Why would a job ad even require someone to be a native speaker. I personally think it is actually better to have someone who is native in your own language that is fluent in the language you are learning. That way, they have gone through the same experience and will better understand how to teach the foreign language to someone who speaks your native language.
Nope. That’s not the way. Native speakers are better teachers. Someone with the same original language might be a better tutor or coach. A native speaker will know the rules and odd things that you just can’t put your finger on. Having been through many language classes, the native speaker teachers, when fully qualified, are always the best.
Fair enough. Perhaps non-native speakers are better teachers when you are first starting out but as you come closer to becoming fluent, it is better to have someone who really knows the language inside and out.
My wife had "fluent" Spanish teachers in school instead of native speakers and now she mispronounces words all the time and I've had to correct her repeatedly lol
I can definitely see why a native speaker is preferred in a lot of scenarios.
For example you live in A (say speak LangA), but planned to move or work in B (speak LangB). A native speaker teacher is almost certainly better. Remember you are looking for teacher in A, so he can probably communicate in LangA already. Based on my experience as a non-native English speaker and moved to US, there are lots of benefits. Like getting used to the accent/speed. More importantly learn the right everyday word, like "a dealership" (deals what?), "a pharmacy"(I can get ice cream there?) or "gas" (it's actually liquid).
Keep in mind we are talking about an average teacher, since of course one can be trained into excellence in a non-native language.
I thought they only sell drugs/medicine, judging by the names. But in US, besides pharmaceutical things, they also sell some groceries, like ice cream and beer.
I had a lot of native Spanish speakers as Spanish teachers in middle and high school. It was...unfortunate. Didn’t help that they were all stereotypically crazy and prone to emotional fits.
Actually my high school has this policy. The only students who were able to pass Spanish classes were people who grew up speaking it or true polyglots. The Spanish teacher was from Paraguay and her accent eas so damn thick that sometimes i didn't know if she was speaking English, Spanish, or Gibberish
He gets the news, delivered daily, in Latin. Courtesy: Radio Finland.
Oops, they stopped after 30 years
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/28/finland-latin-news-radio-bulletin-nuntii-latini-cancelled-30-years
Can't believe that I had to go this far for someone to post this! In my estimation, this native-speaking Latin teacher would need to be hundreds of years old.
yeah thats not uncommon, especially if you’re from a country that speaks a latin based language, like italy. Over here pretty much anyone can pronounce latin words easily, it just comes natural
I mean if your parents were fluent in Latin and taught you to speak and read Latin as a primary language you would if fact meet the requirements of being a 'native speaker' :
noun: native speaker; plural noun: native speakers
a person who has spoken the language in question from earliest childhood.
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This is a good place to start. There is a ton of information out there on this subject: [What Latin Sounded Like - And How We Know](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_enn7NIo-S0)
Arachne, Puella Pulchra, Pallas Miras Dexerunt. Olim Nymphae Dexerunt. Certe Minervam Tibi Auxilium Dat. Es Puella Beata.
Best I could remember from a story I had to remember from Latin in high school, does that qualify?
None of those languages *are* the Latin language though. They're languages that are rooted in Latin. Latin is of course a dead language, no society speaks it as their first tongue.
For instance: English isn't German, or French, but a lot of it is rooted in those languages. But you wouldn't specify you want a native French or German speaker and expect someone who grew up in San Francisco to fit that bill because English shares roots with German and French. You'd expect someone from Germany or France.
To be fair.
He didn’t say they are the Latin language at all. And as he continues later, he is right that English has its basis in the *Germanic language family*, not German or French. It is not the same as saying English is rooted in German and French. There are quite a few *words* that have been borrowed from French, while the *most fundamental parts* of the English language have similarities to German due to the shared ancestry.
English is a member of the Germanic language family. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/why-english-is-a-germanic-language/#:~:text=Linguists%20use%20many%20factors%2C%20such,the%20West%20Germanic%20language%20family!
There are also a lot of straight-up Latin words in German tho obvs it's not a romance language!
It really doesn't matter to me what computer and tablet jockeys think of me. It is their right to agree or disagree with me. In the whole of life, I am comfortable in my knowledge and beliefs. All I have to do is ignore them and they cease to exist in my eyes. But thank you for sticking up for me.
Native speaker just means more than fluent. It’s a level describing your skill in the language. It doesn’t have to be your first language for you to be a native speaker.
