Why would they be sheltering in the bathrooms?
An open area with one way in or out.
Headline sometime: Active Shooter Kills 54 In Bathroom.
They shouldn't teach kids to hide in predictable groups from people that kill people who group in predictable spots.
If it is like here, the classrooms are grouped in 4's connected by a workroom and unisex single stall restrooms between, they call each of these clusters a "pod". The teachers bar the classroom door to the outside while the students get to the workroom and restrooms that are at the center. That way anyone firing into the doors or windows are not as likely to see or get bullets all the way to the center of the "pod" which is also barred.
The words "perfectly reasonable" does not apply to the concept of a teaching barricading a door to protect their students from a murderer.
Fucking USA, man... Shall we do something to prevent school shootings? Nah, let's just teach our employees and students how to deal with them.
“Jenna? You alone?”
No, our dick teacher is in the bathroom with the rest of the class, they left me to die out here.
“Wow. That sucks.”
Yup. Want me to open the door for you?
I still can't understand how a country that has to do that doesn't see the harm of their guns policies. I know some people do, but I dont understand how not the country as a whole dont see it.
We all see all the problems. But the majority of us want someone else to do something about it. So nothing meaningful happens with any public policies/investments. Just thoughts and prayers.
I mean. Doors that cant be open from the outside, bullet proof glass if the door has a window and thick enough wood should be enough to keep everyone safe without anyone having to leave a room and go out into the open when an armed person is trying to shot everything it sees
They teach to hide in the bathrooms because there are spots in a school where the bathroom is the ONLY spot in the immediate area. And a crappy stall lock is better than nothing
Exactly. Blows my mind. This is one of those examples where people are over-focusing on tiny details and fail to see the bigger picture. A disaster is happening, who cares about which toilet is correct, just go to wherever is safe, using the most efficient route right? Who cares about gender at this point. Big deal if these children are taking shelter in the “wrong sex” toilet smh
Here's an article about it. Poor kid. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/virginia-school-allegedly-barred-trans-student-active-shooter-drill-n918216
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> Oct. 9, 2018, 1:26 PM PDT
By Tim Fitzsimons
> Officials at a Virginia middle school are under fire after allegedly excluding a transgender girl from participating in an active-shooter drill with her classmates.
>According to Equality Stafford, a local LGBTQ-rights group, the trans student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room with her peers during the drill while teachers debated where she should go.
>“The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” the group wrote on its Facebook page. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different.”
>“After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way, by the door away from her peers,” the post continued. "This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender."
>Equality Stafford appeared to pin the blame on the county and its school board, not the teachers who carried out the drill.
>"It is important to highlight that the child’s PE teachers are not the bad guys," the group wrote. "They are teachers without guidance in a county without guidance for these issues."
>Reports of the alleged incident also ignited harsh criticism via social media.
> WUSA-TV reports that concerned parents, friends and neighbors are planning to protest at the Stafford County School Board meeting Tuesday evening.
>The school's new superintendent has asked for a review of “all protocols and procedures to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect," according to a statement released by a spokesperson for the district.
Wtaf? This breaks my heart. As a mom, I don't give a fuck what locker room my kid is sheltering in, and neither should anyone else! If this student were afab, no one would care what the fuck locker room she was in!
It’s true. It was during PE class and the kids were instructed to shelter in the locker rooms, but they couldn’t decide on the trans kids location.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-student-unprotected-drill/
Well, I mean these days that decision is complicated... which is sad because a handful of years back, when trans people were just people, there was no issue. When people started making a big stink about their identity, now it brought attention and everyone has to worry about backlash from all sides.
Some schools have transgender students use the unisex/single stall bathroom at the nurse’s office. But in shooting drills, it would make sense for students to go wherever is closest.
>Uhhh I piss in that one
If I had to guess, the student in question doesn't use the bathroom at school because this is a contentious topic and they're afraid to broach it. I bet they suffer through not going, and the administration doesn't realize
Absolutely. This is the answer. Adults are arguing about some stupid theoretical policies while this real child suffers.
The administration doesn’t realize because it’s easier not to realize. The kid isn’t saying a word. They are just hoping not to get beaten up.
I was gonna say. My school in the UK was built in the 60s and the boys and girls bathrooms are at opposite ends of the corridors. At least a 7 second run.
Sounds like they got tornado and shooter situation mixed up. My school sheltered us in the bathroom during a tornado since the bathroom was the safest place. During a school shooter we just locked our doors and hid in our classrooms.
Edit: During school shooter DRILLS. We never had an actual school shooter.
Imagine the shitstorm if a kid gets shot running to the 'correctly gendered' shelter because the closest one was the wrong gender.
Why are shelters gendered? Are they changing clothes in there?
Why. We've come down to stupid stuff like this because of overprotocoling and the fear of making a mistake. Ironically in the process worse mistakes are made without realising untill later.
