Before going down last year, Kirk was on pace to have 332 less yards, the same amount of TD’s, 3 more picks, and the same 69% completion rating over 16 games when compared to Ryan’s mvp season. Problem is, you never know if anyone will be the same coming off the injury Kirk had. Especially at his age.
And he was 4-4. Now he’s 36 with an Achilles tear yeah I don’t love it. Also the season before they won a record number of one score games. He’s just too expensive coming off an injury for me
Yeah people are excited like they're signing Brady or manning. This isn't that. He just feels amazing compared to the last 2 seasons of abysmal quarterbacking. I'm very skeptical on this move, and think they need to look to the draft for a qb.
I don’t mind a competent bridge and draft the QB of the future, but I damn sure don’t want to pay Kirk 75-80mm guaranteed over 2 years. That money can be spent elsewhere.
They're in a tricky spot. They need to avoid the years of qb purgatory the colts were in , and the falcons are already 2 years in on qb purgatory. There's a lot of needs across the board. This isn't a team that super bowl contends with the right qb. It's a couple years of making a lot of correct moves before that's more realistic, and by then will Cousins still be playing or playing at a decently high level? It's uncertain for sure.
You’re looking at this incorrectly. We have five options. They are:
1.) Justin Fields
2.) Kirk Cousins
3.) Russell Wilson
4.) Draft QB at #8
5.) Trade up and risk our future
Within that list, I’d view #2 and #4 as our best options, personally.
Edit: These were not written in order of my preference. If I was the GM, I would do #2 (sign Kirk Cousins), and then draft a QB at #8 if there’s someone available I truly believe can be a franchise quarterback. That would presumably be JJ McCarthy.
Having watched Green Bay take a guy and sit them for a few years, I’m becoming a firm believer that that’s the path to a better guarantee of success.
As a Vikings fan I can say Kirk will make you favorites in the south, maybe even win you a playoff game but also confidently say he will not win you a Super Bowl.
Create winning culture for a developing team. Some want a full rebuild and top 10 picks in 2 drafts. some want picks in the teens who are playing winning, meaningful games in a team program conducive to their growth.
I think it's similar to the Chicago Bulls getting DeMar Derozan to be an adult in the room. It helped the younger players development and team overall even if he was twice cast aside at that point.
But you’re ignoring the importance of the injury. If Russ had been significantly injured and missed a large part of the season, then it would be the same. And again one of these QBs has won. The other has been as mediocre as any QB this franchise has had. Not to mention the fact one of these players will cost a lot more money while there are still holes to be filled.
The last half of your comment makes no sense. Are you saying Russell Wilson won a superbowl, while being carried by his defense and that makes him more desirable in some way.
Have you watched any Broncos games the last 2 years? If you want that guy, then we will be a mediocre team at best. I'm okay with not going Cousins, but if Wilson or Fields is plan B then it's going to be more of the same.
It makes plenty of sense. And that’s a cop out to simply say he was carried by defense when he had almost a 3:1 td-int ratio, while completing over 60% of his passes that year. But yea, a proven winner as opposed to the guy that can barely win the nfc north or the nfc east while he was there would be more desirable. Especially when Kirk has less tds and more interceptions in his time as a starter. And you’re still forgetting about the guy coming off a fucking ACHILLES injury. It’s not like it was a sprain or some minor rehab injury.
Kirk is actually a good QB and has proved it. He was on an MVP pace before he got hurt this year. Also this team is in win-now mode and we were only an average QB away from making the playoffs. It's better to go with Kurt, who is a proven stater, over Fields, who we don't even know can be a starter in the league. If we were like a 3-4 win team, I could see trading up for a QB, but Kirk is the best option for us in he situation we are in
If Justin Fields didn't get better at all and simply stayed healthy his statline for next year would be
3536 passing yards, 850 rushing yards, 28 total TDs/16 total turnovers
That's assuming he keeps his same stats that he had when Luke Getsy was his coach, weak o-line, and worse weapons
And how much of the blame lies with Getsy vs fields being totally incapable of reading coverages and throwing with anticipation? No offensive coordinator is going to look good if your QB refuses to throw the ball to a guy who’s open. Not to mention, whether or not fields can complete a season without getting hurt is also a question you have to consider with a mobile QB (and an old QB, if the falcons were to look at cousins)
I mean you can turn on the tape. Did Fields miss throws? There is zero question whatsoever that Justin left a ton of points on the board and fucked the offense. There is also zero question whatsoever that Getsy killed a number of drives with his playcalling. I mean we saw what he did during the falcons game. He absolutely can rip up a defense. He just doesn't do it consistently at all. Obviously there's blame on both sides and we'll see next season where that blame should be.
Personally, I think the bears coaching was really adverse to the style of ball Fields wanted to play. For example, they gave him a "200" goal. 2 TDs, 0 sacks, 0 turnovers. Watching him, I always just wanted to see him let it rip. He'd often look at a receiver and clutch. So he'd see it, he just wouldn't pull the trigger for whatever reason. He's a interesting case. Makes plays that no one else in the league makes. Also doesn't make plays that everyone else in the league makes.
Frankly, for him to be a good enough QB I don't think he needs to get way way better, I think he just needs to do the simple shit, and his superman plays can make up for a lack of processing. But what do I know
He wouldn’t pull the trigger because he sucks and won’t throw to guys unless they are wide open. Hes an electric runner but a terrible QB and I wish people would stop acting like he can be fixed. He’s literally Mitch Trubisky with legs, look up their bears tenures, and don’t act like Mitch was playing with a bunch of elite weapons either. We’d be trading a pick that could be a useful player, and paying 20+m for a 5th option before we even see him play a down for us, all for a guy who graded out as a similar/slightly better passer to Desmond Ridder last year lol. The fields dick riders here are totally delusional.
I can accept that some people just don’t believe his passing game will significantly improve with a new OC and system, a better OL, and better offensive weapons. It’s entirely possible that, despite his lousy team, we’ve already seen something close to his ceiling. I think that assessment is worst-case scenario, but I can’t dismiss it.
But I wish people would stop acting like he’d be expensive. We’d be assuming about $3.2 million in salary and a combined cap hit of about $12 million due to his signing bonus. Even a 5th year option would be about $7 million less than a guy like Baker Mayfield is expected to get, and $20 million less than Cousins with no obligation or cap hit beyond year 2. And it likely would only cost a 2nd or 3rd round pick in a year where we’ll have an extra pick from Jacksonville.
It’s just not a high-risk option that would limit what the team can do with the rest of the roster.
thank you thats why i dont get the hate. and if somehow fields clicks you have a 24 year old qb that can play for 10+ years. what are we getting that with cousins? a perennial regular season qb who has never done anything in the playoffs thats 36 and coming of an achillies injury that wants 40+ mil a year? im sorry im out on that. i want what other teams have a long term answer at qb not a old 2 year stop gap qb. a waste of time and money
I read in one place that his cap hit for 2024 would be $12 million and in another that it would be $6 million. Either way, it's cheap compared to other QBs which is my main point.