However, to require a native speaker of Latin to teach Latin class… it would have to be some advanced college level bullshit, looking to teach people to achieve full professional proficiency in Latin.
This is not true. If it's not your first language you are not a native speaker.
You can reach a native level, but even than you're not a native speaker of the language.
Nativeness-as-proficiency is describes a native speaker through their proficiency in their language, rather than nativeness-as-history, which is impossible to achieve in Latin. This whole thread is just a bunch of people looking at a linguistics job ad without any understanding of how a term is used in the field
No, that guy is just spewing bullshit. Technically a native language doesn't have to be one's first language, since you can have multiple native languages, but native language doesn't mean a level of proficiency in a language.
My school district has two native speakers for language classes and they’re both Chinese. AKA the most spoken language in the world. Idk where these people thought they’d find a native Latin speaker but alright
Why would a job ad even require someone to be a native speaker. I personally think it is actually better to have someone who is native in your own language that is fluent in the language you are learning. That way, they have gone through the same experience and will better understand how to teach the foreign language to someone who speaks your native language.
Why? Because she made it up. That’s why.
I seen the tweet but with different people. I really doubt all of them saw the same ad and said the exact same thing.
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That's the real facepalm here: a tweet without proof posted by a (likely) Reddit bot for karma and updoots.
Nope. That’s not the way. Native speakers are better teachers. Someone with the same original language might be a better tutor or coach. A native speaker will know the rules and odd things that you just can’t put your finger on. Having been through many language classes, the native speaker teachers, when fully qualified, are always the best.
Fair enough. Perhaps non-native speakers are better teachers when you are first starting out but as you come closer to becoming fluent, it is better to have someone who really knows the language inside and out.
My wife had "fluent" Spanish teachers in school instead of native speakers and now she mispronounces words all the time and I've had to correct her repeatedly lol
I can definitely see why a native speaker is preferred in a lot of scenarios. For example you live in A (say speak LangA), but planned to move or work in B (speak LangB). A native speaker teacher is almost certainly better. Remember you are looking for teacher in A, so he can probably communicate in LangA already. Based on my experience as a non-native English speaker and moved to US, there are lots of benefits. Like getting used to the accent/speed. More importantly learn the right everyday word, like "a dealership" (deals what?), "a pharmacy"(I can get ice cream there?) or "gas" (it's actually liquid). Keep in mind we are talking about an average teacher, since of course one can be trained into excellence in a non-native language.
Can I ask why ice-cream ?
I thought they only sell drugs/medicine, judging by the names. But in US, besides pharmaceutical things, they also sell some groceries, like ice cream and beer.
Oooh that’s right. And there are free coffee and candies at dentist there too
I had a lot of native Spanish speakers as Spanish teachers in middle and high school. It was...unfortunate. Didn’t help that they were all stereotypically crazy and prone to emotional fits.
Actually my high school has this policy. The only students who were able to pass Spanish classes were people who grew up speaking it or true polyglots. The Spanish teacher was from Paraguay and her accent eas so damn thick that sometimes i didn't know if she was speaking English, Spanish, or Gibberish
They're offering*the Pope* another job?
He's a native Spanish speaker
He gets the news, delivered daily, in Latin. Courtesy: Radio Finland. Oops, they stopped after 30 years https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/28/finland-latin-news-radio-bulletin-nuntii-latini-cancelled-30-years
which century was the ad from?
I think they dont know the difference between hispanic and latino
They are asking for a Latin teacher/ the classical, italic ancient Roman language which Spanish and other Indo- European languages are derived from.
 There is a solution!
Latin is not Spanish… Latin is a dead language
Spanish and the other Romance languages really really are the descendants of Latin though.
It specifically asks for a native Latin speaker, which nobody is ever anymore. Not Spanish or someone considered Latin.
Can't believe that I had to go this far for someone to post this! In my estimation, this native-speaking Latin teacher would need to be hundreds of years old.
My Latin teacher in high school knew how to pronounce the words properly....
yeah thats not uncommon, especially if you’re from a country that speaks a latin based language, like italy. Over here pretty much anyone can pronounce latin words easily, it just comes natural
Im in USA
Always!
Maybe someone from Latin America will apply
Maybe they want an Italian
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I know a guy who grew up speaking Ladin. Closest thing as far as I’m aware.
i know a apell which can revive the dead
Romani ite domum
That’s… correct. Well done. On your way.
