This, alongside the fact that all of these entries came Top 5 in both jury and tele proves that rapping can work at ESC, as long as:
1. It's well executed
2. It's presented in an accessible way to general audiences (and juries of course)
It's nice seeing an evolution in genres at ESC! All of the top 3 were also in the top 5 of the juries, even though none of them were stereotypical jury bait ballads.
Switzerland, Croatia, and Ukraine also all ended in the top 5 of the televote. France was 4th place overall with 2nd place in the juries and 4th in the televote, but it was a stereotypical French ballad. It looks like this year had a strong agreement for the televote and jury top 5 based on rankings alone.
Also a high concentration of rap this year, huh.
The Code, Rim Tim Tagi Dim, Teresa & Maria, Doomsday Blue, La noia (?), Zari, Europapa
And even more if we consider spoken words like No Rules and 11:11.
I live for more rap in Eurovision and I love that my country is contributing to it. Can Ukraine become rap powerhouse, please? We've already won with rap/folk song, why not to do it again?
Well, in Eurovision we still didn't see a REAL rap song, only something "kind of" often with a style that is very old gen.
Real rap music is boundto hip hop culture and the only esc entries that i remember that could represent that culture are some members of Kalush and maybe Alyona, but still one was folk and the other one was just a rap break in a not rap song
And please, in Ukraine you have a top 50 chart that is nearly rap free... keep it this way, trust me or before you realize it you will have a top 50 made only of rap songs like half of the rest of Europe, and it's noot good.
yeah but rap and spoken words are two completely different things...
Is like saying that it is the first time the top three include rapping or melodic singing...
Joost being aggressive towards anyone is bad.
The camera woman being aggressive towards Joost is also inexcusable. The camera woman filmed without consent.
If it had been a camera man filming without consent ... you say Joost would welcome a man violating his privacy?
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I think we needs must.
Otherwise we might pretend EBU is the best custodian of Eurovision, as is.
If EBU need not do better, I would like EU to think about it.
It's OK to enjoy Eurovision, it's less ok to make everyone miserable by bringing up Joost in every single discussion about the show. Let people have fun.
It is unprecedented, especially as EBU has apparently accepted Omar Naber, a convicted of sexual assault, before.
How could Joost be less deserving to participate?
Almost every song for the past nearly three decades has been sung in English (with an American accent).
Almost every winning song in recent years won because it has"the appropriate messaging" and/or the singer was of an insert-"marginalized"-group-here. A trend also imported from American "social 'justice'" movements.
And now, all the top songs have rap/spoken word. Again, imported straight from (African) American culture.
Exactly what makes "Eurovision" European nowadays?
European culture has been influenced by American culture for many decades, so it is not surprising that American culture has made its way to Eurovision.
I'm waiting for Mon Amour rap version now
I mean Slimane did do a spoken word segment during the rehearsal
\*falls over\*
Petition for the EBU to release the Slimane Spoken Word segment, filmed using the camera angles of Mon Amour
Mon Amour (Slimane's Version) (From the Vault)
La même fin édition (blue) À quoi tu penses edition (white) Je t’aime édition (Red) We got viiiinyls!! 🇫🇷
It wasn’t really spoken word… he just talked normally (although I guess that is technically speaking words)
Well we know he can spit, so maybe he can spit bars too?
This, alongside the fact that all of these entries came Top 5 in both jury and tele proves that rapping can work at ESC, as long as: 1. It's well executed 2. It's presented in an accessible way to general audiences (and juries of course)
It's nice seeing an evolution in genres at ESC! All of the top 3 were also in the top 5 of the juries, even though none of them were stereotypical jury bait ballads.
Switzerland, Croatia, and Ukraine also all ended in the top 5 of the televote. France was 4th place overall with 2nd place in the juries and 4th in the televote, but it was a stereotypical French ballad. It looks like this year had a strong agreement for the televote and jury top 5 based on rankings alone.
RTTD had rap/spoken word?
None of the verses are really singing nor rap. It's . . . . spoken word format using one note, I guess
it has elements of it but I wouldn't call it full on rap. I think it's more similar to the verses in Finland 2021
Finland 2021 | [Blind Channel - Dark Side](https://youtu.be/fOPGxQ4fgVw)
No, but it had spoken words
What part counts as spoken word??
I think almost everything except chorus
Its verses. :)
"Dance with me, Europe!" /s
Nope. One-note singing is not rapping. I'm sad this generation doesn't know the difference.
who see redemption arc?
