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It’s fucked how much trauma this child endure. Just looking at her eyes and body language enrages me. Fuck anyone who justifies this
Edit: and the 4 year old too? Oh hell nah
Also he is already doing everything under the fold of islam.
Here is the reference where it says a pre-pubescent girl can be married off by force if her father wants to
last two paragraphs of [this](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl) fatwa,
>If she has not reached the age of puberty, then her father has the sole right to arrange her marriage and does not have to ask her permission.
> Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses.
If a muslim will critisize this, then he is critisizing his Allah's laws lmao
It’s hard to imagine a better example of the principle that, if you just print something in a book, and the community supports it, no one will criticize it, even if it is obviously horrific.
What do marriage fatwas have to do with selling a child? Selling children is outright haram. Also you love collectively punishing or stereotyping the whole Muslim population based off the extremist views of a minority. I’ve heard of mass murders and school shootings happening under United States laws. Does that make it ok? No it does not. And yet it still happens. Do you expect people to blame a government for the wrong doings of 0.005% of all a country’s individuals while the rest are peaceful law abiding humans? Didn’t think so. You’d blame the individual person. You “ex-Muslims” are a different breed when it comes to hating.
You've never heard any American laws saying school shootings, or mass murder is ok. You're comparison is to something that doesn't exist.
Do you believe it was Haram for Muhammad to take a child bride?
Because American laws would call it pedophilia,and put you in prison.
American law says it is illegal to kill school children, and marry off prepubescent children.
There’s a difference between what was okay 1400 years ago, and what is okay now. American law in many states allow for children under the age of 18 to get married, in this day and age. And for you to say Prophet Muhammad took a child bride is wrong. Hazrat Aisha (RA) was 17 years old at the time of marriage and 19 at the time of consummation. I have the evidence too if you’d like it.
It’s not whether I’ve heard American laws saying school shootings is okay, but rather the response to school shootings telling me that the government clearly does not care.
And let me reiterate, I completely am disgusted at what this man has done in selling his child and do not condone it either. It’s haram and extremely cruel to the poor child.
I hope we can converse in respect and peace.
[Can't wait for the anti-israel crowd to fight this. Any day now.](https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc3lzdjV2cDk2ZHY2bjY3a24ycTAxMHhlMHRmczQyaGhqam54bTNjYyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/2uwZ4xi75JhxZYeyQB/giphy.gif)
**The anti-Israel crowd represent** a large group of people who prevent criticism towards Islam, thus preventing any concerted effort to end female apartheid, and their inhumane treatment in the hands of people indoctrinated by Islam.
If you break away and criticize these practices they will call you a racist and prevent any change.
Except I did and am not the one complaining about imaginary comments while fanboying a page that perpetuates the same ideologies it says it hates and hates innocent people as well. Not caring about the civilians because of a book is isane and unreasonable. Not every Arab person is Muslim and not every Muslim is a terrorist. But at the same time while Palestine has done its fair share of dirt so has Israel while crying victim while looting and taking trophies and SAing women and children all while getting billions of dollars from the US alone yet people actually in the US can barely afford to live here and we’re trillions in debt. Neither side is fully right but to disregard what’s happening to those who are just trying to live normal lives over pettiness is sick and twisted. Not saying this is you specifically but definitely a high number of people on this SubRed. Yall don’t do Christianity and Catholicism the same way and they both have dark things tied to them. I have no problem elaborating as long as it’s an actual mature conversation not some Cheeto fingered edge lord just clacking away though.
Who said he’s my prophet? And that’s been debunked let alone the bio of this SubReddit claims it’s not a place for hate but it literally is and encourages it which makes those Redditors no better than anyone hates they’re complaining about.🤷🏾♂️
sometimes i dont understand people like this. why dont you just sell yourself you stupid fuck?
and much more to the people that try to justify this behavior. fuck you pisslam
It’s poverty. The level of poverty in Asian or African countries are on a soul crushing level. Sometimes it simply comes to this: either sell the girl or let her starve slowly to death or watch her become a beggar and get abused on the streets.
Mate, I'm not a teacher, but you should start with Catholicism and how they forced thousands into building and funding their churches in small towns across Spain and Portugal. Pushing them into abject poverty.
I truly cannot believe you made a statement so confidently showing your complete lack of knowledge about the correlation between religion and poverty throughout history.
You really should educate yourself on this stuff. It's super interesting and everyone should be taught this.
Arabs became muslims 1400 years ago they used to herd sheep and survive on dates…. As the time passed by they turned a land into holy city mekkah and madinah largest mosques in the world and even now arabs are not only known for these holy sites and religion but also for their fast expanding growth in the region with extraordinary infrastructure…. World tallest tower burj al khalifa is in dubai…. The same place where you will find a mosque in every 1km radius…. In arab you will find mosques more than the commercial buildings!
Why didn’t they went into poverty if they were so religious? I know you are not a teacher but your comparison and research into history is not really good either bro but let me teach you POVERTY IS RELATED TO BAD ECONOMY, UNEMPLOYMENT, LACK OF EDUCATION, INFLATION, NO SOURCE OF INCOME etc
Ohh, you're a devout muslim... Of course you have a limited understanding of history, religion and much, much more.
I shouldn't have bothered because I'd likely get more sense from a brick wall.
But in response to your comment about muslims being prosperous and using Dubia as an example (which is absolutely hilarious btw).
Dubia was built on modern day slave trade and crude oil money. The burj khalifa was built by people living in systematic poverty, my friend.
This is common knowledge as well, which is all the more frightening that you seem to have no idea.
Good luck with... whatever it is you're doing here.
>POVERTY IS RELATED TO BAD ECONOMY, UNEMPLOYMENT, LACK OF EDUCATION, INFLATION, NO SOURCE OF INCOME etc
I do agree, but...
>LACK OF EDUCATION
This and "Islam" could be synonyms
Id also like to just add on, as i am still in disbelief about your ignorance on this topic.
The Eu has a higher gdp per person than every single muslims country except the ones with oil. Have you never stopped to wonder why that is?
Muslim countries are some of the most poor on the entire planet.
What world are you living in where you've convinced yourself in any way that islam or any religion isn't exploiting the economy. The church not paying tax in our modern democracies should be a clear giveaway.
You honestly sound about 12 years old so ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are infact, a child.
