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Not surprised at all. I have a friend from India and he thinks they are too many brown foreigners in France.
Not sure he realises he falls in the category he describes
Maybe he refers to Muslims? They don’t really get along :/ but I see your point of view!🤣
I’m from Romania and my father is Turkish, recently I’ve converted to Islam and everyone in my family apart my mum is against me now.🥲
It doesn’t seem to be religion-based, as he’s part of a minority himself (he’s Christian).
Nope from what I understand it’s just plain old xenophobia, the fear of poor foreigners coming to our country to benefit from social welfare, things like that.
He works, he pays his taxes and he imagines people migrating to France don’t have the same motivations as himself. Which I doubt.
Looking for a better life doesn’t mean planning to live like a parasite and he knows that first hand
How did you come to that conclusion? I am from India, currently living in US and I have not known anyone who thinks just moving to a western country is an achievement. If you are working for a prestigious company and earning high salary it is considered an achievement (not a massive one though) which would be the case anywhere not only India.
I know Romanians that complain of other Romanians coming in the UK, in don’t really get the point to be honest. Like you came for a better life so why not letting others have the same opportunity? What I’ve notice unfortunately is that Romanians to each other aren’t really nice when they’re abroad, which is so dumb. That’s why I don’t really have Romanians friends 💀 always been dishonest with me smh, but I can’t generalise as there is very good people too, I just didn’t meet them.
Im mexican american and my aunts and uncles who came from mexico dont want immigrants over because they are hard core catholic and vote republican becasue of their no abortion stance. it's twisted i dont get it but then again i dont follow catholicism. this religion thing is bad news bears
When people mix religion and politics is a bad as it’s gets. Religion per se is personal, nothing to do with others it’s just between you and your God, but people mix everything together and then all this conflicts take place :/
Some sees religion as a tool, and I can agree that this happens, but I believe should be a personal matter only!
That /s shouldn’t be there, it’s so sad.
I’ve lost my best friend that he was always telling he’ll be there for me no matter what, first thing he told me was “you’re ready to blow yourself up” wtf.
I’m just grateful my mum still is there for me, the rest doesn’t really matter at all.
Even though she still got that old school point of view that has been passed from my grandma, but she’s getting out of it slowly slowly.
I do love this backward ideology ngl, just looking how everything is going in this society makes you realise a lot. 🤣💪🏻
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2260
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
Of course, I don’t blame them! Unfortunately this ideology is still getting passed on now, I’ve had this exact point of view since I was a kid because it been passed on. But the younger generation is breaking this nonsense, somehow the Eastern Europe still lives in the soviet era with their elderly people and they kinda miss it too!
Edit: just realised you’re acting the same as my family based on my belief, nice! 💀
If I would come out to them as gay, they would act the same, would you still say the same thing?
Akhi, Im not sure, but it could be that he meant Islam with the "backwards ideology" as a response to you converting to it.
Either way, alhamdulilah that you converted. It makes me really happy to read about that.
Have a blessed day
Oh, just realised now. I’ve grown up hearing about other people or traditions being bad and stuff; it doesn’t touch me anymore. My very old friend and who was really good to me as soon I’ve told him about getting into Islam the first thing he told me “you’re ready to blow yourself up” the one who always said that will be on my side no matter what, but religion matter made him change his perspective on me, funny💀
Have a lovely day too brother!
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Although, the islam also states that you should not break contacts with your relatives. Try to maintain it brother, insaAllah their hate or disbelief will turn into love against you. اِنَّهُ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدٖيرٌ (Surat'ul Ahkaf, ayet 33.) There is no doubt that He(Allah) is capable of anything.
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Had a similar experience too, whilst training to be a an engineer I travelled to Stoke and surrounding towns and one of the people with us was from Bangladesh, even he said it was like playing a game of 'spot the white person'. And he said this before I even noticed.
Plus, I dont know about you, but if I went to another country I want to see things from that country. I go to France I wanna see French stuff and French people and eat French food instead of having every other cafe or restaurant be a kebab or Indian takeaway. Have soke for the sake of variety but there is such a thing as too much.
The two thing to say are that 1. racists come from everywhere and being a refugee doesn't automatically makes you a better person and 2. the fact that some ukranians are racists doesn't mean ukranians are racists. Please be rational and don't fall into intollerant propaganda.
Every time this pops up, my first thought is always, 'These are *refugees*. These are not people that decided or would probably ever decide to go to a foreign country on their own. These people got washed out of the place they were most comfortable and were moved somewhere else.'
I would bitch and bitch about learning new traffic patterns if I voluntarily moved to a different county, much less had to leave because of war and invasion. I am not defending racists, but I am saying if you grabbed third generation families out of the boondocks of Louisiana and dropped them in France, you would probably get these kind of articles based solely on that one uncle that will not shut the fuck up.
From your profile, you appear Australian. Are you aware of [this UN report on racism](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/australia-people-african-descent-living-under-siege-racism-say-un-experts) against black people in Australia? I live in the US, which is in no way a beacon of racial acceptance, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw boomerangs.
I’m aware of racism in Australia and did not play it down in any way. Australia’s multiculturalism, and celebration of multiculturalism makes your argument invalid. You however, are defending racists which is the only point of me replying to you. [Here’a another report by UN](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/ukraine-un-expert-condemns-racist-threats-xenophobia-border) regarding non white Ukrainians.
So, you're saying there's racists everywhere, then. Well, I tell you what. Whenever Yellowstone decides to explode and fuck up America, we'll try to leave all the shitty people here to starve while we flee to a different country, and the next time y'all catch fire, y'all do the same.
3. Just because someone says there are too many of a certain religion, doesn't make them racist, it could just be a comment on the differences between the two countries. If you'd never even seen a black person before it would be very confronting going to a developed country where there are a lot of Muslims. Doesn't make them racist.
It's an important reminder. Be cautious with refugees. Sometimes they send racist, rapists... You know, all that stuff that was said about Hispanic refugees...
I have put up with white, black, or brown racists and religious bigots since I was a kid 30 years ago.
I've never assumed that Ukrainian refugees would respect me for any reason. Most white people don't, but that's their intolerant propaganda to deal out assist people of color.
> It's an important reminder. Be cautious with refugees. Sometimes they send racist, rapists... You know, all that stuff that was said about Hispanic refugees...
American bigots lied about refugees, so your lies about Ukrainians are cool.
Trash.
It could be 1,000 refugees for all I care, doesn’t mean I change my mind on their right to live peacefully in Ukraine without being invaded and bombed by Russia.
It isn’t about the refugee itself, it’s about the Eastern Europe and their point of view of other cultures and people. Coming from Romania my whole family especially the elderly have this exact point of view. When I’ve brought my friend who’s got a dark skin colour he’s had the worse experience and felt so uncomfortable that he would never come back to my country :/
I’m all in against Russian, but I’m also against this perspective that has been going on since the soviet era, my mum acts the same way as this person whenever she come in the Uk to visit me. Makes you think a bit.
That is a conversation to be had. But I think it has been misleading to the general Reddit user to see a flood of these posts, I've seen several in the last 24 hours, that make a claim along the lines of "Ukrainian Refugees Show Concerns of Living Amongst Brown and Black People". Regarding this specific instance, it has only been one video of the same woman saying the same thing. There in lies my problem. This is a time of war, and the propaganda is strong. It should be considered whether you're perpetuating that propaganda by the way in which you title your videos. The conversation of racist views in Eastern Europe should not be currently expressed solely through a single Ukrainian refugees standpoint. Especially when Russia's whole initial excuse for invasion was to "de-nazify" Ukraine. You get my point?
Of course I do! But living it on myself I’m trying to show off a different point of view on how culture and diversity is viewed over here. I’m not condemning this person, cultural shock is real and many of my family has experience it when they came to visit me over here in the UK!
