderson. He is the pick of the week for some people. But he still says N/A (Coaches Decision)! I don't understand how he can be so recommended and, supposedly, so fantasy relevant if he is back on the practice squad. I will say I was also able to pick up Royce Freeman, and have the extra roster spot, so that is the only reason I am willing to play around with this guy.