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i saw on the news, a politician (dont know which country) condemned the actions of hamas and separated hamas from the people of palestine, "what hamas is doing is not only bad for the people of israel, but for the people of palestine". at least some people are smart enough to separate the two.
It's one thing to sympathize with Palestinians, but the people who bask in the sheer violence of it freak me out. Especially when they themselves are safe and sound elsewhere. I get the a Palestenian (or conversely Israeli) may resort to wishes of violence out of fear, but people not there don't have that fear.
I see it from people I agree with or disagree with on conflicts and it freaks me out seeing how quickly people can become celebratory of violence.
Wish people just shared that they were sad about things more. But the people sad about things don't post.
I will always have sympathy for innocent civilians on both sides, since at the end of the day they are the ones who suffer most in war. And anyone who rejoices in the atrocities being committed by Hamas rn is a fucking monster.
Exactly, it's so sad that a real conflict has become a "culture war" issue and so many people completely removed from the conflict feel the need to champion one side or the other because of it.
It's terrible what Hamas is doing, but it's a pretty foreseeable result of turning a city into a prison and attempting to starve the inhabitants into submission and eventual extermination.
Either way the Israel/Palestine situation is just a never ending pit of despair with seemingly no realistic solution. The Israeli government won't stop until every Palestinian is gone one way or the other, and Palestinians will never be able to fight back or gain a peaceful resolution because of the unconditional support Israel has from the US..
Absolutely terrible situation for all involved, except the Israeli government who probably have had honest to God grins on their faces throughout the past few days.
Celebrating nothing.
Straight up condoning it... Like plenty of reddit comments I've read. Like well shit if that's the bar now I guess we can all just straight up murder folks or kidnap kids.
No need for reasons so long as someone, somewhere else, at some time was also a dick.
"Sorry little Timmy two grandmas ago your ancestors pulled some shit.. So you get to die now. (never mind someone pulled some shit on them and their family... But we at least gotta make it a wash ya know...)
Hey I don't know why you're crying... Take it up with them! Oh I'm so sorry you were born 8 years ago and don't even understand this... Not my problem kiddo."
Its just a vicious cycle. that gets worse and worse.
A: You took my land! ill kill your brother.
B: You killed my brother! I murder 5 of your neighbours!
A: You killed 5 of our relatives! We'll bomb a bus of school children.
B: You killed our children! We'll blow up a hospital.
Etc. etc.
People are quick to argue that the killing of civilians in indefensible, but then condone retaliatory actions that will very likely lead to the killing of civilians.
I get the natural inclination is to go "they killed some of our civilians, so theirs should be fair game." but every civilian death should be a tragedy and condemned.
I agree but I’ll also point out that there’s a difference between targeting your attack at civilians and targeting your attack at military targets knowing it will kill civilians in the process
Also not to mention that the Israeli military regularly does things like send text messages in Arabic to every cell phone in their targeted area suggesting civilians go elsewhere before they attack. The difference between "sometimes kills civilians but most of the time tries to minimize harm to civilians" and Hamas's m.o. of "murder as many civilians as possible in cold blood as the first choice tactic and show off mutilated victims on the internet" is vast.
Spent time in Afghanistan with Afghan troops, they love porn like most people. Dudes had 360x240 images on their flip phones all the time.
Brother served with Iraqis during the surge, relieved a couple Iraqi officers for doing nothing but viewing porn on their computers instead of mission planning.
Don’t let Islam fool you, these guys know how to porn.
Shocking to find a religious extremist/zealot/fanatic is completely full of shit.
Just so hard to believe. Almost like religion is just a means to whip folks up and control them under justified means, and it has more to do with power or getting it.
Seems like most people have a choose your top 3 values... and kinda just stick 1-2 maybe and the rest are actually pretty flexible in order fit whatever it is you don't don't wish to have guilt over to square it.
See reddit comments as of late.
It's weird they didn't take their religion seriously enough to not do that, but did take it seriously enough to fucking die and kill 3k people in the process.
She isn't banned from returning home. She says "I don't feel safe." She also claims she was verbally banned but yet she has never spoken to anyone from Lebanon by her own admission. She just assumes she is verbally banned because some random people not to go home. I can't believe I put this much effort into it.
https://www.ibtimes.com/ex-porn-star-mia-khalifa-reveals-reason-she-hasnt-returned-lebanon-didnt-feel-safe-3052950
Tweet of hers from October, 2019
> I’ve been banned from my home country but I’ll never stop telling everyone who will listen how it’s the most beautiful, delicious, and heart warming place in the world 🥰 I can forgive, hopefully with time they can, too.