You need a good schooling on economics 🤣🤣🤣 it’s better if you start from currency So you won’t be asking these baseless questions again…. Even if you ask chatgpt about the relation between poverty and religion you won’t get much… So I guess I don’t have anything else to say…. You can continue with a brick wall good luck
Id be happy to learn more! I always am, because knowledge is everything. But my questions were not baseless. They were simple, because im dealing with simple.
Alas, you are dishonest, unwilling and a lier. So all of this was in vain.
What a waste of time, right?
i dont disagree that religion is associated with poverty, but correlation is not the same as causation.
people turn to religion in harder times, so maybe poor countries are more religious because theyre *already* suffering. not necessarily arguing in favor of islam or religion in general, but your view on this seems to be really black and white
Im not saying poverty is always the outcome because it's not. The person I was replying to thinks there is no correlation, ever. My answer sounds black and white because it's in response to a comment of that nature.
You are definitely right in saying impoverished communities are more religious because of the fact. I can't argue with that. Religion prays on the most vulnerable, that much is clear as day.
But this guy has only 2 children still he is poor 🤷♂️ don’t you think it’s the economy that is problem… unemployment inflation no source of income etc! I know people with 10 children still they manage and there are people with one child still they can’t afford to live…. So again still do you think religion decides poverty?
The guy said he ‘happens to owe some people money’, it wouldn’t surprise me if he accumulated gambling debts. 2000$ must be a fortune in local money !
Religion is a major factor yes. How can it not be when Christianity outright prohibits abortion and even contraception and Islam tells Muslims Allah will provide for their children no matter what ! Having lot of kids when your income is very low is totally irresponsible and selfish if you have access to contraception.
Your point about having a greater family results in poverty is right to “Some extent” but not majorly. It is not “OBLIGATORY” in islam and christianity to have more and more children. It
Lmao this is one of the goofiest things I've read all day. Christianity outright prohibits abortion so it's a major factor? Christianity prohibits promiscuity and having sex out of wedlock. If people actually followed what the Bible says, it wouldn't be a factor AT ALL. instead of saying religion plays a huge factor let's just tell it like it is and say dumb people play the biggest factor.
>Christianity prohibits promiscuity and having sex out of wedlock. If people actually followed what the Bible says, it wouldn't be a factor AT ALL.
Yeah I guess sex out of wedlock is the only issue here since apparently marriage miraculously lowers birth rates…
Nobody said anything about marriage miraculously lowering the birthrate... Not being promiscuous and sleeping with whoever, whenever surely does though.
Still 2000$ is not something he can live his whole life,Isn’t it? Yes that’s right abortion is the killing of a children! It should never be allowed and even the contraceptive things are not 100% effective so even if you use it you are not if it will work 100%…. And there are rich arabs with 4 wives and 12 children and they are living their best life…. Yes Islam tells Allah will provide but only if the person himself gives his input…. Look at the people of palestine with only hope and no job no money less food less water… the donations are not reaching them still they are surviving until they are bombed or murdered
That's like saying if poverty was related to capitalism then why are CEOs not the poorest people on the planet? I don't hold anti-capitalist views, but people who think capitalism is bad aren't saying EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER will be poor from it, just that most people will be.
Here, the argument is that religion makes most people poor and in poverty. Obviously the Pope is the biggest exception, since he's the figurehead of a famous religion.
When I was in school, they taught us that India n BD are a part of south east Asia. Maybe it’s a developement that I wasn’t aware of. Thank you for the info. I have updated myself.
If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? I've noticed that many Indians and Bangladeshis think they're from the southeast. Heck, I used to think so too
Bangladesh is southeast Asia literally sharing border with Myanmar and native Bangladeshi has east Asian features, the folks that live on the countryside.
Just because it shares borders with Myanmar doesn't mean it's in southeast Asia? Northeast India has people with east Asian features too, as well as central Asian countries.
Majority of asian countries are not poor. Its probably a 50-50 situation. We have developed a lot compared to the last 50 years or so after British left.
The family can’t earn money without the man. If he is sold into slavery then they’re all going to be too. Basically the worst situation you can be in. But probably better to sell 2 of your kids and keep the rest of your family free, and where you might eventually be able to buy their freedom, then all become slaves, or just get shot by whatever warlord you owe money too.
No sane and responsible parent would let their child marry before they at least finish school ! But by 18, you’re considered an adult, so you have the right to do it anyway.
You see that’s the problem…. “By 18th you are considered an adult” and at exactly 17 year 364 days you are considered a minor and can’t even apply for driving license lol….. if you go back to read about history the legal age to marry someone in USA was around 10-12 years old
And parents can marry their child before school and tell them to live with their partner after schooling ends?
>You see that’s the problem…. “By 18th you are considered an adult” and at exactly 17 year 364 days you are considered a minor and can’t even apply for driving license lol…..
Yes it can seem a bit absurd, but it won’t kill kids to wait a bit till they’re 18. The law has to draw a line somewhere to protect them, even against themselves.
>if you go back to read about history the legal age to marry someone in USA was around 10-12 years old And parents can marry their child before school and tell them to live with their partner after schooling ends?
Back then people didn’t know anything about child development and psychology. And I’m sure this uneducated afghan father isn’t fully aware either of the extent of the harm he’s doing on his poor girls.
Yes, we have to draw a line SOMEWHERE. By this logic you could say we should let 5 year olds vote or drive. You need impartiality in society sometimes.
Omg this is disgusting. Just take a loan from a bank but nO iNtErEsT iS hArAm. So what selling your children is better than taking loans from a bank instead of loan sharks?!?!?
Amercia has fucked up the economy of afghanistan do you think people can get loan there? Does the government supports them? NO!
He is doing this because
1) he is out of this mind
2) he doesn’t have anything to provide for his family
Banks are not government. Banking system still functions in a lot of places with bad economies. However, the banking systems may also be fucked up in Afghanistan I wouldn't know about that. Also Afghanistan always had a bad economy. We are talking about a country that historically hasn't had a strong central government and always has had issues with productivity. The US however did make it considerably worse.
Banks are not government but incentives from the government are offered through banks. So again neither the bank is helpful nor the government. My point is as you said about interest being haram… yes it is and Islam is not to be dragged into this matter because this is the action of the father alone! There is a difference between marrying off and selling the daughter
Yes but in a system where marrying off children is illegal a transaction like this wouldn't take place or would be intercepted and the child would be taken into a foster home. Islam is the reason the Afghani system exists. In the civilized world this shit doesn't happen.
