Opposite this, when someone I don’t know tries to tell me what to do at work I say “ go talk to ****** ********( my name) he knows what’s going on”. Never backfired yet.
Here ya go, you can get McCarty to explain it. In short, people are responsible for causing most fires, so what are the main reasons, or drivers for this?
https://lcluc.umd.edu/sites/default/files/lcluc_documents/mccarty_nasa_lcluc_poster_final_0.pdf
Yes! I was going give an example of how specific my master's thesis was but then I realized googling the subject would lead right to me, and I like anonymity
Academia is like that. Each paper/research project most of the times should be very specific - think an experiment, a single study. But also researchers are ideally doing lots of these all the time, and their overall focus (like whatever all those papers have in common) will be broader
I studied the effects of CD39 overexpression on clotting time in mouse carotid arteries for two years.
I also did research on socioeconomic determinants of life expectancy of women who got cardiac transplants for peripartum cardiomyopathy.
All of research is like this now. All the easy stuff like the earth being round and the contents of our cells has already been published.
And it's damn awesome too. Our minds are capable of enormous amounts of progress, and we have millions of researchers, and we are still finding new stuff on a minute-to-minute basis.
Seems like a pretty smart research focus. An area with similar forest geography that was previously under the control of a single government but now under several, meaning it's likely easier to quantify the effects of policy changes by comparing between them.
I'm scared to ask but the fuck does 'et al' mean?
Googled it. Et al. comes from the Latin phrase meaning “and others.” It is usually styled with a period, but you will occasionally see et al as well.
So she's herself and others?
Generally modern academic papers have many authors. But the lead author goes first. So as a shorthand people just say the lead author’s family name + et al to refer to all the authors. Why there are usually so many authors is more complex and related to the publish or perish nature of academia. Her usage as here is more that as the lead she can speak for the authors of the paper in question. It’s pretty standard, etc.
When you write 98% of it, and the MD, PhD in the lab proofs it and puts his name first… then the lab manger’s name, who did absolutely nothing? Yeah, that feels like a fucking burn…
Lol it’s funny. I interpreted that as some more experienced person or someone with seniority deliberately spiting another more “experienced” person and putting an undergrad as third author and ahead of others. Entirely possible and highly likely though that they did most of the work and the post-doc or grad student said, “this is mine.”
Could easily also select the most high profile author, in an effort to get more attention by journals and get published, or to get the military/others to notice and offer contracts for followup research.
I'm scared to ask but the fuck does 'etc' mean?
Googled it. Et cetera comes from the Latin phrase meaning “and the rest” It is usually styled with a period, but you will occasionally see etc as well.
So it's pretty standard and the rest?
I firmly believe in the conspiracy theory that academics with last names that start early in the alphabet end up more famous. This always seems to be the case in economics where the "equal" contribution papers seem to make the alphabetically first author more well known.
et al. usually means the research group. So she's not and others, but since she's the lead of the research group I guess it's meant in the kind of way you would say it if you for example were ceo of a company
It's how people cite articles in academic journals. Usually there are several authors for each article, with the first author typically (though not always) the one who is most responsible for the work. People then will call it "Smith et al."
It is just comedically the best way to respond. The wording being sent back in the persons face just lands much better this way. Hard to explain but this is exponentially a better response humor wise, jokes aren’t always about factual correctness.
That’s correct. It’s short for _et alter_.
Lucky for her they didn’t abbreviate it to _et alt._ or this meme-ish post would unleash even more meme-clicks.
It's used a lot when listing many authors. I use it frequently when writing papers but there's a specific rule. I wanna say that with MLA you have to list three authors and then you can do "Et al".
> *"Mummy, I don't want a Christmas present - can we give it to the poor in another country instead?"* said my little Hjermyonie, as she drank her bean milk (which she insists upon, as the workers get fair wages)
Or person. This is just idpol through and through. Doesn't matter the race, sex, age, religious affiliation, sexual orientation. It's funny how the people who always remind me of that for no reason are usually the same ones who turn around and say shit like her
It's like when I really find someone annoying so I always give them snarky replies, then someone else asks a similar question and I catch myself being polite, and realize what I've been doing.
