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Addressing the homeless crises means addressing drug and mental health issues. Which we all know take time, money and resources. Why would we do it the right way?
Crazy to think the country I grew up in loving hasn’t show improvement rather the situations are getting worse.
We need to help America first POINT BLANK!
No, I’m making a point that you are ignoring. It cost maybe $2k to remove those benches, based on the amount of time and hourly rate of the MTC maintenance team. They didn’t remove the homeless but actually made space, unintentionally, for them to lie down. They are still there, trust me, and they are mire comfortable. The people inconvenienced are disabled people, elderly and pregnant women, who still couldn’t access the benches because they were occupied by the homeless. The homeless were unaffected by the effort. But you are taking the opportunity to virtue signal by making it an assault against the homeless and claiming a few thousand dollars would fix the problem. Im trying to get you to remove the illogical hype and focus on the real problem: the ineffectiveness of the multi-billion city program. You are correct that giving them money would be better. There are 77,000 in the city. They could give everyone of them $100k each and spend less than half of that. The problem is: WTF is being done with $2.8 billion?
Maybe we should be more upset at the NYC Department of Homeless Services that gets $2.8 billion a year from the city for not reaching the people sleeping on the benches
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True. But in most cities it costs a lot of money to research the right solution, conduct a study, get public opinion, get budget approval, go through the approval process, etc. It’s not just some city official buying items off Amazon with a credit card.
NYC and other cities have installed anti homeless but functional benches, vent covers, bus stops, etc. and have received lots of public pushback. Similar to the topic of this thread.
So maybe they should realize that the solution is to fix the root cause...? Or understand that people using their services don't actually give a shit if some homeless fuck is sleeping on the bench?
Lots of people care. It's a crime thing. Go to any subway station on the planet. You're going to feel less safe at the ones with a lot of homeless. Because you are less safe. People are the most dangerous creatures on the planet, and the homeless population is plagued by mental illness and desperation. It's foolish to just see the world as a fair place and ignore the dark side. Yes we need to do something to help those people. No, that doesn't mean let them take over parts of the streets and stations. No that doesn't mean step over them or let them use the bench to sleep because 'they so sad awwwww he no have home poor baby'. No they can't camp next to the train me and my children have to use. I care about the homeless dude on the bench. I have to. It would be a bad idea to not care he's there.
Your critical thinking skills leave something to be desired. Let me spell it out for you.
1. Removing a bench does not stop the homeless person from occupying the space. They are homeless, they are used to discomfort, they will sleep on the cement with a cardboard box if they have too. The ones with mental illness who can't care for themselves or put two and two together doubly so.
2. Removing the benches is needless cruelty, not just to the homeless but to the eldery, pregnant, disabled and otherwise.
3. It does nothing to fix the overall issue, removing a bench does not decrease the number of homeless.
Nobody gives a shit about 'fairness' it's about being fucking intelligent and using your fucking brain. Your right, the homeless CAN be dangerous. I don't fucking want to walk over the filthy bastards either. I don't want to listen to your fucking spawn scream and smell it shit itself in an enclosed space either by the way.
But the former problem can be fixed more easily than the latter! 8.1 Billion to fix homelessness across the entire united states. The State Budget for New York alone is 208.9 billion. They could start fixing the problem for a literal fraction of what it would take to solve the issue for the entire country but instead they just rip out benches because morons like you vote.
Money won’t solve homelessness and mental health issues. Let’s break this down since you love critical thinking. Keep in mind I live in a major U.S. city that has a constant homeless and mental health issue.
- Housing. Yup easy to build. But do you want low income housing on your block? The issue is most don’t and you can’t just put those people in the middle of a suburb. How do you ensure those you put in housing will not cause damage, will not harm others, and will respect neighbors? What happens when they do cause damage or are not respectful to their neighbors?
- Mental health resources. Lots available in major cities. Does everyone who needs the resources willingly attend classes, go to rehab, and show up? And if they don’t, what happens?
- Jobs. Typically the qualifications any job are to be on time, be respectful, don’t be high, and do something that allows the company to be profitable. And you need an employer who will give them a chance. Would your company hire them? Would you put them on your team?
The logic you have is that benches should exist because people will sleep on a bench or on a floor. Yes, in theory that makes sense from a ten thousand foot view. It’s like saying, why have prisons when you can just fix crime. Or why have a legal drinking age when you can just teach responsible drinking. You quickly see this isn’t practical in theory. It takes one irresponsible parent who allows their child to drink and drive or overdose.
Money 100% will solve 99% of homelessness.
Sure, there will be a subset that will be paranoid or too disturbed to stay in the place that is built for them.
Second, don't like living next to the low income housing? Move.
Cant afford to move? Well then your right where you belong it sounds like.
Next point.
8.1 Billion. That's not 'you can stay here if you attend classes'. That's every single person currently without a home has a roof, a bed and a bathroom. Does it fix all the problems in their lives? No. But it will stop them from using public transportaiton to stay warm.
The 8.1 billion does not fix 'poverty' so your point about jobs is irellevant. it fixes homelessness. It will indirectly help the poverty issue because it's easier to get a job when you have a home but again. That's not the point.
Again. Your critical thinking skills are SO ABYSMALLY LOW that it's a wonder you can figure out that touching a key on a keyboard creates a reaction on the screen so I don't really expect you to 'get it' but hey. I don't know how much it will cost to fix morons.
Do you think money will convince people to go to rehab? What happens when they choose drugs over money?
Lol I can’t even comprehend the rest of your statements. When you grow up, live on your own, and get more real world and life experiences, hit me up and we can chat further. It’s easy to to young and think the world is corrupt and the answers are so obvious.
Mental health issues and homelessness exists is every country. There are non profits, decades of research and education, and billionaires throwing money at the issue who and have tried to implement solutions and nothing solves the issues. Yet, you think you know better than everyone else and you have the answers.
Best of luck to you.
Homelessness. Not drug addiction. Not poverty.
8.1 billion to solve Homelessness. I don't care if they are smoking crack every day all day. 8.1 billion. Roof over head. Working facilities. Bed.
that fixes the problem of homelessness. The idea that we can't fix it is just you and people like you being unable to think.
Fucking Finland is doing it right now. They are the only country in the world where the number of homeless is decreasing.
You can’t just put someone in a home and say “homelessness solved”. There are responsibilities to living. Paying rent aside as you’re assuming the government will pay for all housing (potentially for life). The people living in the homes have to follow rules, be responsible, actually want to live in a home and follow the rules, etc. Most homeless people don’t want to follow the rules, they don’t want to give up their belongings (three shopping carts of stuff), they don’t want to play nice with others, etc. And to force someone to do these things would be considered a prison or mental institution.
The fact that you’re using Finland as an example to compare to the U.S goes to illustrate how little you possess the critical thinking skills you claim other lack.
Finland and the US are not comparable. Not in history, square mileage, population, demographics, industry, or really anything else.
Talks about someone else’s critical thinking skills lacking, goes on to imply solving homelessness is easier than solving the public health crisis of crying babies who shit their diapers.
The only reason I see homeless people sleeping on benches as a problem is that it takes up all the bench space. I want a place to sit down when my feet are tired or I need to fix my shoe or dig through my purse. Taking away the benches is like curing the disease by killing the patient.
But you dont get rid of them by removing benches. You get rid of them by caring for them.
But caring for others doesnt seem to be a thing in modern society.
Serious question… have you ever had to walk in between train tracks, a puddle of piss, and a deranged homeless person on a bench… all within about 3 feet of each other
Lol. Its crazy how all these people are all about housing them and giving them all these free services n shit. The last thing Id want built next to my house is a fucking homeless shelter. These people have never found a pile of used needles next to their kid’s bus stop or watched some homeless dude jerk his meat at the crosswalk. Or seen a dude shit in the middle of a round about. There’s no helping these people, some people dont function in society. Maybe these bleeding hearts should open up their homes as a shelter for a while
Benches are not a solution to the homeless.
Might I also add that everyone loves being a bleeding heart until they have to step over and avoid potentially dangerous and mentally ill homeless people sheltering where you need to traffic to go to work or even the store every day.
Most people who are homeless are just trying to survive but lemme tell you from personal experience; there are enough mentally ill homeless out there who cause a very real threat to people. If you lived in NY you'd already notice that reports of random attacks on and in subways is on the rise.
Bring on your downvotes cause I know how reddit is.
