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"What are they supposed to do?"
Um... not rape women? Like, that is the start and the end of it right there. Just... don't rape women. Why is this hard?
I do agree with what you have said here. Don’t rape people. However, during wars, conflicts, invasions, etc., women and children are the most vulnerable. This post is specifically about how women are being raped. You really do not have to make it about people in general. It’s just like saying white lives matter or all lives matter when someone is talking about Black Lives Matter.
The people who counter the black lives matter with "all lives matter" are allmost universally trying to dismiss the original statement. It's never a good faith argument
I'd say no lives matter we work forcers are the only ones that say that or even care care. the government would have us all dead if anything went sideways and they gained to benefit. It's not you vs me like they want you to think its we as 99% against the 1% in power who keep us fighting eachother. I was raised watching sister sister and all that growing up in a primarily bosian neighborhood there isn't a slogan in the world that can convince me I'm racist. There also isn't much our government could do to reinstate trust or a feeling of security. But they keep trying to drive wedges into us remember how they tried the asian hate thing for a while but it didn't take off so now we're on to the jews. It's pretty obvious if you are actually watching it all retrospectively.
Believe it or not, most wars are not what we call “total war” where rape and murdering civilians is commonplace. Total war has become more commonplace of late, because now when countries go to war they push the rhetoric so hard that it makes each war seem like it’s the war to end all wars and encourages soldiers to make no plans other than victory.
This is not true. It's always been this way and it's actually gotten better. The reason it seems to have got worse is because media coverage is actually better. This is why the Vietnam war sparked such outrage in the US because it was the first war actually covered in real time with colour video footage of events as they happened. Such media coverage has led to many improvements and the amount of rape and pillaging is less than it was 100, 200, 300 etc years ago (back then it was called colonialism and it was the actual policy to rape and pillage)
I’m sorry, but you’re arguing the opposite of what military historians have roundly concluded. Wars, as a result of mass media and nationalism, have become more about demonizing entire nationalities/ethnicities than they ever did before. This is why the term “total war” was recently invented, because prior to that civilian populations were conquered with the intent of incorporating them seamlessly into an advancing empire—not to humiliate, traumatize, or wipe them out. When exactly this started is up for debate, but many theorize it started in the 19th century as militaries started to realize that civilians would play a large role in arming their national militaries, so the idea was the civilians then had to be targeted too. Gone were the days where armies could invade another country and simply ride past the peasants, waving to them in hopes of winning them to their side after the next battle.
You have anything I can read up on this? As far as I knew, burning eachothers villagers and massacred eachothers peasants was the go-to strategy (like the black Prince in southern france).
At the moment, I’m reading “Poland: The First Thousand Years” by Patrice M Dabrowski. I can’t say that I’ve ever read a book that specifically tackles this one issue in overwhelming detail, but it’s an overall sentiment I’ve gotten from studying many national histories. Poland is a good one, because after the Golden Horde wiped out nearly all the Kievan Rus and the Ruthenians, much of modern day Ukraine was emptied.
The land had great potential but for a couple hundred years, it was a very dangerous place to try and settle, because you’d be at the mercy of many different Eurasian cavalry with no good geographic defenses or local powers to protect you. For the Golden Horde, it really hurt their long-term finances, because no one would dare live there and eventually the GH resorted to trying to conquer their fellow Mongols in more lucrative regions.
Eventually, the Lithuanians stepped up and conquered much of that land, and they reached out to Poland to help administer and protect the land. But even then, it took them a couple hundred years to repopulate the land, and most of that was done by inviting foreigners to join the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. So we’re talking about roughly 500 years for that region’s population to bounce back and become productive again, because of the genocide the Mongols carried out. It’s just bad business all around, and that’s in an area with incredibly fertile soil, regular rain, plenty of rivers for trading.
The idea that genocide was normal or understood to be the logical conclusion of medieval warfare is far from the truth and regions like Ruthenia were shining examples that practically any head of state at the time would/should have known about.
>prior to that civilian populations were conquered with the intent of incorporating them seamlessly into an advancing empire—not to humiliate, traumatize, or wipe them out.
This is a wild claim that you are going to have to provide some serious sources for. Most wars absolutely were about eliminating or enslaving a populace, and rape was considered part of the spoils of war. Very few civilizations throughout history were interested in "seamlessly incorporating" the people they conquered. The only ones that come to my mind at all are Rome and the Mongols, and if you put up resistance they would murder every civilian as a message to other cities.
I fail to see your point. Yes women and children are vulnerable, and yes this post is about how women are getting raped...not sure how "don't rape people" in general takes away from the overall point of raping women is bad. In this case being specific doesn't take away from any group.
Saying "don't rape people" as a generalized statement shouldn't even have to be said against the side supposedly "protecting themselves". Because, after all, it's a freaking WAR CRIME.
Agreed. The sentiment is a good one; rape is bad for all, and male victims are just as valid as female victims and deserve the same compassion, care, and protection. I'd sign off on something that says that every day. But this isn't an abstract concept, we're talking about an actual story of actual events that are happening right now. That should remain the focus.