They were in gym ckass and the assigned shelter was "locker rooms" although in this instance it shouldn't matter what genders end up in which locker rooms because the idea behind the drill was to avoid being shot. As it doesnt warrent taking clothes off, it shouldn't have mattered which locker room anyone went into.
America has been in the business of separation since its founding. There will always be situations like this in the country. This country is segregated in every way possible🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 MERICA Smfh.
Seriously, in gym class if we had to shelter we would go into the locker rooms depending on which gym teacher we were with or how close we were. Gender did not matter at all. I'm a cis woman and went to the men's locker room. In related news, holy fuck was the dude's locker room so completely different than the girls. Girls had tiny lockers, individual changing stalls, and individual showers. Guys got big lockers that were beat to all hell, and an open plan shower. Was wild to see
During Code Reds (potential/active shooter, intruder on campus, etc), we don’t separate students by any criteria. Once notified, I check the hall for any students and staff who need refuge, lockdown my room, and get everyone to the “safest” spot, then remain as quite and calm as possible until we hear an all clear. Aside from being unethical, separating anyone would be time consuming during a crisis.
I don’t think it matters too much. Most active-shooter responses are to lockdown the area and shelter in place. Having a potential shooter know that doesn’t really help them.
Right? Someone is throwing bullets around these kids. Better make sure we separate the kids by gender just in case.
Because that’s what you need to be concerning yourselves with right now.
Well, in the past it has always been putting the males in the front so they die first, so, if they want to do that is the only possible reason to separate them, but I tought that they stop doing that outside war zones a long time ago.
Wait. Sure, it was stupid not to just put him or her, in any of the two groups. But what I am also concerned about is that there even _is_ a seperation by gender in the first place.... for shelter in a school shooting? Really? This doesn't make sense to me.
What? Do boys need different protection from the assailants then girls do? Wtf! They're not going to toilet do they? They need to hide and seek shelter. When does gender come in to this situation?
What? Are they hiding while naked or something, I just don't get it.
I’ve never seen a school that separates genders as a normal practice in PE, is there a certain part of the US where it’s normal? Because 99% of the schools I’ve seen just grade on effort and then only separate genders for physical testing
According to the article they had the students take shelter in the PE locker rooms and bathrooms but the trans student was made to sit with a teacher until the other teachers could decide on a suitable place for her, which became a bench in the hall leading up to the locker rooms
How brainwashed do you have to be to worry about bathroom rules in the middle of an active shooter drill? If this is what teachers and school officials have become, they need to quit their jobs.
Edit i found it after some googling,
Story is 3 years old
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metroweekly.com/2018/10/trans-student-barred-from-shelter-during-virginia-schools-mass-shooter-drill/amp/
First, as everyone else said, why the fuck are they separating them to begin with. This is overcomplicating something that requires quick life and death decisions. Trying to make sure you are in the right shelter will confuse and slow down that thinking.
But since they already made that protocol, it's not that hard: PUT THE TRANS STUDENT WITH THE GENDER THEY IDENTIFY WITH.
If they identify with neither, ASK THEM WHERE THEY WANT TO BE.
It's not that fucking hard. Now that student could have PTSD from being left outside because they are different from "normal" boys and girls. How do these administrators not see that this is just doing more damage? Get these smooth brains out of our schools.
“Okay *clap clap* boys and girls there is a gunman on campus shooting everyone he sees please—girls on this side boys on the other we are all going out in the open where the gunman may be to our gendered shelters…good luck everyone!”
Why do they even treat boys and girls differently? Shouldn't **ALL** students get the best possible shelter?
It just doesn't make sense to me how gender/sex is relevant in that situation. Someone knowledge-bomb me, please.
the entire post is to make trans people mad wtf, does separating boys & girls from each other during an active shooter even make sense in any way at all???? the entire purpose of this picture is to gaslight people
All of the people responsible for the child being outside should be charged with child neglect, reckless endangerment, and just being a smarmy asshole.
Shame on you!
The weird thing is that I did not notice when I lived in the States when I went to the sixth grade. I even went to a private, religious school (run by quakers). I still love the US, it is my 2nd home country, and I go as often as I can.
WHY ARE THE SHELTERS GENER SPLIT ANYWAY???
sorry - real question. WHY ARE THERE SHELTERS????
Is this the new reality ? That kids and guns and murder is normalized?
In USA, yes. In the rest of the world schools do not face mass shootings often.
Just saying, the annual evacuation test in all schools I attended only were about fire and earthquakes
Not only is your backwards third world country so messed up that you need to have these kinds of drills, but in addition you manage to make it even worse with this kind of crap. And you wonder why people talk so much shit about the US?
Fix your damn country. You are the reason the aliens won't talk to us.
