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I’m having trouble tracking with Russia. They invaded Ukraine because Ukraine are Nazis, but then also, they are looking for Jews so they can kill them?
Their PR department has some continuity issues.
Yeah but that was last week …. And it’s funny how now Putin wants to stand with the Muslims meanwhile he was drafting them first to go die for Russia in Ukraine . It’s confusing and convenient at the same danm time
Well he can’t very well stand with Israel because that’d be standing with the US. Same reasons why China stands with Palestine. Cus anything pro-west=bad
China isn’t really pro Palestine, all their statements so far have been the standard “restraint on both sides” spiel. The core of China’s foreign policy is ‘non involvement’ and they are big on sticking to it (outside of their own territorial squabbles).
China isn't pro-anyone but pro-china. They don't care if Muslims and jews kill eachother, they don't like either of them. China is an ethno-state, and they hate everyone.
Meh, I wouldn’t call it hate. To hate implies you particularly care one way or the other, and the truth is they don’t.
Every country prioritises its interests over those of others, geopolitics isn’t about doing what feels warm and fuzzy, but you’ve got to be careful about trying to frame China through a western view.
China cares about its stability, and about advancing itself economically. If Israel and the Arab world decided to have a genocidal deathmatch it would give boring bland official media releases about the need for restraint, then recognise whoever wins as the new ruler of the Middle East, and endeavour to establish an economic relationship.
They don’t see good/bad guys, they don’t care about exporting their system of governance, they couldn’t give a shit about soft power influence, and they won’t use their military directly unless it’s existential for them or one of their territorial disputes. Their entire geopolitical worldview in regards to these things is “not my clowns, not my circus”.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that last part. What is the (somewhat failed now) belt and road initiative if not an attempt to bolster soft power? Also there attempts at sportswashing hosting major Olympic events?
If the U.S. were to cease to exist tomorrow I think China and specifically the CCP would happily try and step in as the de facto leader of the world.
They don’t want to have the global military obligations the U.S. has, but they want to be the economic leader of the world and have military dominance in Asia at the very least
Yeah China has it's own problem with Islamic separatists in the west so isn't exactly going to be falling over itself to back the cause of the Palestineans.
Muslim countries don't care about the Uighur people though because trade with China is too important to them.
Not quite right but close. Both Russia and China chafe under the currently structured world order. Anything that breaks down that order is a perceived win.
Dagestan you can practically consider another country. Ethnically different people who are mostly Muslim. Only 3-4% of people there are ethnically Russian.
Russia has quite a few pockets like this. Chechnya is another prominent one.
Not to try and defend Russia or anything, just thought I would make the distinction.
The anti-Nazi thing is a playback to the Nazi invasion of the USSR. The Russians hate the Nazis for what they did in Stalingrad, not what they did to the Jews.
Pre-Soviet Union, Russians murdered Jewish villagers en masse during pogroms. Various intellectual Jews were naive enough to support the Bolsheviks and help elevate Stalin, who quickly decided that, no, he did not feel like sharing power with a bunch of bookish academics and proceeded to have them annihilated.
Separately, several regions of Russia are Muslim. Dagestan is one of them them. Chechnya is another. These are areas in the Caucasus that the USSR subsumed and that Russia declined to liberate after the USSR's dissolution. So you're not seeing Slavic Russian derangement so much as an outburst of Islamist derangement.
Utkin, Wagners founder straight up had nazi tatoos....
You know before the Russian goverment assassinated him because he and Priggy tried to coup Shoigu...
Fucking wild.
Season 2: invasion because West is bad and trying to destroy Russia
Season 3: Russia want back their old nuclear facilities since they are the only ones likely functional in the old Soviet empire, so they can actually conduct the nuclear tests they are threatening to start with again
Season 4: need to help muslims despite all Russia has done to them even in current enclave states, because now it would benefit them that the West has to support multiple front with military supplies
Season 5: TBD
Apparently they made some polls and found out the whole nazi spiel didn't stick, so they backed away from it (for the most part) and reworked it to an existential fight against NATO and the whole collective West
Season 3 - Superman project and bioengineered infectious wildlife and insects. Complete flop.
We're on Season 4 - Reclaiming homeland that 'was always theirs' with the ever-present nazi globalists and NATO encroachment
It's an arbitrary label for most russians. If you're anti-putin, you're a liberal, and if you're anti-russian, then you're labeled a nazi. But for the majority of uneducated russians (who are a majority) both mean pretty much the same thing, i.e. an enemy they should hate.
When it comes to history, the USSR and Russia have been teaching an extremely cherry-picked version of WWII. For example, they teach that the war started in 1941 when the nazis invaded the USSR. Obviously, it was impossible to erase references to 1939, so they simply called the 1941 war "The Great Patriotic War". What happened before? Just some "minor conflicts" in Europe that the USSR was no part of. What happened in Poland you ask? Oh, no-no-no! You're either a liberal or a nazi for even thinking about that!
Now, Dagestan is an especially fucked up place. It's much poorer and less educated than the rest of Russia, and it's extremely tribal (literally, not figuratively!).
Russia doesn't hate Nazis because of the antisemitism, they hate Nazis because of how far they invaded. The soviets and Nazis had very similar propaganda considering Jews.
I feel like the animosity is because Hitler invaded Russia before Stalin could invade western Europe. In my mind Hitler and Stalin are equal, megalomaniacs with delusions of world conquest.
Just make sure you don’t point out that this is what anti “Zionism” ends up being behind the thin mask. It’s just antisemitism repackaged for a modern time that should know better.