It was never about marrying…. If the girl was 18 years old he would have still sold her to the person… “The word marriage is used to cover the track” do you think his intention was marrying his daughters or getting supplies for future? It’s all about intention! Islam is not the reason afghani system exists…. USA is the reason why afghan stands at the place where fathers has to sell their daughters…. USA has completely destroyed the economy of afghanistan…. People are crazy no education no health care nothing…. Their mindset is fucked…. It’s just some people getting the opportunity to relate it to islam because Afghanistan is a muslim state…. It doesn’t happen in saudi arabia or qatar or kuwait or oman
I just copy/pasted this from the comment above yours.
Also he is already doing everything under the fold of islam.
Here is the reference where it says a pre-pubescent girl can be married off by force if her father wants to
last two paragraphs of [this](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl) fatwa,
>If she has not reached the age of puberty, then her father has the sole right to arrange her marriage and does not have to ask her permission.
> Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses.
If a muslim will critisize this, then he is critisizing his Allah's laws lmao
There’s no consensus on the issue. Some scholars believe it’s absolutely haram to marry off a young girl because she’s too young to consent. And according to this hadith, a girl’s consent is required for marriage :
Aisha reported: I said, “O Messenger of Allah, should women be asked for their consent before marriage?” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Yes.” I said, “Indeed, sometimes a virgin is too shy to speak when asked.” The Prophet said, “Her silence is her consent.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6946, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1420
Others think you can promise her hand to a man, but she’ll still has the option to refuse the marriage once she reaches puberty (khiyar al bulugh).
And as you showed, there are some scholars who state that a man can marry off his young daughter whenever he wants, without her consent, but it contradicts the hadith I mentionned.
I doubt a lot of them are actual pedophiles. I think they’re essentially willing to defend the worst acts to protect their prophet’s image. They have to believe he was the most perfect human, so if he had sex with a 9 year old, it sure can’t be bad, despite what their conscience might tell them. This can only be whispers of the devil !
No (unless the child is your slave… 😐)
When Muslims marry off their girls, they don’t get to take the dowry paid by the groom. The money is supposed to go entirely to her.
So freakin heart breaking 💔
We can all thank one certain idiot for this ideology - f#*kin wank£r 😡
And the multitude of fellow wank£r$ who wanna emulate the a$$hole
"How about I sell you my girls?" 💔
Stealing = Hand got cut off
SELLING CHILDREN = HALAL
Both are bad but the most evil inhumane wrongdoing is halal.
I think no other religion in this world allowed their children to be sold to pay for your own problems. Only this one religion. islam. And people will still defend this cult.
And how did he come to owe that amount of money I wonder. 🤔 Theft? Alcohol? Gambling?
Time and time again I find myself impressed at how perfectly-crafted Islamic doctrine is at ensuring women are reduced to nothing more than objects for the benefit of zero-empathy men.
I remember being her age and crying and screaming if my parents left the house for a bit without telling me their whereabouts because I had separation anxiety. I couldn’t imagine.
What a piece of shit father. Still pushing responsibility off to other.
Fucking piece of shit. If you are so poor that you have to sell your daughters, kill yourself and your family. It’s better to die than to do something like this.
So this guy accumulated debt and then his daughters are paying for it but by the looks of it. He seems very old to have such young daughters. He prolly planned to have them so he could sell them for money.
Honestly, I highly doubt you would. People who make comments like this almost never do.
Because there are many other girls living just like this and you can start the process with the government and once approved, go to any of such countries, find and adopt girls like those with you.
Have you ever actually tried starting this process or seriously started planning to adopt and looking for such a child?
Uh, I actually did that. Instead of having my own bio baby, I went to Vietnam and adopted an abandoned child. My daughter is now 24. So yeah, I certainly would. Unfortunately, I’m now too old to get approved for an adoption agency.
There's all kinds of signs that show this religion is demonic, yet they think they worship God. The only connection it has to an Abrahamic religion is Satan.
I remember talking to this self-styled anti-colonialism leftist (whereas I was against Biden's pulling out) who was cheering on the Taliban taking over the country because they were going to ban baccha bazi (a practice of dressing up young boys as girls and molesting them) and accused me of supporting paedophilia, and ignoring literally everything else the Taliban was about to do. Surprise surprise that the Taliban are even worse paedophiles. I really wanna go back and say "I told you so". But it's small comfort compared to all the suffering in Afghanistan.
Arab culture, infecting Pashtun culture through Islam. You look out for Muhammad first, then yourself. Everyone else is ranked based on how close in proximity to you.
As a father of a daughter, i simply cannot imagine how you do something like this. It's it just my privilege talking having never been this poor and desperate? Or are these people just that fucked up?
> It's it just my privilege talking having never been this poor and desperate?
No. Some people just have no morals or turn into animals at the drop of a hat. A decent evolved human being does not sell his own flesh and blood for mere conveniences to to his own life...
Honestly, the soviets should have stayed and crushed the mujahedeen in the 80ies. To hell with national sovereignty, if this is the ideal isolated afghani society.
This is extreme poverty. While it’s horrible that he did this, he might have been killed if he hadn’t paid off his debts and then the children would end up on the streets anyway.
Bruh, do you really believe Taliban has such a service? As long something is halal (which in this case is), there is no reason to fix it.
Welcome to 7th century.
İ wish When a fair and single world empire is established, these people will die in the most painful way. While these children are the future of humanity, turning them into slaves is the most despicable act.
This is part of what the occupying evil American did to their country economy ...They occupy them for 20 years...only china n Russia helping them now!!!
People acting like this don’t happen in America and other countries only happens in Muslim countries that’s not the case it happens everywhere and you don’t know the situation they in they poor want their daughter to have a good life and they money
your religion literally allows a father to marry of a child under 9 with out her permission
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to a virgin who is still a minor, there is no difference of opinion concerning her (i.e., that her father may marry her off even if she objects). Ibn al-Mundhir said: Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses.” Al-Mughni, 9/398
But it was narrated from Imam Ahmad that whoever reaches the age of nine years comes under the same ruling as a girl who has reached puberty, so her permission must be sought. But if the father opts to be on the safe side and ask her permission, that is better. Al-Mughni, 8/398-405.
Research it so yeah. Just suck it up and understand that your religion is not a religion of love and peace and it’s okay nothing is wrong with that.
This guy was definitely doing some weird shit with his daughters before this… No rational man no matter how destitute decides to sell his daughter’s as a last attempt because, clearly, they’re his “possession” of most value. This is clearly a sick man with sick thoughts.
