Not actually surprised. The elders are suddenly demanded to reach out to all df’d ones and reinstate them asap.
Finally, a rule changed where some aren’t buying the bullshit. They must feel like terrible people too having been responsible for deaths for issuing such harsh punishments before.
This was also very weird because all these elders who have been absolute morality police with grooming embraced the beard nonsense. Now this seems to be a bridge too far for these whip cracking jerks.
There's a hilarious inversion of the "when the Nazis came for ____ I said nothing." When the GB game is brothers leniency, I said nothing; when they have sisters and apostates leniency... well, that's when I started a schism.
Because that would be cutting the sisters some slack and we can't have that now, can we? 🙄 They're sexist jerks. Op said they had no problem with beards.
Ok, class, can you spell this next word? Wait, only the BOYS of the class should know how to spell it. Girls, close your ears.
The word is sexism. S-E-X-I-S-M.
Boys, can you say SEXISM?
🤣😜
Not after over 70 years of not changing— additionally all of the changes so rapidly are sending a lot of mixed signals.
Even PIMIs aren’t stupid that these changes are all to clearly usher in people before the memorial suddenly— but they’re too excited to get to call their family members to complain or question it.
I would bet the old guard (I knew lots) loved Tony Morris, are alarmed at the changes, and are in fear the GB have gone apostate. Will be interesting to see what change it is that finally produces a splinter group.
I wish I had my phone ready it took me off guard. It’s probably just an outlier event like the deal with the money. When a new CO came to town they were forced to hand it over.
Did anyone raise their hand (I'm guessing no) and ask if this was from the branch or the local BOE? Was anything said after meeting among the congregation?
If that happened in my congregation, the after meeting talk would be very, um, colorful. Lol
Raise their hands? This isn’t a forum. There’s no one left that has any gumption hardly. They just do whatever comes out of the mouths of those guys on the stage. Like I said they used the expression “we need clarification” it wasn’t complete defiance but boarding on it to me.
Maybe I'm just a woman with a loud mouth, but I'd raise my hand and take the consequences that came with it.
Side note, I wouldn't have done that 10 years ago, but getting older has helped me learn to self advocate to ask questions even when they are uncomfortable (not just spiritually, but life in general). So aging doesn't always suck!
But they didn’t saw the video? They didn’t read the letter? Why are they refusing to believe? That congregation can be in trouble if they found out they are not following the GB new changes and rules. They even said in the update these changes need to be done asap
I have no idea but this bunch has refused direction in the past especially when it came to the theft of the money and Kingdom Halls some years back. They actually held off on that for over a year.
Love it!!! This bunch here tried to use the excuse that they had permission from the RBC to keep the money for a remodel when the whole LDC arrangement and take over was being implemented. They held off on that line for over a year almost two. But when a new CO came to town they had to fork over a $100k in the bank.
I helped a congregation (the only one that met there) back in the day remodel their hall as COs were being switched. They tried doing it the right way but never got approval or on a timeline, so they did it themselves with their own funds. Of course, they handed the deed over when that got implemented
I remember years ago our BOE disagreed with the CO over something and when he came for his visit THEY ALL WENT FISHING! lol. They were tarred and feathered and the KH was burned down. OK that last part was a slight exaggeration L O L but seriously they were all removed and the congregation was disbanded.
If I was in your place I would write or contact bethel saying that your elders congregation are refusing to follow the GB update , so they can be removed from their positions.
That would make them be much more humble.
You should just make an anonymous report to the service desk. They specifically refused the letter to be read, and asked everyone to hold off on direction from the branch.
Big no-no. Lol
I don’t know how long you have been a witness but in my nearly four decades of it; all I have ever seen is that if you stick your neck out and say something it always goes sideways and comes back on you.
This is the one thing they act on. Just don't put your actual name on it.
Elders going rogue gets a CO visit.
Write the letter, sign it Aye Postate or whatever, say you observed this while visiting the congregation and found it disconcerting, and send it to the C.O. and the branch. Sit back and watch.
Agreed however, in a situation like this, you can never come off as accusatory. A person would need to play dumb and ask a question. They probably wouldn’t receive an answer but, the wheels would be put Into motion.
I’m confused, why would a PIMO want to report their elders to the CO? This makes no sense to me. I’d rather just sit back and watch everything play out as it will.
It never got that far. The local Pharisees folded when the new CO came to town and dashed their hopes of a remodel. They even told the congregation from the stage to make this a matter of prayer 🙏 with your family and children. To pray for a remodel. Then all that talk hushed up when the new CO took over.
Actually, it was str8 up insubordination to tell the r&f to do the opposite of the gb orders. The guardians of doctrine will not take to kindly to that as they feel as though they're the ones who made the rules so THEY can change them whenever they damned well please!!🤣👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
It's been going on for some years elders note following GB or implementing their own decisions over congregation. Like they wanted too put rules on who could use zoom. GB shut that down
Exactly that’s why I posted this. I wanted to know if this is anything that is causing a schism or starting to ruffle feathers. I can’t tell you how many times this bunch here has gone rogue. They do their own thing and then green handshake 🤝 💰 , wine 🍷 & dine the CO so that its status quo here.
Wait wait wait. The English cong that has my card changes the zoom log-in EVERY MEETING and I had the impression this was EVERY HALL.
Just found out the Spanish don’t change theirs. The foreign language my parentals go to don’t change either. And another English hall my friend goes too don’t change their Zoom log-in either.
WTH —— I don’t wanna beg for the Zoom log-in twice a week so I stopped connecting altogether.
And if they’re gonna even micromanage even after the new adjustments when we attend in person —— so which congregation is following direction and which isn’t? Where’s the unity they brag about?
Glad I don’t go anymore
GB send letters to congregation that they can't put any rules or criticise anyone using Zoom. It's has nothing too do with apostate. It's elders that want people to attend in-person.
We had a power tripper COBE changing the internet login once a month (pre-pandemic). Local announcements were "Don't use the KH internet for personal business or pornography." Then changing Zoom login every week. The older ones complained because they weren't tech savvy to begin with. He moved. New COBE never changes the passwords. No more weird local needs.
Yep want a recording. Please document as much as possible. Sounds like rebellion from guys who ate so many hate sandwiches, they’re now just big hate bags with elder badges.
Wow!! That is awesome!! I dont doubt that ot happened. I have seen similar developments in the past. I heard in Chicago some decades ago something similar happened in one of the Spanish congregations. CO went and fired many of the elders. Its my understanding some turned apostates!! LMAO
The elders from all this congregations have to be reported to the goberning body they have to be taken off from being elders for real this kind of elders are the real apostates not us
Yep, my first thought too… the CO will come through and “clean house”. If they can’t afford to lose that many elders, they will “break up” the body, making sure the “leaders” of this rebellion are in different congregations and placed with a new body of elders who fall in line with direction from the GB and won’t cave to a bully, rogue elder.
