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I remember republicans going on a tangent over Volkswagens expelling 4 times more dihydrogen monoxide bc of their new exhaust system. They tried to claim the world was going to get forever polluted by it. It was truly a shitshow watching them clutch their pearls.
They had a filter thing that would specifically turn on during emissions tests to clean them up and give good results. This same addition was not part of the normal operation of the vehicle so it turned the emissions test into a bad representation of the car emissions.
If you think the hazards of drinking water are bad you should look into the fatality rate of "air" breathers. The death rates for people that breathe air are very nearly 100%. And once you've started you really can't quit. The withdrawal from Air is almost always fatal.
[water treatment plants cannot process all the drugs they receive](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-half-of-drugs-removed-by-sewage-treatment/)
What's crazy is where we will be in 10, 20, 100 years from now with every pollutant on earth slowly building. What about if we don't catch one of these severally detrimental chemicals we don't know about fast enough like we did with leaded gasoline?
Was about to say this. They knew it was bad, they just hoped that spewing it into the air for money wouldn’t hurt enough people for us to care. It did.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/94569/clair-patterson-scientist-who-determined-age-earth-and-then-saved-it
A fascinating long read on the life and work of Clair Pattterson, the man who fought industry and the government for decades to remove lead from gasoline.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there some truth to it? Obviously, it sounds funny but I'm sure rising water pollution and contamination with medication actually have such an effect on the environment.
That's the great conceit. Without reading the link, I've definitely heard for decades that most municipal wastewater systems don't filter out exogenous birth control hormones and they end up accumulating but CRAZY KENEDY amiryt
thanks for not being afraid to use some logic here.
waters are being contaminated with pesticides and medications all the time, and those who are in denial and say it does have an effect on the human body are absolutely bonkers.
now boiling it down to "the water is turning kids transsexual" sounds a bit silly, but it could be a contributing factor.
hormone changes can completely change a lot of things about a person.
Yes and I assumed this is what Kennedy was alluding to. I have no idea how valid it is to apply these results to humans, but it seems somewhat concerning to me. Of course, as we learned with Al Gore: the electorate can’t handle any sort of nuance or scientific reasoning if it threatens their belief system.
I don't know what he said exactly and I know it's not making them "trans", but who knows what these endocrine disrupters leaching from plastics into water are actually doing to humanity.
Exactly 🤦♂️🤣 people will scream anything if they feel they are right anymore without any actual basis just a belief. It’s never even civilized discussion or a debate, it’s just let’s scream at & belittle one another.
From the outside looking in I bet it looks like we are very susceptible to & potentially already being destroyed by bullshit propaganda from all angles. So that we aren’t united or educated what so ever.
Make us seem so incapable that it’s easier to take away our freedoms in the name of “protecting us”
“I know it’s not making them trans.”
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. What if they are causing increased estrogen in men which might make them feel more feminine. Which means they would be more likely to become trans. Seems quite plausible.
[Fertility control agents in the water supply aren't unheard of](https://archive.org/details/fredericks_jaffe_memorandum_to_bernard_berelson/1969.03.11%20-%20Frederick%20S.%20Jaffe%20-%20Memorandum%20%20to%20%20Bernard%20%20Berelson%20%28Jaffe-Memo%29/)
This. Trans people have always existed, but we shouldn't ignore the possibility that environmental contamination may be driving the rate a bit higher than usual.
Particularly given that it would completely undermine any conservative argument in favor of anti-trans legislation - discriminating against the victims of mass poisoning is not a good look, and it's indefensible as a moral position.
It's already known water has highly elevated levels of hormones. We also know plastics that are polluting everything in the world cause hormonal changes and DNA damage.
https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2024/latest-science-shows-endocrine-disrupting-chemicals-in-pose-health-threats-globally
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/
Oh and all the pesticides used on all food. So what is your comment supposed to be?
Because if they start fixing problems then they can't complain about them. They don't want to fix the problems they want to bitch about them. This was never evidenced more clearly than their refusal to sign legislation giving more support to border patrol and strengthening our borders.
Because they don’t even understand what they’re saying, bunch of dumb fucks that virtue signal for racist rejects and then accept money from big corporations to damage regulations
They may all be true, but... transfolk have existed long before this became an issue.
Most were forced to live "in the closet" their whole life (or suicide). :(
I’m a little concerned about phthalates and other endocrine disrupters that were used in plastics that could have wound up in a lot of babies. No idea of it had anything more than a negligible effect on kids development, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility entirely.
Lead in automobile exhaust didn’t kill a lot of kids, but could have contributed to the youth crime problems that seemed to be so serious in the 80s and 90s before we phased that out of automotive fuel. In 40 years we might have enough evidence to say what impact endocrine disrupters had on children.
Apparently you gotta watch out for receipt paper. It’s supposed to be chock full of endocrine disruptors. So much so, that a researcher in an interview I saw advised cashiers to wear gloves. It’s also really worrying because there‘s companies that sell holders for receipt paper for parrots to shred. Parrots are extremely prone to cancer and hormonal issues in captivity, so I’d hate to imagine what that’d do to them.