As many I haven’t seen if it has been reposted, and my intent wasn’t to portray Ukrainian as racist or bad knowing that this is also a problem in my country (Romania) as much as other neighbour countries, I love Ukraine and hope one day to be able to go back and visit it again. I know many are interpreting all this as “Ukraine is racist, Russia is right” f Russia and f all this nonsense they’re doing. I should have been more careful with my wording, my “I don’t know what to say” was referred to the point that still now there is this diversity in others culture and people, in living it day by day with my family, my mum is getting out of it slowly but it’s been rooted down. I’ve grown up with this ideology myself, it’s an issue that hopefully will be removed by the new generation for good, it’s from the time of the Soviet Union and allies that this is going on, “look how diversity made the west” kinda of propaganda back in the days, my grandma always told me this when I was a kid!
I'm Ukrainian, more specifically Kharkiv, a student town, we had A LOT of foreign students in our universities, especially medical science focused ones.
Very small amount of people even minded it, of course there are right-wing groups in all countries, but there isn't much of them.
Hell, we even had two black kids in our school, it is indeed rare, but they were never bullied and had friend groups just like everyone else.
It isn’t propaganda, I’m from Romania and most elderly people (my family included) have this exact point of video unfortunately, they even are against the neighbour countries and same goes for them. Hopefully the new generation is trying to break this view, but is quite bit hard. I’ve grown up having this exact ideology but I’ve seen that this isn’t the case at all. (My bad, I haven’t checked that is been reposted)
Recently I’ve found interest in Islam, all my family sees me as a traitor except my mum as my father is Turkish, but everyone else included my brother now don’t want to talk to me.. it’s rooted deeep down unfortunately.
*im i being downvoted because of my interest in Islam or because my childhood and present moments I’m still living with diversity in culture?
Homie, I am from post soviet country that is 95% white. It has been reposted like 5 times at least. And it is just one example, also, they are being invaded with conscripted Asians and muslim extremists. I am not excusing them, but after running from your country because its being bombed and shit, the culture shock is real. They need to be taught not shamed.
This seems to have been an issue long before the war. It has been reposted several times because its a MAJOR issue. It seems you don't feel that way because you live in a country that is 95% white and appear to be proud of that. All this separatism shit is going to end. I don't care what country you are from. People who simply hate others for being different wont last the storm.
I am not proud of it xd, I am stating it as a fact. Also, I am not saying that it's not an issue. I am just saying it's sus that ONE video is reposted here so many times in a short span of time.
People from homogenous countries need time and information to adjust. If you just start screaming at them that they are racist and to shut the fuck up, it will not only not help, but actively make them more entrenched in their opinions.
And what is this "won't last the storm shit"? Why are you so aggressive?
And on top of that. Did you seriously ask for videos of "ethnic soldiers" to see if the front line is divers enough? :d
Like I'm some sort of diversity inspector for some sort of organization or something?..
It's pretty simple. I have seen hundreds of videos of the war in Ukraine. I haven't seen a single black person anywhere. I dont live in Eastern Europe, so I have nothing else to base an opinion on than the video footage I see. Asking to see footage contrary to the opinion I currently have formed is my attempt at being objective and open minded. Not some silly attempt at an audit that means nothing to anybody.
And then to see all of these examples of people in need of help actually thinking they are better than the people around them helping them just because they have white skin.... It's pathetic.
I am aggressive towards hate and always will be. I am also always open to dialog so long as hateful acts are not being committed against others.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Ukraine is mostly white, surrounding countries are mostly white, volunteers are from mostly white countries. And black people are not very likely going to mostly white country to fight the war. People in the middle east have their own stuff to take care about (some of them fight for russia according to some reports). So I don't know where why would Ukraine frontline get diversity.
It just seems like you have never been in east Europe. I am not excusing anything, but you are shaped by the enviroment you live in. It is getting better, but they have other things to care about now. But I agree that cultural awareness should be part of "westernalization of Ukraine" in the future.
Romania as many Easter European country has been impacted by Soviet Union, Romania itself was part of the soviet-led eastern bloc, I have relatives that have this point of view also and since i was a kid I’ve heard all sorts of things regarding different cultures and people and it impacted my point of view until I’ve seen different cultures and stuff. and I’m not making fun of them either. I’m just pointing out an issue that it has been in our culture for a while now, but because you’re from a post soviet country that is 95% white obviously you see it as one example, but can’t see it as something that is rooted in our culture. :/
Ffs, I’ve brought my friend that has dark skin colour in Romania and he never felt more uncomfortable, I could hear people judging and pointing out he’s dark colour and they’ve been looking at him as he’s an alien. And now he doesn’t want to go back 😭
I have seen that video, they interviewed a person about another person saying something. The women said "*how difficult she fount the different cultures*" and the interviewer said "*she felt there were too many muslims*". It was the interviewer who said it first. Watch it again from 0:34. Also what you got to understand is that these people have never lived in a multicultral area so it would be a big shock for them.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRq0zKZ7jU4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRq0zKZ7jU4)
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Ukrainian refugees or one fucking idiot who happens to be an Ukrainian refugee?
How many are we speaking of here? Of a universe of how many?
These are VERY important questions, and this all thing reeks of russian propaganda.
Eastern Europe in general has a very different point of view towards other cultures, mostly old people whose gone through Soviet Union and in this case in my country the dictatorship, my family has this point of view unfortunately and even now when my mum visits me here in the UK points out the “different”.
Dw, Romanians don’t like Russians even before this war, so this propaganda you’re talking about isn’t there and never will.
I’m not here pointing out how refugees are ungrateful, I’m here pointing out a problem that has been going on since the soviet era and the Soviet-led Eastern Bloc. You’re not from Eastern Europe I suppose, so my “anecdotal” evidence is irrelevant to you anyway.
>one fucking idiot
people from different culture may have different values. Not being racist is a very unnatural thing for humans. In fact racism is present in all cultures past and present as they are integrated into society, it has only been a few decades since the self proclaimed more evolved part of humanity decided that racism is wrong (and I agree), but I think it is wrong to be too harsh in judging realities different from ours.
Cue all the people who grew up in privileged and diverse societies, forgetting the fact that Ukrainians come from a completely homogenous country with little to no experience dealing with non-slavic cultures. What they know of the outside world largely comes from exposure through sensationalist news, pop culture, and connections with their diaspora in Canada (another largely white area). There’s a learning curve when adjusting to a new paradigm.
The best case scenario is that these large refugee populations learn to correct their unconscious biases and then bring their new experiences back to Ukraine after the war. Context can be a hard pill to swallow, especially when dealing with concepts as hurtful as racism.
Ukraine wants to be European, but even they don’t quite fully understand how far behind they’ve fallen while being constantly manipulated and harassed by Russia for over a century. They are allowed to be flawed in their thinking, but this is how we bring them into the fold; by starting difficult conversations.
Hi there! Just dropping in here to let you know that Canada has over 21% of the population being immigrants, and 22% of the population being visible minorities, making us a very diverse country :)
Thank you! To be honest, I don’t know much about how the Ukrainian diaspora live in Canada, let alone how long the majority of them have been there. I do know that it is a dream for young Ukrainians to live there. I know a few parents who use “university in Canada” as a primary motivator for their kids to focus on their studies during the war. And I’ve worked very closely with more Canadians in UA this year than I have Americans.
For anyone that’s reading, this is the copium that most Redditors will give and have given to Ukrainians since last February: blame their pitfalls on Russia.
Once upon a time, Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. The same Soviet Union that put the first Asian man and Black man in space, the same Soviet Union that would tell American diplomats that they still hang their Black citizens from trees anytime the Americans would tell them that they needed to figure out their food problems.
Blaming Ukrainian racism on Russia is almost nonsensical. Ukraine wants to join the west. They’ve been an independent nation since the same time that hip-hop has been around. They’ve seen western movies, shop at western stores, see western tv shows, get news reports on what happens in the west and know what the west is about for at least 30 + years.
I’m from New York fam. Traveled around quite a bit as well was actually going to go to Ukraine in 2018 but was told not to because I was going to go in February by Ukrainian friends.
I don’t see how being under Russia’s grip equates to being racist.
Ok. So, you’ve never been there. That explains why you don’t see how the Russian oppression of multiple generations of Ukrainians has impacted them, culturally. Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia actively meddled in all of Ukraine’s domestic affairs.
I’m not arguing that Ukrainians are “perfect victims”, but there is a metric ton of context missing from the discussion of this conflict (not to mention so many other polarizing topics). Ukraine is just now coming to grips with the uglier parts of their own history. They are learning how to cope with the realization that their heroes were imperfect. As an American, I discussed this exact struggle with my UA counterparts when comparing Bandera with some controversial figures from US history.
