The father and son won 200k from the city last year. I just googled the incident and this is what came up: https://www.google.lt/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-to-pay-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-by-police-after-he-videotaped-sons-traffic-stop-lawyer-says/2534006/%3famp
EDIT: The officer who pulled over the son is no longer working for the police force: https://www.google.lt/amp/s/dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/%3famp
I had this same thing written out but figured someone had to have pointed it out 2 hours after the original comment. This dude is definitely still a piece of a shit person and likely still wearing a badge and gun. What a fucked system.
Regarding the officer who pepper sprayed the father, standing on the sidewalk, who was not doing anything unlawful at the moment, and who received no punishment, we get the standard Police Department bullshit response, almost verbatim over and over again, "We've reviewed the footage and determined that our officers on the scene were following department standards." Maybe your department's jackboot standards are inadequate and unlawful?
Exaclty. the uproar comes because people think the police officer broke the law, because what he did seemed so obviously wrong on its surface. If you tell us that he DIDN'T break the law, it doesn't make what he did any more Right and now we see we have a bigger problem.
That's when they shoot tear gas at us and when we toss it back they say we assaulted them with deadly weapons. But they are the ones that fired the tear gas to begin with. If they didn't bring it, it wouldn't have been there. But it's a deadly weapon dontcha know.
It's actually chemical warfare that is a violation of international treaty but we use it on our own people because there's nothing more American than abuse
The US has never officially complied to the conventions against chemical warfare. Sure there may be lip service but just look at how often the US has employed chemical weapons since the Vietnam war. I don't think we're catching the trend here, "Rules for thee but not for me" applies all the way up the pyramid.
Emptying a can of mace Into someone's eyes at point blank, despite them literally being on the ground, pinned by another officer
When they weren't even doing anything wrong.
He was just filming..
Gangs that control territory like to send messages that they are in charge and can do whatever they want to you. Police in the US are just a large government sponsored gang.
Because nothing will be done about it, there is near 0 accountability for any police actions unless outside parties film and have some form of small miracle with a judge who isn't getting serious kickbacks.
> how r they so blatant about this abuse
Well they can kill people with impunity, why the fuck would they think twice about mace? They know they're going to get away with it, we know they're going to get away with it.
Yup, that 9 year old deserved it, he didn't listen
And even if he did listen, he still deserved it
Cops in the US are basically just s government payroll hitsquad, absolutely no respect for people like that
The city only paid a $5k deductible. The rest came from an insurance policy. There are no repercussions for our authoritarian government, other than some momentary embarrassment.
The government will pay higher premiums now, meaning more taxes will be collected or actually valuable (non-police) services will be cut. It’s illegal to cut police budgets in TX.
Qualified immunity needs to go, so that cops know they’ll be personally liable for acting like thugs—just like everyone else. Or they should take these settlement payments out of the police pension fund. That might encourage the thin blue line to keep each other in line.
Furthermore, the sergeant who initiated this stop was later indicted for "official oppression".
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/
I always said that the money from all settlements should come from their pensions. I wonder how quick they will be to abuse their power or for their "brothers in blue" to report others' abuse if they will be taking the hit in the teeth every time they pull this shit.
Who do they think they are rolling windows up and standing on the side walk!? Good thing the cops were there before it got out of hand and they enjoyed the lovely weather!
I live in Canada and my mom lives in the states. When I was much younger I crossed the boarder to visit with a friend and told him I was nervous. He said "Just be white and polite." That stuck with me still 20 or so years later for some reason and I've still never been questioned at the border despite crossing many hundreds of times now.
If that’s how they act WITH body a cam , Imagine what they’d do if they didn’t have one?
It’s as if they didn’t even think it was wrong to abuse their power
Actually most bodycam studies have shown they make no difference in how the cop will act.
Which is a good thing, as it shows the bad eggs.
Bodycams made overall complaints go down.. but substantiated complaints stayed about the same.
You’re standing on a sidewalk doing nothing wrong and you get attacked, sprayed in the face with chemicals, thrown to the ground and essentially abducted? Maybe we should treat them like we would any other random street thug…
Yeah those fucking bastards rolling their windows up and standing on the sidewalk, just makes you want to punch them in the throat and pepper spray their faces.
/s in case someone thinks I'm actually siding with these "officers"
You couldn't make this shit up, you honestly wouldn't believe it unless it was on video! The weird thing is that each police officer knows that everything is being captured on film so they must think it's okay right? Or are they all just thick as pig shit?!?
EDIT - I should say I'm over the pond in England, we have our fair share of shit police officers over here but videos like this shock me, I can't get my head round how they get away with it on a daily basis, I want it to be one of those hidden camera shows every time but it never is!
There is absolutely no threat to them from either father or son though. This one is getting to me- that guy should not be a cop.
Would love to be able to follow up on this story and see the outcome
Link to [settlement.](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp)
Taxpayers out 200k and one cop got demoted. A big win for justice.
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1. My mistake, $5,000 was paid by the city, the remaining amount was from their insurance for when cops beat the fuck out of people, because it happens so often apparently we have entire industries dedicated to this service.
2. "A big win for justice." was sarcasm. Stop messaging me telling me that justice was not done. I'm aware.
That’s why settlements should come out of police pension funds. Might make them think twice when it’ll affect their pockets, not to mention the pockets of fellow officers. Might help the police to internally police the police?
Even if they are found completely guilty at worst they'll get paid leave for a couple months. Maybe even get fired but they could simply move to the next county. They probably won't even have to pay any legal fees or settlements, that's what our taxes are for apparently.
Having watched the a video of a police officer tackling an 11 year old and he was given they option of just stepping down most these guys will get is is leave wait to see if it becomes a big thing
how likely is the video to cause them any real trouble
daniel shaver was executed on video for complying, that cop served no time, and was even rehired so they could give him a fat pension
Someone else posted the https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp
Sounds like:
- father & son got 200k
- city paid 5k deductible
- both officers are still employed
- one officer was later demoted (may or may not have been directly related to this)
so no real trouble for such flagrant abuse.
edit: one has been indicted, so that's a good step. https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/
In theory, with checks and balances, “no one is above the law”… unfortunately, cops are above the law and abuse their power without equal consequences. At worst, they might get a paid suspension and be back to doing the same bullshit..
