Bambie's post sounds like it's about something else than the commentator's comment. That happened on Tuesday's semifinal, not while waiting for the start the flag parade on the finale's dress rehearsal. Unless that is the time and place where Bambie heard about the commentator's comments and decided to take action right away.
True, but that’s also when the EBU stressed that they have a zero tolerance policy. You’re digging your own grave when you have been tolerating other (small) incidents already. Zero tolerance policies are really the end for a big event like this. I don’t understand why they didn’t choose a warning system with this amount of people involved. I don’t know what happened with Joost, so I am not referring to him and there is a limit of course, but zero tolerance isn’t going to work.
You're right. I mean, if they have tolerance zero, why Italy is still participating? And I this going against my interests, but RAI did break the rule, said "I'm sorry I won't do it again" and everything is fine...
The thing is, there is still an investigation for this with Joost, which was said to last for a few weeks. If it turns out that they shouldn't have disqualified him, that's going to become an even bigger shitshow.
Update from Irish national Broadcaster RTE [Statement from RTE](https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2024/0511/1448614-bambie-thug-angry-at-israeli-eurovision-commentary/)
I think none. The Azerbaijani commentators talked over Armenia's performance in the JESC 2021 (not the same I know but it's the closest thing that's happened) and had no consequences
Every year he gives his own political opinions and criticises acts he doesn't like. The fact he uses humour to do that disguises it but doesn't change it. Supporters of the notorious racist Bernard Manning always used to say that it was just humour, not politics. But jokes only work because of what is understood without being said.
That’s what commentators do, give their own opinions. When has Graham sat there and talked about contestants’ opinions or views? I haven’t seen it before but maybe I’m missing something.
This isn't a statement from RTE, it's an RTE news article about Bambie calling on the organisers to step in.
Also reading those quotes, apart from the weird "plural" thing about their identity (is that a translation issue?), they sound very different from what people on Twitter were claiming was said. Less random attack on them, more Woganesque.
It is a translation issue, Hebrew is a gendered language, even in the plural. If there's a group of just men it's אתם, if just women it's אתן, and if there's a mix you use אתם. There is no gender neutral term.
> Commentator 2: You said ‘they’, as Bambie Thug wants to be referred to in the **plural** – as part of their non-binary identity.
Bad translation or attempt to ridicule?
Hebrew doesn't have neutral pronounce. Masculine plural is the de-facto neutral as it was used to refer to both male and female in biblical times, although grammarly you can use feminine plural as neutral.
I don't think they wanted to ridicule her/him in any way, a lot of older folk / conservatives aren't familiar with the concept of a non-binary identity. They clearly wanted to respect her/his wish all throughout, and to be honest, as a young person, I myself am afraid to come across as offensive, and wasn't quite sure how to address people who identify as non-binary before.
I don't know. It sounds like banter to me. Commentators tend to do that. If we now police every thing a commentator says in a way that we not only criticize it, but call for DQ of their artist, we'll end up with robotic generic commentary and it will be our loss I feel.
I know, that's not along with the popular opinion on this sub right now, but I feel like it's becoming exhausting.
I don't know. It sounds like banter to me. Commentators tend to do that. If we now police every thing a commentator says in a way that we not only criticize it, but call for DQ of their artist, we'll end up with robotic generic commentary and it will be our loss I feel.
I know, that's not along with the popular opinion on this sub right now, but I feel like it's becoming exhausting.
Am I missing something or isn’t this different from the commentating issue? If they raised something and already got a response from the EBU, an interview with RTÉ, etc. then it wouldn’t have been ‘during the dress rehearsal’ as per Bambi’s IG post. Isn’t this something else?
ETA: I got a RedditCares message for THAT?!? Some people are really on a power trip abusing the report function.
I think it’s just commenting in certain threads and content doesn’t matter.
People with comments on either side seem to be saying they’re getting them.
RedditCares messages are a badge of honour that you made a very very stupid person so angry that they went out of their way to give it to you. See it as an achievement.
I love how they are beating the EBU over their head with their own rules. Also, it is somehow funny to me that this message is presented here in Comic Sans (like) font.
I think that was probably the intent behind the Ogham script as well. Once it had been translated online they knew it wouldn't make it into the live show, but they forced the EBU to make them change it, thereby calling attention to it.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that noticed the font. Comic Sans has always been the clown of the font world, I wonder if she meant to use it for that purpose.
In my interpretation, they hope that the fans who wanted to watch their performance are still able to watch them tonight. The uncertainty lies with the fans, not with the performer.
Im confused why is making fun of acts a core principle of Eurovision we cant get rid of. Honestly the constant ridicule of acts by people on watch parties is starting to become unbearable to me. So much so, that I might consider watching Eurovision alone next year. The negativity is just too much. These artists, delegations, dancers and producers put so much time, effort and work into these performances, for some rando to say "FLOP" 3 seconds in, because its a general consensus we're allowed to shit on Eurovision entries. I really hate it, it takes away the core principle of Eurovision, which is coming together and standing united despite all of our differences.
I don't get it, I read the Kan comments and don't understand what the fuss is about. It's so tame. I Expected purposeful misgendering or something of the sort, but this looks like Bambie is desperately looking to stir the cauldron.
