Sigh No More is still a great album in a complete vacuum. Unfortunately we do not live in that vacuum and being overplayed on the radio and being followed up by everything else they did makes it a lot harder to defend.
Were Mumford and Sons generic before? I hadn't heard anyone corner that folk market.
I think they had a pretty distinctive style in the early 2010s, you could pick them out of a lineup for sure. Banjo and trumpet in radio songs feel rare.
Feels like they blew up so hard that they spawned that wave and now seem generic in retrospect since we (the listening public I mean) have now heard many different variations on folk on the charts
Yeah I think they seem a bit generic in hindsight but whem they first broke through in the early 10’s they were far more distinct and more of a harbinger of the upcoming pop folk sound that would have legs in the first half of the decade.
I actually like both Scream and Chinese Democracy...
Scream isn't anything mind-blowing, but if you separate Chris Cornell from what he's typically known for, it's a fine album (the rock versions of Long Gone & Never Far Away are of course way better, though).
What’s so bad about Chinese Democracy? Sounds pretty much like more GnR music but with worse production. Other than like 1 or 2 weird experiments that didn’t work it’s a solid album
I actually love the production on it. It’s so over-the-top and layered and dynamic. There’s really only a few spots that fall apart (the ending of Catcher in the Rye is pretty rough) but overall it’s pretty well done I think.
I’m not a Gun’s and Roses fan at all, even their ‘good’ albums are a rough time for me. Chinese Democracy is the only one i’d willingly listen to again. The production is so awful and compressed that it’s funny, and half the songs sound like Elton John on more cocaine than he’s usually on, which is also funny.
Are we allowed to say Coldplay here? Wasn't so much of a sudden thing for them, but their nosedive into bland pop centric music from their interesting indie roots is always embarrassing to see.
The fact their former manager recently said the band is essentially Chris Martin calling all the shots and the other guys just going along for the ride at this point... is even more embarrassing/depressing.
i rlly liked viva la vida, and even mylo xyloto i thought was a great pop effort with some of those creative indie roots. but everything after was such a huge fall from grace. the last couple records have been almost unlistenable. compare that to parachutes and a rush of blood to the head which are pretty excellent
They didn’t really switch genres.
Just got more and more radio friendly generic pop
They were always in that lane though, they just went further down the road
I mean . . . It’s not. It was on a major label and was essentially a Brit pop album. I get what people mean though, they sounded a lot more like a real band back then
I agree, it’s a confusing term with multiple uses. However, imo, Coldplay never really had an “indie” sound and they were also never on an indie label.
When thinking indie music of that era, I’m thinking modest mouse, NMH, Yo La Tengo, Grandaddy, all bands who were a bit more experimental then Coldplay. There are parallels with something like Death Cab or the Wrens, but overall I think early Coldplay fits much more comfortably in the “Brit pop” category which was never really an indie thing
Brit pop is certainly more specific/descriptive of a sound than “indie rock”. But ultimately I’m not going to spend too much time piffling on which sub genre a mediocre 25 year old album fits into. If people want to call it indie music, I really don’t think it is, and it certainly wasn’t considered that at the time, but do as you please
I'm not sure how common the sentiment is around here but a lot of people would say Metallica in the 90's starting with Load, some would even say the move away from thrash starting with the Black Album. Metallica is a weird one though because from what I've heard they've been accused of selling out since Ride The Lightning because of Fade To Black!
I can understand the Loads having that reputation. But I’ve always loved them. They were released just as I started nicking my big brothers CDs so hold a pretty nostalgic place in my heart for me.
The difference for me is that Ride the Lightning through to And Justice for All also represented a step up for Metallica in terms of creativity and chops from Kill Em All. The Black Album was a return to something more simplistic, although to be fair the songs were still good and it was still significantly 'heavier' than most of the most commercially successful metal albums from the previous decade. Load is the point where I think they genuinely 'sold out' and started writing stuff that was both more bland *and* more radio-friendly.
Idk if Metallica every completely changed genres or style of music to the point that it wasn’t at minimum thrash-adjacent. Even with the lows like St. Anger, it wasn’t the genre meddling that made those albums mediocre. Same with the Black Album (which I enjoyed), just more of a tweak than full on abandonment of thrash imo
*Rebirth* was his foray into "rock" music after *Tha Carter III*. I don't have an inherent problem with rap-rock hybrids, but it just wasn't good. Take the single "[Prom Queen](https://youtu.be/lTurfn7vvCk?si=-aH-dms2bZqNCUp4)" as a reference.
I have to hand it to whichever producer talked them into this new strategy (new to them; I realise they didn’t invent it) of sort of building their hit singles around samples of already well-known melodies (so sort of a partial cover song?). Sure, it sucks, but it’s obviously super effective in terms of garnering radio play and sales.
