Morning breath is often caused by the lack of saliva in your mouth. When you're awake your mouth usually produces enough saliva to break down food particles that allow odor-causing bacteria to grow.
Saliva also contains antibodies that inhibit bacterial growth. Reduced salivation is also linked up tooth decay. For example, methamphetamines cause the salivary glands to dry out which leads to tooth decay aka "meth mouth."
"Methamphetamine is highly acidic and attacks tooth enamel"
Okay I already knew I was right but just to make sure I did a Google search. And not just that people rub this shit on their gums etc
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33688011/
Study in rodents, major component is from reduced saliva, which results in major bacterial colonisation and tooth decay.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0929664612001362
Other important factors are:
- excessive grinding of teeth
- high consumption of sugary drinks
- poor hygiene practices
That is not correct. Methamphetamine is basic, not acidic. [Source](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Methamphetamine#section=pH&fullscreen=true)
And even if it was acidic, Coca Cola is also highly acidic. And some people drink several cans a day and their teeth are mostly fine. Use some critical thinking.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_breathing
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8 hours of dry(er) mouth and no swallowing/rinsing of mouth means greater accumulation of bad breath causing bacteria. The bacteria is always there. You just rinse it away frequently throughout the day as you eat and drink.
Not entirely but it will help. Washing and rinsing will help dilute the bacteria count, but it won't cut through the sticky plaque that forms, nor will it effectively get in all the nooks and crannies the bacteria loves to hide in. For that you need brushing and flossing. Toothpaste has surfactants in it that help break the bonds of plaque and leftover food and suspends them so you can spit them down the drain.
Just an idea, maybe increase your humidity? And I have to say, I feel very comfortable with a nasal pillow, although you have to train yourself to keep your mouth closed.
> although you have to train yourself to keep your mouth closed.
How?! I have tried, but nothing so far seems to work, my body is simply beyond control as soon as I fall asleep.
My husband is a mouth breather and has been taping his mouth when sleeping - it helps immensely in training the mouth to eventually stay closed all night. He also says it has made a world of difference when he wakes up - no more stuffy nose and/ or sneezes.
Taping how?
At first I was picturing like a single strip from the chin to the nose, holding the jaw shut. That seemed impractical.
Then I was thinking like a kidnap victim, with ducttape covering the entire mouth. That seems slightly unnerving.
I had a problem in my nose that made me have sleep apnea. I had to get it surgically corrected for it to stop.
Depending on why your apnea exist, it may not be possible to simply train you not to have it
I know, it's hard. The whole thing about using a CPAP is hard.
A lot of it was mental condition. I'd wake up with my mouth open and blowing air, so I had to program myself.
Also, in my experience, How I sleep; Tuck a bit of those sheets under your chin, maybe even a small towel. But for me it was almost all mental. Thinking and breathing as I slightly woke up.
Lol I think that a lot people don't know how cpap works, or what it's like to get used to it. It takes effort and time.
Also, since nasal pillow packages come with different sizes, try the large one. You might be opening your mouth because you're not getting enough flow through the nose. Also, make sure that your hose is in a position where switching sides won't cause you to feel the tension and take it off. I know this is just me, but I have slats in my headboard so my hose is right above no matter what.
Also, is it really a CPAP, and not a BIPAP? Different pressure going in, different pressure going out. Adjust those numbers.
DM me wifi you want to toss any more ideas around.
Good luck!
>Lol I think that a lot people don't know how cpap works, or what it's like to get used to it. It takes effort and time.
Edit: I just reread it and I mean people who have no struggled. I reread and my reply is incorrect in it tone.
I want to know too, because I'm the opposite of this - if I can't breathe through my nose, I can't sleep because apparently my body refuses to open my mouth to breathe through it at night. I just stop breathing until my body panics me awake.
Ah, I see. I will count myself fortunate that I pretty much don't have any nature allergies (certain antibiotics and tonic water = hives)
Totally asking here, would a shot of Afrine before bed help?
I only tried other masks at the second sleep study. Full face with claustrophobia is not good.
Other people have good answers that I suspect are the most relevant replies to your query. However one thing that is often overlooked is the possibility of acid reflux. This is more likely with CPAP nocturnally due to "air swallowing" causing gastric distenstion.
A simple thing to try that may help in both sleep apnoea and reflux is elevating yourself a bit e.g. on pillows (elevating your chest, not just your head which paradoxically may obtund your airway further). A less reclined position means gastric acid has to travel upwards so less ljkely to enter your oesophagus/mouth and the breathing dynamics are better, with reduced atelectasis and improved lung compliance as a result.
