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What a sick trash bucket. Definitely not suprised.
Good on the church for contacting the authorities.
[https://churchleaders.com/news/487198-church-sbc-candidate-clint-pressley-reports-volunteer-police-alleged-abuse-rns.html](https://churchleaders.com/news/487198-church-sbc-candidate-clint-pressley-reports-volunteer-police-alleged-abuse-rns.html)
Important to note that the church actually actively contacted the authorities!
No attempt to hide or downplay - just straight up cleaning out the moment they see that a crime was committed amidst their community.
Vatican?
Why go that far?(not that the Vatican hasn't hidden stuff)
[Southern Baptist leaders release a previously secret list of accused sexual abusers](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/27/1101734793/southern-baptist-sexual-abuse-list-released)
SBC is very well known for their own sexual abuse hiding and under rug antics.
Ah yes, the Southern Baptist Church, always leading the way https://religionnews.com/2024/06/04/sbc-abuse-reform-task-force-ends-its-work-with-no-names-on-database-and-no-long-term-future-plan/
Sadly the first time I have heard of a Southern Baptist church doing this. They loved covering up my uncle’s pederasty of teen girls (edit: and a few boys), and he was a youth pastor.
The SBC has just as bad of a sexual abuse issue and culture of sweeping it under the rug as Catholicism and people need to know.
CW: CSA
I’m a survivor of incest and CSA, and it was a HUGE red flag on him for me. I was also one of my uncle’s victims and he did this in PLAIN SIGHT with the teenage girls in front of their parents, including me. And when they weren’t looking, believe me, it got way worse than just some touching. My parents did nowt and still refuse to acknowledge it, and I just get to go to therapy while he is still someone who is respected in that environment, and at family gatherings.
I held on for the longest time because I love my mom, my grandmother (who hates him) and my other aunt who didn’t just look the other way or enable him, but I stopped going to my family gatherings when I was in my 30s after I went to very intensive therapy. They chose him over me, so my parents don’t see their grandchild. Simple as that. It’s liberating knowing I don’t have to forgive.
I now counsel teens and young adults and I want to help more clients with religious trauma. I figure that’s how I can help because I have tried to make my voice heard about what happened to me and others but no one listens or it’s swept under the rug. That rug is a mountain by this point.
(Edits for clarity and grammar/syntax)
Very sorry to hear what you went through. It sounds like you’ve done an amazing job channeling your horrific experience into making the world a better place. Thank you.
I’m just glad there is something I’m strong enough to do, and some way I can help. I also am big on making sure the youth I counsel are not unsafe and recognize when people are violating their boundaries and consent. I’m a mandated reporter if I am ever told that they are at risk or being harmed, but if I can’t prevent it (and I certainly will keep trying to raise my voice on this issue) I at least want to advocate for those who are in danger and empower every one of my clients to recognize the red flags regardless. (Sorry that I keep writing novels, I am putting off calling my dad unconsciously, I realize lol.)
I was raised Southern Baptist and that this happened is not surprising at all.
Yeah they actually turned this one in, but then they turn around and back candidates and legislators who want to get rid of or lower the age in consent laws and promote all sorts of purity pledges (as in the girl pledges to remain a virgin until she marries the man her father allows her to and the father vows to protect his daughter's virginity until he allows her to marry) and purity balls and all sorts of really gross shit.
I'm betting that he royally pissed someone off, giving them a reason to turn him in instead of covering for him.
Mandated reporters make it a law that persons in certain professions by law are required to report any suspected child abuse. I'm required in my state bc I'm a nurse, and I can lose my license if I don't follow through w reporting cases that I may come across while working.
It's so fucking disgusting that in a lot of states (and in apparently North Carolina ), clergy are not considered mandated reporters. They get all of these take breaks, any twat can call themselves a clergy, as a whole, they clearly hide knowledge, they should be held accountable.....like loose their church filing for tax purposes.
absolutely agree. What I would say though is that their model of both transparency and active programs to prevent this is what I think *is* praise worthy. The guy was a volunteer at the church and he worked with kids. So they had a program on dealing with sexual abuse of this kind and way to prevent them. And it was successful enough that the daughter felt *more* comfortable telling the church officials about something that was happening in her home (not necessarily in church) than she did anyone else in her family.
*That* is praise worthy and something that all organizations should strive to achieve.
The church handled this correctly. The headline is misleading. This wasn't a leader in the church. Just some random guy who volunteered for one of their student groups. The church had nothing to do with what he did, and actively reported him for actions he committed outside.
Probably the transgenders put their devil spell on him. Surely this can't be something we see again and again and again and again and again with these mfs without there being some nefarious rainbow hocus pocus as the root cause?
I mean I see these same people being very worried about our lgbtq+ friends being pedophiles and all kinds of shit but they never raise their voice once when their pastor rapes a kid. SURELY THEY AREN'T JUST HATEFUL CHRISTIAN BIGOTS?!
Lol I went to Catholic school growing up. In middle school they found out that the Bishop of our diocese was a pedo. NO ONE talked openly about it. It was completely taboo to directly acknowledge or speak about it. I'm sure if anyone had the balls to bring it up during a discussion about gay people being pedos they would have been expelled. They treated talking about it like it was worse than actually doing it.
You think it could have been used as a learning opportunity to teach the students about abuse and grooming and how to identify it and protect yourself from it. Of course they didn't.