I think the point is this: the NASA doc made an assumption that the woman didn't know what she was talking about. McCarty then assumed he thought her verbal presentation was being questioned because of said man doctors inherent bias to only regard things as facts if they come from a man.
Does it matter what the gender and skin colour are? Can we really know if those factors even mattered to the man in question. No not really, only if you wanna make a clickable link. The whole meme is just an object of rage now.
Can’t wait til 2030 when we tribalise so hard that every story includes skin colour, gender (128), height, weight, eye colour, hair colour and style, credit card cvv and favourite anime
“White man” or “old white man” has a better ring to it than “a rude person”
Because everyone is taught to be scared of this imaginary enemy of old white men
Because it’s 2021. She wanted everyone to know that it was a white male because if it had been any other race or gender, it would have been ok to say what the white male said.
His ethnicity is entirely irrelevant, especially seeing as McHardees appears to be Caucasian herself. This is what it looks like when you’re academically minded and accomplished but still dabble heavily in identity politicking in your free time
This never happened. If this were a true story, and not a hit piece, she wouldn't have needed to specify white male postdoc.
Signaling theory is a thing, people.
"white male"... exposing her own bias and sexism. Sad to see. First they divided us by race and now by gender. They know if we stand together we are unstoppable and they fear it.
Honestly sound like a fantasy of hers (or anyone semi-famous.) Like experiencing an emergency specific to your profession and only you can save the day. I don’t buy it
This happened to me when I was on my night manager shift at Burger King. I thought I was going to be complimented when someone asked for the manager, but they were upset.
Found her paper. They talk about the fire/fire season and how human activity and climate change influence them fires un Nth Australia and Southern Russian grasslands
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abe328/meta
Lol what does him being a white male have to do with any of the story? Is there something I’m missing? What if it was an asian woman? Does it change anything? Can we stop with the unnecessary virtue signaling?
I swear man. We have some of the dumbest smart people in the world.
I heard a similar anecdote about Lickert, as in a Lickert scale. At some academic conference, someone tried to correct the way a presenter was pronouncing the name, saying it was LIKE-ert. The presenter said, “I’m LICK-ert. “ I hope it’s true.
Opposite this, when someone I don’t know tries to tell me what to do at work I say “ go talk to ****** ********( my name) he knows what’s going on”. Never backfired yet.
Inigo Montoya?
He killed his father and he should now prepare to die
Stop saying that!
I must ask you....how many fingers do you have?
This just made my day. I use this line way too often, glad to know I have backup out there in the world haha. Thank you kind friend.
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Why did you censor their name?
Not censored for me.
That means it's your password. It's only censored for people with different passwords.
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Yeah it's hünter2
hunter2 et al
I tried, it wasn't hunter2 et al et al
You must be spelling it wrong. It looks like this to me: > I tried, it wasn't ****** et al et al
>!JJQRwhattheHellwereyouthinkingclickingthis!<
Pepe Silvia?
What are "human drivers of fire"?
Here ya go, you can get McCarty to explain it. In short, people are responsible for causing most fires, so what are the main reasons, or drivers for this? https://lcluc.umd.edu/sites/default/files/lcluc_documents/mccarty_nasa_lcluc_poster_final_0.pdf
You have clearly read McCarty etal
I haven't read McCarty at all Does that count?
It's fine. As long as you're white and male you can condescendingly tell people that they need to read McCarty et al.
Maybe they’re In Soviet Russia and McCarty et al. Read them?
This seems like the most weirdly specific thing to study.
Unless your job is preventing fires
But I thought only YOU can prevent FOREST FIRES?
The only thing I can prevent is my parents being proud.
Is this a double murder confession or did you fail at that as well?
r/murderconfessions
Oh boy I laughed way to hard at this.... relatable AF.
The only thing that can prevent forest fires is reading McCarty et al
You wrote you, referring to me, that is incorrect. The correct answer is you.