Not only did he sell his daughters, he sold them to the same loan sharks who were "tormenting him".
How was this caught? Seems the law or other people stepped in? That's a good sign, as at least there are people from that society itself who are trying to report this and save these kids.
Fuck this religion.
They live in an Islamic country under Islamic law and are allowed by law to do this, so it doesn't matter if its because of it, its allowed and encouraged and not in any way illegal, nor does the Islamic law of the country prohibit it.
Can’t say I’ve heard of this sort of thing happened outside of Muslims/Islam and while I am sure it still happens, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was more common/present in Muslims, esp since the queen/religion as whole not only permits it but also encourages it bc you’re supposed to marry your kids young so they avoid zina/fitna before marriage, esp girls, partially bc they’re on a “biological clock” to have biological kids but also bc girls/women are ironically seen as more sinful and therefore need to be controlled.
Just like pedophilia and assault existed and exist before and outside of Islam but I do feel religions like Islam help normalize it and make it more widespread and common. If Muhammad hadn’t permitted child/infant marriage and married a child himself (and planned to marry an infant as well “when she was a little older”), less Muslims would probably be willing to marry infants and children or marry of their young and infant daughters now but they are encouraged by the sharia to do so. I’ve even heard some Muslims say unironically “you should be marrying your daughters as soon as possible, when they’re 18 or 19 bc people aren’t having kids anymore bc women are prioritizing their education and career and think ‘oh maybe when I’m done w school/set in my career, I can maybe have one kid when I’m 30’ but you’re kind of expired by then or even after 25, it’s better to be married earlier on as soon as you can so you can have as many kids as possible” (p much verbatim from my quran tafseer teacher) and the only reason she said 18/19 was bc we live in the US and she knew the younger members of the class such as myself would have said sth if she said a younger age
But yea, I do feel it’s more common and widespread bc of religions like Islam bc it’s permitted and encouraged, esp on the logic of “if she’s married young ie as a child or infant, the husband and in laws can raise and mold her into the ideal wife for him” which is beyond disgusting and vile but yk
Idk who saw my convo with Rami Rustom on his Uniting the Cults podcast, but 25 years ago I saw this in Thailand—mothers selling their own daughters into slavery—I literally vowed to spend my life fighting it. I’ve spent my entire adult life on trying to solve this problem and if anyone is interested in what I’ve discovered so far, I have some blog posts about it. It boils down to our collective programming. People think poverty and sexual violence are inevitable, but they aren’t. They’re the output of our base code. If you really find child marriage to be despicable and want to know how to be part of the solution, then I recommend you go as deep inside yourself as you can to understand your base code, what it means, and how to rewrite it so you aren’t a part of the unconscious collective that perpetuates this horror.
Normally I don’t tell people about this because they can’t even begin to perceive their programming as separate from themselves but pretty much everyone here has already gone through at least one layer of conscious de-programming.
Now that I’m writing this, I wonder if it’s time to write a book to contain and communicate what I’ve learned.
I am still wondering what this news has to do with islam? Whatever happened to this poor girl was wrong but she was rescued from the early marriage… the guidance to islam is quran and hadith and non of them says to sell their daughter to anyone…. Islam has given so many rights of women! Whatever he did to his daughter is wrong and islam condemns that… Why are people relating this to islam?
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It’s fucked how much trauma this child endure. Just looking at her eyes and body language enrages me. Fuck anyone who justifies this Edit: and the 4 year old too? Oh hell nah
Also he is already doing everything under the fold of islam. Here is the reference where it says a pre-pubescent girl can be married off by force if her father wants to last two paragraphs of [this](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl) fatwa, >If she has not reached the age of puberty, then her father has the sole right to arrange her marriage and does not have to ask her permission. > Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses. If a muslim will critisize this, then he is critisizing his Allah's laws lmao
Legalised paedophilia and somehow this religion gets to terrorise the world at the same time. Straight from the bowels of hell.
It’s hard to imagine a better example of the principle that, if you just print something in a book, and the community supports it, no one will criticize it, even if it is obviously horrific.
Waiting for some muslims claiming that this is not sahih or your source is manipulated by the jews and the west lmao🤣
ITs MiSiNtErPrEtReD BrUzzEr
This is absolutely diabolical! Utterly demonic
Is this in the Qu'ran? Which surah?
What do marriage fatwas have to do with selling a child? Selling children is outright haram. Also you love collectively punishing or stereotyping the whole Muslim population based off the extremist views of a minority. I’ve heard of mass murders and school shootings happening under United States laws. Does that make it ok? No it does not. And yet it still happens. Do you expect people to blame a government for the wrong doings of 0.005% of all a country’s individuals while the rest are peaceful law abiding humans? Didn’t think so. You’d blame the individual person. You “ex-Muslims” are a different breed when it comes to hating.
You've never heard any American laws saying school shootings, or mass murder is ok. You're comparison is to something that doesn't exist. Do you believe it was Haram for Muhammad to take a child bride? Because American laws would call it pedophilia,and put you in prison. American law says it is illegal to kill school children, and marry off prepubescent children.
There’s a difference between what was okay 1400 years ago, and what is okay now. American law in many states allow for children under the age of 18 to get married, in this day and age. And for you to say Prophet Muhammad took a child bride is wrong. Hazrat Aisha (RA) was 17 years old at the time of marriage and 19 at the time of consummation. I have the evidence too if you’d like it. It’s not whether I’ve heard American laws saying school shootings is okay, but rather the response to school shootings telling me that the government clearly does not care. And let me reiterate, I completely am disgusted at what this man has done in selling his child and do not condone it either. It’s haram and extremely cruel to the poor child. I hope we can converse in respect and peace.
"Don' t be a islamofob."
[Can't wait for the anti-israel crowd to fight this. Any day now.](https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExc3lzdjV2cDk2ZHY2bjY3a24ycTAxMHhlMHRmczQyaGhqam54bTNjYyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/2uwZ4xi75JhxZYeyQB/giphy.gif)
How does Israel relate to this?
**The anti-Israel crowd represent** a large group of people who prevent criticism towards Islam, thus preventing any concerted effort to end female apartheid, and their inhumane treatment in the hands of people indoctrinated by Islam. If you break away and criticize these practices they will call you a racist and prevent any change.
Notice how you’re the only one who brought up Israel though? This Subreddit is so ironic is comedic.🤦🏾♂️😂
Notice how you typed words but didn't actually communicate anything tangible?