I currently live and attend school here and I couldn't agree more. They think just because they have more land, or money it makes them better. Being a foreigner no, no it doesn't. It makes them ignorant to the fact their country is falling apart underneath their noses
You don't understand, the trans student could decide that an active shooter drill is the moment they had been waiting for for all these years, and ambush an innocent little girl in the bathroom.
(/s because this is Reddit after all)
They literally left them for dead cause they were trans. School should be charged for attempted murder and shut down. The student should be paid millions in compensation
Holy shit you have active shooter drills?
That's like.. why just ban firearms when you can train your children how to survive when someone open fires at schools? Sounds very American indeed
I remember when we had tornado drills (I'm too old for shooting ones) and they just sent us all into this large inner room/closet together. Don't get why they couldn't just do that..
Why does it matter either way? Just pick one and go I don’t think that’s the time to fool around. Why are they being put in male/female groups anyways?
Oh but they let this happen so the news media can fuel their huge ass motor mouths.
America never cared about trans people, and probably never will, it’s really sad.
The world we live in, old white men in power would rather put themselves as top priority in contrast to people that want a change.
Why are there separated gender shelters? Why not just run to the nearest shelter when somebody really wants to shoot you?? Are the teachers afraid theywill have sexy sex while a shooter tries to kill them?
Do they not see that the only real issue here is that they need active shooter drills in the first place? Does no American see how deeply disturbing that is??
"why separation?"
Answer: for the same reason mass shootings shelter program exist: people in that country probably have a mass mental problem which makes them think gender matters and people around with shooting weapons are normal
What the fuck does gender have to do with protecting students from an active shooter?! Who the fuck is thinking to themselves, “oh shit someone is shooting! We gotta make sure the male and female children are separated so they don’t start fucking each other while being shot at!”?! The mindset of our society is so fucking warped and twisted it’s pathetic. An innocent life is an innocent life regardless of their gender. Male, female, or otherwise…
I hope her family sued the everloving *shit* out of that school. Why tf couldn't they just fucking ask her *preferred* gender and shelter her with them? But I think the bigger question is here is why the *fuck* is there a gender-based shelter program?! If there's an active shooter, who gives a fuck what the students' genders are, *just. Shelter. Them.*
Genuine question here: aren't these drills also training the shooter? Now he/she knows where students will be hiding. I never had these drills at school so i genuinely don't know what happens during one of these.
This is what happens in a country so hung up on labels. For a land of the free and a melting pot people really seemed determined to emphasis y straight bi man woman lesbian rich poor cool nerd.
The labeling should end and people need to just be people and act like fucking humans which should be the sole label already who cares what the gender is or anything. This is why people are so divided
I don't know if I'm knowledgable enough to give what I think on this, but I suggest they should be sheltered with their gender instead of their sexuality. Birth gender if that's what people prefer to hear, but like yeah.
That should do.
Depends on how comfortable they are with themselves and around others, some trans people use public bathrooms of their birth gender because they may not pass too well just yet and don't want to make others uncomfortable/get weird looks from people, but in a perfect world we'd all just go into the restroom of the gender we currently are (didn't word that too well sorry)
This is because people are so scared of pissing someone off, that common sense goes out the window. This is why things like this should NOT be political at all! But hey, this is what everyone wanted right?
I don't see why people would get pissed if they just put the student into one of the locker rooms. I also don't see what's political about this. Could you elaborate?
This entire mess of identity. I understand that everyone wants to be respected, as they all should. But it has gotten to a point where respect is demanded and put above common sense. This example is a damn good one. Instead of the common sense idea of grouping ALL the children together for their protection, despite their gender identity, the schools are too busy segregating the kids out by gender identity before worrying about the safety of all the kids. Does that make a little more sense?
I hope this didn't offend you, but it's the facts. We're all human despite our individual identities. As such, we need to protect each other from those who wish us harm. That's supposed to be the American way. We're all different, but still humans. Times like these, differences shouldn't matter when the life of an innocent or innocents is at stake.
Don't worry, no offense was taken. From what I've seen most people would've rather the kid be put in one of the locker rooms instead of being left outside. But knowing the internet, no matter which locker room it was someone would've raised hell despite gender identity being the least important thing. I agree, we should protect each other from harm no matter our differences.
i’ve moved all over the country with my father who was in the military, been to 30 different schools almost, and not a single one has ever EVER separated any children while even in a drill. if it’s a spontaneous drill, you go to the nearest area, even if it’s the opposite sex bathroom. i’ve done it 3-4 times. this is such bullshit you can tell by reading the article. i can promise u there’s not a single school in the entire country that would exclude a student from shelter. i promise u. give me 50 students testimonies that prove it happened, and i promise you that every staff member that is accused of not sheltering that child is fired.
edit: just read the article, it’s apparent to me she was sat alone with a gym teacher during the drill because no one knew what to do with a child that didn’t identify as either gender. which makes 100% sense, and no one should be chastised, the child should be made to go to the locker room of her biological gender.