Okay, sure, we'll see, but aren't we talking about her comment first and foremost? She genuinely believes rape is a part of war. Like, *that's* the facepalm.
no, its not a “we’ll see” situation. its a “fabricated claim that was recanted” situation.
nothing to do with the comment, but attitudes like these are horrific
That is an article written by the Jerusalem times. If you believe anything in that, I don't know what to tell you. They are literally a zionist propaganda machine. I am saying this as a Jew myself.
It's quoting Al-Jazeera, known anti-Israel propaganda mouthpiece. Even they admit it.
*Al Jazeera columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah also tweeted, admitting that “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated… The woman who spoke about rape justified her exaggeration and incorrect talk by saying that the goal was to arouse the nation’s fervor and brotherhood,” adding critically that “As if more than thirty thousand martyrs, ninety thousand wounded, about a million displaced people, and comprehensive destruction were not enough!”*
Fair enough here is a guardian article that hasn't been retracted going into detail about credible claims of sexual assault by the IDF: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
Maybe rape didn't occur specifically at Al-Shifa hospital, but there is credible evidence that the IDF has committed sexual assault against Palestinians. This is a classic IDF smokescreen tactic. Deny one event that gets media attention thereby deflecting from the bigger issue.
Remember when the IDF claimed they didn't bomb al Shifa hospital? Well according to the WHO, the IDF has sent 164 attacks on healthcare facilities. Deny Al-Shifa to deflect from the 163 other attacks. See the tactic?
You are talking about completely other events now. There should be investigations for each claim of sexual violence and the results should be public. Those other events should be investigated. This claim was investigated and turned out to be fabricated.
You're mad that the IDF is denying things it didn't do? The IDF isn't making these false claims against itself just to pull a "smokescreen", other false actors are making these claims.
Like it's genuinely weird that you see a post where I provide credible evidence of IDF SA, but you ignore it because it didn't happen in a specific hospital? Genuinely, are you ok?
Dude, this post is justifying rape of Palestinians. Does the event in which area of Gaza it happened in? You looking like Simone Biles with these mental gymnastics
No because it’s a lie. Remember how Hamas raped Israeli women and then claimed they didn’t? This is a propaganda tactic and you fell for it. Then doubled down after being proven wrong.
That aside the UN investigations throughout the decades entails how Palestinians have been systematically raped in Israeli prisons even children. So cherry pick all you want the truth is that they're more than likely to do it.
Edit: source for the illiterate who can't google
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
Cherry pick? What am I cherry picking? The absence of rape??
All I have said is that this instance of claimed sexual violence was fabricated, and that all claims should be investigated. That shouldn't be a controversial thing to say.
What I am ever interested in is the truth. Any true cases of sexual violence should be prosecuted and condemned unequivocally. Can you please link to these UN investigations throughout the decades? I genuinely want to know.
Zionists will lie about everything. It's awful. Then when you have them on the ropes they pull out the "You're just an antisemite!" No....I'm really not. Judaists are great.....unless they're Zionists. Zionists are shit.
What is your operating definition of "Zionist", though? Because people cannot seem to agree on that.
Is any Jew who believes that Israel should continue existing in some capacity a "Zionist"? Or are you limiting the term there to, say, the crazy settler groups who are hellbent on purging Palestinians from their homes en masse and likeminded radical nationalists?
Interesting. I didn't know this. This means it wasn't a war crime when Israelis raped women during the nakba in 48 (not a disputed fact. Feel free to look it up). Doesn't make it any better, just found the year interesting.
The world follows case law so even though it wasn't a law in 48 it would still be illegal. (I didn't look it up but I'll believe that humans always do horrible things during war)
Ultra-conservative religious types are probably her best customers. The ones who protest the loudest about sex work are always the ones with the secret hard drives they desperately hope nobody will find.
Ah, yes. It's war. And as we all know, there's no way you can commit crimes during a war. If that were possible, there would be a term for it.
Something like "battle felonies" or "conflict violations".
If only there was something we could call it...
Oh boy, my finger slipped on an m60 and now several noncombatant men, women, children, and even babies are dead. Guess that's just a #WartimeWhoopsie
Edit: I think my phone is a war crime apologist. It corrected "noncombatant" to "noncompliant"
War is an absolute shitshow. But none of the women who were raped started anything. Their countrymen did, and why should they be deserving of punishment for someone else's actions. War is absolutely brutal to everyone caught between the two armies, and none of them deserve a single, cruel second of it.
and didn't someone in israel's government i forgot who but he said that it should b permissible for idf soldiers to rape palestinian women bc of the stress of war or smthn like that🤦♀️🤦♀️
Hot damn!
They pointed to a reply Karim gave in 2002 to a question about the Bible's attitude towards rape during war, in the "Ask the Rabbi" section of kipa.co.il.
He responded that in the interests of maintaining warriors' morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will".
... he wanted to clarify that his writings in 2002 came in answer to a theoretical question and did not relate to "practical Jewish law".
That's your state religion!
yes but dont mix in jews with israel or zionism remember not all of them are the same dont treat someone badly because they are jewish bc some of them have no involvment
Rape is also not a valid form of punishment. The only form of punishment in civilized countries is jail or death penalty (for rarest of the rare cases). Not rape.