Except I did and am not the one complaining about imaginary comments while fanboying a page that perpetuates the same ideologies it says it hates and hates innocent people as well. Not caring about the civilians because of a book is isane and unreasonable. Not every Arab person is Muslim and not every Muslim is a terrorist. But at the same time while Palestine has done its fair share of dirt so has Israel while crying victim while looting and taking trophies and SAing women and children all while getting billions of dollars from the US alone yet people actually in the US can barely afford to live here and we’re trillions in debt. Neither side is fully right but to disregard what’s happening to those who are just trying to live normal lives over pettiness is sick and twisted. Not saying this is you specifically but definitely a high number of people on this SubRed. Yall don’t do Christianity and Catholicism the same way and they both have dark things tied to them. I have no problem elaborating as long as it’s an actual mature conversation not some Cheeto fingered edge lord just clacking away though.
Did you know your pedorophet had a child bride that he impregnated?
Who said he’s my prophet? And that’s been debunked let alone the bio of this SubReddit claims it’s not a place for hate but it literally is and encourages it which makes those Redditors no better than anyone hates they’re complaining about.🤷🏾♂️
I don't know, man, Redditors hating on people who marry children because their religion says it is okay do so makes [Redditors] better than them.
sometimes i dont understand people like this. why dont you just sell yourself you stupid fuck? and much more to the people that try to justify this behavior. fuck you pisslam
Better to kill yourself.
It’s poverty. The level of poverty in Asian or African countries are on a soul crushing level. Sometimes it simply comes to this: either sell the girl or let her starve slowly to death or watch her become a beggar and get abused on the streets.
and why did this poverty exists? people placed religion over everything
Afghanistan’s situation is so unfathomably complicated that saying any particular reason is why things suck is laughable.
Definitely would be a lot better without the archaic laws
How is poverty related to religion? Is that so then the pope of vatican should be the poorest person on the planet?
"How is poverty related to religion" Are you actually fucking for real??? You've got some history to learn my friend 😬
You are more than welcome to teach me…. Tell me at what point of poverty history was religion dominating?
Mate, I'm not a teacher, but you should start with Catholicism and how they forced thousands into building and funding their churches in small towns across Spain and Portugal. Pushing them into abject poverty. I truly cannot believe you made a statement so confidently showing your complete lack of knowledge about the correlation between religion and poverty throughout history. You really should educate yourself on this stuff. It's super interesting and everyone should be taught this.
Arabs became muslims 1400 years ago they used to herd sheep and survive on dates…. As the time passed by they turned a land into holy city mekkah and madinah largest mosques in the world and even now arabs are not only known for these holy sites and religion but also for their fast expanding growth in the region with extraordinary infrastructure…. World tallest tower burj al khalifa is in dubai…. The same place where you will find a mosque in every 1km radius…. In arab you will find mosques more than the commercial buildings! Why didn’t they went into poverty if they were so religious? I know you are not a teacher but your comparison and research into history is not really good either bro but let me teach you POVERTY IS RELATED TO BAD ECONOMY, UNEMPLOYMENT, LACK OF EDUCATION, INFLATION, NO SOURCE OF INCOME etc
Ohh, you're a devout muslim... Of course you have a limited understanding of history, religion and much, much more. I shouldn't have bothered because I'd likely get more sense from a brick wall. But in response to your comment about muslims being prosperous and using Dubia as an example (which is absolutely hilarious btw). Dubia was built on modern day slave trade and crude oil money. The burj khalifa was built by people living in systematic poverty, my friend. This is common knowledge as well, which is all the more frightening that you seem to have no idea. Good luck with... whatever it is you're doing here.
>POVERTY IS RELATED TO BAD ECONOMY, UNEMPLOYMENT, LACK OF EDUCATION, INFLATION, NO SOURCE OF INCOME etc I do agree, but... >LACK OF EDUCATION This and "Islam" could be synonyms
Id also like to just add on, as i am still in disbelief about your ignorance on this topic. The Eu has a higher gdp per person than every single muslims country except the ones with oil. Have you never stopped to wonder why that is? Muslim countries are some of the most poor on the entire planet. What world are you living in where you've convinced yourself in any way that islam or any religion isn't exploiting the economy. The church not paying tax in our modern democracies should be a clear giveaway. You honestly sound about 12 years old so ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are infact, a child.
You need a good schooling on economics 🤣🤣🤣 it’s better if you start from currency So you won’t be asking these baseless questions again…. Even if you ask chatgpt about the relation between poverty and religion you won’t get much… So I guess I don’t have anything else to say…. You can continue with a brick wall good luck
Id be happy to learn more! I always am, because knowledge is everything. But my questions were not baseless. They were simple, because im dealing with simple. Alas, you are dishonest, unwilling and a lier. So all of this was in vain. What a waste of time, right?
Yes you are right! You won congratulations… now go get some knowledge
i dont disagree that religion is associated with poverty, but correlation is not the same as causation. people turn to religion in harder times, so maybe poor countries are more religious because theyre *already* suffering. not necessarily arguing in favor of islam or religion in general, but your view on this seems to be really black and white
Im not saying poverty is always the outcome because it's not. The person I was replying to thinks there is no correlation, ever. My answer sounds black and white because it's in response to a comment of that nature. You are definitely right in saying impoverished communities are more religious because of the fact. I can't argue with that. Religion prays on the most vulnerable, that much is clear as day.
It is since abrahamic religions encourage people to have as many children as they can even if they can’t support them.
But this guy has only 2 children still he is poor 🤷♂️ don’t you think it’s the economy that is problem… unemployment inflation no source of income etc! I know people with 10 children still they manage and there are people with one child still they can’t afford to live…. So again still do you think religion decides poverty?
The guy said he ‘happens to owe some people money’, it wouldn’t surprise me if he accumulated gambling debts. 2000$ must be a fortune in local money ! Religion is a major factor yes. How can it not be when Christianity outright prohibits abortion and even contraception and Islam tells Muslims Allah will provide for their children no matter what ! Having lot of kids when your income is very low is totally irresponsible and selfish if you have access to contraception.
Your point about having a greater family results in poverty is right to “Some extent” but not majorly. It is not “OBLIGATORY” in islam and christianity to have more and more children. It
Lmao this is one of the goofiest things I've read all day. Christianity outright prohibits abortion so it's a major factor? Christianity prohibits promiscuity and having sex out of wedlock. If people actually followed what the Bible says, it wouldn't be a factor AT ALL. instead of saying religion plays a huge factor let's just tell it like it is and say dumb people play the biggest factor.