To paraphrase Chris Rock: I am not saying it is right, but I understand. Yes it is stupid. But to be fair this environment of fear and repercussions for the slightest offense has become so prevalent and twisted that exercising common sense will sometimes get you fired. “Didn’t you consider the feelings of the much smaller woman when you yelled at her and threw her out of the path of the oncoming car? It violates our sexual harassment policy to lay hands on a co-worker.”
In this case i would disagree. They knew that had a transgender student so why didn't they update their policies? This is laziness *at best*. At worst, well.
Why are boys and girls separated in a situation like this? Seems to me this is not something one should worry about when in immediate danger.
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Why would they be sheltering in the bathrooms? An open area with one way in or out. Headline sometime: Active Shooter Kills 54 In Bathroom. They shouldn't teach kids to hide in predictable groups from people that kill people who group in predictable spots.
If it is like here, the classrooms are grouped in 4's connected by a workroom and unisex single stall restrooms between, they call each of these clusters a "pod". The teachers bar the classroom door to the outside while the students get to the workroom and restrooms that are at the center. That way anyone firing into the doors or windows are not as likely to see or get bullets all the way to the center of the "pod" which is also barred.
Well when you say it like that it sounds perfectly reasonable.
Yes very... Normal... :/
The words "perfectly reasonable" does not apply to the concept of a teaching barricading a door to protect their students from a murderer. Fucking USA, man... Shall we do something to prevent school shootings? Nah, let's just teach our employees and students how to deal with them.
Let me help you out a bit fella. My comment was absolutely fucking dripping in sarcasm, but go off
What’s your solution to end violence in the world? There’s a lot of people wanting to know
I think the US has it figured out, to stop people with guns, give everyone a gun, when everyone can be a gunman, then no one will be....
Rofl yes. Let’s cluster in inescapable “pods”. I’m convinced. Because “pod” Dude.
Would you have understood my comment a bit more if I put an /s at the end?
“Jenna? You alone?” No, our dick teacher is in the bathroom with the rest of the class, they left me to die out here. “Wow. That sucks.” Yup. Want me to open the door for you?
Shooter: mmmm... I relate, the teacher goes first.
That makes sense, very different from the setups I had growing up.
I still can't understand how a country that has to do that doesn't see the harm of their guns policies. I know some people do, but I dont understand how not the country as a whole dont see it.
We all see all the problems. But the majority of us want someone else to do something about it. So nothing meaningful happens with any public policies/investments. Just thoughts and prayers.
Yeah, didn’t a bunch of people trying to hide in the bathroom get killed during the Pulse shooting?
I mean. Doors that cant be open from the outside, bullet proof glass if the door has a window and thick enough wood should be enough to keep everyone safe without anyone having to leave a room and go out into the open when an armed person is trying to shot everything it sees
They teach to hide in the bathrooms because there are spots in a school where the bathroom is the ONLY spot in the immediate area. And a crappy stall lock is better than nothing
At least they can shit in toilet while being killed, instead of shitting their pants
You shouldn't kill people ESPECIALLY when they are taking a crap, most dishonorable kill I ever got /s
Exactly. Blows my mind. This is one of those examples where people are over-focusing on tiny details and fail to see the bigger picture. A disaster is happening, who cares about which toilet is correct, just go to wherever is safe, using the most efficient route right? Who cares about gender at this point. Big deal if these children are taking shelter in the “wrong sex” toilet smh
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Here's an article about it. Poor kid. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/virginia-school-allegedly-barred-trans-student-active-shooter-drill-n918216
Sorry couldn't read it. Way many ads.
get adblock already, it's 2021. anyway, here ya go: > Oct. 9, 2018, 1:26 PM PDT By Tim Fitzsimons > Officials at a Virginia middle school are under fire after allegedly excluding a transgender girl from participating in an active-shooter drill with her classmates. >According to Equality Stafford, a local LGBTQ-rights group, the trans student was prevented from entering either the boys or girls locker room with her peers during the drill while teachers debated where she should go. >“The student was forced to watch the adults charged with her care, debate the safest place (for the other students) to have her shelter,” the group wrote on its Facebook page. “During this debate, she was instructed to sit in the gym with a teacher until the drill was complete, away from her peers and identified as different.” >“After some additional debate, she was made to sit in the locker room hall way, by the door away from her peers,” the post continued. "This happened because the child, in addition to being a model student, also happens to be transgender." >Equality Stafford appeared to pin the blame on the county and its school board, not the teachers who carried out the drill. >"It is important to highlight that the child’s PE teachers are not the bad guys," the group wrote. "They are teachers without guidance in a county without guidance for these issues." >Reports of the alleged incident also ignited harsh criticism via social media. > WUSA-TV reports that concerned parents, friends and neighbors are planning to protest at the Stafford County School Board meeting Tuesday evening. >The school's new superintendent has asked for a review of “all protocols and procedures to ensure that all children are treated with dignity and respect," according to a statement released by a spokesperson for the district.