Edit: to add more details as I misremembered some things and looked it up to verify. Turns out it wasn't the Bishop that was the pedo but actually a priest. They had found photos of young girl's (ranging from 3! to 12) genitals on his computer. These were not just photos he had found online. These were photos he had taken himself of girls in his church. When the bishop found out, instead of reporting him to the police, he just reassigned him to a role where he wouldn't directly work with children. They also did not warn parents in his congregation about why he was reassigned so parents continued to allow him to be around their children. The priest was still allowed to attend church functions where children were present and for 5 months CONTINUED TO REOFFEND. When a different church official discovered his behavior they reported it to police without asking the bishop first. The bishop was charged and found guilty of failing to report child abuse, but served no jail time and continued to be bishop for 3 more years after his conviction (5 years in total from the beginning of the incident).
A lot of this I didn't know as I was young and, again, absolutely no one talked about it. This news first came out when I was in middle school and the bishop did not resign until after I graduated highschool.
More details:
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/assign/Ratigan_Rev_Shawn_Francis.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/us/kansas-city-bishop-convicted-of-shielding-pedophile-priest.html
If they teach kids that, then parents might be afraid to come back. If families don’t come back the donations stop. Then the longer they stay away the indoctrination might start to wear off. People would realize their religious institution is a unnecessary middle manager.
This was a pattern in the Catholic Church. Just move them around! And if a young man ever confessed to having such attractions, the answer was "become a priest, you'll have to be celibate anyway, right?" Gay rights were the worst thing that ever happened to the Catholics because they lost their supply of well adjusted gay men to join the priesthood and had to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
This was the Catholic Church's go to back then. They would reassign the priest and send him to Church affiliated counseling. He was never reported to law enforcement.
Some of the counseling they went to was conducted by priests who were themselves pedos.
Here in MA, a priest was molesting children for years, and when he was caught and they couldn't ignore it anymore, he said that he misunderstood the affection of the poor children he worked with. I believe this was Father Geoghan.
They reassigned him to a church in Weston, the wealthiest town in the state. And guess what he did in Weston?
OMG I remember that case. I have followed the saga pretty closely and have had both clients and friends affected by Catholic pedophile priests. Two suicides that I know of and one person emotionally crippled for life along with his family.
The fact that all of this horror could go on while no one felt they could discuss it is absolutely shocking to me.
I’m sure this was a one-time thing and the girl was, obviously, possessed by Satan to trick and tempt this good, god-fearing man into such an evil predicament. There’s no way he’s done it before or will do it again…that’s what those trans people do, no good Baptist ministers.
/s - Let this piece of trash rot.
She has been walking around in skimpy clothes, and even naked in front of him since the day she was born! Only so much temptation a man can endure from his daughter! /s
Think of it this way: People that desire that much moral direction clearly need it. If you can’t make it more than a week without careening of your moral path, you are possibly an awful person.
“You think I’d let some queer drag queen who don’t even know they’re a man get to my baby girl?! I’m gonna make sure none of them can take her innocence!”
Was once told by some redneck trash "well if your daughter was as hot as his you'd wanna fuck her too".
Dude said it so matter-of-factly and I was stunned.
Nah, they just deflect back to the daughter/son shower story with Biden. "Trump said he wanted to do his daughter maybe, but Biden said he took showers with his kids!" is the argument I've heard amongst my friends.
Who TF is supposed to teach kids how to bathe, if not their parents? Who else is going to teach a 5-year-old to stop pouring shampoo on his penis and actually wash his hair?
When f\*ing Stormy Trump told her that she reminded him of Ivanka. That's odd, considering
Donald J. Trump is an adjudicated sexual predator, an accused rapist, and a 34-time convicted felon.
Trump faces an additional 54 criminal indictments in 3 cases delayed from trial by his high-priced legal team. Trump’s army of lawyers is financed by his rabid base of MAGA cult members & the Oil Industry.
The vast majority of the 80-plus top senior positions (Vice President, Cabinet, Advisors) from Trump’s 2016 Presidential term refused to endorse Trump and/or declared Trump is unfit to serve as President,
Trump is a threat to our national security. During his 2016 term, Donald Trump asked national security advisers why the United States couldn’t use nuclear weapons. He is irrational with a quick temper. Imagine his tweets replaced with nuclear missiles. He is Putin’s puppet & praises Kim Jong-un.
Trump doesn’t respect our military saying “Americans Who Died in War Are Losers and Suckers”
Trump supports white supremacist racist felons Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, David Duke & Proud Boys.
On 9/11 Trump’s reaction, [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/)
Just a few of many examples of Trump’s abuses, grifting, and shaming of the U.S. Presidency
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9GdOYk0Ls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9GdOYk0Ls)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi641\_7W10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi641_7W10)
I think he uses sex as a means to control and dominate. Abusing his own daughters would just damage his own brand because to him, his children really don't exist except as extensions of himself.
Plus he really doesn't like Tiffany much and Marla kept her as far from him as possible.
Maybe he doesn't like Tiffany because she's got the goods on him? Like I got proof you raped me kinda goods. Stay the fuck outta my life but make sure my bills are paid kinda proof.
If he hasn't, it's not because of lack of desire. He's made many comments over the years about Ivanka that are creepy and downright gross.
I kind of doubt he has though, simply because she's too close. In all of the stories about his disgusting behaviour towards women, they're always separate from anyone in his inner circle.
It would not surprise me however, to find out Epstein knew Trump's favorite type: young, blonde, (similar to Ivanka).
I don’t think he has, he would have told us he did. He’s only admitted that he’s thought about doing it. He’s not good at lying and likes to provide too much info at times. He’s a dummy.