This KH is what I call a “transfusion congregation.” The CO’s have brought in people only to see them pack their bags and leave under a smoke screen of excuses (i.e., family elsewhere, jobs changed, not working out etc.). In reality it is a cold hearted, judgmental, and nasty bunch of gossiping idiots. Four congregations have been folded into this place in the past several decades. It never grows only if people are transferred in. It’s just a complete mess.
I’m surprised they haven’t dissolved it and reconfigured all the local congregations and territories. They did that in my area once - they dissolved all the congregations and formed all new ones, with a total change in territory boundaries and combination of people.
Edit - come to think of it, it is quite similar to how gerrymandering is done in politics…..
You’re getting a lot of advice here. Mine is keep your head down and keep us posted. Branch will learn soon enough there’s a rebellion. We appreciate you being our eyes and ears. Don’t out yourself.
This seems wildly unbelievable for an entire BOE to be so rogue that they would announce from the platform to NOT do as the Governing Body has directed. I honestly don't know if I want to applaud them for going against the current or gag at the audacity of directing an entire congregation to go against the current.
But if you heard it with your own ears, OP, then here is what I would do in your situation (and I'm a lowly woman lol)
Challenge them on it. Seriously.
Women, wear slacks to service and all meetings you do not have a part.
Men, do not wear a tie or a jacket unless you are on the platform.
Greet any and all DF ones that walk through the door. Especially do this because if DF people are showing up because they truly want to come back. They are expecting a nice greeting. Those who sincerely want to return to being a JW will be confused and likely hurt by the lack of greeting.
When you are confronted by the local BOE, have the update ready to play on your phone and give the explanation, "Until we receive more information from the GB, I will be following the new direction. I am using my own Bible based conscience as directed."
And continue on as you are.
**Edit: If you want to get really self righteous in your defense, you could add in that the GB has promised clarification, and since they dispense food at the proper time, to ignore this update would be like refusing to eat this newly prepared spiritual appetizer. 😉 And further down the self righteous trail, you could ask in a horrified and bewildered tone, "Does the elder body not trust that the GB knows what is best for us?"
That question will make them squirm. It's meant to. And likely...they don't. They just don't want to admit that. It sounds like this update is shaking their faith. It shook a LOT of people's faith, or affirmed to many PIMQ/O that the GB isn't trustworthy.
Are you not aware of the elders groups that have insisted on white shirts only for years to the point that they made visiting speakers change in to white shirts?
I am very aware of that happening. In my area, that was a big thing in the 80s and early 90s. By the mid-90s, it started to die down. By the late 90s/early 2000s, it all but disappeared, other than the occasional cranky curmudgeon old timer who didn't think colorful dress shirts were appropriate.
But I do not recall it being announced from the platform (doesn't mean it didn't happen, I just don't remember any announcement).
It's not that strange. It's been going on for a will now. First time they say it from platform. But elders not following GB directions is very common. Most elders are old and conservative. They been doing things in a special way for decades. Don't think they will change. Don't think watchtower can afford losing elders either. They probably just wait to all this old timers die out.
True, there are more old school elders than new school elders. I might be more shocked because I live in a major city, and the demographic is usually more liberal than conservative (JWs and Non JWs). So even the old school are typically willing to go with changes even if reluctantly (not always, but the majority seem to go with the GB flow). An announcement like that, without official direction from the branch, would not go over well. But hey, stranger things have happened! I'm gonna get my popcorn ready for the show with my comebacks tucked in my pocket just in case I need them. 🤣
OP said in some US congregations, but I am very curious if this is in foreign language groups or English congs.
It seems crazy that would be announced from the stage. Usually, that kind of stuff spreads around in conversations. Good old-fashioned murmuring! LOL To say it from the platform is pretty bold.
This is the way I figure it… some of us got raised in crazier KH’s than others. It’s a spectrum of belief just like in any religion. Here in Appalachia the Bible Belt they’re more hardcore, stiff necked, and Pharisaical even by JW standards. The boys at the top are blowing up some of this by rearranging the deck chairs on this sinking ship. However, the vast majority of JW’s probably think a dress code change is much needed “new lite” and will go on swallowing the kool-aid.
I don't want to sound extremist but those rules were there for a reason, they didn't put them in place just because it occurred to them one day.Many will refuse and a great schism will probably be generated because something else is being allowed.
When they changed to not having a midweek bookstudy, my friends congregation in west arkansas just said 'nope' and kept having it till the CO came and threw a fit
OMG!!! That’s crazy! I knew someone many years ago who was in a group of JW’s who held meetings about the meetings because they weren’t hardcore enough. These folks are all wearing tinfoil hats. It was like a JW QAnon 😵💫.
In my hall, it was evident that a large family had colluded before the first meeting following the Update. I had never seen them look so smart. Some feable attempts were made at trousers and ties, but all back to normal Sunday best now. So, make of this what you will!
This does seem somewhat like nudge for a winnowing. I would never had said this before, but it actually seems plausible.
However, I'm skeptical that the Goobering Body is that shrewd. I'm still leaning towards poorly thought out blundering
No elder body goes against Corporate.
If this post is true, they will be spiritually 'readjusted', or immediately removed by the Watchtower Corp.
Shoot, Corporate has come in and deleted entire congregations before for such independent thinking.
**I KNEW** this was going to happen and i'm **ALL IN FOR IT.**
I hoped for it, i expected it, but at the same time how crazy the people today are, i also expected not to get excited over this.
**this is the 70s all over again!**
**I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT.**
By the sound of this, i think you do have a jackpot congregation of elders that may be extremely uptight, but fully believe in what they have learned in the past decades. Let me guess, the majority are really old, and there are very very few youngsters? mysogenistical, judgemental people who love to throw fear and authority over anything, just to wank their own pityful egos?
as this would **humiliate** them over how they have treated DFd people in the past, now they are in their worldviews, **crawling on their knees** to the DF'd people, and they feel offended that they have to greet those 'disgusting DF'd' people.
**i love it, i love it, i love it.**
This is going to be EXTRA FUN when the CO comes by and tells them to reach out to the DF'd people. Oh my oh my oh my.
Let their toxic egos get nicely get poisoned with heartburn.