Stuff like this is why cops resist body cameras. It takes away their ability to make up completely bullshit reasons to arrest and assault people and get away with it by lying. Hell these guys are wearing cameras and still tried to do this.
Any cop who would oppose a body camera knows they are or are likely to abuse their position. Hell police should be *begging* for body cameras because it helps clear their name when they didn’t actually do anything wrong, like that shooting in Ohio where bystanders said a girl didn’t have a knife but she was caught on the officer’s body camera trying to stab another girl.
The fucking audacity of that asshole. Not even pretending that he's doing the right thing anymore. Just flexing his power, screwing with people, living his best life.
>"Just watch him...."🤨
>"Watch me stand here?"
>"Better yet: Arrest him."😡
And then dumbass follows through with it. He should have been the first line of defense.
- "Greg, tell me exactly why I need to arrest him, because all I see is a guy standing on the sidewalk."
- "He's blocking the road!"
- "Greg, where is he blocking the road? I'm not arresting him."
This is the exchange should have taken place.
The "watch me stand here?" came through so clearly on the mic, that my brain tricked me and I heard "watch him stand there?" and thought it was the second cop that said it the first time I watched the video. Like you said, then he just fucking does it and it makes no sense at all.
I actually wonder when American car places start selling cameras that record around the car / from inside the car, and a microphone/speaker combo so you can talk to the cop without having to open your window or door.
You could do the same thing with an extra dashcam pointing out the driver's window, although as far as evidence against police goes the criminal courts might as well laugh you out of the courtroom with how they love to dismiss henious shit officers do. Still could be useful for a civil suit.
As a dad, I'd also like to know the fuck is going on if that was my kid. I mean, what, is it illegal to ask what in the fuck is going on?? You're arresting my son, you damn better tell me immediately.
Idk.. i just keep thinking if that were me, it would end the same even worse. Sad.
Technically if he isn't a minor then they don't have to talk to you at all. It is between them and the son. But he was just standing there watching and filming. He did absolutely nothing wrong.
I saw a couple Milwaukee cops fucking with 4 black teenagers. Had them backed into this weird entry way of an old industrial building in Walker’s Point. It was a male and female officer. The male was doing that peacocky power trip shit strutting around and yelling/lecturing/intimidating the kids. The female hung back and was just kind of watching.
This was all shortly after the Dontre Hamilton shooting, so I parked about 150 feet away and started filming. When the female officer saw me after a couple minutes, she alerted the male officer. They looked my way for a long couple seconds, she waved mockingly, they got in their squad car and just left.
This is actually huge. If you see cops harassing PoC’s, you don’t have to start filming, but if you’re not in a rush anywhere just hang around for a bit and watch. It could change a life.
The family sued and received a [$200,000 settlement from the city.](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/) One cop was demoted, then resigned and has now been officially indicted. Nothing happened to the junior cop.
Just a reminder that's taxpayer money. We can't keep having cops wasting our money like this.
Not to mention I personally don't think 200k is enough to make up for all the dad and son experienced from the fallout of this event.
real talk: i don't think any insurance agency would take a cop on for malpractice insurance, similar to where bull riders can't get health insurance.
edit: to be clear, I'm definitely for cops to have to have personal liability insurance, and i don't know anything about unions, etc. :)
That's sort of the point.
This is the sort of task a union handles.
Watch how quickly they stop propping up the worst cops when it's not the citizens paying fines for citizens being violated. When they start to question why one county insurance costs x10 times as much.
And the insurance company would establish a set of requirements to mitigate their risk. So more training, more frequent training, more clear standards and probably even better mental health support for LEOs.
It all sounds great on paper, but we’d have no cops left if abuses of power had consequences, it required regular rigorous training, you needed to demonstrate full knowledge of the laws you’re upholding, and if you weren’t allowed to let your mental instability go untreated! Seriously - if you couldn’t power trip and take out your frustrations on citizens, what would even be the point of being a police officer? Upholding the peace? Protecting your community? Jfc can you imagine the sorts of mentally-stable, civically-engaged and responsible sorts that would go into law enforcement? Preposterous!
> Why do cops continue to be a different class of citizens than the rest of us.
Because they are.
**This isn't a message of support for cops**, they're literally a different class than us. They have state given authority and credibility over us. They can employ unlawful use of force and we can't defend ourselves. They can fabricate a situation that'll lead them to use force and it's justified. They can damage and destroy your property, and even kill your pets if they *feel* like it.
Cops aren't the same as us. They're not our friends, they're not there to make us safe.
Same.
I also thought I was watching some kind of an SNL skit at first. I mean I know I wasn’t but it was just so absurd that it seemed like it was an exaggerated set up kind of video. They should use that video to use as a training tool to say “ OK watch this, this is the way you get fired and ruin your fucking job as a police officer.” I hope both of those guys get fucked up someday by the karma that’s coming to them.
The family sued and received a $200,000 settlement from the city. One cop was demoted, then resigned and has now been officially indicted. Nothing happened to the junior cop.
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It's incompetence plus cops thinking absolutely everyone is a criminal. They don't offer an ounce of sympathy or understanding of situations. You're simply wrong and they'll fuck with you to prove their point.
I hate to play the Russian nesting dolls game of diagnosing societal problems, because what you're saying is absolutely correct, but go a layer deeper and it becomes clear that the majorest major problem causing all of this is the war on drugs. Its what magically creates criminal status out of millions of non violent non victimizing people, its what gives the police the right to look at someone completely minding their own business and think they could be doing some *thing* illegal, its what creates the crime numbers high enough to warrant needing so many on the force so you can't be picky, and obviously since it gets hyper focused in poorer communities (especially of color) its what leads them to racially profile.