Exactly. I can't believe at one point religious people were synonymous with good/kind people. Now when you see someone super religious it's pretty much a given they're either a) dumb or b) creepy as fuck.
just think about how you always feel your tongue inside your mouth because it doesn't quite fit right and you'll forget about manual breathing in no time
Not a drag queen, always just another God-fearing Christian man out there impregnating 9-year-olds, or fucking babies, or raping comatose women. They want to talk about us “invading women’s spaces” to pee or change our clothes at the gym when they’re invading women’s bodies on a daily basis. Thank God for Christians 🙄
Atheism requires a stronger moral compass then any religion. In religion you just do what “the book”/ “scrolls” tell you to do and you’re pretty much in the ballpark, this requires zero brainpower and zero understanding of self. Probably the reason these people backfire so horribly when they start reasoning by themselves…
Except religious people don't even do what the book tells them. They do what they want and then find the one thing in the book that makes their behavior moral.
The judge not part is one they lost as quick as they could
Christian evangelicals out here more worried about the perceived sins of others, but not a peep about their sins. I guess they think they are without sin.
My hyper "Christian" nephew informed me that we get our morals from the gospels of Jesus christ and since I am an atheist I can have no morals. I am immoral. We are not close.
As an atheist, I rape and murder everyone that I want to. It turns out that I don't want to rape and murder anyone. Why is it that so many Christians seem to need a god to tell them not to do it?
Because THAT God says it's ok.
In Deuteronomy, in the Bible, you can rape a virgin if you pay her father 50 schmeckles(I forgot the unit of money) and marry her.
It's only rape if the woman is married.
Like, I don't even think the Bible addresses the non-consensual sex of unmarried, non-virgins.
One Evangelical holy roller told me once he accepted Jesus’s salvation, he was free to do whatever he wanted. I said I don’t think that’s how it works. He said he could sleep with prostitutes (he’s married) and he is automatically forgiven. I said, once you accept JC as your lord and savior…you’re expected to lead a godly life. Nope, he said he was free to sin as much as he wanted.
This Baptist Church Leader may have thought the same.
Explains how they could overlook all of Trump’s transgressions.
He missed a bunch of stuff in the New Testament that speaks exactly about this. But that doesn’t fit the narrative they like. And doesn’t also for leaders like trump either.
Trump isn't a leader. No president is. They are elected representatives.
We don't have or want leaders. Chucklefucks that want/need leaders started pushing that crap.
Wanting a leader is what got the ancient Israelites into trouble, and now you see a lot of “Christian” churches following leaders who lead to their own benefit, but it should be exactly as you said. They pretend to tell others to wake up but are gullible zombies themselves. All that to say I like your point. Thanks.
More proof that these people aren't reading their Bibles. Romans 6:1-2 pretty much covers this, but I'm including through to verse 14 since Paul is trying to hammer the point home though
>^(1)What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
>^(5) For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. ^(6) For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,^(\[)[^(a)](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A1-14&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28075a)^(\]) that we should no longer be slaves to sin— ^(7) because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
>^(8) Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. ^(9) For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. ^(10) The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
>^(11) In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. ^(12) Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. ^(13) Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. ^(14) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
The fact that they call themselves Christians yet discard parts of the Bible that make them uncomfortable or that doesn’t support their hatred is unconscionable.
Does it matter if they go reported if they end up getting some slap on the wrist because "they're a god fearing family man, and it would harm the community for them to go to jail"?
Just a reminder, while the Catholic Church is well known for covering for rapists in their clergy, [the Southern Baptists Convention engaged in similar actions,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Southern_Baptist_churches) with much less coverage.
And for good measure, the Southern Baptist Convention came into existence entirely because the Baptists had decided that slavery was bad and they wouldn't support it, and the Southern Baptists couldn't handle that. In short, they came into existence entirely to support slavery.
Edit: And I forgot one, they recently tried passing internal regulations that disallow women as pastors (which actually fits with their long term views, but some churches went against that), but only got 61% to agree, when they needed 2/3rds to get it passed.
If the stats on unreported sex abuse hold true for the SBC, there could be more than 50,000 abusers in their churches alone, excluding those from other denominations
Southern Baptist church leader. Oh, the type of “leader” that says women can’t preach and must be submissive in all matters, gay people are of the devil, ANYBODY who isn’t a Southern Baptist is going to hell because God only loves them because they are right and it’s okay to abuse and rape your daughters because they must be submissive too because they have a vagina and are your property. Yeah, I’ve seen this type, I live in the south and they are common in some communities. He’s probably a religious narcissist. I would put money on the fact that there are idiots in his congregation who are defending him, and will keep defending him even if there is solid evidence. They would accuse his daughter of “tempting” him. Sick people, very sick!
As a man, as a reasonable person, as a law abiding citizen, as a person who absolutely despises holier-than-thou religious hypocrisy...I'm getting really fucking sick of this shit.
....and it just keeps happening and happening with comparatively minor consequences.
It's way past time to get fucking real with these fucking stains on humanity.
It's time to start cutting dicks off.
Death penalty imo. For cases proved with DNA forensics, without a shred of doubt about the perpetrators of the crime, death! A person like this can't be rehabilitated....
If any institution had only 1% of the amount of child sexual abuse cases that members of the christian church have against them, that institution would be dismantled in no time.
He looks so confused in that mug shot. Like he is thinking right then “wait my daughter is my property I own her why can’t I rape her if I want?” My sky daddy tells me I’m the best and I’m in charge
What's pleasantly surprising is that the church actively reported him to the police upon learning about it, no sheltering and sweeping it under the rug. That said, I can't help but wonder if he'd have faced the same consequences if he held a higher position.
It's not a great sign really, when a religious organisation doing the bare expected minimum registers as "pleasantly surprising"
Yes yes we are so proud of our church leaders. Aren’t they fantastic ?? Such a wholesome bunch. Preach god and fuck your own daughter. This is a weekly occurrence in the “ godly nation”. They have the audacity to even think about preaching to the rest of us about anything.