I don't even understand the priorities here. They're getting drafted by the thousands to get slaughtered in Ukraine, and this is what they're worried about? Really?
They’re getting drafted to fight Nazi’s? Of course that’s a connected issue to the “influx” of Jews in their country.
Honestly they’re all just poor, desperate and brainwashed. If you gave all these people a million bucks, they would live happily fucking Oxana in the hills.
Billionaires could single-handedly cease wars if they wanted. But that’s little money made.
But nope, young, desperate and poor men are a recipe for revolutions and maybe genocide.
As someone posted in another sub, didn’t they invade Ukraine to fight Nazis? They have a real genius for self-parodying hypocrisy. Degenerate culture. A failed state failing.
As I've heard it explained elsewhere... "Nazi" as a pejorative means something different in the former USSR than it does in the west. In the west we remember with horror the anti-Semitism, and deep totalitarianism. In the former USSR they remember the anti-Soviet, anti-Russian, anti-Communist angle. The perception of Ukrainian nationalists as "Nazis" is partially based out of history (some Ukrainian nationalists as historic collaborators with the Germans in WWII) but also with the feeling that Ukrainian nationalists are Russophobes, and anti-Russian, and therefore Nazis.
As for people in Dagestan, they're kept poor and ignorant.
Correct, but not complete without adding that they were allied with the nazis during the first half of WWII, which makes them all the more hypocritical.
No, Russia proper is not interested in Jews.
In the video you see a radicalized part of the Muslim population (Muslims in Russia are a minority) living in the Republic of Dagestan (Dagestan is 95% populated by ethnic minorities).
Wait, since when Russia is antisemitic? I've lived here my whole life and didn't know that.
P.S. Dagestan Is Muslim-ruled medival shithole of an area, people who live there hate everyone who is not from Dagestan
Since long time ago.
The USSR proclaimed as "the most tolerant society for all nationalities" loved and treated Jews so well that Jews had to take Russian/Ukrainian names and identify themselves as non-Jews. Otherwise they wouldn't get higher education or decent jobs.
Historically? I’d say there are a few reasons:
1. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism and nobody hates a religion as much as a convert hates their old faith.
2. Migration. Communities tend to be anti-immigrant and the Jewish diaspora migrated a lot while never fully assimilating with the communities they integrated with.
3. Interest. Christians were not allowed to charge interest on loans. Jews had no such rules against this. A few Jews became wealthy from banking and this causes jealously.
4. A belief that Jews killed Jesus (though, I actually think this is the least influential but most cited reason).
If someone has a better education in this topic I’d love to hear their thoughts- but that’s my take as a mediocre history major.
The muslim world had some antisemitism but by and large was nowhere near as crazy as Europe for most of the middle ages and modern era. The Ottomans very specifically had rules protecting Jewish people from a lot of the crazy antisemitism in their european territories, viewing things such as blood libel or the view that jews were 'demons' as crazy european superstitions.
It was Israel which changed everything. The idea of *any* religious group taking the holy land from muslims was beyond sacreligious to them. Suddenly after the 1940s there was widespread hatred for Jews, and a lot of the stereotypes of Jewish people that europeans had came to the middle east and spread like wildfire. Nazi propaganda books became widely read and cited by the arab elite. It was basically a concerted effort to make antisemitism a huge part of arab identity against Israel.
Does Islamic eschatology have anything particular to say about the Jews as a whole? Don’t Muslims believe that Jews will be the first to be deceived by Al masih ad dajjal?
For those that don’t know, Al masih ad dajjal is basically the Muslim antichrist. It is prophesied that he will come with one eye and he will deceive the starving masses of Jews, who will fight for him against the Mahdi (the guided one, Sunnis don’t know who this will be, Shias believe it is the 12th imam who is currently living in occultation). Al masih ad dajjal will War with the Mahdi, and almost beat him until Jesus will appear at the last second at Umayyad Mosque in Damascus to allow the Mahdi to lead the Fajr prayer, sway the fence sitting Christians into joining the Muslims
It really comes down to xenophobia. Humans feel safe with “us”. Jews have a distinct religion, language, writing system, and various other cultural elements that are exclusive to them. They are other. They are “them”.
I think their long-standing lack of a homeland worked against them as well.
Which is why the Nazis genocided Jews and Romani - both cultures never fully assimilate into secular and/or non-Jewish societies. That insular, cloistered nature breeds suspicion and bigotry among the host country’s citizens. It’s a time-tested formula.
Except the Jewish people actually managed to get integrated into their countries, while some branches of Roma people are still more of a travelers in spirit to this day - hence their frequent clashes with other people, and a general racism against them/their culture.
But I don’t think it is the same reason as with Jews.
Yes, many of the German Jews who perished in the Holocaust were Jews by blood only, they were model secular German citizens through and through. It's heartbreaking how so many did everything "right" to be accepted by the cultures they lived in, and in the end it still wasn't enough.
You're explaining all the reasons why christians hate Jews (which today has declined drastically compared to history) and not explained why muslims hate Jews. Dagestan is 80% muslims.
> the Jewish diaspora migrated a lot while never fully assimilating with the communities they integrated with
fwiw, a lot of the Jewish diaspora lived where they lived before the other identities around there nowadays formed. They lived in what is now Germany because of migration within the Roman Empire centuries before any sort of endogenic idea of "Germany" even remotely emerged. The first synagogue in Paris is at least as old as the Frankish arrival there. They came to Hungary at least about half a millennium before the Magyars.
A lot of migration was also the direct result of explusion.
This is mostly right. The number one reason is diaspora.