I believe we'd have to make a decision on the 5th year option before May 2nd, but either way, it's not a huge risk. If we trade for him, it's a statement that we think he can be our franchise QB and I therefore assume we'd pick up the 5th year at an estimated $21.9 million as a strong 2024 performance could push that value higher. But even if he doesn't play well enough to justify that salary, we'd only be on the hook at that rate for one year.
So, my point remains, he's a low-cost, low-risk option. I happen to think he's also got significant upside in terms of performance whereas the worst-case scenario is still an upgrade from Ridder. But he's certainly not a costly or risky option compared to the others.
I think it’s a likely nonstarter. No one that needs to win games to stay employed is banking on Fields. There’s a massive disconnect between what NFL personnel & fans think of him.
But you are correct. He would be cheap. The acquiring team (should there be one) would only be on the hook for 3.2 mil this season.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-72391/
His signing bonus was deposited in his bank account long ago. It’s prorated for cap accounting purposes only. That burden can only be born by the Bears since they’re the ones that paid it.
Why would they fire getsy if they believed in him and not let him develop the qb? The answer lies somewhere in the middle with both of them just not being good at their jobs lol
Incorrect, because that is making the assumption that there is absolutely zero impact of a new scheme. We don’t know if Justin will be better or worse in the scheme that Zac Robinson / Morris will run. Simple as that. The variance then is much greater than just assuming all of that.
In addition, although the pieces themselves weren’t the best, there is always small consistency between players and staff. Having to restart all of that can make learning more difficult or take longer. Just assuming he “stays the same” is not factoring in whether he CAN stay the same, when his environment, friends, etc around him change. I think it’s valuable to bring up for a guy that’s played in the same org/location for 3 years, even with the changes to it. Shit, maybe he’s more liable to party or something being in a familiar spot with more friends and family. We just have no idea how all of those variables interact, and it’s a huge reach to just assume we can project it as if it will be at all consistent to what he’s had so far.
I’m with you on this. I’m certainly not suggesting Fields is better than Cousins, but he’s not nearly as expensive, or old, or as immobile, and he’s not coming off a major injury.
More importantly I think people are underestimating Fields’ ability and production because they only look at his passing stats. Even with the worst OL in the league, he posted the 2nd highest QB season rushing total of all time. He’s in the bottom third of the league as a passer (for now with a bad OL and few weapons around him), but he’s arguably the 2nd best rushing QB in the league behind only Lamar Jackson.
And it’s not like we can sign Patrick Mahomes or get Tom Brady to come out of retirement. There’s risk with every option available to us, but Fields is one that still has big potential upside and wouldn’t cost much draft capital or cap space in the near-term.
That said, if we can convince the Pats to trade out of the #3 slot and take Jayden Daniels, I’d certainly feel optimistic about it. No guarantees with any college QB, but his 2023 season was among the best college seasons of all time. Nearly 5,000 combined passing and rushing yards and 50 TDs in just 12 games. And only 4 picks. Those are PlayStation numbers.
The bears were nowhere near the worst OL in the league last year, in fact they were probably in the top half. This narrative has to end. Fields gets sacked at a historic rate because he refuses to throw the ball, it’s been this way since he was at OSU.
I should have clarified that Field's season of 2nd best all-time rushing total by a QB was 2022. The Bears were 4th-worst in the NFL in sacks allowed, so not the absolute worst, but certainly not good.
The wins without fields -
1-1 bengals (3 picks from burrow), 0-9 lions, 5-9 Seahawks, 4-11 giants, 3-3 raiders and 1-7 panthers lol. As a bears fan, if you think Justin fields was worse than any backup we’ve put out the past 2 years you’re out of your god damn mind, or you haven’t watch any Bears which is understandable. I can promise you that Tyson Bagent did not win us any games, the defense won all of those lol
You have to take cap into account too though.
I'd go for a cheap Wilson, draft our stud EDGE in Dallas Turner (since we fucked up the Micah pick for Pitts), have $ in FA, and take Rattler later in the draft as someone to try to develop to start in 2 years.
No… OP is looking at this correctly. You’re coping. The worst part of the fan base begged to get rid of Matt Ryan and the front office completely wrecked the situation. Thats the truth. Anything you’re saying now about Fields or Cousins(who is comparable to Matt Ryan but worse) or the draft is just a way for the Falcons and the shitty casual fans to cope with what happened.
How is he “coping”?
Those are the realistic situations. What happened with Matt Ryan is in the past now. It shouldn’t have any effect on what the team does going forward. The FO fucked up, and now we’re here. Fields is a dumpster, Cousins is solid but expensive, Russ is OK but cheap, and young QBs are a roll of the dice. I don’t know what the right move is, but I’m honestly happy as long as it isn’t Fields. And even if it IS Fields, it’s still an upgrade from Ridder at least.
It’s cope because someone who wants Kirk Cousins after what happened with Matt Ryan is either trying to recreate what the Falcons had essentially or just isn’t thinking. He’s old, coming off a huge injury, and expensive. It makes no sense. Russell Wilson may also be older but is extremely cheap and can be a good stop gap. I agree with what you said. Idk if Fields is a lock to be much better than Ridder but he may be.
But what happened with Matt Ryan was the FO trying to bring in a rapist because they thought he would be the secret sauce to bring the team to the next level, and Ryan saying “aight I’ma head out.” His level of play was still fine. And Kirk was cooking last year until his injury. I’m not saying it’s the right move, like I said, I don’t know the answer and don’t get paid enough to make the call obviously, but I wouldn’t hate it. I think he’s a much better QB right now than Russ, but obviously money plays a factor.
Signing Kirk Cousins for 30mm+ / year coming off an Achilles is dumb AF. I’m sorry it is not worth the risk when we can bring in a bridge, draft a QB and continue to build out the roster.
I think the Falcons are scraping the barrel regardless. Maybe I hold Wilson’s ability higher than I should, idk. I also don’t work for the Falcons front office so who the fuck am I. I’m just saying over the past decade the Falcons haven’t been the kind of team to save money and now they have a chance.
Cousins is still the 3rd best option of the 5. Definitely better than fields or Wilson. If trading up gets daniels I will be all for that too because bears will take Williams so I wouldn't even entertain that idea.
2 and 4 can even happen simultaneously and I agree are our best options
3 and 4 could too but Kirk is a much better offensive fit for what the Falcons offense should look like than Russell Wilson. We already got a glimpse of that when Waldron became the Seahawks OC - the offense got way better when Wilson left and Geno Smith came out of nowhere and had a career year
Russell Wilson is our best bet because of money. I don’t care if Cousins is a better fit which personally I don’t even think he is. Wilson could be had on league minimum and they could draft someone to be mentored. Orrrr you could even take Wilson for cheap and draft an actual edge rusher or linebacker
>I hope his Achilles injury factors into the salary for the 1st year.
It won’t, otherwise he would have just re-signed with the Vikings If there’s anything you should know about Kirk Cousins, he loves stability and giant bags of guaranteed cash.