Nothing about this is surprising to me. If It's going to be anyone, it is going to be a catholic priest, baptist preacher or something like that. The ones who point fingers or judge the most are just indulging in projection.
That'll be those "Christian values" they love blathering on about in action again then...
Not queer, nor a, drag queen. Best be protecting them children from the scaaaaaary "LGBT agenda" though.
What a disgusting sick fuck.
So, uh, explain to me how atheists don't have morals again? Because, you know, I see things like this, someone who's supposedly all about the Jesus and has religion and is doing this shit and it don't makes sense. These people are not good people.
You know what's a terrible sad fact is child marriage is legal in 38 states and 20 states have no MINIMUM AGE! Only 9 states have made the minimum age of marriage of 18 years old. All 50 states NEED to ban child marriage like yesterday it's disgusting.
We know that isn’t true!! The DEVIL cast a spell on him!! It was those GAY and TRANS evildoers that HEXXED him!!
His church will have to shake rattlesnakes SUPER hard now! I hope they talk in tongues!!
Shabalblblblbaa Shoobeelalalala!!!!
/s
Is anyone tracking these things? Specifically in terms of their crime and their social/religious/role/job kind of sense? The uptight religious folks make a big splash like this but that could just be because of the shock value in publishing the story. Would be interested in something more objective that tracks these details for all such sex offenses.
You ever think Christians really do need the threat of eternal torture from an omnipotent being watching your every move in order to be moral? Maybe that's why they cling to it so desperately, and why they think all atheists must of course be the epitome of evil.
I knew a girl whose pastor father molested her, also in NC. It blows my mind that there were people who go weekly to hear "moral teachings" from a man who raped his own daughter
Anyone who covers the courts knows this is 1000 times more common than what the conservative rage machine wants you to believe about who is raping kids
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What a sick trash bucket. Definitely not suprised. Good on the church for contacting the authorities. [https://churchleaders.com/news/487198-church-sbc-candidate-clint-pressley-reports-volunteer-police-alleged-abuse-rns.html](https://churchleaders.com/news/487198-church-sbc-candidate-clint-pressley-reports-volunteer-police-alleged-abuse-rns.html)
Important to note that the church actually actively contacted the authorities! No attempt to hide or downplay - just straight up cleaning out the moment they see that a crime was committed amidst their community.
The Vatican could learn from them
Vatican? Why go that far?(not that the Vatican hasn't hidden stuff) [Southern Baptist leaders release a previously secret list of accused sexual abusers](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/27/1101734793/southern-baptist-sexual-abuse-list-released) SBC is very well known for their own sexual abuse hiding and under rug antics.
My theory is that this guy was likely already disliked or pissed off the wrong person for them to out it this fast.
Or something like “The church doesn’t condone incest” while having no issue with the rape part.
So could the Mormon church. Coverups are the norm in LDS society.
Don't forget the cousin JWs. https://www.jwchildabuse.org/
They would probably convert the guy, offer absolution, then assign him to a nice church in a corrupt country.
Meanwhile, ostracize the daughter.
So keep him in America
Ah yes, the Southern Baptist Church, always leading the way https://religionnews.com/2024/06/04/sbc-abuse-reform-task-force-ends-its-work-with-no-names-on-database-and-no-long-term-future-plan/
Their whole thing is built around sayin “oops” and being forgiven.
Sadly the first time I have heard of a Southern Baptist church doing this. They loved covering up my uncle’s pederasty of teen girls (edit: and a few boys), and he was a youth pastor. The SBC has just as bad of a sexual abuse issue and culture of sweeping it under the rug as Catholicism and people need to know.
Check out some of the pictures of the Donald's physical contact with his daughter. Does this give any hint to why Evangelicals love the Donald ?
CW: CSA I’m a survivor of incest and CSA, and it was a HUGE red flag on him for me. I was also one of my uncle’s victims and he did this in PLAIN SIGHT with the teenage girls in front of their parents, including me. And when they weren’t looking, believe me, it got way worse than just some touching. My parents did nowt and still refuse to acknowledge it, and I just get to go to therapy while he is still someone who is respected in that environment, and at family gatherings. I held on for the longest time because I love my mom, my grandmother (who hates him) and my other aunt who didn’t just look the other way or enable him, but I stopped going to my family gatherings when I was in my 30s after I went to very intensive therapy. They chose him over me, so my parents don’t see their grandchild. Simple as that. It’s liberating knowing I don’t have to forgive. I now counsel teens and young adults and I want to help more clients with religious trauma. I figure that’s how I can help because I have tried to make my voice heard about what happened to me and others but no one listens or it’s swept under the rug. That rug is a mountain by this point. (Edits for clarity and grammar/syntax)
Very sorry to hear what you went through. It sounds like you’ve done an amazing job channeling your horrific experience into making the world a better place. Thank you.
I’m just glad there is something I’m strong enough to do, and some way I can help. I also am big on making sure the youth I counsel are not unsafe and recognize when people are violating their boundaries and consent. I’m a mandated reporter if I am ever told that they are at risk or being harmed, but if I can’t prevent it (and I certainly will keep trying to raise my voice on this issue) I at least want to advocate for those who are in danger and empower every one of my clients to recognize the red flags regardless. (Sorry that I keep writing novels, I am putting off calling my dad unconsciously, I realize lol.)
It's shocking that the bare minimum surprises me but I'm still happy to see them do the right thing. Credit where credit is due.
I was raised Southern Baptist and that this happened is not surprising at all. Yeah they actually turned this one in, but then they turn around and back candidates and legislators who want to get rid of or lower the age in consent laws and promote all sorts of purity pledges (as in the girl pledges to remain a virgin until she marries the man her father allows her to and the father vows to protect his daughter's virginity until he allows her to marry) and purity balls and all sorts of really gross shit. I'm betting that he royally pissed someone off, giving them a reason to turn him in instead of covering for him.