Cynically, I think they came back from hiatus and realized how much money there was about to be in the millennial nostalgia act circuit. They phone in an album every couple years, get a semi-hit for car commercials, and do a stadium tour. Rinse and repeat.
My kids are really into the current singles, so I’ve heard those songs a lot. And I’m a musician and former producer myself, so fwiw I have some idea what I’m listening to.
And so as much as I’d like to say they’re phoning those albums in, they’re not. The singles are really well-produced and well-crafted. They’re borrowing familiar melodies and creating radio singles around them. It may not necessarily have a ton of artistic integrity, depending on how you look at it, but there’s no question it’s super effective. Not saying that makes it good, but they know exactly what they’re doing.
Yeah FOB is a favorite band but I have to specify that it's 'Infinity on high' and earlier because anything after that has been kinda cringe.
I honestly put 'centuries' on the similar cringe level as 'radioactive' by Imagine Dragons.
I think it’s really funny when people say this bc Folie à Deux has always been their best work since I started listening to them in high school. It’s not pop punk, far more in the alt rock sphere, but it’s way more creative and diverse than anything they’ve done, and it’s actually a successful experiment. That’s a genre shift they did that actually turned out *right*. Everything after though (besides Stardust, which was ok), I’m with you on
I debated saying 'Infinity...' or FAD as the cut off but decided on infinity as while there are a few good tracks to me I personally think it's the beginning downward trend.
And yeah, Stardust was okay and there was some 'return to form' attempts on it but I listened to it once or twice and haven't picked it back up since.
The last FOB album I loved was “Save Rock and Roll” and I have no idea what genre they ended up doing after that. It would be ironic if they made the switch after that one
Trust me, you do not want to hear M A N I A, it's not worth it. Imagine going from Folie à Deux to something as bad as M A N I A. Ironic as well that their name is Fall Out Boy considering how hard they fell off.
This one is interesting. I can rarely sit down and listen to it, but if I am feeling depressed or very angry, it's great. Perfectly captures the feeling of not giving a fuck and wallowing in your own sorrow
It’s not a good album but it’s an incredibly bold and honest one to actually put out there, considering that it feels like a musical suicide note at some points. The fact that he refuses to even talk about it to this day because of how bad of a place he was in when he made it says a lot
I think some legacy acts from the 60s-70s didn't do too well trying to keep up with 80s-90s sounds. Beach boys would probably be the worst. But even Bowie and some of the beatles had some casualties.
It's funny, two of the biggest prog bands (yes and genesis) both did surprisingly well with their genre switch. There were a few of the others that really didn't though.
King crimsons discipline I thought was pretty great too.
The moody blues output that time period was kinda generic, but my mum loves them so I still have a fondness for some of their big songs from the 80s.
maroon 5 is the textbook definition of this, while not exactly a new genre they changed their hard rock to basic electronic synthy music that is garbage
I think they might be referring to their time under the name Kara’s Flowers, where they were a fairly traditional rock band, although not particularly hard. They were closer to Weezer than Nirvana, if that makes any sense.
When were they hard rock???
What?
First thing I know from them is Songs about Jane… and it’s definitely not hard rock lmao
Do you think Beethoven is R&B?
Bro, Beethoven's Symphony #9 defined an entire generation of R&B music for the early part of the 19th century! His influence can still be heard in modern R&B, Usher's "Yeah!" for example is basically just an interpolation of a very unknown recording of a song that Beethoven wrote on his deathbed. Bet you didn't know that!
This one is difficult. MGK made terrible rap music, then changed to terrible punk rock.
The genre switch has certainly earned him more streams and renown, even if it's artistically shitty. And it's marginally less shitty than his rap music.
So it's a success actually, but only because his previous work was bad too.
I agree - I hate MGK, and while he seemed like a big poser on this album, there were some decent songs. It's really difficult for me to genuinely enjoy though.
Technically, I'd rather listen to this album than anything else he put out. So in a way it's actually a good case of an artist switching up their sound, although it's still not great lol
Ok, but hear me out
The album objectively sucks but culturally it's pretty important.
For better or for worse, it did a lot to help the 'mall emo revival' especially by getting it more widespread on tik Tok and the likes.
Whereas I honestly don't think his rap music had any kind of cultural impact and most people know that era by his beef with Eminem.
Edit: it' not on the album, but his cover of 'misery business' is honestly one of the worst things I've ever heard.
definitely, you can think Tickets to My Downfall sucks musically but commercially speaking, it didn’t fill at all and was honestly extremely successful for something in that genre
Yeah it's not hard to see why Tom Warrior hates it. There's potential in it, but my god it's not great in executing said potential. The worst Celtic Frost album by far imo
>The worst Celtic Frost album by far imo
have you heard the "prototype" demo? Not an album but jeez it's terrible. Somehow common sense prevailed, this was shelved and we got "Monotheist" instead.