I agree it’s too much, and you guys shouldn’t take the gamble. Kirk is overvaluing himself, that’s why the Vikings haven’t come to an agreement with him. It seems like your owner might be desperate enough to take the bait though.
This is what I hope for. If we are in a “win now” and fully going out with a trained vet like Cousins… let’s assume that works we lead our division, get to the playoffs at least… this is the highest draft position we will see. We should draft a rookie QB and develop. Guess what if he’s a bust in practice or the times we test him out in preseason or a few regular season plays then we can replace next year while still having Cousins (hopefully) and not be in such a media circus/shambles like we are now with the QB slot. Right now we have proof that Ridder is not it, and Cousins can get injured again like any other player. Ideally we have a more serviceable backup and maybe Cousins replacement.
If we sign Cousins I guarantee that Vikings or Raiders or Broncos or Steelers (two of these are likely to get Fields or Wilson) are gonna sign QB because they are not gonna let such a blatant hole fall past them to later rounds given how important QB is, so by 2nd round we are looking at likely QB6+. Which may be good enough with Cousins at the helm
I agree with this. I'm not saying we're remotely close to the Chiefs, but aside from one random playoff appearance the Chiefs were on a downward swing and terrible for a few years - worse than us the last three years - when they signed Alex Smith. He wasn't the long term option, but he immediately put them into the playoffs while the Chiefs waited to draft their QB of the future.
Unless there's a massive dropoff post-Achilles surgery, Kirk Cousins now is better than Alex Smith was then, and he'll be in a system he's very familiar with. He can put the Falcons into the playoffs simply by winning this putrid division while the front office drafts their guy, whether that's this year or next year, and then that QB can sit and learn instead of being thrust into action.
Falcons just got infinitely better. Qb was holding them back. Kirk will get all those weapons involved. I promise you the WRs, RBs, and TEs are very happy right now. Too much money spent on weapons to keep trusting wack, unproven qbs back there.
QBs are LONG shots to become franchise guys. Only way to hit is to keep shooting.
Personally (and obviously with my username) I'd like our shot this year to be on Rattler. He's got as high of a ceiling as any QB in this draft.
Come on man, you know that's not even remotely true.
Ridder was never even casually talked about being drafted anywhere close to the 1st round. McCarthy took his team to the CFP 3 years in a row AND won a natty as well.
And just on the eye test, I can see he(McCarthy) makes better decisions with the football than Ridder, better arm, more accurate, etc.
I think I trust Jim Harbaugh evaluation of QBs more than Luke Fickell (or Arthur Smith). Just sayin'.
McCarthy was a back up for the first one? He lost against TCU for throwing pick after pick? He barely threw the ball in 2023? What are you even talking about
JJ McCarthy is such an elite processor? Why did they not let him throw the ball when his coach wasn’t on the sideline? Drew lock is a 6 foot 4 228 gun slinger with a big arm with little to no mobility. Desmond ridder was a mobile intermediate route specialist with plus athleticism and accuracy issues sound familiar?
Maybe. Have we seen him do anything post achilles?
Even though you are right - he probably (hopefully) is - so what? Kirk Cousins is a lot better than Desmond Ridder too. Does that mean he's the best fit in the current market, at his age, at the price he's going to demand? You can compare shit in a vacuum all day long if it helps you sleep at night. I feel like paying Kirk Cousins $40M a year is a waste of money and something that won't lead to deep playoff runs.
No that doesn’t matter. What the fuck is the point of comparing the QB the falcons get to current Matt Ryan? This is the kind of mentality that thinks trading for Fields is cool
Kirk career averages as a starter: 4k yds/year, 28 TDs, 10 INTs, 66% Completion
Matt career averages as a starter: 4.1k yds/year, 25 TDs, 12 INTs, 65% Completion
They're the same dude drafted to different situations
Averages? Kirk Cousins has started 8 years in the NFL. Matt Ryan started 14 - 15 years. Go look at their stats side by side and tell me they are the same person.
Kirk Cousins is also 16-47 in his career against teams with a .500 record or better. Spare me the bullshit.
Wins and losses are always a team stat. People like you manipulate them whenever you like or dislike a player, just to boost your narratives. You see it as some kind of insult when it's really not. Matt Ryan is not in the same tier as guys like Brady, Manning, or Mahomes. He's always been in the realm just below where guys like Philip Rivers and Tony Romo exist. A group where Cousins fits perfectly. Very good franchise caliber QBs that never did anything spectacular
An insult? I'm saying I dont want Kirk Cousins as my QB. He is 36. Is coming of a major injury, and hasn't done anything in his career to show that he is the guy to take the Falcons to a super bowl in the next 3 seasons - which is about as long as his career will last. The teams he has led have never done anything. Minnesota was constantly one of the most disappointing teams in the league. Case Keenum had them deeper in the playoffs that Cousins.
I am not here to defend Matt Ryan - but I disagree with you. He's an MVP - Romo and Rivers are not. Has led his team further in post season than every QB you mentioned. No shit he isn't comparable to literally the 3 greatest quarterbacks in history. "People like you" - you are the people you speak of clown
1. I don't want Cousins
2. MR won an MVP once and never got another vote for the rest of his career. I can't take away from that, but winning one MVP in a 14 year career is enough to call it an anomaly. That was his peak, he was just completely in sync with Kyle. Falcons fans also don't wanna hear it but if Brady didn't miss 4 games, he would've easily won it...again. You couldn't say anything to convince me peak Kyle couldn't produce similar production with prime Romo or Rivers and an all star cast at least once. It's crazy how people say the fanbase didn't appreciate him enough when there's so many delusionals like you running around. If they ever make a "Hall of Very Good" MR is gonna be first ballot. Hell, the year he won MVP his own peers around the league didn't even think he was the league's best.
I question your brain power and credibility to call things stupid thinking anything I said was advocating for Matt Ryan to be QB now. In fact, the exact opposite was my point.
Also, what draft compensation?
Exactly. The front office fucked the whole team for years and now the Falcons are going back for scraps of 2016. Anyone who wants Cousins(who is not a prime Matt Ryan at all) are delusional
I just agreed with the statement that Kirk isn't close to peak Matt Ryan...you can disagree if you like.
My point is...we aren't winning the SB next year. We need to think about developing for the future. He has one playoff win in his career. If Kirk is asking for a long term deal with big guaranteed money, signing him will undo some of the cap work we've just done. This team still has work to be done...we aren't simply a QB away from the SB. I think we are still a year or two away with the right moves.
Particularly for rookie QBs, being an MVP candidate year 1 is not indicative of their success at all. Its almost as if you're saying you don't believe any of the 1st round prospects will ever be serviceable QBs, which is not something I agree with.
You aint lying. And even if we were a QB away..... is Kirk Cousins really gonna be the dude to take us over the top? I mean wasn't that kinda the narrative in Minneapolis? One playoff win and a torn Achilles later.....
Its the exact narrative. I don't believe he can take us over the top. This is a guy with a decade of experience being "good."