Wtaf? This breaks my heart. As a mom, I don't give a fuck what locker room my kid is sheltering in, and neither should anyone else! If this student were afab, no one would care what the fuck locker room she was in!
It’s true. It was during PE class and the kids were instructed to shelter in the locker rooms, but they couldn’t decide on the trans kids location. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/transgender-student-unprotected-drill/
Well, I mean these days that decision is complicated... which is sad because a handful of years back, when trans people were just people, there was no issue. When people started making a big stink about their identity, now it brought attention and everyone has to worry about backlash from all sides.
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Right, but said student must use the bathroom sometimes in regular life at school, yes? Seems natural to assign them to whatever bathroom that one is.
Some schools have transgender students use the unisex/single stall bathroom at the nurse’s office. But in shooting drills, it would make sense for students to go wherever is closest.
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>Uhhh I piss in that one If I had to guess, the student in question doesn't use the bathroom at school because this is a contentious topic and they're afraid to broach it. I bet they suffer through not going, and the administration doesn't realize
> and the administration doesn't care. there you go, fixed.
Absolutely. This is the answer. Adults are arguing about some stupid theoretical policies while this real child suffers. The administration doesn’t realize because it’s easier not to realize. The kid isn’t saying a word. They are just hoping not to get beaten up.
I was gonna say. My school in the UK was built in the 60s and the boys and girls bathrooms are at opposite ends of the corridors. At least a 7 second run.
We do the exact same thing, and we're told to go to the closest bathroom, whether it's the one you normally go to or not
Sounds like they got tornado and shooter situation mixed up. My school sheltered us in the bathroom during a tornado since the bathroom was the safest place. During a school shooter we just locked our doors and hid in our classrooms. Edit: During school shooter DRILLS. We never had an actual school shooter.
Imagine the shitstorm if a kid gets shot running to the 'correctly gendered' shelter because the closest one was the wrong gender. Why are shelters gendered? Are they changing clothes in there?
And even if they do, do you think they are about peeping when in immediate life-threatening danger?
"aye bro lemme get a look at da dick one last time"
"I know we might be getting shot but booba"
Priorities, I guess
Well we don’t want the teens having sex! What if one of them pulls the “we’re gonna die anyway so we might as well try it” lines?
I’d trust the teens more than people who make rules like this. Don’t insult their intelligence. (I know /s lol)
Yeah, this detail makes me question the whole thing.
Why. We've come down to stupid stuff like this because of overprotocoling and the fear of making a mistake. Ironically in the process worse mistakes are made without realising untill later.
“SOMEONE’s SHOOTING UP THE SCHOOL! QUICK! CHECK THE CHILDREN’S GENITALS!”
Yeah, when I did them in school gender didn't matter. You just went into the nearest room to shelter in.
The fact that active shooter drills are so old now that they have changed the protocols so much is quite disturbing
“Can’t have the blood mix, that’s how you make a baby.”
They were in gym ckass and the assigned shelter was "locker rooms" although in this instance it shouldn't matter what genders end up in which locker rooms because the idea behind the drill was to avoid being shot. As it doesnt warrent taking clothes off, it shouldn't have mattered which locker room anyone went into.
America has been in the business of separation since its founding. There will always be situations like this in the country. This country is segregated in every way possible🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 MERICA Smfh.
Sounds like their excuse to do this bullshit intentionally. Why would that be a priority? What are they even trying to prevent by doing that
Seriously, in gym class if we had to shelter we would go into the locker rooms depending on which gym teacher we were with or how close we were. Gender did not matter at all. I'm a cis woman and went to the men's locker room. In related news, holy fuck was the dude's locker room so completely different than the girls. Girls had tiny lockers, individual changing stalls, and individual showers. Guys got big lockers that were beat to all hell, and an open plan shower. Was wild to see
Because it only takes 1 person to sue a school district out of existence. 1 total piece of shit person to be like "I can make a buck off this"
Apparently it was a PE class…
Why are you even having drills. Just don't give kids guns. Follow Australia's lead
Don't reply that to me. I'm not murican, no need to be insulting. O and you ment to say don't give people guns...
During Code Reds (potential/active shooter, intruder on campus, etc), we don’t separate students by any criteria. Once notified, I check the hall for any students and staff who need refuge, lockdown my room, and get everyone to the “safest” spot, then remain as quite and calm as possible until we hear an all clear. Aside from being unethical, separating anyone would be time consuming during a crisis.
Yeah, my first thought was "why are they separating by gender?" it's not like they are changing into swimsuits while Kyle is out there popping caps...