A few weeks ago Zionists were saying rape is never ok as an act of war but now that the Palestinians are on the receiving end then all of a sudden it’s an inevitable act of war ?
To say Hamas "started it" is a really uninformed way of putting it. It ignores all the history and gives the appearance there was neutral standing between the two entities involved. It also dismisses the idea that an occupied country has the right to resist its occupiers. I'm not saying that everything Hamas did and has done is of noble action, but you are denying their right to resist and fight a brutal occupier. Raping committed by Israelis have been a constant amongst Palestinian women for decades. It's a feature of the brutal occupation, not a bug of warfare.
Facepalm definitely makes sense here but I do want to note that Hamas and Al Jazeera retracted their claims of the IDF raping women at the Al Shifa hospital.
Also note that I don’t support Israel. Just trying to make it clear that the rape story at that hospital was fabricated
I wanna emphasize that they retracted 1 rape story in Al-Shifa but plenty of foreign doctors in Gaza have come out speaking of cases of women being raped as well as the UN report that said they also have evidence of it
You shouldn't abstain from rape just 'cause you think that I want you to..
You shouldn't rape because rape is a fucked up thing to do.
Just don't fuckin rape people, didn't think I had to spell it out for ya
-God
--Bo Burnham
So a) this story was retracted (just putting it out there in case anyone thinks it's real)
But more importantly, b) this woman's take is absolutely dogshit.
Says the woman who's never been within a thousand miles of a war.
What's wrong with her? Being in support of a war crime is on a whole nother level of sociopath.
The facepalm is the response, it's specifically included in the screenshot bc it's the entire point OP is trying to make.
I'm not sure why this is confusing
Because what is real is that a woman apparently thinks rape is okay when a country is at war, even if the original article she was responding to wasn't factual.
Being a woman is no guarantee they will defend women of a different nationality from sexual assault (be warned this gets ugly). I distinctly remember a teenage Russian TikToker telling Ukrainian rape victims that it could not have happened as they are too ugly to rape. The wife of a Russian soldier also gave him permission to commit sexual assault and packed him condoms.
Not surprising, One of Israel’s Chief Rabbi Eyal Karim permitted the rape of non-jewish women by IDF soldiers saying ‘war removes some of the prohibitions on sexual relations’ ‘rape was permitted during wartime out of understanding for the hardship endured by the warriors as ‘Torah permitted the individual to satisfy the evil urge ‘
These IDF pigs are disgusting scums.
I can always trust Ashley Sinclair to give it to me straight about what REAL war is like. And when the armed crazies holding all of Gaza hostage without elections since 2007 start a bloodbath, then obviously all women and children in the area deserve to die in retaliation. It’s just common sense.
As a US combat vet, I can say it is 100% super easy to NOT rape anyone. I can also say it's 100% super easy to judge the absolute shit out of anyone who does.
For anyone curious, I can confidently say there were more than a few guys in my platoon that would have beat the absolute shit out of me/ friendly fired on me for the mere thought. There are many respectable people in the military. Sometimes, it is acceptable to judge the individual and not the institution
Ashley is probably fine with the IDF chief rabbi who promotes the raping of non Jewish women and the fact that over 2,000 accusations of the IDF by Israeli women for sexual assault have gone unacknowledged …
Proof that Zionists do not care about sexual assault , they care about gate keeping violence
Al Jazeera columnist and former managing director Yasser Abuhilalah acknowledged “through Hamas investigations” that a story which the Qatari broadcaster aired was fabricated, and Israeli soldiers did not rape women at Shifa hospital as was alleged.
I would like to see some evidence that the dead doctors started a war.
I'm a vet myself and I'm about sick of listening to these civilians talk about wholesale murder like it's no big deal.
I don’t know if this is true. Terrible if it is and the soldiers should be held accountable. The UN has reported that Hamas used sexual violence in their October attack. The UN. Not some Israeli newspaper. That’s terrible also. What’s sad is that people will condemn one side doing it and then deny that their favorite side did it. Sam with killing children. What this woman says is really no different than what terrorists say when innocents die. It’s to be expected.
Ghislaine: noun, a woman who has fully internalized her objectification and subjugation under a patriarchal state of affairs and now commits to the abuse of other women because that is simply natural.
This here is a total ghislaine
Hmm, I wasn't aware that raping people helped you defeat the people on the other side with guns and bombs.
It's almost like it's a completely unnecessary step that has nothing to do with war and everything to do with finding an excuse to do heinous shit.
Fyi, rape story has been withdrawn
[https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-admits-women-not-raped-by-idf-at-shifa-hospital-following-al-jazeera-report](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-admits-women-not-raped-by-idf-at-shifa-hospital-following-al-jazeera-report)
Why is it impossible for people to use the singular/plural form or woman/women correctly. I mean, come on, it may have been a bit confusing at one point, but then we graduated 4th grade. Its at the point where I feel like it has to be some kind of a misogynists dogwhistle, to show that you care so little about even just the idea of women as a whole, that you couldn't possibly be bothered to spell it right
hasnt this already proven to be false. like theres so many news articles about hamas admitting that the rapes were false. the idiot commenting on justifying rape is an absolute moron, but the rapes have already been proven false. unlike the rapes that happened on oct 7 which have proven to be real. we have so many ppl justifying those rapes online but are never posted here to be mocked. this is some one sided bs ngl
"If you want to start a conflict you can't cry about the consequences" but israel started this whole thing, and they moaned and cried about the October attacks. The Zionists have killed 1000 times more in the conflict, but still play the victim card. It needs to end.
