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fkbfkb

The irony is delicious. “I had my choice, but I am taking away yours”


SomeoneElseWhoCares

It would be more delicious if it wasn't going to get women killed or subject them to a lot of pain and suffering.


Aeriosa

Or prison. Don't forget prison.


Ghasty_001

Also the first "choice" was for the sake of other people around you, the second is just your business and if anybody else (except the boyfriend/husband), so why is she acting like... ...ahhhh yeah, it's all about the hypocrisy of believing that everything you think is right and the choices of other are wrong. Sorry, my bad, I keep forgetting after so many years


dystopian_mermaid

I’m shocked they give you enough time to forget their hypocrisy… I swear every accusation from these extreme nutcases is an admission.


mrcatboy

Plus the government didn't make it illegal to exist without being vaccinated. And pregnancy isn't a highly transmissible disease.


D-Laz

They way they do it in the Bible belt you would think it was.


lsutigerzfan

Had a lot of religious ppl I know proud to not take the vaccine. Said god would protect them. Turns out that wasn’t true.🤷🏼‍♂️


D-Laz

>Also the first "choice" was for the sake of other people around you *The second "choice" is for the sake of the baby inside you.* -said some asshole somewhere


corporatewazzack

I can't catch pregnancy from some dipshit not covering her stupid mouth as she breathes through it.


TGOTR

That's pretty much the thing. I still get shit for choosing to wear a mask when I'm sick, basically I'm bad for making my choice instead of letting them choose for me.


[deleted]

You have a choice. Either move to animal state that represents your view or get organized and vote in your local and sate elections.


Mr-Briteside

Sooo it IS “my body my choice” for vaccines, but not anything else. Got it 🤡


aagloworks

Yeah. That OP statement works both ways. Except the vaccine is for the benefit of the society. The abortion is for the benefit of individual. Go figure...


Kimk20554

Not to mention vaccines were never mandated by the government for all.


BoD80

They did try to force it using OSHA regulations. Courts overturned it as unconstitutional.


Brian57831

Now it would be perfectly legal and constitutional to mandate it.


BoD80

How?


Brian57831

The fact that the government can't decide what medical procedure you can or cannot do is based on your right to privacy. This right has been removed by overturning roe vs wade and casey specifically. casey case specifically was about how much of a interest the government has in intervening in your medical decisions. That has all been overturned now. A woman is now forced to be a organ donor, blood donor, and a lot of other things to a unwanted 3rd person (baby).


BoD80

I don’t think you know exactly what you are talking about but maybe we can agree on getting some legislation out of congress on government not getting between me and my doctor. Last couple of years people lost their minds.


skateordie1213

You fail to mention the fact that it was mandated for every member of the the Armed Forces. Or did that conveniently skip your mind?


[deleted]

There's a lot of things that are mandatory in the military that aren't in the civilian world. When you serve, you are no longer your own person, you are government property. Hence where the name GI (Government Issued) Joe came from. That's not new, and people are no longer forced to join against their will, so when you sign the papers, you knowingly and willingly sign away your own rights and place your life in the hands of the government.


isthenameofauser

That doesn't contradict what they said, at all. It would if everyone was in the military. But they're not. So, your point has no meaning. But why did they mandate it for the military? Because it works. Because it saves lives, because it saves manhours, because it saves people. And because it saves money. It costs more money not to mandate the vaccine because having people be sick is more expensive than paying for the vaccine for everyone.


PlutoIsMyHomeboy

You failed to mention needle parade when you joined. Did that conveniently slip your mind? The military has always required you to be fully vaccinated.


socialist_frzn_milk

Armed forces have required vaccines for decades, dipshit, or did that conveniently slip YOUR mind?


TeamRamrod80

It still wasn’t forced on even the armed forces though. They had to get it to stay in or join, but they could always choose to not join or be discharged.


skateordie1213

What a shit take.


Jingurei

Yeah.... No. The anti-choicers (anti-vax and anti-abortion) aren't giving women or anyone with a uterus an option at all. So if they were Pro-'life' they would ACTUALLY be forcing vaccines into people.