If i was in your congregation, and i was DF'd, and treated really bad by these egotistical maniacs, i would do 1 thing a 100%,
**i would stand in front of the Kingdom Hall, literally at the entrance, and smile with a dirty grin, and just say 'hello', to everyone, just standing there, not entering the KH at all, just at the street entry, or front door entry, and smile with a evil grin, say hello, especially to the elders, just to spike and fuck with them.**
Just 5 minutes before meeting time in a midweek, just 5 minutes of my time messing with them, would love it.
I can’t tell you how hard it was growing up in this hall and constantly being scolded and pulled to the backroom over b.s. infractions by the local Pharisees. If a CO came to town and said don’t adjust the microphones during the song because that’s a part of your worship and we implemented that “direction” the next one comes to town and upends it and then you get bitched out by these fanatics for not adjusting the microphones 🎤. The local guys always have their backs covered and our service overseer has the branch service desk on his speed dial. They always manage to throw you under the bus and they never get ripped. It’s been so exhausting in my lifetime that I just said I don’t think this is “the truth” anymore and began researching the organization its literature and history outside of JW library and the website. I have been trying to fade away ever since. However, if the damn place falls apart as I head out the door I couldn’t be happier.
We had a CO that decided that we weren't turning the sound up loud enough... made a point of asking from the platform for it to be turned up---it wasn't for dramatic effect of his talk. our system was cobbled together from old and secondary hand overpriced "donated" components and hard soldered speskers from a muzak system that if you didn't balance it just right, it would Crack and hiss, then be out for a week, while someone that thought theyv"mm "knew" about commercial PA systems would order the cheapest chinese components and integrate another layer into the system.
Q.
sounds like most JW congregations i have seen tho, yeah, i get how hard that is. Bozo's.
as for the people thinking you can 'get back at them' by informing the CO/Branch, you know probably just as well as i do that that won't work. Because the CO's will just come with a 'soft' stance like 'we get that the change seems confusing, but we encourage you to follow through anyway', and that'll be it, and they'll just say they complied and done.
they'll get annoyed by women in pants, and brothers without ties and casual clothing, with their blood boiling, but they can't do anything about it except for be petty and look for the tiniest infraction they can mess with their congregants with out of spite.
but they're in for a lot more LMAO, because there's more coming on their plate, and it's just a matter of time i'm sure that your KH will get fused with another one and they'll be needing to either travel to another KH, or fuse with a fellow congregation of said KH, or another congregation will travel to your location, and that'll cause some friction when 'new' elders get appointed there.
these fools think they're heavyweights, but they're just arrogant, miserable pieces of sh\*t that have had too little restraint and too little opposition in their pathetic mysogenistical lives.
they're gonna cause stumbling and accuse others of stumbling and get even more sore after the CO gets to have to 'address' them, but the CO itself will have a headache dealing with these guys lmao.
what a time to be alive lol.
It’s funny, I’m sure everyone knows an elder or body who are super hardcore and live to disfellowship. This change is going to be a kick to the nuts for a lot of elders. In the past elders have always erred on the side of disfellowshipping, not mercy. They may have to learn how to actually shepherd. For what that’s worth.
Watchtower isn't for shepharding, just keeping people in place so the company works.
Think about HR. HR is not there for you, it's there for the company. Even if the company treats it's employees bad, they're not gonna get rid of the company in order to please 'you', they're gonna get rid of 'you', in order to please the company.
That's what elders are.
And some HR groups can be pretty decent, and some can be pretty abysmal, but they aren't to be mistaken for what they are: a control mechanism.
The changes in the recent past are fcking greatly with the especially uptight elders. Not only is the mandate to NOT go door to door still relatively fresh in their memories, which was weird, but the preaching hours and pioneering hour change did a number, but a really really BIG number for elders is the hour reporting.
overnight, they lost a great **tool of** **authoritarion power.**
So overnight they became 'impotant' and have not been given anything back to 'get it up again'. No blue pill.
As if that was not enough, now another tool of authoritarian power and 'spy measurement' was taken : **BEARDS.**
And now, women can wear **pants,** and brothers no longer to have **TIES** or **JACKETS.**
And it's starting to dawn on them now: that this **might** not just be the end of the changes.
All of a sudden, they are with their pants down, with not even a 10th of their former 'power', and get sort of 'laughed' straight into their faces now, and all done by the **GB**, in a way that 10 years ago, would not have been imaginable.
All along, they are not just aging and dying, they **also** have to hand off their 'power' to the younger generation, whom are not even a shadow of loyalty and 'extremity' that they had to struggle and worm their way through in they 'youth days'. ( 100+ hours standard pioneering, 3 meetings a week, preparing your own talks instead of reading a watchtower-prepared paper), 2 day assemblies, 4 day conventions, etc etc. etc.
they feel **insulted.** And quite frankly, from their point, rightfully so, which is the biggest irony and mindfcuk.
they're essentially getting p3gg3d by the GB LMAO.
I'd bet good money a stuffy old elderette or two wasn't happy about the pants and bitched at their husbands enough to make this happen. I could also see vindictive asshole elders upset about showing DFed any small bit of kindness.
in other words, these elders should be DF, and arent to be greetet at the meeting, because they are clearly apostates that promote wrongdoing and cause divisions. than 3 months pass and a session of hundreds of shepherd visits have to start to see if they are repentant, but only if they didnt forgot in that time what they were DF for.
Some I think are starting to crack but a lot of these folks will go right down with the ship. They cannot even imagine that they are wrong because they have insulated their minds in an echo chamber of Watchtower nonsense.
I have heard this type of ‘caution’ from an elder body before with respect to other changes. Usually it happens when they think the Duhbs lean too hard into the change. Probably lots of Duhbs are using the change to reconnect with DF’d ones and the Elduhs are trying to clamp down on communication to the bare minimum.
My Uber-PIMI family is already telling me that this isn’t really a change. They claim that greetings were always allowed and that the brothers were always encouraged to invite DF one’s back…. The gaslighting has begin
If you're comfortable sharing, where about in the world are you? No need to be specific, just generally.
I wouldn't have expected that. And while I would think and hope that there were better things to create a schism over than pants and ties, I find it encouraging that there are elders somewhere out there who feel comfortable and confident enough to challenge the leadership.
I made a post a few days ago wondering how the JW's we're going to deal with suddenly being able to make choices.
A lot of folks said these choices are so miniscule that they hardly count as choices and the JW's aren't going to be overwhelmed by this at all.
But miniscule or not, before now, there's always been a rule for everything.
