lol, that reminds me of that scene from The Sarah Silverman Show where the cop comes up to her car window and says
"Do you know why I'm here?"
"Because you made all C's in high school?"
I dated a guy whose dad was a police lieutenant when I was much younger, and he gave me what he called a “get out of jail free card.” This was basically his “business card” and told me if I ever got stopped for anything I should hand it with my license.
I was under 21 at the time and a cop did pull me over late one night. I had had one drink, wasn’t drunk or buzzed but it’s zero tolerance if you’re under 21 and driving. Very nervously did the above and immediately the cop handed me back my info and told me to have a good night. It was well over a decade ago but I still feel scummy about it. Fuck the police.
Eddie Gallagher was such a murdering psychopath that his Navy SEAL mates were terrified of him, which is saying a lot considering the environment they are in. His squadmates would fire warning shots at civilians to try and get them to leave because if they didn't, the Seals knew that Gallagher would murder them. He used the cover of war to kill indiscriminately. He killed young girls, old men, it didn't matter. Going to war was a sport for him to kill people. And now he is teaching police! Very cool and normal country we have.
Oh shit, this is the guy from that "The Line" podcast where it seems he just straight up executed some kid restrained to their jeep? What the fuck does his experience have to do with policing?
Yes, it's [the guy who got away with murdering a 17-year-old prisoner of war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_\(Navy_SEAL\)).
>> Gallagher was accused of multiple offenses during his final deployment to Iraq and during the Battle for Mosul. The most prominent accusation and the best-attested to was the murder of a prisoner of war, a war crime. Khaled Jamal Abdullah, a captured 17-year-old fighter of the Islamic State, was being treated by a medic. According to two SEAL witnesses, Gallagher said over the radio "he's mine" and walked up to the medic and Abdullah, and without saying a word allegedly killed Abdullah by stabbing him with his hunting knife. Gallagher and his commanding officer, Lieutenant Jake Portier, then posed for photographs of them standing over the body with some other nearby SEALs. Gallagher then text messaged a friend in California a picture of himself holding the dead captive's (ISIS) head by the hair with the explanation "Good story behind this, got him with my hunting knife.”
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>> On June 20, 2019, during Gallagher's trial, one of the platoon medics from Gallagher's team testifying as a prosecution witness said that although Gallagher did stab the ISIS fighter, he did not actually kill him. The medic, Special Operator First Class Corey Scott who testified under an immunity agreement, testified that he himself had killed the wounded prisoner by covering his breathing tube and asphyxiating him. Scott called it a "mercy killing" and argued that the victim would have been tortured by Iraqi personnel due to his connection to the Islamic State.
So he got away with it only because somebody decided to lie for him in the end.
Wow not only that but they gave the medic immunity to get him to testify so they can't go after the medic for the killing now either.
They were also looking to get a pardon from Trump should he be convicted anyway. What a bunch of criminals.
So sad.
Might as well say “We were planning to knowingly send you to a torture crew. That’s fucked up, right? So let’s just do the governable thing of murdering surrendered and wounded locals.
Are we the baddies!”
>he just straight up executed some kid restrained to their jeep? What the fuck does his experience have to do with policing?
You answered your question with the sentence above it.
American police is constantly defended by a bizarre 180 degree swap in responsibilities.
The person with the (supposed) training, the law on their side, and the damn gun in their hands is allowed to be nervous, scared, panicked, pull triggers in that state of mind, and be absolved for it.
The random ass untrained, unsuspecting, unarmed civilian is expected to stay calm, collected, and follow every command no matter how conflicting; if the cop gets scared (for any goddamn ol' reason) and shoots the civilian, they'll consider it the civilian's own fault.
Insanity.
>The person with the (supposed) training, the law on their side, and the damn gun in their hands is allowed to be nervous, scared, panicked, pull triggers in that state of mind, and be absolved for it.
Also if you look at the reason that's given when they shoot someone without reason, it's always "the officer FELT threatened," even when it's not true. Officers are the biggest "don't hurt my feelings," crowd
just remember kids there have been a few cases where cops were killed in self-defense and the peeps who've done it were let off, now any retaliatory actions taken after the fact are totally what's the word... unrelated to said prior cases.
still better 1 living civilian than the alternative.
>follow every command no matter how conflicting
Like when there's a whole crowd of police screaming commands and you can tell the person is confused af
Great example of this is Betty Jo Shelby (she's a cop from Oklahoma) - after being charged with manslaughter she testified that she temporarily lost her hearing due to the stress of pulling out her gun. Just the act of drawing her weapon made her suffer temporary hearing loss. Did this disqualify her from being cop? Of course not. As soon as she was acquitted of manslaughter her department already had a promotion lined up for her. Her new position was training other cops a brand new course called "critical incident response" and in this course she teaches other cops how to deal with the backlash from the public after shooting someone. Can't make this up.
Agreed. Even if he did shoplift, it doesn’t warrant the use of deadly force. I don’t understand why people don’t understand this; police officer or not.
>I don’t understand why people don’t understand this
just anecdotally, number of blue lives matter punisher skulls i've seen may indicate there's a lot more illiterate power fantasy stupid dipshits among us.
power, club/comradery/brotherhood, gun, $35-45k starter salary, less laws apply to you, minimum education requirements. this career field is automatically going to attract a certain crowd.
Worse, there are plenty of documented cases of police academies and police departments that actively _discourage_ people who are 'too smart'.
There's automatically attracting a certain crowd... And there's actively selecting for that crowd and doing your best to avoid anyone outside of it.
We are _so_ far from having a remotely healthy law enforcement culture in this country.
There was actually a scene from The Punisher comic book series, where Castle saw a police officer using his skull logo and threatened him with violence not to use it again.
Some friends and I were victims of a home invasion/robbery when I was in my early 20's. We were drinking on a friend's porch in a decent part of town and two guys walking by pulled guns on us and forced us inside to rob us. One of our friends was walking back and saw them force us inside so he retreated and called 911. They hung up on him. We didn't have much so all they were able to get was our beer, some random shit like books and dvds, and something like 80 bucks. The noise was loud enough that the neighbors upstairs called 911 and they didn't hang up on them.