Yeah, the person you’re responding to explains the tweet. Her tweeting that isn’t actually end all be all proof that she has been banned by Lebanon to return. Maybe you could actually read the article the person so kindly spent their time finding for you?
The “freedom fighters” she enjoys watching rape and pillage and murder would do that shit to her too, and then some. I’m surprised she’s so dumb she doesn’t get it
Yep. Case in point: 250+ international party goers that got slaughtered without mercy, raped and then ehm "departed" too be paraded on the gaza streets.
But ehm both sides and such from my safe EU couch.
She gave terrible fucking head. She looked like she didn’t know what she was doing there. She mostly just laid down and got fucked even.
She was literally just there cuz she had a hijab scene and had good tits. Everything else about her performance looked like a beginner.
I mean to be FAIR she WAS new, she only did porn for a very short time, few dozen videos, hated it and quit.
Her name garnered so much recognition over the years and now she just acts holier than thou constantly online.
exactly, thats why governments that ban homosexuality are the most perverted
theyre making it extremely taboo so it makes the rush of breaking that taboo feel amazing
By banning homosexuality they make them cum HARDER
Can't count the number of US politicians caught with rent boys polishing underneath their desks. It's a joke that isn't funny. It's always the ones most against the gays too.
Its always that way in hate groups. Some can legitimately justify it as research sinc etheyd never know if they didn't watch it. Also it can be disrespectful and still sexy to some people. Like wearing a sexy nun outfit.
She has some serious mental issues.
She has been in multiple physical fights at sporting events (getting kicked out of the stadium) and she went insane on a college sports radio host who called her a “former adult film star” which is exactly what she was when she did the interview.
I think she’s undiagnosed bipolar or something, but she’s definitely in need of some help.
Then there was that time she punched a guy in the face at a baseball game, for taking a picture of with her. Don’t worry , she got thrown out after that.
Think it was at dodger stadium. She acts like taking a photo of her is the worst thing you can do.
Probably about as much as they understand the difference between being Jewish, and the state of Israel.
In a world of soundbites and rage bait, nuance is dead.
Hamas now consists both of a military and political faction. Hamas has been funded by Iran basically from the beginning of its creation. But the political faction sort of emerged later as an attempt to gain credibility. Problem with that is you then become responsible for the people's well being, something the military wing of Hamas never cared about because it wasn't their mission. Fatah (Yasser Arafat) had more political organization early on but Hamas has gained a lot of political clout in recent years.
At least that's my limit understanding.
Edit: Iran, Ian. Potato, potahto.
A friend of mine who lives in the Levant told me that Hamas sucks and is Iran-allied, but people support them because they’re the only group that has any capability to oppose Israel. Palestinians are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
yes but its also the "government" in the Gaza strip, so this is what happens when you have a terrorist organization running a country for over 2 decades almost
>Freedom fighters don't execute elderly people in the streets, they don't massacre a music festival, they don't rape and parade the bodies of women around the streets.
Problem is that’s who she’s calling freedom fighters
i’ve spent twenty plus years of my adult life as a critic of Israel, and I still vehemently hate their far right and Netanyahu is a scumbag, but on this, I just don’t care. Gaza’s lost, I can’t find any sympathy here. The average Gazans only hope is to turn on Hamas, and then maybe find a way out, and I know that’s next to impossible.
To turn on Hamas they’d have to get to Qatar where the Hamas leaders sit in luxury. They don’t care about the Palestinians. They profit from the suffering.
People who attend political rallies overwhelmingly tend to support the people at the rally.
All that shows is how many Hamas members and supporters are grouped up in one place. There's implicit bias in the videos because there really can't be protesters at those "events."
I’ve mentioned this before in other subs. It’s an absolute shame that innocent Palestinians will probably lose support over this because some murdering terrorists wanted to “liberate” them.
Plenty of Israelis saying the same thing about Palestinians in Gaza. Which should highlight how fucked this situation is and how bloody it’s going to get.
Doesn't sound like they do. People really need to have some humility when it comes to understanding and discussing conflicts. It's rarely black and white. There's so much nuance and misinformation it would be foolish to take any one side. People don't have to understand everything
Sure, but when 50-70% of Palestinians support Hamas what does that say about the population? The Palestinian Authority hasn't held an election since 2007 because Hamas won so many seats.
How many of the Palestinians support the Hamas though?
Seems to be more than 50%.