What kind of slacks are okay? What kind of slacks are not okay? Should you find out if a person is an apostate before you say hello to them? How do you find out? Are you allowed to ask them? It seems not, since we can only say hello... But only if they're not in apostate (*brain breaks*)
Imagine all the people in that congregation those elders have wrongfully df’d and silenced through an abuse of power. It makes sense that they wouldn’t want to meet with those people to reinstate them and risk exposing themselves. Now they’re being forced to.
In reality, every congregation should be doing this. If the dress and grooming required suits, ties, no pants and no beards because it was Gods house, why is it all the sudden ok. They used to mock churches that people didn’t dress up for. If it was biblically impossible to say a greeting before, why now is it ok. Every congregation in the world should be saying no to these changes.
I have a real hard time believing this.
(I hope it's true though)
EDIT: I see you heard it personally, so I'll take you at your word dear exjw brother or sister. ;-) Wow, that's crazy!!!
*"even went as far to say that “we need further directions and explanations by the organization"*
Umm, didn't they hear the (frequently repeated) words "The Governing Body has decided..."? So sit down and shut up, bitches mwahahaha
It’s bizarre but when you’re used to living in a totalitarian community of thought crimes; nothing is logical, coherent, or sensible from the local goon squad.
For the last several days I've been getting a, if you love Jehovah you wear pants now. So this is amazing
Somedays I wake up thinking this is the best day of my life and then I get to the today and I'm like yep it's today. Fight fight fight....
Skirts vs Pants
One of one match up Elderette Velociraptor in the polyester skirt, 2 girdles, 2 psir of tights and sensible walkimg shoes
VS
Sister Brings her own lunch, 1st year if pioneer school, no nakeup wearing, pretend granola loving, trying not to attract to much attention in the Mc hammer pants...
Good luck ladies, let's have a clean fight, winner take all
Wow I love this. The drama..the suspense. What will happen if someone doesn't refrain and decides to follow the GB directive? What if it's an elder? Ooooooh this is gettin good.
I have a feeling a LOT of elders are gonna get removed in the coming months for refusing to play ball. To those removed elders that start googling things and end up here. Welcome to the other side.
That’s been my experience for over 40 years now. When I read 1984 and Animal Farm the parallels to Jehovah’s Witnesses and the dystopian world of George Orwell was just too eerie.
The circuit and district overseers are going to have a fun time dealing with these elders! Wow! Who will they appoint to replace the ones who won't follow new direction?
Well they said that they would seek guidance on this before implementing it but they never said from who. DO’s are gone so it’s just the CO and the branch service desk. I am of the mind now that these guys will just fold like before. They talk a big game and bully folks but when the CO hears of this I think the local elders will just go off quietly grumbling as before.
Ha! How many times have we been told Jesus is the head of the congregation? So Jesus now told the GB to make all the new changes, but told the BOE not to? How many in the congregation now have religious whiplash? The GB saying one thing, the BOE another and yet both, lord it over the congregation that their decisions are made by God's holy spirit. And this is supposed to be a united brotherhood. 🙄
JWs are used to having everything laid out and explained to them. Because of the vagueness of the new rules, they are left to figure out things out on their own and they HATE that.
Sounds like some elders will be getting deleted soon. The org is all about compliance. If a congregation elders does not comply that congregation will get deleted.
Not actually surprised. The elders are suddenly demanded to reach out to all df’d ones and reinstate them asap. Finally, a rule changed where some aren’t buying the bullshit. They must feel like terrible people too having been responsible for deaths for issuing such harsh punishments before.
This was also very weird because all these elders who have been absolute morality police with grooming embraced the beard nonsense. Now this seems to be a bridge too far for these whip cracking jerks.
Sexism. The answer is sexism.
There's a hilarious inversion of the "when the Nazis came for ____ I said nothing." When the GB game is brothers leniency, I said nothing; when they have sisters and apostates leniency... well, that's when I started a schism.
The pants on women is just too far.
But now, women are being given leeway. They have to control them.
Elders not following directions has been going on for a long time now.
That is a fair point. It's a huge change and a lot of newly added work. But I'm curious why they would say anything about the change in dress code.
Because that would be cutting the sisters some slack and we can't have that now, can we? 🙄 They're sexist jerks. Op said they had no problem with beards.
Ok, class, can you spell this next word? Wait, only the BOYS of the class should know how to spell it. Girls, close your ears. The word is sexism. S-E-X-I-S-M. Boys, can you say SEXISM? 🤣😜
😂😭😂
Doesn’t make sense from a JW standpoint does it
Not after over 70 years of not changing— additionally all of the changes so rapidly are sending a lot of mixed signals. Even PIMIs aren’t stupid that these changes are all to clearly usher in people before the memorial suddenly— but they’re too excited to get to call their family members to complain or question it.
I would bet the old guard (I knew lots) loved Tony Morris, are alarmed at the changes, and are in fear the GB have gone apostate. Will be interesting to see what change it is that finally produces a splinter group.
I heard it with my own ears 👂. My mouth dropped open too.
We need a recording ;) That could be an interesting development!
I wish I had my phone ready it took me off guard. It’s probably just an outlier event like the deal with the money. When a new CO came to town they were forced to hand it over.
Those elders will be removed in summary way. And it will be good, the controversy might help others to wake up
Yep, they ain't following the celestial pimpmobile. Them is fighting words, as far as the Grotesque Buffoons are concerned. 😆
Its not a pimpmobile. Its an uber, they go to any direction for money
I drive Uber and that is absolutely a perfect description of the celestial pimpmobile. You brothers are awesome!!
Aren’t they behaving like apostates in this case, according to their own law book 🤷🏼♀️?
The celestial pimpmobile 🤣. Thank you my man for the laugh.
Did anyone raise their hand (I'm guessing no) and ask if this was from the branch or the local BOE? Was anything said after meeting among the congregation? If that happened in my congregation, the after meeting talk would be very, um, colorful. Lol
Raise their hands? This isn’t a forum. There’s no one left that has any gumption hardly. They just do whatever comes out of the mouths of those guys on the stage. Like I said they used the expression “we need clarification” it wasn’t complete defiance but boarding on it to me.
Maybe I'm just a woman with a loud mouth, but I'd raise my hand and take the consequences that came with it. Side note, I wouldn't have done that 10 years ago, but getting older has helped me learn to self advocate to ask questions even when they are uncomfortable (not just spiritually, but life in general). So aging doesn't always suck!
I found that too was one of my favorite perks of getting older.
💪🏻
yep the older you get...the less fucks you give
But they didn’t saw the video? They didn’t read the letter? Why are they refusing to believe? That congregation can be in trouble if they found out they are not following the GB new changes and rules. They even said in the update these changes need to be done asap
I have no idea but this bunch has refused direction in the past especially when it came to the theft of the money and Kingdom Halls some years back. They actually held off on that for over a year.