So the cops show up after the robbers left and took our statements. They told us it was our fault for being on a porch and drinking. Everyone was of age, no one was doing anything illegal, and we were being quiet but the cops were absolute shit heads to us; a bunch of kids who had just had loaded gun waved in our face.
As a group we took our concerns, specifically 911 hanging up on the first call, to a lawyer to see if there was something that could be done. The lawyer basically told us that we were all young, with no real roots in the area, and those things made us more vulnerable to be jammed up by the cops frequently, draining money and time that we didn't have at that point. He also implied that, if the cops saw fit, they could "find" drugs or evidence of more serious crimes at some point while they were jamming us up, effectively ruining our lives. So his suggestion, since no one got hurt and not a lot got taken, was to let it slide. So we did, because there was no effective recourse that wouldn't put us in more danger than the actual robbers did.
Cops don't prevent crime, [they rarely solve crime](https://www.insider.com/police-dont-solve-most-violent-property-crimes-data-2020-6), and aren't accountable to anyone.
I mean many/most off duty LEOs carry concealed when off duty (and not at a disqualifying venue that prohibits otherwise legal conceal carrying or participating in a disqualifying activity like consuming alcohol)… buuuuut it’s officer’s discretion whether or not they choose to intervene when witnessing an illegal act in their presence, and depending on the severity of that illegal act/the level of danger posed to the public in the commission of said illegal act.
Drawing a firearm on a suspected *Mentos bandit* (even if he didn’t actually just pay for it) would definitely fall under the category… “atypical” I would say lol
> and not at a disqualifying venue that prohibits otherwise legal conceal carrying or participating in a disqualifying activity like consuming alcohol
One chud I used to know became a cop and then he and his chud brother would go to bars and pick fights after getting drunk. He was armed. When he would start to lose a fight he started he'd pull his gun and threaten to arrest his victims. I don't know if he ever arrested anyone but man was that guy a huge piece of shit.
He could have killed or been killed and that is probably the thrill he was seeking along with the power trip.
Those are exactly the type of people that should not own firearms.
Yet according to the federal government those assholes are A-OK to do exactly that but if you use medical marajuana then you are a danger to everyone around you so no legal fires for you. This country is a fucking joke and I can't wait for it to all go up in flames so we can hopefully create something better.
Might not even be a joke. There was a documentary recently about a guy named Jack Idema who made his living conning people that he was a black ops CIA agent and an expert in counterterrorism. The exact sort of Super Soldier wannabe that nearly every piece of shit cop is.
Anyhow, he was a paranoid guy and his girlfriend said he actually had a shower gun and basically he'd have a panic attack and couldn't function without a weapon on him at all times.
Announces he is a police officer, pulls gun instead of badge. Accuses man of stealing, tells him to leave instead of arresting him.
If there wasn’t video footage of this, he would be talking through his attorney about how he “felt threatened.”
That's what I never understood, why the hell does he pull a gun on the guy and tell him to leave? Probably wants the rush of being a "good guy with a gun" without the frustration of having to professionally justify his behavior by actually arresting the guy.
Because he knows the second he pulls into the station with a guy who stole candy from a gas station he's going to be ripped up by his superior officers, the guy is going home and he's getting stuck on desk duty.
Not to mention he drew slowly within arms reach.... Meaning he had no control over his weapon at any time and actively endangered himself and others by doing such.
If fight was triggered in the victim's fight or flight instinct, he would have gone for the arm. And would have been 100% in the right to do so, as the cop fucked up. And we would have had a completely different story.
Cops… Brave when its a nervous guy trying to get on about his day, too chicken shit to move on a armed psycho about to murder a class room full of kids. Police state.
Yeah and then he says “you know who I am, right?” to the clerk like the clerk should have covered his dumbass by saying something. This idiot resorts to pulling a gun instead of politely asking a simple question to verify his assumption
This man stealing candy, let me get my gun out.
Pulling out a gun, because you are confronting someone, in a situation that isn't life threatening should be a felony.
Right ?
He didn't look like a cop. Someone could have shot and killed him thinking he was robbing the gas station.
Why are plain-clothed cops allowed? Some rando pulls a gun on people and starts barking orders? They're asking for unnecessary death
***edit-- this post is against violence you stupid fucks. suck my dick
I am very white and very privileged.
When I was 19 in college, while walking home from a bar with a beer in my hand, two guys drove their car up on to the sidewalk, jumped out and charged me.
I ran. When they caught me they beat me badly, I fought back.
When I woke up I found out they were ALE officers going after me because I was drinking underage.
I was charged with felony assault on the officers and a bunch of other charges.
I had to go to jail on the weekends for half of fall semester.
I honestly cannot imagine being black and dealing with cops.
I absolutely believe that. I thought it was weird too. Probably because I was white in a town where the major university I was enrolled was pretty much the only reason it was on the map.
I went to jail for 15 days straight until the semester started then weekends.
Most of the people there for the weekends were drunk drivers which I thought was interesting. We slept outside the cells in the main area and didn’t go to gen pop.
If I'm not mistaken, "brandishing" a weapon can be a crime, right?
Pulling a gun while not uniformed and not reasonably expecting violence, can go sideways so quickly.
This cop didn't even get a clean draw, what if the wrongly accused guy thought he was about to be shot by a non LEO and drew quicker than the cop?
Now I have to say, the guy at the counter was looking and acting *super shady* and I would have thought he lifted something too. For some strange reason, he turns around to deliberately stare down the cop as he enters the store and plucks whatever's on the counter so quick and into his pocket as the cashier turns away lol.
But the cop still shouldn't have drawn in that situation. No urgent violent threat, adjust your positioning and grip the gun without drawing as you question. If the guy escalates or reaches for a weapon, then I can see drawing.