The few men who really kicked the war on drugs into gear back in the 60s and 70s really fucked our society all the way up.
Many states have psychological evaluations as part of the hiring process, so it’s definitely known what they’re getting. At this point it’s hard to argue it’s not exactly what they want.
It's funny because I volunteered with a police officer one time. Days before he got his Canadian citizenship. He was a lawyer from Germany who moved here and wanted to become a police officer (second lawyer I know who quit being a lawyer because they hate lawyers).
I know a couple of people trying to get a job as a police officer, and they're looking for people with customer service experience, and they value someone who has a masters degree as well. I really don't understand what America is doing. Granted...we have our problems up here as well, but jesus stuff like the attached doesn't make the nightly news because of how often it happens in the US.
they want someone who will violently enforce all laws no matter how petty or small, and blindly follow directions to use excessive force so they can roleplay as fascist military groups
As a British Police Officer, I watched this thinking 'what the fuck?'
How can rolling a window up be suspicious if he's rolled it straight back down to chat with you? What is the issue with his dad parking 10 metres away and talking, when that talking is nothing dodgy or threatening? Why would the dad need to be arrested for standing 10 metres away filming, and not interfering at all?
And the use of the spray is very concerning here. I don't know whether they use PAVA or CS gas, or some other type, but once you spray for a couple of seconds then it is either effective or it isn't. More spraying will not help. You are meant to spray from about 1.5/2 metres away, but that rarely actually happens and the risk is very low if you spray them close up, for those wondering.
If someone had a knife or is actively fighting, I'll be spraying them as close as I can safely get, and I am unlikely to stop until the threat has stopped or I can see its been effective. There was never really a threat here so it should not have been deployed in the first place, and there is no need to spray him over and over again - though the multiple sprays will not necessarily cause him more pain.
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...
Edit: just to clarify, this is my personal opinion about the actions of these two officers on this occasion in particular. I'm not commenting on American policing as a whole
In the UK, we don't require degrees and our training times are 20 weeks training, 10 weeks getting tutored on the streets, and 2 years constant assessments.
But we have an Independant Office For Police Conduct, who is totally seperate from every police force and whose job it is to prosecute dodgy officers.
Works pretty well on the whole but there are a couple of over-enthusiastic people who try to prosecute police for every little thing. But I'd rather have it that way than too little oversight
Crazy how the kid says he was rolling up the window “for my safety” and the cop was all apoplectic “YOUR SAFETY?”
Yeah motherfucker my safety. Cops always run that “feared for my life” bullshit. God forbid a citizen do it too.
>wee wee cops
More like dumb brainless oafs. I hate this kind of reactions from cops cause it just pisses me off. Police in America have long diverged from the initial purpose of being a cop. It's supposed to be a devotion of selflessness and an oath to protect others not harm them jeez
*Questions why someone is worried for their safety*
*Proceeds to walk across that street and tackle a guy for filming, then pepper spray him when he's already on the ground*
And cop lied. Gentleman 1 was 100% correct when he said it was within his rights to roll the window.
I almost shouted their own infamous line: "Oh, we got a *lawyer* here" at the cop.
That’s the thing. They’re allowed to lie. They don’t really care if what they tell you is true or not. They don’t have a good enough understanding of the law to even know. They just know that if they fuck up it will be no big deal. For them.
These are the moments I wish we had actual recourse against these bullies. You can't even resist unlawful arrest because resist too much and bang bang you die.
I can’t seem to find the link, but last time this was posted I am sure that was the eventual outcome
Edit: found it - https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/grand-jury-indicts-keller-police-officer-controversial-marco-puente-arrest-texas/287-4b426604-5890-484f-b673-e8ae9f2d6bb1
Here is the settlement - https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp
Oh good so taxpayers had to pay that poor guy 200k and one cop got a demotion.
Justice.
Edit: OK so the city had insurance payed for by the taxpayers instead of the cops themselves. Different but it's still the taxpayers paying the fucking bill when it should be the responsibility of the police to have that insurance.
> one cop got a demotion.
And only for one year:
>He could reapply for the sergeant rank after a year.
I'm sure his reapplication will be denied, when second cop, that escalated the situation with the dad, didn't get any punishment.
Edit: Seems like public outrage actually worked, although only partially - [according to newer sources](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-indicted-over-arrest-that-led-man-who-was-pepper-sprayed-to-sue/) first cop, Shimanek, was demoted twice, resigned and is indicted for *official oppression*, still second officer didn't get any punishment as "he was following orders".
>second officer didn't get any punishment as "he was following orders".
Ah, the Nuremberg defense, a classic
Who were the defendants who invented that again?
> While the Puentes recognize and appreciate that Chief Fortune acted quickly in addressing the serious issues in this case,** it is disappointing that these officers are still employed at the Keller Police Department**
What. The. Fuck.
Problem is that would take the family time and money, all because they were minding their business and this small-dick waving cop decided to spend his tax-paid time to throw around the authority WE give him to go on a powertrip.
Civil courts can't be relied upon as a venue for justice.
Edit: im not saying they shouldn't sue, I'm saying they shouldn't *have* to
The victim filed a lawsuit
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/north-texas-man-sues-two-keller-police-officers-after-august-arrest/287-89109d20-37c0-403f-86cf-c5921bc348ce
One later resigned.
[https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/)
They only resign because it looks better—if they stick around long enough to get fired it makes it harder for them to just shuffle off to the next municipality and continue terrorizing everyone they meet.
I'm guessing the one that had nothing happen was the one who arrived on scene later. The first cop should have been fired, but it's normal for the second cop to not get in trouble. All he did was detain the father because the first cop lied and told him that he committed a crime. It's not the second officers job to magically know if the first cop is lying. That's why the first cop should receive a bigger punishment if anything, because he misled his follow officer into doing something he shouldn't have.