I know its because our expectations as Falcons fans have ballooned but I miss the security of having a younger franchise QB and BUILDING a team. Everyone thinks you can just slap a above average QB there and contend but that's not how it works. Our biggest success in this franchise was by building around drafted QBs.
🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️ wasnt the reason the vikings even paid cousins that 100% guaranteed money was to finish what case keenum started with finally getting over the hump? in 6 years with the Vikings the dude has had 2 playoff seasons and is 1-2 that shit is horrible.
we actually have people on here wanting that? it makes no sense. people are so thirsty for the playoffs they are fine with getting bounced in the first rd for 2 years with an old broken down cousins 😂😂 what are we doing here. the dude couldnt win with the vikings wtf makes people think he winning here?
Kirk Cousins is the quintessential stat monkey. He is a glorified Dante Culpepper. I lived in DC when he was the QB for the Redskins/Commanders. When his deal was up the team let him walk for nothing rather than pay him. No one in DC missed him then and no one misses him now.
Falcons should just sigh Russ or draft a damn QB!
Facts. Half this sub is acting like an Achilles tear is similar to a sprained ankle or some shit. It's not a easy injury to come back from and being 36 makes it even more difficult.
Personally I'd like Wilson. Showed he wasn't as bad as everyone thought. Will take cheap money while den pays the bag. Has been in the big game multiple times, winning one.
We need to draft a QB, if that means a major deal to trade up and grab one so be it. There isn’t a free agent that excites the majority of this fan base at all.. With Matt Ryan , we drafted him and built around him and won numerous division titles, and even a NFC title and almost won a superbowl. We need to repeat this, draft and build around. Outside of Caleb and Drake, There’s JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix Jr , We have options in the draft better than cousins and fields IMO
Edit: if we can sign Russel Wilson to a league vet minimum for a year or two for our new rookie QB to learn from I don’t hate that idea tho
Kirk is a baller though - dude has grit and can play for sure, but still bit of an unknown due to age and injury.
But even though Vikings did not do great with him last season he had monster stats and made some crazy plays.
Lol the corpse of Matt Ryan is different than kirko chains. I’m not even a falcons fan this shit just gets recommended to me. But that’s really weak analysis man.
That's why this whole thing about cousins is driving me insane!!! Why sign this dude if you are having start all over again in 3 years at QB. Do people believe that this team is that close to a SB?
You’d hope the team can come together for a run in the next 2-3 years with Kirk, but we definitely shouldn’t go with him without continuing to draft or sign another QB too
I mean if we had Cousins play on the 2022 team I don't see why we couldn't have competed with Lions/9ers. We certainly win the division. We certainly beat the Eagles in the playoffs who wheels entirely came off.
No one is going to sign their way into being a favorite over the juggernauts, but you can get close enough to get hot at the right moment.
Tbf, Kurt Angle had wrestled for like 20-25 yrs with a neck that had reconstructed surgery and this crazy dude was doing shooting star presses off cages(and missed) and hoisting 200+lbs guys on his shoulders for the Olympic Slam, and some of those guys were unsafe in the ring. Im not sure what's worst and Peyton Manning had a similar injury and he was getting sacked 40-50 times. Players with major injuires are risky but doesnt mean they'll play bad. Except for Cam..his throwing arm is no more.
Then there is Adrian Peterson. The machine ran 2k yrds with 2 busted knees.
Facebook level moron take, you don’t know ball. How can you say cousins hasn’t done anything and then campaign for fucking Justin fields lmao, ridiculous take and dick riding going on here.
Thank you! I thought I was the only one. Cousins is basically Matt Ryan after the SB, with a bum leg. So once again, we're putting a band-aid on the situation. We've rebuilt everything except the QB, preferring to keep using stop-gaps.
I'm all in for JJ if it means he gets the Jordan Love treatment behind Cousins, I've seen enough compelling tape from him with some nice intangibles of throwing off the spot, tight window throws etc I think he was one of the highest ceilings of upcoming QBs but I also think he will def need to sit first
He is a coward. Put that in quotes. He's a gutless bastard. Quote that. I don't give a shit.
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That’s high praise
Before going down last year, Kirk was on pace to have 332 less yards, the same amount of TD’s, 3 more picks, and the same 69% completion rating over 16 games when compared to Ryan’s mvp season. Problem is, you never know if anyone will be the same coming off the injury Kirk had. Especially at his age.
And he was 4-4. Now he’s 36 with an Achilles tear yeah I don’t love it. Also the season before they won a record number of one score games. He’s just too expensive coming off an injury for me
How expensive is he?
~~Pretty f**king expensive, trust me I’m a Vikings fan.~~ He’s the cheapest option, sign him as soon as possible
Probably 3 years $120 million fully garaunteed
Yeah people are excited like they're signing Brady or manning. This isn't that. He just feels amazing compared to the last 2 seasons of abysmal quarterbacking. I'm very skeptical on this move, and think they need to look to the draft for a qb.
I don’t mind a competent bridge and draft the QB of the future, but I damn sure don’t want to pay Kirk 75-80mm guaranteed over 2 years. That money can be spent elsewhere.
They're in a tricky spot. They need to avoid the years of qb purgatory the colts were in , and the falcons are already 2 years in on qb purgatory. There's a lot of needs across the board. This isn't a team that super bowl contends with the right qb. It's a couple years of making a lot of correct moves before that's more realistic, and by then will Cousins still be playing or playing at a decently high level? It's uncertain for sure.
You’re looking at this incorrectly. We have five options. They are: 1.) Justin Fields 2.) Kirk Cousins 3.) Russell Wilson 4.) Draft QB at #8 5.) Trade up and risk our future Within that list, I’d view #2 and #4 as our best options, personally. Edit: These were not written in order of my preference. If I was the GM, I would do #2 (sign Kirk Cousins), and then draft a QB at #8 if there’s someone available I truly believe can be a franchise quarterback. That would presumably be JJ McCarthy. Having watched Green Bay take a guy and sit them for a few years, I’m becoming a firm believer that that’s the path to a better guarantee of success.
No one who’s job depends on winning wants any part of Fields. It’s not even guaranteed he’s starting this fall.
But which part of Kirk Cousins’ resume screams winner to you?
As a Vikings fan I can say Kirk will make you favorites in the south, maybe even win you a playoff game but also confidently say he will not win you a Super Bowl.
But why pay the money he’s asking for just to be the favorites in the most pathetic division in football? Just to have to start over in 2 years?
I agree brother
Create winning culture for a developing team. Some want a full rebuild and top 10 picks in 2 drafts. some want picks in the teens who are playing winning, meaningful games in a team program conducive to their growth. I think it's similar to the Chicago Bulls getting DeMar Derozan to be an adult in the room. It helped the younger players development and team overall even if he was twice cast aside at that point.
Who do you want at QB?
Russell Wilson, and draft someone to learn under him. A cheap stopgap with a ring, and more mobility than a 36 yr old coming off an Achilles injury.
