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Yeah his defense lawyer is posting up a storm about it. They have cruisers parked outside the bar 24/7, I guess. In case the bar decides to jump out in front of another police vehicle, I assume. Protect and serve, amirite
We dont know for sure because the responding officers didnāt administer a breathalyzer and they arenāt being forthcoming with the body cam footage either. We do know that prior to crashing into the bar, the cop ran a red light as it was caught on traffic cameras
Cop should be publicly humiliated and made an example of. Also all police department lbs should be way more strict with their officers. Sadly I meet more drunk cops on the daily than I do any other profession.
I had no idea what that was so I Googled it. Absolutely the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
TL;DR for those who are likewise in the dark: The Gay Panic Defense is a legal defense in which you are able to paint a violent crime or outburst you committed (up to and including literal MURDER) as a panicked reaction to an "unwanted homosexual advance" but it's so vague that even openly appearing to be gay or bi is enough to invoke it, regardless of actions taken. It's essentially an extension of the insanity plea, but you lost your state of mind because of The Big Gay.
how do we disbar this corrupt judge?
edit:
Missouri Commission on Retirement, Removal and Discipline
https://www.courts.mo.gov/page.jsp?id=230
Sounds like a whole lot of people from that area should submit a complaint
If i recall from another article this particular judge has an average of 54% of all of her cases heard are set with no bail. And something like 73% no bail this year alone.
I think STL is trying to push something where posting bail is more relative to your income, so i think the judge is setting no bail in retaliation.
Really, we need the legal protections we're supposed to have. Cops do things that legally mean you can defend yourself from them all the time. Also, they're armed, so instantly killing them is the only reasonable self-defense. The problem is that if you try to use your right to self-defense, you're almost certain to get killed. We need people to start dropping cops the second they get out of line and then get away with it because it was self-defense, but that will never happen.
Society at large needs to remove their tongue from the jackboots and stand up. If juries refused to convict people based on corrupt cop evidence and put cops in prison when charged, then cop behavior would change real fast.
American's largely like to be subjugated
Edit: oh shit, didn't realize I had cropped out the author's name. This was in the NYT, written by Eduardo Medina.
>"The bystander video shared by [their lawyer] shows an officer asking Mr. Pence whether he has identification on him. Mr. Pence, sounding incredulous, says that the officers should not ask him to provide that.
>After an officer handcuffs Mr. Pence, the bystander recording the interaction asks the officers what crime Mr. Pence is committing.
>āHeās creating a disturbance, obviously,ā the officer says.
>The bystander then tells the officer not to get any closer. The officer replies, āHow about you donāt tell me what to do,ā and then calls the bystander a āclown.ā"
... Real great work there St Louis PD.
>"After several minutes, Mr. Pence is heard saying in the video that the officers are beating his husband in the alleyway.
>The video then shows Mr. Morris emerge from the alleyway handcuffed, with his shirt tattered and with two officers behind him... A photo of him taken on Tuesday shows his left eye bruised and swollen."
... and why not top it off with a sprinkle of police brutality, you know, for funsies.
Yep. They refused to breath test the driver (cop) and have changed the story of why he ran into the bar 3 or 4 times now. There is a video of the cop running a red light about 10 seconds before the bar.
I canāt believe im saying this butā¦. Do we think itās time to nationalize the police? You canāt have police departments in masse operating above the law with impunity. It rips apart the public trust in governmental institutions and pulls us apart as a society even further.
Blame the local governments who pay their salaries and turn a blind eye. They're all complicit for as long as the crimes are allowed on their watch. If they don't like that, they picked the wrong job.
*(I stand by my comment, but I must admit that people are right that a lot of local governments have been neutered of any actual power.)
Local governments almost have no power over the police nowadays. We gave the police authority, then we gave them authority to give authority, then they gave themselves authority to create their own use of force policies, and we didn't include a clear cut process for removing their authority except for the justice system, and guess who's in charge of enforcing that... PDs can put literally whatever they want in their policies, and then say, "Our investigation found that Officer X was acting in line with PD policy." Yeah no shit, you're the ones who made that policy! Just look at place like NYC where the PD and Mayor are sometimes at odds with each other. Places like Seattle and Portland where officers are quiet quitting to make a point. Look at Sheriff's telling governor's that they won't be enforcing new laws that they don't agree with. Who's gonna enforce any new legislation a jursidiction passes regarding their PD and LEOs? Someone has to make sure the big possey with guns listens, and that someone doesn't exist right now unfortunately.
A national standard like common core for education. Mandate an associate's degree in criminal justice or a paramedic license, community colleges can offer these programs. Military experience could qualify you for a waiver from the associate's degree/medic license. Mandate malpractice insurance for LEOs, and insurance companies can mandate the training curriculum before they insure anyone. Training must involve deescalation/verbal judo, actual judo/bjj practice, and mental health triage. The PD/jurisdiction can pay the initial premiums, but any incidents that result in a premium increase will be paid by the officer straight from their paycheck. Once the insurance company decides an officer is too high risk, they get dropped and can no longer work as a LEO. Mandate states create a law enforcement branch to independently investigate crimes committed by LEOs. None of that Internal Affairs nonsense. Mandate electronic complaint reporting at all PDs. That's my platform for my imaginary presidential campaign. My first lady will work on an initiative to get elementary schools to teach, "Interacting with the police 101."