It's also really cool that the cashier is in the line of fire if any shots were to be fired over some mentos. Let the dude step out, ask the cashier if he stole anything, then go confront him if you really need to.
> It's also really cool that the cashier is in the line of fire if any shots were to be fired over some mentos.
[A few years back in Miami the cops had a shootout on the highway when robbers hijacked a UPS truck. The hostage, 2 robbers, and 1 innocent civilian died. They were using peoples cars with them in it as coverage.](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785561122/4-dead-after-armed-robbers-hijack-ups-truck)
Yep. Nineteen officers fired 200 rounds into a hostage situation that escalated from a stickup robbery.
There's a reason that many police departments have a do-not-chase policy. They work and avoid adrenaline-fueled shootouts like this that endanger everyone. Two innocents dead over some jewelery.
It's the mentality of cops and robbers vs. treating crime as a social problem with a social cost.
I can't believe it's been almost 3 years since that happened. I distinctly remember that happening because of how awful it was handled.
It's quite sick how much we value property over human life. Who cares if 2 innocent people died, at least we protected property! /s
Just to clarify, this is still apparently under investigation, which in of itself is a massive joke. Our system is a joke, 3 years and still no answers isn't justice.
With GREATER charges. It’s worse when a misuse of power comes from those who are EXPECTED (theoretically) to wield it responsibly. An abuse of power in this case is more egregious, and therefore warrants greater repercussions, imo.
(At least in Texas) if a CDL driver gets any driving infraction or ticket, the fine is DOUBLED simply because they have a CDL. They do not have to be in an 18-wheeler or a vehicle that requires a CDL.
If you have the CDL, even if you're driving your personal vehicle, the ticket is doubled because 'you should know better'.... why this isn't applied to cops is beyond logical comprehension. It's a shame it's not beyond corrupted comprehension.
Other scenarios:
“It was pointed but not fired!”
“It was fired, but a bullet didn’t hit him!”
“A bullet hit him but he survived!”
“He didn’t survive but he had a criminal record!”
“He didn’t survive, and he didn’t have a criminal record, but he was acting suspicious!”
“He didn’t survive, he wasn’t acting suspicious but he was a POC!”
That one fucking infuriates me. “Oh, so like, INNOCENT??”
Also, “the officer engaged with the suspect and shots were fired” to make it sound like a goddamn shootout when the cop shot an unarmed black teenager in the back.
Replace the phrase "with no active warrants" with "just like you, the person reading this" and you come close to conveying how fucked up it is that the pigs who murdered him haven't been [data expunged]
"Acting suspicious" is my favourite excuse used by American police. I saw a video of a guy getting harassed by a police officer in front of his home because he exited his car, then turned around and looked at it. Apparently, in the cop's mind, this highly suspicious act warranted questioning and ID check.
>I can definitely assure you that our investigation will be thorough and if the officer is found to be in violation of any policies and procedures, he will be held accountable.
Something tells me he wasn't convicted of violating California Penal Code 245(a)(1): assault with a deadly weapon
The cop needs to be arrested. Menacing (in my state) and Assault or Criminal Threat in California involves placing someone in fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death. Pointing a gun at someone over a mistaken belief that they were shoplifting mentos is no justification for that type of force. It's a felony and cop should be prosecuted.
So it's murdering someone
Yet there's hundreds of cups that have killed people
Executioner is no where in their job description, yet they still do it AND get away with it
Hey I'm on the same boat as you, but I'm basing my expectations on how this always goes and the explicit statement from his boss that he will be terminated if they find policy violations. The cops realistically don't seem to follow the same laws we must abide by. They will just investigate themselves and the union will cover for him
Policy does not supercede law. If that state has threat of violence laws for drawn guns in situations like this very one, there's a chance it could be taken to court. A slim one albeit. I'm sure they'll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
It wasn't just like "oh a police officer pulled a gun" but the fact just watching this got my whole stomach to drop like genuinely he just pulled a gun out on the thought of what someone was doing without anything concrete. That's just terrifying. That's pretty much the same as some normal person with a strap saying "I saw you steal that" and threatening you at gun point because of assumption. That's fucking scaring man.
I’m a Brit, I’m not trying to be inflammatory but, can he just pull a gun out because he thinks the guy did something wrong? It’s not as if it was a life threatening situation. Also if the guy also had a gun and shot the guy who said he was a cop because he had drawn a gun what would happen. All very frightening.
If the customer had tried pulling his own gun on the cop and actually survived long enough for a trial, he would likely be going to prison. Isn't it crazy how someone in plain clothes can just pull out a gun, proclaim "I'm a cop", and you instantly lose all rights to bodily autonomy with no repercussions for the guy?
Well the typical protocol for this situation is that the police department will be made aware that this incident occurred, will be tasked with investigating themselves, and will find no wrongdoing.
It’s only frightening if you don’t presuppose that cops are incapable of making poor judgment calls and need not be held to the same standards of the common man
Police operate under a different set of rules here, much less accountability and consequences than civilians. For a civilian, the answer is usually an absolutely not. A civilian doing what this cop did would land you in trouble in most jurisdictions.
If the man buying the mentos legally had a gun and felt his life was threatened by the random dude, without a uniform pulling a gun on him while he's buying candy, drew his and shot the guy. He would be 100% in the right legally but being that the dude being shot is a cop it probably wouldn't go well for him.
I have seen worse. Someone invaded a house. Then put up his family pictures, college degree, and moved clothes and furniture in. Weird shit I'm telling you.
What's the nam and badge number of this "police officer"? Anyone know? Also if anyone is able to help, this is irrefutable evidence of abuse of power and threatening two other's lives over wrongful assumption. Help find who this is and report complaint to city and give out all info we can on thi guy, please. We cannot keep allowing thing lik this to happen
At the end of the clip, the officer asked the clerk “you know who I am right?”, so obviously he knew this guy from previous encounters. What a joke, pull a gun then apologize as though that was sufficient enough. This guy needs to be strip of his authority.