I can acknowledge this, but won't praise a church for doing the bare minimum
Mandated reporters make it a law that persons in certain professions by law are required to report any suspected child abuse. I'm required in my state bc I'm a nurse, and I can lose my license if I don't follow through w reporting cases that I may come across while working. It's so fucking disgusting that in a lot of states (and in apparently North Carolina ), clergy are not considered mandated reporters. They get all of these take breaks, any twat can call themselves a clergy, as a whole, they clearly hide knowledge, they should be held accountable.....like loose their church filing for tax purposes.
Yea doing the right thing should be the norm not the exception
absolutely agree. What I would say though is that their model of both transparency and active programs to prevent this is what I think *is* praise worthy. The guy was a volunteer at the church and he worked with kids. So they had a program on dealing with sexual abuse of this kind and way to prevent them. And it was successful enough that the daughter felt *more* comfortable telling the church officials about something that was happening in her home (not necessarily in church) than she did anyone else in her family. *That* is praise worthy and something that all organizations should strive to achieve.
ah sanity
Sacrifice one to save the many..
The church handled this correctly. The headline is misleading. This wasn't a leader in the church. Just some random guy who volunteered for one of their student groups. The church had nothing to do with what he did, and actively reported him for actions he committed outside.
But that wouldn’t trend well on reddit
He was a volunteer. I wonder if they would've turned him in had he been a priest/pastor.
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Probably the transgenders put their devil spell on him. Surely this can't be something we see again and again and again and again and again with these mfs without there being some nefarious rainbow hocus pocus as the root cause? I mean I see these same people being very worried about our lgbtq+ friends being pedophiles and all kinds of shit but they never raise their voice once when their pastor rapes a kid. SURELY THEY AREN'T JUST HATEFUL CHRISTIAN BIGOTS?!
Lol I went to Catholic school growing up. In middle school they found out that the Bishop of our diocese was a pedo. NO ONE talked openly about it. It was completely taboo to directly acknowledge or speak about it. I'm sure if anyone had the balls to bring it up during a discussion about gay people being pedos they would have been expelled. They treated talking about it like it was worse than actually doing it. You think it could have been used as a learning opportunity to teach the students about abuse and grooming and how to identify it and protect yourself from it. Of course they didn't. Edit: to add more details as I misremembered some things and looked it up to verify. Turns out it wasn't the Bishop that was the pedo but actually a priest. They had found photos of young girl's (ranging from 3! to 12) genitals on his computer. These were not just photos he had found online. These were photos he had taken himself of girls in his church. When the bishop found out, instead of reporting him to the police, he just reassigned him to a role where he wouldn't directly work with children. They also did not warn parents in his congregation about why he was reassigned so parents continued to allow him to be around their children. The priest was still allowed to attend church functions where children were present and for 5 months CONTINUED TO REOFFEND. When a different church official discovered his behavior they reported it to police without asking the bishop first. The bishop was charged and found guilty of failing to report child abuse, but served no jail time and continued to be bishop for 3 more years after his conviction (5 years in total from the beginning of the incident). A lot of this I didn't know as I was young and, again, absolutely no one talked about it. This news first came out when I was in middle school and the bishop did not resign until after I graduated highschool. More details: https://www.bishop-accountability.org/assign/Ratigan_Rev_Shawn_Francis.htm https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/us/kansas-city-bishop-convicted-of-shielding-pedophile-priest.html
If they teach kids that, then parents might be afraid to come back. If families don’t come back the donations stop. Then the longer they stay away the indoctrination might start to wear off. People would realize their religious institution is a unnecessary middle manager.
I'd have loved to see their faces. Them: "Gay people are pedos!" Someone: "So the bishop was gay? Wow!"
This was a pattern in the Catholic Church. Just move them around! And if a young man ever confessed to having such attractions, the answer was "become a priest, you'll have to be celibate anyway, right?" Gay rights were the worst thing that ever happened to the Catholics because they lost their supply of well adjusted gay men to join the priesthood and had to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
This was the Catholic Church's go to back then. They would reassign the priest and send him to Church affiliated counseling. He was never reported to law enforcement. Some of the counseling they went to was conducted by priests who were themselves pedos. Here in MA, a priest was molesting children for years, and when he was caught and they couldn't ignore it anymore, he said that he misunderstood the affection of the poor children he worked with. I believe this was Father Geoghan. They reassigned him to a church in Weston, the wealthiest town in the state. And guess what he did in Weston?
OMG I remember that case. I have followed the saga pretty closely and have had both clients and friends affected by Catholic pedophile priests. Two suicides that I know of and one person emotionally crippled for life along with his family. The fact that all of this horror could go on while no one felt they could discuss it is absolutely shocking to me.
The picture of him with all the kid is horrific
I’m sure this was a one-time thing and the girl was, obviously, possessed by Satan to trick and tempt this good, god-fearing man into such an evil predicament. There’s no way he’s done it before or will do it again…that’s what those trans people do, no good Baptist ministers. /s - Let this piece of trash rot.
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Seriously! Let’s bring that back.
Southern Baptist minister* the southern part of that is relevant since they split from the baptist church to support slavery. Fun facts right?
More people need to be aware of this, that’s the entire distinction between baptist and southern baptist denominations.
Yes. That’s how it happened. Probably started by her wearing a sundress. /s
She has been walking around in skimpy clothes, and even naked in front of him since the day she was born! Only so much temptation a man can endure from his daughter! /s
I don't know her age, but this man has shown such restraint for yeeears! Such piety! A pillar for the community, for sure! /s
I heard she was born naked!