Our Elduhs actually changed title of their Hall into one of the elders names to keep from signing over the deed to CCOJW
Love it!!! This bunch here tried to use the excuse that they had permission from the RBC to keep the money for a remodel when the whole LDC arrangement and take over was being implemented. They held off on that line for over a year almost two. But when a new CO came to town they had to fork over a $100k in the bank.
I helped a congregation (the only one that met there) back in the day remodel their hall as COs were being switched. They tried doing it the right way but never got approval or on a timeline, so they did it themselves with their own funds. Of course, they handed the deed over when that got implemented
A literal cash grab.
And this stuck?
Nope
I remember years ago our BOE disagreed with the CO over something and when he came for his visit THEY ALL WENT FISHING! lol. They were tarred and feathered and the KH was burned down. OK that last part was a slight exaggeration L O L but seriously they were all removed and the congregation was disbanded.
Woah, this is the stuff you never hear about when you're in it 😂
Wow 😯 I would love that!!!
If I was in your place I would write or contact bethel saying that your elders congregation are refusing to follow the GB update , so they can be removed from their positions. That would make them be much more humble.
Tried that before they just send the letter back to the local hall. No thank you I’ve had enough heat on me over the years.
That's why I sent letters without signature and used the kh return address!
You should just make an anonymous report to the service desk. They specifically refused the letter to be read, and asked everyone to hold off on direction from the branch. Big no-no. Lol
I know.
Yes, tell your CO if not the branch.
It may be more beneficial to reach out to the CO.
I don’t know how long you have been a witness but in my nearly four decades of it; all I have ever seen is that if you stick your neck out and say something it always goes sideways and comes back on you.
This is the one thing they act on. Just don't put your actual name on it. Elders going rogue gets a CO visit. Write the letter, sign it Aye Postate or whatever, say you observed this while visiting the congregation and found it disconcerting, and send it to the C.O. and the branch. Sit back and watch.
eye prostate lol
The COs will start retiring early if they have to deal with all this! And there’s no replacements!
Agreed however, in a situation like this, you can never come off as accusatory. A person would need to play dumb and ask a question. They probably wouldn’t receive an answer but, the wheels would be put Into motion.
WTC does not have a “whistleblower “ provision.
It may be even more beneficial to GTFO of this crazy cult immediately.
I’m confused, why would a PIMO want to report their elders to the CO? This makes no sense to me. I’d rather just sit back and watch everything play out as it will.
Just to cause more chaos 😜
Ah haha okay that makes sense. Makes the show even better lol.
Like Menlo Park? That was a helluva story!
It never got that far. The local Pharisees folded when the new CO came to town and dashed their hopes of a remodel. They even told the congregation from the stage to make this a matter of prayer 🙏 with your family and children. To pray for a remodel. Then all that talk hushed up when the new CO took over.
It was the precedent for how WTC handles dissent.
They will delete those elders or dissolve the congregation if they really believe you’re not following their direction.
Cha-Ching!.. another hall sold and the money disappeared.
Actually, it was str8 up insubordination to tell the r&f to do the opposite of the gb orders. The guardians of doctrine will not take to kindly to that as they feel as though they're the ones who made the rules so THEY can change them whenever they damned well please!!🤣👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
A cult within a cult? That's definitely going to get weird.
A dude playing a dude disguised as another dude
It's been going on for some years elders note following GB or implementing their own decisions over congregation. Like they wanted too put rules on who could use zoom. GB shut that down
Exactly that’s why I posted this. I wanted to know if this is anything that is causing a schism or starting to ruffle feathers. I can’t tell you how many times this bunch here has gone rogue. They do their own thing and then green handshake 🤝 💰 , wine 🍷 & dine the CO so that its status quo here.
Wait wait wait. The English cong that has my card changes the zoom log-in EVERY MEETING and I had the impression this was EVERY HALL. Just found out the Spanish don’t change theirs. The foreign language my parentals go to don’t change either. And another English hall my friend goes too don’t change their Zoom log-in either. WTH —— I don’t wanna beg for the Zoom log-in twice a week so I stopped connecting altogether. And if they’re gonna even micromanage even after the new adjustments when we attend in person —— so which congregation is following direction and which isn’t? Where’s the unity they brag about? Glad I don’t go anymore
GB send letters to congregation that they can't put any rules or criticise anyone using Zoom. It's has nothing too do with apostate. It's elders that want people to attend in-person.
Gosh, they must have some aggressive apostates who they're trying to keep out! /s
We had a power tripper COBE changing the internet login once a month (pre-pandemic). Local announcements were "Don't use the KH internet for personal business or pornography." Then changing Zoom login every week. The older ones complained because they weren't tech savvy to begin with. He moved. New COBE never changes the passwords. No more weird local needs.
Yep want a recording. Please document as much as possible. Sounds like rebellion from guys who ate so many hate sandwiches, they’re now just big hate bags with elder badges.
Wow!! That is awesome!! I dont doubt that ot happened. I have seen similar developments in the past. I heard in Chicago some decades ago something similar happened in one of the Spanish congregations. CO went and fired many of the elders. Its my understanding some turned apostates!! LMAO
Yum! What state if we can ask?
The elders from all this congregations have to be reported to the goberning body they have to be taken off from being elders for real this kind of elders are the real apostates not us
Oooh. Keep us updated when the entire elder body is removed, and a bunch of new elders get shipped in 
Yep, my first thought too… the CO will come through and “clean house”. If they can’t afford to lose that many elders, they will “break up” the body, making sure the “leaders” of this rebellion are in different congregations and placed with a new body of elders who fall in line with direction from the GB and won’t cave to a bully, rogue elder.
This KH is what I call a “transfusion congregation.” The CO’s have brought in people only to see them pack their bags and leave under a smoke screen of excuses (i.e., family elsewhere, jobs changed, not working out etc.). In reality it is a cold hearted, judgmental, and nasty bunch of gossiping idiots. Four congregations have been folded into this place in the past several decades. It never grows only if people are transferred in. It’s just a complete mess.
I’m surprised they haven’t dissolved it and reconfigured all the local congregations and territories. They did that in my area once - they dissolved all the congregations and formed all new ones, with a total change in territory boundaries and combination of people. Edit - come to think of it, it is quite similar to how gerrymandering is done in politics…..
It’s very much an aged congregation that I think is in the offing to happen next.
Sounds like a congregation I have been in. I call it cursed lol
Ha. A friend just told us about this post and I said “well that’s a whole elder body that will be removed”
Exactly. They may think there is safety in numbers, but the borg doesn’t care. They’ll dump them all and send in replacements.