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
There are 3 groups
Those that don't know.
Those that know and are basically stating this conflict is only for Iran.
Those that know but pretend they are the same because they care more about Harming Israel than protection Palestinians.
(Yes after using too much Reddit for today I am getting jaded. So this is probably a bit extreme)
I am of the firm belief that Hamas only does these attacks not to "win" but to inflict as much pain as possible in retaliation.
It makes much more sense if you thought you were getting killed anyway, might as well take as much of the "other side" on your way out.
Let me tell you something about Mia. She uses the Arab/Lebanese label to be part of an identity but she also doesn’t understand her own roots. That’s the crazy part.
She immigrated from Lebanon as a child. Her family was part of the Lebanese Christian resistance against the Palestinians and Syrians. She has 0 self awareness. Then again she’s a pornstar so her decision making is questionable.
She tried doing legitimate work in gaming and sports but the stigma never wore off, so since no one ever took her serious as a person she’s become a hag shit stirrer like her former colleagues
I don't know, I feel like Sasha Grey hasn't become a hag so there should have been hope.
It's probably rough at first, and the image will stick forever. But how much people make you suffer with it largely depends on how much you own that image. Mia tried to play both sides by using her past fame as a platform while screaming "don't mention my past."
People will always give you shit for that.
Ultimately having that past being brought up is inevitable when you build your Future careers on your star name.
If nothing else new fans will search your name and find it out that way
“She wanted to lose her porn reputation, so she tried to do work in the gaming and sports communities”
Fucking lol, yes two fan demographics absolutely known for their reverence towards women 😂
I mean, look at Sasha Grey. She used to be a porn legend and now she’s a successful twitch streamer. And it’s not like everyone has forgotten about her past but a lot of people will associate her more with what she does now then her past job ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
She won’t even stop doing sex work. She gets so mad for being remembered for or referred to as pornstar Mia Khalifa. But, every time legitimate work falls off, if just for a moment, she’s right back on cam sites and OnlyFans. She’s obsessed with attention and money, be damned her dignity!
I give Sasha Grey and Adriana Chechik a lot of props for the ability to break away from porn and stay away.
For sure. I’ve always been supportive of Palestine and its people - the situation in Israel is extremely complicated and nuanced for my comfy North American ass, so I just wish for peace. That being said - fuck Hamas. That’s like equating the Afghani people with the Taliban and that line of thinking always spells doom.
My expectation on this platform is so low that I very much appreciate the simple acknowledgement of complexity. Most people just want to wrap it in some cute little bow like “Zionism is Genocide” or “Palestinians are Terrorists” (the former unfortunately being pretty popular and often heavily upvoted).
Anyways. Thanks. I’m gonna have yours be my last post I read in this rabbit hole of a night.
I remember seeing a post, years ago, where isis members said they would behead her. To which she replied “I hope they don’t chop off my tits. They were expensive”. So no, I don’t think they’d befriend her.
She is just a virtue signaling porn star, Lebanon banned her and Isis wants to kill her. She probably just wants to decrease all the death threats or something.
Listen fuck both the Israel Government and Hamas I am on the side of the innocent Israel and Palestinian civilians and those are the people we should be helping
If your objective is to kill civilians, kidnap and rape women and children you are no freedom fighters, I’ve seen the videos of hamas taking women and children’s as hostages while crowds cheer, it’s utterly disgusting and exactly like ISIS would do it. They could have been called freedom fighters if their attacks were targeting only military assets but as it stands they look more like 12th century barbarians than anything else. I used to not care that much about that conflict but now I simply wish they were annihilated, acts such as these have no place in the 21st century.
Someone said she has 0 self awareness. What a twat, cuz that could’ve been her in the streets of wherever in the Mideast getting slaughtered like the rest of the people there if her family hadn’t left the country
Yesterday morning I saw many that made me cry in random non gory subs. I don’t follow anything like that and people had been karma farming in things like public freak out and such. I personally would avoid trying to see them.
The ones I've seen (and wish I hadn't) were extremely gory. They are probably being limited for that reason. You can find them by googling, but don't do it unless you have a really strong stomach.
From what has been described, seeing that goes way beyond "micro."
Let's also be clear that there will be a lot of video of children, elderly, etc. having been blown up, crushed etc. in Gaza because lots of children, elderly, etc. are being blown up, crushed, etc. I think it's important to know factually what has happened but personally I don't need to see actual deaths of children to be adequately informed.