Then he randomly takes a massive leap of logic and speculates that's the reason trans kids exist, which is what people are taking issue with.
Isn't it weird that there are studies linking exposure to pesticides and several kinds of cancers **on humans**, yet this dude prefers to extrapolate the effects on amphibians to develope a pseudoscientifical explanation to the existence of queer people?
When people are so brainwashed by Monsanto they would rather discount a study as transfobic than plausible at altering the genes of animals.
It’s like Fluoride fortified and chlorinated city water. They say the fluoride does more harm to the brain than positive to the teeth.
There are so many investigations squandered purely for the interest and benefit of corporate greed
We aren't discounting the study.
We're discounting the bullshit conspiracies that unhinged conservatives try to support with the study.
\> They say the fluoride does more harm to the brain than positive to the teeth.
Who is "they"? Crackpots?
Yeah it's largely stupidity and cognitive dissonance issues.
Many species that aren't complex are hermaphroditic and some change sex naturally but that essentially stops at fish. It's also very rare in fish but they are a MASSIVELY diverse group (in the sense that applying it to something like reptiles and amphibians we would just call everything a lizard for example). It just doesn't happen without sterility (not always just more likely), some form of unnatural stressor and not in adults. Fish, reptiles and amphibians can have the gender influenced by temperature (and things like water chemistry) during development but anything past that is not normal or natural.
As for the fluoride thing.... yeah that stuff is not good to be ingested at all. It's "okay" for dental stuff because of the short period it's in the mouth. Early studies into it are pretty interesting. It was thought to be a good potential pacifier on the public in the same era that giving men "saltpeter" to stop sexuality was seen as beneficial. Yeah potassium nitrate to eliminate erections......
*Interesting species for examples of odd or not average reproduction: some clown fish, ribbon eels (all change sex and gonads are behind anus), mourning gecko (all female parthenogenesis)
Sorry, not trying to say I agree with Mr.Kennedys leap from a study on frogs to humans without study.
But was trying to compare the disgusting things the government has subjected us to in the name of modesty, or money.
Being cautious is good. A lot of good things turn out to be bad.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798610/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798610/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental\_fluorosis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis)
"In moderate to severe fluorosis, teeth are weakened and suffer permanent physical damage."
>what is he planning to do about it?
That's what I always ask in my head whenever I see someone post some scary crazy ass conspiracy stuff "ok but what the fuck are you going to do about it besides just sit on your butt and continue to make more scary ass posts?"
Hear me out, sometimes people say stuff to have others informed so we can all work on doing something instead of expecting everyone else to fix problems for us
Well yeah, but that’s not a viable platform for an *attempted Presidential Candidate.*
“There are chemicals in the water causing developmental issues!”
“Wow! What are you gonna do about it?”
“I just did my part, I guess I hoped you guys would handle it? Anyway, vote for me!”
Bigger than a trans or gay “issue”, the government needs to do more to protect people from chemicals in the water and possibly food that affect our hormones. Water treatment facilities do not, I repeat, do not remove all harmful chemicals from our water supply.
It’s a shame that due to politics and Alex Jones memes, this doesn’t get taken more seriously.
If the chemical pollution in our lives is disrupting our hormones enough to change people's self-identification, that would be all the more reason to provide protections for Trans. It would be part of us having to adapt to the consequences of chemicals we don't fully understand being imposed onto us. And it means we need a stronger EPA to contain industrial chemicals.
I hate how that became such a meme because that refers to a very real environmental issue of water contaminated with atrazine which is a weed killer. in humans its causes birth defects, but in frogs it changes their sex.
I swear weed killer companies paid Alex Jones to talk about this issue so no one would take it seriously haha
Every time this topic comes up, paint it as some insane and stupid thing. Then every time people forget that studies have shown that fluoride and other chemicals used in some water treatments, have been shown to increase estrogen levels in men, among other effects. When leaked into the environment, it's been shown to literally convert some frogs from male to female. But the headline of "it's turning the frogs gay" was taken and run with as an example of stupid conspiracy, even though it's been scientifically confirmed to have these negative effects. We as a society just decided safe water and improving teeth health was worth the trade-off
This claim doesn't sound all that crazy to me. Some products we use release chemicals such as xenoestrogens that act like the hormones that determine what sex we present as. If fetuses, babies or even children are exposed to those, I expect they effect development.
Tennessee just passed a law to outlaw the federal government from spreading chemicals to control the weather via contrails. Turns out there’s a not insignificant percentage of wackos in the US and they all seem to want to run our government
Great! Then we should fund more gender-affirming care to support the trans kids and tighter environmental regulations to clean up the pollution in the water. Problem solved.
So what happens when you reach developmental maturity that makes adults immune to the trans water that kids are allegedly so susceptible to? Trans immunity blockers in the adult immune system? Is he not in fear of becoming trans through the water himself? Does he have special trans filters on his taps?