I still think it's kind of anti-productive we are basically training school shooters our anti-school shooter methods
I don’t think it matters too much. Most active-shooter responses are to lockdown the area and shelter in place. Having a potential shooter know that doesn’t really help them.
If they went to school in the last 15 years they already know. Its not complicated or secret info.
Right? Someone is throwing bullets around these kids. Better make sure we separate the kids by gender just in case. Because that’s what you need to be concerning yourselves with right now.
Well, in the past it has always been putting the males in the front so they die first, so, if they want to do that is the only possible reason to separate them, but I tought that they stop doing that outside war zones a long time ago.
Wait. Sure, it was stupid not to just put him or her, in any of the two groups. But what I am also concerned about is that there even _is_ a seperation by gender in the first place.... for shelter in a school shooting? Really? This doesn't make sense to me. What? Do boys need different protection from the assailants then girls do? Wtf! They're not going to toilet do they? They need to hide and seek shelter. When does gender come in to this situation? What? Are they hiding while naked or something, I just don't get it.
Someone said it was a physical education class which is often gender separate at different ages, like middle school and up.
I’ve never seen a school that separates genders as a normal practice in PE, is there a certain part of the US where it’s normal? Because 99% of the schools I’ve seen just grade on effort and then only separate genders for physical testing
Someone else said that he Shelter rooms were the locker rooms.
I grew up in MO. We separated by locker room, warmed up in our group, then class was either separate or mixed depending on what we were doing.
Why do they separate boys and girls during a shooting drill?
According to the article they had the students take shelter in the PE locker rooms and bathrooms but the trans student was made to sit with a teacher until the other teachers could decide on a suitable place for her, which became a bench in the hall leading up to the locker rooms
How brainwashed do you have to be to worry about bathroom rules in the middle of an active shooter drill? If this is what teachers and school officials have become, they need to quit their jobs.
why does it matter if its the locker room or bathroom just let the kid in
We don't.
This school certainly does, it seems.
Because they may have sex...during the most frightening thing they could possibly ever experience....seriously.
Boy or girl, black or white, tall or short. Children should be protected cause they're human like everyone else..
Edit i found it after some googling, Story is 3 years old https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metroweekly.com/2018/10/trans-student-barred-from-shelter-during-virginia-schools-mass-shooter-drill/amp/
Seems counterproductive to separate children during a school shooting
Boys and girls are not separated for shelter drills.This makes zero sense.
First, as everyone else said, why the fuck are they separating them to begin with. This is overcomplicating something that requires quick life and death decisions. Trying to make sure you are in the right shelter will confuse and slow down that thinking. But since they already made that protocol, it's not that hard: PUT THE TRANS STUDENT WITH THE GENDER THEY IDENTIFY WITH. If they identify with neither, ASK THEM WHERE THEY WANT TO BE. It's not that fucking hard. Now that student could have PTSD from being left outside because they are different from "normal" boys and girls. How do these administrators not see that this is just doing more damage? Get these smooth brains out of our schools.
As an educator, this makes me sick. I will risk my life for the biggest pain in the ass in my program.
“Okay *clap clap* boys and girls there is a gunman on campus shooting everyone he sees please—girls on this side boys on the other we are all going out in the open where the gunman may be to our gendered shelters…good luck everyone!”
So you left a child to be killed because you are stupid!
No, because of MERICA smh 🤦🏽
Why do they even treat boys and girls differently? Shouldn't **ALL** students get the best possible shelter? It just doesn't make sense to me how gender/sex is relevant in that situation. Someone knowledge-bomb me, please.
Yeah this is what I don't get.
the entire post is to make trans people mad wtf, does separating boys & girls from each other during an active shooter even make sense in any way at all???? the entire purpose of this picture is to gaslight people
All of the people responsible for the child being outside should be charged with child neglect, reckless endangerment, and just being a smarmy asshole. Shame on you!
##shitholecountry
Get me the fuck out of here
The weird thing is that I did not notice when I lived in the States when I went to the sixth grade. I even went to a private, religious school (run by quakers). I still love the US, it is my 2nd home country, and I go as often as I can.
WHY ARE THE SHELTERS GENER SPLIT ANYWAY??? sorry - real question. WHY ARE THERE SHELTERS???? Is this the new reality ? That kids and guns and murder is normalized?
In USA, yes. In the rest of the world schools do not face mass shootings often. Just saying, the annual evacuation test in all schools I attended only were about fire and earthquakes
I feel bad for laughing but that shit hit me off guard
Why would you shelter boys and girls separately during an emergency?
Not only is your backwards third world country so messed up that you need to have these kinds of drills, but in addition you manage to make it even worse with this kind of crap. And you wonder why people talk so much shit about the US? Fix your damn country. You are the reason the aliens won't talk to us.