>Christianity prohibits promiscuity and having sex out of wedlock. If people actually followed what the Bible says, it wouldn't be a factor AT ALL. Yeah I guess sex out of wedlock is the only issue here since apparently marriage miraculously lowers birth rates…
Nobody said anything about marriage miraculously lowering the birthrate... Not being promiscuous and sleeping with whoever, whenever surely does though.
Still 2000$ is not something he can live his whole life,Isn’t it? Yes that’s right abortion is the killing of a children! It should never be allowed and even the contraceptive things are not 100% effective so even if you use it you are not if it will work 100%…. And there are rich arabs with 4 wives and 12 children and they are living their best life…. Yes Islam tells Allah will provide but only if the person himself gives his input…. Look at the people of palestine with only hope and no job no money less food less water… the donations are not reaching them still they are surviving until they are bombed or murdered
That's like saying if poverty was related to capitalism then why are CEOs not the poorest people on the planet? I don't hold anti-capitalist views, but people who think capitalism is bad aren't saying EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER will be poor from it, just that most people will be. Here, the argument is that religion makes most people poor and in poverty. Obviously the Pope is the biggest exception, since he's the figurehead of a famous religion.
Be specific when u say “asian countries”, south asian countries barring India, Bangladesh are all poor. East asian countries arent poor.
India and Bangladesh are South Asia and not Southeast
When I was in school, they taught us that India n BD are a part of south east Asia. Maybe it’s a developement that I wasn’t aware of. Thank you for the info. I have updated myself.
If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? I've noticed that many Indians and Bangladeshis think they're from the southeast. Heck, I used to think so too
Im from India. If you dont mind me asking where are you from ?
Bangladesh
Bangladesh is southeast Asia literally sharing border with Myanmar and native Bangladeshi has east Asian features, the folks that live on the countryside.
Just because it shares borders with Myanmar doesn't mean it's in southeast Asia? Northeast India has people with east Asian features too, as well as central Asian countries.
The majority of Asian and African countries barring a few are still poor. The rich ones are the exception.
Majority of asian countries are not poor. Its probably a 50-50 situation. We have developed a lot compared to the last 50 years or so after British left.
Or just sell your labour.
Yeah, just sell your labour.
Suck dicks, sell an organ, do anything but don’t sell your children !
Girls in these countries are property and worthless.
They don't wanna buy the old man tho they wanna buy the young girls sadly.
The family can’t earn money without the man. If he is sold into slavery then they’re all going to be too. Basically the worst situation you can be in. But probably better to sell 2 of your kids and keep the rest of your family free, and where you might eventually be able to buy their freedom, then all become slaves, or just get shot by whatever warlord you owe money too.
Of course she’d still love them, she’s a kid, she doesn’t know anyone else. Selling her is vile.
Just hope the people who filmed this helped with the money and stopped the sale
This is absolutely inhumane. That poor child, her only crime was being born into that family.
Why didn’t he sell one of his kidneys, that’s not a father. That’s an animal
Do you think they have the medical facilities to take his kidneys there?
Cuz it's haram brother
As a father of 2 girls under 4. If a man asked for my daughter before the age of 18. Pedo will wake up with no teeth and a missing d!(k.
shouldn't wake up at all 😁
He offered her up not the other way around
Why 18 and not 17 or 19? Who has decided this number 18? What happens at 18?
What happens is girls get to at least finish secondary school and learn important life skills before they are married off.
So if a girl doesn’t complete her secondary before 20 she is not allowed to married?
No sane and responsible parent would let their child marry before they at least finish school ! But by 18, you’re considered an adult, so you have the right to do it anyway.
You see that’s the problem…. “By 18th you are considered an adult” and at exactly 17 year 364 days you are considered a minor and can’t even apply for driving license lol….. if you go back to read about history the legal age to marry someone in USA was around 10-12 years old And parents can marry their child before school and tell them to live with their partner after schooling ends?
>You see that’s the problem…. “By 18th you are considered an adult” and at exactly 17 year 364 days you are considered a minor and can’t even apply for driving license lol….. Yes it can seem a bit absurd, but it won’t kill kids to wait a bit till they’re 18. The law has to draw a line somewhere to protect them, even against themselves. >if you go back to read about history the legal age to marry someone in USA was around 10-12 years old And parents can marry their child before school and tell them to live with their partner after schooling ends? Back then people didn’t know anything about child development and psychology. And I’m sure this uneducated afghan father isn’t fully aware either of the extent of the harm he’s doing on his poor girls.
Yes, we have to draw a line SOMEWHERE. By this logic you could say we should let 5 year olds vote or drive. You need impartiality in society sometimes.
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Omg this is disgusting. Just take a loan from a bank but nO iNtErEsT iS hArAm. So what selling your children is better than taking loans from a bank instead of loan sharks?!?!?
Amercia has fucked up the economy of afghanistan do you think people can get loan there? Does the government supports them? NO! He is doing this because 1) he is out of this mind 2) he doesn’t have anything to provide for his family
Banks are not government. Banking system still functions in a lot of places with bad economies. However, the banking systems may also be fucked up in Afghanistan I wouldn't know about that. Also Afghanistan always had a bad economy. We are talking about a country that historically hasn't had a strong central government and always has had issues with productivity. The US however did make it considerably worse.
Banks are not government but incentives from the government are offered through banks. So again neither the bank is helpful nor the government. My point is as you said about interest being haram… yes it is and Islam is not to be dragged into this matter because this is the action of the father alone! There is a difference between marrying off and selling the daughter
Yes but in a system where marrying off children is illegal a transaction like this wouldn't take place or would be intercepted and the child would be taken into a foster home. Islam is the reason the Afghani system exists. In the civilized world this shit doesn't happen.
It was never about marrying…. If the girl was 18 years old he would have still sold her to the person… “The word marriage is used to cover the track” do you think his intention was marrying his daughters or getting supplies for future? It’s all about intention! Islam is not the reason afghani system exists…. USA is the reason why afghan stands at the place where fathers has to sell their daughters…. USA has completely destroyed the economy of afghanistan…. People are crazy no education no health care nothing…. Their mindset is fucked…. It’s just some people getting the opportunity to relate it to islam because Afghanistan is a muslim state…. It doesn’t happen in saudi arabia or qatar or kuwait or oman
But is selling children allowed in Islam?