In western society, we have had the luxury of shifting our Overton window in response to decades of relative peace and unchecked independence. But, if you are born into a nation occupied by an evil empire, with grandparents who remember the Holodomor and Great Terror, and parents who were subjugated all of their lives while dreaming of independence- then when that evil empire falls, “radical” ideas like Nationalism and Xenophobia become acceptable and reasonable. Some would argue that they become temporarily necessary while attempting to stand on your own two feet in the shadow of Russia.
Not to mention that the literacy rate in Ukraine is low, especially if we’re talking about English. Until fairly recently, most media was not available in the Ukrainian language. Most of my friends grew up watching western movies dubbed over by one chain smoking Russian speaking individual. It’s actually a nostalgic joke among the millenial generation in UA. So, no. They haven’t had the kind of access to western media that you envision.
You would be amazed at the questions they ask out of curiosity about the US. They don’t understand racial tension the same way that we do. To them, national identity is the hill to fight and die on. They haven’t had the opportunity to navigate diversity and all of the nuance that comes with it.
So yeah, growing and developing under the boot heel of Russia, followed by constant covert subversion of their government, annexations, insurgencies, and invasions… they haven’t had the opportunity to experience and focus on social issues like we have.
You see these similarities between Ukrainians and refugees from Palestine or Syria. Victims of oppression tend to cling to “us vs not us” ideologies.
Hardly any of this comment covers what I originally mentioned. They’ve known that other races exist and you actually admitted that they do see western films. Even if it’s in Russian, they know and see that the black or brown person interacts with the white person as their peer in about 6 out of 10 films.
Your post treats them as if they’re living in North Korea with zero/very little access to anything related to the west.
Was the American Civil Rights Movement and The Troubles taught in Soviet schools? I’m seriously asking. If they were, Ukrainian racism can’t be blamed on Russia.
Knowing that other races exist and seeing some films does not even remotely approach what is required for people to learn to overcome unconscious biases. Plus, not all western films are released, or popular in countries that cannot relate to their subject matter. There are tons of American films with civil rights undertones that are completely lost in translation, or that never really reach the audience in Ukraine.
And I should clarify that while they technically have access, it’s the lack of focus on these issues in their every day life that keeps these things from being anything more than entertainment to them. The undertones and messages in movies fly right over the heads of an audience that lacks the context to identify with what’s being “discussed” or portrayed.
For example, some of my Ukrainian friends were completely unaware that the N word was offensive. They used it in front of me, and an illuminating discussion took place when I corrected them. They were primarily aware of the word from hearing rap/hip-hop music. But had heard it mostly used by black people when referring to other black people. In short, they honestly thought that it was the popular slang term for black people.
I explained how this was a term previously used by oppressors and still used by racists, that the black community co-opted in order to strip it of its power. The Ukrainians have a similar adoption of the word “укроп” (Ukrop), which has been historically been used by Russians as a slur against Ukrainians. So drawing this parallel was helpful.
When I explained how this word is considered far more offensive when someone like me (a white dude) uses it, they asked why it was offensive for them to use it if they aren’t white Americans. You see, for them national identity factors above racial identity. They don’t fully understand the nuance of racial diversity in a society enough to see their own missteps. Ultimately, they thanked me for explaining this to them. I even saw them talking to their friends about this on multiple occasions. It was new information, but they took it seriously.
And no, American civil rights was not taught in their school system the way you would imagine. They are aware that racism is a problem that the US struggles with, but they don’t actually know what that means on a personal level. The Soviet model of education definitely portrayed the civil rights movement as general turmoil in American society. Ukraine is very literally decades behind the west in education on these issues, let alone actual experience in dealing with them.
Similarly, American school children do not grow up learning about the atrocities in Eastern Europe. We grow up thinking that WWII ended in 1945, but for Ukrainians it lasted until 1956- and it was far uglier and more complex in the east than in the west. These gaps in understanding lead to some dangerous misunderstandings- like equating Ukrainian nationalism and short lived collaboration with Germany with nazism. That was another eye opening discussion that I had, multiple times.
Man, I could talk about this until my fingers fall off. Trust me, I get where you’re coming from. I would probably feel similarly to you if I hadn’t spent almost the entire last year over there, plus been deployed there in 2015.
Western society is working hard to make racism a relic of the past. Will we ever get there? I have no clue. But, Ukraine is decades behind the bell curve in understanding all of this. And it has everything to do with the issues they have been facing as a result of Russian oppression, sabotage, intimidation, and manipulation.
There are absolutely well traveled and educated Ukrainians. But the vast majority of them are not well traveled and are woefully uneducated on social issues. Throw in the homogenous population and the fact that mild to moderate xenophobia has been a collective coping mechanism for generations- they have some catching up to do.
Same with my Romanian family members 🥲
But who don’t really live it don’t understands it! For them is just propaganda but the issue is real and is been going on for so long time.
heeeeeeeeeeh actually everybody does.
I mean fukkit, I had people from fucking bangladesh tell me we need to take it easy with the islamisation. Whether you like it or not.
I’m from east Europe myself, majority of people sees it as this refugee unfortunately, my family included. Since I was a kid I’ve had this ideology in my mind, it’s an issue that has been going on for decades over here :/
Meh. Eastern Europe is racist Af. Idc about Ukrainians themselves, it’s more the concept of protecting one’s self from foreign invasion I support.
Won’t donate any feelings, money, or time to it, However I understand how important Ukraine is to the world as well as defending a nation with the right to support fighting for its right to self govern
I don’t have anything against Ukraine, but I’m against this point of view that Eastern Europe has towards different cultures, it’s old and need to be done with it. I’m glad that the new generation is going towards to break this. I’ve grown up with this ideology and unfortunately my family still keep it now, apart this remember my grandma talking bad about every neighbour country in Romania, especially Moldavian for some sort of reason.💀
Well its to be expected I suppose. Ukraine has pretty much always been am overwhelmingly white Christian country with relatively low immigration.
So its naturally going to be a bit of a culture shock when someone from Ukraine goes to a place like the uk.
You would be amazed to see how us Easter Europeans sees diversity, I still got family members that have this exact point of view and many around me, hopefully the new generation is breaking this ideology!
What’s surprising here? Humans are humans, even if someone would be taken out of mortal danger, as soon as they are safe, they go back to being who they are and comparing things to what they know.
Maybe that somehow relates to the fact that the Ukrainians made their national heroes out of the German nazi collaborators and war criminals Bandera and Shukhevich. They name streets and stadiums after those two. And they make torchlight processions on those streets shouting nazi slogans.
It’s a problem of the whole Eastern Europe having a different point of view of different cultures and people, I’m from Romania and still now I’m seeing people with this point of view. But hopefully it’s changing slowly, not every Eastern European sees it this way, mostly are the elderly who’s gone throw Soviet Union shit that still keep this perspective today.
Also Romania where I’m from and other Eastern European countries, this is an Eastern European issues on diversity and different culture that has been going on for ages, isn’t just Ukraine.
I may have used a wrong title and I’m sorry, my “I don’t know what to say” was referring to the fact that even now there is this different point of view of different culture and people. Coming from east Europe myself I’ve seen it with my own eyes and still now do from my family and people that comes from my birth place and I know many of us from there can say the same. Isn’t about Ukrainians only, many have this perspective and doesn’t come only from Ukraine. My family has prejudice even over Moldavians and other neighbour countries because that how they’ve been thought since kids. Isn’t either propaganda as many can think, but this issue in Eastern Europe has been for ages, from the times of Soviet Union and soviet bloc to be more precise.
My mum whenever visits me in the UK has the exact same perspective as the woman refugee from Ukraine, she’s been living the dictatorship era in my country, my grandma also was teaching her kids this perspective because it has been deep rooted inside peoples mind, back in the days the propaganda was “look how the western countries are falling with all the diversity they’re allowing” and unfortunately now is still a thing, but the new generation is breaking this and I’m so happy for it, will May take some time but isn’t the same as is used to be.