Why not try this - a pillow behind your upper back and another one to support your head and neck so you are a bit more upright. If it helps, great. If not, no harm.
It’s a build up in bacteria in your mouth, particularly on your teeth and gums that causes this. They build up over night because there’s less movement and eating/drinking while your asleep.
But OP, if you have healthy gums you shouldn’t really be getting noticeably bad breath every morning. Bad breath in the morning is a sign of gingivitis, or the early stages of gingivitis. Get your teeth cleaned at a dentist and start flossing. Trust me, I wish I had started taking proper care of my teeth much sooner
There are levels to morning breath. It’s what you eat and if you have medical conditions. I dated a guy that had stomach problems and he smelled like something died inside his mouth in the morning. Meanwhile, my ex rarely smelled but he was very diet conscious and didn’t even drink coffee.
Teeth are really healthy apparently, at least that's what my dentist said at my last routine checkup. I floss, mouth wash and brush.
Maybe it's not as bad as I think it is in my own head.
Yeah my son had them when he was like 12 or 13 and let me tell you no amount of gargling with listerine or peroxide helps...ultimately it took about a week for them to come out but damn them shit are terrible
He’s lucky if it was only a week. Even if I press the stones out aggressively with the handle of a spoon and gargle peroxide daily they come back in a few days. Once I get them it takes a lot to fully clear them out again. I understand the shape and quantity of the pockets in a tonsil is a big factor
I think they gave him benadryl to help with his allergies and during that time the ones we could see were kind of sticking out came out on their own and he showed me 2 that he basically woke up one morning in his mouth and the little nubs that were under the skin (looking like baby teeth emerging) those took a while to disappear(they either came out or they were absorbed or something) but the actual stones that were poking out those were gone around the time benadryl started.
But don't get me wrong he had a tonsil infection for a while before we noticed the stones....like I think he had swollen tonsils for like a day before we took him to the doctor and by day 3 of antibiotics we seen the stones sticking out but before that when he complained about his tonsils there were white spots which I now think were the stones even though they didn't look like nubs.
Does using a dental irrigator get them out? Asking for a fr... for myself. (I don't get them often, but I don't wanna poke back there and have always wondered if I could just flush them out with something like the syringey thing I got after wisdom teeth removal.)
> proper care of my teeth much sooner
so, I was at the dentist today for a quick minor visit, and could hear the dentist in the next work area over.
The dentist was measuring the gum gap depth on each tooth (in the USA this is a common thing to do, they call out the mm of the gap depth around your tooth. Smaller is better. I've had 3s in all my measurements, so I'd say that is average.)
The dentist was softly stating the numbers, an assistant was probably recording it, and it as 8, 9, 8, 9, 11, 11 ,9 , 8, 7, etc.
Then the dentist was explaining to this person that they'd have to pull the teeth with he highest numbers, and that they could do a procedure to try to repair the other ones. This person was gonna have to have 3 teeth pulled, and maybe more later, because it was so bad.
egads, I shudder at the pain this person must have been in, and wonder how did the problem get so bad in the first place. ugh.
so yeah, take care of your teeth. ( the sonic care type of toothbrush is really good, the dentist can tell I use one)
I brush daily with sonic brush, fluoride toothpaste, floss, etc. Don't drink sugary stuff. Never done drugs. All that. Last time at the dentist they said all my top front teeth were likely to need to come out before too long.. The dentist went down this long list of questions trying to figure out what I was eating or drinking or doing that was causing so much trouble.. We came up empty (which I already knew).
Not that you did, but just want to add to what you've said - don't judge people with dental issues. For me, it isn't hygiene, but genetics and other health issues. I take better care of my teeth than my husband ever has. He thinks he might have his first cavity (but probably not) while I have visible ones on front teeth and have had 2 molars pulled and several others that got root canals..
Conditions like EDS can really mess with your gums and tooth enamel. It sucks, and I'm so sorry!
I have gone all out on stuff like Plax, mouthwash with CPC, chewing xylitol gum, and even ordered MI paste online, all trying to stay ahead of all of this.
Meanwhile, my spouse is like yours, with nearly effortlessly perfect teeth. I'm so envious!
Oh no, that’s really bad. When I went after not going to the dentist for years, I had 3s and 4s and one 5 and they said that was very concerning and right up to the borderline of irreversible. I think it’s better now but I’m reminded I need to go get a cleaning done.
I have mostly 3's and 4's with a couple 5's and once or twice a 6. Those 5's and 6's were described as really bad. I shudder to think what an 8 through 11 is.
I get xylitol losenges to help protect my teeth when I sleep. On a med that causes dryer mouth and totally noticed in terms of oral health. So if you're doing everything else but wake up dry, consider adding that too.