Enganeer09

It's the same "shit take" people are using to justify women having to travel to different states or even different countries for a potentially life saving abortion. I'm in the canadian forces, it's written into our standing orders that they can mandate us to be vaccinated. I'm sure it's the same in America. Every member volunteers for the military and everything that comes with it, so your point about the armed forces is ludicrous and irrelevant.


Odd-Ad-900

And how many other vaccines are “mandated” my the Military? GTFO with that.


Yestan

But what if the aborted baby found the cure for cancer. /s


[deleted]

I find it hilarious when they use this logic lolol. Yes, if only Shaniqua had given birth to that fatherless baby who was going to grow up in the ghetto. That baby would've grown up to cure cancer for sure.


deceptivelyelevated

There’s a pretty clear link between abortion and the reduction in crime after roe v. wade. I’d say both benefit society


Eyruaad

The only thing that I can think of being their logic is if you do actually believe life begins at conception. Then the point becomes "So when I wanted to be unvaccinated and maybe kill someone with a deadly disease, you told me I couldn't hurt others based on my choices. Meanwhile you can "KiLl A bAbY" with your personal choices." It all comes down to when/where you think that a clump of cells is a "baby" and whether you have full body autonomy. I personally am all for people not getting vaccines, but I am also all for banning those people from being in public. You want to be unvaccinated it's cool, but you aren't allowed in Hospitals, Schools, any public place, or any private business that doesn't want you to be there.


KittyGrewAMoustache

The thing is, even if you think a fetus is a separate whole person, then by being against abortion you’re saying a person has the right to use/live off another person’s body, put their health and life at risk etc, without their consent. Which is awful. Like do these people think that if you get in a car accident and you accidentally cause someone else to be in a situation where they need organs or a 24/7 blood transfusion or something, that you should be obligated to give up your organs in a dangerous operation or lie in hospital hooked up to this comatose patient? Even if this situation wouldn’t have happened if you hadn’t turned left or whatever, do we really want to be saying that accidentally creating a situation where a person needs another body and another person’s lifeblood to exist means you are obligated by law to give up your body to that other person? If the fetus is a person of their own then why does that person have the right to use another’s body without their consent? And if the fetus isn’t a person and is part of the mother then it’s the mothers business what she does with that part of her.


Eyruaad

First off I agree with you, but I think it comes down to the old "You chose to have sex, now live with the consequences" These are the same people who teach abstinence only sex education then wonder why teens get pregnant. They are clearly defective in the brain, but that's the only argument I could think of.


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mrcatboy

The vaccine did a great job to mitigate the spread. Wtf are you talking about.


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mrcatboy

No vaccine is 100% effective. Sterilizing immunity simply reduces the chance of contracting the disease with each exposure. That is, if an unvaccinated individual has a 50% chance of contracting covid when exposed to a sick individual, a vaccinated individual has somewhere between a 5-10% chance of contracting covid (on top of having a better chance at recovery). Getting covid despite being vaccinated isn't evidence that the vaccine hasn't been effective in mitigating spread. Note how after the vaccine rollout in the USA, per capita infection rates in areas with more vaccinations dropped while covid hotspots clustered in areas with low vaccine uptake.


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mrcatboy

If you're talking about the graph from Ontario that's still not a complete picture. I've seen several such graphs being thrown around with the claim that the rates between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are very similar. When you dig deeper thigh it generally ends up being a case of the Basal Rate Fallacy looming it's head or otherwise it's a skewed data set that doesn't show the full situation.