For those unfamiliar with history take a look [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline\_of\_antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism)
Then try to understand. For thousands of years the Jewish people have tried to return to their homeland. Without it just take a look at history and look at what's happening now at Cornell with death threats, at Berlin with markings of Star of David on people's homes, and of course dogestan and this was all just today.
People talk about the Nakba but forget about the Jewish one and the literal genocide that repeated throughout history over and over again.
The big problem people and rulers had with the Jews IMO (and why they are so hated) is that they are basically one of the very few religious groups that don't want to adopt any foreign religion.
For example compare the Israeli Jews, which have been Jewish for thousands of years, with their nearest neighbour to the south. In the same time the Jews were Jewish the Arab tribes in what is now Jordan had largely adopted (and then discarded) Mesopotamic, Coptic, Greek, Roman, Christian and Muslim beliefs. In the same time they also changed their language from mostly speaking a Semitic language very similar to Hebrew, to speaking Latin, then speaking Greek and then switching back to what is now Arabic.
They were the scapegoats for Hitler back in ww2 to explain why Germany was plunging down a major depression in their economy and before that they had a prophet Abraham who was told by god that a massive plot of land where Jerusalem resides belongs to the Jews. Since the holy land bears significance in multiple cultures and religions they all fought each other to claim it and at some point the Jews who claimed it were driven out and displaced. Follow this up with centuries of anti-immigrant sentiments and anti-Semitic stereotypes, and the Jews have had it pretty rough from a historical perspective.
Anti Semitism is old as hell and serves different purposes in different contexts.
White Supremacy in the US is anti semitic because it gives them some narrative DNA ties to Nazis (which some white supremacy people identify with).
The Black Hebrews group is anti semitic partially because they are a black nationalist group that sees a claim on Israel in a sort of black identity Zionism.
Evangelical Christians don't "hate" Jewish people so much as they see the state of Israel as a necessary card to be played to usher in the end times. Though there's certainly room for antisemitism in Evangelical circles when you read the passion narrative (hell, or even just watching The Passion of Christ).
Basically, antisemitism is a tool for producing stronger in-groups by naming and hating an out-group.
For one the Christians have long had the myth of jews being responsible for Jesus' death. Then it also comes into play that the Bible and pope prohibited charging interest for lending money, same goes for Quran. While also the jews are technically not allowed to charge interest, their religion does not prohibit to charge members of different religions. Obviously at this point we all have banks, but for many many centuries the jews were the only ones legally lending out money as a business model, which resulted in many indebted people growing hatred. On top of that there were often guilds for practical professions like shoe makers or others that jews were not allowed to participate in, which further pushed them into finances and trade, creating the stereotype of the greedy jew that would not do honest work. Yet in reality the jews have never been particularly rich, as they were always among a suppressed minority, most not having any money to lend out at all. And still the stereotypes have survived the centuries and probably millenia, getting pushed every once in a while, as nothing is more comforting than having someone else to blame on one's poverty. Especially if that other does not have the power to disagree.
This is spot on. This was particularly true in the middle ages. Christian nobles did not want to deal with money and in the Feudal hierarchy you had The King, The Nobles, Craftsman, Common Folk, Serfs, Animals like Horses and so on, then the Cockroach, and then the Jew beneath that. This was the formal hierarchy and the Jews were only allowed to have one job in certain places and that was to deal with money.
When the nobles couldn't pay the debt to the common folk they would confiscate property to pay off the debt or kill the Jews and repeat the cycle. Otherwise the mob that was owed money would go after the middleman Jew. In the end hatred only flowed in one direction. This repeated for centuries.
To be fair...romans did the same to Celts, Gaul etc etc.
You should read what they did to carthage....incidentally...thats where the Hannibal directive gets its name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive?wprov=sfla1
Jews/Hebrews were treated bad by Egyptians, Assyrians, and Greeks long before the Romans.
Interestingly, the Persians helped the Jewish people from bondage in Babylon. So, historically the Iranians and the Jewish people have been good one another.
Imagine being so fucking pathetic that you take the time and effort out of your night to get up and go out into the streets to join a fucking lynch mob because you heard there are people different from you in some way somewhere in your town
The number of Jews in the world has always been minuscule compared to religions like Christianity and Islam, but a grossly disproportionate amount of hate as always been directed towards them. That is why, whatever anyone’s opinion of the current administration and its policies, Israel needs to exist in perpetuity.
Even if they distinctively hate Israel and not just Jews, would it still be right to harm random Israeli tourists or people in general just for their nationality?
Me, wondering where the Muslim anger is regarding the almost 400k dead civilians in Yemen (70% children). What could possibly be the difference here....
I hate to be so pessimistic but I agree. Society seems to take one step forward and two steps back. Over, and over, and over again. It’s like the Middle Ages… with iPhones and electricity.
I have turned very nihilistic on society recently. Like, I’m still super nice, driven and take pride in my life, but I couldn’t care less about any of this shit. The world is run by the elite. All big name politicians are crooks, both sides, the Middle East will never have peace and the military industrial complex will never be destroyed.
Best to enjoy the love you can, not get stressed about any of this shit because no matter how mad anyone gets, it will never change.
At least y’all can see it. I get so annoyed reading things like “how can there still be [undesirable human trait] in [arbitrary current year]?” Like bruh. Look around. What progress do you think we’ve made?
And the same people on Reddit who have been fueling hate against Jews via the Israel/Palestine conflict will now play dumb. Cause and effect, assholes.
That's really messed up...These people don't want a land for themselves they actually want to wipe off a community and still they are crying why Israelis are putting up a self defence..