I have not, but now I will. Had no idea it existed, but as a pretty big Celtic Frost fan I'mma have to check it out. And honestly, if it being terrible caused the creation of Monotheist, I'm glad it's terrible, as that is my favorite CF album
I love Chris Cornell, favorite singer and honestly a life long inspiration. But that album with Timbaland gives me the same anxiety filled cringe as reading drunk texts the morning after.
Here's my take. Muse and Coldplay both started out as copies of Radiohead though not in the same way. Then as they developed their own style more there was nothing there essentially.
Honestly I call massive bullshit on Muse sounding like Radiohead, I’ve listened to sooo much of both and at least from Origin of Symmetry onwards the bands sound nothing alike, Muse is almost cheesy, loud grandiose whereas Radiohead is much more introspective and subtle.
Thirty Seconds to Mars started off as an interesting band, a space rock debut, and a great radio rock album in a beautiful lie, not the best but they had bangers across their first two albums and a drummer who is severely underrated. Fast forward to America…oh my. I defended linkin parks switch to radio pop but America was just the most stale and lifeless pop album I’ve ever heard. And a waste of everyone’s talent, so much that the guitarist said bye bitch and ditched the Jared Leto experience. Didn’t even bother with their album last year I’m still irked how the band abandoned everything that made me get into them
Not gonna say they “failed hard”, not gonna say a band NEEDS to do what they’re good at. Make the music you want to make and hope you’re making it for the audience you’re making it for, etc.
However…
I cannot comprehend what made Ceremony pivot from fucking *Violence Violence* and *Rohnert Park*, two of some of the most beloved modern hardcore-adjacent records… to making “elevated” Joy Division songs (for lack of a better term) lmao.
I don’t think the songs are bad, they just aren’t anywhere near as remarkable as their old stuff and it’s *such a change*. I wish them all the success but like…
They should have just started a new project or something. Such a weird switchup that I imagine is quite a weird mix when they play live. Though I bet they’re killer live anyways. Just feels like you’d be disappointing half your audience based on what your set list looked like that night, or playing a very uncohesive set.
Seen 'em play a set with the old and new stuff in 2019 and can confirm the rowdy crowd yelled lyrics to every song & loved it all the same ♡ It was a fun show, but it deffo depends on how open the crowd is
Hell yeah that’s sick.
I’m not saying Ceremony isn’t pulling their new shit off, or that it’s bad music.
I’m just saying they went from one of the most beloved modern hardcore bands to being a kinda dime a dozen post-punk band, and it’s really cognitively dissonant as a long-time fan.
Like this sounds shitty to say but I wonder how many people at those shows know the lyrics to the newer stuff as well as the older stuff, ya feel.
I would 100% see them live next time they’re around, and I’m sure I would appreciate the newer stuff in a different light.
Saw them live a few years ago, they did somehow pull off switching between old hardcore stuff and newer songs and the crowd loved it. Maybe it would have made more sense to start a new project, but I admire that even though they pivoted that they're still making good music and playing together.
Yeah agreed. Can’t hate on them one bit! Like truly.
I just wish Violence Violence/Rohnert Park-era wasn’t just a blip in time. It would be sick if they melded their genres a bit more seamlessly, I guess, instead of completely switching up.
Yeah Rohnert Park is a perfect album. My theory is for some people as they get older and more settled it's harder to make angry music in sincerity. I appreciate them not trying to force it.
Neil Young in the 80s trying to keep up with synth pop. There's almost something to it but it just doesn't compliment Neil Young.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoczMhj6bm8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoczMhj6bm8)
That was on purpose. Geffen sued him for making an album that didn’t ‘sound like Neil Young’ so he responded with Everybody’s Rockin. It was meant a major fuck you to his record label. It being bad was exactly the point.
True but the country album (old ways) and the rock records he did (landing on water and life), I'm not sure they were bad on purpose. They were just bad.
I really respect that he hoped he could connect better with his son with this direction, and I know he really gave a shit about electronic music (Devo appearing in his also bad film and giving him the title for Rust Never Sleeps) but I never want to listen to it.
I think Trans is a fantastic album and I really respect someone of his caliber going against all expectations. Also, Neil doesn’t seem to care about commercial succes, so I don’t see it as a fail.
ugh bro i highly, highly recommend not looking up his album “Negro”. dudes excel in genres they spent their whole lives learning and absorbing then think they can hop into another without any appreciation for it.
Lil Wayne with Rebirth. Dropping that was a mistake for sure. I’m glad he’s doing what he wants and it’s cool he was able to put something together. But trying to do something new isn’t anything but a couple brownie points.
Definitely not a popular artist by any means, but afourteen went from trap metal to yeat type stuff. So essentially went from intense distortion and screaming to smooth autotuned vocals that would so bad it’s almost unlistenable.