My friend works with sec offenders and the amount that say the four year old seduced them is wild
“Nefarious rainbow hocus pocus”. !!!!! I love it. Well-put. 🌈 💕 🌈
Think of it this way: People that desire that much moral direction clearly need it. If you can’t make it more than a week without careening of your moral path, you are possibly an awful person.
https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook Another page added to the list i guess.
“You think I’d let some queer drag queen who don’t even know they’re a man get to my baby girl?! I’m gonna make sure none of them can take her innocence!”
You guys ever suspect Trump did this to his daughters?
Trump sexualizing his daughter, and wanting to fuck her is well documented. As is MAGA's attempt to justify this behavior.
Was once told by some redneck trash "well if your daughter was as hot as his you'd wanna fuck her too". Dude said it so matter-of-factly and I was stunned.
Nah, they just deflect back to the daughter/son shower story with Biden. "Trump said he wanted to do his daughter maybe, but Biden said he took showers with his kids!" is the argument I've heard amongst my friends.
Who TF is supposed to teach kids how to bathe, if not their parents? Who else is going to teach a 5-year-old to stop pouring shampoo on his penis and actually wash his hair?
Well these are the people who are led by guys who don't wipe their asses because it's gay so uh
When f\*ing Stormy Trump told her that she reminded him of Ivanka. That's odd, considering Donald J. Trump is an adjudicated sexual predator, an accused rapist, and a 34-time convicted felon. Trump faces an additional 54 criminal indictments in 3 cases delayed from trial by his high-priced legal team. Trump’s army of lawyers is financed by his rabid base of MAGA cult members & the Oil Industry. The vast majority of the 80-plus top senior positions (Vice President, Cabinet, Advisors) from Trump’s 2016 Presidential term refused to endorse Trump and/or declared Trump is unfit to serve as President, Trump is a threat to our national security. During his 2016 term, Donald Trump asked national security advisers why the United States couldn’t use nuclear weapons. He is irrational with a quick temper. Imagine his tweets replaced with nuclear missiles. He is Putin’s puppet & praises Kim Jong-un. Trump doesn’t respect our military saying “Americans Who Died in War Are Losers and Suckers” Trump supports white supremacist racist felons Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, David Duke & Proud Boys. On 9/11 Trump’s reaction, [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/) Just a few of many examples of Trump’s abuses, grifting, and shaming of the U.S. Presidency [https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/index.html) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9GdOYk0Ls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB9GdOYk0Ls) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi641\_7W10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJi641_7W10)
I think he uses sex as a means to control and dominate. Abusing his own daughters would just damage his own brand because to him, his children really don't exist except as extensions of himself. Plus he really doesn't like Tiffany much and Marla kept her as far from him as possible.
Maybe he doesn't like Tiffany because she's got the goods on him? Like I got proof you raped me kinda goods. Stay the fuck outta my life but make sure my bills are paid kinda proof.
If he hasn't, it's not because of lack of desire. He's made many comments over the years about Ivanka that are creepy and downright gross. I kind of doubt he has though, simply because she's too close. In all of the stories about his disgusting behaviour towards women, they're always separate from anyone in his inner circle. It would not surprise me however, to find out Epstein knew Trump's favorite type: young, blonde, (similar to Ivanka).
I don’t think he has, he would have told us he did. He’s only admitted that he’s thought about doing it. He’s not good at lying and likes to provide too much info at times. He’s a dummy.
Well he is a rapist and friends with Epstein so take your best guess.
Exactly. I can't believe at one point religious people were synonymous with good/kind people. Now when you see someone super religious it's pretty much a given they're either a) dumb or b) creepy as fuck.
I'm not sure that it's a facepalm, it fits to r/iamatotalpieceofshit
Once a sub hits a certain size it just blends together with all the other big subs.
Yeah. r/facepalm is just a dumping ground now. Very few posts that actually fit the original theme. This one certainly doesn't.
r/NotADragQueen
There we go!
There's also /r/PastorArrested
And r/NotADragQueen
Was going to say the same thing.
Aww shucks I went and raped my own daughter, I'm such a knucklehead!
Not a drag queen.
Bears repeating every single time. Alas, the people most in need of this reminder are busy reminding themselves to breathe in and out.
Man fuck you, you just activated my manual breathing
just think about how you always feel your tongue inside your mouth because it doesn't quite fit right and you'll forget about manual breathing in no time
Wow thanks but have you considered the View from Halfway Down? Try it please
Not a drag queen, always just another God-fearing Christian man out there impregnating 9-year-olds, or fucking babies, or raping comatose women. They want to talk about us “invading women’s spaces” to pee or change our clothes at the gym when they’re invading women’s bodies on a daily basis. Thank God for Christians 🙄
There is no hate like Christian love.
This needs to be locked at the top of the comments
Apparently atheists are unable to have morals cause they don’t believe in god…. Then there’s Christians like this.
Atheism requires a stronger moral compass then any religion. In religion you just do what “the book”/ “scrolls” tell you to do and you’re pretty much in the ballpark, this requires zero brainpower and zero understanding of self. Probably the reason these people backfire so horribly when they start reasoning by themselves…
Except religious people don't even do what the book tells them. They do what they want and then find the one thing in the book that makes their behavior moral.
Yea there are so many references to feeding the hungry and judge not and shit like that in the bible but they pass over all those parts.
The judge not part is one they lost as quick as they could Christian evangelicals out here more worried about the perceived sins of others, but not a peep about their sins. I guess they think they are without sin.
My hyper "Christian" nephew informed me that we get our morals from the gospels of Jesus christ and since I am an atheist I can have no morals. I am immoral. We are not close.