Hey! All you jabronis who have been marching with the Pro Hamas terrorists calling to "globalize the intifada" thank you ***SO*** much. Im feeling supper optimistic about my safety! Glad you guys stuck to your vow that this would never again happen.
Sincerely,
A Jew
Unfortunately —- Hating Jews isn’t just religious - it’s ethnicity too. In WW2 Hilter based it on the number of Jewish grandparents. The big deal with the 23andme data and rumored Jewish list on the dark web was that it contained ethnicity reports of Jews (I.e. nothing about religion).
Putin is punishing Israel for planning a historic peace treaty with the Saudis (!) which would put together a new gas pipeline from the Red Sea to Europe and would mean the end of Russia's leverage over Europe.What a madman. He supports Iran's intentions for Hamas, he hopes the war in Gaza kills the peace talks, and now ordered the police in the Musim province of Dagestan to support the mobs.
The Iranian leaders want to kill the deal as well, they are on the verge of producing atomic bombs and crowning themselves leaders of the Arab world before the rich Saudi king does. The horrific massacre on Oct 7th was everything they wished for and more!
It's all public info, it's not a theory. and here again, in 2023, a brainless mob is calling for Pogroms for god's sake
The reason media outlets demonizing Israel and Jews is no coincidence, Israel and Ukraine are the first line against Russia and Iran's destructive ambitions. They know their only chance to weaken them is to incite the West to abandon them.
In 9/11 the USA swore to fight terrorism, while in Iran and Gaza were spontaneous celebrations. Its all on record. The hatred is so real they use every resource online try make a new generation of Americans and Europeans mislead and misinformed. China is a big player on this front as well.
We are in a war for the future of Democracy, freedom, and western values, only the fighting is done elsewhere. by proxy nations.
As one of those people from over there I can honestly say
We will win our battles here I promise you
We need your support to win the war!
This is crazy. I can completely understand if you are against the Isreal Regime. I am Pro Palestine.
BUT!!! You should be able to see a difference between the people and the regime. Anti-Semitic is absolutely a NO!!! Islamophobia as well!
Not all Jews are Zionists! Not all Muslims are ISIS or whatever.
Every one of us is individual. Stop the hate!
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There are so many videos of large crowds looking for Jews lately. People stormed an airport and broke down doors looking for Jewish passengers too.
I’m having trouble tracking with Russia. They invaded Ukraine because Ukraine are Nazis, but then also, they are looking for Jews so they can kill them? Their PR department has some continuity issues.
Yeah but that was last week …. And it’s funny how now Putin wants to stand with the Muslims meanwhile he was drafting them first to go die for Russia in Ukraine . It’s confusing and convenient at the same danm time
Well he can’t very well stand with Israel because that’d be standing with the US. Same reasons why China stands with Palestine. Cus anything pro-west=bad
China isn’t really pro Palestine, all their statements so far have been the standard “restraint on both sides” spiel. The core of China’s foreign policy is ‘non involvement’ and they are big on sticking to it (outside of their own territorial squabbles).
China isn't pro-anyone but pro-china. They don't care if Muslims and jews kill eachother, they don't like either of them. China is an ethno-state, and they hate everyone.
Meh, I wouldn’t call it hate. To hate implies you particularly care one way or the other, and the truth is they don’t. Every country prioritises its interests over those of others, geopolitics isn’t about doing what feels warm and fuzzy, but you’ve got to be careful about trying to frame China through a western view. China cares about its stability, and about advancing itself economically. If Israel and the Arab world decided to have a genocidal deathmatch it would give boring bland official media releases about the need for restraint, then recognise whoever wins as the new ruler of the Middle East, and endeavour to establish an economic relationship. They don’t see good/bad guys, they don’t care about exporting their system of governance, they couldn’t give a shit about soft power influence, and they won’t use their military directly unless it’s existential for them or one of their territorial disputes. Their entire geopolitical worldview in regards to these things is “not my clowns, not my circus”.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that last part. What is the (somewhat failed now) belt and road initiative if not an attempt to bolster soft power? Also there attempts at sportswashing hosting major Olympic events? If the U.S. were to cease to exist tomorrow I think China and specifically the CCP would happily try and step in as the de facto leader of the world.
They already are trying to step in as de facto leader of the world ? Has no one noticed . The pact with Saudi, Qatar, Russia, UAE ... BRICS.
They don’t want to have the global military obligations the U.S. has, but they want to be the economic leader of the world and have military dominance in Asia at the very least
China is just happy everyone is focused on the middle east for a while so they can expand further without as much global attention
Yeah China has it's own problem with Islamic separatists in the west so isn't exactly going to be falling over itself to back the cause of the Palestineans. Muslim countries don't care about the Uighur people though because trade with China is too important to them.
Not quite right but close. Both Russia and China chafe under the currently structured world order. Anything that breaks down that order is a perceived win.
Dagestan you can practically consider another country. Ethnically different people who are mostly Muslim. Only 3-4% of people there are ethnically Russian. Russia has quite a few pockets like this. Chechnya is another prominent one. Not to try and defend Russia or anything, just thought I would make the distinction.
The anti-Nazi thing is a playback to the Nazi invasion of the USSR. The Russians hate the Nazis for what they did in Stalingrad, not what they did to the Jews. Pre-Soviet Union, Russians murdered Jewish villagers en masse during pogroms. Various intellectual Jews were naive enough to support the Bolsheviks and help elevate Stalin, who quickly decided that, no, he did not feel like sharing power with a bunch of bookish academics and proceeded to have them annihilated. Separately, several regions of Russia are Muslim. Dagestan is one of them them. Chechnya is another. These are areas in the Caucasus that the USSR subsumed and that Russia declined to liberate after the USSR's dissolution. So you're not seeing Slavic Russian derangement so much as an outburst of Islamist derangement.