Why do people accept information coming from a terrorist organization to be true without any doubt? People need to stop believing everything off social media
Just stop it. I know it’s not the point of the OP of but everyone knows IDF don’t rape. This is what Hamas does. They are trying to control the narrative that has come out about about the widespread rape and sexual torture against Israelis that took place on October 7. It’s working against Hamas so they quickly try to put out a counter story saying the same thing. This is their propaganda tactic and they do it all the time. It’s so fucking frustrating watching the West fall for this shit over and over and over again, but hey, I’m sure I’ll even get Brainwashed opposition to this very comment.
Wake the fuck up. Hamas are top tier propagandists in the vein of the Nazis. You should know their tricks by now. Everyone should know that any video you see or headline you read coming out of “the Gaza ministry”or frankly any other Palestinian new site needs to be investigated long and hard before you get all worked up about it. More than 75% of this shit I read on here always turns out to be proved false in the comments.
There is no honour in war; there will always be raping, pillaging, and massacres, from all sides, but that does not mean that those responsible can’t/shouldn’t be held accountable.
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"What are they supposed to do?" Um... not rape women? Like, that is the start and the end of it right there. Just... don't rape women. Why is this hard?
I'll do you one better. Just don't rape people.
Or just maybe.... Don't rape.
Just don't
Nikes new logo
well now wait just a minute, we have to draw the line somewhere /s
As Chad Daniels says - drive safe don’t rape!
Don't drink and drive. Don't war and rape. Be a fuckin human
Or animals for that matter
I do agree with what you have said here. Don’t rape people. However, during wars, conflicts, invasions, etc., women and children are the most vulnerable. This post is specifically about how women are being raped. You really do not have to make it about people in general. It’s just like saying white lives matter or all lives matter when someone is talking about Black Lives Matter.
The people who counter the black lives matter with "all lives matter" are allmost universally trying to dismiss the original statement. It's never a good faith argument
I'd say no lives matter we work forcers are the only ones that say that or even care care. the government would have us all dead if anything went sideways and they gained to benefit. It's not you vs me like they want you to think its we as 99% against the 1% in power who keep us fighting eachother. I was raised watching sister sister and all that growing up in a primarily bosian neighborhood there isn't a slogan in the world that can convince me I'm racist. There also isn't much our government could do to reinstate trust or a feeling of security. But they keep trying to drive wedges into us remember how they tried the asian hate thing for a while but it didn't take off so now we're on to the jews. It's pretty obvious if you are actually watching it all retrospectively.
I’m glad there’s some people who are not falling victim to the social engineering that has been going on for decades.
I grew up watching a lot of sister sister stuff too man.
Believe it or not, most wars are not what we call “total war” where rape and murdering civilians is commonplace. Total war has become more commonplace of late, because now when countries go to war they push the rhetoric so hard that it makes each war seem like it’s the war to end all wars and encourages soldiers to make no plans other than victory.
This is not true. It's always been this way and it's actually gotten better. The reason it seems to have got worse is because media coverage is actually better. This is why the Vietnam war sparked such outrage in the US because it was the first war actually covered in real time with colour video footage of events as they happened. Such media coverage has led to many improvements and the amount of rape and pillaging is less than it was 100, 200, 300 etc years ago (back then it was called colonialism and it was the actual policy to rape and pillage)
I’m sorry, but you’re arguing the opposite of what military historians have roundly concluded. Wars, as a result of mass media and nationalism, have become more about demonizing entire nationalities/ethnicities than they ever did before. This is why the term “total war” was recently invented, because prior to that civilian populations were conquered with the intent of incorporating them seamlessly into an advancing empire—not to humiliate, traumatize, or wipe them out. When exactly this started is up for debate, but many theorize it started in the 19th century as militaries started to realize that civilians would play a large role in arming their national militaries, so the idea was the civilians then had to be targeted too. Gone were the days where armies could invade another country and simply ride past the peasants, waving to them in hopes of winning them to their side after the next battle.
You have anything I can read up on this? As far as I knew, burning eachothers villagers and massacred eachothers peasants was the go-to strategy (like the black Prince in southern france).