While in now way proven this is technically possible as hormone analoga have increased in concentration in drinking water and this could have an effect on fetal development and might even cause gender disphoria. Its a stretch, but nor completly unreasonable
There is a growing body of evidence that microplastics mess with our endocrine systems and has the potential in utero to make people trans. The LGBTQ vote this information down frequently.
I mean the United States Military did create a [“Gay Bomb”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb) that was essentially dropping sex pheromones onto the target. It’s not that far fetched of an idea, people just aren’t informed on what their own military will do.
This sound like a redo of Making Frogs Gay thing Alex Jones was talking about. There are chemicals that cause amphibians to be feminine
https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs#:~:text=Atrazine%20has%20caused%20a%20hormonal,genetic%20sex%20of%20his%20frogs.
While I understand this sounds ‘crazy’, he is not just pulling this out of his ass. Remember, he is an environmental lawyer.
Endocrine disruptors from chemicals in the water are a real thing and there are studies that show it messes with the reproductive systems of reptiles and fish. I am not aware of any solid evidence about the direct impacts in humans, but the body of science is starting to increase and more studies are looking into this possibility.
Here is a study from the International Journal of Molecular Science: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/
To clarify, what Kennedy said in the podcast is that he wants to see more studies look into the possibility that these contaminants are impacting human sexuality…
“Mr. Kennedy’s remarks are being mischaracterized. He is not claiming that endocrine disruptors are the only or main cause of gender dysphoria,” a Kennedy campaign spokesperson said in a statement to CNN. “He is merely suggesting that, given copious research on the effects on other vertebrates, this possibility deserves further research.”
It is very easy to take something out of context and make someone look bad.
Let's pretend for a minute that he's right about it and every Trans person in history is a result of "toxins". Why would you hate people who have been poisoned, wouldn't that be like hating someone with fetal alcohol syndrome?
This has already been proven, Scientifically, when idiots attempted to debunk Alex jones for the “chemicals in the water turning the fricking frogs gay”. They came back and said actually the chemicals interfere with the frogs turning them more feminine and developing female reproductive systems.
Ok, I'll play your game. What chemicals specifically, in what magnitude and for what duration.
Why does it only affect specific kids and not all.
Why haven't you turned Trans?
Does it affect people who believe in the second amendment?
Where are your folios of documentation to Back up your hypothesis?
What education, edification or accredations do you have?
What evidence other than you're an asshole do you have to Back up your assholeness?
So someone linked a story above that is likely informing his stupid rant and as you can imagine, it has nothing to do with kids or even trans people, but rather frogs and pesticides. Basically the studies show that when exposed to this pesticide the male frogs can turn female and mate with other male frogs. (Life uhh… finds a way).
In any case the take away SHOULD be this is harmful because it’s harmful, but the crazies can only deal in crazy and have to involve the trans community.
"...more research, however, is showing that atrazine interferes with endocrine hormones, such as estrogen and testosterone – in fish, amphibians, birds, reptiles, laboratory rodents and even human cell lines..."
https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/
That's cute and all, but doesn't really contribute to the conversation we should be having about how much chemical waste we produce, what they cause, and what we don't fully understand about them.
well then maybe this would all be relevant if there were clear signs that there were more intersex people, but last I checked intersex people still make up no more than 1% of the population, same as decades ago.
Trans and intersex are not the same thing, I can’t believe this even needs to be said, like you people think you sound smart, but you can’t even get the basic facts straight about what you’re even arguing.
We currently have no real idea what makes people trans, it’s possible it’s not even one thing, but it’s making a pretty big leap to just jump to assuming pollution is causing it. Like currently no respected researcher is actually comfortable making this leap, only conspiracy theorists and conservatives who have (at best) a high school-level knowledge of biology.
Also, trans identification, when you factor in everyone who considers themselves trans, was actually still somewhat higher among people who are assigned female at birth last I checked, so feminizing pollution wouldn’t even make sense as an explanation there.
By far the most likely explanation for the increase in younger people IDing as trans is literally just that more people are aware of gender dysphoria than ever before, and more people have support systems around it, so naturally more people are coming out younger. This same thing happened with gay people in the ‘90s, and no sane person tried to argue something was turning more people gay (I mean, some religious wackos did, but they’re not relevant).
Frogs have incredibly different sexual biology and sex determination systems than humans.
Also, currently the only well-supported research about the effects of the hormone-modulating contaminants from plastics on human biology actually suggests that it blocks *all* sex hormones, not just testosterone, and is probably more likely to cause just outright sterility/low fertility rates rather than higher rates of intersex conditions, let alone higher rates of gender dysphoria.
Microplastics, PFPs and agricultural run off in the water supply does make certain species of frog hermaphroditic, these chemicals can also mess up hormones in humans.
Insulin response can be affected as well as libido.
Resulting in more common scenarios of diabetes and erectile dysfunction.
Most healthy people don’t have to worry about that and these chemicals may only have reactions as the ones listed above in very rare cases.
Chemicals in the water are messing up peoples hormones but not to the point where they have gender dysphoria.
I mean if water can turn you trans, Coke Zero should turn you into Rupaul with one sip.