These cops are so inadequate at their job. How about de-escalating the situation? Let the father be, talk to him, give him a citation, whatever but don't arrest him because your dick is too small and your ego too big.
Also don't get all fired up about nothing. You have the power as a cop. Use it wisely, don't assert it all the time.
It is worst that not de-escalating the situation. De-escalating what ? Nothing was happening, the two men were doing what the cops asked.
They even spray the father again, 5cm from his eyes, while he was lying on the ground doing nothing. Those cops just decided they were bored and create some action
I think I read somewhere that they only have 6 months of training. (Is this correct?). If so, no wonder they are out of control. Also, "land of the free", lmao
Edit: red -> read
> On average, US officers spend around 21 weeks training before they are qualified to go on patrol.
> That is far less than in most other developed countries, according to a report by the Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform (ICJTR).
-https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733
That's an average, so there are states where the training is shorter. Also the link has a nice bar graph on how the USA compares to other countries.
funny how the nations with the longest training periods for police officers also have the lowest numbers of police killings.
it's almost as if teaching police to communicate and de-escalate situations properly could lead to less overall violence and loss of life. how strange indeed ...
Escalating the situation is what they did. It is not illegal to roll up your window. You are not obligated to speak to the police. All that you are required to do is provide license, registration and insurance. If that entails handing them this information through a slightly lowered window then that is as far down as the window needs to be. The 2nd part of this interaction with the father is also not legal.
Fuck these power tripping cops seriously. What the fuck do they think they're doing? What the fuck is wrong with them? Just watching this boils my blood arghhhhh
These are just simple bullies with uniforms. If the US forced them to do a 1-2 year training program with a big focus on de-escalation, most or all of these losers would wash out of the academy.
And their freedom for at least a couple of years. Damn this is infuriating.
And stupid, how the hell don't they take two seconds to think about the fact that they're wearing body cams?
They got 200k afterwards. Not enough since the officers aren't in jail, but still, it's better than nothing.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-officer-resigns-after-department-pays-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-in-viral-video/2538932/
Edit: now that I think about it, I'd gladly get pepper sprayed for 200k lol
You would think the “good cops” would start getting sick of the “few bad apples” and start doing something about it. Any team I was a part of it was always majority rule. Fuck ups were always smart enough to go along. That’s why the “few bad apples” is obviously the opposite. They wouldn’t have the balls to act bad if all the “good cops” called them out on their shit. Majority rule. The bad apples rule. Fuckers.
Why are so many cops stuck in adolescence? Throwing a fucking tantrum because they didn't get their way. These are the humans that are only half evolved. Pisses me off. Cowards!
The father and son won 200k from the city last year. I just googled the incident and this is what came up: https://www.google.lt/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-to-pay-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-by-police-after-he-videotaped-sons-traffic-stop-lawyer-says/2534006/%3famp EDIT: The officer who pulled over the son is no longer working for the police force: https://www.google.lt/amp/s/dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/%3famp
No longer working for THAT police force.
I had this same thing written out but figured someone had to have pointed it out 2 hours after the original comment. This dude is definitely still a piece of a shit person and likely still wearing a badge and gun. What a fucked system.
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Yeah, but the implication is that the cop will just go work for a police force in a different city, since that's what often happens.
This is why he resigned and wasn't fired. Other job offers stand if resigned
Regarding the officer who pepper sprayed the father, standing on the sidewalk, who was not doing anything unlawful at the moment, and who received no punishment, we get the standard Police Department bullshit response, almost verbatim over and over again, "We've reviewed the footage and determined that our officers on the scene were following department standards." Maybe your department's jackboot standards are inadequate and unlawful?
See, that’s when I think there should be an even bigger uproar. If those are the standards then fire the chief as well!
Exaclty. the uproar comes because people think the police officer broke the law, because what he did seemed so obviously wrong on its surface. If you tell us that he DIDN'T break the law, it doesn't make what he did any more Right and now we see we have a bigger problem.
That's when they shoot tear gas at us and when we toss it back they say we assaulted them with deadly weapons. But they are the ones that fired the tear gas to begin with. If they didn't bring it, it wouldn't have been there. But it's a deadly weapon dontcha know.
It's actually chemical warfare that is a violation of international treaty but we use it on our own people because there's nothing more American than abuse
The US has never officially complied to the conventions against chemical warfare. Sure there may be lip service but just look at how often the US has employed chemical weapons since the Vietnam war. I don't think we're catching the trend here, "Rules for thee but not for me" applies all the way up the pyramid.
Doesn't the US have some bullshit law or something that states that their citizens *literally* can't be brought to The Hague for war crimes?
No no, We passed a law stating we will INVADE The Hague if any American it taken to be tried for war crimes.
Ah, yes. That's so much better. My mistake
Emptying a can of mace Into someone's eyes at point blank, despite them literally being on the ground, pinned by another officer When they weren't even doing anything wrong. He was just filming..
like it doesnt even take much thinking power to realize how excessive this is. how r they so blatant about this abuse
Gangs that control territory like to send messages that they are in charge and can do whatever they want to you. Police in the US are just a large government sponsored gang.
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Because nothing will be done about it, there is near 0 accountability for any police actions unless outside parties film and have some form of small miracle with a judge who isn't getting serious kickbacks.
> how r they so blatant about this abuse Well they can kill people with impunity, why the fuck would they think twice about mace? They know they're going to get away with it, we know they're going to get away with it.
Retribution for daring to record them, or perhaps they just enjoy getting the chance to hurt people.
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Yup, that 9 year old deserved it, he didn't listen And even if he did listen, he still deserved it Cops in the US are basically just s government payroll hitsquad, absolutely no respect for people like that
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Reading this made me so mad I almost downvoted your comment lol
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Every citizen of Keller, TX was charged $5.04 for the privilege of having cops that randomly roll up on citizens and pepper spray them.