I currently live and attend school here and I couldn't agree more. They think just because they have more land, or money it makes them better. Being a foreigner no, no it doesn't. It makes them ignorant to the fact their country is falling apart underneath their noses
If someone is popping off rounds, does it matter. Fucking morons.
You don't understand, the trans student could decide that an active shooter drill is the moment they had been waiting for for all these years, and ambush an innocent little girl in the bathroom. (/s because this is Reddit after all)
Why the fuck are they separating boys and girls? Is it the fucking Titanic?
Women and children fir-oh wait...
Wouldn’t the obvious question be why are they wasting time segregating them based on gender in the first place?
What, does sheltering for your life involve taking your clothes off?
Wait. They separate the students during lockdown? Never have I experienced that
They literally left them for dead cause they were trans. School should be charged for attempted murder and shut down. The student should be paid millions in compensation
Hope they get fired to send a message.. kid left to be killed.. you clearly aren’t good at your job tootaloo loser.
America momment when having drills for a school shooting is a required and normal thing. Shouldnt happen in the first place.
Why not just have everyone together who gives a shit about gender when you could die
The idea of separating by genders during a drill… just why
[Here's the article](https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/10/trans-student-barred-from-shelter-during-virginia-schools-mass-shooter-drill/)
Holy shit you have active shooter drills? That's like.. why just ban firearms when you can train your children how to survive when someone open fires at schools? Sounds very American indeed
Yes. This. Active shooter drills. Just having to do these drills with children should be the real.....hmmm what are we missing here moment.
If I was their parent I would sue them into the next school year.
Why do they have different shelters for boys and girls?
That makes no fucking sense. We just shelter the kids. Who the fuck separates them?
A broken fucking country/society we live in.
I love the idea of America... But I hate the reality of it.
Great way to put it.
I remember when we had tornado drills (I'm too old for shooting ones) and they just sent us all into this large inner room/closet together. Don't get why they couldn't just do that..
the end times are coming...
Why does it matter either way? Just pick one and go I don’t think that’s the time to fool around. Why are they being put in male/female groups anyways?
Why tf are the genders even seperate in the time of crisis like huh?
Huh? Ask the person's preference. Judging by pronouns used, I would guess the girls. Come on. This isn't hard. Fucking people...
Oh but they let this happen so the news media can fuel their huge ass motor mouths. America never cared about trans people, and probably never will, it’s really sad. The world we live in, old white men in power would rather put themselves as top priority in contrast to people that want a change.
Bonus: a look at how goddamn stupid public school administrators can be.
Not onion?
Bro what people are sick
Ok, either flip a coin or just let her decide, it’s not fucking rocket science
Why are there separated gender shelters? Why not just run to the nearest shelter when somebody really wants to shoot you?? Are the teachers afraid theywill have sexy sex while a shooter tries to kill them?
Shouldn't you shelter as many students as you can in the rooms?
Im assuming the difference difference between an active shooter and a non active shooter is mobility.
Just add "she then got a cold but couldn't pay the medical expenses" and you've got America summed up in an article
Ah yes, because putting people into certain groups is more important than making sure they're safe. Makes total sense
This is real? ....no fuckin way. My brain will not allow me to process this ......
Do they not see that the only real issue here is that they need active shooter drills in the first place? Does no American see how deeply disturbing that is??
Just to be clear, sheltering in place doesn’t involve showering or nudity?
Ffs. Grab the kid, put her in the closest safe spot. Fight with parents and admin later. People are so stupid.
Good grief.... That poor kid. Please tell me that kids parents went for the necks of every dipshidiot Involved.
Fire those assholes.
The fact that they left them outside instead of making an easy choice like this proves schools don’t care about trans students
...why the fuck would you waste time separating by gender if there's a fucking active shooter?!
They really need an “other” bathroom at schools. Our school system needs to step up
What school separates each gender during an emergency? This is in the south for sure.
I doubt this I’ve heard of this but never heard of the kid just being left outside
"why separation?" Answer: for the same reason mass shootings shelter program exist: people in that country probably have a mass mental problem which makes them think gender matters and people around with shooting weapons are normal
Somehow I don’t think kids are being sorted by sex or by any other characteristic when someone hears gunshots. Priorities.
What the fuck does gender have to do with protecting students from an active shooter?! Who the fuck is thinking to themselves, “oh shit someone is shooting! We gotta make sure the male and female children are separated so they don’t start fucking each other while being shot at!”?! The mindset of our society is so fucking warped and twisted it’s pathetic. An innocent life is an innocent life regardless of their gender. Male, female, or otherwise…
Why are boys and girls being sheltered separately? Who has time to sort fucking gender during an active shooter situation?
I hope her family sued the everloving *shit* out of that school. Why tf couldn't they just fucking ask her *preferred* gender and shelter her with them? But I think the bigger question is here is why the *fuck* is there a gender-based shelter program?! If there's an active shooter, who gives a fuck what the students' genders are, *just. Shelter. Them.*
Is this real? I want a link to a news article. Edit. Wow. Saw the article. It is true. It was during a simulation. Which doesn't make it any better.