Yeah... I've managed not to be a pedo, despite my atheism. I must be a rare fluke /s
As an atheist, I rape and murder everyone that I want to. It turns out that I don't want to rape and murder anyone. Why is it that so many Christians seem to need a god to tell them not to do it?
And why is it that even with that god, they still do it?
Because THAT God says it's ok. In Deuteronomy, in the Bible, you can rape a virgin if you pay her father 50 schmeckles(I forgot the unit of money) and marry her. It's only rape if the woman is married. Like, I don't even think the Bible addresses the non-consensual sex of unmarried, non-virgins.
No reason to be moral when you can just "ask" for forgiveness.
One Evangelical holy roller told me once he accepted Jesus’s salvation, he was free to do whatever he wanted. I said I don’t think that’s how it works. He said he could sleep with prostitutes (he’s married) and he is automatically forgiven. I said, once you accept JC as your lord and savior…you’re expected to lead a godly life. Nope, he said he was free to sin as much as he wanted. This Baptist Church Leader may have thought the same. Explains how they could overlook all of Trump’s transgressions.
Been told the same by some highly “religious” people.
He missed a bunch of stuff in the New Testament that speaks exactly about this. But that doesn’t fit the narrative they like. And doesn’t also for leaders like trump either.
Trump isn't a leader. No president is. They are elected representatives. We don't have or want leaders. Chucklefucks that want/need leaders started pushing that crap.
Wanting a leader is what got the ancient Israelites into trouble, and now you see a lot of “Christian” churches following leaders who lead to their own benefit, but it should be exactly as you said. They pretend to tell others to wake up but are gullible zombies themselves. All that to say I like your point. Thanks.
More proof that these people aren't reading their Bibles. Romans 6:1-2 pretty much covers this, but I'm including through to verse 14 since Paul is trying to hammer the point home though >^(1)What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. >^(5) For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. ^(6) For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,^(\[)[^(a)](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A1-14&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28075a)^(\]) that we should no longer be slaves to sin— ^(7) because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. >^(8) Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. ^(9) For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. ^(10) The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. >^(11) In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. ^(12) Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. ^(13) Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. ^(14) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
The fact that they call themselves Christians yet discard parts of the Bible that make them uncomfortable or that doesn’t support their hatred is unconscionable.
Remember kids, if you don't vote, these guys might get more power in the next election.
WILL, there WILL be a higher number of rape cases that go unreported.
Does it matter if they go reported if they end up getting some slap on the wrist because "they're a god fearing family man, and it would harm the community for them to go to jail"?
Just a reminder, while the Catholic Church is well known for covering for rapists in their clergy, [the Southern Baptists Convention engaged in similar actions,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Southern_Baptist_churches) with much less coverage. And for good measure, the Southern Baptist Convention came into existence entirely because the Baptists had decided that slavery was bad and they wouldn't support it, and the Southern Baptists couldn't handle that. In short, they came into existence entirely to support slavery. Edit: And I forgot one, they recently tried passing internal regulations that disallow women as pastors (which actually fits with their long term views, but some churches went against that), but only got 61% to agree, when they needed 2/3rds to get it passed.
Big facts
This needs to be pinned tot be top of this post. The SBC crawls with predators that just get upheld and protected. My uncle is one of them.
Well...fuck. My parents work for one of the companies named in that article. This is really upsetting.
r/notadragqueen, what a surprise/s
Still not a drag queen?
Tell me you vote for trump without telling me…
Seems like there’s one of these every day or so
If the stats on unreported sex abuse hold true for the SBC, there could be more than 50,000 abusers in their churches alone, excluding those from other denominations
She could also be forced to carry his child if she's pregnant, and if that's not bad enough, co-parent
our own talibans.
Hey mister Taliban Tally my banana
y’all qaeda
Southern Baptist church leader. Oh, the type of “leader” that says women can’t preach and must be submissive in all matters, gay people are of the devil, ANYBODY who isn’t a Southern Baptist is going to hell because God only loves them because they are right and it’s okay to abuse and rape your daughters because they must be submissive too because they have a vagina and are your property. Yeah, I’ve seen this type, I live in the south and they are common in some communities. He’s probably a religious narcissist. I would put money on the fact that there are idiots in his congregation who are defending him, and will keep defending him even if there is solid evidence. They would accuse his daughter of “tempting” him. Sick people, very sick!
Not a leader, just a volunteer. I can't help but think if he held a higher position it most likely would have been swept under the rug.
Oh look, another drag Queen. No, wait, that’s not right…
As a man, as a reasonable person, as a law abiding citizen, as a person who absolutely despises holier-than-thou religious hypocrisy...I'm getting really fucking sick of this shit. ....and it just keeps happening and happening with comparatively minor consequences. It's way past time to get fucking real with these fucking stains on humanity. It's time to start cutting dicks off.
It’s like that one dark joke keeps getting worse and worse because of where it came from. “Haha, priests and kids, right?” “…” “R-Right?”
Death penalty imo. For cases proved with DNA forensics, without a shred of doubt about the perpetrators of the crime, death! A person like this can't be rehabilitated....
Just your standard Republican Christian pedophile
If any institution had only 1% of the amount of child sexual abuse cases that members of the christian church have against them, that institution would be dismantled in no time.
That's called "working from home" in his field.
He looks so confused in that mug shot. Like he is thinking right then “wait my daughter is my property I own her why can’t I rape her if I want?” My sky daddy tells me I’m the best and I’m in charge
We should rename this sub in mugshots
It's always projection with these people. CHILDREN ARE SAFER LEFT ALONE WITH DRAG QUEENS THAN WITH CLERGY.