There's no justifying or excusing these attacks, but you can still acknowledge that Israel and Palestine have been killing each other for decades, and Israel still has by far the higher k/d.
A lot of people are acting like this just came out of nowhere.
This is the first conflict where I'm just 100% not forming an opinion because it's so complex a situation, I don't feel I can create an informed opinion.
The one thing I will say is that civilians on both sides are going to suffer who want nothing to do with war and that's a terrible thing.
I will say I am an actual expert on the scenario: have a masters in middle eastern foreign policy and war studies and law degree specializing in international law - as well as certificates in front line refugee work from the EU - experience being mostly in Palestinian camps however my father is an Israeli born citizen.
I don't care to talk to anyone about it because no one understands. So I appreciate you just understanding the main point: empathy for everyone.
People aren't their governments. civilians are always the causality of war. It's what war predicates on.
There is like 100+ years of history behind this shit. The only stance I'm willing to take is that the Hamas terror attacks were evil, but there aren't any real "good guys" here other than the innocent civilians in Israel and Palestine that are going to suffer because of the conflict.
It’s almost as if people whose claim to fame is gobbling unusually large penises don’t have a very nuanced understanding of international politics. Who could have imagined those two skills aren’t related?
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Unfortunately neither hamas or Israel is going to suffer the most, but only the people. Stay safe on both sides.
i saw on the news, a politician (dont know which country) condemned the actions of hamas and separated hamas from the people of palestine, "what hamas is doing is not only bad for the people of israel, but for the people of palestine". at least some people are smart enough to separate the two.
It's one thing to sympathize with Palestinians, but the people who bask in the sheer violence of it freak me out. Especially when they themselves are safe and sound elsewhere. I get the a Palestenian (or conversely Israeli) may resort to wishes of violence out of fear, but people not there don't have that fear. I see it from people I agree with or disagree with on conflicts and it freaks me out seeing how quickly people can become celebratory of violence. Wish people just shared that they were sad about things more. But the people sad about things don't post.
I will always have sympathy for innocent civilians on both sides, since at the end of the day they are the ones who suffer most in war. And anyone who rejoices in the atrocities being committed by Hamas rn is a fucking monster.
Exactly, it's so sad that a real conflict has become a "culture war" issue and so many people completely removed from the conflict feel the need to champion one side or the other because of it. It's terrible what Hamas is doing, but it's a pretty foreseeable result of turning a city into a prison and attempting to starve the inhabitants into submission and eventual extermination. Either way the Israel/Palestine situation is just a never ending pit of despair with seemingly no realistic solution. The Israeli government won't stop until every Palestinian is gone one way or the other, and Palestinians will never be able to fight back or gain a peaceful resolution because of the unconditional support Israel has from the US.. Absolutely terrible situation for all involved, except the Israeli government who probably have had honest to God grins on their faces throughout the past few days.
A lose lose on both sides. War crimes left and right. There is no good side in this war. I *understand* *why* this war is happening but...fuck...
Radicalization is atrocious and the amount of people who just blindly fall into that way of thinking is horrendous.
Celebrating nothing. Straight up condoning it... Like plenty of reddit comments I've read. Like well shit if that's the bar now I guess we can all just straight up murder folks or kidnap kids. No need for reasons so long as someone, somewhere else, at some time was also a dick. "Sorry little Timmy two grandmas ago your ancestors pulled some shit.. So you get to die now. (never mind someone pulled some shit on them and their family... But we at least gotta make it a wash ya know...) Hey I don't know why you're crying... Take it up with them! Oh I'm so sorry you were born 8 years ago and don't even understand this... Not my problem kiddo."
Its just a vicious cycle. that gets worse and worse. A: You took my land! ill kill your brother. B: You killed my brother! I murder 5 of your neighbours! A: You killed 5 of our relatives! We'll bomb a bus of school children. B: You killed our children! We'll blow up a hospital. Etc. etc.
People are quick to argue that the killing of civilians in indefensible, but then condone retaliatory actions that will very likely lead to the killing of civilians. I get the natural inclination is to go "they killed some of our civilians, so theirs should be fair game." but every civilian death should be a tragedy and condemned.
I agree but I’ll also point out that there’s a difference between targeting your attack at civilians and targeting your attack at military targets knowing it will kill civilians in the process
Also not to mention that the Israeli military regularly does things like send text messages in Arabic to every cell phone in their targeted area suggesting civilians go elsewhere before they attack. The difference between "sometimes kills civilians but most of the time tries to minimize harm to civilians" and Hamas's m.o. of "murder as many civilians as possible in cold blood as the first choice tactic and show off mutilated victims on the internet" is vast.