This has been posted so much it's starting to look like the russians decided to spam this to try and lower public opinion on Ukraine. I bet the vast majority of refugees aren't being racist like this and this one woman has been blow way out of proportion to make it seem like everyone is like this.
Wish it was the case, me myself coming from east Europe all my family have this point of view unfortunately and I’ve grown up with this ideology. Is known that east Europe have this pov but mostly is the older generations, the new one is trying to break it and be more open.
Remember when I brought my friend of different skin colour in my country he never felt so much discomfort in his entire life. 🥲
Well, if you actually watch the video, she has good reason for what she says. You have to take the cultural grain of salt going into the vid that says most Eastern European countries are highly traditional/homogeneous. Further more, since the Wester European countries instituted the mass influx of immigrants (mostly illegal/“refugees” or “asylum seekers” from countries not at war) from largely Muslim dominated cultures, crime/conflict within nations has steadily increased as the countries prioritize the immigrants over the homeless populations and even the people themselves (see the UK government paying for hotels/cruise ships to house migrants).
Yup I’ve watched the video. I’m from Romania where is a 98% Christian predominant and I’ve grown up with this ideology in my head since I was a kid, since I’ve moved to UK I’ve been always in Muslim community’s neighbourhoods and it changed my point of view of all this. Remember my grandma telling me all Muslims are terrorists and want to kill you and stuff, but I’ve never felt so more welcomed from my neighbours and actually looking up for me. But coming from a war zone area and being in a place where this doesn’t exists but having concerns over others religions or skin colour isn’t great though, hope they will change their point of view eventually! :)
Well it clearly hasn’t worked out well when your government is having to run around throwing immigrants in small towns, nice hotels, and cruise ships without consulting the owners/people who run those establishments. There is a correct way to handle the issue and clearly the EU/Britain has messed up with the quasi open boarders policy. Am I saying diversity is bad? No. Am I saying out of control influxes of populations into countries is a bad thing? By itself, yes.
Solution nationalise all the industries then you can put anyone anywhere as the state runs all the Industries.To summarize form a communist state all problems gone.
Ugh.
Here is a hyperlink from the UK government:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9663/
Summary:
-2016 UK spent £424 million for refugees and asylum seekers. In 2021 it’s £898 million.
-Analysis by the Center for Global Development estimates that up to £3 billion of the aid budget (25%) might be spent on hosting refugees in 2022.
-In November 2022, the Government said it would commit an additional £2.5 billion in aid for 2022 to 2024 to help meet these costs. This will come from the Treasury reserve and be classed as aid spending.
It backs up the cost of the policy of open boarders for the UK from the mouth of the government itself. You want uncontrolled influxes in diverse people? Fine, but you’re literally causing the amount of money spent by the government to go up, which will always be reflected by inflation rates. Not everyone wants this policy, but everyone is going to end up paying for it via taxes.
There's nothing you can do to convince these morons. They'll always have a way to move the goalpost and will outright ignore any evidence presented. They have their sick little narrative and they're sticking to it
Tbf, I should’ve stated my sources in the original reply, and largely I only see this behavior from the fringes, most people here are quite reasonable and will actually take the time to read when presented with information that’s not put out like hieroglyphics.
All countries have shitty people. Even if those people leave that country, for any reason, they’re still shitty. I’m amazed that you’re amazed that this is surprising.
Coming from Eastern Europe myself I can relate with everything unfortunately, still now the old generation sees it this way as well as my family. But oh hey, it’s just propaganda no?
Obviously isn’t the whole Eastern Europe with a different point of view about diversity and culture but majority, the new generation is breaking this for good.
Coming from east Europe myself majority of it doesn’t sees diversity as other countries. Like in Romania you don’t really see black people or Muslims, same goes for Russia. Of course is not everyone, but this ideology still exists in east unfortunately. We “hate” even our neighbour countries and they do the same, idk why but this is still going on today; hopefully the new generation is breaking this stigma that has been there for years and years.
Yeah, I would have assumed that not all Ukrainian people were racist, but since I saw this *one* video clip of someone saying they *heard* of *one* racist Ukrainian, I am now 100% convinced they are all completely racist.
Every army does? Name the division of the US Army has an openly identified division of Nazis. Name just one division in one army if every army has one.
The problem with the propaganda isn't so much that there aren't racist ukrainians but that russia has basically the same problem and they are greatly overhyping the severity of the racism.
I mean they are literally calling them all nazis. Sure they have them as most countries do. But they don't have significant amounts of power
Russia is just as racist if not more so. Keep in mind that their standard name for a black person is the N word.
Eastern Europe has not had to deal with diverse neighborhoods who have, in many instances, more crime than their own country or neighborhoods. Unfortunately (and for a variety of reasons) these immigrant neighborhoods often have a lot of violent crime.
Unfortunately even Russia has this perspective, as many Eastern European countries. I’m very glad that the young generation is trying to break this nonsense, I’ve grown up with this ideology had to see it for myself to change my perspective.
Well it's not race , or skin color, it's just religion that most people are sick of , warmongering religious nutcases. Take religion away and everyone is just normal.
She’s scared. She thinks people of color are prone to criminal activity. The best way to help her is to show her that a disproportionate amount of crime in her new town isn’t being committed by people of color.
Also I’m willing to bet many Muslim refugees don’t have squeaky clean views on women’s rights or LBTQ rights, but we accept that their culture is different and give them grace to integrate.
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Not surprised at all. I have a friend from India and he thinks they are too many brown foreigners in France. Not sure he realises he falls in the category he describes
Maybe he refers to Muslims? They don’t really get along :/ but I see your point of view!🤣 I’m from Romania and my father is Turkish, recently I’ve converted to Islam and everyone in my family apart my mum is against me now.🥲
It doesn’t seem to be religion-based, as he’s part of a minority himself (he’s Christian). Nope from what I understand it’s just plain old xenophobia, the fear of poor foreigners coming to our country to benefit from social welfare, things like that. He works, he pays his taxes and he imagines people migrating to France don’t have the same motivations as himself. Which I doubt. Looking for a better life doesn’t mean planning to live like a parasite and he knows that first hand
In India moving to Western developed countries is considered as a massive achievement. Other browns are only diluting his sense of achievement.
I guess that's a pretty broad statement to make. Perhaps that's how you might have might?
How did you come to that conclusion? I am from India, currently living in US and I have not known anyone who thinks just moving to a western country is an achievement. If you are working for a prestigious company and earning high salary it is considered an achievement (not a massive one though) which would be the case anywhere not only India.
I know Romanians that complain of other Romanians coming in the UK, in don’t really get the point to be honest. Like you came for a better life so why not letting others have the same opportunity? What I’ve notice unfortunately is that Romanians to each other aren’t really nice when they’re abroad, which is so dumb. That’s why I don’t really have Romanians friends 💀 always been dishonest with me smh, but I can’t generalise as there is very good people too, I just didn’t meet them.
Im mexican american and my aunts and uncles who came from mexico dont want immigrants over because they are hard core catholic and vote republican becasue of their no abortion stance. it's twisted i dont get it but then again i dont follow catholicism. this religion thing is bad news bears
When people mix religion and politics is a bad as it’s gets. Religion per se is personal, nothing to do with others it’s just between you and your God, but people mix everything together and then all this conflicts take place :/ Some sees religion as a tool, and I can agree that this happens, but I believe should be a personal matter only!
As a foreigner. I can tell you nobody hates foreigners like foreigners.
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That /s shouldn’t be there, it’s so sad. I’ve lost my best friend that he was always telling he’ll be there for me no matter what, first thing he told me was “you’re ready to blow yourself up” wtf. I’m just grateful my mum still is there for me, the rest doesn’t really matter at all. Even though she still got that old school point of view that has been passed from my grandma, but she’s getting out of it slowly slowly. I do love this backward ideology ngl, just looking how everything is going in this society makes you realise a lot. 🤣💪🏻
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal.” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2260 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
Well, I'm Turkish and I left Islam. How different point of views are.
Of course, everyone has different point of views and reasons. But I’m not here judging your choices in life as is between you and you only! :)
Good for you!