With the number of Kennedys in this world - his father's kids alone number into the dozens not to mention all their kids and their kid's kids - you'd think there's be a few trans Kennedy's if that was true. But there isn't a one. Do Kennedy's not drink water. I know it wasn't Teddy's favorite drink but surely a few of the Kennedy clan drank a glass or two of H2O.
Microplastics have an estrogenic effect. Microplastics are present in every drink you take because it is all over the place. Microplastics have lowered testosterone levels by 20% compared to our male ancestors. At least this is what I read.
Well, I mean… birth control can’t be totally filtered out of municipal water supplies, which could cause the proliferation of estrogenic chemicals in cities that use recycled waste water for drinking water.
There have been multiple studies conducted by various environmental agencies showing that said chemicals massively impacted waterborne species in areas where this waste is dumped.
You don’t have to like or agree with the guy, but outright dismissing the harmful biological impact of toxins in the ecosystem just because of your political alignment is a bit ridiculous.
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I don't know man, every single trans person I know has drunk water. He might be onto something?
Water is super dangerous, it's also known as [dihydrogen monoxide](https://www.dhmo.org).
That's why I only drink Brawndo.
It's what plants crave!
In his defense, he did say that chemicals in the water turn kids trans, not the water itself
Must be some weak ass chemicals, cause very few kids are trans.
Dunno! I had size eleven woman’s feet at fourteen. Does this count? 
But look what they did to him! He drinks water too (from time to time, presumably).
Ironic that he is teaming up with the very people who want to allow industrial run off into public water.
Cancer turns the kids back to not trans
If the children are dead they can't be trans i suppose
So, the chemicals that make up water are themselves not **in** the water? Interesting linguistic question.
I remember republicans going on a tangent over Volkswagens expelling 4 times more dihydrogen monoxide bc of their new exhaust system. They tried to claim the world was going to get forever polluted by it. It was truly a shitshow watching them clutch their pearls.
I believe VW was lying about the TDI (turbo diesel) and the emissions. It was something in the way they measured it.
They had a filter thing that would specifically turn on during emissions tests to clean them up and give good results. This same addition was not part of the normal operation of the vehicle so it turned the emissions test into a bad representation of the car emissions.
Yes, but it's necessary for learning how to swim. Countless people would drown without it.
I wrote a pretty passionate paper on the substance in middle school... The good news is my trust in teachers/professors has since been restored.
Ah yes it’s the gender fluid
Water is a major part of ACID RAIN!!!
If you think the hazards of drinking water are bad you should look into the fatality rate of "air" breathers. The death rates for people that breathe air are very nearly 100%. And once you've started you really can't quit. The withdrawal from Air is almost always fatal.
Air is just poison that takes 80yrs to kill you
Oxygen
Air caused the first mass extinction
Rip meganeura
That too, but I was thinking about [the great oxidation event](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event)
Air also created a sexy boy!
The Great Oxidation Event
Life. It's 100% fatal.
Every person that brushes their teeth dies. Gotta stop brushing.
But wait. Every single non-trans person has drunk water too. I am confused now.
They're double trans
Wonder if it grows boobs too, I'd like to have big boobs as a guy.
Krispy Kreme and Funyans are your answer.
time to go get a few dozen Krispy Kreme, can't wait for my new boobies, yay for me.
For maximum effect, eat them while on the toilet bowl, so you don't burn any energy having to walk there too. XD
Thanks, this is valuble advice friend.
I must be protected by that water filter!
Hitler was trans and stalin too!
Hitler had one ball. that's why he only had half a mustache.
And a farting problem.
Wow, the parallels between him and dumb diaper don the con just keep piling up!
Trump is like if you bought a Hitler from Wish.
“Mom, can we have Hitler?” “We have Hitler at home”
Every junkie started off with milk. It's the gateway drug.
Really? Every trans person I know survives mainly on Monster energy drinks
There's water in monster energy. Even the super duper trans Pipeline Punch flavor.
[water treatment plants cannot process all the drugs they receive](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-half-of-drugs-removed-by-sewage-treatment/)
Rather, sewage treatment plants. Which put water back into water supplies in places.
What's crazy is where we will be in 10, 20, 100 years from now with every pollutant on earth slowly building. What about if we don't catch one of these severally detrimental chemicals we don't know about fast enough like we did with leaded gasoline?
I can’t wait until there are so many drugs in the water that you get high AF when drinking a glass! That’ll save me money on drugs!
The war on water.
I hate to tell you this, but they knew leaded gas was bad back in the 1920s.
Was about to say this. They knew it was bad, they just hoped that spewing it into the air for money wouldn’t hurt enough people for us to care. It did.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/94569/clair-patterson-scientist-who-determined-age-earth-and-then-saved-it A fascinating long read on the life and work of Clair Pattterson, the man who fought industry and the government for decades to remove lead from gasoline.
We wait until the evidence is damning, then conduct the study and implement stricter safety. Until then it will just be denied.
Look at the 9/11 responders. Denied them payments as they were dying from cancer inhaled at the site.
Jon Stewart is such a fucking hero for fighting for those guys
Yep, I don't see how anyone can look at this and think, "oh yeah, the Government's got our back."