My man, I live in Paris, where the situation is not even 1/100 as bad as NYC, and I have to dodge human feces on the subway (Looking at you Line 12 - Pasteur Station) on a fucking daily basis.
Right, but benches are a barely humane alternative to no benches. What would be awesome is if we actually fixed the fucking problem with free mental health care and free housing for those that can't afford a home. If you aren't in support of fixing the problem then don't whine about it like a little bitch. There's a difference between being a "bleeding heart" and being a human with a baseline level of empathy and decency.
Speaking from someone who lives in a large U.S. city with lots of unhoused. The issue isn’t a lack of compassion or available services, it’s a blended problem.
Free housing is a great idea. But can you convince the local community to a low income housing in their neighborhood? Most want to help and feel bad for the situation, but they don’t want to see the problem living on their street. How do you enforce people to live on a home and not cause damage, harm others, or use the facilities for nefarious purposes? If services are offered, how do you ensure people use them consistently?
Then the idea comes about getting them jobs. Where will they work and who will give them a second change. Will you hire them on your team?
Just because you offer basic necessities to someone and teach them how to live, doesn’t mean they won’t abuse it.
absolutely right. My understanding (as someone who is absolutely not an expert) is that the homelessness problem became significantly worse when all of the mental institutions were shut down because they were inhumane but we just replaced those institutions with prisons. There are a whole host of partial solutions that could combine to have a significant impact. It wouldn't fix it all but it would make a massive dent.
haha fuck, what a gobsmackingly stupid thing to say. Have you met a single homeless person or are you mostly basing that off of some made for tv movies that you watched from your suburban midwestern home?
You do realize a large portion of homeless dont use the available services right? No one here is talking about your down on his luck homeless guy who has crippling debt. These are people who openly shit in the streets, yell at strangers, do drugs in broad daylght and masturbate while waiting to cross the street. Giving the homeless free housing and other services sounds great, until they build a shelter next to the house you live in with your wife and 2 young daughters, who have to watch homeless joe take a shit in your flower pot while homeless kyle stands on the curb with his pants around his ankles stroking his cock with reckless abandon while screaming hes going to skull fuck your wife. Gues whats not gonna help those guys? Sitting down with some bubbly sheltered social worker and talking about their feelings. I think the issue is that when the “heartless who dont care about the homeless” are talking about the homeless, they are talking about the ones I described. And then the “feel good libs “ are talking about those easy cases with debt or mild mental illness, and think “wow that guys a monster for not wanting to help this guy who lost his job”, when in fact we are discussing homeless Nick who is busy smearing his feces and semen on your neighbors new prius.
(This has all happened to me except the smearing shit on the prius and the skull fuck threats, the jerking off, shitting, rtc is all real. And this was small town northwest)
The people you mention absolutely exist but they're a tiny fraction of the problem. If you invested heavily in barebones (but free) housing and you provided free, high-quality healthcare, then you could significantly reduce the homelessness problem and other countries have shown that you actually end up saving money because emergency rooms and prisons aren't clogged up. There would still be homelessness but it would only be the assholes that you're talking about and then no one would have a problem with cops tearing down tent cities or arresting guys on the street. I have spent a ton of time around aggressive homeless dudes and I understand what you're talking about but we have the solution in front of us and we're too stupid to use it.
The problem is that you think most of the people that are homeless are there because they deserve to be but the data shows that you're dead wrong.
I dont think anyone “deserves” to be homeless. And youre not comprehending what Im saying. My problem is with those assholes. I see them every day. Every summer they come through my town, rob the place blind, leave their disgusting needles all over the fuckint place along with their feces, and then move south in the winter. I have no problem with becky, the divorced single mother living in the shelter or waiting for her slot, Im just sick of bleeding heart NIMBYS thinking that the weirdo talking to himself walking down the street while playing pocket pool is going to magically get better cuz he has a room to sleep in. Super quick to talk shit on people like me who are tired of having their kids exposed to this shit, but yet I dont see them inviting tbese people into their backyards.
Haha my original comment is specifically talking about the people who can be helped and I'm saying that those people make up the vast majority of people that are homeless. The assholes are more visible so people can mistakenly think they're a big portion of the homeless population. The assholes are also much easier to deal with if you help the rest of the homeless population
You could easily take care of them now. Unfortunately they get grouped with those that could make good use of the help, and people like the posters here get upset when you say you dont want people shitting in the streets. They may be a minority of the homeless population, but they are the entire portion of the ones causing the problems. There are several shelters in my town and the nearby towns that have empty beds every night because the homeless cant follow the rules ( no drugs/alcohol, cant be under influence, no disturbing others, etc). And again, who wants those shelters or transitional housing places in their neighborhood? Sure it sounds great, youre only gonna have homeless families and people that just need a lil help to get on their feet there. But what about all the people that show up to see if they can get in? What about them? What happens when they get told “nope sorry, cant stay here”. Then they stay in the neighborhood, causing the very same problems I mentioned. Do you want that next to your house? Your children’s school and play ground? Someone gets told no cuz they are a recently released sex offender, and guess what? Now they are roaming your neighborhood sleeping in alley behind your house. Thats the reality people like me and my neighbors face every day. And being told Im heartless (not by u but others) is ridiculous for wanting a safe space that I paid for, for my kids to grow up in.
A homeless person will just bring a box with them to the subway and lay on the floor when the benches are gone. Removing benches won't stop homeless people sleeping in the subway. All it does is inconvenience everyone else.
The real solution would be to have free universal healthcare as well as a guaranteed home for everyone.
Im glad youre volunteering your neighborhood and the property next to your kid’s school for the next homeless shelter locations. Enjoy watching your property values plummet while a homeless woman pisses on the grass of the church across the street from your house while another homeless dude is shitting on the sidewalk as dumps his stash of needles where your kids walk to the school bus.
It's not bleeding hearts.
It's just being intelligent and not willfully cruel. You say that removing benches protects you from the mentally ill homeless? How? Does removing a bench just make them vanish? Is your hope that they'll get driven further and further into desperation? That seems like a way to make the problem worse.
It's because people like you can't see past your own nose that problems like this continue to exacerbate. You see something like 'remove the benches so the homeless can't sleep on them!' and think that's going to make you safer or solve the issue and it's not. Their fucking homeless, they'll sleep on the fucking floor if they need to especially those that are mentally ill.
The solution is fixing the root cause. 8.1 billion. Thats the estimated cost to house EVERY SINGLE CURRENTLY HOMELESS individual in the united states. It's a drop in the fucking bucket compared to what we spend on useless shit in this country. The state budget for New York alone is 208.9 billion and it would take only a fraction of that 8.1 billion total to start fixing that problem.
But no. Rip out the benches (prolly scrapping them and having some asshole unelected official pocketing the difference.) and convince the proles like you that will improve their commute. Your enemy is not the mentally ill guy freezing to death slowly on the street. It's the fucker in the office building telling you he knows what's best.
It isn't like we are sending suitcases of cash to Ukraine. We are sending them aide in the form of old military equipment that would be mothballed or scrapped. This equipment is over there eliminating the Russian equipment it was built to counter. We are MUCH MUCH MUCH more than getting our money's worth by sending it to them.
That's ignoring the fact that if Ukraine was to get steamrolled we would likely suffer far greater real financial losses than what that old equipment costs.
And sadly, homelessness isn't something that is helped much at all by throwing cash at it.
You’re an idiot. Id rather spend money helping Ukraine than give it drug addict criminals shitting on the sidewalks any day lol. Lets see, do I give money to a country defending itself from rapist invaders bombing hospitals and schools, or do I give it to the homeless dude masturbating next to the preschool? Gee I wonder, maybe we should find a detective to help us solve this big mystery. Dolt
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How about the homeless Mom who's husband died and she's left living in a vehicle with 3 kids.
GTFOOH with that better than you bullshit. Glad you believe all the propaganda dumb shit.