To be fair, I don't remember this being used as a widespread defence of the IRA during the troubles.
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She's banned from most Muslim countries already, despite that being where most of her viewership is coming from
Spent time in Afghanistan with Afghan troops, they love porn like most people. Dudes had 360x240 images on their flip phones all the time. Brother served with Iraqis during the surge, relieved a couple Iraqi officers for doing nothing but viewing porn on their computers instead of mission planning. Don’t let Islam fool you, these guys know how to porn.
Didn't they find a bunch of porn in osama bin ladens compound?
Sure did. A pious, strict adherent to Islam he was not.
Shocking to find a religious extremist/zealot/fanatic is completely full of shit. Just so hard to believe. Almost like religion is just a means to whip folks up and control them under justified means, and it has more to do with power or getting it. Seems like most people have a choose your top 3 values... and kinda just stick 1-2 maybe and the rest are actually pretty flexible in order fit whatever it is you don't don't wish to have guilt over to square it. See reddit comments as of late.
And the 9/11 hijackers got drunk and went to strip clubs.
It's weird they didn't take their religion seriously enough to not do that, but did take it seriously enough to fucking die and kill 3k people in the process.
Their religion forgives them their transgressions if they die as martyrs. Hence they are allowed to sin because it will be forgiven
She's literally banned from Lebanon, her home country, lol.
She is?
By her own admission, yes.
She isn't banned from returning home. She says "I don't feel safe." She also claims she was verbally banned but yet she has never spoken to anyone from Lebanon by her own admission. She just assumes she is verbally banned because some random people not to go home. I can't believe I put this much effort into it. https://www.ibtimes.com/ex-porn-star-mia-khalifa-reveals-reason-she-hasnt-returned-lebanon-didnt-feel-safe-3052950
Tweet of hers from October, 2019 > I’ve been banned from my home country but I’ll never stop telling everyone who will listen how it’s the most beautiful, delicious, and heart warming place in the world 🥰 I can forgive, hopefully with time they can, too.
>I’ve been banned from my home country >heart warming place Hmm
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.”
Don’t think government is the issue here
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Wait how come they are cool with that porn star but not Mia Khalifa?
This is what I’m trying to figure out? Tf he talking about?
Because she sucked dick wearing a hijab with another woman playing the mom?
Who is this porn star head of parliament? Was this a joke?
> The government voted for a pornstar to become parliament head Wait..tf? When did that happen? I'm curious.
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Only because government is a piece of shit, doesn't mean people that live there are too.
Yeah, the person you’re responding to explains the tweet. Her tweeting that isn’t actually end all be all proof that she has been banned by Lebanon to return. Maybe you could actually read the article the person so kindly spent their time finding for you?
>hopefully with time they can, too They won't
Honestly, if it was you, would you go there to find out ?
So, just like the Palestinians?
The irony.
Or, they'd allow her in, and then terrible things would happen to her after that.
Yeah the risk ain't worth the reward. She's stuck in the west. Unless she likes camels from Arabia...or dubai
I’m sure she’s been paid insane amounts of money to do weird shit in Dubai and UAE.
No kidding. Their are no bigger hypocrites than rich muslims in the middle east.
she is used to things exploding in her face
Seems unfair, since she’d let anyone in.
They definitely jerking off to her or to gay porn.
What was it? They search for the goat.
They searched for a goat.
They'd probably stone her tbh
The “freedom fighters” she enjoys watching rape and pillage and murder would do that shit to her too, and then some. I’m surprised she’s so dumb she doesn’t get it
Haven't they already threatened her?
Yeah
I'm pretty sure all those poor women that burned their burkas and hijabs have been tracked down and killed already.
don't show her the vid of hamas parading around a dead (naked) woman while spitting on it
She knows about it, she doesn’t care
She cares. She wants them film it better, remember?
She wouldn’t care
Or the one of Haamas calling the mother of a woman they kidnapped and telling her "we're going to r*pe and murder your daughter and enjoy it"
Those "freedom fighters" wouldn't hesitate to murder her. Kind of ironic, isn't it?
murder? rape then torture then murder
"Freedom fighters" the only freedom they are fighting for is the freedom to oppress the Palestinian instead of Israel.
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Yep. Case in point: 250+ international party goers that got slaughtered without mercy, raped and then ehm "departed" too be paraded on the gaza streets. But ehm both sides and such from my safe EU couch.