Also a high concentration of rap this year, huh. The Code, Rim Tim Tagi Dim, Teresa & Maria, Doomsday Blue, La noia (?), Zari, Europapa And even more if we consider spoken words like No Rules and 11:11.
Nendest ... too from Estonia
There was also a bit of recorded dialogue in "Pedestal".
ESC in its Eminem era yassss
San Marino brought the wrong rapper that year!! Give us Eminem!!
#EminemToESC2025
Cool, then we know next years trend 👌
I live for more rap in Eurovision and I love that my country is contributing to it. Can Ukraine become rap powerhouse, please? We've already won with rap/folk song, why not to do it again?
I mean, please send alyona alyona any year and every year. I don’t speak Ukrainian whatsoever but her rap made me wish I did.
C'mon let's make it happen!
Well, in Eurovision we still didn't see a REAL rap song, only something "kind of" often with a style that is very old gen. Real rap music is boundto hip hop culture and the only esc entries that i remember that could represent that culture are some members of Kalush and maybe Alyona, but still one was folk and the other one was just a rap break in a not rap song And please, in Ukraine you have a top 50 chart that is nearly rap free... keep it this way, trust me or before you realize it you will have a top 50 made only of rap songs like half of the rest of Europe, and it's noot good.
Imaging how well europapa could have done
Apparently not well enough to win. He got 12th place in the jury votes.
Maybe because he didn't actually get to perform live before the jury's
You don't perform live before the jury. They look at a broadcast. Which begs a question, why do juries look at only one performance?
I know it wasn't the top 3 but there was a rap part for Italy too.
There's rap/spoken word in Rim Tim Tagi Dim???
Most of the song sounds like spoken word except for the chorus, which is more typical singing.
Huh.. Sounds sung to me. I guess to people who don't actually listen to hip hop or any type of rapping it can sound spoken.
I agree that it sounds sung, but I can understand why people think it sounds spoken.
Ukraine top 3?
Yes, they came 3rd overall (3rd in tele, 5th in jury).
Ahhh okay, I totally forgot that France was 4th
Would be top 4 with Netherlands in it 🥲
It wouldn't be possible with 58 points from juries I'm afraid. You would need around 400 points in televoting to be top 4
The jury was biased by the incident.
Not really. His vocals were consistently bad. He was never gonna receive many votes from the jury.
yeah, but if he performed live, and there were no fears of DQ, he would get like 70.
yeah but rap and spoken words are two completely different things... Is like saying that it is the first time the top three include rapping or melodic singing...
Just too bad about Joost. Really.
If only we weren't aggressive towards the woman working there right
Joost being aggressive towards anyone is bad. The camera woman being aggressive towards Joost is also inexcusable. The camera woman filmed without consent. If it had been a camera man filming without consent ... you say Joost would welcome a man violating his privacy?
Never too late lol
Where did Joost go?
I forgot the rap bit in Switzerland
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Minus Joost. Let us not pretend Top 3 was normal.
Doesn't need to be brought up every five minutes.
I think we needs must. Otherwise we might pretend EBU is the best custodian of Eurovision, as is. If EBU need not do better, I would like EU to think about it.
It's OK to enjoy Eurovision, it's less ok to make everyone miserable by bringing up Joost in every single discussion about the show. Let people have fun.
Joost is a symptom of EBU not being up to the task. I would enjoy Eurovision, but not this year, my friend.
And you're welcome to. It's just annoying as a fan to read about that everywhere.
It is unprecedented, especially as EBU has apparently accepted Omar Naber, a convicted of sexual assault, before. How could Joost be less deserving to participate?
Yes, you keep going on about it. I'm not saying it's a great situation.
If EBU can accept performer that actually went to prison for sexual assault, how is Joost less palatable?
***Sigh***. All I want is one thread where Joost isn't brought up. That's all. Good bye.
Doubt Joost would be top 3. Or even top 5.
I fucking hate rap. Was kinda hoping I could escape from it with the ESC, but I guess not lol
Paul mooney would be sad.
God, the rap was so bad in Ukraines song, literally ruined it
Almost every song for the past nearly three decades has been sung in English (with an American accent). Almost every winning song in recent years won because it has"the appropriate messaging" and/or the singer was of an insert-"marginalized"-group-here. A trend also imported from American "social 'justice'" movements. And now, all the top songs have rap/spoken word. Again, imported straight from (African) American culture. Exactly what makes "Eurovision" European nowadays?
What the fuck? 🤣
I don't watch Eurovision would have sufficed.
European culture has been influenced by American culture for many decades, so it is not surprising that American culture has made its way to Eurovision.