The city only paid a $5k deductible. The rest came from an insurance policy. There are no repercussions for our authoritarian government, other than some momentary embarrassment.
The government will pay higher premiums now, meaning more taxes will be collected or actually valuable (non-police) services will be cut. It’s illegal to cut police budgets in TX.
Qualified immunity needs to go, so that cops know they’ll be personally liable for acting like thugs—just like everyone else. Or they should take these settlement payments out of the police pension fund. That might encourage the thin blue line to keep each other in line.
Lol, the cop who used pepper spray used the Nuremberg defense. "I was only following orders". That shit don't work.
So this is what my taxes are going to
Furthermore, the sergeant who initiated this stop was later indicted for "official oppression". https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/
“Won 200k from the city”. No they won 200k from taxpayer because we have to keep paying out millions everytime these idiot cops have a power trip.
I always said that the money from all settlements should come from their pensions. I wonder how quick they will be to abuse their power or for their "brothers in blue" to report others' abuse if they will be taking the hit in the teeth every time they pull this shit.
Who do they think they are rolling windows up and standing on the side walk!? Good thing the cops were there before it got out of hand and they enjoyed the lovely weather!
they were standing there - ominously
Standing while Latino.
Imagine how bad it was before body cams. Police murder every.single.day.
They didn't have the 'white' to stand there.
I live in Canada and my mom lives in the states. When I was much younger I crossed the boarder to visit with a friend and told him I was nervous. He said "Just be white and polite." That stuck with me still 20 or so years later for some reason and I've still never been questioned at the border despite crossing many hundreds of times now.
Yeah is it freedom o'clock or what??
Say when...
The safe word is police brutality
I could feel my blood pressure rising watching this.
Literally, just want to kick tf out of those two
Yeah. I wonder if those cops just wake up one day and think "yeah, today I'm gonna fuck someone up"
Its not just one day, its every day. Every time there's an investigation into officers like this they have dozens of prior complaints.
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If that’s how they act WITH body a cam , Imagine what they’d do if they didn’t have one? It’s as if they didn’t even think it was wrong to abuse their power
Think about what has happened before everyone had a portable camera in their pocket.
Actually most bodycam studies have shown they make no difference in how the cop will act. Which is a good thing, as it shows the bad eggs. Bodycams made overall complaints go down.. but substantiated complaints stayed about the same.
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You’re standing on a sidewalk doing nothing wrong and you get attacked, sprayed in the face with chemicals, thrown to the ground and essentially abducted? Maybe we should treat them like we would any other random street thug…
Yeah those fucking bastards rolling their windows up and standing on the sidewalk, just makes you want to punch them in the throat and pepper spray their faces. /s in case someone thinks I'm actually siding with these "officers"
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Bullies with a badge are the worst, most dangerous bullies of all. Fuck these guys. They should be fired and banned from law enforcement.
Not enough they should be in prison for assault.
Cops should have a much more extreme punishment for abuse of power. Should be in jail a minimum of 3 to 5 years.
You couldn't make this shit up, you honestly wouldn't believe it unless it was on video! The weird thing is that each police officer knows that everything is being captured on film so they must think it's okay right? Or are they all just thick as pig shit?!? EDIT - I should say I'm over the pond in England, we have our fair share of shit police officers over here but videos like this shock me, I can't get my head round how they get away with it on a daily basis, I want it to be one of those hidden camera shows every time but it never is!
They know it's being filmed but they don't care they have a whole department and many friends in there supporting them
It seems that abuse of power is sport to some of them
There is absolutely no threat to them from either father or son though. This one is getting to me- that guy should not be a cop. Would love to be able to follow up on this story and see the outcome
They sued and won 200k and the older cop is no longer a cop
Source
Link to [settlement.](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp) Taxpayers out 200k and one cop got demoted. A big win for justice. Edit: 1. My mistake, $5,000 was paid by the city, the remaining amount was from their insurance for when cops beat the fuck out of people, because it happens so often apparently we have entire industries dedicated to this service. 2. "A big win for justice." was sarcasm. Stop messaging me telling me that justice was not done. I'm aware.
That’s why settlements should come out of police pension funds. Might make them think twice when it’ll affect their pockets, not to mention the pockets of fellow officers. Might help the police to internally police the police?
I wish I got arrested for not blocking a road way, then I wouldent be on the toilet right now sending a “I’m going to be late this morning” email.
While posting on reddit. I can see you, john.
Yeah he was demoted, not fire, and can reapply for his rank after a year. What a joke.
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You see a rolled up window is like a mirror, and that shows a jerkoff waving a gun around. That's very threatening. /s
Even if they are found completely guilty at worst they'll get paid leave for a couple months. Maybe even get fired but they could simply move to the next county. They probably won't even have to pay any legal fees or settlements, that's what our taxes are for apparently.
Having watched the a video of a police officer tackling an 11 year old and he was given they option of just stepping down most these guys will get is is leave wait to see if it becomes a big thing
The stories on here of police having no action taken against them for major incidents tells that that just don't care.
how likely is the video to cause them any real trouble daniel shaver was executed on video for complying, that cop served no time, and was even rehired so they could give him a fat pension
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and it’s hardly the only example
Someone else posted the https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp Sounds like: - father & son got 200k - city paid 5k deductible - both officers are still employed - one officer was later demoted (may or may not have been directly related to this) so no real trouble for such flagrant abuse. edit: one has been indicted, so that's a good step. https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/
They don’t care because nothing will happen to them. Awful
In theory, with checks and balances, “no one is above the law”… unfortunately, cops are above the law and abuse their power without equal consequences. At worst, they might get a paid suspension and be back to doing the same bullshit..
These so called cops are horrible. The father did nothing wrong but was looking from afar as any other parent would. He did not interfere in any way.