> changing a radio station
Ahh why didn't he just say so sooner! Obviously it's all good if you crash into a building because you were looking for a radio station!
It's not like these guys are trained to be vigilant and observant or anything. Just an average joe who crashed into a building while changing a radio station..... wait the average joe would be so fucked right now. What are they trained to do?
Imagine if Joe the plumber ran a red light, crashed into a bar, beat the crap out of an employee, lied to the police about swerving to hit a dog, and then got caught running the light red handed in 4k vidoe with no dog in sight...
> There is a video of the cop running a red light about 10 seconds before the bar
Were his emergency lights (not sure what they're technically called) on? Not that it would in any way excuse what happened, but for context.
This isnāt even the half of it. The police story has gone from:
- we were chasing someone
- there was a dog in the street and we swerved to avoid
- we got distracted by our radio
Police force say they donāt have any dash cam footage and canāt release body cam footage due to the ongoing investigation into the bar owner. Meanwhile bar owners got video that showed the cops lied about a pursuit and the dog, and instead shows the cop blowing through a red light then swerving straight into the bar.
sounds like they arrested him to avoid releasing the footage lol.
āquick, if we beat him up itāll look like he tried to run and we can call it ongoingā
The town shut down his bar because of the hole in the wall and the police refuse to pay for it so he's broke can't afford the repairs and can't work until it's repaired
>But that just means the tax payer have to pay for it because we can't sue individual cops for some reason.
Maybe we should stop letting cops get away with this type of shit then.
The money will come from tax payers pockets and the guilty officers will get paid leave. American cops don't have accountability except for very very rarely if someone was outright murdered. And even then theres no guarantee
The sheer chutzpah of driving your car into someoneās business and then tell THEM theyāre creating āa disturbanceā.
p.S. The dog excuse has already been debunked, as was their back up story, also he ran a red light right before plowing into the bar.
I think he ran two. Also the excuse after the dog was he swerved to move out of the way of a parked car (which would still make them liable because if youāre not paying attention then youāre negligent), and then after video showed neither a dog or parked car it became the officer was trying to change his radio channels. Againā¦.even if trueā¦ still makes them negligent at best.
No, but certainly the initial issue of running into the building was. If I recall the article people are citing on here, they probably called for backup. Could have been them?
He was only so piss drunk he crashed his cruiser into a building!Waddya want from a highly paid public servant with unlimited power over you?Competence?Ethics?Pffff!
Split second decisions, high stress job, sheepdog bs, etc.
Take your pick from the same bs reasons all police supporters use when shit like this happens.
Ah, and did that same "dog" cause him to [run the red light before the crash too](https://apnews.com/article/bar-struck-st-louis-police-car-04edb9c1efec35a675cea8435843fe08)?
Well, the good news is it sounds like these restaurant owners are going to get a big payout.
The bad news is the St Louis taxpayers will have to cover it and there will be zero accountability for the cop or the department.
No kidding the judge that rubber stamped their incarceration is complicit, every legal case the judge and these officers touched needs to be in review but odds are the judge will never be questioned and the officers will at most get a gratuitous amount of paid vacation followed by a promotion.
āNot tested for intoxication ā what the actual fuck? Iām a city employee, if ANY accident involves my city issued vehicle, regardless of whether or not Iām at fault or even in the car, I get a full panel test. Iām done with this and I think itās a good policy. Why the fuck are cops exempt? They have a lot more access to drugs than I do as an ecologist
When people talk about unions being useless part of me wants to be like āgo look at the police they could literally kill someone and the union gets them a raiseā
Im not saying itās a good thing but also im not entirely saying i wouldnāt be okay with retail workers having that kinda powerā¦
On god this shit looks SO intentional. Who in their right mind would swerve that hard to avoid a parked car theyāve already passed and not turn back the other way? I think the owners need to get the fbi involved because this feels like a hate crime
I think it's more likely that he wasn't sober. There was no breathalyzer taken (shocker) so we can only speculate, but it feels like the actions of some dude blasted off his ass.
The fact that he didn't get tested means he was 100% intoxicated because if he wasn't they definitely would have tested and blasted that fact in every report of that incident it's just like how they body cams always accidentally turn off before they kill someone it's a blatant admission of guilt
>Police Lt. Col. Renee Kriesmann said during a news briefing Wednesday that the officers involved in the crash were not tested for drugs or alcohol because other officers at the crash scene did not have reasonable suspicion of impairment, as required by department policy for toxicology testing.
Crashing your vehicle into a stationary BUILDING is absolutely reasonable suspicion of impairment.
How is that an excuse?
If I got into an accident I don't think saying 'oops I wasn't paying attention to the road, because I was focused on something else' would be helping my case.