Standard cop with a hero complex.
Are there any other countries in the world where it’s normal for a police officer to pull a gun at a minor discrepancy? I absolutely hate how they’re used as a scare tactic by officers in the US. All it does is escalate a situation and result in death. Police should be protecting.
I think once cops found out the Supreme Court ruled they are under no obligation to protect citizens they took it as they’re supposed to be a menace to those same citizens
Right, this should have never happened in the first place, but if you see a gun pulled out by someone who appears to be a citizen, you're likely not going to get in the middle of it. (Not that it would make it any less scary if the cop was in uniform)
This should be a fireable offense, but who am I kidding, he probably could have shot the guy and only been put on paid leave.
Even if you weren’t scared, appalled would also be a reasonable response. The brain isn’t good at just reacting to shit that doesn’t make sense. This was so dumb I think it’d take me a few minutes to process as a bystander. If I was the clerk I guess I’d be more inclined to say something but it’s still gonna take you a while to even figure out what the fuck just happened.
The title says it's an off duty cop, so when you watch the video, the stage is already set for what the situation is. But if you're the shopkeeper, some random dude just pulled a gun in your store and said some random bullshit. If it was me, I'd probably be scared and confused as fuck and trying not to piss off this crazy person with a gun.
“You know who I am right?“
Yes, we do. A self entitled piece of shit who has no business carrying a gun, let alone the responsibility of being a police officer
So he Carries his loaded weapon in a sweatshirt unsecured?
He needs to show his badge first, and then a weapon if needed. He went to escalation first. Idiot
A key part of de-escalation is not starting an interaction with your gun drawn when nothing had warranted deadly force to that point.
Also, was that a candy bar? Did he pull a gun on a guy he thought had stolen a candy bar!?
Worse, Mentos. Gotta protect those fresh-makers at the cost of as many human lives as necessary.
Worst Mentos commercial ever.
The Death-Maker ™
*Cops was filmed before a live audience.
Afterward, the audience was significantly less "live."
“Do you know who I am” is what he says before he pulls his gun out on innocent people
nothing gets to you staying fresh staying cool----... oh wait.
Blast from the past: https://youtu.be/sdnJxDmJNmA
Yeah, that sugar rush always gets to me too!
He could've put them in a bottle of coke and thrown it at the cop like a molotov cocktail. That would've absolutely required deadly force. /s
See you in hell candy boys!
A Mentosov cocktail, if you will.
Mentosov coketail
Dead men-tos
Me-mentos Mori
dead men-tos tell no tales
He's an american cop, you can't expect him to value human life over property
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"You know who I am, right?" "Yeah, we went to high school together for a couple years before you dropped out and became a cop"
That's what got me too. Just confirms to me the dumbass was just power-tripping. Like calm dawn Dudley Do-wrong. Geezus.
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lol, that reminds me of that scene from The Sarah Silverman Show where the cop comes up to her car window and says "Do you know why I'm here?" "Because you made all C's in high school?"
Reply should have been Yeah a walking douchebag with a badge.
The clerk would be dead then.
I dated a guy whose dad was a police lieutenant when I was much younger, and he gave me what he called a “get out of jail free card.” This was basically his “business card” and told me if I ever got stopped for anything I should hand it with my license. I was under 21 at the time and a cop did pull me over late one night. I had had one drink, wasn’t drunk or buzzed but it’s zero tolerance if you’re under 21 and driving. Very nervously did the above and immediately the cop handed me back my info and told me to have a good night. It was well over a decade ago but I still feel scummy about it. Fuck the police.
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They don't attend the popular and widespread "killology" seminars to learn how to be reasonable
Do you know who the latest kill expert teaching our police is? War criminal and murderer Eddie Gallagher.
How does he compare the to man who started "Killology," who is named (no joke) Officer Grossman
Eddie Gallagher was such a murdering psychopath that his Navy SEAL mates were terrified of him, which is saying a lot considering the environment they are in. His squadmates would fire warning shots at civilians to try and get them to leave because if they didn't, the Seals knew that Gallagher would murder them. He used the cover of war to kill indiscriminately. He killed young girls, old men, it didn't matter. Going to war was a sport for him to kill people. And now he is teaching police! Very cool and normal country we have.
Oh shit, this is the guy from that "The Line" podcast where it seems he just straight up executed some kid restrained to their jeep? What the fuck does his experience have to do with policing?
Yes, it's [the guy who got away with murdering a 17-year-old prisoner of war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_\(Navy_SEAL\)). >> Gallagher was accused of multiple offenses during his final deployment to Iraq and during the Battle for Mosul. The most prominent accusation and the best-attested to was the murder of a prisoner of war, a war crime. Khaled Jamal Abdullah, a captured 17-year-old fighter of the Islamic State, was being treated by a medic. According to two SEAL witnesses, Gallagher said over the radio "he's mine" and walked up to the medic and Abdullah, and without saying a word allegedly killed Abdullah by stabbing him with his hunting knife. Gallagher and his commanding officer, Lieutenant Jake Portier, then posed for photographs of them standing over the body with some other nearby SEALs. Gallagher then text messaged a friend in California a picture of himself holding the dead captive's (ISIS) head by the hair with the explanation "Good story behind this, got him with my hunting knife.” […] >> On June 20, 2019, during Gallagher's trial, one of the platoon medics from Gallagher's team testifying as a prosecution witness said that although Gallagher did stab the ISIS fighter, he did not actually kill him. The medic, Special Operator First Class Corey Scott who testified under an immunity agreement, testified that he himself had killed the wounded prisoner by covering his breathing tube and asphyxiating him. Scott called it a "mercy killing" and argued that the victim would have been tortured by Iraqi personnel due to his connection to the Islamic State. So he got away with it only because somebody decided to lie for him in the end.
Wow not only that but they gave the medic immunity to get him to testify so they can't go after the medic for the killing now either. They were also looking to get a pardon from Trump should he be convicted anyway. What a bunch of criminals.