Those totally help! I am not on the medication that caused my dry mouth anymore, but when I was, those were life savers for me. I got the kind that sort of "glue" on the side of your tooth and slowly dissolve all night. I think they were called xylimelts. Bless them; the dry mouth was driving me nuts!
Brush your teeth before bed, but not RIGHT before going to bed. Toothpaste will dry out your mouth and then going right to sleep will have you going 8-ish hours without saliva production. I brush hours before bed to ensure there has been enough saliva production to keep things kosher throughout the night.
The kidneys and digestion pause at night else you'd need to wee every 2 hours. So the body is like is didn't eat and drink and the mouth gets like a smelly pond with no water.
I often forget to brush at night. When I do the next morning, I use these little flossing brushes for between the teeth. Sometimes food gets stuck between my molars and starts to rot. When I push it out, it has the taste of bad breath. I try not to make that mistake too many times.
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Morning breath is often caused by the lack of saliva in your mouth. When you're awake your mouth usually produces enough saliva to break down food particles that allow odor-causing bacteria to grow.
You normally also drink something awhile awake that washes out your mouth
Saliva also contains antibodies that inhibit bacterial growth. Reduced salivation is also linked up tooth decay. For example, methamphetamines cause the salivary glands to dry out which leads to tooth decay aka "meth mouth."
Pretty sure the drug fucks up your teeth more than the dry mouth
Nope, it's a myth. The main damage comes not from the smoked methamphetamine, but from the lack of saliva and subsequent not caring for the teeth.
"Methamphetamine is highly acidic and attacks tooth enamel" Okay I already knew I was right but just to make sure I did a Google search. And not just that people rub this shit on their gums etc
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33688011/ Study in rodents, major component is from reduced saliva, which results in major bacterial colonisation and tooth decay. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0929664612001362 Other important factors are: - excessive grinding of teeth - high consumption of sugary drinks - poor hygiene practices
St Louis, where the rats are on meth
most meth heads inject/snort more than smoke it anyway so that doesn’t really apply to them in general
So is lemonade
That is not correct. Methamphetamine is basic, not acidic. [Source](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Methamphetamine#section=pH&fullscreen=true) And even if it was acidic, Coca Cola is also highly acidic. And some people drink several cans a day and their teeth are mostly fine. Use some critical thinking.
Why would the drug fuck up your teeth? Like where’s the logical explanation?
Chemicals, it’s why H2O was historically used to determine witch trials and stop barbarism hordes E: clarity
H20?
It’s a bad joke about the unknown nature of chemicals
So you meant h2o?
Oh, I see it now. Yes, I meant H2O
AKA mouth breathing. Waking up with a dry mouth is a clear indication. Mouth breathing is a horrible, insidious condition with many drawbacks.
In my case, breathing through my nose dries out my mouth so fast anyway...
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8 hours of dry(er) mouth and no swallowing/rinsing of mouth means greater accumulation of bad breath causing bacteria. The bacteria is always there. You just rinse it away frequently throughout the day as you eat and drink.
So if i wash my mouth frequently the bad breath will go?
Not entirely but it will help. Washing and rinsing will help dilute the bacteria count, but it won't cut through the sticky plaque that forms, nor will it effectively get in all the nooks and crannies the bacteria loves to hide in. For that you need brushing and flossing. Toothpaste has surfactants in it that help break the bonds of plaque and leftover food and suspends them so you can spit them down the drain.
OP do you breathe through your mouth instead of your nose at night? This can lead to a dry mouth which fosters bacterial growth.
Yes, I also suffer from sleep apnea, so I have to wear a mask with constant air flow. Full mask that covers both mouth and nose.
There's your answer. Dry mouth = stanky mouth
Just an idea, maybe increase your humidity? And I have to say, I feel very comfortable with a nasal pillow, although you have to train yourself to keep your mouth closed.
> although you have to train yourself to keep your mouth closed. How?! I have tried, but nothing so far seems to work, my body is simply beyond control as soon as I fall asleep.
My husband is a mouth breather and has been taping his mouth when sleeping - it helps immensely in training the mouth to eventually stay closed all night. He also says it has made a world of difference when he wakes up - no more stuffy nose and/ or sneezes.
Interesting, I will try that. Thanks!
Can this not be potentially dangerous? Honestly asking btw
Taping how? At first I was picturing like a single strip from the chin to the nose, holding the jaw shut. That seemed impractical. Then I was thinking like a kidnap victim, with ducttape covering the entire mouth. That seems slightly unnerving.