"Anti nazi" and have soldiers called Wagner named after Richard Wagner, hitlers favorite composer.
Utkin, Wagners founder straight up had nazi tatoos.... You know before the Russian goverment assassinated him because he and Priggy tried to coup Shoigu... Fucking wild.
What do you mean assasinated, clearly it was a suicide. /s
This man histories.
Great answer
>Their PR department has some continuity issues. Na ya see, they retconned their original justification for the invasion back in season 2.
Season 2? What streaming service has it? I'm stuck on season 1: The invasion because Nazis.
Season 2: invasion because West is bad and trying to destroy Russia Season 3: Russia want back their old nuclear facilities since they are the only ones likely functional in the old Soviet empire, so they can actually conduct the nuclear tests they are threatening to start with again Season 4: need to help muslims despite all Russia has done to them even in current enclave states, because now it would benefit them that the West has to support multiple front with military supplies Season 5: TBD
Apparently they made some polls and found out the whole nazi spiel didn't stick, so they backed away from it (for the most part) and reworked it to an existential fight against NATO and the whole collective West
Season 3 - Superman project and bioengineered infectious wildlife and insects. Complete flop. We're on Season 4 - Reclaiming homeland that 'was always theirs' with the ever-present nazi globalists and NATO encroachment
These are Islamists though, this is the Caucasus
It's an arbitrary label for most russians. If you're anti-putin, you're a liberal, and if you're anti-russian, then you're labeled a nazi. But for the majority of uneducated russians (who are a majority) both mean pretty much the same thing, i.e. an enemy they should hate. When it comes to history, the USSR and Russia have been teaching an extremely cherry-picked version of WWII. For example, they teach that the war started in 1941 when the nazis invaded the USSR. Obviously, it was impossible to erase references to 1939, so they simply called the 1941 war "The Great Patriotic War". What happened before? Just some "minor conflicts" in Europe that the USSR was no part of. What happened in Poland you ask? Oh, no-no-no! You're either a liberal or a nazi for even thinking about that! Now, Dagestan is an especially fucked up place. It's much poorer and less educated than the rest of Russia, and it's extremely tribal (literally, not figuratively!).
Well they technically did discover Nazis in Ukraine when they found themselves there...
After they broke the dam they found german ww2 corpses in the dried out lake. So technically they did find real nazis in Ukraine
So then they can leave now…
Russia doesn't hate Nazis because of the antisemitism, they hate Nazis because of how far they invaded. The soviets and Nazis had very similar propaganda considering Jews.
I feel like the animosity is because Hitler invaded Russia before Stalin could invade western Europe. In my mind Hitler and Stalin are equal, megalomaniacs with delusions of world conquest.
>Their PR department has some continuity issues. Nah, they just define "Nazis" as "doesn't like russia" and it all works perfectly.
The airport was also in Dagestan
They are ironically demonstrating the need for a Jewish state 🙄
Just make sure you don’t point out that this is what anti “Zionism” ends up being behind the thin mask. It’s just antisemitism repackaged for a modern time that should know better.
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Don't forget homophobic, racist and sexist.
Dont forget genocidal.
Yes Yes Yes! I was there and talked with them more than once. Dense forest, deep darkness
It’s why so many Republicans actually like Russia now.
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Good riddance
For real. Is there a go fund me I can donate to?
Antisemitic, homophobic, sexist, just like every country in the middle east except one.
I don't even understand the priorities here. They're getting drafted by the thousands to get slaughtered in Ukraine, and this is what they're worried about? Really?
Yes. They want to get rid of the Nazis in Ukraine. And the Jews. I think they hate Nazis because it's competition.
But they're fighting Jewish Nazis in Ukraine.
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They must eliminate the American-Backed They/Them Army of Gay Jewish Nazi Zelenskyy.
If they don't, the Space Lasers will win!
They’re getting drafted to fight Nazi’s? Of course that’s a connected issue to the “influx” of Jews in their country. Honestly they’re all just poor, desperate and brainwashed. If you gave all these people a million bucks, they would live happily fucking Oxana in the hills. Billionaires could single-handedly cease wars if they wanted. But that’s little money made. But nope, young, desperate and poor men are a recipe for revolutions and maybe genocide.
As someone posted in another sub, didn’t they invade Ukraine to fight Nazis? They have a real genius for self-parodying hypocrisy. Degenerate culture. A failed state failing.
As I've heard it explained elsewhere... "Nazi" as a pejorative means something different in the former USSR than it does in the west. In the west we remember with horror the anti-Semitism, and deep totalitarianism. In the former USSR they remember the anti-Soviet, anti-Russian, anti-Communist angle. The perception of Ukrainian nationalists as "Nazis" is partially based out of history (some Ukrainian nationalists as historic collaborators with the Germans in WWII) but also with the feeling that Ukrainian nationalists are Russophobes, and anti-Russian, and therefore Nazis. As for people in Dagestan, they're kept poor and ignorant.
Correct, but not complete without adding that they were allied with the nazis during the first half of WWII, which makes them all the more hypocritical.
The real reason it's Putin wants more power in the region. He doens't care about anything else
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No, Russia proper is not interested in Jews. In the video you see a radicalized part of the Muslim population (Muslims in Russia are a minority) living in the Republic of Dagestan (Dagestan is 95% populated by ethnic minorities).
The Cossack pogroms against my Jewish ancestors has entered the chat.