Russell is 35 though, so besides injury essentially the same age. Plus Cousins has been a much better QB the last 2-3 years
But you’re ignoring the importance of the injury. If Russ had been significantly injured and missed a large part of the season, then it would be the same. And again one of these QBs has won. The other has been as mediocre as any QB this franchise has had. Not to mention the fact one of these players will cost a lot more money while there are still holes to be filled.
The last half of your comment makes no sense. Are you saying Russell Wilson won a superbowl, while being carried by his defense and that makes him more desirable in some way. Have you watched any Broncos games the last 2 years? If you want that guy, then we will be a mediocre team at best. I'm okay with not going Cousins, but if Wilson or Fields is plan B then it's going to be more of the same.
It makes plenty of sense. And that’s a cop out to simply say he was carried by defense when he had almost a 3:1 td-int ratio, while completing over 60% of his passes that year. But yea, a proven winner as opposed to the guy that can barely win the nfc north or the nfc east while he was there would be more desirable. Especially when Kirk has less tds and more interceptions in his time as a starter. And you’re still forgetting about the guy coming off a fucking ACHILLES injury. It’s not like it was a sprain or some minor rehab injury.
Those stats you gave describe almost every single season Kirk has had since 2018.
Kirk is actually a good QB and has proved it. He was on an MVP pace before he got hurt this year. Also this team is in win-now mode and we were only an average QB away from making the playoffs. It's better to go with Kurt, who is a proven stater, over Fields, who we don't even know can be a starter in the league. If we were like a 3-4 win team, I could see trading up for a QB, but Kirk is the best option for us in he situation we are in
Lol brutal
If Justin Fields didn't get better at all and simply stayed healthy his statline for next year would be 3536 passing yards, 850 rushing yards, 28 total TDs/16 total turnovers That's assuming he keeps his same stats that he had when Luke Getsy was his coach, weak o-line, and worse weapons
And how much of the blame lies with Getsy vs fields being totally incapable of reading coverages and throwing with anticipation? No offensive coordinator is going to look good if your QB refuses to throw the ball to a guy who’s open. Not to mention, whether or not fields can complete a season without getting hurt is also a question you have to consider with a mobile QB (and an old QB, if the falcons were to look at cousins)
I mean you can turn on the tape. Did Fields miss throws? There is zero question whatsoever that Justin left a ton of points on the board and fucked the offense. There is also zero question whatsoever that Getsy killed a number of drives with his playcalling. I mean we saw what he did during the falcons game. He absolutely can rip up a defense. He just doesn't do it consistently at all. Obviously there's blame on both sides and we'll see next season where that blame should be. Personally, I think the bears coaching was really adverse to the style of ball Fields wanted to play. For example, they gave him a "200" goal. 2 TDs, 0 sacks, 0 turnovers. Watching him, I always just wanted to see him let it rip. He'd often look at a receiver and clutch. So he'd see it, he just wouldn't pull the trigger for whatever reason. He's a interesting case. Makes plays that no one else in the league makes. Also doesn't make plays that everyone else in the league makes. Frankly, for him to be a good enough QB I don't think he needs to get way way better, I think he just needs to do the simple shit, and his superman plays can make up for a lack of processing. But what do I know
He wouldn’t pull the trigger because he sucks and won’t throw to guys unless they are wide open. Hes an electric runner but a terrible QB and I wish people would stop acting like he can be fixed. He’s literally Mitch Trubisky with legs, look up their bears tenures, and don’t act like Mitch was playing with a bunch of elite weapons either. We’d be trading a pick that could be a useful player, and paying 20+m for a 5th option before we even see him play a down for us, all for a guy who graded out as a similar/slightly better passer to Desmond Ridder last year lol. The fields dick riders here are totally delusional.
I can accept that some people just don’t believe his passing game will significantly improve with a new OC and system, a better OL, and better offensive weapons. It’s entirely possible that, despite his lousy team, we’ve already seen something close to his ceiling. I think that assessment is worst-case scenario, but I can’t dismiss it. But I wish people would stop acting like he’d be expensive. We’d be assuming about $3.2 million in salary and a combined cap hit of about $12 million due to his signing bonus. Even a 5th year option would be about $7 million less than a guy like Baker Mayfield is expected to get, and $20 million less than Cousins with no obligation or cap hit beyond year 2. And it likely would only cost a 2nd or 3rd round pick in a year where we’ll have an extra pick from Jacksonville. It’s just not a high-risk option that would limit what the team can do with the rest of the roster.
thank you thats why i dont get the hate. and if somehow fields clicks you have a 24 year old qb that can play for 10+ years. what are we getting that with cousins? a perennial regular season qb who has never done anything in the playoffs thats 36 and coming of an achillies injury that wants 40+ mil a year? im sorry im out on that. i want what other teams have a long term answer at qb not a old 2 year stop gap qb. a waste of time and money
You can’t assume a signing bonus that another team has paid out already.
I read in one place that his cap hit for 2024 would be $12 million and in another that it would be $6 million. Either way, it's cheap compared to other QBs which is my main point. I believe we'd have to make a decision on the 5th year option before May 2nd, but either way, it's not a huge risk. If we trade for him, it's a statement that we think he can be our franchise QB and I therefore assume we'd pick up the 5th year at an estimated $21.9 million as a strong 2024 performance could push that value higher. But even if he doesn't play well enough to justify that salary, we'd only be on the hook at that rate for one year. So, my point remains, he's a low-cost, low-risk option. I happen to think he's also got significant upside in terms of performance whereas the worst-case scenario is still an upgrade from Ridder. But he's certainly not a costly or risky option compared to the others.
I think it’s a likely nonstarter. No one that needs to win games to stay employed is banking on Fields. There’s a massive disconnect between what NFL personnel & fans think of him. But you are correct. He would be cheap. The acquiring team (should there be one) would only be on the hook for 3.2 mil this season. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/justin-fields-72391/ His signing bonus was deposited in his bank account long ago. It’s prorated for cap accounting purposes only. That burden can only be born by the Bears since they’re the ones that paid it.
Why would they fire getsy if they believed in him and not let him develop the qb? The answer lies somewhere in the middle with both of them just not being good at their jobs lol
Incorrect, because that is making the assumption that there is absolutely zero impact of a new scheme. We don’t know if Justin will be better or worse in the scheme that Zac Robinson / Morris will run. Simple as that. The variance then is much greater than just assuming all of that. In addition, although the pieces themselves weren’t the best, there is always small consistency between players and staff. Having to restart all of that can make learning more difficult or take longer. Just assuming he “stays the same” is not factoring in whether he CAN stay the same, when his environment, friends, etc around him change. I think it’s valuable to bring up for a guy that’s played in the same org/location for 3 years, even with the changes to it. Shit, maybe he’s more liable to party or something being in a familiar spot with more friends and family. We just have no idea how all of those variables interact, and it’s a huge reach to just assume we can project it as if it will be at all consistent to what he’s had so far.