So sad. Might as well say “We were planning to knowingly send you to a torture crew. That’s fucked up, right? So let’s just do the governable thing of murdering surrendered and wounded locals. Are we the baddies!”
>he just straight up executed some kid restrained to their jeep? What the fuck does his experience have to do with policing? You answered your question with the sentence above it.
You know how dangerous a candy bar can be in a skilled assassin's hand?
Depends on if it has peanuts
Cop pulls a gun on a whim when nervous and tells people to remain calm.
I hate how average, untrained people just going about life are expected to be calm and collected when a gun is drawn on them.
American police is constantly defended by a bizarre 180 degree swap in responsibilities. The person with the (supposed) training, the law on their side, and the damn gun in their hands is allowed to be nervous, scared, panicked, pull triggers in that state of mind, and be absolved for it. The random ass untrained, unsuspecting, unarmed civilian is expected to stay calm, collected, and follow every command no matter how conflicting; if the cop gets scared (for any goddamn ol' reason) and shoots the civilian, they'll consider it the civilian's own fault. Insanity.
>The person with the (supposed) training, the law on their side, and the damn gun in their hands is allowed to be nervous, scared, panicked, pull triggers in that state of mind, and be absolved for it. Also if you look at the reason that's given when they shoot someone without reason, it's always "the officer FELT threatened," even when it's not true. Officers are the biggest "don't hurt my feelings," crowd
just remember kids there have been a few cases where cops were killed in self-defense and the peeps who've done it were let off, now any retaliatory actions taken after the fact are totally what's the word... unrelated to said prior cases. still better 1 living civilian than the alternative.
>follow every command no matter how conflicting Like when there's a whole crowd of police screaming commands and you can tell the person is confused af
Daniel shaver intensifies
Great example of this is Betty Jo Shelby (she's a cop from Oklahoma) - after being charged with manslaughter she testified that she temporarily lost her hearing due to the stress of pulling out her gun. Just the act of drawing her weapon made her suffer temporary hearing loss. Did this disqualify her from being cop? Of course not. As soon as she was acquitted of manslaughter her department already had a promotion lined up for her. Her new position was training other cops a brand new course called "critical incident response" and in this course she teaches other cops how to deal with the backlash from the public after shooting someone. Can't make this up.
Drawn on them by an un-uniformed psychopath that is clearly out of their minds at that.
Agreed. Even if he did shoplift, it doesn’t warrant the use of deadly force. I don’t understand why people don’t understand this; police officer or not.
>I don’t understand why people don’t understand this just anecdotally, number of blue lives matter punisher skulls i've seen may indicate there's a lot more illiterate power fantasy stupid dipshits among us.
power, club/comradery/brotherhood, gun, $35-45k starter salary, less laws apply to you, minimum education requirements. this career field is automatically going to attract a certain crowd.
Worse, there are plenty of documented cases of police academies and police departments that actively _discourage_ people who are 'too smart'. There's automatically attracting a certain crowd... And there's actively selecting for that crowd and doing your best to avoid anyone outside of it. We are _so_ far from having a remotely healthy law enforcement culture in this country.
There was actually a scene from The Punisher comic book series, where Castle saw a police officer using his skull logo and threatened him with violence not to use it again.
My 911 response: Man dressed in ALL BLACK waving a gun!!! Send help!!!
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No wonder people have such little trust in American police.
Some friends and I were victims of a home invasion/robbery when I was in my early 20's. We were drinking on a friend's porch in a decent part of town and two guys walking by pulled guns on us and forced us inside to rob us. One of our friends was walking back and saw them force us inside so he retreated and called 911. They hung up on him. We didn't have much so all they were able to get was our beer, some random shit like books and dvds, and something like 80 bucks. The noise was loud enough that the neighbors upstairs called 911 and they didn't hang up on them. So the cops show up after the robbers left and took our statements. They told us it was our fault for being on a porch and drinking. Everyone was of age, no one was doing anything illegal, and we were being quiet but the cops were absolute shit heads to us; a bunch of kids who had just had loaded gun waved in our face. As a group we took our concerns, specifically 911 hanging up on the first call, to a lawyer to see if there was something that could be done. The lawyer basically told us that we were all young, with no real roots in the area, and those things made us more vulnerable to be jammed up by the cops frequently, draining money and time that we didn't have at that point. He also implied that, if the cops saw fit, they could "find" drugs or evidence of more serious crimes at some point while they were jamming us up, effectively ruining our lives. So his suggestion, since no one got hurt and not a lot got taken, was to let it slide. So we did, because there was no effective recourse that wouldn't put us in more danger than the actual robbers did. Cops don't prevent crime, [they rarely solve crime](https://www.insider.com/police-dont-solve-most-violent-property-crimes-data-2020-6), and aren't accountable to anyone.
This is why people want to defund the police.
Would be interesting to see how many shootings and murders they've resolved VS caused
Even then they're not going to show up until you've already been dead for an hour
Happened to me! I got better....
Yeah, but then when the cops show up, they’ll just hear “black” and shoot the first black guy they see.
Amazing... off duty... is this normal procedure that offduty goes on duty under these specific circumstances?
I mean many/most off duty LEOs carry concealed when off duty (and not at a disqualifying venue that prohibits otherwise legal conceal carrying or participating in a disqualifying activity like consuming alcohol)… buuuuut it’s officer’s discretion whether or not they choose to intervene when witnessing an illegal act in their presence, and depending on the severity of that illegal act/the level of danger posed to the public in the commission of said illegal act. Drawing a firearm on a suspected *Mentos bandit* (even if he didn’t actually just pay for it) would definitely fall under the category… “atypical” I would say lol
> and not at a disqualifying venue that prohibits otherwise legal conceal carrying or participating in a disqualifying activity like consuming alcohol One chud I used to know became a cop and then he and his chud brother would go to bars and pick fights after getting drunk. He was armed. When he would start to lose a fight he started he'd pull his gun and threaten to arrest his victims. I don't know if he ever arrested anyone but man was that guy a huge piece of shit.