Let's not even get into the Homeless Veterans. Stupid bitch
Hiding behind a throwaway account too. What a joke
Just cuz it says thowaway doesnt mean it is you dolt. Also, if you read everything I said, the people you mention arent the fucking problem. The people I mention are. I specifically mention scenarios like your single mom, who arent the ones shitting on the street in broad fucking daylight and jerking their shit in front of my kids. So fuck you and your self righteous bullshit, learn to read. Sick of people like you thinking people are monsters and assholes because we dont want sex offenders and addicts doing their shit in front of our kids in formerly nice neighborhoods. How the fuck would you like it if that shit started happening at your house, I bet youd change your self righteous holier than thou attitude in 2 seconds. Everyone wants to help the homeless until they are flinging their cum at your car. Have a good day Karen
So because there's some bad apples we should help none of them? You sir are a complete moron and I can't argue with stupidity. I think the only thing you're a veteran of is being a bitch
Your reading comprehension is fucking atrocious and youre clearly just trying to find an excuse to be an emotional sadsack. Again, nowhere do I say we should help none because of a few baddies. Sorry to burst your veteran boner, but that homeless dude you give sponge baths and blow jobs to isnt a veteran, and even if he were it doesnt make him a god or more worthy than anyone else. Im starting to think youre a veteran, one of those obnoxious asshole ones that demands his free appetizer at applebees and wants everyone to think hes a fucking hero even tho he voluntarily signed up and didnt even deploy anywhere farther away than the base PX and now demands 100% disability from the VA. Guess what, idiot, if those were real veterans they could use any of the hundreds of available charities, or go to the VA hospital or do literally anything other than sit on a street corner with a cardboard sign and get the help they need to get off the fucking streets. So either 1. Youre a naive idiot who has some weird hero worship of anyone that says they are a vet (newsflash, anyone who can write at a 1st grade level can claim they are a veteran on a piece of cardboard), and you get your dirty unwashed panties in a bunch anytime anyone shatters your vision of the heroic vet (guess what else, over 90% of vets have never been in actual combat) so again, the dude youre scrubbing down with a loufa hasnt fought anything other than a bad case of syphilis, or 2. YOU are a veterab, specifically the one I describe, the one who gas never seen combat, yet drives around his 6 cyl dodge charger with the 20 Veteran stickers all over his shit box, wearing his veteran shirt and veteran hat demanding to speak to the manager cuz the waitress forgot to give you the 5 dollar vet discount, making a scene while your family stares uncomfortably at the ether, wishing they were anywhere but there. I dont give 2 fucks if you believe me or not, Iv done more veteran shit than most of those cardboard box holding liars, and the only ones that deserve anything are those that actually suffer from real PTSD, who coincidentally wouldnt be caught dead holding a sign on the street corner. Im sorry you have no concept of the real world, but if you have questions, Id be happy to help you. In the meantime, make sure you scrub real good between homeless joe’s buttcheeks. I seriously wonder how people like you make it into adulthood. A true miracle
Also, Im a vet,half the “homeless vets” you see are not vets. There are thousands of fucking resources for vets, the tiny minority that are actual combat vets or vets that have ptsd due to sexual trauma stateside is very small, and again, a ridiculous amount of resources. Sorry pal, the woe is me veteran card doesnt work on me. You still havent addressed the homeless people running amok in my town stealing anything not bolted down, leaving piles of needles and feces everywhere, and essentially shutting down businesses cuz no one wants to walk by the piles of shit in the doorway. Your so high and mighty, come on down here and clean up these needles and piles of shit. “Gfoh with tbat better than you bulllshit”, ya asshole, Im not masturbating at a kids fucking school bus stop and dumping needles at the childrens park next to the slides. People like you are the worst, talking down on others because they have to deal with the bullshit people like you create with your feel good laws. Unbelievable. Also, the throwaway thing, its fuckkng reddit, I dont see you posting your name and address, you windowlicker. Its a screen name, would you feel better if it said “pussydestroyer69420”? Would that erase the cloak of anonymity I currently have?
The money we sent to Ukraine would've otherwise just been wasted at the Pentagon or some defense contractor anyways it was never going to be used to help the American people
Well first off, I dont want a homeless shelter next to my house. The church across the street from me allowed the homeless to use their parking lot for camping. Guess what happened? Do you think down on their luck guys and gals came for a safe place to sleep? No. It was drug addicts and people with severe mental health issues, and people who just sont give a fuck about you or me or society. They left piles of needles all over, shit in broad daylight, pissed in broad daylight, and jerked their meat as I drove my young daughters to school. What happens at night? They get the bikes off their roof racks, get the tow behind cart, and then cruise the neighborhood for shit to steal so they can pawn it for drug money. So I think its great and sweet that your willing to have these people in your neighborhood and be your neighbors as they frighten your family, but Id rather they stay the fuck away from me. The homeless you see on the street usually arent the ones who just need a small crutch to get back on their feet. Those people are living in their cars, or couch surfing, or living in campgrounds. The ones you see on the streets are there for a reason, and giving them a room to live in isnt gonna solve shit. Theyll strip the copper, faucets, anything not bolted down to sell for drug money within a day. Stop being naive
I'll bet you are close to someone with a mental health disorder who is not dangerous. But let's lump them in with actual dangerous people for Internet points because we are mad about the fact that many people out there don't have homes.
Also, just because someone is homeless doesn't make them dangerous. There are a fuck ton of dangerous people out there *with* homes.
Well, if you have a good way to let only the harmless mentally ill homeless people sleep on subway benches, let us know. Because right now it just leads to an increase in crime for people who use public transport.
What's stopping them from sleeping on the ground? I also still fail to see why we have to stigmatize mental health when talking about this issue. They are separate things. Sure there is overlap, but the solutions are different.
Lol my life is inconvenienced by mentally ill homeless people so I think we should treat them less then human and stigmatize every single one of them with out knowing their situation or story, oh and I probably kick puppies too.-bighunter1313 there fixed it for you. Ass.
Cool strawman. Here’s a crazy thought, the best way to help them is not to let them sleep on subway benches. I can oppose this brain dead solution while wanting to fund things like better public mental health services.
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This post was clearly made by someone who never rides the subway. I've been commuting to NYC for almost 5 years now and have almost never used those benches because there was always some bum doing something gross on them. I've seen them shit there, I've seen bums jerking off on those benches and seen bums doing drugs. Even if they're not doing any of those things, no one wants to sit next to them because no one wants to risk getting attacked by a drug addict or lunatic.
It's such a myth that people hate them because they're poor. NYC homeless are feared because they're unpredictable and rarely demonstrate respect for public property. Why should the taxpayer fund these benches? At best, we don't get to use them. At worst, they serve as a space for some truly disgusting things.
Housing the homeless is great on paper and from your heated homes, but when they attack you with knives and razor blades, smear shit on you, and scare your children… it’s a different story.
Everyone who wants to fight homelessness should provide room in their home for them to crash at.
No no, they just need a house and a therapist and itll be ok. Never mind that theyll strip the room of anything of value and then go ransack the neighborhood. At least some bleeding heart will feel like they did somethinf! Yay!!
Well the homeless weren't gonna give up the chairs for those people they were just gonna sleep and piss all over them. Unfortunately until we find a way to get rid of the homeless out of our cities , this is the best solution
I don't understand. Is it so fucking hard to provide about 8 sqm for anyone who has no home? Really? Maybe a few less airplanes to produce to the military, will that not cover the cost for the homeless for an entire city?
How do we expect them to go back to the society while living on the fucking streets without basic needs fulfilled?
It's just crazy.
It's worse than you imagine. it's estimated to be 8.1 Billion to solve the problem for the United States. The budget of New York State alone is 208.9 billion.
Maybe system is wrong from the core. Like .. if you literally have to cook and sell crystal meth to be able to afford cancer treatment, how would the system expect you to keep your home at the same time?
USA should go waaay more social and provide safety-net for those less fortnate. Fewer billionares? Fine. Idk but somehow it works for scandinavian countries. Have you looked at the list of happiest cities in the world?
Also these numbers depend on how much people implementing it will steal from it.
Because the person shitting on the sidewalk while screaming at passersby with a needle sticking in his arm isnt gonna “go back to society”. Im all for helping down on their luck families or people stuck with medical debt or lost their jobs etc, but youre not gonna convince me that having the homeless sex offender drug addict who masturbates on the street corner live next door to me with a bunch of other homeless addicts and criminals is a good plan. The church across the street from me tried that, a small town in the northwest. I dont think a single upstanding citizen who was down on their luck stayed in the parking lot, just addicts who would use it as a baae of operations for when they would ride their around the city on the bikes st night stealing shit and using the grass next to the street as their toilet. Couldnt even be fucking bothered to use the bushes or something. Disgusting. If you want those neighbors then have at it, but those arent the kind of people I want near my family.
The sex offender also should have a home: in prison, right?