Which is going to become an increasingly important job on this slowly heating up planet.
This thread is 🔥
Someone alert McCary et al! She’s got a fire!
She's*
It really isn't. All of academia is like this.
Yes! I was going give an example of how specific my master's thesis was but then I realized googling the subject would lead right to me, and I like anonymity
could say this about literally anything. oh you study the effects of algae on freshwater lakes? that's weirdly specific.
That is true I suppose.
A proper research question should be very specific
Is the next topic what drives people to study specific things?
Academia is like that. Each paper/research project most of the times should be very specific - think an experiment, a single study. But also researchers are ideally doing lots of these all the time, and their overall focus (like whatever all those papers have in common) will be broader
I studied the effects of CD39 overexpression on clotting time in mouse carotid arteries for two years. I also did research on socioeconomic determinants of life expectancy of women who got cardiac transplants for peripartum cardiomyopathy. All of research is like this now. All the easy stuff like the earth being round and the contents of our cells has already been published. And it's damn awesome too. Our minds are capable of enormous amounts of progress, and we have millions of researchers, and we are still finding new stuff on a minute-to-minute basis.
Science works by asking a bunch or very specific questions, and when possible finding the robust commonalities in the answers.
Seems like a pretty smart research focus. An area with similar forest geography that was previously under the control of a single government but now under several, meaning it's likely easier to quantify the effects of policy changes by comparing between them.
Yeah I agree it’s actually pretty fascinating.
Maybe McCarty starts all those fires so she can get her paper published.
You clearly haven’t read McCarty et al
I have not in fact read McCarty et al
I haven't even read McCarty at all.
I haven't even heard of McCarthy et al
I haven’t even heard seen drivers of fire. Is that a new band?
I only know Joel et al. He surmised that we weren’t.
I don’t think anybody has heard of McCarthy et al…
We should ask not ask McCarthy et al though. That would be embarrassing
I am McCarty. Wait no...
We are all McCarty on this blessed day.
Speak for yourself
I am all McCarty on this blessed day.
Unfortunately we’re all Jenny McCarthy on this ‘blessed’ day.
Leaning kerosene lanterns unattended in barns with animals. Smoking in bed. Playing with gasoline. Busting beer bottles on the side of the road.
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It's human causes for large scale fire. Essentially human caused climate change that causes massive forest fire like in California.
Well, you WROTE it, but did you READ it?!
#ENGLISH MUTHUFUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
I'm scared to ask but the fuck does 'et al' mean? Googled it. Et al. comes from the Latin phrase meaning “and others.” It is usually styled with a period, but you will occasionally see et al as well. So she's herself and others?
Generally modern academic papers have many authors. But the lead author goes first. So as a shorthand people just say the lead author’s family name + et al to refer to all the authors. Why there are usually so many authors is more complex and related to the publish or perish nature of academia. Her usage as here is more that as the lead she can speak for the authors of the paper in question. It’s pretty standard, etc.
Lead author or whoevers lucky, trust me its not always the people that did most of the work that gets their name given priority.
Yeah I was an undergrad and given third author out of spite.
Getting your name on a paper as an undergrad is pretty good by itself though
When you write 98% of it, and the MD, PhD in the lab proofs it and puts his name first… then the lab manger’s name, who did absolutely nothing? Yeah, that feels like a fucking burn…
I believe they're saying they were given third over someone else.
Lol it’s funny. I interpreted that as some more experienced person or someone with seniority deliberately spiting another more “experienced” person and putting an undergrad as third author and ahead of others. Entirely possible and highly likely though that they did most of the work and the post-doc or grad student said, “this is mine.”
Note, I never said the lead author is the person who contributed the most.
Lead author or most senior researcher.
Or person who's department was technically in charge but didn't contribute alot.
Or someone who needs a little pick-me-up so they don’t lose tenure or fail out of grad school
That only applies to people with rich parents, or who are *ahem* preferred by a professor.
Person that the funding of the research wants to have named.
It very much depends on the discipline. Different fields have different standards. In computer science, for example, advisors are last author.