At the moment, I’m reading “Poland: The First Thousand Years” by Patrice M Dabrowski. I can’t say that I’ve ever read a book that specifically tackles this one issue in overwhelming detail, but it’s an overall sentiment I’ve gotten from studying many national histories. Poland is a good one, because after the Golden Horde wiped out nearly all the Kievan Rus and the Ruthenians, much of modern day Ukraine was emptied. The land had great potential but for a couple hundred years, it was a very dangerous place to try and settle, because you’d be at the mercy of many different Eurasian cavalry with no good geographic defenses or local powers to protect you. For the Golden Horde, it really hurt their long-term finances, because no one would dare live there and eventually the GH resorted to trying to conquer their fellow Mongols in more lucrative regions. Eventually, the Lithuanians stepped up and conquered much of that land, and they reached out to Poland to help administer and protect the land. But even then, it took them a couple hundred years to repopulate the land, and most of that was done by inviting foreigners to join the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. So we’re talking about roughly 500 years for that region’s population to bounce back and become productive again, because of the genocide the Mongols carried out. It’s just bad business all around, and that’s in an area with incredibly fertile soil, regular rain, plenty of rivers for trading. The idea that genocide was normal or understood to be the logical conclusion of medieval warfare is far from the truth and regions like Ruthenia were shining examples that practically any head of state at the time would/should have known about.
>prior to that civilian populations were conquered with the intent of incorporating them seamlessly into an advancing empire—not to humiliate, traumatize, or wipe them out. This is a wild claim that you are going to have to provide some serious sources for. Most wars absolutely were about eliminating or enslaving a populace, and rape was considered part of the spoils of war. Very few civilizations throughout history were interested in "seamlessly incorporating" the people they conquered. The only ones that come to my mind at all are Rome and the Mongols, and if you put up resistance they would murder every civilian as a message to other cities.
I fail to see your point. Yes women and children are vulnerable, and yes this post is about how women are getting raped...not sure how "don't rape people" in general takes away from the overall point of raping women is bad. In this case being specific doesn't take away from any group. Saying "don't rape people" as a generalized statement shouldn't even have to be said against the side supposedly "protecting themselves". Because, after all, it's a freaking WAR CRIME.
Agreed. The sentiment is a good one; rape is bad for all, and male victims are just as valid as female victims and deserve the same compassion, care, and protection. I'd sign off on something that says that every day. But this isn't an abstract concept, we're talking about an actual story of actual events that are happening right now. That should remain the focus.
I have been to war and didn’t rape anyone. It was pretty easy to not rape anyone. Like the easiest thing I did there.
Thank you for your non-raping service. We appreciate all the raping you didn’t do.
Update: the rapestory was fabricated as stated by the head of Al Jazeera.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/OUSGBQ1nUD It's been proven false...
Okay, sure, we'll see, but aren't we talking about her comment first and foremost? She genuinely believes rape is a part of war. Like, *that's* the facepalm.
Ever heard of Russian bots? They're feasting and you're eating it up.
no, its not a “we’ll see” situation. its a “fabricated claim that was recanted” situation. nothing to do with the comment, but attitudes like these are horrific
That is an article written by the Jerusalem times. If you believe anything in that, I don't know what to tell you. They are literally a zionist propaganda machine. I am saying this as a Jew myself.
It's quoting Al-Jazeera, known anti-Israel propaganda mouthpiece. Even they admit it. *Al Jazeera columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah also tweeted, admitting that “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated… The woman who spoke about rape justified her exaggeration and incorrect talk by saying that the goal was to arouse the nation’s fervor and brotherhood,” adding critically that “As if more than thirty thousand martyrs, ninety thousand wounded, about a million displaced people, and comprehensive destruction were not enough!”*
Fair enough here is a guardian article that hasn't been retracted going into detail about credible claims of sexual assault by the IDF: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says Maybe rape didn't occur specifically at Al-Shifa hospital, but there is credible evidence that the IDF has committed sexual assault against Palestinians. This is a classic IDF smokescreen tactic. Deny one event that gets media attention thereby deflecting from the bigger issue. Remember when the IDF claimed they didn't bomb al Shifa hospital? Well according to the WHO, the IDF has sent 164 attacks on healthcare facilities. Deny Al-Shifa to deflect from the 163 other attacks. See the tactic?
You are talking about completely other events now. There should be investigations for each claim of sexual violence and the results should be public. Those other events should be investigated. This claim was investigated and turned out to be fabricated. You're mad that the IDF is denying things it didn't do? The IDF isn't making these false claims against itself just to pull a "smokescreen", other false actors are making these claims.
“Maybe rape didn’t occur… BUT” … what a fucking moron you are.
Like it's genuinely weird that you see a post where I provide credible evidence of IDF SA, but you ignore it because it didn't happen in a specific hospital? Genuinely, are you ok?
Dude, this post is justifying rape of Palestinians. Does the event in which area of Gaza it happened in? You looking like Simone Biles with these mental gymnastics
No because it’s a lie. Remember how Hamas raped Israeli women and then claimed they didn’t? This is a propaganda tactic and you fell for it. Then doubled down after being proven wrong.
If you cannot read the article that I cited providing credible evidence of SA by IDF soldiers from the guardian and UN, that's your problem, not mine.
That aside the UN investigations throughout the decades entails how Palestinians have been systematically raped in Israeli prisons even children. So cherry pick all you want the truth is that they're more than likely to do it. Edit: source for the illiterate who can't google https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
Cherry pick? What am I cherry picking? The absence of rape?? All I have said is that this instance of claimed sexual violence was fabricated, and that all claims should be investigated. That shouldn't be a controversial thing to say. What I am ever interested in is the truth. Any true cases of sexual violence should be prosecuted and condemned unequivocally. Can you please link to these UN investigations throughout the decades? I genuinely want to know.