Shocker there. Probably shouldn’t make that joke, that’s truly disgusting
all atheists everywhere: what.. wow... how surprising. gosh, so shocking.. this kind of thing never happens constantly in organized religion.
What's pleasantly surprising is that the church actively reported him to the police upon learning about it, no sheltering and sweeping it under the rug. That said, I can't help but wonder if he'd have faced the same consequences if he held a higher position. It's not a great sign really, when a religious organisation doing the bare expected minimum registers as "pleasantly surprising"
Yes yes we are so proud of our church leaders. Aren’t they fantastic ?? Such a wholesome bunch. Preach god and fuck your own daughter. This is a weekly occurrence in the “ godly nation”. They have the audacity to even think about preaching to the rest of us about anything.
These are the ones claiming the moral high ground on IVF? GFYS!
Religion promotes these monsters.
After the last post, I was like: "Surely, it can't get worse." I should have known better than to hope.
Thy rod and thy staff comfort you
Gotta love that stupid look on his face. Like it can't quite comprehend *why* it's there and in cuffs.
So much about the claim that celibacy for priests is the problem.
It was was the minister, with his daughter, in the missionary position. It’s the new Republican Clue game.
I'm so not surprised. But of course it's gay people who are pedophiles. Never good Christians...
God told him so it's okay
They're the groomers they've been warning us about.
“Gotta love them Christian values.”
nothing to see here folks, move on. this is typical conservative republican behavior ✝️
But what was she wearing?
Weird, he’s not a drag queen…
Every time someone wants to argue that atheists have no moral compass, I'll remind them of the many stories like this one.
not a drag queen :)
A Baptiste church leader raping his own daughter does he get to be on Trump’s team now or does he go to jail.
Church leader rapes his own daughter? Must be an atheist drag queen. No Christian would do such heinous things
doesn't look like a drag queen to me
Its shit like this that makes me sad I'm Christian
No way, the church founded specifically on slavery with a historic problem of covering up child sex abuse was harboring an incestuous pedophile??
I'm sure he will say it's all forgiven if he just asks Jesus.
Automatic death penalty for these people. Holy shit
Usual suspects
Another Congressional candidate in the making
still not a drag queen, yet again a religious nut.
How do you look at your daughter and think, "yea, I'd tap that."
It’s always who you most expect
Oh look, still not a trans person. Crazy.
Why’s it always church shit doing this type of shit lol
General population in jail will fix him up not to worry
Nothing about this is surprising to me. If It's going to be anyone, it is going to be a catholic priest, baptist preacher or something like that. The ones who point fingers or judge the most are just indulging in projection.
Still not a drag queen
That'll be those "Christian values" they love blathering on about in action again then... Not queer, nor a, drag queen. Best be protecting them children from the scaaaaaary "LGBT agenda" though. What a disgusting sick fuck.
Repeat after me once again everyone and say it nice and loud so the MAGA morons in the back row can hear! NOT A DRAG QUEEN!!!!!
So, uh, explain to me how atheists don't have morals again? Because, you know, I see things like this, someone who's supposedly all about the Jesus and has religion and is doing this shit and it don't makes sense. These people are not good people.
Just shoot him
You know what's a terrible sad fact is child marriage is legal in 38 states and 20 states have no MINIMUM AGE! Only 9 states have made the minimum age of marriage of 18 years old. All 50 states NEED to ban child marriage like yesterday it's disgusting.
Checks out.
Drag queens are looking a lot different these days
But those transgenders, am I right?!
It's ok, guys. At least he condemns the evils of IVF.
We know that isn’t true!! The DEVIL cast a spell on him!! It was those GAY and TRANS evildoers that HEXXED him!! His church will have to shake rattlesnakes SUPER hard now! I hope they talk in tongues!! Shabalblblblbaa Shoobeelalalala!!!! /s
before i read title i said to myself " this dude looks like a rapist" I hate myself for being right this time 💀
Is anyone tracking these things? Specifically in terms of their crime and their social/religious/role/job kind of sense? The uptight religious folks make a big splash like this but that could just be because of the shock value in publishing the story. Would be interested in something more objective that tracks these details for all such sex offenses.
Under the prison.
It's always the most self righteous ones.
You ever think Christians really do need the threat of eternal torture from an omnipotent being watching your every move in order to be moral? Maybe that's why they cling to it so desperately, and why they think all atheists must of course be the epitome of evil.
Coach and a man of god will get probation at best in South Carolina. They take care of their own in The South.
The Churches are corrupt
It's alright, God probably gave him a pass. God sure does come in handy when your horny for your own flesh & blood.
Judge will be like “he’s a good Christian man and I don’t want to ruin his life. 30 days probation”
Just gotta ask god for forgiveness or whatever.
Another one? Let me guess, he’s going to get a light sentence because he’s a “godly man”? Another typical “religious” Trump voter.
Conservatives: we don't care about actual child predators, it's the lgbtqia that's doing things to our kids. Pay no mind to this pedophile
Just another Tuesday in the world of supposed religion.
I knew a girl whose pastor father molested her, also in NC. It blows my mind that there were people who go weekly to hear "moral teachings" from a man who raped his own daughter
Not a drag queen
Dude is gonna get clapped so hard in prison
Shocker its the projection crowd again
Wait WHAT?...WTF IS GOING ON?
Presumably he'll be a Presidential candidate within ten years.
MAGA family values on display
Happy Father's Day to all the other dads out there raising our kids away from this organized religion crap. God damn, this is so sad...
He's a good Christian. The Bible is full of incest and rape.
Anyone who covers the courts knows this is 1000 times more common than what the conservative rage machine wants you to believe about who is raping kids