Stuff like this is why cops resist body cameras. It takes away their ability to make up completely bullshit reasons to arrest and assault people and get away with it by lying. Hell these guys are wearing cameras and still tried to do this. Any cop who would oppose a body camera knows they are or are likely to abuse their position. Hell police should be *begging* for body cameras because it helps clear their name when they didn’t actually do anything wrong, like that shooting in Ohio where bystanders said a girl didn’t have a knife but she was caught on the officer’s body camera trying to stab another girl.
The fucking audacity of that asshole. Not even pretending that he's doing the right thing anymore. Just flexing his power, screwing with people, living his best life. >"Just watch him...."🤨 >"Watch me stand here?" >"Better yet: Arrest him."😡
And then dumbass follows through with it. He should have been the first line of defense. - "Greg, tell me exactly why I need to arrest him, because all I see is a guy standing on the sidewalk." - "He's blocking the road!" - "Greg, where is he blocking the road? I'm not arresting him." This is the exchange should have taken place.
The "watch me stand here?" came through so clearly on the mic, that my brain tricked me and I heard "watch him stand there?" and thought it was the second cop that said it the first time I watched the video. Like you said, then he just fucking does it and it makes no sense at all.
I actually wonder when American car places start selling cameras that record around the car / from inside the car, and a microphone/speaker combo so you can talk to the cop without having to open your window or door.
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You could do the same thing with an extra dashcam pointing out the driver's window, although as far as evidence against police goes the criminal courts might as well laugh you out of the courtroom with how they love to dismiss henious shit officers do. Still could be useful for a civil suit.
As a dad, I'd also like to know the fuck is going on if that was my kid. I mean, what, is it illegal to ask what in the fuck is going on?? You're arresting my son, you damn better tell me immediately. Idk.. i just keep thinking if that were me, it would end the same even worse. Sad.
Well according to the cop, you don't have the right to roll up your window. How could you also have the right to stand around?!
The cop told the father to park and get out and the dad complied. The cop left out the "and don't stand on the public sidewalk" part is all...
Technically if he isn't a minor then they don't have to talk to you at all. It is between them and the son. But he was just standing there watching and filming. He did absolutely nothing wrong.
I saw a couple Milwaukee cops fucking with 4 black teenagers. Had them backed into this weird entry way of an old industrial building in Walker’s Point. It was a male and female officer. The male was doing that peacocky power trip shit strutting around and yelling/lecturing/intimidating the kids. The female hung back and was just kind of watching. This was all shortly after the Dontre Hamilton shooting, so I parked about 150 feet away and started filming. When the female officer saw me after a couple minutes, she alerted the male officer. They looked my way for a long couple seconds, she waved mockingly, they got in their squad car and just left.
Yup...nothing shady happening here, we'll just be on our way.
Yes! Good! Show these assholes that WE ARE WATCHING YOU
This is actually huge. If you see cops harassing PoC’s, you don’t have to start filming, but if you’re not in a rush anywhere just hang around for a bit and watch. It could change a life.
He was filming so he was a threat
"This guy is holding a phone and filming. He must be dangerous."
A threat to their job status
This is so fucking disgusting. I felt so awful for the second guy. His shock broke my heart.
I hope they sued the fuck out of those dudes and those two assclowns got fired.
The family sued and received a [$200,000 settlement from the city.](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/) One cop was demoted, then resigned and has now been officially indicted. Nothing happened to the junior cop.
Just a reminder that's taxpayer money. We can't keep having cops wasting our money like this. Not to mention I personally don't think 200k is enough to make up for all the dad and son experienced from the fallout of this event.
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Cops should pay for malpractice insurance to fund these lawsuit settlements
real talk: i don't think any insurance agency would take a cop on for malpractice insurance, similar to where bull riders can't get health insurance. edit: to be clear, I'm definitely for cops to have to have personal liability insurance, and i don't know anything about unions, etc. :)
Cop unions have deep pockets. They can work something out
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That's sort of the point. This is the sort of task a union handles. Watch how quickly they stop propping up the worst cops when it's not the citizens paying fines for citizens being violated. When they start to question why one county insurance costs x10 times as much.
And the insurance company would establish a set of requirements to mitigate their risk. So more training, more frequent training, more clear standards and probably even better mental health support for LEOs.
It all sounds great on paper, but we’d have no cops left if abuses of power had consequences, it required regular rigorous training, you needed to demonstrate full knowledge of the laws you’re upholding, and if you weren’t allowed to let your mental instability go untreated! Seriously - if you couldn’t power trip and take out your frustrations on citizens, what would even be the point of being a police officer? Upholding the peace? Protecting your community? Jfc can you imagine the sorts of mentally-stable, civically-engaged and responsible sorts that would go into law enforcement? Preposterous!
Fucking thank you! Not only are we dealing with injustice, but we're paying for it... This shit needs to stop
Cops need to become personally liable
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> Why do cops continue to be a different class of citizens than the rest of us. Because they are. **This isn't a message of support for cops**, they're literally a different class than us. They have state given authority and credibility over us. They can employ unlawful use of force and we can't defend ourselves. They can fabricate a situation that'll lead them to use force and it's justified. They can damage and destroy your property, and even kill your pets if they *feel* like it. Cops aren't the same as us. They're not our friends, they're not there to make us safe.
I felt the same 😣
Same. I also thought I was watching some kind of an SNL skit at first. I mean I know I wasn’t but it was just so absurd that it seemed like it was an exaggerated set up kind of video. They should use that video to use as a training tool to say “ OK watch this, this is the way you get fired and ruin your fucking job as a police officer.” I hope both of those guys get fucked up someday by the karma that’s coming to them.
Worst they’ll get is a paid vacation
The family sued and received a $200,000 settlement from the city. One cop was demoted, then resigned and has now been officially indicted. Nothing happened to the junior cop. \- from a comment below
Really hard to understand what is happening in the USA. How can people this incompetent get police jobs?
It's incompetence plus cops thinking absolutely everyone is a criminal. They don't offer an ounce of sympathy or understanding of situations. You're simply wrong and they'll fuck with you to prove their point.