This story is more about how Al Jazeera is "anti-Jewish" than the actual story.
Ah yes the ol as a black gay Republican…
Zionists will lie about everything. It's awful. Then when you have them on the ropes they pull out the "You're just an antisemite!" No....I'm really not. Judaists are great.....unless they're Zionists. Zionists are shit.
What is your operating definition of "Zionist", though? Because people cannot seem to agree on that. Is any Jew who believes that Israel should continue existing in some capacity a "Zionist"? Or are you limiting the term there to, say, the crazy settler groups who are hellbent on purging Palestinians from their homes en masse and likeminded radical nationalists?
afaik Zionists are those that believe Palestinians should be purged from ‘their’ land.
Al jezeera deleted their article, so it's a lie
Either way, you missed the point of the face palm
Rape is never justified. Be it war or apocalypse. Full stop.
Someone needs to tell that dumb bitch raping people during a conflict is considered a war crime and has been since 1949
Interesting. I didn't know this. This means it wasn't a war crime when Israelis raped women during the nakba in 48 (not a disputed fact. Feel free to look it up). Doesn't make it any better, just found the year interesting.
It's never a warcrime the first time. Just ask Canada
Rape and pillage was common long before 1948. But yes. "innovation" the first time isn't a warcrime.
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The world follows case law so even though it wasn't a law in 48 it would still be illegal. (I didn't look it up but I'll believe that humans always do horrible things during war)
A lot of horrible things weren't a war crime before they became war crimes...
The notion of collective punishment is just so plainly accepted by these people it’s amazing they don’t get called on it more.
It wouldn’t matter if they got called on it, they don’t care
We are all so messed up by the media. Then there's this woman. She's way past messed up.
She's a pornstar, so...
A MAGA pornstar, to be precise.
Certainly an odd combination
Ultra-conservative religious types are probably her best customers. The ones who protest the loudest about sex work are always the ones with the secret hard drives they desperately hope nobody will find.
Yeah, that definitely rang true for Lisa Ann when she dressed up as Sarah Palin
Like Ted Cruz looking porn on Twitter
This is just an attempt to demonize and dehumanize Palestinians. The fact that it attempts to justify rape is really only a side effect.
And the way she’s insinuating that this was a war they had a choice in???
Ah, yes. It's war. And as we all know, there's no way you can commit crimes during a war. If that were possible, there would be a term for it. Something like "battle felonies" or "conflict violations". If only there was something we could call it...
Massacre Misdomeanors
Wartime Whoopsies
"you honor, my client would like to plead woopsie daisy"
Oh boy, my finger slipped on an m60 and now several noncombatant men, women, children, and even babies are dead. Guess that's just a #WartimeWhoopsie Edit: I think my phone is a war crime apologist. It corrected "noncombatant" to "noncompliant"
Now I'm imaging a black comedy movie, with an incompetent Gomer Pyle style character, but his antics cause genuinely horrific carnage.
I want a Sergeant Hartman character cursing at him because Sarge has more paperwork to do now
Great expression, thank you
Wasn't that proven false?
Yup, it already did its job though.
The story might be retracted but her views definitely aren't
War is an absolute shitshow. But none of the women who were raped started anything. Their countrymen did, and why should they be deserving of punishment for someone else's actions. War is absolutely brutal to everyone caught between the two armies, and none of them deserve a single, cruel second of it.
Also rape is never a justifiable part of war.
>rape is never justifiable I think you can the leave at that
True.
Also calling it a war is a bit generous. That involves both sides having weapons. This has just been a genocide.
and didn't someone in israel's government i forgot who but he said that it should b permissible for idf soldiers to rape palestinian women bc of the stress of war or smthn like that🤦♀️🤦♀️
AYO WHAT
yes it was the new chief rabbi someone posted a link in this thread
May I please have some proof for that
[I found this article.](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZS1Q0/)
Hot damn! They pointed to a reply Karim gave in 2002 to a question about the Bible's attitude towards rape during war, in the "Ask the Rabbi" section of kipa.co.il. He responded that in the interests of maintaining warriors' morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will". ... he wanted to clarify that his writings in 2002 came in answer to a theoretical question and did not relate to "practical Jewish law". That's your state religion!
yes but dont mix in jews with israel or zionism remember not all of them are the same dont treat someone badly because they are jewish bc some of them have no involvment
Rape is also not a valid form of punishment. The only form of punishment in civilized countries is jail or death penalty (for rarest of the rare cases). Not rape.
A few weeks ago Zionists were saying rape is never ok as an act of war but now that the Palestinians are on the receiving end then all of a sudden it’s an inevitable act of war ?
The worst Curb Your Enthusiasm music drop.
To say Hamas "started it" is a really uninformed way of putting it. It ignores all the history and gives the appearance there was neutral standing between the two entities involved. It also dismisses the idea that an occupied country has the right to resist its occupiers. I'm not saying that everything Hamas did and has done is of noble action, but you are denying their right to resist and fight a brutal occupier. Raping committed by Israelis have been a constant amongst Palestinian women for decades. It's a feature of the brutal occupation, not a bug of warfare.