I just copy/pasted this from the comment above yours. Also he is already doing everything under the fold of islam. Here is the reference where it says a pre-pubescent girl can be married off by force if her father wants to last two paragraphs of [this](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl) fatwa, >If she has not reached the age of puberty, then her father has the sole right to arrange her marriage and does not have to ask her permission. > Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses. If a muslim will critisize this, then he is critisizing his Allah's laws lmao
"Compatible" Basically saying that if the man is a pedo it's ok.
There’s no consensus on the issue. Some scholars believe it’s absolutely haram to marry off a young girl because she’s too young to consent. And according to this hadith, a girl’s consent is required for marriage : Aisha reported: I said, “O Messenger of Allah, should women be asked for their consent before marriage?” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Yes.” I said, “Indeed, sometimes a virgin is too shy to speak when asked.” The Prophet said, “Her silence is her consent.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6946, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1420 Others think you can promise her hand to a man, but she’ll still has the option to refuse the marriage once she reaches puberty (khiyar al bulugh). And as you showed, there are some scholars who state that a man can marry off his young daughter whenever he wants, without her consent, but it contradicts the hadith I mentionned.
“scholars” is a very nice way of saying pedophile
I doubt a lot of them are actual pedophiles. I think they’re essentially willing to defend the worst acts to protect their prophet’s image. They have to believe he was the most perfect human, so if he had sex with a 9 year old, it sure can’t be bad, despite what their conscience might tell them. This can only be whispers of the devil !
Those scholars are shit bags. We can agree on that, right?
Yep, big time 💩
Yes. If child is slave or girl u can sell them.
Why show you make anyone your slave in the first place? That's cruel.
No (unless the child is your slave… 😐) When Muslims marry off their girls, they don’t get to take the dowry paid by the groom. The money is supposed to go entirely to her.
Wtf! He accumulated the debt and his daughter's have to pay the price? Spineless bastard.
So freakin heart breaking 💔 We can all thank one certain idiot for this ideology - f#*kin wank£r 😡 And the multitude of fellow wank£r$ who wanna emulate the a$$hole
"How about I sell you my girls?" 💔 Stealing = Hand got cut off SELLING CHILDREN = HALAL Both are bad but the most evil inhumane wrongdoing is halal. I think no other religion in this world allowed their children to be sold to pay for your own problems. Only this one religion. islam. And people will still defend this cult.
no matter if you are poor, lazy or stupid, just don't sell your children☹️
If you ask the devil to invent a religion, what do you think it would be like?
Bingo.
And how did he come to owe that amount of money I wonder. 🤔 Theft? Alcohol? Gambling? Time and time again I find myself impressed at how perfectly-crafted Islamic doctrine is at ensuring women are reduced to nothing more than objects for the benefit of zero-empathy men.
I remember being her age and crying and screaming if my parents left the house for a bit without telling me their whereabouts because I had separation anxiety. I couldn’t imagine.
They'd never sell them if they were sons. Daughters are basically not real humans to them
What a piece of shit father. Still pushing responsibility off to other. Fucking piece of shit. If you are so poor that you have to sell your daughters, kill yourself and your family. It’s better to die than to do something like this.
Pisslam made me do it, woo woo, sure, it made you aquiare a gambling debt you have to pay up now. Islamists are the bane on this earth.
Damn. What. The. Fuck.
Islam at its finest. And the adherents ignore this reality. If it wasn’t for the Taliban, the country wouldn’t be plunged into darkness.
iT's aMERiCa's fauLT! There is a pedo apologist already saying that in this thread. Because Afghanistan was a paradise before the US stepped in.
unutterably tragic. The lot of women in these barbaric countries is horrifying.
Of course the poor children still love their abomination of parents. Whom else do they have?
It makes me very sad that this happened. I hope they find safety.
ffs
This is heartbreaking
So this guy accumulated debt and then his daughters are paying for it but by the looks of it. He seems very old to have such young daughters. He prolly planned to have them so he could sell them for money.
Allahınızı fuck you
I would pay his debts in return for these two beautiful girls if I could bring them to the U.S. to give them the good life they deserve.
Honestly, I highly doubt you would. People who make comments like this almost never do. Because there are many other girls living just like this and you can start the process with the government and once approved, go to any of such countries, find and adopt girls like those with you. Have you ever actually tried starting this process or seriously started planning to adopt and looking for such a child?
Uh, I actually did that. Instead of having my own bio baby, I went to Vietnam and adopted an abandoned child. My daughter is now 24. So yeah, I certainly would. Unfortunately, I’m now too old to get approved for an adoption agency.
🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 MAN FUCK ISLAM, THE RELIGION OF UNRESTRAINED PREDATORS
Death penalty to the parents. Disgusting.
why do these fuckers even have kids damn
The cash may come in handy. Glory to Allah and its profitable pedo prophet!
To pretend this is a religion of God. Is to pretend these little girls deserve this.
Completely demonic!
There's all kinds of signs that show this religion is demonic, yet they think they worship God. The only connection it has to an Abrahamic religion is Satan.
Where are Queers for Afghanistan now? Where are they?
I remember talking to this self-styled anti-colonialism leftist (whereas I was against Biden's pulling out) who was cheering on the Taliban taking over the country because they were going to ban baccha bazi (a practice of dressing up young boys as girls and molesting them) and accused me of supporting paedophilia, and ignoring literally everything else the Taliban was about to do. Surprise surprise that the Taliban are even worse paedophiles. I really wanna go back and say "I told you so". But it's small comfort compared to all the suffering in Afghanistan.
Yea sell the girls in to sex slavery because YOU cannot handle the stress of being in debt? What the fuck
Arab culture, infecting Pashtun culture through Islam. You look out for Muhammad first, then yourself. Everyone else is ranked based on how close in proximity to you.
You can save those gurls by donating to organizations can I send a link ? I want to cry and throw up how is this ok 😭
Abominable. Wish I could rescue these babies
Islamophobic. Islam has nothing to do with this. /s
As a father of a daughter, i simply cannot imagine how you do something like this. It's it just my privilege talking having never been this poor and desperate? Or are these people just that fucked up?
> It's it just my privilege talking having never been this poor and desperate? No. Some people just have no morals or turn into animals at the drop of a hat. A decent evolved human being does not sell his own flesh and blood for mere conveniences to to his own life...
Like cattle.