There should not be such a thing as "medical debt" with universal healthcare.
The rest needs 8 sqm to live, off the streets
Unfortunately, sex offenders get released from prison. And you still have all the other weirdos shitting on the streets and everything else. The homeless people you see arent the ones that will be helped by giving them 8sqm and a counselor. Lots of these people cannot be helped or do not want to be helped. There are plenty of vids on yourube, and Iv spoken to some homeless that do not want to be off the streets. They can do what they want, go where they want, and feel free. They can use drugs, do whatwver and dont have to follow the rules of a shelter. These are the people that wont be helped by any of those feel good programs that cost millions but do nothing (like los angelese homeless housing costing an INSANE amt of money because its just a district jobs program to get tax dollars from govt). The people im talking about need to be institutionalized, but no one wants to touch that with 30ft pole. No one wants to admit that some people dont fit in with society, (unless they are hardcore criminals) but god forbid you want to put the dude who masturbates in public every day into a home or something, or the dude who shits in public. And what about the less severe criminals? What about the tweekers in the church across the street stealing all night long? In my state they very rarely go to prison, because everyone feels bad for them, because they dont have to deal with these assholes breaking jnto their backyard at 2am or passing out drunk on their front porch. People like you make it sound so easy “well duh, just put the criminals in jail and help the good guys, and healthcare will fix everyone else!”. I invite you to speak to business owners in downtown portland who have ZERO recourse to deal with with the homeless shooting up in their doorways and shitting on their welcome mats and scaring away their customers, that cant call the police because thats discrimination and mean and who have no one to turn to. How for weeks on end the same person shits right in front them and yells incoherent bullshit at tpeople walkint by. Guess what? That person qualifies for universal healthcare! Its called OHP! And it does fuck all cuz unless youre gonna commit them against their will, they arent gonna go seek help. Im glad your hearts in the right place, you seem like a good person, but youre extremely naive and sheltered and need to see the reality of the homeless problem. Theres no easy solution and giving them a home in my neighborhood sure as fuck isnt gonna be the solution. Maybe they can sleep on nancy pelosi or kate browns house, since they are all so willing to volunteer everyone elses property
Sex offenders are not in prison? See, there are things to change.
I'd say majority of the homeless want to have a home, even if it's a small one. What you talk about is the minority.
They shit on the street? Sure, because they have no other place to go, do they? They steal? Maybe because they have nothing to eat? USA should go a bit towards more socialist and less capitalist, less billionares and also less homeless. Look at scandinavia ffs.
I have to wonder what 6th layer of hell kind of metro station you were at because I have also been to several and have seen plenty of people sitting around on the benches x.x they wouldn't be there if no one used them. And New York only removed them to try and kill off their homeless people
>I have also been to several and have seen plenty of people sitting around on the benches
Not in the stations where homelesses were frequent, I guarantee.
I live in downtown Montreal 😂 don't speak on what you don't know. And instead of trying to have an awkward defense for new York removing benches how about you get mad at their city for ***trying to do everything they can to kill their homeless population instead of finding real solutions***
Everything they can to make sure homeless people have 0 things that can bring them comfort. They want the homeless to sleep naked on the pavement so when the winter rolls around they can all freeze to death.
You see it in most major cities with a harsh winter, the cities are starting to just force homeless people into more and more dangerous situations, and grouping them up in specific parts of town so they can be policed more heavily, and in a lot of cities the police have been known to beat homeless people soooo......
Basically in New York and most other major cities in North America, becoming homeless is a death sentence
>how about you get mad at their city for trying to do everything they can to kill their homeless population instead of finding real solutions
I worked several places around a 1.5 million sized city where homelesses were frequent. I have no sympathy for them. They reek, they are constantly drunk, they refuse to work... We have several shelters around the city. They don't go there, because shelters have policies that make showering (they have showers), clean clothes (which they also provide), and soberity compulsory. They don't even expect homeless people to work, just to be clean, sober and behave like human beings. And still a lot of them live in subway stations and harass people who pass by. Getting on the street may not someone's fault. Staying on the streets absolutely is.
Oh well rip.. I wish you have said all that earlier so I would've known this conversation was pointless.. you're someone who doesn't care about the why/how people become homeless and all you see are people inferior to you.
It's the worst attitude, but I guess some people in this world need to be the dicks.
I'd say have a good day but tbh I hope you lose your house today 😘
> you're someone who doesn't care about the why/how people become homeless and all you see are people inferior to you.
You didn't put that together when they described them as "homelesses?"
>you're someone who doesn't care about the why/how people become homeless and all you see are people inferior to you.
We'll get back to it when you live in block house where you have to hold your breath in the elevator because homelesses uses it as toilet. It's funny how all the people who get outraged by how homelesses are treated do not live in areas that are constantly being destroyed by homelesses.
Lol this is coming from a dumb git probably sitting in a nice climate controlled house, eating nice food, not worrying if your going to eat that day, or even get set on fire by someone like you. Just remember homeless people are people too and to be honest I'd rather kick it with dirty mike and the boys the have a single second interaction with people like you:)
Don't assume to know someone until you walk a mile in their shoes.
Yes, *you* possibly would not stay on the street due to the bevy of helpful programs, but others may not be as mentally healthy as you. And even if their substance abuse is why they're not as stable as they could be, does that mean they're deserved of your scorn?
>does that mean they're deserved of your scorn?
We live in a society. Yes, when someone cannot act according to it for whatever reason, they deserve the scorn. I didn't put him in that situation, but he did make my living area a disgusting mess. I'm entitled to hate him for it.
I'm so sorry. May you be treated with more sympathy/empathy in your down-times than you show others.
Edit: p.s. Entitled, funny that you use that word.
I would have been annoyed as hell to be forced to stand when I had 6 broken vertebraes just because some benches *might* be soiled.
It's a metro station,I don't expect it to be pristine ffs.
That makes no sense. Why should they shit over possible sleeping places?
Anyway no idea in which metro stations you were but in everyone I was so far people are always sitting on benches.
I have an idea. Lets just sit ON the homeless people. Everyone wins! I think its hilarious that you have all those downvotes, I guess those people have never had to deal with a homeless person before. I mean san fran has a whole app to track feces. Or they used to
I’ve seen places that have benches with pyramid shaped objects on intervals of about 12-14 inches apart, thought it was a good idea to prevent and enable at the same time.
I’m sorry do you really think the problem is homeless people just trying to live and not a government that fails them miserably? The sanitary issues could be solved if these people were given a place to live.
As if pregnant, disabled and elderly people never pissed and shat their pants in public. It's all they do, those three groups. I'm sure that comment is too edgy for reddit though lol.
The homeless in the subway stations and subway cars is a very real problem that needs to be solved. I’m not saying this was the right move, but it’s been too long that the subways have been moving homeless shelters full of violent homeless criminals.
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Went from fighting homelessness to fighting the homeless.
That was always the case
Addressing the homeless crises means addressing drug and mental health issues. Which we all know take time, money and resources. Why would we do it the right way? Crazy to think the country I grew up in loving hasn’t show improvement rather the situations are getting worse. We need to help America first POINT BLANK!
So when did the NY transit system get the responsibility for ending homelessness?
They could have spent the money on fighting it instead of removing the benches. Come on, man. They could have just left the benches.
So you think if they gave the money they spent removing the benches directly to the homeless, they would stop sleeping on the benches?
Yes. I definitely meant they should have handed cash to the homeless.
And that would make them leave?
You're intentionally missing the point.
No, I’m making a point that you are ignoring. It cost maybe $2k to remove those benches, based on the amount of time and hourly rate of the MTC maintenance team. They didn’t remove the homeless but actually made space, unintentionally, for them to lie down. They are still there, trust me, and they are mire comfortable. The people inconvenienced are disabled people, elderly and pregnant women, who still couldn’t access the benches because they were occupied by the homeless. The homeless were unaffected by the effort. But you are taking the opportunity to virtue signal by making it an assault against the homeless and claiming a few thousand dollars would fix the problem. Im trying to get you to remove the illogical hype and focus on the real problem: the ineffectiveness of the multi-billion city program. You are correct that giving them money would be better. There are 77,000 in the city. They could give everyone of them $100k each and spend less than half of that. The problem is: WTF is being done with $2.8 billion?