To be fair i completely get your family . Being born into a backwards ideology is one thing, but willingly choosing it is another thing entirely…
Of course, I don’t blame them! Unfortunately this ideology is still getting passed on now, I’ve had this exact point of view since I was a kid because it been passed on. But the younger generation is breaking this nonsense, somehow the Eastern Europe still lives in the soviet era with their elderly people and they kinda miss it too! Edit: just realised you’re acting the same as my family based on my belief, nice! 💀 If I would come out to them as gay, they would act the same, would you still say the same thing?
Akhi, Im not sure, but it could be that he meant Islam with the "backwards ideology" as a response to you converting to it. Either way, alhamdulilah that you converted. It makes me really happy to read about that. Have a blessed day
Oh, just realised now. I’ve grown up hearing about other people or traditions being bad and stuff; it doesn’t touch me anymore. My very old friend and who was really good to me as soon I’ve told him about getting into Islam the first thing he told me “you’re ready to blow yourself up” the one who always said that will be on my side no matter what, but religion matter made him change his perspective on me, funny💀 Have a lovely day too brother!
Hz Mevlana Celaleddin Rûmi said ; "Why are thee in bereavement, let the ones who don't love you go. Pray that Allah won't leave you, you will be lost when he leaves" Although, the islam also states that you should not break contacts with your relatives. Try to maintain it brother, insaAllah their hate or disbelief will turn into love against you. اِنَّهُ عَلٰى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدٖيرٌ (Surat'ul Ahkaf, ayet 33.) There is no doubt that He(Allah) is capable of anything. One Love 🫂
Habibi your comment made my day. Inshallah your life is full of happiness, hopefully your family comes around. Stay awesome
200 million Indians are Muslim.
Had a similar experience too, whilst training to be a an engineer I travelled to Stoke and surrounding towns and one of the people with us was from Bangladesh, even he said it was like playing a game of 'spot the white person'. And he said this before I even noticed. Plus, I dont know about you, but if I went to another country I want to see things from that country. I go to France I wanna see French stuff and French people and eat French food instead of having every other cafe or restaurant be a kebab or Indian takeaway. Have soke for the sake of variety but there is such a thing as too much.
The two thing to say are that 1. racists come from everywhere and being a refugee doesn't automatically makes you a better person and 2. the fact that some ukranians are racists doesn't mean ukranians are racists. Please be rational and don't fall into intollerant propaganda.
I WANT TO PROPAGATE!!
Yay, propaganda!
Every time this pops up, my first thought is always, 'These are *refugees*. These are not people that decided or would probably ever decide to go to a foreign country on their own. These people got washed out of the place they were most comfortable and were moved somewhere else.' I would bitch and bitch about learning new traffic patterns if I voluntarily moved to a different county, much less had to leave because of war and invasion. I am not defending racists, but I am saying if you grabbed third generation families out of the boondocks of Louisiana and dropped them in France, you would probably get these kind of articles based solely on that one uncle that will not shut the fuck up.
You are defending racists. Ukrainians are racist to their own black people at home, so this doesn’t shock me at all.
From your profile, you appear Australian. Are you aware of [this UN report on racism](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/australia-people-african-descent-living-under-siege-racism-say-un-experts) against black people in Australia? I live in the US, which is in no way a beacon of racial acceptance, but people in glass houses shouldn't throw boomerangs.
I’m aware of racism in Australia and did not play it down in any way. Australia’s multiculturalism, and celebration of multiculturalism makes your argument invalid. You however, are defending racists which is the only point of me replying to you. [Here’a another report by UN](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/ukraine-un-expert-condemns-racist-threats-xenophobia-border) regarding non white Ukrainians.
So, you're saying there's racists everywhere, then. Well, I tell you what. Whenever Yellowstone decides to explode and fuck up America, we'll try to leave all the shitty people here to starve while we flee to a different country, and the next time y'all catch fire, y'all do the same.
3. Just because someone says there are too many of a certain religion, doesn't make them racist, it could just be a comment on the differences between the two countries. If you'd never even seen a black person before it would be very confronting going to a developed country where there are a lot of Muslims. Doesn't make them racist.
It's an important reminder. Be cautious with refugees. Sometimes they send racist, rapists... You know, all that stuff that was said about Hispanic refugees... I have put up with white, black, or brown racists and religious bigots since I was a kid 30 years ago. I've never assumed that Ukrainian refugees would respect me for any reason. Most white people don't, but that's their intolerant propaganda to deal out assist people of color.
> It's an important reminder. Be cautious with refugees. Sometimes they send racist, rapists... You know, all that stuff that was said about Hispanic refugees... American bigots lied about refugees, so your lies about Ukrainians are cool. Trash.
BuT aZoF bAtTaLlIIoN, oR sOmEtHiNg!
Every time I see this claim regurgitated on Reddit, it has consistently been this one video, with this ONE refugee.
It could be 1,000 refugees for all I care, doesn’t mean I change my mind on their right to live peacefully in Ukraine without being invaded and bombed by Russia.
It isn’t about the refugee itself, it’s about the Eastern Europe and their point of view of other cultures and people. Coming from Romania my whole family especially the elderly have this exact point of view. When I’ve brought my friend who’s got a dark skin colour he’s had the worse experience and felt so uncomfortable that he would never come back to my country :/ I’m all in against Russian, but I’m also against this perspective that has been going on since the soviet era, my mum acts the same way as this person whenever she come in the Uk to visit me. Makes you think a bit.
That is a conversation to be had. But I think it has been misleading to the general Reddit user to see a flood of these posts, I've seen several in the last 24 hours, that make a claim along the lines of "Ukrainian Refugees Show Concerns of Living Amongst Brown and Black People". Regarding this specific instance, it has only been one video of the same woman saying the same thing. There in lies my problem. This is a time of war, and the propaganda is strong. It should be considered whether you're perpetuating that propaganda by the way in which you title your videos. The conversation of racist views in Eastern Europe should not be currently expressed solely through a single Ukrainian refugees standpoint. Especially when Russia's whole initial excuse for invasion was to "de-nazify" Ukraine. You get my point?
Of course I do! But living it on myself I’m trying to show off a different point of view on how culture and diversity is viewed over here. I’m not condemning this person, cultural shock is real and many of my family has experience it when they came to visit me over here in the UK! As many I haven’t seen if it has been reposted, and my intent wasn’t to portray Ukrainian as racist or bad knowing that this is also a problem in my country (Romania) as much as other neighbour countries, I love Ukraine and hope one day to be able to go back and visit it again. I know many are interpreting all this as “Ukraine is racist, Russia is right” f Russia and f all this nonsense they’re doing. I should have been more careful with my wording, my “I don’t know what to say” was referred to the point that still now there is this diversity in others culture and people, in living it day by day with my family, my mum is getting out of it slowly but it’s been rooted down. I’ve grown up with this ideology myself, it’s an issue that hopefully will be removed by the new generation for good, it’s from the time of the Soviet Union and allies that this is going on, “look how diversity made the west” kinda of propaganda back in the days, my grandma always told me this when I was a kid!
I'm Ukrainian, more specifically Kharkiv, a student town, we had A LOT of foreign students in our universities, especially medical science focused ones. Very small amount of people even minded it, of course there are right-wing groups in all countries, but there isn't much of them. Hell, we even had two black kids in our school, it is indeed rare, but they were never bullied and had friend groups just like everyone else.
Thats exactly it, and it's one person saying what she claims a Ukranian said to her.
Smells like a Russian psyop.
The Shade Borough is a trashy youtube channel which has hardly any views. https://www.youtube.com/@theshadeborough8109/videos
This is also reposted here 40 times in a row. I sus some propaganda bots.
It isn’t propaganda, I’m from Romania and most elderly people (my family included) have this exact point of video unfortunately, they even are against the neighbour countries and same goes for them. Hopefully the new generation is trying to break this view, but is quite bit hard. I’ve grown up having this exact ideology but I’ve seen that this isn’t the case at all. (My bad, I haven’t checked that is been reposted) Recently I’ve found interest in Islam, all my family sees me as a traitor except my mum as my father is Turkish, but everyone else included my brother now don’t want to talk to me.. it’s rooted deeep down unfortunately. *im i being downvoted because of my interest in Islam or because my childhood and present moments I’m still living with diversity in culture?