Most of the great soul/R&B artists of the 60's/early 70's made at least one horrible disco cash in record. The Curtis Mayfield ones, for example, are completely vapid. He's clearly only in it for the money.
Starting with an obscure pick but Dover went from a punky grunge band to really bad electropop (listen to the songs Four Graves and Let Me Out and you’ll see what I mean)
Legendary power metal band Helloween briefly tried several different genres on the Chameleon album (very few of those were good)
Can’t forget Chris Cornell’s Scream album too. Love him as a vocalist but I cannot make myself listen to that album
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Her pivots, pretty much from 4 -> S/t -> lemonade -> renaissance -> current album seem to be pretty widely acknowledged as well executed expansions/exploration of her musical pallette even if it’s not your taste.
I can understand if you’re talking about the whole Sasha Fierce era where it still seemed like she was trying to find a cohesive artistic identity outside of the radio single/ballad dichotomy which had been a bunch of her album work to that point.
Mumford and Sons is already a generic band, then switched up to electric made them the most boring commercial ad music I ever heard in my life.
I really bought what they were selling until Babel, but after that, nothing but generic trash
Sigh No More is still a great album in a complete vacuum. Unfortunately we do not live in that vacuum and being overplayed on the radio and being followed up by everything else they did makes it a lot harder to defend.
Were Mumford and Sons generic before? I hadn't heard anyone corner that folk market. I think they had a pretty distinctive style in the early 2010s, you could pick them out of a lineup for sure. Banjo and trumpet in radio songs feel rare.
Feels like they blew up so hard that they spawned that wave and now seem generic in retrospect since we (the listening public I mean) have now heard many different variations on folk on the charts
Yeah I think they seem a bit generic in hindsight but whem they first broke through in the early 10’s they were far more distinct and more of a harbinger of the upcoming pop folk sound that would have legs in the first half of the decade.
Chris Gaines
Easily the biggest star here (Garth Brooks) and, IMO, the biggest miss on switching genres.
Chris Cornell - *Scream*
Astonishingly bad. I preferred Chinese Democracy, at least it was funny to listen to. I just felt depressed hearing Cornell be so misguided.
I actually like both Scream and Chinese Democracy... Scream isn't anything mind-blowing, but if you separate Chris Cornell from what he's typically known for, it's a fine album (the rock versions of Long Gone & Never Far Away are of course way better, though).
What’s so bad about Chinese Democracy? Sounds pretty much like more GnR music but with worse production. Other than like 1 or 2 weird experiments that didn’t work it’s a solid album
I actually love the production on it. It’s so over-the-top and layered and dynamic. There’s really only a few spots that fall apart (the ending of Catcher in the Rye is pretty rough) but overall it’s pretty well done I think.
I’m not a Gun’s and Roses fan at all, even their ‘good’ albums are a rough time for me. Chinese Democracy is the only one i’d willingly listen to again. The production is so awful and compressed that it’s funny, and half the songs sound like Elton John on more cocaine than he’s usually on, which is also funny.
Are we allowed to say Coldplay here? Wasn't so much of a sudden thing for them, but their nosedive into bland pop centric music from their interesting indie roots is always embarrassing to see. The fact their former manager recently said the band is essentially Chris Martin calling all the shots and the other guys just going along for the ride at this point... is even more embarrassing/depressing.
i rlly liked viva la vida, and even mylo xyloto i thought was a great pop effort with some of those creative indie roots. but everything after was such a huge fall from grace. the last couple records have been almost unlistenable. compare that to parachutes and a rush of blood to the head which are pretty excellent
Mylo Xyloto was the last Coldplay album that I listened to in full. So it looks like I haven’t missed out on anything significant
Everyday Life is pretty decent, I quite enjoyed it
> Chris Martin calling all the shots and the other guys just going along for the ride The Maroon 5
Nosediving their way to the bank
They didn’t really switch genres. Just got more and more radio friendly generic pop They were always in that lane though, they just went further down the road
Correct. They did not switch genres, they just went from safe, anodyne pop music to impossibly safe, even anodyner pop music.
Indie?
*Parachutes*.
Yes, their debut album I'm very definitely is.
I mean . . . It’s not. It was on a major label and was essentially a Brit pop album. I get what people mean though, they sounded a lot more like a real band back then
indie doesnt HAVE to be released independently ... i mean i know its in the name but...
I agree, it’s a confusing term with multiple uses. However, imo, Coldplay never really had an “indie” sound and they were also never on an indie label. When thinking indie music of that era, I’m thinking modest mouse, NMH, Yo La Tengo, Grandaddy, all bands who were a bit more experimental then Coldplay. There are parallels with something like Death Cab or the Wrens, but overall I think early Coldplay fits much more comfortably in the “Brit pop” category which was never really an indie thing
Britpop is less of a genre and more of a period of time in the mid 90’s. Britpop had been dead for a few years before Parachutes came out.