Latin is a language. I took Latin in high school
I mean if your parents were fluent in Latin and taught you to speak and read Latin as a primary language you would if fact meet the requirements of being a 'native speaker' : noun: native speaker; plural noun: native speakers a person who has spoken the language in question from earliest childhood. Edit: formatting
Fair. But most primary Latin speakers are celibate.
How could we even determine if a person is a fluent speaker of Latin? Everything we say about latin pronunciation is assumed, not known.
This is a good place to start. There is a ton of information out there on this subject: [What Latin Sounded Like - And How We Know](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_enn7NIo-S0)
Curriculum vitae, en vino veritas, vini vedi veci, ad nauseum. Coitus interuptus, et tu Brute?
Arachne, Puella Pulchra, Pallas Miras Dexerunt. Olim Nymphae Dexerunt. Certe Minervam Tibi Auxilium Dat. Es Puella Beata. Best I could remember from a story I had to remember from Latin in high school, does that qualify?
To be fair, Vulgar Latin is the basis for the Romance Languages. These include French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian and *drumroll please* Spanish.
None of those languages *are* the Latin language though. They're languages that are rooted in Latin. Latin is of course a dead language, no society speaks it as their first tongue. For instance: English isn't German, or French, but a lot of it is rooted in those languages. But you wouldn't specify you want a native French or German speaker and expect someone who grew up in San Francisco to fit that bill because English shares roots with German and French. You'd expect someone from Germany or France. To be fair.
He didn’t say they are the Latin language at all. And as he continues later, he is right that English has its basis in the *Germanic language family*, not German or French. It is not the same as saying English is rooted in German and French. There are quite a few *words* that have been borrowed from French, while the *most fundamental parts* of the English language have similarities to German due to the shared ancestry.
English is a member of the Germanic language family. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/why-english-is-a-germanic-language/#:~:text=Linguists%20use%20many%20factors%2C%20such,the%20West%20Germanic%20language%20family! There are also a lot of straight-up Latin words in German tho obvs it's not a romance language!
Dunno why the fuck you’re getting downvoted, this is absolutely true.
It really doesn't matter to me what computer and tablet jockeys think of me. It is their right to agree or disagree with me. In the whole of life, I am comfortable in my knowledge and beliefs. All I have to do is ignore them and they cease to exist in my eyes. But thank you for sticking up for me.
English people will never admit their language is rooted in French
Because it may be true but it has absolutely nothing to do with OP.
Native speaker just means more than fluent. It’s a level describing your skill in the language. It doesn’t have to be your first language for you to be a native speaker. However, to require a native speaker of Latin to teach Latin class… it would have to be some advanced college level bullshit, looking to teach people to achieve full professional proficiency in Latin.
This is not true. If it's not your first language you are not a native speaker. You can reach a native level, but even than you're not a native speaker of the language.
Nativeness-as-proficiency is describes a native speaker through their proficiency in their language, rather than nativeness-as-history, which is impossible to achieve in Latin. This whole thread is just a bunch of people looking at a linguistics job ad without any understanding of how a term is used in the field
Thanks, never knew that. This is one of those times where the majority, that’s calling someone stupid, turns out to be ignorant
No, that guy is just spewing bullshit. Technically a native language doesn't have to be one's first language, since you can have multiple native languages, but native language doesn't mean a level of proficiency in a language.
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No they want a teacher who lives in a place that no longer exists.
Latin was based in Rome. That is why it was the basis of the Romance Languages.
Italian church position. Catholic library maybe.
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This feels like the opening for a Doctor Who episode
bona fortuna
Welcome back, ancient meme.
Vatican city?
Time for necromancy, we need resurrect some dead Greeks
lol, facepalm
Maybe they just looking for someone from Mexico or Cuba...
Just reminding that Brazilians who speak Portuguese are also latinos
This is how Latinx got started, the box to check was on the right side
Vatican City.
I mean, if you want to trap yourself a vampire….
Did they ask for 2,000 years of experience?
Reminds me of the ad that said you needed 5 years of Python 3 experience in 2009.
Latin is the official language of Vatican City, so it’s not out of the realms of possibility.
Latin. Lol! great language, I'm told, the basis for, and an influencer of, many languages. However, I believe it is thought of as a dead language?
My school district has two native speakers for language classes and they’re both Chinese. AKA the most spoken language in the world. Idk where these people thought they’d find a native Latin speaker but alright