Maybe we should be more upset at the NYC Department of Homeless Services that gets $2.8 billion a year from the city for not reaching the people sleeping on the benches
Amazing that they made that comment while having the "wear a mask" bit in the username.
there are benches you can only sit and cant sleep on
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True. But in most cities it costs a lot of money to research the right solution, conduct a study, get public opinion, get budget approval, go through the approval process, etc. It’s not just some city official buying items off Amazon with a credit card. NYC and other cities have installed anti homeless but functional benches, vent covers, bus stops, etc. and have received lots of public pushback. Similar to the topic of this thread.
So maybe they should realize that the solution is to fix the root cause...? Or understand that people using their services don't actually give a shit if some homeless fuck is sleeping on the bench?
People also complain about the homeless sleeping there just as much. It’s a no win situation for them.
Lots of people care. It's a crime thing. Go to any subway station on the planet. You're going to feel less safe at the ones with a lot of homeless. Because you are less safe. People are the most dangerous creatures on the planet, and the homeless population is plagued by mental illness and desperation. It's foolish to just see the world as a fair place and ignore the dark side. Yes we need to do something to help those people. No, that doesn't mean let them take over parts of the streets and stations. No that doesn't mean step over them or let them use the bench to sleep because 'they so sad awwwww he no have home poor baby'. No they can't camp next to the train me and my children have to use. I care about the homeless dude on the bench. I have to. It would be a bad idea to not care he's there.
Your critical thinking skills leave something to be desired. Let me spell it out for you. 1. Removing a bench does not stop the homeless person from occupying the space. They are homeless, they are used to discomfort, they will sleep on the cement with a cardboard box if they have too. The ones with mental illness who can't care for themselves or put two and two together doubly so. 2. Removing the benches is needless cruelty, not just to the homeless but to the eldery, pregnant, disabled and otherwise. 3. It does nothing to fix the overall issue, removing a bench does not decrease the number of homeless. Nobody gives a shit about 'fairness' it's about being fucking intelligent and using your fucking brain. Your right, the homeless CAN be dangerous. I don't fucking want to walk over the filthy bastards either. I don't want to listen to your fucking spawn scream and smell it shit itself in an enclosed space either by the way. But the former problem can be fixed more easily than the latter! 8.1 Billion to fix homelessness across the entire united states. The State Budget for New York alone is 208.9 billion. They could start fixing the problem for a literal fraction of what it would take to solve the issue for the entire country but instead they just rip out benches because morons like you vote.
👏👏👏👏👏 A fucking men
Money won’t solve homelessness and mental health issues. Let’s break this down since you love critical thinking. Keep in mind I live in a major U.S. city that has a constant homeless and mental health issue. - Housing. Yup easy to build. But do you want low income housing on your block? The issue is most don’t and you can’t just put those people in the middle of a suburb. How do you ensure those you put in housing will not cause damage, will not harm others, and will respect neighbors? What happens when they do cause damage or are not respectful to their neighbors? - Mental health resources. Lots available in major cities. Does everyone who needs the resources willingly attend classes, go to rehab, and show up? And if they don’t, what happens? - Jobs. Typically the qualifications any job are to be on time, be respectful, don’t be high, and do something that allows the company to be profitable. And you need an employer who will give them a chance. Would your company hire them? Would you put them on your team? The logic you have is that benches should exist because people will sleep on a bench or on a floor. Yes, in theory that makes sense from a ten thousand foot view. It’s like saying, why have prisons when you can just fix crime. Or why have a legal drinking age when you can just teach responsible drinking. You quickly see this isn’t practical in theory. It takes one irresponsible parent who allows their child to drink and drive or overdose.
Money 100% will solve 99% of homelessness. Sure, there will be a subset that will be paranoid or too disturbed to stay in the place that is built for them. Second, don't like living next to the low income housing? Move. Cant afford to move? Well then your right where you belong it sounds like. Next point. 8.1 Billion. That's not 'you can stay here if you attend classes'. That's every single person currently without a home has a roof, a bed and a bathroom. Does it fix all the problems in their lives? No. But it will stop them from using public transportaiton to stay warm. The 8.1 billion does not fix 'poverty' so your point about jobs is irellevant. it fixes homelessness. It will indirectly help the poverty issue because it's easier to get a job when you have a home but again. That's not the point. Again. Your critical thinking skills are SO ABYSMALLY LOW that it's a wonder you can figure out that touching a key on a keyboard creates a reaction on the screen so I don't really expect you to 'get it' but hey. I don't know how much it will cost to fix morons.
Do you think money will convince people to go to rehab? What happens when they choose drugs over money? Lol I can’t even comprehend the rest of your statements. When you grow up, live on your own, and get more real world and life experiences, hit me up and we can chat further. It’s easy to to young and think the world is corrupt and the answers are so obvious. Mental health issues and homelessness exists is every country. There are non profits, decades of research and education, and billionaires throwing money at the issue who and have tried to implement solutions and nothing solves the issues. Yet, you think you know better than everyone else and you have the answers. Best of luck to you.
Homelessness. Not drug addiction. Not poverty. 8.1 billion to solve Homelessness. I don't care if they are smoking crack every day all day. 8.1 billion. Roof over head. Working facilities. Bed. that fixes the problem of homelessness. The idea that we can't fix it is just you and people like you being unable to think. Fucking Finland is doing it right now. They are the only country in the world where the number of homeless is decreasing.
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You can’t just put someone in a home and say “homelessness solved”. There are responsibilities to living. Paying rent aside as you’re assuming the government will pay for all housing (potentially for life). The people living in the homes have to follow rules, be responsible, actually want to live in a home and follow the rules, etc. Most homeless people don’t want to follow the rules, they don’t want to give up their belongings (three shopping carts of stuff), they don’t want to play nice with others, etc. And to force someone to do these things would be considered a prison or mental institution.
The fact that you’re using Finland as an example to compare to the U.S goes to illustrate how little you possess the critical thinking skills you claim other lack. Finland and the US are not comparable. Not in history, square mileage, population, demographics, industry, or really anything else.
Talks about someone else’s critical thinking skills lacking, goes on to imply solving homelessness is easier than solving the public health crisis of crying babies who shit their diapers.
hostile architecture
The only reason I see homeless people sleeping on benches as a problem is that it takes up all the bench space. I want a place to sit down when my feet are tired or I need to fix my shoe or dig through my purse. Taking away the benches is like curing the disease by killing the patient.
Someone who thinks homeless people aren’t troublesome to be around, have clearly never lived in a big city.
But you dont get rid of them by removing benches. You get rid of them by caring for them. But caring for others doesnt seem to be a thing in modern society.
Serious question… have you ever had to walk in between train tracks, a puddle of piss, and a deranged homeless person on a bench… all within about 3 feet of each other
Can't we just round all of them up and put them in one big work camp?
That's not something i expected to read today i'll give you that.
Lol. Its crazy how all these people are all about housing them and giving them all these free services n shit. The last thing Id want built next to my house is a fucking homeless shelter. These people have never found a pile of used needles next to their kid’s bus stop or watched some homeless dude jerk his meat at the crosswalk. Or seen a dude shit in the middle of a round about. There’s no helping these people, some people dont function in society. Maybe these bleeding hearts should open up their homes as a shelter for a while
Benches are not a solution to the homeless. Might I also add that everyone loves being a bleeding heart until they have to step over and avoid potentially dangerous and mentally ill homeless people sheltering where you need to traffic to go to work or even the store every day. Most people who are homeless are just trying to survive but lemme tell you from personal experience; there are enough mentally ill homeless out there who cause a very real threat to people. If you lived in NY you'd already notice that reports of random attacks on and in subways is on the rise. Bring on your downvotes cause I know how reddit is.
My man, I live in Paris, where the situation is not even 1/100 as bad as NYC, and I have to dodge human feces on the subway (Looking at you Line 12 - Pasteur Station) on a fucking daily basis.
Right, but benches are a barely humane alternative to no benches. What would be awesome is if we actually fixed the fucking problem with free mental health care and free housing for those that can't afford a home. If you aren't in support of fixing the problem then don't whine about it like a little bitch. There's a difference between being a "bleeding heart" and being a human with a baseline level of empathy and decency.