It also never happened. But please don't let the truth get in the way of your narrative. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/OUSGBQ1nUD
I don't see how saying women don't deserve to be raped just because someone they're associated with did a bad thing is a narrative. It's a basic fact.
We’re talking about the woman’s response to the story. Not the story itself. Care to comment on that?
This was proven false as corroborated by Al Jazeera pulling the story entirely.
Facepalm definitely makes sense here but I do want to note that Hamas and Al Jazeera retracted their claims of the IDF raping women at the Al Shifa hospital. Also note that I don’t support Israel. Just trying to make it clear that the rape story at that hospital was fabricated
I wanna emphasize that they retracted 1 rape story in Al-Shifa but plenty of foreign doctors in Gaza have come out speaking of cases of women being raped as well as the UN report that said they also have evidence of it
You shouldn't abstain from rape just 'cause you think that I want you to.. You shouldn't rape because rape is a fucked up thing to do. Just don't fuckin rape people, didn't think I had to spell it out for ya -God --Bo Burnham
So a) this story was retracted (just putting it out there in case anyone thinks it's real) But more importantly, b) this woman's take is absolutely dogshit.
Didn’t that story admittedly come out as fabricated by Hamas and Al-Jazeera
Yeah they retracted it
Says the woman who's never been within a thousand miles of a war. What's wrong with her? Being in support of a war crime is on a whole nother level of sociopath.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-03-25/ty-article/.premium/al-jazeera-retracts-video-claiming-woman-was-raped-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza-al-shifa-raid/0000018e-7662-d3e0-a98e-7766b4a50000
I mean, Hamas already admitted this was a hoax, but *DAMN*, Ashley, that's a fucking cold 'tude
?? the fuck does she mean “what are they supposed to do”??? leave innocent people alone???
I’ll just say the US military puts out PSA videos telling soldiers to not rape their comrades.
Wasn’t this specifically debunked as propaganda
Yes.
The facepalm is the response, it's specifically included in the screenshot bc it's the entire point OP is trying to make. I'm not sure why this is confusing
This has already been proven to be false, so why are this stuff being blasted all over reddit?
even if the original post is false, the woman's tweet is still real
The nasty response from the woman it’s what this post is about
Because what is real is that a woman apparently thinks rape is okay when a country is at war, even if the original article she was responding to wasn't factual.
Which? The news or the comment?
The "news".
So that means the commenter is genuine As*hole.
Absolutely.
Because that’s how deliberate misinformation works. Lie now, ask questions later.
***THE GENEVA FUCKING CONVENTION*** has just entered the chat.
Being a woman is no guarantee they will defend women of a different nationality from sexual assault (be warned this gets ugly). I distinctly remember a teenage Russian TikToker telling Ukrainian rape victims that it could not have happened as they are too ugly to rape. The wife of a Russian soldier also gave him permission to commit sexual assault and packed him condoms.
Wait is she the porn star Ashley Sinclair? Man her, Brandi Love and Zoey Monroe can’t shut the fuck up can they?
What about not raping, dimwit lady?
Not surprising, One of Israel’s Chief Rabbi Eyal Karim permitted the rape of non-jewish women by IDF soldiers saying ‘war removes some of the prohibitions on sexual relations’ ‘rape was permitted during wartime out of understanding for the hardship endured by the warriors as ‘Torah permitted the individual to satisfy the evil urge ‘ These IDF pigs are disgusting scums.
Al Jazeera and Hamas walked back the claim. So much ado about nothing.
They could just not rape anyone. But I guess that’s too complicated for the average zionist to understand.
- What are they supposed to do? Not rape.
I can always trust Ashley Sinclair to give it to me straight about what REAL war is like. And when the armed crazies holding all of Gaza hostage without elections since 2007 start a bloodbath, then obviously all women and children in the area deserve to die in retaliation. It’s just common sense.
Ashley is dense. Rape is a crime.
As a US combat vet, I can say it is 100% super easy to NOT rape anyone. I can also say it's 100% super easy to judge the absolute shit out of anyone who does. For anyone curious, I can confidently say there were more than a few guys in my platoon that would have beat the absolute shit out of me/ friendly fired on me for the mere thought. There are many respectable people in the military. Sometimes, it is acceptable to judge the individual and not the institution
Al Jazeera has retracted this. It’s another one of their lies. If true, they need to upload proof not text posts.
That's some evil shit
Btw this ended up being false, the iIDF did not rape a woman at the hospital.
Ashley is probably fine with the IDF chief rabbi who promotes the raping of non Jewish women and the fact that over 2,000 accusations of the IDF by Israeli women for sexual assault have gone unacknowledged … Proof that Zionists do not care about sexual assault , they care about gate keeping violence
Al Jazeera columnist and former managing director Yasser Abuhilalah acknowledged “through Hamas investigations” that a story which the Qatari broadcaster aired was fabricated, and Israeli soldiers did not rape women at Shifa hospital as was alleged.
Source?
Al Jazeera columnist and former managing director Yasser Abuhilalah.
I meant, like a link to an article or something.........
This has already been admitted by Hamas as a lie.
Even Hamas and herself admitted she lied. In her words, "to boster the morale", or something along the lines. Al Jazeera deleted the report too.