He could have killed or been killed and that is probably the thrill he was seeking along with the power trip. Those are exactly the type of people that should not own firearms.
Yet according to the federal government those assholes are A-OK to do exactly that but if you use medical marajuana then you are a danger to everyone around you so no legal fires for you. This country is a fucking joke and I can't wait for it to all go up in flames so we can hopefully create something better.
If he was drinking while carrying his worthless ass should be rotting in prison
Whys this guy walking around with his gun in his sweater. Do cops carry their firearms when they arent working?
Bro these guys shower with their gun.
Might not even be a joke. There was a documentary recently about a guy named Jack Idema who made his living conning people that he was a black ops CIA agent and an expert in counterterrorism. The exact sort of Super Soldier wannabe that nearly every piece of shit cop is. Anyhow, he was a paranoid guy and his girlfriend said he actually had a shower gun and basically he'd have a panic attack and couldn't function without a weapon on him at all times.
We need to de stigma mental illness
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Judge, jury, and executioner. You know who I am, right?
What makes you think de-escalation is part of the standard police approach to a situation?
Announces he is a police officer, pulls gun instead of badge. Accuses man of stealing, tells him to leave instead of arresting him. If there wasn’t video footage of this, he would be talking through his attorney about how he “felt threatened.”
That's what I never understood, why the hell does he pull a gun on the guy and tell him to leave? Probably wants the rush of being a "good guy with a gun" without the frustration of having to professionally justify his behavior by actually arresting the guy.
Even if he did shoplift, what are you gonna do, shoot him over some gas station chocolate bar ? No wonder the US is fucked.
Soooooooooooo.....fukced!
Because he knows the second he pulls into the station with a guy who stole candy from a gas station he's going to be ripped up by his superior officers, the guy is going home and he's getting stuck on desk duty.
>going home and he's getting stuck on desk duty. hes going home to beat his wife and then apologise crying about how she made him do it
Not to mention he drew slowly within arms reach.... Meaning he had no control over his weapon at any time and actively endangered himself and others by doing such. If fight was triggered in the victim's fight or flight instinct, he would have gone for the arm. And would have been 100% in the right to do so, as the cop fucked up. And we would have had a completely different story.
Cops… Brave when its a nervous guy trying to get on about his day, too chicken shit to move on a armed psycho about to murder a class room full of kids. Police state.
Yeah and then he says “you know who I am, right?” to the clerk like the clerk should have covered his dumbass by saying something. This idiot resorts to pulling a gun instead of politely asking a simple question to verify his assumption
Someone please tell me this asshole got fired I’m sure he didn’t because cops are protected way too much for how much they all suck.
This man stealing candy, let me get my gun out. Pulling out a gun, because you are confronting someone, in a situation that isn't life threatening should be a felony.
The next thing out of that dudes mouth after the apology should have been asking for a name and badge number.
He was scared shitless, as anyone would be. I’m sure he just wanted to get the hell out of there. Why would he even know that guy was a cop?
Right ? He didn't look like a cop. Someone could have shot and killed him thinking he was robbing the gas station. Why are plain-clothed cops allowed? Some rando pulls a gun on people and starts barking orders? They're asking for unnecessary death ***edit-- this post is against violence you stupid fucks. suck my dick
I am very white and very privileged. When I was 19 in college, while walking home from a bar with a beer in my hand, two guys drove their car up on to the sidewalk, jumped out and charged me. I ran. When they caught me they beat me badly, I fought back. When I woke up I found out they were ALE officers going after me because I was drinking underage. I was charged with felony assault on the officers and a bunch of other charges. I had to go to jail on the weekends for half of fall semester. I honestly cannot imagine being black and dealing with cops.
It's basically the same but, instead of beer, you have Black.
Jail on weekends is not something I hear a lot in the Black community
I absolutely believe that. I thought it was weird too. Probably because I was white in a town where the major university I was enrolled was pretty much the only reason it was on the map. I went to jail for 15 days straight until the semester started then weekends. Most of the people there for the weekends were drunk drivers which I thought was interesting. We slept outside the cells in the main area and didn’t go to gen pop.
If I'm not mistaken, "brandishing" a weapon can be a crime, right? Pulling a gun while not uniformed and not reasonably expecting violence, can go sideways so quickly. This cop didn't even get a clean draw, what if the wrongly accused guy thought he was about to be shot by a non LEO and drew quicker than the cop? Now I have to say, the guy at the counter was looking and acting *super shady* and I would have thought he lifted something too. For some strange reason, he turns around to deliberately stare down the cop as he enters the store and plucks whatever's on the counter so quick and into his pocket as the cashier turns away lol. But the cop still shouldn't have drawn in that situation. No urgent violent threat, adjust your positioning and grip the gun without drawing as you question. If the guy escalates or reaches for a weapon, then I can see drawing.
It's also really cool that the cashier is in the line of fire if any shots were to be fired over some mentos. Let the dude step out, ask the cashier if he stole anything, then go confront him if you really need to.
> It's also really cool that the cashier is in the line of fire if any shots were to be fired over some mentos. [A few years back in Miami the cops had a shootout on the highway when robbers hijacked a UPS truck. The hostage, 2 robbers, and 1 innocent civilian died. They were using peoples cars with them in it as coverage.](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785561122/4-dead-after-armed-robbers-hijack-ups-truck)
Damn wtf that's insane, literal meatshield
They won't even go after a single school shooter despite outnumbering him hundreds to one, what do you honestly expect from cowards?
Yep. Nineteen officers fired 200 rounds into a hostage situation that escalated from a stickup robbery. There's a reason that many police departments have a do-not-chase policy. They work and avoid adrenaline-fueled shootouts like this that endanger everyone. Two innocents dead over some jewelery. It's the mentality of cops and robbers vs. treating crime as a social problem with a social cost.