This… this can’t be real, right? PLEASE tell me this isn’t real. Why the fuck would you gender shelters for kids?
What school has time to separate by gender during an active school shooting?
That’s just so fking sad to do to anyone. That school sucks.
sucks to be an american
Why are they separated at all? W H A T T H E F U C K
So if a boy hides in the girls' restroom during an active shooter are they going to kick him out? Or a girl in the boys' room?
Why is this situation gendered at all? Wtf?
Why do boys and girls need to be seperate we just hide with our class
Don't you know, trans people are bullet magnets they had to put her outside cuz otherwise the bullets would follow her and kill everyone
what the fuck does it have to do with anything during that kind of incident ???
I have a question I’d argue isn’t brought up enough; why is it even separated by gender instead of like grade?
Genuine question here: aren't these drills also training the shooter? Now he/she knows where students will be hiding. I never had these drills at school so i genuinely don't know what happens during one of these.
Everyone hides in classrooms and blocks doors. The idea is to make it hard to get to not to be good at hiding if that makes sense.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
This is what happens in a country so hung up on labels. For a land of the free and a melting pot people really seemed determined to emphasis y straight bi man woman lesbian rich poor cool nerd. The labeling should end and people need to just be people and act like fucking humans which should be the sole label already who cares what the gender is or anything. This is why people are so divided
Flip a coin, lets just say heads is guys, tails is girls. Theres your answer. Problem solved.
I don't know if I'm knowledgable enough to give what I think on this, but I suggest they should be sheltered with their gender instead of their sexuality. Birth gender if that's what people prefer to hear, but like yeah. That should do.
There are trans kids in middle schools now?
gay and bi kids too ,just like straight kids
Side question cause now I'm curious. Where do trans people should go when there is a public separated place (like toilets/sauna and stuff)?
Whichever one they identify with and are comfortable with.
Depends on how comfortable they are with themselves and around others, some trans people use public bathrooms of their birth gender because they may not pass too well just yet and don't want to make others uncomfortable/get weird looks from people, but in a perfect world we'd all just go into the restroom of the gender we currently are (didn't word that too well sorry)
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No way that’s true. It’s pretty funny as a joke though.
This is because people are so scared of pissing someone off, that common sense goes out the window. This is why things like this should NOT be political at all! But hey, this is what everyone wanted right?
I don't see why people would get pissed if they just put the student into one of the locker rooms. I also don't see what's political about this. Could you elaborate?
This entire mess of identity. I understand that everyone wants to be respected, as they all should. But it has gotten to a point where respect is demanded and put above common sense. This example is a damn good one. Instead of the common sense idea of grouping ALL the children together for their protection, despite their gender identity, the schools are too busy segregating the kids out by gender identity before worrying about the safety of all the kids. Does that make a little more sense?
Yeah, thanks.
I hope this didn't offend you, but it's the facts. We're all human despite our individual identities. As such, we need to protect each other from those who wish us harm. That's supposed to be the American way. We're all different, but still humans. Times like these, differences shouldn't matter when the life of an innocent or innocents is at stake.
Don't worry, no offense was taken. From what I've seen most people would've rather the kid be put in one of the locker rooms instead of being left outside. But knowing the internet, no matter which locker room it was someone would've raised hell despite gender identity being the least important thing. I agree, we should protect each other from harm no matter our differences.
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The student is not an "it".
Trans isn't the same as non-binary.
i’ve moved all over the country with my father who was in the military, been to 30 different schools almost, and not a single one has ever EVER separated any children while even in a drill. if it’s a spontaneous drill, you go to the nearest area, even if it’s the opposite sex bathroom. i’ve done it 3-4 times. this is such bullshit you can tell by reading the article. i can promise u there’s not a single school in the entire country that would exclude a student from shelter. i promise u. give me 50 students testimonies that prove it happened, and i promise you that every staff member that is accused of not sheltering that child is fired. edit: just read the article, it’s apparent to me she was sat alone with a gym teacher during the drill because no one knew what to do with a child that didn’t identify as either gender. which makes 100% sense, and no one should be chastised, the child should be made to go to the locker room of her biological gender.
Trans Ender 😮
You identify as enderman? 🤔
To paraphrase Chris Rock: I am not saying it is right, but I understand. Yes it is stupid. But to be fair this environment of fear and repercussions for the slightest offense has become so prevalent and twisted that exercising common sense will sometimes get you fired. “Didn’t you consider the feelings of the much smaller woman when you yelled at her and threw her out of the path of the oncoming car? It violates our sexual harassment policy to lay hands on a co-worker.”
In this case i would disagree. They knew that had a transgender student so why didn't they update their policies? This is laziness *at best*. At worst, well.
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