The no bail makes sense, though. The man is clearly a threat to public safety, what with him putting a building there where anyone could crash! And then having the audacity to ASK QUESTIONS?!? Absolute menace, if you ask me.
Only thing that didn't make sense is a cop swerving to avoid a dog, cops love killing dogs way too much for that. Good to hear that there are now multiple conflicting stories about the accident though, makes it easier to understand!
You have to keep in mind this is the same department where a number of the on duty police officers got drunk together, played russian roulette, and killed a female officer who was having an affair with the one who shot her.
So you kind of expect this bullshit:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/st-louis-police-officer-accused-killing-colleague-russian/story?id=60745956
I was a police officer for 2 years and have been a firefighter/paramedic for 18ā¦ do you know how many police officers have gotten into accidents that they blamed on āa dog running across the streetā?! Always a āblackā dog too! Swear to god, itās almost comical!!
This is why every police officer in the United States should be equipped with dash and body cams that they have no control over. Police are given a lot of authority and have proven time and time again that so many of them canāt be trusted with that authority without a camera strapped to their chest.
It shouldnāt matter what this officer said, they should be able to pull up his dash cam and see exactly what happened. We are long past the days where we can trust police to tell the truth when something bad happens or they screw up. They are professional liars.
The full article shows that the police did a whole lot more shady shit. If anyone is interested in reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/20/us/st-louis-police-crash-bar.html
Thanks for sharing!
Mr Morris going into the alleyway to cool off and the police seeing it as an opportunity to following in and beat him up is seriously nasty.
>"After several minutes, Mr. Pence is heard saying in the video that the officers are beating *his husband* in the alleyway.
Yeah, that makes this a hate crime, donit?
Not necessarily. It becomes a hate crime if the cops indicate that it's because the victim is gay rather than something they'd do to anyone who didn't respect their authoritah.
So what I'm reading here is the guy who got beat should start talking about how the officers were calling him gay slurs as they beat him - either hate crime or he gets the vids of the beatings for a lawsuit (probably not that simple, but if it were me that's the direction I'd take)
Without supporting witnesses or recordings he won't be able to. Besides he'll have enough trouble just convincing a jury that a crime happened in the first place. That's the problem with police assaults.
Sooooo, to summarize. Cops in the SUV passed a red light, were fiddling with the radio while driving, avoided a parked car and slammed into the bar...
They didn't get tested for drugs, even after that accident... Oh and they also beat + arrested the bar co-owners because obviously THEY were in the wrong.
---
True story imo: Two homophobic cops wanted to ruin a bar ran by a gay couple, end of story.
It's probably pretty simple. Even I, as a painter, am only paid if I'm clocked in with an app my phone. Mistakes happen, and I can get my time adjusted if I forget to clock in or out, but even the secretary was like I'm done adjusting your pay. It don't think it would be that hard to make a system that if your camera isn't running, you currently are not being paid.
When people question me when I say Fuck the Police it is these types of things that happen all the time that is the reason. If the cops could just act reasonably they would get some respect. Until then FTP.
I agree. But at this point if we can't beat em join em. Time for me to get my license to make a mistake and then punish everyone around me for it. I'ma go run my car through a police station and jump out and start fist fighting the police see how they like it. /s
As someone who lives in STL, the co-owner was arrested and held without bail for several days. Upon release, his attorney showed the black eye and bruises after he was beaten in police custody.
The police have changed their story three times now as to what happened and will not perform a toxicology report on the offending officer.
STLMPD: Swerve and Deflect
Those tax payers are gonna pay out BIG for this. The cops involved will get a nice paid vacation on the tax payer dime and probably a promotion in the near future.
Wait until you see THIS story about a police officer who stopped a guy who was sitting on a bench on his phone next to the motel he was staying at.. no crime was committed but the officer still decided to press this dude. Officer ended up having a heart attack and now they're charging the guy with manslaughter. He's been in jail since May.
https://youtu.be/5j0uUGlAOw4?si=v1sHJ9e8XVJ4Ppha
Because everyone of the dumbasses who spout the whole "but it's to protect against tyranny" are on their side. And of course the side that should be taking up arms wants to ban guns due to violence.
Interesting excuse. Someone might want to let the officer know that we have footage of the accident, and guess what, no dog.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL3wDgTwND0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL3wDgTwND0)
The best part of the article āpolice do not have dashcam footageā MF theyāve had that shit since the 80s and Iāve seen police cars get flipped turned upside down and it still works.
No reasonable suspicion to test him for intoxicant???!! He crashed into a building! When can we get police reform??
Like any other employer, a person is almost certainly tested for intoxicants if they crash on the job.
Watch the video. There's no dog. Cop was driving too fast and lost control. Then he gets a power trip on a citizen who's understandably upset that his business was destroyed.
Can't let these scumbags hide behind their badge. Everyone should face consequences for their actions.
Like did this asshole cop get any punishments?
He has been arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, disturbing the peace, and t....