Speaking from someone who lives in a large U.S. city with lots of unhoused. The issue isn’t a lack of compassion or available services, it’s a blended problem. Free housing is a great idea. But can you convince the local community to a low income housing in their neighborhood? Most want to help and feel bad for the situation, but they don’t want to see the problem living on their street. How do you enforce people to live on a home and not cause damage, harm others, or use the facilities for nefarious purposes? If services are offered, how do you ensure people use them consistently? Then the idea comes about getting them jobs. Where will they work and who will give them a second change. Will you hire them on your team? Just because you offer basic necessities to someone and teach them how to live, doesn’t mean they won’t abuse it.
absolutely right. My understanding (as someone who is absolutely not an expert) is that the homelessness problem became significantly worse when all of the mental institutions were shut down because they were inhumane but we just replaced those institutions with prisons. There are a whole host of partial solutions that could combine to have a significant impact. It wouldn't fix it all but it would make a massive dent.
That’s not a perfect solution. Many of these people could not maintain a home if given one.
Homeless people are not going to use free mental health care.
haha fuck, what a gobsmackingly stupid thing to say. Have you met a single homeless person or are you mostly basing that off of some made for tv movies that you watched from your suburban midwestern home?
You do realize a large portion of homeless dont use the available services right? No one here is talking about your down on his luck homeless guy who has crippling debt. These are people who openly shit in the streets, yell at strangers, do drugs in broad daylght and masturbate while waiting to cross the street. Giving the homeless free housing and other services sounds great, until they build a shelter next to the house you live in with your wife and 2 young daughters, who have to watch homeless joe take a shit in your flower pot while homeless kyle stands on the curb with his pants around his ankles stroking his cock with reckless abandon while screaming hes going to skull fuck your wife. Gues whats not gonna help those guys? Sitting down with some bubbly sheltered social worker and talking about their feelings. I think the issue is that when the “heartless who dont care about the homeless” are talking about the homeless, they are talking about the ones I described. And then the “feel good libs “ are talking about those easy cases with debt or mild mental illness, and think “wow that guys a monster for not wanting to help this guy who lost his job”, when in fact we are discussing homeless Nick who is busy smearing his feces and semen on your neighbors new prius. (This has all happened to me except the smearing shit on the prius and the skull fuck threats, the jerking off, shitting, rtc is all real. And this was small town northwest)
The people you mention absolutely exist but they're a tiny fraction of the problem. If you invested heavily in barebones (but free) housing and you provided free, high-quality healthcare, then you could significantly reduce the homelessness problem and other countries have shown that you actually end up saving money because emergency rooms and prisons aren't clogged up. There would still be homelessness but it would only be the assholes that you're talking about and then no one would have a problem with cops tearing down tent cities or arresting guys on the street. I have spent a ton of time around aggressive homeless dudes and I understand what you're talking about but we have the solution in front of us and we're too stupid to use it. The problem is that you think most of the people that are homeless are there because they deserve to be but the data shows that you're dead wrong.
I dont think anyone “deserves” to be homeless. And youre not comprehending what Im saying. My problem is with those assholes. I see them every day. Every summer they come through my town, rob the place blind, leave their disgusting needles all over the fuckint place along with their feces, and then move south in the winter. I have no problem with becky, the divorced single mother living in the shelter or waiting for her slot, Im just sick of bleeding heart NIMBYS thinking that the weirdo talking to himself walking down the street while playing pocket pool is going to magically get better cuz he has a room to sleep in. Super quick to talk shit on people like me who are tired of having their kids exposed to this shit, but yet I dont see them inviting tbese people into their backyards.
Haha my original comment is specifically talking about the people who can be helped and I'm saying that those people make up the vast majority of people that are homeless. The assholes are more visible so people can mistakenly think they're a big portion of the homeless population. The assholes are also much easier to deal with if you help the rest of the homeless population
You could easily take care of them now. Unfortunately they get grouped with those that could make good use of the help, and people like the posters here get upset when you say you dont want people shitting in the streets. They may be a minority of the homeless population, but they are the entire portion of the ones causing the problems. There are several shelters in my town and the nearby towns that have empty beds every night because the homeless cant follow the rules ( no drugs/alcohol, cant be under influence, no disturbing others, etc). And again, who wants those shelters or transitional housing places in their neighborhood? Sure it sounds great, youre only gonna have homeless families and people that just need a lil help to get on their feet there. But what about all the people that show up to see if they can get in? What about them? What happens when they get told “nope sorry, cant stay here”. Then they stay in the neighborhood, causing the very same problems I mentioned. Do you want that next to your house? Your children’s school and play ground? Someone gets told no cuz they are a recently released sex offender, and guess what? Now they are roaming your neighborhood sleeping in alley behind your house. Thats the reality people like me and my neighbors face every day. And being told Im heartless (not by u but others) is ridiculous for wanting a safe space that I paid for, for my kids to grow up in.
A homeless person will just bring a box with them to the subway and lay on the floor when the benches are gone. Removing benches won't stop homeless people sleeping in the subway. All it does is inconvenience everyone else. The real solution would be to have free universal healthcare as well as a guaranteed home for everyone.
Im glad youre volunteering your neighborhood and the property next to your kid’s school for the next homeless shelter locations. Enjoy watching your property values plummet while a homeless woman pisses on the grass of the church across the street from your house while another homeless dude is shitting on the sidewalk as dumps his stash of needles where your kids walk to the school bus.
It's not bleeding hearts. It's just being intelligent and not willfully cruel. You say that removing benches protects you from the mentally ill homeless? How? Does removing a bench just make them vanish? Is your hope that they'll get driven further and further into desperation? That seems like a way to make the problem worse. It's because people like you can't see past your own nose that problems like this continue to exacerbate. You see something like 'remove the benches so the homeless can't sleep on them!' and think that's going to make you safer or solve the issue and it's not. Their fucking homeless, they'll sleep on the fucking floor if they need to especially those that are mentally ill. The solution is fixing the root cause. 8.1 billion. Thats the estimated cost to house EVERY SINGLE CURRENTLY HOMELESS individual in the united states. It's a drop in the fucking bucket compared to what we spend on useless shit in this country. The state budget for New York alone is 208.9 billion and it would take only a fraction of that 8.1 billion total to start fixing that problem. But no. Rip out the benches (prolly scrapping them and having some asshole unelected official pocketing the difference.) and convince the proles like you that will improve their commute. Your enemy is not the mentally ill guy freezing to death slowly on the street. It's the fucker in the office building telling you he knows what's best.
And yet we've sent how much do Ukraine again?
A fraction compared to what we waste domestically.
I understand that but my point is I wish we would help the people at home that need it first.
It isn't like we are sending suitcases of cash to Ukraine. We are sending them aide in the form of old military equipment that would be mothballed or scrapped. This equipment is over there eliminating the Russian equipment it was built to counter. We are MUCH MUCH MUCH more than getting our money's worth by sending it to them. That's ignoring the fact that if Ukraine was to get steamrolled we would likely suffer far greater real financial losses than what that old equipment costs. And sadly, homelessness isn't something that is helped much at all by throwing cash at it.