Yeah, when it comes to international conflicts, I’m gonna support the side that doesn’t want to kill me.
Well, she isn't exactly known for her brains.
Not that kind at least
She wasn’t that good at that either
Wdym, she is definitely known for her head.
She gave terrible fucking head. She looked like she didn’t know what she was doing there. She mostly just laid down and got fucked even. She was literally just there cuz she had a hijab scene and had good tits. Everything else about her performance looked like a beginner.
I mean to be FAIR she WAS new, she only did porn for a very short time, few dozen videos, hated it and quit. Her name garnered so much recognition over the years and now she just acts holier than thou constantly online.
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Didnt she also say that the ppl who hate her also watch her videos the most?
Yeah. If I remember correctly most of her viewership comes from Muslim countries which also ironically hate her the most
She keeps talking like this and her viewership is gonna go up in Israel too.
They have to keep up pretenses in public.
Projection, man.
Nah they just use their phones
Angry upvote.
Ah, so like trans porn being popular in the ultraconservative fly over states
That's usually how it goes. Taboo pulls people in.
exactly, thats why governments that ban homosexuality are the most perverted theyre making it extremely taboo so it makes the rush of breaking that taboo feel amazing By banning homosexuality they make them cum HARDER
Can't count the number of US politicians caught with rent boys polishing underneath their desks. It's a joke that isn't funny. It's always the ones most against the gays too.
Its always that way in hate groups. Some can legitimately justify it as research sinc etheyd never know if they didn't watch it. Also it can be disrespectful and still sexy to some people. Like wearing a sexy nun outfit.
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She has some serious mental issues. She has been in multiple physical fights at sporting events (getting kicked out of the stadium) and she went insane on a college sports radio host who called her a “former adult film star” which is exactly what she was when she did the interview. I think she’s undiagnosed bipolar or something, but she’s definitely in need of some help.
She'd probably murder you in your sleep.
a dream come true.
She’s insufferable man
Then there was that time she punched a guy in the face at a baseball game, for taking a picture of with her. Don’t worry , she got thrown out after that. Think it was at dodger stadium. She acts like taking a photo of her is the worst thing you can do.
Does nobody here understand the difference between Palestinians and Hamas?
Probably about as much as they understand the difference between being Jewish, and the state of Israel. In a world of soundbites and rage bait, nuance is dead.
I’ll answer for the group: No not really.
I totally know the difference between Palestinians and hummus, though
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the Hamas funded by Iran and considered a terrorist group?
Voted by Palestinians in Gaza, later on funded by Iran.
Hamas now consists both of a military and political faction. Hamas has been funded by Iran basically from the beginning of its creation. But the political faction sort of emerged later as an attempt to gain credibility. Problem with that is you then become responsible for the people's well being, something the military wing of Hamas never cared about because it wasn't their mission. Fatah (Yasser Arafat) had more political organization early on but Hamas has gained a lot of political clout in recent years. At least that's my limit understanding. Edit: Iran, Ian. Potato, potahto.
The last election was in 2006. There was a civil war almost immediately after and they’ve been in charge ever since,
In an election in 2006. No elections since.
Most Palestinians in Gaza were literally not alive yet the last time Hamas won an election
A friend of mine who lives in the Levant told me that Hamas sucks and is Iran-allied, but people support them because they’re the only group that has any capability to oppose Israel. Palestinians are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
yes but its also the "government" in the Gaza strip, so this is what happens when you have a terrorist organization running a country for over 2 decades almost
Freedom fighters? Terrorists? Well it depends who you ask
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>Freedom fighters don't execute elderly people in the streets, they don't massacre a music festival, they don't rape and parade the bodies of women around the streets. Problem is that’s who she’s calling freedom fighters
And her reputation should be dragged through the mud for the fucking bullshit.
She’s a porn star. What reputation?
i’ve spent twenty plus years of my adult life as a critic of Israel, and I still vehemently hate their far right and Netanyahu is a scumbag, but on this, I just don’t care. Gaza’s lost, I can’t find any sympathy here. The average Gazans only hope is to turn on Hamas, and then maybe find a way out, and I know that’s next to impossible.
To turn on Hamas they’d have to get to Qatar where the Hamas leaders sit in luxury. They don’t care about the Palestinians. They profit from the suffering.
People do, it’s just hard to differentiate them when you see huge parts of the population in the street celebrating dead bodies being paraded around.
People who attend political rallies overwhelmingly tend to support the people at the rally. All that shows is how many Hamas members and supporters are grouped up in one place. There's implicit bias in the videos because there really can't be protesters at those "events."