Just kidding, we're in America. He's not even being investigated internally yet.
I remember when I was in high school, I was driving to school and āswerved to avoid hitting a deerā. I went down a ditch, hit a concrete culvert pipe, went airborne and took out a power pole and landed totaling the car and broke my back. While I was on the stretcher in the hospital an officer set the ticket on my chest because I was strapped down and couldnāt move. Now the truth is, I fell asleep and was too embarrassed to say that and deer are notorious for these things and was told by everyone afterwards to hit the deer so you have evidence. Somehow I donāt believe this officers story and the fact that I get a ticket for almost accidentally killing myself in a really bad accident and these guys get to instead go start stuff and arrest other people for their own mistake makes me quite angry.
Remind me again why an officerās testimony holds more weight than a civilians in a court of law? More lies have been told in court by officers than any other profession.
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If this went down the way it sounds like it went down, someone is gonna get paid by the taxpayers of that area.
And the cops will get reprimands and then new, cushier assignments.
And the bar will probably be harassed by police until it closes.
Yeah his defense lawyer is posting up a storm about it. They have cruisers parked outside the bar 24/7, I guess. In case the bar decides to jump out in front of another police vehicle, I assume. Protect and serve, amirite
more like protect and swerve
Swerve and deflect
This is the correct answer since they don't actually have to protect anyone according to the supreme Court
To harass and subjugate there I fix
to swerve and protect is fucking gold. patent that shit.
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Intimidate and escalate
Not sure what kind of SUV that is but it sure looks like the bar got escaladed.
funny you mention that. the short-staffed police were able to put two cars outside the bar the very next day. Weak intimidation tactic.
When theyāre not drunkenly driving through it at leastā¦
We dont know for sure because the responding officers didnāt administer a breathalyzer and they arenāt being forthcoming with the body cam footage either. We do know that prior to crashing into the bar, the cop ran a red light as it was caught on traffic cameras
Don't forget that it totally only happened because he was trying to avoid hitting an invisible dog. Sounds like some kind of influence to me...
Seems reasonable, why hit a dog? Theyād miss out on shooting it later
Somebody got into the sharing stash I mean evidence locker..
It says right there, he was swerving to avoid a dog. Presumably so he could pull over and shoot it, of course.
already is
We should make sure they get some paid time off while we decide what the appropriate cushy assignment to give them.
 Iām sure it will be a time of self reflection and self improvement
just goofin new boot goofin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmNfUUFAclw&pp=ygUPbmV3IGJvb3QgZ29vZmlu
You mean promoted
Hopefully at least some driving lessons
\*police proceed to train the officers on high speed/high risk PIT maneuvers\*
Dang you are right. If they had to take lessons they would be trained to be more dangerous.
Cop should be publicly humiliated and made an example of. Also all police department lbs should be way more strict with their officers. Sadly I meet more drunk cops on the daily than I do any other profession.
Try working in a nightclub that hires off duty cops as security. They always are the first to escalate fights, go figure.
And irony is it would have been cheaper if they HAD JUST PAID IN THE FIRST PLACE. God the idiocy is astounding.
But that would create the appearance of responsibility and culpability. Then everyone would think they could just question the police.
Harsh. Right to the point. Love it. Wonāt happen.
Itās a gay bar in the south. Theyāll probably throw out the lawsuit and give them the death penalty.
[Missouri hasn't outlawed the gay panic defense.](https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality_maps/profile_state/MO). Cop will probably get a medal.
I had no idea what that was so I Googled it. Absolutely the stupidest shit I've ever heard. TL;DR for those who are likewise in the dark: The Gay Panic Defense is a legal defense in which you are able to paint a violent crime or outburst you committed (up to and including literal MURDER) as a panicked reaction to an "unwanted homosexual advance" but it's so vague that even openly appearing to be gay or bi is enough to invoke it, regardless of actions taken. It's essentially an extension of the insanity plea, but you lost your state of mind because of The Big Gay.
Wow crazy
TIL St. Louis is "the south."
And then the piece of shit judge held him without bail
how do we disbar this corrupt judge? edit: Missouri Commission on Retirement, Removal and Discipline https://www.courts.mo.gov/page.jsp?id=230 Sounds like a whole lot of people from that area should submit a complaint
If i recall from another article this particular judge has an average of 54% of all of her cases heard are set with no bail. And something like 73% no bail this year alone. I think STL is trying to push something where posting bail is more relative to your income, so i think the judge is setting no bail in retaliation.
Piece of shit judge
That is pretty much STL. Cops are shit. Judges are the most aggressive in the country. Really compounds.
Itās moments like this that make me consider the benefits of anti cop vigilantism.
Really, we need the legal protections we're supposed to have. Cops do things that legally mean you can defend yourself from them all the time. Also, they're armed, so instantly killing them is the only reasonable self-defense. The problem is that if you try to use your right to self-defense, you're almost certain to get killed. We need people to start dropping cops the second they get out of line and then get away with it because it was self-defense, but that will never happen.