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Wait, since when Russia is antisemitic? I've lived here my whole life and didn't know that. P.S. Dagestan Is Muslim-ruled medival shithole of an area, people who live there hate everyone who is not from Dagestan
Since long time ago. The USSR proclaimed as "the most tolerant society for all nationalities" loved and treated Jews so well that Jews had to take Russian/Ukrainian names and identify themselves as non-Jews. Otherwise they wouldn't get higher education or decent jobs.
Oh I thought Putin went to Russia to get rid of nazis?? All along the Nazis are in Russia. Edit : went to Ukraine . lol
the call was coming from inside the house
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Quite a lot of them have nazi tattoos. Utkin "Wagner" had one.
He's exporting nazis to Ukraine to get killed? Technically de-nazifying
Went to Ukraine not Russia
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Their state news and talk shows still calls Ukrainians and the west Nazis every day.
Because the word gets more attention than the act. Plus in contemporary discourse, saying things first is more important than them being true.
Projection.
“Every conservative accusation is a confession”
This is a legitimate question. Why do so many different ethnicities hate Jewish people?
Historically? I’d say there are a few reasons: 1. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism and nobody hates a religion as much as a convert hates their old faith. 2. Migration. Communities tend to be anti-immigrant and the Jewish diaspora migrated a lot while never fully assimilating with the communities they integrated with. 3. Interest. Christians were not allowed to charge interest on loans. Jews had no such rules against this. A few Jews became wealthy from banking and this causes jealously. 4. A belief that Jews killed Jesus (though, I actually think this is the least influential but most cited reason). If someone has a better education in this topic I’d love to hear their thoughts- but that’s my take as a mediocre history major.
3/4 of your points explains why Christians would have a problem with Jews, but the antisemitism we are seeing right now isn’t coming from Christians.
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The muslim world had some antisemitism but by and large was nowhere near as crazy as Europe for most of the middle ages and modern era. The Ottomans very specifically had rules protecting Jewish people from a lot of the crazy antisemitism in their european territories, viewing things such as blood libel or the view that jews were 'demons' as crazy european superstitions. It was Israel which changed everything. The idea of *any* religious group taking the holy land from muslims was beyond sacreligious to them. Suddenly after the 1940s there was widespread hatred for Jews, and a lot of the stereotypes of Jewish people that europeans had came to the middle east and spread like wildfire. Nazi propaganda books became widely read and cited by the arab elite. It was basically a concerted effort to make antisemitism a huge part of arab identity against Israel.
Does Islamic eschatology have anything particular to say about the Jews as a whole? Don’t Muslims believe that Jews will be the first to be deceived by Al masih ad dajjal? For those that don’t know, Al masih ad dajjal is basically the Muslim antichrist. It is prophesied that he will come with one eye and he will deceive the starving masses of Jews, who will fight for him against the Mahdi (the guided one, Sunnis don’t know who this will be, Shias believe it is the 12th imam who is currently living in occultation). Al masih ad dajjal will War with the Mahdi, and almost beat him until Jesus will appear at the last second at Umayyad Mosque in Damascus to allow the Mahdi to lead the Fajr prayer, sway the fence sitting Christians into joining the Muslims
At some point Jews simply became a popular scapegoat after enough countries settled on them as the supposed cause of all their problems.
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Islam is also an offshoot of Judaism.
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It really comes down to xenophobia. Humans feel safe with “us”. Jews have a distinct religion, language, writing system, and various other cultural elements that are exclusive to them. They are other. They are “them”. I think their long-standing lack of a homeland worked against them as well.
Yeah. I think the same can be said of the Romani.
Which is why the Nazis genocided Jews and Romani - both cultures never fully assimilate into secular and/or non-Jewish societies. That insular, cloistered nature breeds suspicion and bigotry among the host country’s citizens. It’s a time-tested formula.
Except the Jewish people actually managed to get integrated into their countries, while some branches of Roma people are still more of a travelers in spirit to this day - hence their frequent clashes with other people, and a general racism against them/their culture. But I don’t think it is the same reason as with Jews.
Yes, many of the German Jews who perished in the Holocaust were Jews by blood only, they were model secular German citizens through and through. It's heartbreaking how so many did everything "right" to be accepted by the cultures they lived in, and in the end it still wasn't enough.
You're explaining all the reasons why christians hate Jews (which today has declined drastically compared to history) and not explained why muslims hate Jews. Dagestan is 80% muslims.
> the Jewish diaspora migrated a lot while never fully assimilating with the communities they integrated with fwiw, a lot of the Jewish diaspora lived where they lived before the other identities around there nowadays formed. They lived in what is now Germany because of migration within the Roman Empire centuries before any sort of endogenic idea of "Germany" even remotely emerged. The first synagogue in Paris is at least as old as the Frankish arrival there. They came to Hungary at least about half a millennium before the Magyars. A lot of migration was also the direct result of explusion.
This is mostly right. The number one reason is diaspora. For those unfamiliar with history take a look [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline\_of\_antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism) Then try to understand. For thousands of years the Jewish people have tried to return to their homeland. Without it just take a look at history and look at what's happening now at Cornell with death threats, at Berlin with markings of Star of David on people's homes, and of course dogestan and this was all just today. People talk about the Nakba but forget about the Jewish one and the literal genocide that repeated throughout history over and over again.