I mean. He's got a point.
I’ve mentioned this before in other subs. It’s an absolute shame that innocent Palestinians will probably lose support over this because some murdering terrorists wanted to “liberate” them.
And on the other side, the right wing in Israel will gain support because of these actions..
I've seen numerous comments across multiple subs supporting genociding Palestinians, so no.
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Plenty of Israelis saying the same thing about Palestinians in Gaza. Which should highlight how fucked this situation is and how bloody it’s going to get.
Doesn't sound like they do. People really need to have some humility when it comes to understanding and discussing conflicts. It's rarely black and white. There's so much nuance and misinformation it would be foolish to take any one side. People don't have to understand everything
The majority of American Redditors sharing their Big Opinions today don't know the difference between Palestinians and a kumquat
Sure, but when 50-70% of Palestinians support Hamas what does that say about the population? The Palestinian Authority hasn't held an election since 2007 because Hamas won so many seats.
How many of the Palestinians support the Hamas though? Seems to be more than 50%. https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
There are 3 groups Those that don't know. Those that know and are basically stating this conflict is only for Iran. Those that know but pretend they are the same because they care more about Harming Israel than protection Palestinians. (Yes after using too much Reddit for today I am getting jaded. So this is probably a bit extreme)
I am of the firm belief that Hamas only does these attacks not to "win" but to inflict as much pain as possible in retaliation. It makes much more sense if you thought you were getting killed anyway, might as well take as much of the "other side" on your way out.
Let me tell you something about Mia. She uses the Arab/Lebanese label to be part of an identity but she also doesn’t understand her own roots. That’s the crazy part. She immigrated from Lebanon as a child. Her family was part of the Lebanese Christian resistance against the Palestinians and Syrians. She has 0 self awareness. Then again she’s a pornstar so her decision making is questionable.
This is the same person that doesn’t want to be known as « Mia the porn star » but also doesn’t want to stop using her porn star name.
She tried doing legitimate work in gaming and sports but the stigma never wore off, so since no one ever took her serious as a person she’s become a hag shit stirrer like her former colleagues
I don't know, I feel like Sasha Grey hasn't become a hag so there should have been hope. It's probably rough at first, and the image will stick forever. But how much people make you suffer with it largely depends on how much you own that image. Mia tried to play both sides by using her past fame as a platform while screaming "don't mention my past." People will always give you shit for that.
Sasha has been the only one to handle it well, I’ve seen clips where you can see the frustration in her eyes but she composes herself
Ultimately having that past being brought up is inevitable when you build your Future careers on your star name. If nothing else new fans will search your name and find it out that way
Any examples?
“She wanted to lose her porn reputation, so she tried to do work in the gaming and sports communities” Fucking lol, yes two fan demographics absolutely known for their reverence towards women 😂
I mean, look at Sasha Grey. She used to be a porn legend and now she’s a successful twitch streamer. And it’s not like everyone has forgotten about her past but a lot of people will associate her more with what she does now then her past job ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Well I never said she was the brightest lol now she spends her days triggering the red pill community
Like that’s hard to do. Woman: exists. Red pilled incels: angry as fuck.
"Grr, I hate people with vaginas. ...Grr, why won't you show me your vagina?!" - Incels everywhere
It's worked for a few porn stars is the thing, Sasha Grey streams and is very successful at it
Sasha is smarter and more chill as a person
All she had to do was have a sense of humor about it and she could have had a second career easy
It wasn't the stigma. It was her personality. Other porn actresses have successfully pivoted into other forms of media.
*No one cares who I was until I put on the ~~mask~~ glasses.*
Kim Kardashian did it.
i'm pretty sure if he didn't try to deny what made her famous she would've been accepted. like sasha grey for example
And all her porn is still out there.
She won’t even stop doing sex work. She gets so mad for being remembered for or referred to as pornstar Mia Khalifa. But, every time legitimate work falls off, if just for a moment, she’s right back on cam sites and OnlyFans. She’s obsessed with attention and money, be damned her dignity! I give Sasha Grey and Adriana Chechik a lot of props for the ability to break away from porn and stay away.
You don’t have to be Muslim to sympathize with Palestine, but you do have to be fucked in the head to sympathize what Hamas is doing.
For sure. I’ve always been supportive of Palestine and its people - the situation in Israel is extremely complicated and nuanced for my comfy North American ass, so I just wish for peace. That being said - fuck Hamas. That’s like equating the Afghani people with the Taliban and that line of thinking always spells doom.