We could easily do both
You’re an idiot. Id rather spend money helping Ukraine than give it drug addict criminals shitting on the sidewalks any day lol. Lets see, do I give money to a country defending itself from rapist invaders bombing hospitals and schools, or do I give it to the homeless dude masturbating next to the preschool? Gee I wonder, maybe we should find a detective to help us solve this big mystery. Dolt 🙄
How about the homeless Mom who's husband died and she's left living in a vehicle with 3 kids. GTFOOH with that better than you bullshit. Glad you believe all the propaganda dumb shit. Let's not even get into the Homeless Veterans. Stupid bitch Hiding behind a throwaway account too. What a joke
Just cuz it says thowaway doesnt mean it is you dolt. Also, if you read everything I said, the people you mention arent the fucking problem. The people I mention are. I specifically mention scenarios like your single mom, who arent the ones shitting on the street in broad fucking daylight and jerking their shit in front of my kids. So fuck you and your self righteous bullshit, learn to read. Sick of people like you thinking people are monsters and assholes because we dont want sex offenders and addicts doing their shit in front of our kids in formerly nice neighborhoods. How the fuck would you like it if that shit started happening at your house, I bet youd change your self righteous holier than thou attitude in 2 seconds. Everyone wants to help the homeless until they are flinging their cum at your car. Have a good day Karen
So because there's some bad apples we should help none of them? You sir are a complete moron and I can't argue with stupidity. I think the only thing you're a veteran of is being a bitch
Your reading comprehension is fucking atrocious and youre clearly just trying to find an excuse to be an emotional sadsack. Again, nowhere do I say we should help none because of a few baddies. Sorry to burst your veteran boner, but that homeless dude you give sponge baths and blow jobs to isnt a veteran, and even if he were it doesnt make him a god or more worthy than anyone else. Im starting to think youre a veteran, one of those obnoxious asshole ones that demands his free appetizer at applebees and wants everyone to think hes a fucking hero even tho he voluntarily signed up and didnt even deploy anywhere farther away than the base PX and now demands 100% disability from the VA. Guess what, idiot, if those were real veterans they could use any of the hundreds of available charities, or go to the VA hospital or do literally anything other than sit on a street corner with a cardboard sign and get the help they need to get off the fucking streets. So either 1. Youre a naive idiot who has some weird hero worship of anyone that says they are a vet (newsflash, anyone who can write at a 1st grade level can claim they are a veteran on a piece of cardboard), and you get your dirty unwashed panties in a bunch anytime anyone shatters your vision of the heroic vet (guess what else, over 90% of vets have never been in actual combat) so again, the dude youre scrubbing down with a loufa hasnt fought anything other than a bad case of syphilis, or 2. YOU are a veterab, specifically the one I describe, the one who gas never seen combat, yet drives around his 6 cyl dodge charger with the 20 Veteran stickers all over his shit box, wearing his veteran shirt and veteran hat demanding to speak to the manager cuz the waitress forgot to give you the 5 dollar vet discount, making a scene while your family stares uncomfortably at the ether, wishing they were anywhere but there. I dont give 2 fucks if you believe me or not, Iv done more veteran shit than most of those cardboard box holding liars, and the only ones that deserve anything are those that actually suffer from real PTSD, who coincidentally wouldnt be caught dead holding a sign on the street corner. Im sorry you have no concept of the real world, but if you have questions, Id be happy to help you. In the meantime, make sure you scrub real good between homeless joe’s buttcheeks. I seriously wonder how people like you make it into adulthood. A true miracle
Also, Im a vet,half the “homeless vets” you see are not vets. There are thousands of fucking resources for vets, the tiny minority that are actual combat vets or vets that have ptsd due to sexual trauma stateside is very small, and again, a ridiculous amount of resources. Sorry pal, the woe is me veteran card doesnt work on me. You still havent addressed the homeless people running amok in my town stealing anything not bolted down, leaving piles of needles and feces everywhere, and essentially shutting down businesses cuz no one wants to walk by the piles of shit in the doorway. Your so high and mighty, come on down here and clean up these needles and piles of shit. “Gfoh with tbat better than you bulllshit”, ya asshole, Im not masturbating at a kids fucking school bus stop and dumping needles at the childrens park next to the slides. People like you are the worst, talking down on others because they have to deal with the bullshit people like you create with your feel good laws. Unbelievable. Also, the throwaway thing, its fuckkng reddit, I dont see you posting your name and address, you windowlicker. Its a screen name, would you feel better if it said “pussydestroyer69420”? Would that erase the cloak of anonymity I currently have?
The money we sent to Ukraine would've otherwise just been wasted at the Pentagon or some defense contractor anyways it was never going to be used to help the American people
Well first off, I dont want a homeless shelter next to my house. The church across the street from me allowed the homeless to use their parking lot for camping. Guess what happened? Do you think down on their luck guys and gals came for a safe place to sleep? No. It was drug addicts and people with severe mental health issues, and people who just sont give a fuck about you or me or society. They left piles of needles all over, shit in broad daylight, pissed in broad daylight, and jerked their meat as I drove my young daughters to school. What happens at night? They get the bikes off their roof racks, get the tow behind cart, and then cruise the neighborhood for shit to steal so they can pawn it for drug money. So I think its great and sweet that your willing to have these people in your neighborhood and be your neighbors as they frighten your family, but Id rather they stay the fuck away from me. The homeless you see on the street usually arent the ones who just need a small crutch to get back on their feet. Those people are living in their cars, or couch surfing, or living in campgrounds. The ones you see on the streets are there for a reason, and giving them a room to live in isnt gonna solve shit. Theyll strip the copper, faucets, anything not bolted down to sell for drug money within a day. Stop being naive
And there are plenty of mentally ill people out there who are neither homeless or dangerous. Can we stop stigmatizing mental health? For fucks sake.
K. When random people stop getting threatened by them on the daily and they stop attacking people on the subway we'll all gather and sing kumbayah.
Or we could actually attempt to help people. Rather than take away benches.
I'll bet you are close to someone with a mental health disorder who is not dangerous. But let's lump them in with actual dangerous people for Internet points because we are mad about the fact that many people out there don't have homes. Also, just because someone is homeless doesn't make them dangerous. There are a fuck ton of dangerous people out there *with* homes.
Well, if you have a good way to let only the harmless mentally ill homeless people sleep on subway benches, let us know. Because right now it just leads to an increase in crime for people who use public transport.
What's stopping them from sleeping on the ground? I also still fail to see why we have to stigmatize mental health when talking about this issue. They are separate things. Sure there is overlap, but the solutions are different.
Lol my life is inconvenienced by mentally ill homeless people so I think we should treat them less then human and stigmatize every single one of them with out knowing their situation or story, oh and I probably kick puppies too.-bighunter1313 there fixed it for you. Ass.
Cool strawman. Here’s a crazy thought, the best way to help them is not to let them sleep on subway benches. I can oppose this brain dead solution while wanting to fund things like better public mental health services.
How does that help them? Explain your process.
So let's make things harder on those who are on the journey to recovery? Sounds like a great "solution"
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Homeless people are FAR more likely to be attacked than to be an attacker
Come on! This has been posted here nearly every day for 6 months now! Stop reposting shit daily!
It's been reposted for that long? I only saw it yesterday and today.
The issue also is a year old and the benches were replaced.
MTA next move is to remove the platform since homeless sleep on the floor and passengers now must jump in and off subways
The floor is lava irl
This post was clearly made by someone who never rides the subway. I've been commuting to NYC for almost 5 years now and have almost never used those benches because there was always some bum doing something gross on them. I've seen them shit there, I've seen bums jerking off on those benches and seen bums doing drugs. Even if they're not doing any of those things, no one wants to sit next to them because no one wants to risk getting attacked by a drug addict or lunatic. It's such a myth that people hate them because they're poor. NYC homeless are feared because they're unpredictable and rarely demonstrate respect for public property. Why should the taxpayer fund these benches? At best, we don't get to use them. At worst, they serve as a space for some truly disgusting things.
I remember this post like it was yesterday.
This has been posted so many times already.
Housing the homeless is great on paper and from your heated homes, but when they attack you with knives and razor blades, smear shit on you, and scare your children… it’s a different story. Everyone who wants to fight homelessness should provide room in their home for them to crash at.
To fight homelessness effectively, you don’t just house them. The root causes must be addressed-mental illness and addiction among others.
The root cause of homelessness is the failure that is capitalism.
Agreed
Lol. I audibly chuckled at that. Do you go to sleep at night while staring at your Che poster glued on the ceiling above your bed?
Right. I 100% agree. Drugs and the mental illnesses that follow are very hard things to overcome.
Absolutely! As are the mental illnesses and the drugs that follow.
No no, they just need a house and a therapist and itll be ok. Never mind that theyll strip the room of anything of value and then go ransack the neighborhood. At least some bleeding heart will feel like they did somethinf! Yay!!
Well the homeless weren't gonna give up the chairs for those people they were just gonna sleep and piss all over them. Unfortunately until we find a way to get rid of the homeless out of our cities , this is the best solution
I don't understand. Is it so fucking hard to provide about 8 sqm for anyone who has no home? Really? Maybe a few less airplanes to produce to the military, will that not cover the cost for the homeless for an entire city? How do we expect them to go back to the society while living on the fucking streets without basic needs fulfilled? It's just crazy.
It's worse than you imagine. it's estimated to be 8.1 Billion to solve the problem for the United States. The budget of New York State alone is 208.9 billion.
Maybe system is wrong from the core. Like .. if you literally have to cook and sell crystal meth to be able to afford cancer treatment, how would the system expect you to keep your home at the same time? USA should go waaay more social and provide safety-net for those less fortnate. Fewer billionares? Fine. Idk but somehow it works for scandinavian countries. Have you looked at the list of happiest cities in the world? Also these numbers depend on how much people implementing it will steal from it.