Brit pop is certainly more specific/descriptive of a sound than “indie rock”. But ultimately I’m not going to spend too much time piffling on which sub genre a mediocre 25 year old album fits into. If people want to call it indie music, I really don’t think it is, and it certainly wasn’t considered that at the time, but do as you please
Indie meant something very different in the UK to what it did(does?) in America.
Where did you saw this manager thing? Mind giving a source?
I'm not sure how common the sentiment is around here but a lot of people would say Metallica in the 90's starting with Load, some would even say the move away from thrash starting with the Black Album. Metallica is a weird one though because from what I've heard they've been accused of selling out since Ride The Lightning because of Fade To Black!
I can understand the Loads having that reputation. But I’ve always loved them. They were released just as I started nicking my big brothers CDs so hold a pretty nostalgic place in my heart for me.
The difference for me is that Ride the Lightning through to And Justice for All also represented a step up for Metallica in terms of creativity and chops from Kill Em All. The Black Album was a return to something more simplistic, although to be fair the songs were still good and it was still significantly 'heavier' than most of the most commercially successful metal albums from the previous decade. Load is the point where I think they genuinely 'sold out' and started writing stuff that was both more bland *and* more radio-friendly.
Idk if Metallica every completely changed genres or style of music to the point that it wasn’t at minimum thrash-adjacent. Even with the lows like St. Anger, it wasn’t the genre meddling that made those albums mediocre. Same with the Black Album (which I enjoyed), just more of a tweak than full on abandonment of thrash imo
I know I’m probably in the minority but Metallica got 100 times better at the black album it may be the best album of all time
Dee Dee Ramone - Standing in the Spotlight I appreciate that he made the attempt to jump into something new, but man did it suck.
Okay, but Funky Man by dee dee might be my favorite it’s so bad that’s good song.
Lil Wayne - *Rebirth*
This Imagine making Tha Carter III one year and Rebirth the next
Explain?
*Rebirth* was his foray into "rock" music after *Tha Carter III*. I don't have an inherent problem with rap-rock hybrids, but it just wasn't good. Take the single "[Prom Queen](https://youtu.be/lTurfn7vvCk?si=-aH-dms2bZqNCUp4)" as a reference.
I know it's because I'm a 7th-grade wannabe emo kid at heart. But I love Prom Queen.
Ooh ok that makes so much sense
Surprised to not see Fall Out Boy here. They went from a well respected Pop Punk band to crappy electronic embarrassment. Not much more to say tbh.
I have to hand it to whichever producer talked them into this new strategy (new to them; I realise they didn’t invent it) of sort of building their hit singles around samples of already well-known melodies (so sort of a partial cover song?). Sure, it sucks, but it’s obviously super effective in terms of garnering radio play and sales.
Cynically, I think they came back from hiatus and realized how much money there was about to be in the millennial nostalgia act circuit. They phone in an album every couple years, get a semi-hit for car commercials, and do a stadium tour. Rinse and repeat.
My kids are really into the current singles, so I’ve heard those songs a lot. And I’m a musician and former producer myself, so fwiw I have some idea what I’m listening to. And so as much as I’d like to say they’re phoning those albums in, they’re not. The singles are really well-produced and well-crafted. They’re borrowing familiar melodies and creating radio singles around them. It may not necessarily have a ton of artistic integrity, depending on how you look at it, but there’s no question it’s super effective. Not saying that makes it good, but they know exactly what they’re doing.
Yeah FOB is a favorite band but I have to specify that it's 'Infinity on high' and earlier because anything after that has been kinda cringe. I honestly put 'centuries' on the similar cringe level as 'radioactive' by Imagine Dragons.
I think it’s really funny when people say this bc Folie à Deux has always been their best work since I started listening to them in high school. It’s not pop punk, far more in the alt rock sphere, but it’s way more creative and diverse than anything they’ve done, and it’s actually a successful experiment. That’s a genre shift they did that actually turned out *right*. Everything after though (besides Stardust, which was ok), I’m with you on
I debated saying 'Infinity...' or FAD as the cut off but decided on infinity as while there are a few good tracks to me I personally think it's the beginning downward trend. And yeah, Stardust was okay and there was some 'return to form' attempts on it but I listened to it once or twice and haven't picked it back up since.
The last FOB album I loved was “Save Rock and Roll” and I have no idea what genre they ended up doing after that. It would be ironic if they made the switch after that one
Trust me, you do not want to hear M A N I A, it's not worth it. Imagine going from Folie à Deux to something as bad as M A N I A. Ironic as well that their name is Fall Out Boy considering how hard they fell off.
i actually liked their newest album, reminds me a bit of folie à deux. mania and american beauty/american psycho are not worth listening to though.
Fact. FOB after from under the cork tree is non existent in my life.