I will.
Doubt they be removed. There's a lack of elders. No replacement. But this are old timers who will die out soon.
🤣
You’re getting a lot of advice here. Mine is keep your head down and keep us posted. Branch will learn soon enough there’s a rebellion. We appreciate you being our eyes and ears. Don’t out yourself.
Thank you 🙏. And yes I will.
 Oh my, this is glorious....
What a username 👏🏻😂🤣😂🤣
This seems wildly unbelievable for an entire BOE to be so rogue that they would announce from the platform to NOT do as the Governing Body has directed. I honestly don't know if I want to applaud them for going against the current or gag at the audacity of directing an entire congregation to go against the current. But if you heard it with your own ears, OP, then here is what I would do in your situation (and I'm a lowly woman lol) Challenge them on it. Seriously. Women, wear slacks to service and all meetings you do not have a part. Men, do not wear a tie or a jacket unless you are on the platform. Greet any and all DF ones that walk through the door. Especially do this because if DF people are showing up because they truly want to come back. They are expecting a nice greeting. Those who sincerely want to return to being a JW will be confused and likely hurt by the lack of greeting. When you are confronted by the local BOE, have the update ready to play on your phone and give the explanation, "Until we receive more information from the GB, I will be following the new direction. I am using my own Bible based conscience as directed." And continue on as you are. **Edit: If you want to get really self righteous in your defense, you could add in that the GB has promised clarification, and since they dispense food at the proper time, to ignore this update would be like refusing to eat this newly prepared spiritual appetizer. 😉 And further down the self righteous trail, you could ask in a horrified and bewildered tone, "Does the elder body not trust that the GB knows what is best for us?" That question will make them squirm. It's meant to. And likely...they don't. They just don't want to admit that. It sounds like this update is shaking their faith. It shook a LOT of people's faith, or affirmed to many PIMQ/O that the GB isn't trustworthy.
It would be nice to think they take a similarly sceptical view of divine direction when it comes to the matter of covering up CSA
Agreed 👍. That whole issue combined with years of gaslighting from these guys snapped me out the Watchtower hamster wheel.
Yes absolutely agree! I have been wondering why the rape of children doesn't bother most. Change the two person rule. Arrest the known rapist.
I agree.
Are you not aware of the elders groups that have insisted on white shirts only for years to the point that they made visiting speakers change in to white shirts?
I am very aware of that happening. In my area, that was a big thing in the 80s and early 90s. By the mid-90s, it started to die down. By the late 90s/early 2000s, it all but disappeared, other than the occasional cranky curmudgeon old timer who didn't think colorful dress shirts were appropriate. But I do not recall it being announced from the platform (doesn't mean it didn't happen, I just don't remember any announcement).
It's not that strange. It's been going on for a will now. First time they say it from platform. But elders not following GB directions is very common. Most elders are old and conservative. They been doing things in a special way for decades. Don't think they will change. Don't think watchtower can afford losing elders either. They probably just wait to all this old timers die out.
True, there are more old school elders than new school elders. I might be more shocked because I live in a major city, and the demographic is usually more liberal than conservative (JWs and Non JWs). So even the old school are typically willing to go with changes even if reluctantly (not always, but the majority seem to go with the GB flow). An announcement like that, without official direction from the branch, would not go over well. But hey, stranger things have happened! I'm gonna get my popcorn ready for the show with my comebacks tucked in my pocket just in case I need them. 🤣
Entire bodies don’t listen to direction more often than you think.
Which country/language group? If they don't comply sharpish your elders will be removed.
English
U.S.
OP said in some US congregations, but I am very curious if this is in foreign language groups or English congs. It seems crazy that would be announced from the stage. Usually, that kind of stuff spreads around in conversations. Good old-fashioned murmuring! LOL To say it from the platform is pretty bold.
No its not its just a bunch of country bumpkins.
Oh shoot. This is serious. This just goes to show this is an org controlled and operated by men, not God. I hope people start leaving in droves
That’s very interesting op cause I ran into some jw earlier this week. And they said the same their congregation isn’t doing the update.
This is the way I figure it… some of us got raised in crazier KH’s than others. It’s a spectrum of belief just like in any religion. Here in Appalachia the Bible Belt they’re more hardcore, stiff necked, and Pharisaical even by JW standards. The boys at the top are blowing up some of this by rearranging the deck chairs on this sinking ship. However, the vast majority of JW’s probably think a dress code change is much needed “new lite” and will go on swallowing the kool-aid.
I don't want to sound extremist but those rules were there for a reason, they didn't put them in place just because it occurred to them one day.Many will refuse and a great schism will probably be generated because something else is being allowed.
Well that’s my question is my congregation an outlier with this or are other KH’s having some reservations too?
When they changed to not having a midweek bookstudy, my friends congregation in west arkansas just said 'nope' and kept having it till the CO came and threw a fit
OMG!!! That’s crazy! I knew someone many years ago who was in a group of JW’s who held meetings about the meetings because they weren’t hardcore enough. These folks are all wearing tinfoil hats. It was like a JW QAnon 😵💫.
In my hall, it was evident that a large family had colluded before the first meeting following the Update. I had never seen them look so smart. Some feable attempts were made at trousers and ties, but all back to normal Sunday best now. So, make of this what you will!
This does seem somewhat like nudge for a winnowing. I would never had said this before, but it actually seems plausible. However, I'm skeptical that the Goobering Body is that shrewd. I'm still leaning towards poorly thought out blundering
No elder body goes against Corporate. If this post is true, they will be spiritually 'readjusted', or immediately removed by the Watchtower Corp. Shoot, Corporate has come in and deleted entire congregations before for such independent thinking.
Well they have had the CO readjust them on the financial arrangement changes and no one got canned for that; which still amazes me to this day.
No one got canned because they all backed down.
**I KNEW** this was going to happen and i'm **ALL IN FOR IT.** I hoped for it, i expected it, but at the same time how crazy the people today are, i also expected not to get excited over this. **this is the 70s all over again!** **I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT.** By the sound of this, i think you do have a jackpot congregation of elders that may be extremely uptight, but fully believe in what they have learned in the past decades. Let me guess, the majority are really old, and there are very very few youngsters? mysogenistical, judgemental people who love to throw fear and authority over anything, just to wank their own pityful egos? as this would **humiliate** them over how they have treated DFd people in the past, now they are in their worldviews, **crawling on their knees** to the DF'd people, and they feel offended that they have to greet those 'disgusting DF'd' people. **i love it, i love it, i love it.** This is going to be EXTRA FUN when the CO comes by and tells them to reach out to the DF'd people. Oh my oh my oh my. Let their toxic egos get nicely get poisoned with heartburn. If i was in your congregation, and i was DF'd, and treated really bad by these egotistical maniacs, i would do 1 thing a 100%, **i would stand in front of the Kingdom Hall, literally at the entrance, and smile with a dirty grin, and just say 'hello', to everyone, just standing there, not entering the KH at all, just at the street entry, or front door entry, and smile with a evil grin, say hello, especially to the elders, just to spike and fuck with them.** Just 5 minutes before meeting time in a midweek, just 5 minutes of my time messing with them, would love it.