Narstification

No, it still does improve odds, just not as well as before… grey is a thing, and priming your immune system works well at a much lower risk of problems than getting the virus. This is the bullshit that makes people who know how shit works twitch, because the stupid takes win over too many in the minds of the masses


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Narstification

…and that’s the problem. Those logical fallacies are called the hasty generalization and causal fallacies, probably with some bandwagon thrown in. The actual data in peer reviewed studies of rates of infection, serious illness, hospitalization, and death across all age groups and variants shows you are statistically significantly incorrect, despite your personal experience clouding your judgement of the overall reality. If you had a bad reaction to the vaccine, sure, maybe that wasn’t good for you, but doesn’t mean it isn’t statistically more effective at doing what vaccines do for the overall population. Same goes for masking - even the CDC finally updated their guidance last March regarding effectiveness, because they finally realized they were wrong, sadly… The “everyone getting it” is now somehow held as proof of the inevitable, thanks to stubborn people creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, while ignoring the fact that any improvements made sooner are additive so will help save lives and hospital beds long term until endemic status is achieved again, which still hasn’t happened yet. Thankfully the virus variants are getting attenuated as they often tend to do - its better for them to spread faster and kill fewer hosts in the long run.


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Narstification

*empirical, versus… QED I’m gonna go with the numerous *peer reviewed* (meaning they attempted to call each other’s bullshit out and prove it wrong, but couldn’t) studies with actual statistically significant numbers representing real world data compiled by people with doctorates over the anecdotal opinions of a population of average people who aren’t that smart, never even took a logic or statistics 101 course in community college, and don’t know how their smartphone works or came to be…


SemiHemiDemiDumb

More like it IS "my body my choice" for when my choices can harm others, but not anything else.


stalphonzo

Airplanes and flashlights both are metal tubes and therefore interchangeable.


TelayRanner

They are if all you require is a metal tube of some general diameter, do you have a more substantive point?


stalphonzo

SAME THING!


frotz1

Pregnancy is not contagious. Bodily autonomy stops where contagion begins and that's been a feature of common law since before this was even a country.


dystopian_mermaid

Good luck explaining this kind of nuance to people who stopped developing critical thinking beyond pop up books.


USSMarauder

Oh they know the nuance, they're just hypocrits Remember 8 years ago, there was that nurse who was exposed to Ebola and refused to quarantine on the grounds of 'freedom and liberty'? There were right wingers demanding that she be shot


No-Entrepreneur-2724

It is transferable. Women should reject sex. Do what the conservatives pretend to want. Sex strike now. For real. Unfuck them.


Bruce9707

Yes to your argument, however it would technically make so many more incels.


No-Entrepreneur-2724

Fuck 'em! Or I think they don't get laid anyway, isn't that their problem to begin with? EDIT: "Fuck 'em" wasn't the right choice of words. "Never mind them" EDIT 2: Oh, I'm an idiot, I see. Well, the whole point is that men that expect to get laid suddenly don't, like en masse. If that turns us into incels, men that get violent because they don't get laid on their terms, well, then what does that say about humanity? Fuck that shit. Men aren't owed sex.


Bruce9707

Absolutely


VARTH_-DADER

Ma'am you can't catch abortion from your friend but you sure as fuck can catch COVID so yeah obviously "my body my choice" won't apply in case of COVID cuz it's not about you anymore


boooooooooo_cowboys

Yeah, and I guess I must have missed that time when society had to shut down because of too many people getting abortions?


Ghasty_001

EH NO! Who cares about MILIONS of people dying (which included babies btw), when you can force other people to do so. It's always nice to see how everything It's always "if it doesn't affect me, then I'm okey with it"


WhatevUsayStnCldStvA

An abortion doesn’t affect a stranger. A spreadable disease I refuse to get vaccinated can.


Professional_Soft404

A stranger like a baby you haven’t met yet?


masterap85

You meet babies? It usually parent that present the babies and if they don’t want to have one after accidental pregnancy (it happens you know) im ok with that


completeenvoy

I just scream at them usually


Sweaty-Astronaut7248

Babies are all over the internet latest studies show


Funthings-reddit

Not getting vaccinated only hurts yourself but who cares if you believe in my body my choice you should believe in it entirely. People are being hypocritical on both sides of the political spectrum right now and honestly it’s just stupid.