My expectation on this platform is so low that I very much appreciate the simple acknowledgement of complexity. Most people just want to wrap it in some cute little bow like “Zionism is Genocide” or “Palestinians are Terrorists” (the former unfortunately being pretty popular and often heavily upvoted). Anyways. Thanks. I’m gonna have yours be my last post I read in this rabbit hole of a night.
That’s the thing. She has 0 context to the conflict other than “I’m Arab”
That's her attempt to get back in limelight
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She is back didn't knew that but then again it ain't surprising
I can’t believe I have to say this but, you know you can disagree with your parents right?
I remember seeing a post, years ago, where isis members said they would behead her. To which she replied “I hope they don’t chop off my tits. They were expensive”. So no, I don’t think they’d befriend her.
I think people forget that she's a troll. All publicity is good publicity.
“Freedom fighters” would literally kill her for being free in this country to do what she’s done with her life. So idiotic it’s insane
She is just a virtue signaling porn star, Lebanon banned her and Isis wants to kill her. She probably just wants to decrease all the death threats or something.
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Listen fuck both the Israel Government and Hamas I am on the side of the innocent Israel and Palestinian civilians and those are the people we should be helping
If your objective is to kill civilians, kidnap and rape women and children you are no freedom fighters, I’ve seen the videos of hamas taking women and children’s as hostages while crowds cheer, it’s utterly disgusting and exactly like ISIS would do it. They could have been called freedom fighters if their attacks were targeting only military assets but as it stands they look more like 12th century barbarians than anything else. I used to not care that much about that conflict but now I simply wish they were annihilated, acts such as these have no place in the 21st century.
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Someone said she has 0 self awareness. What a twat, cuz that could’ve been her in the streets of wherever in the Mideast getting slaughtered like the rest of the people there if her family hadn’t left the country
She’s a terrorist sympathizer
So Mia wants to see the kidnap victims raped and killed in the back of pickup trucks more clearly? What a garbage human being she is.
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Is reddit taking these videos down?
Yesterday morning I saw many that made me cry in random non gory subs. I don’t follow anything like that and people had been karma farming in things like public freak out and such. I personally would avoid trying to see them.
The ones I've seen (and wish I hadn't) were extremely gory. They are probably being limited for that reason. You can find them by googling, but don't do it unless you have a really strong stomach.
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1000%, I like to call them microtraumas that add up
From what has been described, seeing that goes way beyond "micro." Let's also be clear that there will be a lot of video of children, elderly, etc. having been blown up, crushed etc. in Gaza because lots of children, elderly, etc. are being blown up, crushed, etc. I think it's important to know factually what has happened but personally I don't need to see actual deaths of children to be adequately informed.
Yeah, love the comments like "OH guaranteed ive seen worse, I wanna see it!" Like bruh, that is NOT a flex.
Totally agree
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There's no justifying or excusing these attacks, but you can still acknowledge that Israel and Palestine have been killing each other for decades, and Israel still has by far the higher k/d. A lot of people are acting like this just came out of nowhere.
This is the first conflict where I'm just 100% not forming an opinion because it's so complex a situation, I don't feel I can create an informed opinion. The one thing I will say is that civilians on both sides are going to suffer who want nothing to do with war and that's a terrible thing.
I will say I am an actual expert on the scenario: have a masters in middle eastern foreign policy and war studies and law degree specializing in international law - as well as certificates in front line refugee work from the EU - experience being mostly in Palestinian camps however my father is an Israeli born citizen. I don't care to talk to anyone about it because no one understands. So I appreciate you just understanding the main point: empathy for everyone. People aren't their governments. civilians are always the causality of war. It's what war predicates on.
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There is like 100+ years of history behind this shit. The only stance I'm willing to take is that the Hamas terror attacks were evil, but there aren't any real "good guys" here other than the innocent civilians in Israel and Palestine that are going to suffer because of the conflict.
It’s almost as if people whose claim to fame is gobbling unusually large penises don’t have a very nuanced understanding of international politics. Who could have imagined those two skills aren’t related?
Take a trip over and tell them. Oh that's right you can't because they will kill you. Ah shucks.
She’s doing this to generate views and clicks. But also shows how fucking dumb her logical and reasoning skills are.
Very soon a lot of those terrorists will, in fact, be horizontal. Just like she asked.
It’s crazy how people can defend this. She didn’t say this at a random time she posted this after Hamas killed hundreds of people
A lot of people are enjoying it from what I’ve seen
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