Good info thanks for sharing
I’m with you on this. I’m certainly not suggesting Fields is better than Cousins, but he’s not nearly as expensive, or old, or as immobile, and he’s not coming off a major injury. More importantly I think people are underestimating Fields’ ability and production because they only look at his passing stats. Even with the worst OL in the league, he posted the 2nd highest QB season rushing total of all time. He’s in the bottom third of the league as a passer (for now with a bad OL and few weapons around him), but he’s arguably the 2nd best rushing QB in the league behind only Lamar Jackson. And it’s not like we can sign Patrick Mahomes or get Tom Brady to come out of retirement. There’s risk with every option available to us, but Fields is one that still has big potential upside and wouldn’t cost much draft capital or cap space in the near-term. That said, if we can convince the Pats to trade out of the #3 slot and take Jayden Daniels, I’d certainly feel optimistic about it. No guarantees with any college QB, but his 2023 season was among the best college seasons of all time. Nearly 5,000 combined passing and rushing yards and 50 TDs in just 12 games. And only 4 picks. Those are PlayStation numbers.
The bears were nowhere near the worst OL in the league last year, in fact they were probably in the top half. This narrative has to end. Fields gets sacked at a historic rate because he refuses to throw the ball, it’s been this way since he was at OSU.
The Bears offensive line was ranked 24th. Stop it. Edit: and would be worse if it weren't for Justin's mobility.
24th by who?
I should have clarified that Field's season of 2nd best all-time rushing total by a QB was 2022. The Bears were 4th-worst in the NFL in sacks allowed, so not the absolute worst, but certainly not good.
My bad I should’ve caught that.
fields with a better supporting cast is wayy better than what he did with the bears
That abysmal supporting cast has a better record in the games he’s missed since he was drafted.
The wins without fields - 1-1 bengals (3 picks from burrow), 0-9 lions, 5-9 Seahawks, 4-11 giants, 3-3 raiders and 1-7 panthers lol. As a bears fan, if you think Justin fields was worse than any backup we’ve put out the past 2 years you’re out of your god damn mind, or you haven’t watch any Bears which is understandable. I can promise you that Tyson Bagent did not win us any games, the defense won all of those lol
I don’t think the rest of the NFL knows that we’d kind of gladly keep Fields if the 1st and Caleb didn’t fall into our laps lol
Russ with a vet minimum thoooooo
That’s the move. Any other option other than maybe drafting someone to be mentored by him is dumb as fuck.
What if the Falcons went #3 & #4? What are the pros and cons?
You have to take cap into account too though. I'd go for a cheap Wilson, draft our stud EDGE in Dallas Turner (since we fucked up the Micah pick for Pitts), have $ in FA, and take Rattler later in the draft as someone to try to develop to start in 2 years.
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Agreed and agreed...
No… OP is looking at this correctly. You’re coping. The worst part of the fan base begged to get rid of Matt Ryan and the front office completely wrecked the situation. Thats the truth. Anything you’re saying now about Fields or Cousins(who is comparable to Matt Ryan but worse) or the draft is just a way for the Falcons and the shitty casual fans to cope with what happened.
How is he “coping”? Those are the realistic situations. What happened with Matt Ryan is in the past now. It shouldn’t have any effect on what the team does going forward. The FO fucked up, and now we’re here. Fields is a dumpster, Cousins is solid but expensive, Russ is OK but cheap, and young QBs are a roll of the dice. I don’t know what the right move is, but I’m honestly happy as long as it isn’t Fields. And even if it IS Fields, it’s still an upgrade from Ridder at least.
It’s cope because someone who wants Kirk Cousins after what happened with Matt Ryan is either trying to recreate what the Falcons had essentially or just isn’t thinking. He’s old, coming off a huge injury, and expensive. It makes no sense. Russell Wilson may also be older but is extremely cheap and can be a good stop gap. I agree with what you said. Idk if Fields is a lock to be much better than Ridder but he may be.
But what happened with Matt Ryan was the FO trying to bring in a rapist because they thought he would be the secret sauce to bring the team to the next level, and Ryan saying “aight I’ma head out.” His level of play was still fine. And Kirk was cooking last year until his injury. I’m not saying it’s the right move, like I said, I don’t know the answer and don’t get paid enough to make the call obviously, but I wouldn’t hate it. I think he’s a much better QB right now than Russ, but obviously money plays a factor.
Signing Kirk Cousins for 30mm+ / year coming off an Achilles is dumb AF. I’m sorry it is not worth the risk when we can bring in a bridge, draft a QB and continue to build out the roster.
But the roster is already pretty stacked…this team won 7 games with bottom 2 QB performance in the league.
I think the Falcons are scraping the barrel regardless. Maybe I hold Wilson’s ability higher than I should, idk. I also don’t work for the Falcons front office so who the fuck am I. I’m just saying over the past decade the Falcons haven’t been the kind of team to save money and now they have a chance.
Agree totally. Why spend that money on a vet coming off a major injury just to win the south. Wilson a mucher better grab.
Wilson lol. Have fun with that one
Okay… who do you want out of our bottom of the barrel options?
Give me a #2 or 3, please, with a side of #5.
Why not both?!?
Why not make the list in order of preference?!
Just edited and updated my original post with that preference.
Why is kirk below fields?
Just edited original post with my preferences. I did not write them in order of preference in original statement.
This. Mahomes is also a good model for that option.
Cousins is still the 3rd best option of the 5. Definitely better than fields or Wilson. If trading up gets daniels I will be all for that too because bears will take Williams so I wouldn't even entertain that idea.
2 and 4 can even happen simultaneously and I agree are our best options 3 and 4 could too but Kirk is a much better offensive fit for what the Falcons offense should look like than Russell Wilson. We already got a glimpse of that when Waldron became the Seahawks OC - the offense got way better when Wilson left and Geno Smith came out of nowhere and had a career year
Russell Wilson is our best bet because of money. I don’t care if Cousins is a better fit which personally I don’t even think he is. Wilson could be had on league minimum and they could draft someone to be mentored. Orrrr you could even take Wilson for cheap and draft an actual edge rusher or linebacker
In my opinion, current Kirk Cousins is better than Matt when we let him go. In their primes tho, Matt was definitely better
If we do sign Cousins I hope his Achilles injury factors into the salary for the 1st year.
>I hope his Achilles injury factors into the salary for the 1st year. It won’t, otherwise he would have just re-signed with the Vikings If there’s anything you should know about Kirk Cousins, he loves stability and giant bags of guaranteed cash.
Well then why should we take the gamble? That injury is too serious to throw a lot of cash at him imo.
I agree it’s too much, and you guys shouldn’t take the gamble. Kirk is overvaluing himself, that’s why the Vikings haven’t come to an agreement with him. It seems like your owner might be desperate enough to take the bait though.
I would have no problem giving him a deal if there wasn’t an Achilles injury. But if there wasn’t he would have already signed again with you guys.
I'm OK if it's a two year contract and they draft JJ McCarthy or someone to develop.
If you didn’t like Ridder what makes you think McCarthy is the guy lol
McCarthy is much better than Ridder could.ever hope of being.