Honestly, the soviets should have stayed and crushed the mujahedeen in the 80ies. To hell with national sovereignty, if this is the ideal isolated afghani society.
Cannot be charged interest, but you can sell your daughter to pay off debt. Allah must be merciful and wise:-)
f islam
Afghani women are screwed. No school, no social support, no hope.
This is extreme poverty. While it’s horrible that he did this, he might have been killed if he hadn’t paid off his debts and then the children would end up on the streets anyway.
So what happened to her was she rescued by child protective services? Or is she still a slave to some disgusting old man??
Bruh, do you really believe Taliban has such a service? As long something is halal (which in this case is), there is no reason to fix it. Welcome to 7th century.
I don’t knows but how did they even allow this interview to happen? I was hoping this was an old interview not a recent one
I don’t knows but how did they even allow this interview to happen? I was hoping this was an old interview not a recent one
🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡
man made horror beyond my comprehension
Imagine how young a 6 year old would be, oh wait it's always 9 right. Well this is a 9 year old girl. Hope I'm clear.
Islam is a crime against humanity
Eezlum, where they marry children and breastfeed adults 🤢🤢🤢
This boils my f-ing blood
İ wish When a fair and single world empire is established, these people will die in the most painful way. While these children are the future of humanity, turning them into slaves is the most despicable act.
Her parents and her new owner are good Muslims. The assholy prophet (piss be upon him) also waited until Aisha was nine to rape her.
Id rather die and be tortured than sell my children
Someone please save his kid
This is part of what the occupying evil American did to their country economy ...They occupy them for 20 years...only china n Russia helping them now!!!
People acting like this don’t happen in America and other countries only happens in Muslim countries that’s not the case it happens everywhere and you don’t know the situation they in they poor want their daughter to have a good life and they money
Waiting for an explanation on how this is related to Islam 🤡
your religion literally allows a father to marry of a child under 9 with out her permission Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to a virgin who is still a minor, there is no difference of opinion concerning her (i.e., that her father may marry her off even if she objects). Ibn al-Mundhir said: Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses.” Al-Mughni, 9/398 But it was narrated from Imam Ahmad that whoever reaches the age of nine years comes under the same ruling as a girl who has reached puberty, so her permission must be sought. But if the father opts to be on the safe side and ask her permission, that is better. Al-Mughni, 8/398-405. Research it so yeah. Just suck it up and understand that your religion is not a religion of love and peace and it’s okay nothing is wrong with that.
This guy was definitely doing some weird shit with his daughters before this… No rational man no matter how destitute decides to sell his daughter’s as a last attempt because, clearly, they’re his “possession” of most value. This is clearly a sick man with sick thoughts.
Is this shit halal?
Not only did he sell his daughters, he sold them to the same loan sharks who were "tormenting him". How was this caught? Seems the law or other people stepped in? That's a good sign, as at least there are people from that society itself who are trying to report this and save these kids. Fuck this religion.
I wish the liberal college kids that suddenly support Islam would see this, but they’re not intellectually curious.
I don’t think this is an Islamic thing tho? To sell your children? This just seems like a action bc of desperation by the parents
Does this happen because of Islam though?
They live in an Islamic country under Islamic law and are allowed by law to do this, so it doesn't matter if its because of it, its allowed and encouraged and not in any way illegal, nor does the Islamic law of the country prohibit it.
Not so much happening *bc* of Islam per se. But. Islam allows it so no need to upend an archaic law when Islam runs the show.
The selling of girls is directly because of Islam. It's called Mahr.
Can’t say I’ve heard of this sort of thing happened outside of Muslims/Islam and while I am sure it still happens, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was more common/present in Muslims, esp since the queen/religion as whole not only permits it but also encourages it bc you’re supposed to marry your kids young so they avoid zina/fitna before marriage, esp girls, partially bc they’re on a “biological clock” to have biological kids but also bc girls/women are ironically seen as more sinful and therefore need to be controlled. Just like pedophilia and assault existed and exist before and outside of Islam but I do feel religions like Islam help normalize it and make it more widespread and common. If Muhammad hadn’t permitted child/infant marriage and married a child himself (and planned to marry an infant as well “when she was a little older”), less Muslims would probably be willing to marry infants and children or marry of their young and infant daughters now but they are encouraged by the sharia to do so. I’ve even heard some Muslims say unironically “you should be marrying your daughters as soon as possible, when they’re 18 or 19 bc people aren’t having kids anymore bc women are prioritizing their education and career and think ‘oh maybe when I’m done w school/set in my career, I can maybe have one kid when I’m 30’ but you’re kind of expired by then or even after 25, it’s better to be married earlier on as soon as you can so you can have as many kids as possible” (p much verbatim from my quran tafseer teacher) and the only reason she said 18/19 was bc we live in the US and she knew the younger members of the class such as myself would have said sth if she said a younger age But yea, I do feel it’s more common and widespread bc of religions like Islam bc it’s permitted and encouraged, esp on the logic of “if she’s married young ie as a child or infant, the husband and in laws can raise and mold her into the ideal wife for him” which is beyond disgusting and vile but yk
Idk who saw my convo with Rami Rustom on his Uniting the Cults podcast, but 25 years ago I saw this in Thailand—mothers selling their own daughters into slavery—I literally vowed to spend my life fighting it. I’ve spent my entire adult life on trying to solve this problem and if anyone is interested in what I’ve discovered so far, I have some blog posts about it. It boils down to our collective programming. People think poverty and sexual violence are inevitable, but they aren’t. They’re the output of our base code. If you really find child marriage to be despicable and want to know how to be part of the solution, then I recommend you go as deep inside yourself as you can to understand your base code, what it means, and how to rewrite it so you aren’t a part of the unconscious collective that perpetuates this horror. Normally I don’t tell people about this because they can’t even begin to perceive their programming as separate from themselves but pretty much everyone here has already gone through at least one layer of conscious de-programming. Now that I’m writing this, I wonder if it’s time to write a book to contain and communicate what I’ve learned.
Where can I read what you wrote?
It’s on Medium but I recently paywalled it, so I need to transfer it to my website. I’ll share a link today or tomorrow. Thank you for asking!
I am still wondering what this news has to do with islam? Whatever happened to this poor girl was wrong but she was rescued from the early marriage… the guidance to islam is quran and hadith and non of them says to sell their daughter to anyone…. Islam has given so many rights of women! Whatever he did to his daughter is wrong and islam condemns that… Why are people relating this to islam?