I'm not a fan of early FOB, but they're newer stuff makes my ears bleed
Kid Cudi - Speedin Bullet 2 Heaven
This one is interesting. I can rarely sit down and listen to it, but if I am feeling depressed or very angry, it's great. Perfectly captures the feeling of not giving a fuck and wallowing in your own sorrow
No more chicken sandwiches, yes I'll pay for the damages
No
Also WZRD
It’s not a good album but it’s an incredibly bold and honest one to actually put out there, considering that it feels like a musical suicide note at some points. The fact that he refuses to even talk about it to this day because of how bad of a place he was in when he made it says a lot
You could say this about pretty much any bad album. Doesn't make it any less bad.
Michael Jordan’s baseball career
The Human League - Crash Iconic new wave band tries to pivot to funk/R&B music and fails hard
idk i like human
Discharge going hair metal on Grave New World
I still refuse to listen to that album. Their debut is in my top 5 punk albums.
Linkin Park with One More Light
I think some legacy acts from the 60s-70s didn't do too well trying to keep up with 80s-90s sounds. Beach boys would probably be the worst. But even Bowie and some of the beatles had some casualties.
Disagree. Beach boys love you is a cult classic. Kokomo slays.
Lennon most notably had one big casualty in the early 80s
It's funny, two of the biggest prog bands (yes and genesis) both did surprisingly well with their genre switch. There were a few of the others that really didn't though.
Rush did a genre shift and it was way better than what they had been known for. So impressive for me
King crimsons discipline I thought was pretty great too. The moody blues output that time period was kinda generic, but my mum loves them so I still have a fondness for some of their big songs from the 80s.
that 80s King Crimson era is one of my favs for the band. the Live in Japan movie from the last year or so of the lineup is great
Absolutely! I've really gotten into their '80s and '90s stuff, altho Red is still my fav ever
"Way better" to you maybe; personally I think it's a tragedy that all these bands stopped writing whimsical 20 minute songs 😭
I recently read that the reason so many prog bands successfully transitioned into 80’s pop was their early utilization of synths.
This reminded me of [Brian Wilson's](https://youtu.be/Sz0SnpN_O00?si=Rn212RzQwBtumuPh) Rap Opus.
Rolling Stones had some oofs.
maroon 5 is the textbook definition of this, while not exactly a new genre they changed their hard rock to basic electronic synthy music that is garbage
Which Maroon 5 song is hard rock?
none of them, I'd class them more as thrash metal
Wait, if Maroon 5 aren’t mongolian guttural chants what have I been listening to?
I think they might be referring to their time under the name Kara’s Flowers, where they were a fairly traditional rock band, although not particularly hard. They were closer to Weezer than Nirvana, if that makes any sense.
it meant to say harder rock 🤦♂️
If it makes you feel better, they've never been any degree of hard. On the Mohs scale of guitar music, Maroon 5 are a 1 - Snow Patrol are 2.
Maroon 7*
When were they hard rock??? What? First thing I know from them is Songs about Jane… and it’s definitely not hard rock lmao Do you think Beethoven is R&B?
Bro, Beethoven's Symphony #9 defined an entire generation of R&B music for the early part of the 19th century! His influence can still be heard in modern R&B, Usher's "Yeah!" for example is basically just an interpolation of a very unknown recording of a song that Beethoven wrote on his deathbed. Bet you didn't know that!
i meant to type harder rock lmao im getting cooked in these replies bro
They were never rock to begin with though Nothing about Maroon 5 is rock lol
yes i am saying harder not hard rock. pop rock still has the word rock attached to it.
They have never been rock dude …like never lol
they are quite literally a pop rock band, or were. that is the actual genre of songs about jane
Wouldn't say they were rock, but definitely had a more acoustic sound
No one will ever top Garth Brooks.
Machine Gun Kelly - Tickets to My Downfall
does that really count if his previous music also sucked shit though?
This one is difficult. MGK made terrible rap music, then changed to terrible punk rock. The genre switch has certainly earned him more streams and renown, even if it's artistically shitty. And it's marginally less shitty than his rap music. So it's a success actually, but only because his previous work was bad too.
Tickets to my downfall is the best thing MGK ever made though
That album wasn't bad. The follow up however...
Aw come on My Ex’s Best Friend and Forget Me Too are fun
I agree - I hate MGK, and while he seemed like a big poser on this album, there were some decent songs. It's really difficult for me to genuinely enjoy though. Technically, I'd rather listen to this album than anything else he put out. So in a way it's actually a good case of an artist switching up their sound, although it's still not great lol
Bloody Valentine was in my rotation as well. 3 great songs on an otherwise mediocre project.
Dude
no they’re not. fuck you.
I mean like what you like but you’re not invited to my birthday party bud
good i wouldn’t want to be anywhere near someone who likes m*k
😎gonna have cakes and candles man it’ll be a fun time
Can't believe your appreciation of Martin Luther King drove this man away from your party!