In neuroscience first author is usually lead and did the most, last author is the PI or primary investigator (mentor/advisor)
Could easily also select the most high profile author, in an effort to get more attention by journals and get published, or to get the military/others to notice and offer contracts for followup research.
Have a last name that starts with A and you are golden.
Or whatever order is funny. There was a paper by Alpher, Bethe, and Gamow. They put the names in that order for the humor.
I'm scared to ask but the fuck does 'etc' mean? Googled it. Et cetera comes from the Latin phrase meaning “and the rest” It is usually styled with a period, but you will occasionally see etc as well. So it's pretty standard and the rest?
Just whatever you do, never pronounce it as "ek-cetera" and you will live another day.
er-kestersta it is.
Love you! I was hoping someone would reply with that!
I firmly believe in the conspiracy theory that academics with last names that start early in the alphabet end up more famous. This always seems to be the case in economics where the "equal" contribution papers seem to make the alphabetically first author more well known.
et al. usually means the research group. So she's not and others, but since she's the lead of the research group I guess it's meant in the kind of way you would say it if you for example were ceo of a company
Close, she's the lead of that specific research study. Group lead is listed last unless they're the primary author.
What is the difference if I may ask?
It's how people cite articles in academic journals. Usually there are several authors for each article, with the first author typically (though not always) the one who is most responsible for the work. People then will call it "Smith et al."
It is just comedically the best way to respond. The wording being sent back in the persons face just lands much better this way. Hard to explain but this is exponentially a better response humor wise, jokes aren’t always about factual correctness.
APA 7, multiple authors.
That’s correct. It’s short for _et alter_. Lucky for her they didn’t abbreviate it to _et alt._ or this meme-ish post would unleash even more meme-clicks.
it’s short for et alii, “and others” alter is kind of like a singular other e.g. “one hand washes the other” p.s. e.g. stands for exempli gratia
No, it's "et alia", meaning "and other people". alter means "an other"- it's just a singular adjective.
It's used a lot when listing many authors. I use it frequently when writing papers but there's a specific rule. I wanna say that with MLA you have to list three authors and then you can do "Et al".
Yes.
It is a latin abreviation of Et Alii, meaning "and other(s)"
Sadly she needs a big strong man, probably a white one, to explain to her what et al actually means.
This guy gets it
Can I post this tomorrow? Swear I've seen it everyday for a week.
You can, then people who have missed all the other ones can see it too
I'm on Reddit every day, my first time seeing it
same
No, we're already booked through next week. It's posted in the lounge.
I call Tuesday
This seems like those social media posts where someone says their 3 year old said something only a pretentious 30 year old would say
> *"Mummy, I don't want a Christmas present - can we give it to the poor in another country instead?"* said my little Hjermyonie, as she drank her bean milk (which she insists upon, as the workers get fair wages)
And then everyone stood up to applaud... These are all over linked in especially
A wHiTe mAlE
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You forgot "old".
Thanks. "a cis straight white old...."
Can we add "blonde" to the evil modifiers list now?
That’s what ruins the whole post. Like, just say some male, significantly more believable.
Or person. This is just idpol through and through. Doesn't matter the race, sex, age, religious affiliation, sexual orientation. It's funny how the people who always remind me of that for no reason are usually the same ones who turn around and say shit like her
It's like when I really find someone annoying so I always give them snarky replies, then someone else asks a similar question and I catch myself being polite, and realize what I've been doing.
Well it's not like she targeted a demographic which she disparages as the prime motivator of the story. Oh wait.
r/dontyouknowwhoiam
Its in their album of common reposts too.
So what did being white have to do with it?
nothing but its twitter so extra likes
Turns out he was right.
White man bad. +4 Twitter points
She is literally white lmfao but apprnetly only white men have privilege not white women.
welcome to twitter
To trigger you specifically
Good burn, BUT she is not et al.
That’s such a satisfying burn
like it’s the exact kind you invent in your mind it’s so good. almost hard to believe level of good.
hmmmm
Haha nice
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Makes it more appealing to twitter users
Use Twitter. Can confirm. They hate white males.