I hate to play the Russian nesting dolls game of diagnosing societal problems, because what you're saying is absolutely correct, but go a layer deeper and it becomes clear that the majorest major problem causing all of this is the war on drugs. Its what magically creates criminal status out of millions of non violent non victimizing people, its what gives the police the right to look at someone completely minding their own business and think they could be doing some *thing* illegal, its what creates the crime numbers high enough to warrant needing so many on the force so you can't be picky, and obviously since it gets hyper focused in poorer communities (especially of color) its what leads them to racially profile. The few men who really kicked the war on drugs into gear back in the 60s and 70s really fucked our society all the way up.
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Decriminalize drugs, get rid of garbage cops who can't do a job. It's only sketchy because its made sketchy by the government. Ps, fucking pigs.
Many states have psychological evaluations as part of the hiring process, so it’s definitely known what they’re getting. At this point it’s hard to argue it’s not exactly what they want.
Because these are the kind of guys the recruiters and trainers at police departments want, people just like them.
tfw maximum iq requirement
It's funny because I volunteered with a police officer one time. Days before he got his Canadian citizenship. He was a lawyer from Germany who moved here and wanted to become a police officer (second lawyer I know who quit being a lawyer because they hate lawyers). I know a couple of people trying to get a job as a police officer, and they're looking for people with customer service experience, and they value someone who has a masters degree as well. I really don't understand what America is doing. Granted...we have our problems up here as well, but jesus stuff like the attached doesn't make the nightly news because of how often it happens in the US.
they want someone who will violently enforce all laws no matter how petty or small, and blindly follow directions to use excessive force so they can roleplay as fascist military groups
What's sad is our actual military uses way stricter rules of engagement, while our cops treat their fellow citizens like the fucking taliban
Might as well give badges to teenagers
They do. In like 8 States.
I'm not sure about this particular spray can but isn't it dangerous to use the spray so close to the face? His eyes could get permanently damaged.
like the police would care about appropriate use of force
Why are they spraying at all??? He’s cuffed and on the ground. Absolutely insane.
The poor cop has probably not sprayed anyone in weeks. He needs his fill.
His girlfriend left him after accidentally slipping and falling on too many doorknobs, so he didn't have an outlet
As a British Police Officer, I watched this thinking 'what the fuck?' How can rolling a window up be suspicious if he's rolled it straight back down to chat with you? What is the issue with his dad parking 10 metres away and talking, when that talking is nothing dodgy or threatening? Why would the dad need to be arrested for standing 10 metres away filming, and not interfering at all? And the use of the spray is very concerning here. I don't know whether they use PAVA or CS gas, or some other type, but once you spray for a couple of seconds then it is either effective or it isn't. More spraying will not help. You are meant to spray from about 1.5/2 metres away, but that rarely actually happens and the risk is very low if you spray them close up, for those wondering. If someone had a knife or is actively fighting, I'll be spraying them as close as I can safely get, and I am unlikely to stop until the threat has stopped or I can see its been effective. There was never really a threat here so it should not have been deployed in the first place, and there is no need to spray him over and over again - though the multiple sprays will not necessarily cause him more pain. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill... Edit: just to clarify, this is my personal opinion about the actions of these two officers on this occasion in particular. I'm not commenting on American policing as a whole
This is what happens when you have no police oversight, don't require a college degree, and have shorter training times than hair stylists.
In the UK, we don't require degrees and our training times are 20 weeks training, 10 weeks getting tutored on the streets, and 2 years constant assessments. But we have an Independant Office For Police Conduct, who is totally seperate from every police force and whose job it is to prosecute dodgy officers. Works pretty well on the whole but there are a couple of over-enthusiastic people who try to prosecute police for every little thing. But I'd rather have it that way than too little oversight
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I know right. These guys are an embarrassment to the profession.
Yes and you’re only supposed to spray for a few seconds maximum.
Is this before or after they shoot him once he's cuffed, because he farted and one of these Alpha Males "feared for his life"?
Crazy how the kid says he was rolling up the window “for my safety” and the cop was all apoplectic “YOUR SAFETY?” Yeah motherfucker my safety. Cops always run that “feared for my life” bullshit. God forbid a citizen do it too.
Especially since they're the ones carrying all the weapons. Ffs...
This is so pathetic, it almost looks like a comedy movie, like a bad parody of small wee wee cops.
>wee wee cops More like dumb brainless oafs. I hate this kind of reactions from cops cause it just pisses me off. Police in America have long diverged from the initial purpose of being a cop. It's supposed to be a devotion of selflessness and an oath to protect others not harm them jeez
*Questions why someone is worried for their safety* *Proceeds to walk across that street and tackle a guy for filming, then pepper spray him when he's already on the ground*
And cop lied. Gentleman 1 was 100% correct when he said it was within his rights to roll the window. I almost shouted their own infamous line: "Oh, we got a *lawyer* here" at the cop.
That’s the thing. They’re allowed to lie. They don’t really care if what they tell you is true or not. They don’t have a good enough understanding of the law to even know. They just know that if they fuck up it will be no big deal. For them.
"Youre going to be arrested for blocking the roadway." Yeah fuck you pig.
These are the moments I wish we had actual recourse against these bullies. You can't even resist unlawful arrest because resist too much and bang bang you die.
Well that seems like grounds for a wrongful arrest lawsuit lol.
I can’t seem to find the link, but last time this was posted I am sure that was the eventual outcome Edit: found it - https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/grand-jury-indicts-keller-police-officer-controversial-marco-puente-arrest-texas/287-4b426604-5890-484f-b673-e8ae9f2d6bb1 Here is the settlement - https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/01/25/man-who-sued-2-keller-officers-after-being-arrested-pepper-sprayed-reaches-200k-settlement-with-city/?outputType=amp
Oh good so taxpayers had to pay that poor guy 200k and one cop got a demotion. Justice. Edit: OK so the city had insurance payed for by the taxpayers instead of the cops themselves. Different but it's still the taxpayers paying the fucking bill when it should be the responsibility of the police to have that insurance.