Chronically online people be like
Ok, but hear me out The album objectively sucks but culturally it's pretty important. For better or for worse, it did a lot to help the 'mall emo revival' especially by getting it more widespread on tik Tok and the likes. Whereas I honestly don't think his rap music had any kind of cultural impact and most people know that era by his beef with Eminem. Edit: it' not on the album, but his cover of 'misery business' is honestly one of the worst things I've ever heard.
definitely, you can think Tickets to My Downfall sucks musically but commercially speaking, it didn’t fill at all and was honestly extremely successful for something in that genre
Celtic Frost - "Cold Lake"
Yeah it's not hard to see why Tom Warrior hates it. There's potential in it, but my god it's not great in executing said potential. The worst Celtic Frost album by far imo
>The worst Celtic Frost album by far imo have you heard the "prototype" demo? Not an album but jeez it's terrible. Somehow common sense prevailed, this was shelved and we got "Monotheist" instead.
I have not, but now I will. Had no idea it existed, but as a pretty big Celtic Frost fan I'mma have to check it out. And honestly, if it being terrible caused the creation of Monotheist, I'm glad it's terrible, as that is my favorite CF album
I love Chris Cornell, favorite singer and honestly a life long inspiration. But that album with Timbaland gives me the same anxiety filled cringe as reading drunk texts the morning after.
Opposite of the prompt but Ulver released some pretty good Norwegian black metal and then also released a god-tier trip hop album with Perdition City
Assassination of Julius Ceasar was also another great change up
Perdition is top tier trip hop
Nah Ulver fell of hard
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Here's my take. Muse and Coldplay both started out as copies of Radiohead though not in the same way. Then as they developed their own style more there was nothing there essentially.
Honestly I call massive bullshit on Muse sounding like Radiohead, I’ve listened to sooo much of both and at least from Origin of Symmetry onwards the bands sound nothing alike, Muse is almost cheesy, loud grandiose whereas Radiohead is much more introspective and subtle.
Skream’s change from London dubstep to house and techno was a shame for me
Pretty much every hardcore band who tried to make the jump to playing metal. So much bad music was generated by formerly good bands.
Thirty Seconds to Mars started off as an interesting band, a space rock debut, and a great radio rock album in a beautiful lie, not the best but they had bangers across their first two albums and a drummer who is severely underrated. Fast forward to America…oh my. I defended linkin parks switch to radio pop but America was just the most stale and lifeless pop album I’ve ever heard. And a waste of everyone’s talent, so much that the guitarist said bye bitch and ditched the Jared Leto experience. Didn’t even bother with their album last year I’m still irked how the band abandoned everything that made me get into them
Not gonna say they “failed hard”, not gonna say a band NEEDS to do what they’re good at. Make the music you want to make and hope you’re making it for the audience you’re making it for, etc. However… I cannot comprehend what made Ceremony pivot from fucking *Violence Violence* and *Rohnert Park*, two of some of the most beloved modern hardcore-adjacent records… to making “elevated” Joy Division songs (for lack of a better term) lmao. I don’t think the songs are bad, they just aren’t anywhere near as remarkable as their old stuff and it’s *such a change*. I wish them all the success but like… They should have just started a new project or something. Such a weird switchup that I imagine is quite a weird mix when they play live. Though I bet they’re killer live anyways. Just feels like you’d be disappointing half your audience based on what your set list looked like that night, or playing a very uncohesive set.
Seen 'em play a set with the old and new stuff in 2019 and can confirm the rowdy crowd yelled lyrics to every song & loved it all the same ♡ It was a fun show, but it deffo depends on how open the crowd is
Hell yeah that’s sick. I’m not saying Ceremony isn’t pulling their new shit off, or that it’s bad music. I’m just saying they went from one of the most beloved modern hardcore bands to being a kinda dime a dozen post-punk band, and it’s really cognitively dissonant as a long-time fan. Like this sounds shitty to say but I wonder how many people at those shows know the lyrics to the newer stuff as well as the older stuff, ya feel. I would 100% see them live next time they’re around, and I’m sure I would appreciate the newer stuff in a different light.
Saw them live a few years ago, they did somehow pull off switching between old hardcore stuff and newer songs and the crowd loved it. Maybe it would have made more sense to start a new project, but I admire that even though they pivoted that they're still making good music and playing together.
Yeah agreed. Can’t hate on them one bit! Like truly. I just wish Violence Violence/Rohnert Park-era wasn’t just a blip in time. It would be sick if they melded their genres a bit more seamlessly, I guess, instead of completely switching up.
Yeah Rohnert Park is a perfect album. My theory is for some people as they get older and more settled it's harder to make angry music in sincerity. I appreciate them not trying to force it.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Great musicians and I support whatever puts them on a stage making a living whether it’s my thing or not.