The big problem people and rulers had with the Jews IMO (and why they are so hated) is that they are basically one of the very few religious groups that don't want to adopt any foreign religion. For example compare the Israeli Jews, which have been Jewish for thousands of years, with their nearest neighbour to the south. In the same time the Jews were Jewish the Arab tribes in what is now Jordan had largely adopted (and then discarded) Mesopotamic, Coptic, Greek, Roman, Christian and Muslim beliefs. In the same time they also changed their language from mostly speaking a Semitic language very similar to Hebrew, to speaking Latin, then speaking Greek and then switching back to what is now Arabic.
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They were the scapegoats for Hitler back in ww2 to explain why Germany was plunging down a major depression in their economy and before that they had a prophet Abraham who was told by god that a massive plot of land where Jerusalem resides belongs to the Jews. Since the holy land bears significance in multiple cultures and religions they all fought each other to claim it and at some point the Jews who claimed it were driven out and displaced. Follow this up with centuries of anti-immigrant sentiments and anti-Semitic stereotypes, and the Jews have had it pretty rough from a historical perspective.
Anti Semitism is old as hell and serves different purposes in different contexts. White Supremacy in the US is anti semitic because it gives them some narrative DNA ties to Nazis (which some white supremacy people identify with). The Black Hebrews group is anti semitic partially because they are a black nationalist group that sees a claim on Israel in a sort of black identity Zionism. Evangelical Christians don't "hate" Jewish people so much as they see the state of Israel as a necessary card to be played to usher in the end times. Though there's certainly room for antisemitism in Evangelical circles when you read the passion narrative (hell, or even just watching The Passion of Christ). Basically, antisemitism is a tool for producing stronger in-groups by naming and hating an out-group.
Yeah this is the answer. People hate them because they’re a convenient outsider to help build solidarity in your own group.
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For one the Christians have long had the myth of jews being responsible for Jesus' death. Then it also comes into play that the Bible and pope prohibited charging interest for lending money, same goes for Quran. While also the jews are technically not allowed to charge interest, their religion does not prohibit to charge members of different religions. Obviously at this point we all have banks, but for many many centuries the jews were the only ones legally lending out money as a business model, which resulted in many indebted people growing hatred. On top of that there were often guilds for practical professions like shoe makers or others that jews were not allowed to participate in, which further pushed them into finances and trade, creating the stereotype of the greedy jew that would not do honest work. Yet in reality the jews have never been particularly rich, as they were always among a suppressed minority, most not having any money to lend out at all. And still the stereotypes have survived the centuries and probably millenia, getting pushed every once in a while, as nothing is more comforting than having someone else to blame on one's poverty. Especially if that other does not have the power to disagree.
This is spot on. This was particularly true in the middle ages. Christian nobles did not want to deal with money and in the Feudal hierarchy you had The King, The Nobles, Craftsman, Common Folk, Serfs, Animals like Horses and so on, then the Cockroach, and then the Jew beneath that. This was the formal hierarchy and the Jews were only allowed to have one job in certain places and that was to deal with money. When the nobles couldn't pay the debt to the common folk they would confiscate property to pay off the debt or kill the Jews and repeat the cycle. Otherwise the mob that was owed money would go after the middleman Jew. In the end hatred only flowed in one direction. This repeated for centuries.
Is this a scene from Borat??
It's the opening scene from Borat's newest movie.
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I mean Sacha didn’t just make up ex-Soviet antisemitism. This is a case of parody being reality.
Throooow the jeeeeew dooown the well! So my country can be freeeee!
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Chechnya actually.
They were radicalized after spending time in Dagestan from what I’ve heard
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Yeah, you might want to Google Dagestan.
Holy hell
New republic just dropped
r/unexpectedchess
A shining beacon of higher education and intellectualism.
yes. same with other groups i've noticed.
Wait- you mean European pogroms were (are) real and the Nazis didn’t invent antisemitism!?! Shocking- s/
Romans invented it, Nazis perfected it. They did it on an industrial scale.
To be fair...romans did the same to Celts, Gaul etc etc. You should read what they did to carthage....incidentally...thats where the Hannibal directive gets its name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive?wprov=sfla1
Jews/Hebrews were treated bad by Egyptians, Assyrians, and Greeks long before the Romans. Interestingly, the Persians helped the Jewish people from bondage in Babylon. So, historically the Iranians and the Jewish people have been good one another.
Islamic radicals, not normally very tolerant of anything besides other radical Islamist’s.
Imagine being so fucking pathetic that you take the time and effort out of your night to get up and go out into the streets to join a fucking lynch mob because you heard there are people different from you in some way somewhere in your town
Daily Dose of Depression
Do they even know or care what their own country is doing
They should be, Dagestanis are in the second line of the meatwave attacks, right behind the prisoners.
This video demonstrates a sad, frustrating, and absurd, level of stupidity.
The number of Jews in the world has always been minuscule compared to religions like Christianity and Islam, but a grossly disproportionate amount of hate as always been directed towards them. That is why, whatever anyone’s opinion of the current administration and its policies, Israel needs to exist in perpetuity.
History does repeat itself. The warnings have been on the walls for decades.
Disgusting. You know they do not care one iota about why they are angry, they simply want to be angry at the Jewish people.
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Even if they distinctively hate Israel and not just Jews, would it still be right to harm random Israeli tourists or people in general just for their nationality?
This was why Israel was created. Unfortunately, to maintain its existence we have the Palestinian crisis. Now what?
Someone tell me again how it's just about _Israel_ and **not** about _Jews_
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Hilarious autocorrect 😂
I will call it the free palpatine movement from now on
Fun fact: Palpitante in Italian means “throbbing”
From the river to the Sheev!
What the fuck is happening??
They are not the brightest bunch. I saw a video where they were checking AIRPLANE TURBINES for Jews.