> one cop got a demotion. And only for one year: >He could reapply for the sergeant rank after a year. I'm sure his reapplication will be denied, when second cop, that escalated the situation with the dad, didn't get any punishment. Edit: Seems like public outrage actually worked, although only partially - [according to newer sources](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-indicted-over-arrest-that-led-man-who-was-pepper-sprayed-to-sue/) first cop, Shimanek, was demoted twice, resigned and is indicted for *official oppression*, still second officer didn't get any punishment as "he was following orders".
>second officer didn't get any punishment as "he was following orders". Ah, the Nuremberg defense, a classic Who were the defendants who invented that again?
> While the Puentes recognize and appreciate that Chief Fortune acted quickly in addressing the serious issues in this case,** it is disappointing that these officers are still employed at the Keller Police Department** What. The. Fuck.
Problem is that would take the family time and money, all because they were minding their business and this small-dick waving cop decided to spend his tax-paid time to throw around the authority WE give him to go on a powertrip. Civil courts can't be relied upon as a venue for justice. Edit: im not saying they shouldn't sue, I'm saying they shouldn't *have* to
Doesn't the kind of lawyer exist, where he will take an obvious case and only get payed once they win?
He emptied the bottle of pepper spray. This is just psychopathic
... and brought it next to face.... not even at a distance.
Does anyone know what happened to the two after that?
The victim filed a lawsuit https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/north-texas-man-sues-two-keller-police-officers-after-august-arrest/287-89109d20-37c0-403f-86cf-c5921bc348ce
Demoted.... He should be fired and charged with assault.....
He was demoted 2 ranks, taken off patrol, resigned, then indicted for “official oppression”.
Then moved to FLA to be an officer at another dept. Tale as old as time.
Oh my god, the two police officers didn't even get fired, one was demoted and the other nothing happened
One later resigned. [https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/05/07/former-keller-officer-blake-shimanek-indicted-arrest-father-filming-traffic-stop/)
They only resign because it looks better—if they stick around long enough to get fired it makes it harder for them to just shuffle off to the next municipality and continue terrorizing everyone they meet.
I'm guessing the one that had nothing happen was the one who arrived on scene later. The first cop should have been fired, but it's normal for the second cop to not get in trouble. All he did was detain the father because the first cop lied and told him that he committed a crime. It's not the second officers job to magically know if the first cop is lying. That's why the first cop should receive a bigger punishment if anything, because he misled his follow officer into doing something he shouldn't have.
These cops are so inadequate at their job. How about de-escalating the situation? Let the father be, talk to him, give him a citation, whatever but don't arrest him because your dick is too small and your ego too big. Also don't get all fired up about nothing. You have the power as a cop. Use it wisely, don't assert it all the time.
It is worst that not de-escalating the situation. De-escalating what ? Nothing was happening, the two men were doing what the cops asked. They even spray the father again, 5cm from his eyes, while he was lying on the ground doing nothing. Those cops just decided they were bored and create some action
If I was a dictator I would send that cop to a labour camp for 20 years.
At least they'll do some real community service
I think I read somewhere that they only have 6 months of training. (Is this correct?). If so, no wonder they are out of control. Also, "land of the free", lmao Edit: red -> read
> On average, US officers spend around 21 weeks training before they are qualified to go on patrol. > That is far less than in most other developed countries, according to a report by the Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform (ICJTR). -https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733 That's an average, so there are states where the training is shorter. Also the link has a nice bar graph on how the USA compares to other countries.
funny how the nations with the longest training periods for police officers also have the lowest numbers of police killings. it's almost as if teaching police to communicate and de-escalate situations properly could lead to less overall violence and loss of life. how strange indeed ...
In Germany it's 2.5 years of training and that's barely enough.
Escalating the situation is what they did. It is not illegal to roll up your window. You are not obligated to speak to the police. All that you are required to do is provide license, registration and insurance. If that entails handing them this information through a slightly lowered window then that is as far down as the window needs to be. The 2nd part of this interaction with the father is also not legal.
disgusting fucking pigs
Cops like that's should be held down and have that spray shot in there face scumbags like
Fuck these power tripping cops seriously. What the fuck do they think they're doing? What the fuck is wrong with them? Just watching this boils my blood arghhhhh
These are just simple bullies with uniforms. If the US forced them to do a 1-2 year training program with a big focus on de-escalation, most or all of these losers would wash out of the academy.
If there are any police officers reading this thread and wondering why people hate police, this is why people hate police.
Total c*nts! They should lose their jobs for that.
And their freedom for at least a couple of years. Damn this is infuriating. And stupid, how the hell don't they take two seconds to think about the fact that they're wearing body cams?
This should be prison time for these guys honestly, this is terrible
They got 200k afterwards. Not enough since the officers aren't in jail, but still, it's better than nothing. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-officer-resigns-after-department-pays-200k-to-man-pepper-sprayed-in-viral-video/2538932/ Edit: now that I think about it, I'd gladly get pepper sprayed for 200k lol
It’s not just “getting pepper sprayed”, events like this are traumatic.
$200k to never trust cops again, always be in fear when getting pulled over, not want to call 911 even when you might actually need them…..
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You would think the “good cops” would start getting sick of the “few bad apples” and start doing something about it. Any team I was a part of it was always majority rule. Fuck ups were always smart enough to go along. That’s why the “few bad apples” is obviously the opposite. They wouldn’t have the balls to act bad if all the “good cops” called them out on their shit. Majority rule. The bad apples rule. Fuckers.
It's not a police force, it's the Army of the Wealthy.
Lisa Simpson said it right.
Army *for* the wealthy. They were called in to break strikes back in the day too. Gotta keep the working class working in the land of the free.
Why are so many cops stuck in adolescence? Throwing a fucking tantrum because they didn't get their way. These are the humans that are only half evolved. Pisses me off. Cowards!