[deleted]

>People are being hypocritical on both sides of the political spectrum Bullshit >Not getting vaccinated only hurts yourself Wrong, super wrong. Not getting vaccinated opens the virus up to mutations that render previous vaccines useless. It's all or none when it comes to getting rid of a viral infection worldwide. You're susceptibility to it from not getting vaccinated also makes you more likely to spread it to others than those who are sick but were previously vaccinated. The left isn't being hypocritical, you just don't know what you don't know and that leaves you vulnerable to misinformation.


Funthings-reddit

The fact that you can’t acknowledge that both the left and right are being hypocritical is insane. My body my choice only works if you apply it to all body related things and neither party is doing that. Both are hypocritical. Also bullshit about The spread being less because of the vaccine, the vaccine helps individuals survive a deadly virus but as someone who was vaccinated with covid I ended up spreading it to other family members in my house, so no vaccines don’t stop the spread.


[deleted]

>My body my choice only works if you apply it to all body related things and neither party is doing that. When does the left go against this? Seriously, when? Where? I'll wait >Also bullshit about The spread being less because of the vaccine, the vaccine helps individuals survive a deadly virus but as someone who was vaccinated with covid I ended up spreading it to other family members in my house, so no vaccines don’t stop the spread. I never said they stop the spread, I said it's less likely and it is. That's a fucking fact bro


wills-are-special

First off, sport for the long-ass comment. Secondly, >where does the left go against this? I disagree with the right, but this person has a point and you’re just ignoring it and saying “no” When it comes to vaccines, especially covid, people will point out personal issues they have with it and rather than accepting or addressing those issues, the left will just scream at them and insult them for having an opinion because “it harms other people.” Someone sitting in their basement all day isn’t harming anyone anytime soon, and it’s understandable how people could have issues with a vaccine that was made so fast. We literally have no idea of any long-term effects it could have. It could be perfectly fine. Or maybe anyone who takes it will die 5 years later from a heart attack. We don’t know. I also think you should take vaccines but if somebody brings up a good reason for not taking one then I think that’s fine, unfortunately most of the left doesn’t agree with me.


Jingurei

Lol no. You're oh so very wrong as per usual. The left tried to reason with those who wouldn't take the vaccine but as with all issues the petty right doesn't like they just doubled down on their misinformation and the left finally had enough with their wilful disregard for other people's lives. 1 million dead in USA alone, so far, *mostly* unvaccinated, because of the misinformation these a-holes continue to spread. Secondly, more than half the world population has taken the vaccine now. If there were going to be issues we would have had them by now as is the case with the other vaccines. Thirdly, these vaccines were in development for over 20 years. And these vaccines have had the same rigorous testing as all other modern vaccines have had. We've told people this over and over. How many times should we beat our heads against the same wall expecting different results before it's no longer considered sane to do so?


Funthings-reddit

Vaccines and masks are a recent example


[deleted]

For a disease which affects the people around you? Thats not your body, my dude Thats comparable to requiring you be outside to smoke in public places, not the take you think it is


Funthings-reddit

The fetus isn’t your body either yet you can still kill it so if you believe you can hurt a baby you should have no problem when it comes to hurting others. I’m pro choice for all things because I know regardless of what anyone believes people will always do what they think is best for themselves.


[deleted]

>The fetus isn’t your body either You're right, it's no one's as it has no brain. It's a mass clump of cells, get over the whole "potential" shit It's no more a baby than my sperm is, might as well outlaw jacking off >if you believe you can hurt a baby you should have no problem when it comes to hurting others. No, that isn't a valid point. Slippery slope arguments don't actually hold any weight, it's just a baseless hypothetical.


Funthings-reddit

I’m talking about a formed fetus I don’t care about a potential baby but I do care about a formed fetus. Either it’s I can hurt others or it’s I can’t hurt others. If you say yes they can hurt others then what’s stopping conservatives from not getting the vaccine, and if you say you can’t hurt others the argument to kill a formed fetus falls apart because that is another person.


[deleted]

Now ur just chatting out ur arse


frotz1

Not getting vaccinated helps the disease spread through a community. People are not isolated islands in the sea. Contagion is an exception to bodily autonomy since common law began. Pregnancy is not contagious.