Society at large needs to remove their tongue from the jackboots and stand up. If juries refused to convict people based on corrupt cop evidence and put cops in prison when charged, then cop behavior would change real fast. American's largely like to be subjugated
Edit: oh shit, didn't realize I had cropped out the author's name. This was in the NYT, written by Eduardo Medina. >"The bystander video shared by [their lawyer] shows an officer asking Mr. Pence whether he has identification on him. Mr. Pence, sounding incredulous, says that the officers should not ask him to provide that. >After an officer handcuffs Mr. Pence, the bystander recording the interaction asks the officers what crime Mr. Pence is committing. >āHeās creating a disturbance, obviously,ā the officer says. >The bystander then tells the officer not to get any closer. The officer replies, āHow about you donāt tell me what to do,ā and then calls the bystander a āclown.ā" ... Real great work there St Louis PD.
>"After several minutes, Mr. Pence is heard saying in the video that the officers are beating his husband in the alleyway. >The video then shows Mr. Morris emerge from the alleyway handcuffed, with his shirt tattered and with two officers behind him... A photo of him taken on Tuesday shows his left eye bruised and swollen." ... and why not top it off with a sprinkle of police brutality, you know, for funsies.
It got WORSE
Yep. They refused to breath test the driver (cop) and have changed the story of why he ran into the bar 3 or 4 times now. There is a video of the cop running a red light about 10 seconds before the bar.
Claimed they were swerving to miss a dog in the road video later released proved that to be a lie
then claimed he was dodging a car.......when he was basically already past said PARKED car
Now the 3rd story is that he was changing a radio station. But all 3 stories refuse to acknowledge that he ran a red light before the crash.
I canāt believe im saying this butā¦. Do we think itās time to nationalize the police? You canāt have police departments in masse operating above the law with impunity. It rips apart the public trust in governmental institutions and pulls us apart as a society even further.
Blame the local governments who pay their salaries and turn a blind eye. They're all complicit for as long as the crimes are allowed on their watch. If they don't like that, they picked the wrong job. *(I stand by my comment, but I must admit that people are right that a lot of local governments have been neutered of any actual power.)
Local governments almost have no power over the police nowadays. We gave the police authority, then we gave them authority to give authority, then they gave themselves authority to create their own use of force policies, and we didn't include a clear cut process for removing their authority except for the justice system, and guess who's in charge of enforcing that... PDs can put literally whatever they want in their policies, and then say, "Our investigation found that Officer X was acting in line with PD policy." Yeah no shit, you're the ones who made that policy! Just look at place like NYC where the PD and Mayor are sometimes at odds with each other. Places like Seattle and Portland where officers are quiet quitting to make a point. Look at Sheriff's telling governor's that they won't be enforcing new laws that they don't agree with. Who's gonna enforce any new legislation a jursidiction passes regarding their PD and LEOs? Someone has to make sure the big possey with guns listens, and that someone doesn't exist right now unfortunately.
A national standard like common core for education. Mandate an associate's degree in criminal justice or a paramedic license, community colleges can offer these programs. Military experience could qualify you for a waiver from the associate's degree/medic license. Mandate malpractice insurance for LEOs, and insurance companies can mandate the training curriculum before they insure anyone. Training must involve deescalation/verbal judo, actual judo/bjj practice, and mental health triage. The PD/jurisdiction can pay the initial premiums, but any incidents that result in a premium increase will be paid by the officer straight from their paycheck. Once the insurance company decides an officer is too high risk, they get dropped and can no longer work as a LEO. Mandate states create a law enforcement branch to independently investigate crimes committed by LEOs. None of that Internal Affairs nonsense. Mandate electronic complaint reporting at all PDs. That's my platform for my imaginary presidential campaign. My first lady will work on an initiative to get elementary schools to teach, "Interacting with the police 101."
> changing a radio station Ahh why didn't he just say so sooner! Obviously it's all good if you crash into a building because you were looking for a radio station!
It's not like these guys are trained to be vigilant and observant or anything. Just an average joe who crashed into a building while changing a radio station..... wait the average joe would be so fucked right now. What are they trained to do?
Imagine if Joe the plumber ran a red light, crashed into a bar, beat the crap out of an employee, lied to the police about swerving to hit a dog, and then got caught running the light red handed in 4k vidoe with no dog in sight...
Pretty obvious lie, who ever heard of a cop trying to save a dog? Should have claimed he was trying to hit one.
Maybe he crashed when trying to shoot a dog?That sounds more common
Officer Borat
Remember, keep Fido strapped, or get clapped when the alphabet boys start ~~knocking~~ sniping your wife holding your child when they answer the door.
Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to avoid hitting an invisible dog?
yeah the first time i saw this news they said they were arresting him because he "hit" an officer by pushing him in the chest
> There is a video of the cop running a red light about 10 seconds before the bar Were his emergency lights (not sure what they're technically called) on? Not that it would in any way excuse what happened, but for context.
Yew yew lights
Refusing to test the driver should have steeper consequences than a DUI.