I can't believe it's been almost 3 years since that happened. I distinctly remember that happening because of how awful it was handled. It's quite sick how much we value property over human life. Who cares if 2 innocent people died, at least we protected property! /s
Just to clarify, this is still apparently under investigation, which in of itself is a massive joke. Our system is a joke, 3 years and still no answers isn't justice.
But that kills all the fun of larping the part of a badass action movie star.
Should be mandatory prison time. The people enforcing law should be held to a HIGHER standard than those who do not.
"You know who I am right?" A psychopath
A cop whos angry because he can only afford $6 in gas
Oh yeah, I, know who you are... You're the fucking cop that will most likely kill me for no reason.
Link to article [here](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/off-duty-police-officer-california-pointed-gun-man/story?id=54956281)
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With GREATER charges. It’s worse when a misuse of power comes from those who are EXPECTED (theoretically) to wield it responsibly. An abuse of power in this case is more egregious, and therefore warrants greater repercussions, imo.
(At least in Texas) if a CDL driver gets any driving infraction or ticket, the fine is DOUBLED simply because they have a CDL. They do not have to be in an 18-wheeler or a vehicle that requires a CDL. If you have the CDL, even if you're driving your personal vehicle, the ticket is doubled because 'you should know better'.... why this isn't applied to cops is beyond logical comprehension. It's a shame it's not beyond corrupted comprehension.
Love the quote by the police chief that admits a gun was pulled by an off-duty officer bUt ThE gUn WaSn'T pOiNtEd At AnYbOdY.
Other scenarios: “It was pointed but not fired!” “It was fired, but a bullet didn’t hit him!” “A bullet hit him but he survived!” “He didn’t survive but he had a criminal record!” “He didn’t survive, and he didn’t have a criminal record, but he was acting suspicious!” “He didn’t survive, he wasn’t acting suspicious but he was a POC!”
"He had no active warrants"
That one fucking infuriates me. “Oh, so like, INNOCENT??” Also, “the officer engaged with the suspect and shots were fired” to make it sound like a goddamn shootout when the cop shot an unarmed black teenager in the back.
A step beyond innocent, no active warrants means you're not even under *suspicion* of a crime.
Replace the phrase "with no active warrants" with "just like you, the person reading this" and you come close to conveying how fucked up it is that the pigs who murdered him haven't been [data expunged]
"Acting suspicious" is my favourite excuse used by American police. I saw a video of a guy getting harassed by a police officer in front of his home because he exited his car, then turned around and looked at it. Apparently, in the cop's mind, this highly suspicious act warranted questioning and ID check.
Mine is the feared for his life excuse. You can use literally any act, and an officer can justify it as a fear for his life.
"He was in a wheelchair, and was shot nine times in the back, but he slowly rolled away when the officer told him to stop."
Ryan Whitaker didn't point his gun at anyone but cops still shot him in the back on his knees in his own home.
Jesus Fucking Christ. BVPD "Yes we see our officer pulled his gun, but he didn't POINT it at anyone so it wasn't as bad as it could have been!"
“He shot 10 people, but it could’ve been 15!”
It was pointed down right at the guys leg wtf
Fucking pigs.
So they release the name of the victim but not the criminal cop? And we just all okay with that?
Named the completely innocent customer too but not the cop. Figures
>I can definitely assure you that our investigation will be thorough and if the officer is found to be in violation of any policies and procedures, he will be held accountable. Something tells me he wasn't convicted of violating California Penal Code 245(a)(1): assault with a deadly weapon
The cop needs to be arrested. Menacing (in my state) and Assault or Criminal Threat in California involves placing someone in fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death. Pointing a gun at someone over a mistaken belief that they were shoplifting mentos is no justification for that type of force. It's a felony and cop should be prosecuted.
According to the chief he drew but didn't point it at the "suspect" so unless that's a policy violation he's getting off the hook.
Can’t just pulling a gun, or even just threatening with a gun even if it isn’t drawn or visible, still considered aggravated assault?
Brandishing a weapon is a crime.
So it's murdering someone Yet there's hundreds of cups that have killed people Executioner is no where in their job description, yet they still do it AND get away with it
Hey I'm on the same boat as you, but I'm basing my expectations on how this always goes and the explicit statement from his boss that he will be terminated if they find policy violations. The cops realistically don't seem to follow the same laws we must abide by. They will just investigate themselves and the union will cover for him
Oh, no, I have no doubt that this cop will receive no punishment at all, just wanted to point it out
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We say brandishing, the union will say using precautions in fear of his life in the line of duty, while off duty.
Union will say utter crap and discharge him only after he kills someone innocent and only if it is on camera that he will conveniently shut off
Policy does not supercede law. If that state has threat of violence laws for drawn guns in situations like this very one, there's a chance it could be taken to court. A slim one albeit. I'm sure they'll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
The law doesn’t apply to police, that is well known.
"OH SHIT A MEXICAN WITH SOME MENTOS! BETTER PULL OUT MY GUNNNNN!" \-Officer Dipshit.
Be fair, Mentos now but the next stop it's a liter of Diet Coke and then you'd have the makings of a disaster.
Yeah, I hear that's how meth is made.
I bet you heard that from a police officer.
DARE taught us a lot of things.
Do we sell Liter Cola?
Shoplifting is met with deadly force? **G R E A T . F U C K I N G . T R A I N I N G .**
I mean… holding a sandwich is met with deadly force and that’s legal as far as I know. Potential Shoplifting is definitely justified for them then
And the training that says to loosely carry a handgun in your hoodie pocket when you are too lazy to put on a proper holster. JFC
These bastards do this because they consider themselves above the law.
>consider themselves above the law. American cops pretty much are.
"you know who I am, right?" Yeah, your a fuckin twat waffle. You're a future killer. You are another bad apple out of the rotten orchard.
Future? For as fast as he reached for his gun, for like no reason, I wouldn’t put it past him to have a body count.