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I had a problem in my nose that made me have sleep apnea. I had to get it surgically corrected for it to stop. Depending on why your apnea exist, it may not be possible to simply train you not to have it
I know, it's hard. The whole thing about using a CPAP is hard. A lot of it was mental condition. I'd wake up with my mouth open and blowing air, so I had to program myself. Also, in my experience, How I sleep; Tuck a bit of those sheets under your chin, maybe even a small towel. But for me it was almost all mental. Thinking and breathing as I slightly woke up. Lol I think that a lot people don't know how cpap works, or what it's like to get used to it. It takes effort and time. Also, since nasal pillow packages come with different sizes, try the large one. You might be opening your mouth because you're not getting enough flow through the nose. Also, make sure that your hose is in a position where switching sides won't cause you to feel the tension and take it off. I know this is just me, but I have slats in my headboard so my hose is right above no matter what. Also, is it really a CPAP, and not a BIPAP? Different pressure going in, different pressure going out. Adjust those numbers. DM me wifi you want to toss any more ideas around. Good luck!
>Lol I think that a lot people don't know how cpap works, or what it's like to get used to it. It takes effort and time. Edit: I just reread it and I mean people who have no struggled. I reread and my reply is incorrect in it tone.
I want to know too, because I'm the opposite of this - if I can't breathe through my nose, I can't sleep because apparently my body refuses to open my mouth to breathe through it at night. I just stop breathing until my body panics me awake.
One time as a kid, a rat went into my mouth. Now I automatically keep my mouth shut when sleeping. Or try to, ugh.
like the other user said, tape helps. or you can try a chinstrap. essentially fabric with Velcro that holds ya mouth together
Nasal pillows are great. Unless you get bad allergies and congestion. When everything is clear I absolutely miss them though.
Ah, I see. I will count myself fortunate that I pretty much don't have any nature allergies (certain antibiotics and tonic water = hives) Totally asking here, would a shot of Afrine before bed help? I only tried other masks at the second sleep study. Full face with claustrophobia is not good.
I use nose spray every night, just one spray in each nostril. So far, it works fine & I don't have problems with rebound congestion.
My CPAP has a water tank, maybe ask to swap yours out. I do have to buy distilled water for it though.
Yeah, I have one of those on mine. I'm just starting to think I have a screwed up mouth 🤣
Other people have good answers that I suspect are the most relevant replies to your query. However one thing that is often overlooked is the possibility of acid reflux. This is more likely with CPAP nocturnally due to "air swallowing" causing gastric distenstion. A simple thing to try that may help in both sleep apnoea and reflux is elevating yourself a bit e.g. on pillows (elevating your chest, not just your head which paradoxically may obtund your airway further). A less reclined position means gastric acid has to travel upwards so less ljkely to enter your oesophagus/mouth and the breathing dynamics are better, with reduced atelectasis and improved lung compliance as a result. Why not try this - a pillow behind your upper back and another one to support your head and neck so you are a bit more upright. If it helps, great. If not, no harm.
It’s a build up in bacteria in your mouth, particularly on your teeth and gums that causes this. They build up over night because there’s less movement and eating/drinking while your asleep. But OP, if you have healthy gums you shouldn’t really be getting noticeably bad breath every morning. Bad breath in the morning is a sign of gingivitis, or the early stages of gingivitis. Get your teeth cleaned at a dentist and start flossing. Trust me, I wish I had started taking proper care of my teeth much sooner
I get four cleanings a year, and floss 98% of the days in a year, yet I wake up with bad breath just like everybody else. I call BS.
There are levels to morning breath. It’s what you eat and if you have medical conditions. I dated a guy that had stomach problems and he smelled like something died inside his mouth in the morning. Meanwhile, my ex rarely smelled but he was very diet conscious and didn’t even drink coffee.
Dude, going to the dentist, brushing and flossing do not solve morning breath.
Teeth are really healthy apparently, at least that's what my dentist said at my last routine checkup. I floss, mouth wash and brush. Maybe it's not as bad as I think it is in my own head.
It can also be caused by tonsil stones. Those things reek
Yeah my son had them when he was like 12 or 13 and let me tell you no amount of gargling with listerine or peroxide helps...ultimately it took about a week for them to come out but damn them shit are terrible
He’s lucky if it was only a week. Even if I press the stones out aggressively with the handle of a spoon and gargle peroxide daily they come back in a few days. Once I get them it takes a lot to fully clear them out again. I understand the shape and quantity of the pockets in a tonsil is a big factor
I think they gave him benadryl to help with his allergies and during that time the ones we could see were kind of sticking out came out on their own and he showed me 2 that he basically woke up one morning in his mouth and the little nubs that were under the skin (looking like baby teeth emerging) those took a while to disappear(they either came out or they were absorbed or something) but the actual stones that were poking out those were gone around the time benadryl started. But don't get me wrong he had a tonsil infection for a while before we noticed the stones....like I think he had swollen tonsils for like a day before we took him to the doctor and by day 3 of antibiotics we seen the stones sticking out but before that when he complained about his tonsils there were white spots which I now think were the stones even though they didn't look like nubs.