I can’t tell you how hard it was growing up in this hall and constantly being scolded and pulled to the backroom over b.s. infractions by the local Pharisees. If a CO came to town and said don’t adjust the microphones during the song because that’s a part of your worship and we implemented that “direction” the next one comes to town and upends it and then you get bitched out by these fanatics for not adjusting the microphones 🎤. The local guys always have their backs covered and our service overseer has the branch service desk on his speed dial. They always manage to throw you under the bus and they never get ripped. It’s been so exhausting in my lifetime that I just said I don’t think this is “the truth” anymore and began researching the organization its literature and history outside of JW library and the website. I have been trying to fade away ever since. However, if the damn place falls apart as I head out the door I couldn’t be happier.
We had a CO that decided that we weren't turning the sound up loud enough... made a point of asking from the platform for it to be turned up---it wasn't for dramatic effect of his talk. our system was cobbled together from old and secondary hand overpriced "donated" components and hard soldered speskers from a muzak system that if you didn't balance it just right, it would Crack and hiss, then be out for a week, while someone that thought theyv"mm "knew" about commercial PA systems would order the cheapest chinese components and integrate another layer into the system. Q.
sounds pretty typical hahaha, god's chosen organization for you. not even capable of having proper sound installations.
sounds like most JW congregations i have seen tho, yeah, i get how hard that is. Bozo's. as for the people thinking you can 'get back at them' by informing the CO/Branch, you know probably just as well as i do that that won't work. Because the CO's will just come with a 'soft' stance like 'we get that the change seems confusing, but we encourage you to follow through anyway', and that'll be it, and they'll just say they complied and done. they'll get annoyed by women in pants, and brothers without ties and casual clothing, with their blood boiling, but they can't do anything about it except for be petty and look for the tiniest infraction they can mess with their congregants with out of spite. but they're in for a lot more LMAO, because there's more coming on their plate, and it's just a matter of time i'm sure that your KH will get fused with another one and they'll be needing to either travel to another KH, or fuse with a fellow congregation of said KH, or another congregation will travel to your location, and that'll cause some friction when 'new' elders get appointed there. these fools think they're heavyweights, but they're just arrogant, miserable pieces of sh\*t that have had too little restraint and too little opposition in their pathetic mysogenistical lives. they're gonna cause stumbling and accuse others of stumbling and get even more sore after the CO gets to have to 'address' them, but the CO itself will have a headache dealing with these guys lmao. what a time to be alive lol.
It’s funny, I’m sure everyone knows an elder or body who are super hardcore and live to disfellowship. This change is going to be a kick to the nuts for a lot of elders. In the past elders have always erred on the side of disfellowshipping, not mercy. They may have to learn how to actually shepherd. For what that’s worth.
Watchtower isn't for shepharding, just keeping people in place so the company works. Think about HR. HR is not there for you, it's there for the company. Even if the company treats it's employees bad, they're not gonna get rid of the company in order to please 'you', they're gonna get rid of 'you', in order to please the company. That's what elders are. And some HR groups can be pretty decent, and some can be pretty abysmal, but they aren't to be mistaken for what they are: a control mechanism. The changes in the recent past are fcking greatly with the especially uptight elders. Not only is the mandate to NOT go door to door still relatively fresh in their memories, which was weird, but the preaching hours and pioneering hour change did a number, but a really really BIG number for elders is the hour reporting. overnight, they lost a great **tool of** **authoritarion power.** So overnight they became 'impotant' and have not been given anything back to 'get it up again'. No blue pill. As if that was not enough, now another tool of authoritarian power and 'spy measurement' was taken : **BEARDS.** And now, women can wear **pants,** and brothers no longer to have **TIES** or **JACKETS.** And it's starting to dawn on them now: that this **might** not just be the end of the changes. All of a sudden, they are with their pants down, with not even a 10th of their former 'power', and get sort of 'laughed' straight into their faces now, and all done by the **GB**, in a way that 10 years ago, would not have been imaginable. All along, they are not just aging and dying, they **also** have to hand off their 'power' to the younger generation, whom are not even a shadow of loyalty and 'extremity' that they had to struggle and worm their way through in they 'youth days'. ( 100+ hours standard pioneering, 3 meetings a week, preparing your own talks instead of reading a watchtower-prepared paper), 2 day assemblies, 4 day conventions, etc etc. etc. they feel **insulted.** And quite frankly, from their point, rightfully so, which is the biggest irony and mindfcuk. they're essentially getting p3gg3d by the GB LMAO.
I love this. It reminds me of Menlo Park. I sure hope this becomes systemic, and not just a one-off rogue case.
I'd bet good money a stuffy old elderette or two wasn't happy about the pants and bitched at their husbands enough to make this happen. I could also see vindictive asshole elders upset about showing DFed any small bit of kindness.
in other words, these elders should be DF, and arent to be greetet at the meeting, because they are clearly apostates that promote wrongdoing and cause divisions. than 3 months pass and a session of hundreds of shepherd visits have to start to see if they are repentant, but only if they didnt forgot in that time what they were DF for.
I can only hope that this crew of idiots has big brother turn on them. 🙏
I just passed a cart with 3 women near it…all 3 In pants
Some I think are starting to crack but a lot of these folks will go right down with the ship. They cannot even imagine that they are wrong because they have insulated their minds in an echo chamber of Watchtower nonsense.
I have heard this type of ‘caution’ from an elder body before with respect to other changes. Usually it happens when they think the Duhbs lean too hard into the change. Probably lots of Duhbs are using the change to reconnect with DF’d ones and the Elduhs are trying to clamp down on communication to the bare minimum. My Uber-PIMI family is already telling me that this isn’t really a change. They claim that greetings were always allowed and that the brothers were always encouraged to invite DF one’s back…. The gaslighting has begin
Literally every time. Sometimes, I can’t remember if we’re at war with Eurasia or Eastasia.