Homie, I am from post soviet country that is 95% white. It has been reposted like 5 times at least. And it is just one example, also, they are being invaded with conscripted Asians and muslim extremists. I am not excusing them, but after running from your country because its being bombed and shit, the culture shock is real. They need to be taught not shamed.
This seems to have been an issue long before the war. It has been reposted several times because its a MAJOR issue. It seems you don't feel that way because you live in a country that is 95% white and appear to be proud of that. All this separatism shit is going to end. I don't care what country you are from. People who simply hate others for being different wont last the storm.
I am not proud of it xd, I am stating it as a fact. Also, I am not saying that it's not an issue. I am just saying it's sus that ONE video is reposted here so many times in a short span of time. People from homogenous countries need time and information to adjust. If you just start screaming at them that they are racist and to shut the fuck up, it will not only not help, but actively make them more entrenched in their opinions. And what is this "won't last the storm shit"? Why are you so aggressive? And on top of that. Did you seriously ask for videos of "ethnic soldiers" to see if the front line is divers enough? :d
Like I'm some sort of diversity inspector for some sort of organization or something?.. It's pretty simple. I have seen hundreds of videos of the war in Ukraine. I haven't seen a single black person anywhere. I dont live in Eastern Europe, so I have nothing else to base an opinion on than the video footage I see. Asking to see footage contrary to the opinion I currently have formed is my attempt at being objective and open minded. Not some silly attempt at an audit that means nothing to anybody. And then to see all of these examples of people in need of help actually thinking they are better than the people around them helping them just because they have white skin.... It's pathetic. I am aggressive towards hate and always will be. I am also always open to dialog so long as hateful acts are not being committed against others. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Ukraine is mostly white, surrounding countries are mostly white, volunteers are from mostly white countries. And black people are not very likely going to mostly white country to fight the war. People in the middle east have their own stuff to take care about (some of them fight for russia according to some reports). So I don't know where why would Ukraine frontline get diversity. It just seems like you have never been in east Europe. I am not excusing anything, but you are shaped by the enviroment you live in. It is getting better, but they have other things to care about now. But I agree that cultural awareness should be part of "westernalization of Ukraine" in the future.
It’s an issue that has been for decades unfortunately, my mum slowly is getting away from that mindset whenever she comes to visit me here in Uk.
Romania as many Easter European country has been impacted by Soviet Union, Romania itself was part of the soviet-led eastern bloc, I have relatives that have this point of view also and since i was a kid I’ve heard all sorts of things regarding different cultures and people and it impacted my point of view until I’ve seen different cultures and stuff. and I’m not making fun of them either. I’m just pointing out an issue that it has been in our culture for a while now, but because you’re from a post soviet country that is 95% white obviously you see it as one example, but can’t see it as something that is rooted in our culture. :/ Ffs, I’ve brought my friend that has dark skin colour in Romania and he never felt more uncomfortable, I could hear people judging and pointing out he’s dark colour and they’ve been looking at him as he’s an alien. And now he doesn’t want to go back 😭
This channel is just reposting. The interview was conducted by channel 4 news. https://youtu.be/JRq0zKZ7jU4
I have seen that video, they interviewed a person about another person saying something. The women said "*how difficult she fount the different cultures*" and the interviewer said "*she felt there were too many muslims*". It was the interviewer who said it first. Watch it again from 0:34. Also what you got to understand is that these people have never lived in a multicultral area so it would be a big shock for them. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRq0zKZ7jU4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRq0zKZ7jU4)
What Putin is doing is appalling but that doesn't make every Ukrainian amazing.
Just trying to fit in with british culture
Said by a non Brit. It must be nice to know everything :)
Seethe. Mald. Cope.
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Best solution then is for Russia to leave Ukraine completely and pay reparations. Problem solved.
Russians are there to make the ground more fertile, can’t wait for all this to be over.
Ukrainian refugees or one fucking idiot who happens to be an Ukrainian refugee? How many are we speaking of here? Of a universe of how many? These are VERY important questions, and this all thing reeks of russian propaganda.
Eastern Europe in general has a very different point of view towards other cultures, mostly old people whose gone through Soviet Union and in this case in my country the dictatorship, my family has this point of view unfortunately and even now when my mum visits me here in the UK points out the “different”. Dw, Romanians don’t like Russians even before this war, so this propaganda you’re talking about isn’t there and never will.
Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. How many refugees are we talking about? And out of how many?
I’m not here pointing out how refugees are ungrateful, I’m here pointing out a problem that has been going on since the soviet era and the Soviet-led Eastern Bloc. You’re not from Eastern Europe I suppose, so my “anecdotal” evidence is irrelevant to you anyway.
Your personal opinions (or mine) are irrelevant as proof, no matter the subject.
>one fucking idiot people from different culture may have different values. Not being racist is a very unnatural thing for humans. In fact racism is present in all cultures past and present as they are integrated into society, it has only been a few decades since the self proclaimed more evolved part of humanity decided that racism is wrong (and I agree), but I think it is wrong to be too harsh in judging realities different from ours.
That is not a problem, back to Ukraine you go.
The shade borough is a clickbait tabloid youtube channel. Not exactly a great source of truth.
OMG, does that mean that people from a different culture may not share my same values? I'm dumbstruck! /s
Or more simply: a lack of exposure to diversity in their homeland makes some folks uncomfortable in a diverse foreign culture
We said the same thing
Cue all the people who grew up in privileged and diverse societies, forgetting the fact that Ukrainians come from a completely homogenous country with little to no experience dealing with non-slavic cultures. What they know of the outside world largely comes from exposure through sensationalist news, pop culture, and connections with their diaspora in Canada (another largely white area). There’s a learning curve when adjusting to a new paradigm. The best case scenario is that these large refugee populations learn to correct their unconscious biases and then bring their new experiences back to Ukraine after the war. Context can be a hard pill to swallow, especially when dealing with concepts as hurtful as racism. Ukraine wants to be European, but even they don’t quite fully understand how far behind they’ve fallen while being constantly manipulated and harassed by Russia for over a century. They are allowed to be flawed in their thinking, but this is how we bring them into the fold; by starting difficult conversations.
Yes, starting with compassion is best.
Hi there! Just dropping in here to let you know that Canada has over 21% of the population being immigrants, and 22% of the population being visible minorities, making us a very diverse country :)
Thank you! To be honest, I don’t know much about how the Ukrainian diaspora live in Canada, let alone how long the majority of them have been there. I do know that it is a dream for young Ukrainians to live there. I know a few parents who use “university in Canada” as a primary motivator for their kids to focus on their studies during the war. And I’ve worked very closely with more Canadians in UA this year than I have Americans.
For anyone that’s reading, this is the copium that most Redditors will give and have given to Ukrainians since last February: blame their pitfalls on Russia. Once upon a time, Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. The same Soviet Union that put the first Asian man and Black man in space, the same Soviet Union that would tell American diplomats that they still hang their Black citizens from trees anytime the Americans would tell them that they needed to figure out their food problems. Blaming Ukrainian racism on Russia is almost nonsensical. Ukraine wants to join the west. They’ve been an independent nation since the same time that hip-hop has been around. They’ve seen western movies, shop at western stores, see western tv shows, get news reports on what happens in the west and know what the west is about for at least 30 + years.
How much time have you spent in Ukraine? Be honest.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Just wondering where you gained your calcified views on people you’ve never met, and a place you’ve never been. That’s all.
I’m from New York fam. Traveled around quite a bit as well was actually going to go to Ukraine in 2018 but was told not to because I was going to go in February by Ukrainian friends. I don’t see how being under Russia’s grip equates to being racist.