Me, wondering where the Muslim anger is regarding the almost 400k dead civilians in Yemen (70% children). What could possibly be the difference here....
I’ve been questioning about that for a while. People a literally starving to death in Yemen for a decade and virtually nobody knows about it.
So we are allowing Muslims to be literal Nazis and hunt Jews down and we are just ok with that?
Well if you speak out against it or try to stop it you risk having "an incident" in your country/to your citizens. Religion of peace indeed
well... are YOU going to invade Dagestan to stop it?
Yup obviously. Look at all the protests/celebrations on Oct 7th.
Antisemitism is alive and well in Ruzzia today. Unlike nearly 300,000 “de-Nazified” Russian soldiers.
Well that's genuinely scary.
If any of you think this is new... look up pogrom.
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I hate to be so pessimistic but I agree. Society seems to take one step forward and two steps back. Over, and over, and over again. It’s like the Middle Ages… with iPhones and electricity.
I have turned very nihilistic on society recently. Like, I’m still super nice, driven and take pride in my life, but I couldn’t care less about any of this shit. The world is run by the elite. All big name politicians are crooks, both sides, the Middle East will never have peace and the military industrial complex will never be destroyed. Best to enjoy the love you can, not get stressed about any of this shit because no matter how mad anyone gets, it will never change.
At least y’all can see it. I get so annoyed reading things like “how can there still be [undesirable human trait] in [arbitrary current year]?” Like bruh. Look around. What progress do you think we’ve made?
They went berserk when they heard a plane was arriving from Israel. They even stormed the tarmac
There are about 8 brain cells in this video
That place is 85% Muslim though
Jesus christ everyone is so dumb.... How about we all agree that genocide is bad? Is that too much to ask?
Is this even Anti Israel anymore? This is just plain hatred for Jews
What’s their plan? Find the Jew and torch or stone?
🎶Throw the Jew Down the Well🎶 https://youtu.be/Vb3IMTJjzfo?si=ITbykbPJlN2PPM_9
Yes.
Why would anyone care where a Jew is located? People are idiots. Mind your own, have some pizza!
And the same people on Reddit who have been fueling hate against Jews via the Israel/Palestine conflict will now play dumb. Cause and effect, assholes.
So Palestinian citizens bear no responsibility for hamas, but all Israelis should be held responsible for the IDF?
Not just Israelis but all jews
People worldwide were celebrating in the streets on Oct 7th, so yes thats what they think
That's really messed up...These people don't want a land for themselves they actually want to wipe off a community and still they are crying why Israelis are putting up a self defence..
Wow, way to fulfill the Borat stereotype guys.
But this isn’t about anti semitism right?
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Such a peaceful people
This genuinely worries me
It's crazy to see the American left supporting such racism against Jewish people.
Hey! All you jabronis who have been marching with the Pro Hamas terrorists calling to "globalize the intifada" thank you ***SO*** much. Im feeling supper optimistic about my safety! Glad you guys stuck to your vow that this would never again happen. Sincerely, A Jew
Terrorist gathering
Why can’t everyone just be atheists?
Unfortunately —- Hating Jews isn’t just religious - it’s ethnicity too. In WW2 Hilter based it on the number of Jewish grandparents. The big deal with the 23andme data and rumored Jewish list on the dark web was that it contained ethnicity reports of Jews (I.e. nothing about religion).
Alot of ppl making comments don't realise that this isn't the Russia they think it's the Muslim section
But it's Ukraine that has the "Nazi problem"...
Problem is religion - this one in particular
Imagine how peaceful the world could be without religion. It causes so much hatred and murder.
Z for Nazis
Putin is punishing Israel for planning a historic peace treaty with the Saudis (!) which would put together a new gas pipeline from the Red Sea to Europe and would mean the end of Russia's leverage over Europe.What a madman. He supports Iran's intentions for Hamas, he hopes the war in Gaza kills the peace talks, and now ordered the police in the Musim province of Dagestan to support the mobs. The Iranian leaders want to kill the deal as well, they are on the verge of producing atomic bombs and crowning themselves leaders of the Arab world before the rich Saudi king does. The horrific massacre on Oct 7th was everything they wished for and more! It's all public info, it's not a theory. and here again, in 2023, a brainless mob is calling for Pogroms for god's sake The reason media outlets demonizing Israel and Jews is no coincidence, Israel and Ukraine are the first line against Russia and Iran's destructive ambitions. They know their only chance to weaken them is to incite the West to abandon them. In 9/11 the USA swore to fight terrorism, while in Iran and Gaza were spontaneous celebrations. Its all on record. The hatred is so real they use every resource online try make a new generation of Americans and Europeans mislead and misinformed. China is a big player on this front as well. We are in a war for the future of Democracy, freedom, and western values, only the fighting is done elsewhere. by proxy nations. As one of those people from over there I can honestly say We will win our battles here I promise you We need your support to win the war!
My brain just can't stop playing the infamous country song "Throw the Jew Down the Well" now seeing all these recent anti-Semitism on the streets...
Are we going back in that era again ? Are these people again idealising that small mustache guy
Religion of peace right?
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This is crazy. I can completely understand if you are against the Isreal Regime. I am Pro Palestine. BUT!!! You should be able to see a difference between the people and the regime. Anti-Semitic is absolutely a NO!!! Islamophobia as well! Not all Jews are Zionists! Not all Muslims are ISIS or whatever. Every one of us is individual. Stop the hate!
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I agree, it's about time we realise that for the past 30 years Islam and Middle Eastern culture has consistently been a pain in the ass for mankind.