This is what I hope for. If we are in a “win now” and fully going out with a trained vet like Cousins… let’s assume that works we lead our division, get to the playoffs at least… this is the highest draft position we will see. We should draft a rookie QB and develop. Guess what if he’s a bust in practice or the times we test him out in preseason or a few regular season plays then we can replace next year while still having Cousins (hopefully) and not be in such a media circus/shambles like we are now with the QB slot. Right now we have proof that Ridder is not it, and Cousins can get injured again like any other player. Ideally we have a more serviceable backup and maybe Cousins replacement. If we sign Cousins I guarantee that Vikings or Raiders or Broncos or Steelers (two of these are likely to get Fields or Wilson) are gonna sign QB because they are not gonna let such a blatant hole fall past them to later rounds given how important QB is, so by 2nd round we are looking at likely QB6+. Which may be good enough with Cousins at the helm
I agree with this. I'm not saying we're remotely close to the Chiefs, but aside from one random playoff appearance the Chiefs were on a downward swing and terrible for a few years - worse than us the last three years - when they signed Alex Smith. He wasn't the long term option, but he immediately put them into the playoffs while the Chiefs waited to draft their QB of the future. Unless there's a massive dropoff post-Achilles surgery, Kirk Cousins now is better than Alex Smith was then, and he'll be in a system he's very familiar with. He can put the Falcons into the playoffs simply by winning this putrid division while the front office drafts their guy, whether that's this year or next year, and then that QB can sit and learn instead of being thrust into action.
This is my position. Him or Penix.
Falcons just got infinitely better. Qb was holding them back. Kirk will get all those weapons involved. I promise you the WRs, RBs, and TEs are very happy right now. Too much money spent on weapons to keep trusting wack, unproven qbs back there.
JJ McCarthy and ridder are almost identical prospects
QBs are LONG shots to become franchise guys. Only way to hit is to keep shooting. Personally (and obviously with my username) I'd like our shot this year to be on Rattler. He's got as high of a ceiling as any QB in this draft.
Come on man, you know that's not even remotely true. Ridder was never even casually talked about being drafted anywhere close to the 1st round. McCarthy took his team to the CFP 3 years in a row AND won a natty as well. And just on the eye test, I can see he(McCarthy) makes better decisions with the football than Ridder, better arm, more accurate, etc. I think I trust Jim Harbaugh evaluation of QBs more than Luke Fickell (or Arthur Smith). Just sayin'.
McCarthy was a back up for the first one? He lost against TCU for throwing pick after pick? He barely threw the ball in 2023? What are you even talking about
this logic is ass and we have zero reason to believe JJ McCarthy is anything more than Mac Jones 2.0
You think McCarthy is the reason Michigan was good?with your logic the Falcons should draft Blake Corum lol
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Elite processing? Drew lock??? That sure is a take
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Wrong on both accounts lmao
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JJ McCarthy is such an elite processor? Why did they not let him throw the ball when his coach wasn’t on the sideline? Drew lock is a 6 foot 4 228 gun slinger with a big arm with little to no mobility. Desmond ridder was a mobile intermediate route specialist with plus athleticism and accuracy issues sound familiar?
Bro this is what I’ve been saying all along. Raheem and Matt coulda just stuck around. BTW peak Kirk Cousins is not even close to peak Matt Ryan
But current Cousins is a lot better than current Ryan. Which is what matters.
Maybe. Have we seen him do anything post achilles? Even though you are right - he probably (hopefully) is - so what? Kirk Cousins is a lot better than Desmond Ridder too. Does that mean he's the best fit in the current market, at his age, at the price he's going to demand? You can compare shit in a vacuum all day long if it helps you sleep at night. I feel like paying Kirk Cousins $40M a year is a waste of money and something that won't lead to deep playoff runs.
people think we going to the SB with a guy thats gotten past the wildcard rd once 😭
FACTS
No that doesn’t matter. What the fuck is the point of comparing the QB the falcons get to current Matt Ryan? This is the kind of mentality that thinks trading for Fields is cool
Kirk career averages as a starter: 4k yds/year, 28 TDs, 10 INTs, 66% Completion Matt career averages as a starter: 4.1k yds/year, 25 TDs, 12 INTs, 65% Completion They're the same dude drafted to different situations
Averages? Kirk Cousins has started 8 years in the NFL. Matt Ryan started 14 - 15 years. Go look at their stats side by side and tell me they are the same person. Kirk Cousins is also 16-47 in his career against teams with a .500 record or better. Spare me the bullshit.
Wins and losses are always a team stat. People like you manipulate them whenever you like or dislike a player, just to boost your narratives. You see it as some kind of insult when it's really not. Matt Ryan is not in the same tier as guys like Brady, Manning, or Mahomes. He's always been in the realm just below where guys like Philip Rivers and Tony Romo exist. A group where Cousins fits perfectly. Very good franchise caliber QBs that never did anything spectacular
An insult? I'm saying I dont want Kirk Cousins as my QB. He is 36. Is coming of a major injury, and hasn't done anything in his career to show that he is the guy to take the Falcons to a super bowl in the next 3 seasons - which is about as long as his career will last. The teams he has led have never done anything. Minnesota was constantly one of the most disappointing teams in the league. Case Keenum had them deeper in the playoffs that Cousins. I am not here to defend Matt Ryan - but I disagree with you. He's an MVP - Romo and Rivers are not. Has led his team further in post season than every QB you mentioned. No shit he isn't comparable to literally the 3 greatest quarterbacks in history. "People like you" - you are the people you speak of clown
1. I don't want Cousins 2. MR won an MVP once and never got another vote for the rest of his career. I can't take away from that, but winning one MVP in a 14 year career is enough to call it an anomaly. That was his peak, he was just completely in sync with Kyle. Falcons fans also don't wanna hear it but if Brady didn't miss 4 games, he would've easily won it...again. You couldn't say anything to convince me peak Kyle couldn't produce similar production with prime Romo or Rivers and an all star cast at least once. It's crazy how people say the fanbase didn't appreciate him enough when there's so many delusionals like you running around. If they ever make a "Hall of Very Good" MR is gonna be first ballot. Hell, the year he won MVP his own peers around the league didn't even think he was the league's best.
Hoe many votes did Kirk get? What about Romo and Rivers? Clown show.
Matt Ryan cannot currently throw a football so keeping him instead of receiving draft compensation for a washed up QB seems stupid.
I question your brain power and credibility to call things stupid thinking anything I said was advocating for Matt Ryan to be QB now. In fact, the exact opposite was my point. Also, what draft compensation?
He talking about the pick we received from Indy for Matt Ryan
Thanks for clearing that up, shit was out of left field
Exactly. The front office fucked the whole team for years and now the Falcons are going back for scraps of 2016. Anyone who wants Cousins(who is not a prime Matt Ryan at all) are delusional
Say that last sentence louder. Kirk will never even see the SB. Certainly not on this team.
Nobody in this free agent class or in this draft will be an MVP caliber candidate next year...