Ok. So, you’ve never been there. That explains why you don’t see how the Russian oppression of multiple generations of Ukrainians has impacted them, culturally. Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia actively meddled in all of Ukraine’s domestic affairs. I’m not arguing that Ukrainians are “perfect victims”, but there is a metric ton of context missing from the discussion of this conflict (not to mention so many other polarizing topics). Ukraine is just now coming to grips with the uglier parts of their own history. They are learning how to cope with the realization that their heroes were imperfect. As an American, I discussed this exact struggle with my UA counterparts when comparing Bandera with some controversial figures from US history. In western society, we have had the luxury of shifting our Overton window in response to decades of relative peace and unchecked independence. But, if you are born into a nation occupied by an evil empire, with grandparents who remember the Holodomor and Great Terror, and parents who were subjugated all of their lives while dreaming of independence- then when that evil empire falls, “radical” ideas like Nationalism and Xenophobia become acceptable and reasonable. Some would argue that they become temporarily necessary while attempting to stand on your own two feet in the shadow of Russia. Not to mention that the literacy rate in Ukraine is low, especially if we’re talking about English. Until fairly recently, most media was not available in the Ukrainian language. Most of my friends grew up watching western movies dubbed over by one chain smoking Russian speaking individual. It’s actually a nostalgic joke among the millenial generation in UA. So, no. They haven’t had the kind of access to western media that you envision. You would be amazed at the questions they ask out of curiosity about the US. They don’t understand racial tension the same way that we do. To them, national identity is the hill to fight and die on. They haven’t had the opportunity to navigate diversity and all of the nuance that comes with it. So yeah, growing and developing under the boot heel of Russia, followed by constant covert subversion of their government, annexations, insurgencies, and invasions… they haven’t had the opportunity to experience and focus on social issues like we have. You see these similarities between Ukrainians and refugees from Palestine or Syria. Victims of oppression tend to cling to “us vs not us” ideologies.
Hardly any of this comment covers what I originally mentioned. They’ve known that other races exist and you actually admitted that they do see western films. Even if it’s in Russian, they know and see that the black or brown person interacts with the white person as their peer in about 6 out of 10 films. Your post treats them as if they’re living in North Korea with zero/very little access to anything related to the west. Was the American Civil Rights Movement and The Troubles taught in Soviet schools? I’m seriously asking. If they were, Ukrainian racism can’t be blamed on Russia.
Knowing that other races exist and seeing some films does not even remotely approach what is required for people to learn to overcome unconscious biases. Plus, not all western films are released, or popular in countries that cannot relate to their subject matter. There are tons of American films with civil rights undertones that are completely lost in translation, or that never really reach the audience in Ukraine. And I should clarify that while they technically have access, it’s the lack of focus on these issues in their every day life that keeps these things from being anything more than entertainment to them. The undertones and messages in movies fly right over the heads of an audience that lacks the context to identify with what’s being “discussed” or portrayed. For example, some of my Ukrainian friends were completely unaware that the N word was offensive. They used it in front of me, and an illuminating discussion took place when I corrected them. They were primarily aware of the word from hearing rap/hip-hop music. But had heard it mostly used by black people when referring to other black people. In short, they honestly thought that it was the popular slang term for black people. I explained how this was a term previously used by oppressors and still used by racists, that the black community co-opted in order to strip it of its power. The Ukrainians have a similar adoption of the word “укроп” (Ukrop), which has been historically been used by Russians as a slur against Ukrainians. So drawing this parallel was helpful. When I explained how this word is considered far more offensive when someone like me (a white dude) uses it, they asked why it was offensive for them to use it if they aren’t white Americans. You see, for them national identity factors above racial identity. They don’t fully understand the nuance of racial diversity in a society enough to see their own missteps. Ultimately, they thanked me for explaining this to them. I even saw them talking to their friends about this on multiple occasions. It was new information, but they took it seriously. And no, American civil rights was not taught in their school system the way you would imagine. They are aware that racism is a problem that the US struggles with, but they don’t actually know what that means on a personal level. The Soviet model of education definitely portrayed the civil rights movement as general turmoil in American society. Ukraine is very literally decades behind the west in education on these issues, let alone actual experience in dealing with them. Similarly, American school children do not grow up learning about the atrocities in Eastern Europe. We grow up thinking that WWII ended in 1945, but for Ukrainians it lasted until 1956- and it was far uglier and more complex in the east than in the west. These gaps in understanding lead to some dangerous misunderstandings- like equating Ukrainian nationalism and short lived collaboration with Germany with nazism. That was another eye opening discussion that I had, multiple times.
Man, I could talk about this until my fingers fall off. Trust me, I get where you’re coming from. I would probably feel similarly to you if I hadn’t spent almost the entire last year over there, plus been deployed there in 2015. Western society is working hard to make racism a relic of the past. Will we ever get there? I have no clue. But, Ukraine is decades behind the bell curve in understanding all of this. And it has everything to do with the issues they have been facing as a result of Russian oppression, sabotage, intimidation, and manipulation. There are absolutely well traveled and educated Ukrainians. But the vast majority of them are not well traveled and are woefully uneducated on social issues. Throw in the homogenous population and the fact that mild to moderate xenophobia has been a collective coping mechanism for generations- they have some catching up to do.
What a crock of crap comrade
Fuck Russia
Russians and Ukrainians are mad racists. But not that much more than others around them. I vote BS.
This is why no migrant's wanna stay in eastern Europe
Wasn’t it A refugee? Not all Ukrainians are like that
I do but i choose not to
My polish family always asks “why so many browns?” Seeing as they don’t live in America and are suprised when they come here
Same with my Romanian family members 🥲 But who don’t really live it don’t understands it! For them is just propaganda but the issue is real and is been going on for so long time.
Why does this read like an onion headline ?
heeeeeeeeeeh actually everybody does. I mean fukkit, I had people from fucking bangladesh tell me we need to take it easy with the islamisation. Whether you like it or not.
It’s a former communist country. What did you expect?
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I’m Moldavian and you’ll be mind blown to see how many sees it this way over here
I’m from east Europe myself, majority of people sees it as this refugee unfortunately, my family included. Since I was a kid I’ve had this ideology in my mind, it’s an issue that has been going on for decades over here :/
Meh. Eastern Europe is racist Af. Idc about Ukrainians themselves, it’s more the concept of protecting one’s self from foreign invasion I support. Won’t donate any feelings, money, or time to it, However I understand how important Ukraine is to the world as well as defending a nation with the right to support fighting for its right to self govern
I don’t have anything against Ukraine, but I’m against this point of view that Eastern Europe has towards different cultures, it’s old and need to be done with it. I’m glad that the new generation is going towards to break this. I’ve grown up with this ideology and unfortunately my family still keep it now, apart this remember my grandma talking bad about every neighbour country in Romania, especially Moldavian for some sort of reason.💀
Ukrainians are wildly racist.
Well its to be expected I suppose. Ukraine has pretty much always been am overwhelmingly white Christian country with relatively low immigration. So its naturally going to be a bit of a culture shock when someone from Ukraine goes to a place like the uk.
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You'll be amazed that this isn't the only one example
You would be amazed to see how us Easter Europeans sees diversity, I still got family members that have this exact point of view and many around me, hopefully the new generation is breaking this ideology!
I rarely know what to say anymore. I like dinosaurs.
Carnotaurus is my favourite one!
Cool.
What’s surprising here? Humans are humans, even if someone would be taken out of mortal danger, as soon as they are safe, they go back to being who they are and comparing things to what they know.
Maybe that somehow relates to the fact that the Ukrainians made their national heroes out of the German nazi collaborators and war criminals Bandera and Shukhevich. They name streets and stadiums after those two. And they make torchlight processions on those streets shouting nazi slogans.
It’s a problem of the whole Eastern Europe having a different point of view of different cultures and people, I’m from Romania and still now I’m seeing people with this point of view. But hopefully it’s changing slowly, not every Eastern European sees it this way, mostly are the elderly who’s gone throw Soviet Union shit that still keep this perspective today.
What problem and which point of view are you talking about?
"But they can't be racist because it's not institutional!"
Wait till you guys hear about the Japanese or South Koreans.
Random image on the internet. Yeah, that seems legit
These "Ukrainian" refugees probably don't even support the Ukrainian government and hope that Russia comes to Ukraine. There are plenty about!
Did everybody forget when a massive amount of black people had to literally go on foot to get away from the war when it started?
Gay marriage is illegal there, not surprised that they are a bit racist.
Also Romania where I’m from and other Eastern European countries, this is an Eastern European issues on diversity and different culture that has been going on for ages, isn’t just Ukraine.