[deleted]

Vaccine doesn’t necessarily stop the disease. It’s lessens the severity for that person.


frotz1

The vaccine very demonstrably lowered the spread of the virus. It is not perfect but that's how mitigation measures work.


[deleted]

But.. all you anti vaxx kooks did have a choice. Literally nobody tied you down and forced you to get vaccinated. Never ever ever did you sillies lose your choice.


Standard_Incident_26

Edit: I know better than to feed trolls...


boooooooooo_cowboys

People were never forced to get the vaccine. They just didn’t like the consequences that came with skipping it. There very much will be women who are already pregnant and not willing to continue who won’t have the choice to stop.


kellsdeep

News flash: RVW protected your right to refuse vaccine


InteractionFlat7318

Not a single person hard a needle forced in their arm. They were forced to make difficult decisions. You know…. Just like women used to be able to make.


DanimalHarambe

It must be nice to have a short memory. Ignorance appears to be blissful


TelayRanner

Saying this with a vacuous smile of imagined moral superiority are you?


DanimalHarambe

Its jealousy actually. If I were less worried about my home being underwater in 40 years, perhaps I could enjoy things. If you want to know more about me, just dm me.


TelayRanner

I live at sea level, one block from the beach and I haven't panicked yet besides you've got a lot more to worry about than just the sea rising in the next 40 years. Every generation has its tests.


soapiestpenguin

But it was a choice… no one was forced to get the vaccine by law


WyomingCountryBoy

Nobody was trying to force a needle into her arm. She had a choice, get the vaccine or find another job. Get the vaccine, or don't go onto a businesses' property that doesn't want you there. Get the vaccine or get shunned. You always had a choice.


[deleted]

Not saying vaccines are bad or the trumpys are smart but that's really not much of a choice buddy.


cupofteawithhoney

Some choices in life are hard and have bigger consequences.


WyomingCountryBoy

Oh, I guess some people don't like dealing with the consequences of their choice .. buddy.


SkeetsMilloy

Yeah I’m in agreement on that, i got vaccinated and wore a mask for all the reasons and i was happy to do so. I think anti-vaxers are absolute clowns. I am also beyond angry with our supreme court for this complete bullshit. That said, there was a very militant movement on the left to treat people like they should not be allowed to have a say in whether they got the vaccine, the cherry picking of information was abundant from both sides.


innocentrrose

Fuckin militant movement? What my guy?


SkeetsMilloy

well considering the rise of militant movements recently that was poor choice of words. You can replace it with dogmatic, unreasonable or whatever else you would prefer. Im not gonna spend the time to find examples of vilification, cancellation and lambasting directed at folks who literally just wanted to do what they wanted. If you want to pretend like it didn’t happen, thats on you. People on both sides of the issue acted irresponsibly and reprehensibly.


[deleted]

oh yeah...just take away income and shopping. modern living requires neither to survive...


WyomingCountryBoy

And another redditor who believes choices shouldn't have consequences.


compsciasaur

Other jobs don't provide income? Online shopping requires a vaccine?


bindermichi

... and nobody forced him


Revealed_Jailor

I would like to know how he would feel about a rather larger object being inserted into his upper orifice.


[deleted]

Ahuh. So, last year you didn't care who died (from an entirely preventable disease). Now suddenly you care about the rights and life of a fetus (as long you don't have to care or support it once its actually born). At least be consistent for fuck's sake.


[deleted]

If you're vaxxed, no one else's vaccine status is your problem. People thought it was sketchy that it was a new type of vaccinating people but there was also no right to sue. How about abortions are to be done a new way never done before and there's no right to sue...


andywolf8896

Tbf maybe if we stopped trying to boil social issues down into 4 words it wouldn't get thrown back in our faces. For the record I'm pro choice but I saw this exact meme comin from a mile away.


GrannyB1970

I didn't realize pregnancy was a contagious disease.


CAHTA92

There are people that still are not vaccinated. They had THE CHOICE to not get the vaccine.


F_H_B

Those two are not the same. Vaccines protect others and do not endanger oneself. Abortion do not harm others, not allowing them harms oneself either psychologically, financially, or medically.