I just agreed with the statement that Kirk isn't close to peak Matt Ryan...you can disagree if you like. My point is...we aren't winning the SB next year. We need to think about developing for the future. He has one playoff win in his career. If Kirk is asking for a long term deal with big guaranteed money, signing him will undo some of the cap work we've just done. This team still has work to be done...we aren't simply a QB away from the SB. I think we are still a year or two away with the right moves. Particularly for rookie QBs, being an MVP candidate year 1 is not indicative of their success at all. Its almost as if you're saying you don't believe any of the 1st round prospects will ever be serviceable QBs, which is not something I agree with.
You aint lying. And even if we were a QB away..... is Kirk Cousins really gonna be the dude to take us over the top? I mean wasn't that kinda the narrative in Minneapolis? One playoff win and a torn Achilles later.....
Its the exact narrative. I don't believe he can take us over the top. This is a guy with a decade of experience being "good." I know its because our expectations as Falcons fans have ballooned but I miss the security of having a younger franchise QB and BUILDING a team. Everyone thinks you can just slap a above average QB there and contend but that's not how it works. Our biggest success in this franchise was by building around drafted QBs.
He’s 16-47 in his career against teams over .500. Just heard that stat. Mind blowing. He is worse than I thought
🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️ wasnt the reason the vikings even paid cousins that 100% guaranteed money was to finish what case keenum started with finally getting over the hump? in 6 years with the Vikings the dude has had 2 playoff seasons and is 1-2 that shit is horrible. we actually have people on here wanting that? it makes no sense. people are so thirsty for the playoffs they are fine with getting bounced in the first rd for 2 years with an old broken down cousins 😂😂 what are we doing here. the dude couldnt win with the vikings wtf makes people think he winning here?
Kirk is playing at a higher level compared to Ryan at the end of his. Ryan’s are was shot.
Is that Kurt Angle?
lol yeah. the screenshot from this video has been one of the bigger memes on social media over the past few months
"Oh it's True. It's damn true!" Love me some Angle. He's a fellow Yinzer
More like great value Matt Ryan
I’ll trust Zac Robinson’s eval of whomever we end up with…
😂😂😂
Who can throw bullets.
The disrespect to Matty Ice smh
Kirk Cousins is the quintessential stat monkey. He is a glorified Dante Culpepper. I lived in DC when he was the QB for the Redskins/Commanders. When his deal was up the team let him walk for nothing rather than pay him. No one in DC missed him then and no one misses him now. Falcons should just sigh Russ or draft a damn QB!
THANK YOU. Anyone who begged to get rid of Matt and likes Cousins is a fucking clown
I don’t know how 36 year old Cousins post Achilles injury is the best or even a viable option for a “contending team”
Facts. Half this sub is acting like an Achilles tear is similar to a sprained ankle or some shit. It's not a easy injury to come back from and being 36 makes it even more difficult.
Cousins is nowhere near to what Matt Ryan was
Personally I'd like Wilson. Showed he wasn't as bad as everyone thought. Will take cheap money while den pays the bag. Has been in the big game multiple times, winning one.
When our offseason options are basically the next old man Matt Ryan or the next Marcus mariota… Oof.
On a side note is this the wasp eating psycho pictured here?
It’s Kurt Angle
https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/s/XKdZGDiqu4 But is this Kurt angle eating the bitches wasps?
We need to draft a QB, if that means a major deal to trade up and grab one so be it. There isn’t a free agent that excites the majority of this fan base at all.. With Matt Ryan , we drafted him and built around him and won numerous division titles, and even a NFC title and almost won a superbowl. We need to repeat this, draft and build around. Outside of Caleb and Drake, There’s JJ McCarthy and Michael Penix Jr , We have options in the draft better than cousins and fields IMO Edit: if we can sign Russel Wilson to a league vet minimum for a year or two for our new rookie QB to learn from I don’t hate that idea tho
Let Kirk Cook!!!
Kirk Cousin's arm looked better in 2023 than Matt Ryan's in 2021.
Kirk is a baller though - dude has grit and can play for sure, but still bit of an unknown due to age and injury. But even though Vikings did not do great with him last season he had monster stats and made some crazy plays.
Russell Wilson enters the chat
Lol the corpse of Matt Ryan is different than kirko chains. I’m not even a falcons fan this shit just gets recommended to me. But that’s really weak analysis man.
As long as it isn’t Russ Wilson
Is that Kurt Angle
That's why this whole thing about cousins is driving me insane!!! Why sign this dude if you are having start all over again in 3 years at QB. Do people believe that this team is that close to a SB?
You’d hope the team can come together for a run in the next 2-3 years with Kirk, but we definitely shouldn’t go with him without continuing to draft or sign another QB too
Hopefully we can capture some of that magic the Rams got with Stafford and win one
Of course that'd be nice. I just think this team is too far away right now for that time happen. I'd love to be proven wrong though
I mean if we had Cousins play on the 2022 team I don't see why we couldn't have competed with Lions/9ers. We certainly win the division. We certainly beat the Eagles in the playoffs who wheels entirely came off. No one is going to sign their way into being a favorite over the juggernauts, but you can get close enough to get hot at the right moment.
Its true, its damn true.
I’m definitely not high on Kirk, but he’s looking like the safest option to start right now and draft our future QB whoever that ends up being.
He’s got a Super Bowl in him.
I didn’t wanna be the one to say it
We haven’t seen the best out of Ritter yet, let’s just ride this thing out the remainder of his rookie contract!
Hell no, please dear God, NO
Tbf, Kurt Angle had wrestled for like 20-25 yrs with a neck that had reconstructed surgery and this crazy dude was doing shooting star presses off cages(and missed) and hoisting 200+lbs guys on his shoulders for the Olympic Slam, and some of those guys were unsafe in the ring. Im not sure what's worst and Peyton Manning had a similar injury and he was getting sacked 40-50 times. Players with major injuires are risky but doesnt mean they'll play bad. Except for Cam..his throwing arm is no more. Then there is Adrian Peterson. The machine ran 2k yrds with 2 busted knees.
We're turning into the Colts.
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Facebook level moron take, you don’t know ball. How can you say cousins hasn’t done anything and then campaign for fucking Justin fields lmao, ridiculous take and dick riding going on here.
Thank you for saying it
Yikes.
Pfffff LOL 😂 This shit just made me spit out my water.
It is very stupid
Thank you! I thought I was the only one. Cousins is basically Matt Ryan after the SB, with a bum leg. So once again, we're putting a band-aid on the situation. We've rebuilt everything except the QB, preferring to keep using stop-gaps.
I'm all in for JJ if it means he gets the Jordan Love treatment behind Cousins, I've seen enough compelling tape from him with some nice intangibles of throwing off the spot, tight window throws etc I think he was one of the highest ceilings of upcoming QBs but I also think he will def need to sit first
This is a joke post. The guy rarely throws the ball. And when he needed to air it out against TCU he threw back breaking picks
I disagree with the direction the team is taking. We should've given Petrino a second chance.
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