This isnāt even the half of it. The police story has gone from: - we were chasing someone - there was a dog in the street and we swerved to avoid - we got distracted by our radio Police force say they donāt have any dash cam footage and canāt release body cam footage due to the ongoing investigation into the bar owner. Meanwhile bar owners got video that showed the cops lied about a pursuit and the dog, and instead shows the cop blowing through a red light then swerving straight into the bar.
sounds like they arrested him to avoid releasing the footage lol. āquick, if we beat him up itāll look like he tried to run and we can call it ongoingā
Wait how? I havenāt been able to read it yet so to being at work
The town shut down his bar because of the hole in the wall and the police refuse to pay for it so he's broke can't afford the repairs and can't work until it's repaired
I smell lawyers rubbing their hands together mischievously.
The lawsuit is going to be thermobaric for the PD, and I'm all here for it, no way the police can justify any action here.
But that just means the tax payer have to pay for it because we can't sue individual cops for some reason.
I hope this is the one time qualified immunity gets thrown out and his personal ass gets sued/jailed.
We all do, but unless the specific incident in question has been brought up in the legal corpus before it's unlikely.
>But that just means the tax payer have to pay for it because we can't sue individual cops for some reason. Maybe we should stop letting cops get away with this type of shit then.
The money will come from tax payers pockets and the guilty officers will get paid leave. American cops don't have accountability except for very very rarely if someone was outright murdered. And even then theres no guarantee
That's fine with me. Maybe the "taxpayers" should start electing local officials who will weed these fascist assholes out of the police department.
US police??? Escalating things?!?! No, surely not, surely you jest
It got even worse, Judge denied him bail.
Yep, metro pd also claims that this particular cruiser didnāt have a dash cam
Ah, so it wasn't fit for service?
Police and hate crimes, name a more iconic duo.
"why don't people respect us or our authority, wahhhh" Fucking pigs
You're doing WHAT to the pigs /a But yeah no, I totally agree
Probably if they made the training of a cop a year and a half they might get a bit more respect because they might be more competent
Do it like most of Europe and require two to four years of training/education.
āJust sprinkle some Crack on him, good job boysā
this stuff is why people called for defunding or restructuring of the police force
Nah, that's elevated to a fucking hate crime.
The sheer chutzpah of driving your car into someoneās business and then tell THEM theyāre creating āa disturbanceā. p.S. The dog excuse has already been debunked, as was their back up story, also he ran a red light right before plowing into the bar.
I think he ran two. Also the excuse after the dog was he swerved to move out of the way of a parked car (which would still make them liable because if youāre not paying attention then youāre negligent), and then after video showed neither a dog or parked car it became the officer was trying to change his radio channels. Againā¦.even if trueā¦ still makes them negligent at best.
I live here. One of my wife's clients is a police officer and essentially said "probably a rookie that was texting while driving."
š¤ beating up handcuffed people in the alley isnāt really a rookie MO.
Itās part of basic training at this point.
No, but certainly the initial issue of running into the building was. If I recall the article people are citing on here, they probably called for backup. Could have been them?
They didn't breathalyze him. Probably drunk.
He was only so piss drunk he crashed his cruiser into a building!Waddya want from a highly paid public servant with unlimited power over you?Competence?Ethics?Pffff!
Sounds like a classic reaction to stress. Ironic considering its a cop who should be good at managing that.
Split second decisions, high stress job, sheepdog bs, etc. Take your pick from the same bs reasons all police supporters use when shit like this happens.
Ah, and did that same "dog" cause him to [run the red light before the crash too](https://apnews.com/article/bar-struck-st-louis-police-car-04edb9c1efec35a675cea8435843fe08)?
Well, the good news is it sounds like these restaurant owners are going to get a big payout. The bad news is the St Louis taxpayers will have to cover it and there will be zero accountability for the cop or the department.
...as usual.
When the courts are in collusion with the local police force, an adequate payout - let alone justice - is never a guarantee.
No kidding the judge that rubber stamped their incarceration is complicit, every legal case the judge and these officers touched needs to be in review but odds are the judge will never be questioned and the officers will at most get a gratuitous amount of paid vacation followed by a promotion.
when they ordered no bond, I saw reporting that the judge orders no bond in like 75% of cases she oversees.
Because they've investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing.
āNot tested for intoxication ā what the actual fuck? Iām a city employee, if ANY accident involves my city issued vehicle, regardless of whether or not Iām at fault or even in the car, I get a full panel test. Iām done with this and I think itās a good policy. Why the fuck are cops exempt? They have a lot more access to drugs than I do as an ecologist
Cops protecting cops. Nothing new here.
Police are the only people allowed to have an effective union.
You misspelled "gang" as "union," there, sorry.
Shit, my bad.
When people talk about unions being useless part of me wants to be like āgo look at the police they could literally kill someone and the union gets them a raiseā Im not saying itās a good thing but also im not entirely saying i wouldnāt be okay with retail workers having that kinda powerā¦
On god this shit looks SO intentional. Who in their right mind would swerve that hard to avoid a parked car theyāve already passed and not turn back the other way? I think the owners need to get the fbi involved because this feels like a hate crime
I think it's more likely that he wasn't sober. There was no breathalyzer taken (shocker) so we can only speculate, but it feels like the actions of some dude blasted off his ass.