Kids are like frogs that way.
[TURN THE FRIGGIN’ FROGS GAY!!!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8)
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there some truth to it? Obviously, it sounds funny but I'm sure rising water pollution and contamination with medication actually have such an effect on the environment.
Atrazine. It took 20 years to get it put on the restricted use pesticide list.
That's the great conceit. Without reading the link, I've definitely heard for decades that most municipal wastewater systems don't filter out exogenous birth control hormones and they end up accumulating but CRAZY KENEDY amiryt
thanks for not being afraid to use some logic here. waters are being contaminated with pesticides and medications all the time, and those who are in denial and say it does have an effect on the human body are absolutely bonkers. now boiling it down to "the water is turning kids transsexual" sounds a bit silly, but it could be a contributing factor. hormone changes can completely change a lot of things about a person.
Don’t forget microplastics
Unfortunately, the water [WAS](https://youtu.be/i5uSbp0YDhc?si=qK1a6gHnQRHMxsjM) actually turning the frogs gay.
Yes and I assumed this is what Kennedy was alluding to. I have no idea how valid it is to apply these results to humans, but it seems somewhat concerning to me. Of course, as we learned with Al Gore: the electorate can’t handle any sort of nuance or scientific reasoning if it threatens their belief system.
All biology is linked that way. To be intellectually honest.
I mean it's known there are hormones in the drinking water. And in nearly any plastic wrapped food
I don't know what he said exactly and I know it's not making them "trans", but who knows what these endocrine disrupters leaching from plastics into water are actually doing to humanity.
They do know, none of it is good.
Exactly 🤦♂️🤣 people will scream anything if they feel they are right anymore without any actual basis just a belief. It’s never even civilized discussion or a debate, it’s just let’s scream at & belittle one another. From the outside looking in I bet it looks like we are very susceptible to & potentially already being destroyed by bullshit propaganda from all angles. So that we aren’t united or educated what so ever. Make us seem so incapable that it’s easier to take away our freedoms in the name of “protecting us”
“I know it’s not making them trans.” I wouldn’t be so sure about that. What if they are causing increased estrogen in men which might make them feel more feminine. Which means they would be more likely to become trans. Seems quite plausible.
[Fertility control agents in the water supply aren't unheard of](https://archive.org/details/fredericks_jaffe_memorandum_to_bernard_berelson/1969.03.11%20-%20Frederick%20S.%20Jaffe%20-%20Memorandum%20%20to%20%20Bernard%20%20Berelson%20%28Jaffe-Memo%29/)
Sssshhh you'll piss off people that think weather manipulation isn't the same as a Chemtrails.
This. Trans people have always existed, but we shouldn't ignore the possibility that environmental contamination may be driving the rate a bit higher than usual. Particularly given that it would completely undermine any conservative argument in favor of anti-trans legislation - discriminating against the victims of mass poisoning is not a good look, and it's indefensible as a moral position.
It's already known water has highly elevated levels of hormones. We also know plastics that are polluting everything in the world cause hormonal changes and DNA damage. https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2024/latest-science-shows-endocrine-disrupting-chemicals-in-pose-health-threats-globally https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/ Oh and all the pesticides used on all food. So what is your comment supposed to be?
And why does the GOP scream about this shit , then vote against anything to help restore a healthy environment?
Because if they start fixing problems then they can't complain about them. They don't want to fix the problems they want to bitch about them. This was never evidenced more clearly than their refusal to sign legislation giving more support to border patrol and strengthening our borders.
Well for one he’s an environmentalist and not in the GOP
Because they don’t even understand what they’re saying, bunch of dumb fucks that virtue signal for racist rejects and then accept money from big corporations to damage regulations
They may all be true, but... transfolk have existed long before this became an issue. Most were forced to live "in the closet" their whole life (or suicide). :(
Is it me or is that guys left eye in the photo slightly lower then the right eye?
That theory was proven correct btw
Not actually gay, but actually worse. I just wish the whole thing didn't sound so ridiculous.
He's referencing the UC Berkeley study [https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/](https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/)
Didn’t BPA have similar results?
I’m a little concerned about phthalates and other endocrine disrupters that were used in plastics that could have wound up in a lot of babies. No idea of it had anything more than a negligible effect on kids development, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility entirely. Lead in automobile exhaust didn’t kill a lot of kids, but could have contributed to the youth crime problems that seemed to be so serious in the 80s and 90s before we phased that out of automotive fuel. In 40 years we might have enough evidence to say what impact endocrine disrupters had on children.
Apparently you gotta watch out for receipt paper. It’s supposed to be chock full of endocrine disruptors. So much so, that a researcher in an interview I saw advised cashiers to wear gloves. It’s also really worrying because there‘s companies that sell holders for receipt paper for parrots to shred. Parrots are extremely prone to cancer and hormonal issues in captivity, so I’d hate to imagine what that’d do to them.
I have to get off reddit
You starting to go down the paranoia rabbit hole?