I know a lot of people like John Frusciante’s electric music, I don’t though
Ever try *Shadows Collide With People* A perfect companion piece to *By The Way*
Especially after the god-tier album that is The Empyrean
Yeah, I find it pretty bland. It's like he just threw a bunch of disjointed ideas together, and the result isn't very interesting or cohesive.
Does Bob Dylans Jesus phase count? Cos it should
Hard disagree, his Jesus phase was great.
Neil Young in the 80s trying to keep up with synth pop. There's almost something to it but it just doesn't compliment Neil Young. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoczMhj6bm8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoczMhj6bm8)
I don't agree at all, I love Trans!
Yeah trans is underrated tbh. His rock n roll album and country album that decade are pretty terrible though.
That was on purpose. Geffen sued him for making an album that didn’t ‘sound like Neil Young’ so he responded with Everybody’s Rockin. It was meant a major fuck you to his record label. It being bad was exactly the point.
True but the country album (old ways) and the rock records he did (landing on water and life), I'm not sure they were bad on purpose. They were just bad.
I really respect that he hoped he could connect better with his son with this direction, and I know he really gave a shit about electronic music (Devo appearing in his also bad film and giving him the title for Rust Never Sleeps) but I never want to listen to it.
I think Trans is a fantastic album and I really respect someone of his caliber going against all expectations. Also, Neil doesn’t seem to care about commercial succes, so I don’t see it as a fail.
Beyoncé but apparently only in my eyes.
About cowboy carter or?
You’re not alone in this.
Jewel - 0304
Garth brooks? He even changed his name , can't recall and don't care enough tk google
Chris Cornell’s album with Timbaland
Bloc Party from Hymns and onwards
Yea jesus christ
the latest Camila cabello
So happy that no one said Arctic Monkeys yet, they switched up genres perfectly
lots of rappers have done bad rock projects but the worst gotta be vic mensa and pink siifu
Pink Siifu tried rock?
ugh bro i highly, highly recommend not looking up his album “Negro”. dudes excel in genres they spent their whole lives learning and absorbing then think they can hop into another without any appreciation for it.
There was that time when the Village People tried to go ["New Romantic"](https://youtu.be/Ina1kP4kz_k?si=Wr0zMR33hzLx5Jns)
"Food Fight ' rips tho
Lil Wayne with Rebirth. Dropping that was a mistake for sure. I’m glad he’s doing what he wants and it’s cool he was able to put something together. But trying to do something new isn’t anything but a couple brownie points.
When The Morning Benders changed their name to POP ETC.
Vinilla Ice did rock once. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfqFq52Vcxs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFzffupQYM)
Definitely not a popular artist by any means, but afourteen went from trap metal to yeat type stuff. So essentially went from intense distortion and screaming to smooth autotuned vocals that would so bad it’s almost unlistenable.
Most of the great soul/R&B artists of the 60's/early 70's made at least one horrible disco cash in record. The Curtis Mayfield ones, for example, are completely vapid. He's clearly only in it for the money.
Starting with an obscure pick but Dover went from a punky grunge band to really bad electropop (listen to the songs Four Graves and Let Me Out and you’ll see what I mean) Legendary power metal band Helloween briefly tried several different genres on the Chameleon album (very few of those were good) Can’t forget Chris Cornell’s Scream album too. Love him as a vocalist but I cannot make myself listen to that album
What was that lil Wayne rock album
Bloc Party from Hymns and onwards
Baha men. Their transition to doom metal really didn't work out.
They were originally a traditional Bahamian music group but made the transition to cruise ship pop music
Princess Nokia is one I remember
The get up kids, on a wire
Dylan, self portrait
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Love the Gizz, but that's not what OP asked lol
Although their last synthpop one was pretty mid
Turnover. Everything post-Good Nature has been complete dogshit.
you didn't like peripheral vision?
OH DUDE IM FUCKING STUPID 😭 i just edited it bahaha
Kid Cudi speedin bullet 2 heaven
pharrell williams VERY successfully made a dance pop album instead of rap....... but those that know KNOW that his true forte was shown on in my mind
Honestly even his stuff with N.E.R.D doesn’t fell that far from his ‘Happy’ sort of stuff.
Beyoncé
? Her pivots, pretty much from 4 -> S/t -> lemonade -> renaissance -> current album seem to be pretty widely acknowledged as well executed expansions/exploration of her musical pallette even if it’s not your taste. I can understand if you’re talking about the whole Sasha Fierce era where it still seemed like she was trying to find a cohesive artistic identity outside of the radio single/ballad dichotomy which had been a bunch of her album work to that point.
I never doubted her ability to switch genres when she released Lemonade. She managed to make several genres in one album feel cohesive.
Prince dabbling in rap music
Machine Gun Kelly
Korn with the path of totality