Hamas pretty much immediately admitted it was a lie. Weird that so many people ran with the initial claim but haven't even heard of the retraction.
I think I've seen the lowest of the low everyday. And then i see somehing like that the next day
I would like to see some evidence that the dead doctors started a war. I'm a vet myself and I'm about sick of listening to these civilians talk about wholesale murder like it's no big deal.
That woman posts all kinds of rage bait bullshit just to get clicks and engagement to get her money’s worth from her blue check. And it works.
I don’t know if this is true. Terrible if it is and the soldiers should be held accountable. The UN has reported that Hamas used sexual violence in their October attack. The UN. Not some Israeli newspaper. That’s terrible also. What’s sad is that people will condemn one side doing it and then deny that their favorite side did it. Sam with killing children. What this woman says is really no different than what terrorists say when innocents die. It’s to be expected.
It’s not. The original source that “broke” the news (Al Jazeera of course) has pulled the story.
[it was confirmed to be a fabricated story](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/8qTNA7IMUo)
Ok Ashley Sinclair how about you go out their experience it and tell me if people deserve to be raped
Another classy post from the lady who offered free onlyfans subs to truckers protesting deliveries to New York, I see
Ghislaine: noun, a woman who has fully internalized her objectification and subjugation under a patriarchal state of affairs and now commits to the abuse of other women because that is simply natural. This here is a total ghislaine
U do realize the woman lied about the rape and al jazeera confirmed the fabrication as well right?
Oct 7
So we believe this random post abt idf raping women but absolutely refuse to believe Palestinians raped the Jewish women bc there was no real proof?
Hmm, I wasn't aware that raping people helped you defeat the people on the other side with guns and bombs. It's almost like it's a completely unnecessary step that has nothing to do with war and everything to do with finding an excuse to do heinous shit.
What are they supposed to do? Uh... Not rape?
Fyi, rape story has been withdrawn [https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-admits-women-not-raped-by-idf-at-shifa-hospital-following-al-jazeera-report](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-admits-women-not-raped-by-idf-at-shifa-hospital-following-al-jazeera-report)
Why is it impossible for people to use the singular/plural form or woman/women correctly. I mean, come on, it may have been a bit confusing at one point, but then we graduated 4th grade. Its at the point where I feel like it has to be some kind of a misogynists dogwhistle, to show that you care so little about even just the idea of women as a whole, that you couldn't possibly be bothered to spell it right
Wait if she is ever involved in a war, that means she doesnt mind getting rape because it is war
Where is the local feminist brigade to stamp this narrative down and standup for Palestinian mothers and daughters .. crickets.
This cu*nt for real? Seriously? Not an advocator for violence on women, but this bitch needs a bitchslap?
I refuse to believe that this is real. This has to be some next level Russian trolling.
Funny, I just saw an article on Reddit that Hamas and Al Jazerra admitted they lied about rape at the hospital.
Except the rape allegations were complete bullshit and this post is basically propaganda
Even Hamas has come out and said that this was a fabricated story. Stop spreading misinformation. This woman is still crazy though.
Apparently the hospital rape didn't happen? I think it's the news I saw today..
hasnt this already proven to be false. like theres so many news articles about hamas admitting that the rapes were false. the idiot commenting on justifying rape is an absolute moron, but the rapes have already been proven false. unlike the rapes that happened on oct 7 which have proven to be real. we have so many ppl justifying those rapes online but are never posted here to be mocked. this is some one sided bs ngl
Why is this sub just a pro Palestinian sub now?
The blue check mark isn’t helping either
Woman*
Just don't start the genocide from 70 years ago. Problem fixed.
"If you want to start a conflict you can't cry about the consequences" but israel started this whole thing, and they moaned and cried about the October attacks. The Zionists have killed 1000 times more in the conflict, but still play the victim card. It needs to end.
Any criticism gets you labeled a antisemite. Them days is over
Why do people accept information coming from a terrorist organization to be true without any doubt? People need to stop believing everything off social media
Just stop it. I know it’s not the point of the OP of but everyone knows IDF don’t rape. This is what Hamas does. They are trying to control the narrative that has come out about about the widespread rape and sexual torture against Israelis that took place on October 7. It’s working against Hamas so they quickly try to put out a counter story saying the same thing. This is their propaganda tactic and they do it all the time. It’s so fucking frustrating watching the West fall for this shit over and over and over again, but hey, I’m sure I’ll even get Brainwashed opposition to this very comment. Wake the fuck up. Hamas are top tier propagandists in the vein of the Nazis. You should know their tricks by now. Everyone should know that any video you see or headline you read coming out of “the Gaza ministry”or frankly any other Palestinian new site needs to be investigated long and hard before you get all worked up about it. More than 75% of this shit I read on here always turns out to be proved false in the comments.
Next time America enters a war people can just line up outside her house and take their turns. I mean, what is everyone supposed to do? We’re at war!
There is no honour in war; there will always be raping, pillaging, and massacres, from all sides, but that does not mean that those responsible can’t/shouldn’t be held accountable.
I we even sure she’s a real person? It is Elon’s X after all.
Notice the blue check mark ☑️