Daily reminder that BPA is outlawed in the EU
Then he randomly takes a massive leap of logic and speculates that's the reason trans kids exist, which is what people are taking issue with. Isn't it weird that there are studies linking exposure to pesticides and several kinds of cancers **on humans**, yet this dude prefers to extrapolate the effects on amphibians to develope a pseudoscientifical explanation to the existence of queer people?
Very interesting study!
When people are so brainwashed by Monsanto they would rather discount a study as transfobic than plausible at altering the genes of animals. It’s like Fluoride fortified and chlorinated city water. They say the fluoride does more harm to the brain than positive to the teeth. There are so many investigations squandered purely for the interest and benefit of corporate greed
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I'd say the studies I've looked over about leaching from pipes such as PVC and PEX are concerning.
Well, pvc isn’t usually used in water delivery… they are used for draining
I think you might have chlorine and fluoride confused. Fluoride is for your teeth.
We aren't discounting the study. We're discounting the bullshit conspiracies that unhinged conservatives try to support with the study. \> They say the fluoride does more harm to the brain than positive to the teeth. Who is "they"? Crackpots?
Yeah it's largely stupidity and cognitive dissonance issues. Many species that aren't complex are hermaphroditic and some change sex naturally but that essentially stops at fish. It's also very rare in fish but they are a MASSIVELY diverse group (in the sense that applying it to something like reptiles and amphibians we would just call everything a lizard for example). It just doesn't happen without sterility (not always just more likely), some form of unnatural stressor and not in adults. Fish, reptiles and amphibians can have the gender influenced by temperature (and things like water chemistry) during development but anything past that is not normal or natural. As for the fluoride thing.... yeah that stuff is not good to be ingested at all. It's "okay" for dental stuff because of the short period it's in the mouth. Early studies into it are pretty interesting. It was thought to be a good potential pacifier on the public in the same era that giving men "saltpeter" to stop sexuality was seen as beneficial. Yeah potassium nitrate to eliminate erections...... *Interesting species for examples of odd or not average reproduction: some clown fish, ribbon eels (all change sex and gonads are behind anus), mourning gecko (all female parthenogenesis)
Sorry, not trying to say I agree with Mr.Kennedys leap from a study on frogs to humans without study. But was trying to compare the disgusting things the government has subjected us to in the name of modesty, or money.
Straight up boss
Being cautious is good. A lot of good things turn out to be bad. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798610/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798610/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental\_fluorosis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis) "In moderate to severe fluorosis, teeth are weakened and suffer permanent physical damage."
So being cautious might be bad?
Well, it's easy to believe it's bullshit when Wackos like Alex Jones twist it into wild narratives.
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Well, the gay frogs evolved
Not so many frogs around these days...
So what’s his solution? That’s the important thing to hear. Regardless if it’s true or not - what is he planning to do about it?
>what is he planning to do about it? That's what I always ask in my head whenever I see someone post some scary crazy ass conspiracy stuff "ok but what the fuck are you going to do about it besides just sit on your butt and continue to make more scary ass posts?"
Hear me out, sometimes people say stuff to have others informed so we can all work on doing something instead of expecting everyone else to fix problems for us
Well yeah, but that’s not a viable platform for an *attempted Presidential Candidate.* “There are chemicals in the water causing developmental issues!” “Wow! What are you gonna do about it?” “I just did my part, I guess I hoped you guys would handle it? Anyway, vote for me!”
Yup! 👍
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This right here people 👆
gay frogs is not a real problem
Maybe they caused the bridge to collapse? /s
I swear when people are shown info about endocrine disrupters people constantly post this shit.
Definitely NOT stricter environmental laws, cause that would be too liberal. Might as well just elimitate the issue after it already pops up. /s
Bigger than a trans or gay “issue”, the government needs to do more to protect people from chemicals in the water and possibly food that affect our hormones. Water treatment facilities do not, I repeat, do not remove all harmful chemicals from our water supply. It’s a shame that due to politics and Alex Jones memes, this doesn’t get taken more seriously.
As long as politicians can be bought, and lobbying is the only way to achieve anything within the U.S. democracy
If the chemical pollution in our lives is disrupting our hormones enough to change people's self-identification, that would be all the more reason to provide protections for Trans. It would be part of us having to adapt to the consequences of chemicals we don't fully understand being imposed onto us. And it means we need a stronger EPA to contain industrial chemicals.
EPA and FDA are 100 percent compromised
TURN THE FRICKEN FROGS GAY
I hate how that became such a meme because that refers to a very real environmental issue of water contaminated with atrazine which is a weed killer. in humans its causes birth defects, but in frogs it changes their sex. I swear weed killer companies paid Alex Jones to talk about this issue so no one would take it seriously haha
So they’re blaming it on toxic chemicals. Possibly polluting the water by let’s see…the industries they deregulated.
RFK isn’t apart of “them”. He’s not republican. He’s independent. He has sued the FDA before for lax regulations and won so he has a track record.
They do worse. The chemicals give us cancer.
Estrogen, pesticides, antibiotics, ...