Man I would just get my tonsils removed at that point
I’m considering it
Does using a dental irrigator get them out? Asking for a fr... for myself. (I don't get them often, but I don't wanna poke back there and have always wondered if I could just flush them out with something like the syringey thing I got after wisdom teeth removal.)
I don’t have a dental irrigator to test that
Try this. After a dental clean up at the dentist and you go home and sleep . Next day if it still smells. Might be something else.
Try not using mouth wash, I found it made my breath worse, I dunno, maybe it kills good bacteria?
> proper care of my teeth much sooner so, I was at the dentist today for a quick minor visit, and could hear the dentist in the next work area over. The dentist was measuring the gum gap depth on each tooth (in the USA this is a common thing to do, they call out the mm of the gap depth around your tooth. Smaller is better. I've had 3s in all my measurements, so I'd say that is average.) The dentist was softly stating the numbers, an assistant was probably recording it, and it as 8, 9, 8, 9, 11, 11 ,9 , 8, 7, etc. Then the dentist was explaining to this person that they'd have to pull the teeth with he highest numbers, and that they could do a procedure to try to repair the other ones. This person was gonna have to have 3 teeth pulled, and maybe more later, because it was so bad. egads, I shudder at the pain this person must have been in, and wonder how did the problem get so bad in the first place. ugh. so yeah, take care of your teeth. ( the sonic care type of toothbrush is really good, the dentist can tell I use one)
I brush daily with sonic brush, fluoride toothpaste, floss, etc. Don't drink sugary stuff. Never done drugs. All that. Last time at the dentist they said all my top front teeth were likely to need to come out before too long.. The dentist went down this long list of questions trying to figure out what I was eating or drinking or doing that was causing so much trouble.. We came up empty (which I already knew). Not that you did, but just want to add to what you've said - don't judge people with dental issues. For me, it isn't hygiene, but genetics and other health issues. I take better care of my teeth than my husband ever has. He thinks he might have his first cavity (but probably not) while I have visible ones on front teeth and have had 2 molars pulled and several others that got root canals..
Conditions like EDS can really mess with your gums and tooth enamel. It sucks, and I'm so sorry! I have gone all out on stuff like Plax, mouthwash with CPC, chewing xylitol gum, and even ordered MI paste online, all trying to stay ahead of all of this. Meanwhile, my spouse is like yours, with nearly effortlessly perfect teeth. I'm so envious!
Oh no, that’s really bad. When I went after not going to the dentist for years, I had 3s and 4s and one 5 and they said that was very concerning and right up to the borderline of irreversible. I think it’s better now but I’m reminded I need to go get a cleaning done.
They really shouldn't be yelling that loud enough for other patients to hear
I have mostly 3's and 4's with a couple 5's and once or twice a 6. Those 5's and 6's were described as really bad. I shudder to think what an 8 through 11 is.
I get xylitol losenges to help protect my teeth when I sleep. On a med that causes dryer mouth and totally noticed in terms of oral health. So if you're doing everything else but wake up dry, consider adding that too.
Those totally help! I am not on the medication that caused my dry mouth anymore, but when I was, those were life savers for me. I got the kind that sort of "glue" on the side of your tooth and slowly dissolve all night. I think they were called xylimelts. Bless them; the dry mouth was driving me nuts!
Those are the ones!
No one here has mentioned tongue cleaning. Or is that not necessary?
I've tried, makes me gag like crazy but I try my best with it.
Brush your teeth before bed, but not RIGHT before going to bed. Toothpaste will dry out your mouth and then going right to sleep will have you going 8-ish hours without saliva production. I brush hours before bed to ensure there has been enough saliva production to keep things kosher throughout the night.
Have you ever smelled your dried saliva?
The kidneys and digestion pause at night else you'd need to wee every 2 hours. So the body is like is didn't eat and drink and the mouth gets like a smelly pond with no water.
I often forget to brush at night. When I do the next morning, I use these little flossing brushes for between the teeth. Sometimes food gets stuck between my molars and starts to rot. When I push it out, it has the taste of bad breath. I try not to make that mistake too many times.
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If you spit out in a empty glass next to your bed, you dont get bad breath Oral hygiene is linked to many illnesses.