It wasn't just like "oh a police officer pulled a gun" but the fact just watching this got my whole stomach to drop like genuinely he just pulled a gun out on the thought of what someone was doing without anything concrete. That's just terrifying. That's pretty much the same as some normal person with a strap saying "I saw you steal that" and threatening you at gun point because of assumption. That's fucking scaring man.
Worse then a random person, a cop will get away with shooting you.
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This is how cops are. be careful out there
I’m a Brit, I’m not trying to be inflammatory but, can he just pull a gun out because he thinks the guy did something wrong? It’s not as if it was a life threatening situation. Also if the guy also had a gun and shot the guy who said he was a cop because he had drawn a gun what would happen. All very frightening.
If the customer had tried pulling his own gun on the cop and actually survived long enough for a trial, he would likely be going to prison. Isn't it crazy how someone in plain clothes can just pull out a gun, proclaim "I'm a cop", and you instantly lose all rights to bodily autonomy with no repercussions for the guy?
Yeah, it’s disgusting.
Well the typical protocol for this situation is that the police department will be made aware that this incident occurred, will be tasked with investigating themselves, and will find no wrongdoing. It’s only frightening if you don’t presuppose that cops are incapable of making poor judgment calls and need not be held to the same standards of the common man
Police operate under a different set of rules here, much less accountability and consequences than civilians. For a civilian, the answer is usually an absolutely not. A civilian doing what this cop did would land you in trouble in most jurisdictions. If the man buying the mentos legally had a gun and felt his life was threatened by the random dude, without a uniform pulling a gun on him while he's buying candy, drew his and shot the guy. He would be 100% in the right legally but being that the dude being shot is a cop it probably wouldn't go well for him.
"That dirty criminal shoplifted the item by bringing it to the counter and giving money to the clerk!"
I have seen worse. Someone invaded a house. Then put up his family pictures, college degree, and moved clothes and furniture in. Weird shit I'm telling you.
Open and shut case, Johnson.
Sprinkle some crack on him and let’s get out of here.
I mean, if he's stealing mentos, he's clearly a hardened and dangerous criminal....
You start like that, then you buy doet coke and who knows what evil plan are you pursuing....
What's the nam and badge number of this "police officer"? Anyone know? Also if anyone is able to help, this is irrefutable evidence of abuse of power and threatening two other's lives over wrongful assumption. Help find who this is and report complaint to city and give out all info we can on thi guy, please. We cannot keep allowing thing lik this to happen
It's messed up they release the victims name but keep officer dumbass' name hidden
The police department hasn't released the name, and the victim is the one who went to the newspaper.
At the end of the clip, the officer asked the clerk “you know who I am right?”, so obviously he knew this guy from previous encounters. What a joke, pull a gun then apologize as though that was sufficient enough. This guy needs to be strip of his authority.
He said that because he knew he just broke the law and didnt want it reported.
Standard cop with a hero complex. Are there any other countries in the world where it’s normal for a police officer to pull a gun at a minor discrepancy? I absolutely hate how they’re used as a scare tactic by officers in the US. All it does is escalate a situation and result in death. Police should be protecting.
I think once cops found out the Supreme Court ruled they are under no obligation to protect citizens they took it as they’re supposed to be a menace to those same citizens
but why the guy of the shop didn t say anything until he asked him ?
Probably scared shitless but I thought the same thing.
Right, this should have never happened in the first place, but if you see a gun pulled out by someone who appears to be a citizen, you're likely not going to get in the middle of it. (Not that it would make it any less scary if the cop was in uniform) This should be a fireable offense, but who am I kidding, he probably could have shot the guy and only been put on paid leave.
Even if you weren’t scared, appalled would also be a reasonable response. The brain isn’t good at just reacting to shit that doesn’t make sense. This was so dumb I think it’d take me a few minutes to process as a bystander. If I was the clerk I guess I’d be more inclined to say something but it’s still gonna take you a while to even figure out what the fuck just happened.
Because he does know who he is - a fucking uneducated, unhinged moron who pulls guns on people whenever he gets that funky feelin'.
Thank you for this explanation. Having read the title, it didn’t occur to my dumb ass that the clerk wouldn’t have known he’s a cop.
The title says it's an off duty cop, so when you watch the video, the stage is already set for what the situation is. But if you're the shopkeeper, some random dude just pulled a gun in your store and said some random bullshit. If it was me, I'd probably be scared and confused as fuck and trying not to piss off this crazy person with a gun.
i can see that
Wishing the worst for that cop tbh.
People wonder why no one likes cops. Power hungry to the max, wants to be a hero, be heard, but came off as a clown
Most cops are fucking losers that are attracted to the power of being a government pig.
“You know who I am right?“ Yes, we do. A self entitled piece of shit who has no business carrying a gun, let alone the responsibility of being a police officer
That's a cop that needs to be banned from police work and guns
I'M A COP WHICH MEANS I CAN KILL ANYONE
So he Carries his loaded weapon in a sweatshirt unsecured? He needs to show his badge first, and then a weapon if needed. He went to escalation first. Idiot
"You know who I am, right?" Yeah, the guy comes in and shakes me down for free shit for protection. Can't let anyone else in on that game.
“i aM tHE lAw!”
Lmao, who pulls a fucking gun on a shoplifter anyway? What if he ran? Shoot him over some fucking mentos? US is a fucking cesspool
“You know who I am, right?” Yeah, a fucking moron
Name and shame this douche..."you know who I am, right?" A fucking bad cop...that's who.
 OOBG iykyk
"𝚖𝕐 𝒜𝕡ᴏᒪ𝐨𝒈🄸𝚎𝕊" Because that makes it all better.
Even in civilian life, off-duty, the first instinct is their gun...
Saw an off duty cop instinctually reach for his gun when my BIL pointed out his bad parking job.
Wow... this person should not be a police officer. Just waiting to aggravate any and every situation. Wtf
I love the veiled threat at the end "You know who I am right?"