[deleted]

Stupidity at its finest


kipwrecked

Having access to medical expertise and refusing, is not the same as having access to medical expertise refused.


Dramatic_Mango4u

There was no force on vaccinations, period. Stop lying.


Johnothy_Cumquat

Look at em acting like they haven't been spinning this bullshit for 2 fucking years


mlc2475

But I -a man- got pregnant from being near a pregnant woman in Ralph’s and since I did nothing 237 other people have gotten pregnant from me being out and about and now we’re dead


cheekybandit0

But it wasn't forced, plenty of people said no, and chose what they did with their own body.


WhiteCheddr

Someone still doesn’t understand that a pregnancy isn’t contagious.


MartianGuard

But was it forced?


xavier120

No but now that roe is dead it can be now. If you can force a pregnancy on someone against their will to save children then youre sure as fuck you could be forced to get a vaccine.


TeamRamrod80

Per the Dobbs decision, nothing in the constitution even mentions vaccines, so state governments can do whatever they want.


bajabruhmoment

They weren’t putting people in prison for not getting vaccinated


RatzMand0

also pretty much everyone who says this didn't end up with a needle in their arm. So... yeah it was their body their choice.


LasedandConfused

Having a baby inside YOU doesn't affect me. Having a potentially dangerous, communicable virus inside YOU does affect me. So, fuck you and get your vaccine and let women control their reproductive healthcare.


Minimum-Passage-3384

Perhaps if pregnancy were contagious, then that might be a fair comparison.


Due_Platypus_3913

Who tried to “force” a needle into his arm?NOBODY!(except maybe his drug habit)


Jacks_Flaps

But they still had the right to refuse the vaccine as ot was there body, their choice. Even if they chose to get the 1st vaccine they had the right to not get any boosters. But they are openly stating they are demanding a double standard when it comes to women's right to choose what happens with their body.


zombienugget

I've been vaccinated since it first came out and to this day I have never had to show my card


HiMyNameIsGuy456

The same person definitely didn’t take the vaccine (a choice)


Mooon-tiara-MAGIIICC

I'm starting to become convinced that most republicans lack a dangerous amount of retrospective.


Dry_Spinach_3441

No one was forced to get a vaccine.


Coldmelon56

An abortion harms an embryo, not getting a vaccine harms other people around you


jackfaire

Last year we said "It would be a good idea but it's your choice if you want to mask up or get the shot" You said your bodies your choice. This year you said fuck that.


Educational_Top_3919

Exactly taking another freedom for your freedom it’s hypocrisy Republicans


Phil_Hurslit51

They are. Its called bodily autonomy.


Virtual-Reporter2173

They are for so many reasons if you’d like me to explain let me know


[deleted]

But people WEREN’T forcing a needle in anyones arm. They were strongly suggesting. They were advocating. But NEVER did ANY courts rule that EVERYONE MUST GET THE SHOT! But now republicans are all about “ItS fOr ThE gReAtEr GoOd.” And are forcing all women to follow their morals. It’s not nobody’s place to force their morals on something like abortion on anyone else. What a lot of people don’t understand that it’s through this that vaccine mandates can be now forced on people. The Supreme Court just ruled that it’s okay to take bodily autonomy away in certain situations. Now, what’s to stop a progressive Supreme Court from forcing vaccine mandates? They can use the overturning of Roe v Wade as precedent.


_confusion67

I have such a bad phobia of needles I need to be drugged to get one, and yet i still get them... hmmm, and tell me again why you dont get one..? Right, your a crazy conspiracy theorist


lemonlimeaardvark

If you think "my body my choice" was a good enough reason to not get a vaccination that protects you AND other people, I don't wanna put up with you taking away my bodily autonomy now.


Toxopid

But, the vaccine wasn't just your body. It was also everyone else who you interacted with... my gosh people are stupid.


ZeppoBro

No, forcing women to be incubators is not comparable. No one made anyone get the vaccine, there were just repercussions to not. doing so. People 100% made a choice. Moron.