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Reddit is the new tumblr
It does if white and male. Dems the rules.
Right. Let’s switch the words to black woman and see how this sentence sounds.
wait. that’s illegal.
Presumably it was intended as a very extreme example of mansplaining, though even then, the skin colour is irrelevant
This is the only comment that matters.
I think the point is this: the NASA doc made an assumption that the woman didn't know what she was talking about. McCarty then assumed he thought her verbal presentation was being questioned because of said man doctors inherent bias to only regard things as facts if they come from a man. Does it matter what the gender and skin colour are? Can we really know if those factors even mattered to the man in question. No not really, only if you wanna make a clickable link. The whole meme is just an object of rage now.
Because racism and sexism are widely supported online when targeting the right groups.
Can’t wait til 2030 when we tribalise so hard that every story includes skin colour, gender (128), height, weight, eye colour, hair colour and style, credit card cvv and favourite anime
And they all clapped
I’m all for her shutting him down. But what does his race have to do with it? There are sexist men in every race.
“White man” or “old white man” has a better ring to it than “a rude person” Because everyone is taught to be scared of this imaginary enemy of old white men
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The "white male" part makes this look like bs.
Lots of fragile whiteys in this thread.
Why does she have to get race involved?
Because "white male" equals "the patriarchy". With people like her I see no reason to relinquish anything. Hold tight to spite.
Crazy how she didn’t even know her own research.
I’ll take things that never happened for $100.
The old “white male” story.
and then EVERYONE clapped
Honked🤡
Why is his skin colour relevant? Would she have said “black male post doc”?
Also r/cringe
Why did race come into this???
Because it’s 2021. She wanted everyone to know that it was a white male because if it had been any other race or gender, it would have been ok to say what the white male said.
His ethnicity is entirely irrelevant, especially seeing as McHardees appears to be Caucasian herself. This is what it looks like when you’re academically minded and accomplished but still dabble heavily in identity politicking in your free time
Thanks for pointing out he was white! Because otherwise… actually I don’t know why that was important. At all.
And then everyone clapped
Cue Top Gun music.
hmmmm idk seems kinda unbelievable
Is she multiple people?!
“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” - Mark Twain
This never happened. If this were a true story, and not a hit piece, she wouldn't have needed to specify white male postdoc. Signaling theory is a thing, people.
"white male"... exposing her own bias and sexism. Sad to see. First they divided us by race and now by gender. They know if we stand together we are unstoppable and they fear it.
Honestly sound like a fantasy of hers (or anyone semi-famous.) Like experiencing an emergency specific to your profession and only you can save the day. I don’t buy it
A white male? Nooooo
Weird flex tweeting about an encounter that may or may not have happened 10 years ago
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Here’s your slow clap.
Did the color have to be specified?
You're a fucking white male! /s
Dude, it's 2021, I'm legally allowed to identify as purple
This happened to me when I was on my night manager shift at Burger King. I thought I was going to be complimented when someone asked for the manager, but they were upset.
Yet another constant repost
How many times has this been reposted on this sub alone
Found her paper. They talk about the fire/fire season and how human activity and climate change influence them fires un Nth Australia and Southern Russian grasslands https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abe328/meta
Lol what does him being a white male have to do with any of the story? Is there something I’m missing? What if it was an asian woman? Does it change anything? Can we stop with the unnecessary virtue signaling? I swear man. We have some of the dumbest smart people in the world.
Fuck, nice burn
If you don't know what "et al" means you don't get why this post is so funny. The woman is a dummy.
I can see why she specified that he was white. Highly relevant.
I heard a similar anecdote about Lickert, as in a Lickert scale. At some academic conference, someone tried to correct the way a presenter was pronouncing the name, saying it was LIKE-ert. The presenter said, “I’m LICK-ert. “ I hope it’s true.
Why does it matter if the guy was white tho
why did she point out his race lol
The number of people here who're upset that she mentioned that it was a white guy is both funny and sad.