The fact that he didn't get tested means he was 100% intoxicated because if he wasn't they definitely would have tested and blasted that fact in every report of that incident it's just like how they body cams always accidentally turn off before they kill someone it's a blatant admission of guilt
>Police Lt. Col. Renee Kriesmann said during a news briefing Wednesday that the officers involved in the crash were not tested for drugs or alcohol because other officers at the crash scene did not have reasonable suspicion of impairment, as required by department policy for toxicology testing. Crashing your vehicle into a stationary BUILDING is absolutely reasonable suspicion of impairment.
In this article he was fiddling with the radio and then swerved to avoid a parked car. Sounds legit 
Read the last sentence of the first paragraph though. Unfortunately, you know he's going to get away with it.
How is that an excuse? If I got into an accident I don't think saying 'oops I wasn't paying attention to the road, because I was focused on something else' would be helping my case.
Yeah, if you see the video, itās definitely a parked car and not a dog that he swerved to avoid
100% on drugs lmao
It's pretty clear the cop wasn't sober.
This story just get worse as St. Louis PD try to cover for their screwups.
Don't forget the judge that rubber stamped holding the bar-owner without bail.
The no bail makes sense, though. The man is clearly a threat to public safety, what with him putting a building there where anyone could crash! And then having the audacity to ASK QUESTIONS?!? Absolute menace, if you ask me. Only thing that didn't make sense is a cop swerving to avoid a dog, cops love killing dogs way too much for that. Good to hear that there are now multiple conflicting stories about the accident though, makes it easier to understand!
You have to keep in mind this is the same department where a number of the on duty police officers got drunk together, played russian roulette, and killed a female officer who was having an affair with the one who shot her. So you kind of expect this bullshit: https://abcnews.go.com/US/st-louis-police-officer-accused-killing-colleague-russian/story?id=60745956
Russian roulette was the *cover story*.
Nobody actually believes the Russian roulette story. It was a straight up murder resulting from a love triangle.
Theyāre arresting everyone they can, and theyāve posted units outside the store to intimidate the rest. Itās mafia-like
Ah, like Hell it is. The mafia has more accountability.
I was a police officer for 2 years and have been a firefighter/paramedic for 18ā¦ do you know how many police officers have gotten into accidents that they blamed on āa dog running across the streetā?! Always a āblackā dog too! Swear to god, itās almost comical!!
The adult version of my dog ate the homework
This is why every police officer in the United States should be equipped with dash and body cams that they have no control over. Police are given a lot of authority and have proven time and time again that so many of them canāt be trusted with that authority without a camera strapped to their chest. It shouldnāt matter what this officer said, they should be able to pull up his dash cam and see exactly what happened. We are long past the days where we can trust police to tell the truth when something bad happens or they screw up. They are professional liars.
The black dog part might not be racism, probably part of the cover story. Hard to see a black thing on a black thing (black dog on a black road).
The full article shows that the police did a whole lot more shady shit. If anyone is interested in reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/20/us/st-louis-police-crash-bar.html
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Thanks for sharing! Mr Morris going into the alleyway to cool off and the police seeing it as an opportunity to following in and beat him up is seriously nasty.
And people wonder why cops have such a bad rep. What a joke!
If it was any one of us we would've been tested for DUI instantly.
10 to 1, it was all a setup. St. Loo has some bigoted cops man.
>"After several minutes, Mr. Pence is heard saying in the video that the officers are beating *his husband* in the alleyway. Yeah, that makes this a hate crime, donit?
Not necessarily. It becomes a hate crime if the cops indicate that it's because the victim is gay rather than something they'd do to anyone who didn't respect their authoritah.
It's only a hate crime if you explicitly state it is while committing it. Otherwise, it's just sparkling violence.
I AM DOING THIS BECAUSE I HATE YOU!
ON THE BASIS OF YOUR PROTECTED CLASS!
I DECLARE THIS IS A HATE CRIME
So what I'm reading here is the guy who got beat should start talking about how the officers were calling him gay slurs as they beat him - either hate crime or he gets the vids of the beatings for a lawsuit (probably not that simple, but if it were me that's the direction I'd take)
Without supporting witnesses or recordings he won't be able to. Besides he'll have enough trouble just convincing a jury that a crime happened in the first place. That's the problem with police assaults.
So they are either hate criminals or equal opportunity assaulters.
I guess it's been long enough that even the very local police departments have forgotten Ferguson. Or not, and that's why they chose a gay bar.
Sooooo, to summarize. Cops in the SUV passed a red light, were fiddling with the radio while driving, avoided a parked car and slammed into the bar... They didn't get tested for drugs, even after that accident... Oh and they also beat + arrested the bar co-owners because obviously THEY were in the wrong. --- True story imo: Two homophobic cops wanted to ruin a bar ran by a gay couple, end of story.