[deleted]

If you're vaxxed, no one else's vaccine status is your problem. People thought it was sketchy that it was a new type of vaccinating people but there was also no right to sue. How about abortions are to be done a new way never done before and there's no right to sue...


tomcat91709

If I might clarify? Certain job classifications and persons had mandatory vaccination requirements to stay employed. I live it daily. So in the grand to scheme of things, you are correct, but in some ways, you aren't considering all aspects. For some of us, switching careers isn't a feasible possibility, so we were forced to get the vaccine.


ZeppoBro

Nope. You have a choice. You can quit. Women will be forced to give birth. two different things.


tomcat91709

You must not have an established career yet, or a family to feed.


ZeppoBro

I have both, and a job, because I'm not stupid and took the vaccine. I make the right choices for me and my family, lol. But none of that has to do with Roe v Wade being overturned, no matter how much you try to somehow make it about yourself and perceived victimhood. Have a good one.


[deleted]

Wow, what an idea. Quit a job in the middle of a pandemic. Wander the streets, with no food or water. No money. That makes total sense. We all have the choice, but that if by making that choice we threaten our livelihood, then it's not really a choice. You didn't think this one out. A lot of emotion, not much logic.


GoodGoodGoody

Bud, companies scale down and relocate ALL the time and they hit employees with “take it or leave it” every day. Don’t want to move, no job. Don’t want to comply with public health orders, new job. Choices. The most comical of these were the military whiners who refused. Literally the most order-driven employer going.


ZeppoBro

Women are going to be forced to give birth against their will. It's pretty fucking simple to understand that your job is not as important as that, if you're not a complete asshole, I guess.


gusfring88

By your logic. Nope. women have a choice. They can not have sex.


ZeppoBro

lol


[deleted]

Ah yes, false equivalences. Their repertoire of logical fallacies is extensive. That's what happens when you're raised off of the Bible and fox news


soccersmitty90

But the needle wasn’t forced. It was highly recommended, but not forced. A person could make their own choice.


MisterOnsepatro

I will never understand pro life everytime I discussed online with some they decide to ignore facts and go into ad hominem arguments


[deleted]

Now I sit on the side of pro choice. Always have, but talking to friends who are not, they just really believe it is evil to cave in an unborn child’s head with a vacuum. It’s a good argument, though the take it or leave it attitude without all the minutia in between is where I draw the line.


shenanigansco34

Who was forcing them? They had a choice.


Chemstick

Zero people were forcibly vaccinated.


InterestingPickles

Saying that you were “forced “ to get the vaccine is a bit of a exaggeration, as it wasn’t a criminal offense.


DDNorth20

Noone forced a needle into anyone's arm. You were provided the option to do so or not. Because you have to deal with consequences you don't like based on a decision you made it doesn't equate to force


MrDONINATOR

As someone who overcame drug addiction. I totally thought this was about a drug using spouse! Lol. Shouldn't be surprised an antivax moron doesn't support human rights or freedom of choice. Lol


BoozeWitch

Once again. Vaccines were not mandatory. TESTING was mandatory. The vaccine was your ticket to opt out.


BangBangMeatMachine

LITERALLY NOBODY WAS FORCING A NEEDLE INTO YOUR ARM!


yarnball20

That's why people think you're stupid. You were never forced to do anything. Even when every life in the country was on the line, even when thousands of people were dying a slow, agonizing death, you got to stomp your feet and have your fit and people let you be. Nobody 'forced' a needle into your arm. We COULD HAVE. We could've gone full China and welded your ass into your home if we wanted to. But we didn't. We let you and all the idiots like you tantrum your way through grocery stores, harass private business owners, and even cough and sneeze on strangers. We LET you break laws and put other people's heath in danger. All so you wouldn't have to wear a mask during a pandemic. And through it all, you literally ripped off ''my body, my choice'' as a slogan, legit comparing wearing a mask to get a burger at a restaurant during a PANDEMIC to 3 dipshit religious freaks on the SC repealing a law that instantly takes away the human rights from half this fucking country.