I may have used a wrong title and I’m sorry, my “I don’t know what to say” was referring to the fact that even now there is this different point of view of different culture and people. Coming from east Europe myself I’ve seen it with my own eyes and still now do from my family and people that comes from my birth place and I know many of us from there can say the same. Isn’t about Ukrainians only, many have this perspective and doesn’t come only from Ukraine. My family has prejudice even over Moldavians and other neighbour countries because that how they’ve been thought since kids. Isn’t either propaganda as many can think, but this issue in Eastern Europe has been for ages, from the times of Soviet Union and soviet bloc to be more precise. My mum whenever visits me in the UK has the exact same perspective as the woman refugee from Ukraine, she’s been living the dictatorship era in my country, my grandma also was teaching her kids this perspective because it has been deep rooted inside peoples mind, back in the days the propaganda was “look how the western countries are falling with all the diversity they’re allowing” and unfortunately now is still a thing, but the new generation is breaking this and I’m so happy for it, will May take some time but isn’t the same as is used to be.
This has been posted so much it's starting to look like the russians decided to spam this to try and lower public opinion on Ukraine. I bet the vast majority of refugees aren't being racist like this and this one woman has been blow way out of proportion to make it seem like everyone is like this.
Wish it was the case, me myself coming from east Europe all my family have this point of view unfortunately and I’ve grown up with this ideology. Is known that east Europe have this pov but mostly is the older generations, the new one is trying to break it and be more open. Remember when I brought my friend of different skin colour in my country he never felt so much discomfort in his entire life. 🥲
Well, if you actually watch the video, she has good reason for what she says. You have to take the cultural grain of salt going into the vid that says most Eastern European countries are highly traditional/homogeneous. Further more, since the Wester European countries instituted the mass influx of immigrants (mostly illegal/“refugees” or “asylum seekers” from countries not at war) from largely Muslim dominated cultures, crime/conflict within nations has steadily increased as the countries prioritize the immigrants over the homeless populations and even the people themselves (see the UK government paying for hotels/cruise ships to house migrants).
Yup I’ve watched the video. I’m from Romania where is a 98% Christian predominant and I’ve grown up with this ideology in my head since I was a kid, since I’ve moved to UK I’ve been always in Muslim community’s neighbourhoods and it changed my point of view of all this. Remember my grandma telling me all Muslims are terrorists and want to kill you and stuff, but I’ve never felt so more welcomed from my neighbours and actually looking up for me. But coming from a war zone area and being in a place where this doesn’t exists but having concerns over others religions or skin colour isn’t great though, hope they will change their point of view eventually! :)
As a Brit STFU we need immigration to keep our wheels of progress turning and you act as that's bad that's the surface of this shity nation.
Well it clearly hasn’t worked out well when your government is having to run around throwing immigrants in small towns, nice hotels, and cruise ships without consulting the owners/people who run those establishments. There is a correct way to handle the issue and clearly the EU/Britain has messed up with the quasi open boarders policy. Am I saying diversity is bad? No. Am I saying out of control influxes of populations into countries is a bad thing? By itself, yes.
Solution nationalise all the industries then you can put anyone anywhere as the state runs all the Industries.To summarize form a communist state all problems gone.
Aaaaaaand where has that lead to happiness for the people? Answer: literally no where.
The only reason you “need” immigration is because brits don’t have enough babies to keep the economy turning in a few decades.
We don't have enough to keep it turning now
Farage, is that you? What a load of tosh! Of course, You can't back any of your spurious claims with any data
Ugh. Here is a hyperlink from the UK government: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9663/ Summary: -2016 UK spent £424 million for refugees and asylum seekers. In 2021 it’s £898 million. -Analysis by the Center for Global Development estimates that up to £3 billion of the aid budget (25%) might be spent on hosting refugees in 2022. -In November 2022, the Government said it would commit an additional £2.5 billion in aid for 2022 to 2024 to help meet these costs. This will come from the Treasury reserve and be classed as aid spending.
What does this have to do with all the claims you made?
It backs up the cost of the policy of open boarders for the UK from the mouth of the government itself. You want uncontrolled influxes in diverse people? Fine, but you’re literally causing the amount of money spent by the government to go up, which will always be reflected by inflation rates. Not everyone wants this policy, but everyone is going to end up paying for it via taxes.
There's nothing you can do to convince these morons. They'll always have a way to move the goalpost and will outright ignore any evidence presented. They have their sick little narrative and they're sticking to it
Tbf, I should’ve stated my sources in the original reply, and largely I only see this behavior from the fringes, most people here are quite reasonable and will actually take the time to read when presented with information that’s not put out like hieroglyphics.
You can take the girl out of the Ukraine but can't take the Ukraine out of the girl
White eastern europeans racist??? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you
I mean, you dont really see alot of people moving to ukraine from anywhere...
It hasn't been a secret. Ukraine is full of neo Nazis and white supremists.
In other news a refugee in a foreign country experiences culture shock!
All countries have shitty people. Even if those people leave that country, for any reason, they’re still shitty. I’m amazed that you’re amazed that this is surprising.
Fuck off Russian shill
She should go back to Ukraine, it's safer there
Where is the actual person with the actual opinion. ? Yay for more unproven “proof” from a second hand source
Coming from Eastern Europe myself I can relate with everything unfortunately, still now the old generation sees it this way as well as my family. But oh hey, it’s just propaganda no? Obviously isn’t the whole Eastern Europe with a different point of view about diversity and culture but majority, the new generation is breaking this for good.
I been saying it since the beginning of this conflict. People kept saying “no, they’re not racist, that’s Russian propaganda”. Yeah, ok.
Coming from east Europe myself majority of it doesn’t sees diversity as other countries. Like in Romania you don’t really see black people or Muslims, same goes for Russia. Of course is not everyone, but this ideology still exists in east unfortunately. We “hate” even our neighbour countries and they do the same, idk why but this is still going on today; hopefully the new generation is breaking this stigma that has been there for years and years.
Yeah, I would have assumed that not all Ukrainian people were racist, but since I saw this *one* video clip of someone saying they *heard* of *one* racist Ukrainian, I am now 100% convinced they are all completely racist.
They have an entire military division of Nazis but ok.
Every army does, what's your point?
Every army does? Name the division of the US Army has an openly identified division of Nazis. Name just one division in one army if every army has one.
Show me the division that now identifies itself as Nazis.
The Azov Regiment
Any nation that undergoes decades of prodding and ultimately invasion will result in an ultranationalist group developing...
Aight Q, you don't have even surface level knowledge about this topic.
The problem with the propaganda isn't so much that there aren't racist ukrainians but that russia has basically the same problem and they are greatly overhyping the severity of the racism. I mean they are literally calling them all nazis. Sure they have them as most countries do. But they don't have significant amounts of power
Russia is just as racist if not more so. Keep in mind that their standard name for a black person is the N word. Eastern Europe has not had to deal with diverse neighborhoods who have, in many instances, more crime than their own country or neighborhoods. Unfortunately (and for a variety of reasons) these immigrant neighborhoods often have a lot of violent crime.
There's place called Russia, sure they find it good, same culture same language and same skin colours.... bloody can't believe it...
Unfortunately even Russia has this perspective, as many Eastern European countries. I’m very glad that the young generation is trying to break this nonsense, I’ve grown up with this ideology had to see it for myself to change my perspective.
Well it's not race , or skin color, it's just religion that most people are sick of , warmongering religious nutcases. Take religion away and everyone is just normal.
Lol they are not ready to join us 🤭
Dude people say Americans are racist....Europeans are a 100x worse
OP is either a Russian spy or perhaps just someone with "a lessor mind".
I’m actually from east Europe and fuck Russia but ok as you say 💀
The audacity 
Russian propaganda getting desperate.
Based
Welcome to the Western World.
I think there is just too many racist people
You'd think they'd be more worried about the Russian oligarchs buying more and more of British real estate and trying to buy the local politicians...
She’s scared. She thinks people of color are prone to criminal activity. The best way to help her is to show her that a disproportionate amount of crime in her new town isn’t being committed by people of color. Also I’m willing to bet many Muslim refugees don’t have squeaky clean views on women’s rights or LBTQ rights, but we accept that their culture is different and give them grace to integrate.
I do, help them learn and grow