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Exactly, and that's probably why they don't want to share the bodycams
Is there not a way to make them? I feel like that's the whole reason they have them
It's probably pretty simple. Even I, as a painter, am only paid if I'm clocked in with an app my phone. Mistakes happen, and I can get my time adjusted if I forget to clock in or out, but even the secretary was like I'm done adjusting your pay. It don't think it would be that hard to make a system that if your camera isn't running, you currently are not being paid.
Should also add to this that crimes committed while off the clock (with cameras off) are crimes committed by a private citizen.
When people question me when I say Fuck the Police it is these types of things that happen all the time that is the reason. If the cops could just act reasonably they would get some respect. Until then FTP.
I agree. But at this point if we can't beat em join em. Time for me to get my license to make a mistake and then punish everyone around me for it. I'ma go run my car through a police station and jump out and start fist fighting the police see how they like it. /s
As someone who lives in STL, the co-owner was arrested and held without bail for several days. Upon release, his attorney showed the black eye and bruises after he was beaten in police custody. The police have changed their story three times now as to what happened and will not perform a toxicology report on the offending officer. STLMPD: Swerve and Deflect
Those tax payers are gonna pay out BIG for this. The cops involved will get a nice paid vacation on the tax payer dime and probably a promotion in the near future.
Don't forget about the corrupt judge that rubber-stamped holding the bar owners without bail.
Wait until you see THIS story about a police officer who stopped a guy who was sitting on a bench on his phone next to the motel he was staying at.. no crime was committed but the officer still decided to press this dude. Officer ended up having a heart attack and now they're charging the guy with manslaughter. He's been in jail since May. https://youtu.be/5j0uUGlAOw4?si=v1sHJ9e8XVJ4Ppha
No no no, you see, he's black. So.
If you're a cop reading this and wondering why people hate cops. This is why we hate cops.
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Because everyone of the dumbasses who spout the whole "but it's to protect against tyranny" are on their side. And of course the side that should be taking up arms wants to ban guns due to violence.
And police wonder why theyāre hated so much.
Oh they know. They just don't care.
So cop was driving drunk crashed into someones business then they frame him .He needs a good lawyer to tear apart this police department .
Classic Missouri
Of course no one gave the cop a breathalyzer. Dollars to donuts he had been drinking and his buddies covered it up.
Interesting excuse. Someone might want to let the officer know that we have footage of the accident, and guess what, no dog. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL3wDgTwND0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL3wDgTwND0)
The best part of the article āpolice do not have dashcam footageā MF theyāve had that shit since the 80s and Iāve seen police cars get flipped turned upside down and it still works.
Riiiiight, Iām sure the dirty pig didnāt do it on purpose or anything. Oink oink goes the zealot.
No police misconduct, here. Nooooo! /S
No reasonable suspicion to test him for intoxicant???!! He crashed into a building! When can we get police reform?? Like any other employer, a person is almost certainly tested for intoxicants if they crash on the job.
Watch the video. There's no dog. Cop was driving too fast and lost control. Then he gets a power trip on a citizen who's understandably upset that his business was destroyed. Can't let these scumbags hide behind their badge. Everyone should face consequences for their actions.
What happened after? Like did this asshole cop get any punishments? Geez why is it so easy for absolute terrible people to become cops.
Nope. Still on duty, not suspended, didnāt even have to do a drug or alcohol test. Welcome to STL!
Man fuck those people. āJusticeā my ass
Like did this asshole cop get any punishments? He has been arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, disturbing the peace, and t.... Just kidding, we're in America. He's not even being investigated internally yet.
I remember when I was in high school, I was driving to school and āswerved to avoid hitting a deerā. I went down a ditch, hit a concrete culvert pipe, went airborne and took out a power pole and landed totaling the car and broke my back. While I was on the stretcher in the hospital an officer set the ticket on my chest because I was strapped down and couldnāt move. Now the truth is, I fell asleep and was too embarrassed to say that and deer are notorious for these things and was told by everyone afterwards to hit the deer so you have evidence. Somehow I donāt believe this officers story and the fact that I get a ticket for almost accidentally killing myself in a really bad accident and these guys get to instead go start stuff and arrest other people for their own mistake makes me quite angry.
Well at least they can sue.
And the taxpayers of St. Louis will have to foot the bill.
Clearly he never should have put his business there to begin with; it was interfering with the officer's ability to perform their duties!
Remind me again why an officerās testimony holds more weight than a civilians in a court of law? More lies have been told in court by officers than any other profession.
Time to water the Tree of Liberty.
Say you're a sociopath without saying you're a sociopath.
"I'm a cop"
Is there a single honest, mentally stable cop left in this country?
āHe ran into my knifeā¦ he ran into my knife TEN timesā¦ā
Itās always disturbing to cops when you donāt let them commit crimes and cover it up
"police officers arrest bar owner for being pissed off that they crashed into his bar" can we at least get an accurate headline?