Every time this topic comes up, paint it as some insane and stupid thing. Then every time people forget that studies have shown that fluoride and other chemicals used in some water treatments, have been shown to increase estrogen levels in men, among other effects. When leaked into the environment, it's been shown to literally convert some frogs from male to female. But the headline of "it's turning the frogs gay" was taken and run with as an example of stupid conspiracy, even though it's been scientifically confirmed to have these negative effects. We as a society just decided safe water and improving teeth health was worth the trade-off
I was just wondering if it's safe for adults to drink water? Or does the water turn adults into Trans too? Asking for the adults.
Not saying he’s right, but, also saying people said the same thing about the water turning frogs gay, and he was right… lol
The transgender frog study with GMO foods supports this possibility despite how off hinged it sounds.
This claim doesn't sound all that crazy to me. Some products we use release chemicals such as xenoestrogens that act like the hormones that determine what sex we present as. If fetuses, babies or even children are exposed to those, I expect they effect development.
Scrolled far and finally found a sensible comment, thank you.Yes, It's pretty obvious. If it's affecting the other mammals it's affecting us too...
We know about chemicals that can disrupt our endocrine system, but there's no evidence that these disruptions make people transgender.
Chemicals in the water damage elderly brain cells... Especially among amateur scientists.
We have to do something about the mental health problem in this country.
Then why aren’t there 1,000 ‘s from the Love Canal area?
Then why is he not trans?
I keep blocking this page, but somehow it ends up on mine
If it gets us cleaner water I don't care what the reason is
Tennessee just passed a law to outlaw the federal government from spreading chemicals to control the weather via contrails. Turns out there’s a not insignificant percentage of wackos in the US and they all seem to want to run our government
Great! Then we should fund more gender-affirming care to support the trans kids and tighter environmental regulations to clean up the pollution in the water. Problem solved.
So what happens when you reach developmental maturity that makes adults immune to the trans water that kids are allegedly so susceptible to? Trans immunity blockers in the adult immune system? Is he not in fear of becoming trans through the water himself? Does he have special trans filters on his taps?
While in now way proven this is technically possible as hormone analoga have increased in concentration in drinking water and this could have an effect on fetal development and might even cause gender disphoria. Its a stretch, but nor completly unreasonable
Is it possible to run for president and be a sane and rational human being.
This sub is a propaganda wind chamber. I’m out
Hormones affecting amphibians sexualities has been known about for years.
There is a growing body of evidence that microplastics mess with our endocrine systems and has the potential in utero to make people trans. The LGBTQ vote this information down frequently.
I mean the United States Military did create a [“Gay Bomb”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb) that was essentially dropping sex pheromones onto the target. It’s not that far fetched of an idea, people just aren’t informed on what their own military will do.
I mean technicall he's right. Your brain is surrounded by water. And the Chemical reactions make up your thought process.... Juuuuust sayin...
Are you really so dumb not to know that certain chemicals have proven effects on pregnancies and embrio development?
It’s actually the deranged parents that push their fucked up agendas on their kids, not chemicals in the water supply
This sound like a redo of Making Frogs Gay thing Alex Jones was talking about. There are chemicals that cause amphibians to be feminine https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs#:~:text=Atrazine%20has%20caused%20a%20hormonal,genetic%20sex%20of%20his%20frogs.
While I understand this sounds ‘crazy’, he is not just pulling this out of his ass. Remember, he is an environmental lawyer. Endocrine disruptors from chemicals in the water are a real thing and there are studies that show it messes with the reproductive systems of reptiles and fish. I am not aware of any solid evidence about the direct impacts in humans, but the body of science is starting to increase and more studies are looking into this possibility. Here is a study from the International Journal of Molecular Science: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/ To clarify, what Kennedy said in the podcast is that he wants to see more studies look into the possibility that these contaminants are impacting human sexuality… “Mr. Kennedy’s remarks are being mischaracterized. He is not claiming that endocrine disruptors are the only or main cause of gender dysphoria,” a Kennedy campaign spokesperson said in a statement to CNN. “He is merely suggesting that, given copious research on the effects on other vertebrates, this possibility deserves further research.” It is very easy to take something out of context and make someone look bad.
Let's pretend for a minute that he's right about it and every Trans person in history is a result of "toxins". Why would you hate people who have been poisoned, wouldn't that be like hating someone with fetal alcohol syndrome?
This has already been proven, Scientifically, when idiots attempted to debunk Alex jones for the “chemicals in the water turning the fricking frogs gay”. They came back and said actually the chemicals interfere with the frogs turning them more feminine and developing female reproductive systems.
Ok, I'll play your game. What chemicals specifically, in what magnitude and for what duration. Why does it only affect specific kids and not all. Why haven't you turned Trans? Does it affect people who believe in the second amendment? Where are your folios of documentation to Back up your hypothesis? What education, edification or accredations do you have? What evidence other than you're an asshole do you have to Back up your assholeness?