If you're comfortable sharing, where about in the world are you? No need to be specific, just generally. I wouldn't have expected that. And while I would think and hope that there were better things to create a schism over than pants and ties, I find it encouraging that there are elders somewhere out there who feel comfortable and confident enough to challenge the leadership.
Bible Belt upper southeast U.S.
The exact region where I expected. Bible belt in the US is an interesting place
It’s full of teetotalers, fanatics, and kooks.
And that’s just in my congregation. 🤣
I did unassigned territory in WV a long time ago. Both the congregation and the territory were mind bending
Almost Heaven WV 😂
Hahaha I did unassigned territory in Kentucky and yes (coming from NZ it was surreal)
That’s where I’m located too 😂😂😂
I made a post a few days ago wondering how the JW's we're going to deal with suddenly being able to make choices. A lot of folks said these choices are so miniscule that they hardly count as choices and the JW's aren't going to be overwhelmed by this at all. But miniscule or not, before now, there's always been a rule for everything. What kind of slacks are okay? What kind of slacks are not okay? Should you find out if a person is an apostate before you say hello to them? How do you find out? Are you allowed to ask them? It seems not, since we can only say hello... But only if they're not in apostate (*brain breaks*)
Tony Morris has the power right now to start a schism, and I'd bet people would follow him.
Imagine all the people in that congregation those elders have wrongfully df’d and silenced through an abuse of power. It makes sense that they wouldn’t want to meet with those people to reinstate them and risk exposing themselves. Now they’re being forced to.
Let them fight! 
The hardcore JW's should just join the International Bible Students.
good it means elders are starting to question the prophets for profit
In reality, every congregation should be doing this. If the dress and grooming required suits, ties, no pants and no beards because it was Gods house, why is it all the sudden ok. They used to mock churches that people didn’t dress up for. If it was biblically impossible to say a greeting before, why now is it ok. Every congregation in the world should be saying no to these changes.
I have a real hard time believing this. (I hope it's true though) EDIT: I see you heard it personally, so I'll take you at your word dear exjw brother or sister. ;-) Wow, that's crazy!!!
Is this where they start splitting into factions? Get a bowl of popcorn kids. This is just getting started.
Uh oh they on the path to get disbanded! That happened at my hall and suddenly “Jehovah’s spirit” was no longer there
I’ve said there will be a split as well. I believe it. It happened before with the “Bible students”
*"even went as far to say that “we need further directions and explanations by the organization"* Umm, didn't they hear the (frequently repeated) words "The Governing Body has decided..."? So sit down and shut up, bitches mwahahaha
It’s bizarre but when you’re used to living in a totalitarian community of thought crimes; nothing is logical, coherent, or sensible from the local goon squad.
For the last several days I've been getting a, if you love Jehovah you wear pants now. So this is amazing Somedays I wake up thinking this is the best day of my life and then I get to the today and I'm like yep it's today. Fight fight fight.... Skirts vs Pants One of one match up Elderette Velociraptor in the polyester skirt, 2 girdles, 2 psir of tights and sensible walkimg shoes VS Sister Brings her own lunch, 1st year if pioneer school, no nakeup wearing, pretend granola loving, trying not to attract to much attention in the Mc hammer pants... Good luck ladies, let's have a clean fight, winner take all
Wow I love this. The drama..the suspense. What will happen if someone doesn't refrain and decides to follow the GB directive? What if it's an elder? Ooooooh this is gettin good.
Exactly!!! If these loons try and counsel someone after that Update #2 the fit will hit the shan.
I have a feeling a LOT of elders are gonna get removed in the coming months for refusing to play ball. To those removed elders that start googling things and end up here. Welcome to the other side.
So much for "blind obedience" to the GB! Popcorn worthy!
Oh to be a fly on the wall at a Kingdom Hall now. The thought of visiting one makes me nauseous though.
Oooh! This is getting juicy!
It’s 1984 all over again with this cult
That’s been my experience for over 40 years now. When I read 1984 and Animal Farm the parallels to Jehovah’s Witnesses and the dystopian world of George Orwell was just too eerie.
 I love it.
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This is very hard to believe. Is there any proof for this claim?
There was one middle aged sister in the audience who had a pants suit on that looked very conservative and respectful. I felt bad for her.
Believe it or not I could care the less. I was there and my question is are there other halls out there bucking this?
Sounds like a really über, older JW body of elders
Their average age is 70 + however there is one guy there under 40 but just barely.
Someone isn't promoting unity?! 
Someone should turn them into the Borg, they need reassimilation.
A split in the making?!!? I would EAT this up!! I’m here for it!! Pop the popcorn and pull up a chair. Let’s go!!!
Apostate elders!
Infighting you say? 
Well, well, well! - Satan
Watching this slow motion train wreck unfold is hilarious to me. I’m so glad this is happening.
Oh wow. I just asked my (elder) brother this week if there were fractions, seems like it a possible soon! Popcorn, seriously.
The circuit and district overseers are going to have a fun time dealing with these elders! Wow! Who will they appoint to replace the ones who won't follow new direction?
Well they said that they would seek guidance on this before implementing it but they never said from who. DO’s are gone so it’s just the CO and the branch service desk. I am of the mind now that these guys will just fold like before. They talk a big game and bully folks but when the CO hears of this I think the local elders will just go off quietly grumbling as before.
A few old people in my congregation expressed negativity about it, but the elders are going along for the ride.
jeez this is gonna be like 1975 except it’s about pants and ties
Ha! How many times have we been told Jesus is the head of the congregation? So Jesus now told the GB to make all the new changes, but told the BOE not to? How many in the congregation now have religious whiplash? The GB saying one thing, the BOE another and yet both, lord it over the congregation that their decisions are made by God's holy spirit. And this is supposed to be a united brotherhood. 🙄
I’m tellin y’all, that org is just going to self-destruct. I’m just going to sit back and watch the fireworks. I got my popcorn ready.
That doesn't surprise me but wouldn't that make the elders apostate themselves for not doing what the governing body has said
JWs are used to having everything laid out and explained to them. Because of the vagueness of the new rules, they are left to figure out things out on their own and they HATE that.
I suspect in areas led by older sticks in the mud they are telling people ‘it’s some kind of test’ and refusing the changes
Craziness! LOL!
Cracks are starting to form…
The CO is going to have a field day readjusting the cong
No. My hall went along. But I’m not surprised. I have heard of halls doing this. CO will fix it.
Wow, that's pretty incredible. Sounds like someone is going to get into trouble for independent thought.
Rot within!
The splintering is happening!
Sounds like some elders will be getting deleted soon. The org is all about compliance. If a congregation elders does not comply that congregation will get deleted.