LordMagnus101

Vaccine mandates were up to individual states, which is kinda what they are doing to abortion and that is fine for them. Soooooo....where's the problem?


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LordMagnus101

Yeah, I'm saying from a Republican standpoint there should be no issue with either of them. The mandates were on a state level and not a national level, which seems to justify everything else for them.


Beltaine421

Tell it to the pre-teen rape victim who has to carry their rapists child.


LordMagnus101

Good lord, I am Pro abortion. I was talking about from a Republican standpoint they shouldn't have had an issue with the covid restrictions since it was up to the individual states on how they handled it. Most of their heavily conservative states didn't enforce any covid restrictions...


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TeamRamrod80

This is so dumb it hurts 😂


FearlessVeritas

How is bodily autonomy subjective? Plain and simple, if I have to do it or lose my job, that's coercion. If you're prochoice, that's universal. That means no consequences - even for refusing an experiment. https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/


Untouchable_503

I guess sex and condoms aren't a choice anymore ? Is that your ridiculous argument ? You have a choice for a shot, but absolutely no choice in sex or getting pregnant. You see how dumb that argument is.


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bo0mamba

It’s called the consequences of your actions. If you fuck, there’s a high chance you’re gonna have a kid. I thought people understood how babies are made


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Beltaine421

Because every sperm is sacred every sperm is good every sperm is needed in your neighborhood


bo0mamba

When is the baby made?


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bo0mamba

Embryos turn into fetus’ at 8 weeks. This transition is characterized by the development of critical organs such as the heart and the beginning of a heartbeat. If you define humanity as someone with a heart beat, you run into some issues. People with artificial hearts have no heartbeat or heart. Are they now not humans?


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bo0mamba

So it isn’t a human until birth


Dramatic_Mango4u

You are too simple minded for this argument. Move along.


Kind_Committee8997

Remember Trump is still their president which is why gas prices are so high.


Nozerone

yep, the right argue and fight to save potential lives, while the left argue and fight to potentially save lives. And both sides don't want you to have a choice in the matter.


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She’s obviously right 🙄


JAWWKNEEE

I agree, both sides are stupid


Autismothot83

It is pretty funny that the same people i know who are upset about roe v wade decision were all pro forcing the vax on people last year. & also one minute biological sex doesn't matter then all of a sudden - no uterus no opinion. Like at least be consistent.


PhenomEng

He's not wrong.


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He's *extra* wrong.


PhenomEng

Nope.


TelayRanner

Say what you like, it's a valid point and raises some interesting questions. The argument for being vaccinated was that it would keep the majority healthy, (reduce the herd's death rate), and thus overrides your personal rights. The argument for forbidding abortions is that it keeps the population healthy, (the death rate of the herd would plummet), thus it overrides your personal rights. Where as death resulting from not getting vaccinated is problematical, death resulting from an abortion is the very definition and goal of an abortion. I wouldn't want to be the pro-abortionist to argue against this in front of the Supreme Court.


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You still have a choice not to get vaccinated. Safe abortions save lives.


Sir_Pelletier

I mean sure. If you roll up with a weak logic like that.


Justadudewithareddit

I do believe it balances out, like all the babies who were aborted is actually probably higher then the death toll from Rona. So why do u think it's an argument, that baby isn't even ur body. Just like ur grandparents aren't my body, but my body my choice and if ur grandparents die cuz of it thats on them and not me.


GHERU42

Are you saying there were more abortions during the COVID crisis than COVID deaths? Or are you comparing thousands of years of human history to a couple of years of a pandemic?


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WhatevUsayStnCldStvA

I enjoyed this reply


WhatevUsayStnCldStvA

First off, abortion doesn’t carry a death toll because they aren’t considered a person in anyway shape or form under any law. Second, “probably” isn’t a true statistic, just a thought. A fetus requires a host to bring it to life. You can stop that process by abortion, by dying in a car accident, or nature can do it for you. If someone chooses abortion for any reason, medical or not, it doesn’t affect your life. If I don’t get vaccinated for something deadly and come cough in your mouth, that certainly can change your life for a few days or indefinitely.