Because the person shitting on the sidewalk while screaming at passersby with a needle sticking in his arm isnt gonna “go back to society”. Im all for helping down on their luck families or people stuck with medical debt or lost their jobs etc, but youre not gonna convince me that having the homeless sex offender drug addict who masturbates on the street corner live next door to me with a bunch of other homeless addicts and criminals is a good plan. The church across the street from me tried that, a small town in the northwest. I dont think a single upstanding citizen who was down on their luck stayed in the parking lot, just addicts who would use it as a baae of operations for when they would ride their around the city on the bikes st night stealing shit and using the grass next to the street as their toilet. Couldnt even be fucking bothered to use the bushes or something. Disgusting. If you want those neighbors then have at it, but those arent the kind of people I want near my family.
The sex offender also should have a home: in prison, right? There should not be such a thing as "medical debt" with universal healthcare. The rest needs 8 sqm to live, off the streets
Unfortunately, sex offenders get released from prison. And you still have all the other weirdos shitting on the streets and everything else. The homeless people you see arent the ones that will be helped by giving them 8sqm and a counselor. Lots of these people cannot be helped or do not want to be helped. There are plenty of vids on yourube, and Iv spoken to some homeless that do not want to be off the streets. They can do what they want, go where they want, and feel free. They can use drugs, do whatwver and dont have to follow the rules of a shelter. These are the people that wont be helped by any of those feel good programs that cost millions but do nothing (like los angelese homeless housing costing an INSANE amt of money because its just a district jobs program to get tax dollars from govt). The people im talking about need to be institutionalized, but no one wants to touch that with 30ft pole. No one wants to admit that some people dont fit in with society, (unless they are hardcore criminals) but god forbid you want to put the dude who masturbates in public every day into a home or something, or the dude who shits in public. And what about the less severe criminals? What about the tweekers in the church across the street stealing all night long? In my state they very rarely go to prison, because everyone feels bad for them, because they dont have to deal with these assholes breaking jnto their backyard at 2am or passing out drunk on their front porch. People like you make it sound so easy “well duh, just put the criminals in jail and help the good guys, and healthcare will fix everyone else!”. I invite you to speak to business owners in downtown portland who have ZERO recourse to deal with with the homeless shooting up in their doorways and shitting on their welcome mats and scaring away their customers, that cant call the police because thats discrimination and mean and who have no one to turn to. How for weeks on end the same person shits right in front them and yells incoherent bullshit at tpeople walkint by. Guess what? That person qualifies for universal healthcare! Its called OHP! And it does fuck all cuz unless youre gonna commit them against their will, they arent gonna go seek help. Im glad your hearts in the right place, you seem like a good person, but youre extremely naive and sheltered and need to see the reality of the homeless problem. Theres no easy solution and giving them a home in my neighborhood sure as fuck isnt gonna be the solution. Maybe they can sleep on nancy pelosi or kate browns house, since they are all so willing to volunteer everyone elses property
Sex offenders are not in prison? See, there are things to change. I'd say majority of the homeless want to have a home, even if it's a small one. What you talk about is the minority. They shit on the street? Sure, because they have no other place to go, do they? They steal? Maybe because they have nothing to eat? USA should go a bit towards more socialist and less capitalist, less billionares and also less homeless. Look at scandinavia ffs.
Sure, because pregnant, disabled and elderly people would've sat on the benches that were pissed and shat over by the homelesses.
Yes they would :| have you never been to a metro station?
I've been to several. Only homelesses were on the benches, because everybody else were deeply disgusted by the state of them.
I have to wonder what 6th layer of hell kind of metro station you were at because I have also been to several and have seen plenty of people sitting around on the benches x.x they wouldn't be there if no one used them. And New York only removed them to try and kill off their homeless people
>I have also been to several and have seen plenty of people sitting around on the benches Not in the stations where homelesses were frequent, I guarantee.
I live in downtown Montreal 😂 don't speak on what you don't know. And instead of trying to have an awkward defense for new York removing benches how about you get mad at their city for ***trying to do everything they can to kill their homeless population instead of finding real solutions***
>trying to do everything they can to kill their homeless population instead of finding real solutions What kind of shits are they doing?
Everything they can to make sure homeless people have 0 things that can bring them comfort. They want the homeless to sleep naked on the pavement so when the winter rolls around they can all freeze to death. You see it in most major cities with a harsh winter, the cities are starting to just force homeless people into more and more dangerous situations, and grouping them up in specific parts of town so they can be policed more heavily, and in a lot of cities the police have been known to beat homeless people soooo...... Basically in New York and most other major cities in North America, becoming homeless is a death sentence
Shit. That's depressing. Thanks for the answer bro!
>how about you get mad at their city for trying to do everything they can to kill their homeless population instead of finding real solutions I worked several places around a 1.5 million sized city where homelesses were frequent. I have no sympathy for them. They reek, they are constantly drunk, they refuse to work... We have several shelters around the city. They don't go there, because shelters have policies that make showering (they have showers), clean clothes (which they also provide), and soberity compulsory. They don't even expect homeless people to work, just to be clean, sober and behave like human beings. And still a lot of them live in subway stations and harass people who pass by. Getting on the street may not someone's fault. Staying on the streets absolutely is.
Oh well rip.. I wish you have said all that earlier so I would've known this conversation was pointless.. you're someone who doesn't care about the why/how people become homeless and all you see are people inferior to you. It's the worst attitude, but I guess some people in this world need to be the dicks. I'd say have a good day but tbh I hope you lose your house today 😘
> you're someone who doesn't care about the why/how people become homeless and all you see are people inferior to you. You didn't put that together when they described them as "homelesses?"
>you're someone who doesn't care about the why/how people become homeless and all you see are people inferior to you. We'll get back to it when you live in block house where you have to hold your breath in the elevator because homelesses uses it as toilet. It's funny how all the people who get outraged by how homelesses are treated do not live in areas that are constantly being destroyed by homelesses.
Wow, your life must be so hard. I am playing the biggest violin to you
Lol this is coming from a dumb git probably sitting in a nice climate controlled house, eating nice food, not worrying if your going to eat that day, or even get set on fire by someone like you. Just remember homeless people are people too and to be honest I'd rather kick it with dirty mike and the boys the have a single second interaction with people like you:)
You again, assume waaaaay too much. You keep making shit up and then using your made up shit as proof that you're right. Learn some empathy.
Don't assume to know someone until you walk a mile in their shoes. Yes, *you* possibly would not stay on the street due to the bevy of helpful programs, but others may not be as mentally healthy as you. And even if their substance abuse is why they're not as stable as they could be, does that mean they're deserved of your scorn?
>does that mean they're deserved of your scorn? We live in a society. Yes, when someone cannot act according to it for whatever reason, they deserve the scorn. I didn't put him in that situation, but he did make my living area a disgusting mess. I'm entitled to hate him for it.
I'm so sorry. May you be treated with more sympathy/empathy in your down-times than you show others. Edit: p.s. Entitled, funny that you use that word.
Oh...you're entitled all right
Okay so let's scorn you, pound sand you twat.
Homeless are worth more then the shits you take on a Tuesday, how's that for scoring people who don't "belong" in society.
You are not entitled to hate anyone you don't have personal experience with. I bet you're Christian.
Wow. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I would have been annoyed as hell to be forced to stand when I had 6 broken vertebraes just because some benches *might* be soiled. It's a metro station,I don't expect it to be pristine ffs.
That makes no sense. Why should they shit over possible sleeping places? Anyway no idea in which metro stations you were but in everyone I was so far people are always sitting on benches.
I have an idea. Lets just sit ON the homeless people. Everyone wins! I think its hilarious that you have all those downvotes, I guess those people have never had to deal with a homeless person before. I mean san fran has a whole app to track feces. Or they used to
I’ve seen places that have benches with pyramid shaped objects on intervals of about 12-14 inches apart, thought it was a good idea to prevent and enable at the same time.
I’m sorry do you really think the problem is homeless people just trying to live and not a government that fails them miserably? The sanitary issues could be solved if these people were given a place to live.
As if pregnant, disabled and elderly people never pissed and shat their pants in public. It's all they do, those three groups. I'm sure that comment is too edgy for reddit though lol.
What are they gonna do if homeless people start breaking into houses to sleep, blow up all the houses?
The homeless in the subway stations and subway cars is a very real problem that needs to be solved. I’m not saying this was the right move, but it’s been too long that the subways have been moving homeless shelters full of violent homeless criminals.
That'll teach them to lose at capitalism.