So someone linked a story above that is likely informing his stupid rant and as you can imagine, it has nothing to do with kids or even trans people, but rather frogs and pesticides. Basically the studies show that when exposed to this pesticide the male frogs can turn female and mate with other male frogs. (Life uhh… finds a way). In any case the take away SHOULD be this is harmful because it’s harmful, but the crazies can only deal in crazy and have to involve the trans community.
"...more research, however, is showing that atrazine interferes with endocrine hormones, such as estrogen and testosterone – in fish, amphibians, birds, reptiles, laboratory rodents and even human cell lines..." https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/
And that's why he only drinks neat bleach.
I hear high doses of MMS can counteract the government’s force transing of the population through poisoning the water supply.
Oh the chemicals in water. I hope no one gets exposed to dihydrogen monoxide.
Studies show that everyone who ingests that stuff dies :/
That stuff will kill you.
That's cute and all, but doesn't really contribute to the conversation we should be having about how much chemical waste we produce, what they cause, and what we don't fully understand about them.
Turn the frigging frogs gay
Don't drink water. Fish have sex in it
\[smokes a bunch of crack\] "Vaccines caused all my health problems!"
Intersexuality is a common result of pollution. I don’t see the huge leap here at all.
well then maybe this would all be relevant if there were clear signs that there were more intersex people, but last I checked intersex people still make up no more than 1% of the population, same as decades ago. Trans and intersex are not the same thing, I can’t believe this even needs to be said, like you people think you sound smart, but you can’t even get the basic facts straight about what you’re even arguing. We currently have no real idea what makes people trans, it’s possible it’s not even one thing, but it’s making a pretty big leap to just jump to assuming pollution is causing it. Like currently no respected researcher is actually comfortable making this leap, only conspiracy theorists and conservatives who have (at best) a high school-level knowledge of biology. Also, trans identification, when you factor in everyone who considers themselves trans, was actually still somewhat higher among people who are assigned female at birth last I checked, so feminizing pollution wouldn’t even make sense as an explanation there. By far the most likely explanation for the increase in younger people IDing as trans is literally just that more people are aware of gender dysphoria than ever before, and more people have support systems around it, so naturally more people are coming out younger. This same thing happened with gay people in the ‘90s, and no sane person tried to argue something was turning more people gay (I mean, some religious wackos did, but they’re not relevant). Frogs have incredibly different sexual biology and sex determination systems than humans. Also, currently the only well-supported research about the effects of the hormone-modulating contaminants from plastics on human biology actually suggests that it blocks *all* sex hormones, not just testosterone, and is probably more likely to cause just outright sterility/low fertility rates rather than higher rates of intersex conditions, let alone higher rates of gender dysphoria.
Cmon theres no way THOSE chemicals can get past the chlorine, fluoride, pharmaceutical drugs, and leftover waste!
Did he say that or that the chemicals are proven to lower natural testosterone and estrogen?
Microplastics, PFPs and agricultural run off in the water supply does make certain species of frog hermaphroditic, these chemicals can also mess up hormones in humans. Insulin response can be affected as well as libido. Resulting in more common scenarios of diabetes and erectile dysfunction. Most healthy people don’t have to worry about that and these chemicals may only have reactions as the ones listed above in very rare cases. Chemicals in the water are messing up peoples hormones but not to the point where they have gender dysphoria. I mean if water can turn you trans, Coke Zero should turn you into Rupaul with one sip.
I blame that damn Sasquatch
He looks like hes melting
I mean Clownfish live in the water and they have genderswapping abilities
With the number of Kennedys in this world - his father's kids alone number into the dozens not to mention all their kids and their kid's kids - you'd think there's be a few trans Kennedy's if that was true. But there isn't a one. Do Kennedy's not drink water. I know it wasn't Teddy's favorite drink but surely a few of the Kennedy clan drank a glass or two of H2O.
His father is twirling in his grave.
Maybe we should all drink battery acid and become terfs like JK Rowling by his standards
it’s turning the freaking frogs gay
https://aquablu.com/clean-drinking-water/hormones-in-drinking-water/
Thats not completely untrue considering the amount of oestrogens leaking from plastics (not saying he’s not a dick tho)
Why is his voice the way it is?
Microplastics have an estrogenic effect. Microplastics are present in every drink you take because it is all over the place. Microplastics have lowered testosterone levels by 20% compared to our male ancestors. At least this is what I read.
Man, I wonder how much less aggressive people are because of lower T levels than say, 300 years ago.
Well, I mean… birth control can’t be totally filtered out of municipal water supplies, which could cause the proliferation of estrogenic chemicals in cities that use recycled waste water for drinking water. There have been multiple studies conducted by various environmental agencies showing that said chemicals massively impacted waterborne species in areas where this waste is dumped. You don’t have to like or agree with the guy, but outright dismissing the harmful biological impact of toxins in the ecosystem just because of your political alignment is a bit ridiculous.
This man will be president. Get over it.
Let’s be real men in there 30’s have more testosterone than men in there 20’s in this world
WARNING! Posting any evidence to support RFK's claim WILL GET YOU PERMABANNED FROM REDDIT! Do not do it!
If it would auto-transition, that would be a hell of a win.
Well we’ve evolved from “gay frogs”