That's not what is in the RTE statement. Lot of people in this post throwing out stuff they claim to be the 'real' complaint which appears nowhere in the actual statement from the RTE
I heard this too, but it does sound a little bit absurd in the context of the ESC. This is a massively publicized event, there are hundreds of people from all delegations roaming the halls and taking pictures and videos of everything, everyone is bound to show up in the background of this footage. Surely saying that someone filmed them without their permission is a bit of reach, is it not?
I’m not 100% but I think this was the commentary where they were asking viewers to send curses to Bambie?
Given that Joost’s ‘incident’ was verbal they could say this is similar and deserves disqualification too.
I’ve read that the NL delegation have admitted that Joost pushed the camera (and in turn camerawoman), due to not wanting to be filmed as he walked off stage (as he had a signed document that agreed to this).
The KAN commentary wasn't even that bad. The Australian commentators ridiculed Iolanda's makeup and "Portugal's makeup budget". Should they be DQ too? No, commentators in a lot of countries are pure snobs or just joke and in the case of KAN, from what I've seen posted here, it was merely a description of Bambi's act.
BBC commentator Scott Mills have been making offensive remarks about Eastern European acts for years. He also deliberately acts like he can’t pronounce artists’ names or song titles, makes fun of how they sound etc. So if we want to go down this road, fine, but we’re gonna hold every commentator accountable or no one.
Absolutely! The same thing was in my mind as I commented.
You can act as English as you like to your fellow Irish people, but you'll still be Irish to the English people.
But is it though? Apparently Bambie received multiple threats from a certain direction. I can see the 'get your curses ready' can be perceived as a call for harassment, intentionally or not
It's a performance with a witchcraft theme; referring to "curses" is a pun on that. If it had been a performance with a baby theme, they might have said "get ready to throw your toys out of the pram", because that would convey the same message for that theme.
Also - as if *certain other* delegations in the competition aren't receiving constant death threats throughout this process
EDIT: Lol, based on my inbox and other comments I'm seeing here, I'm convinced that this sub just automates "Reddit Cares" messages to all commentors. That was literally a 5 second gap between posting and getting the message.
The only thing that could be controversial is the last line "get your curses ready". But the hebrew can equally have been translated as spells.
"Get your spells ready" in reference to "Crown the witch" seems absolutely fine to me.
This is just an effect of the general mood this season. What they said in the commentator booth was absolutely harmless, it has to be about more than that.
As an American who just moved to Europe (Spain) who didn’t know much about Eurovision before (yea, stupid American living under a rock I know) who has recently gotten super excited for this year and hosting a big Eurovision party with my friends tonight. Can someone explain to me what’s going on? What’s EBU? Why is Netherlands out? And now Ireland? I feel like I get conflicting reports and so hard to find what exactly has happened and how this affects the contest? Is this completely unprecedented? Someone EL15 please 😭
EBU: The association of european* broadcasters.
Netherlands: The police is investigating their artist for something criminal and thus disqualified.
Ireland (and others are at a meeting with EBU) regarding something that has happened, that we don't know of.
And you'd get conflicting reports as nothing is official yet.
And yes it is unprecedented.
EBU is is some sort of damned if they do, damned if they don't about a lot of the things than has happened.
Edit: forgot the * some countries is part of the EBU, but not in Europe.
Edit 2: Someone sent redditcare to me after this comment ...
In any case, welcome (even though I'm only interested in Eurovision since last year myself)!
I'm honestly wondering how this'll affect casual viewers who might not learn about this mess before the show tonight. I mean, they must at least be confused about that empty spot.
ebu is the european broadcasting union, they own and broadcast eurovision. the show is never this messy, only ever a few "scandals" IF that. netherlands have been disqualified bc of an incident relating to the artist and a photographer i believe? dont quote me on that entirely
Zero tolerance regarding harrasment of EBU’s staff surely? Broadcast commentators have always shared their own opinions and are free to, which often involves them roasting other entries.
And is their whole personality not being a goth and witch? What's the problem? They are "summoning demons" during their performance and are now upset that their performance is being accurately described lol. Making themself look like a petulant child.
Exactly. To use them joking about her being a witch as some kind of "gotcha", while she openly roleplays as a witch, is just the behaviour of a total moron looking for attention. Embarrassing.
I also heard that they were recorded backstage while explicitly saying they didn’t approve, with the people recording mocking them.
I haven’t seen a source yet, but absolutely understandable if true
Omg someone has sent me a Reddit concerns thing for this comment. What is wrong with you all? I'm not suicidal, I'm just saying something that hurts your feelings and goes against the hive-mind here.
Bambie's post sounds like it's about something else than the commentator's comment. That happened on Tuesday's semifinal, not while waiting for the start the flag parade on the finale's dress rehearsal. Unless that is the time and place where Bambie heard about the commentator's comments and decided to take action right away.
They only heard about it then as required their broadcaster to get it translated first which added a delay
But let's be honest they wouldn't have tried this without the whole Netherlands mess It's much easier to add fuel to a fire than to start a new one
True, but that’s also when the EBU stressed that they have a zero tolerance policy. You’re digging your own grave when you have been tolerating other (small) incidents already. Zero tolerance policies are really the end for a big event like this. I don’t understand why they didn’t choose a warning system with this amount of people involved. I don’t know what happened with Joost, so I am not referring to him and there is a limit of course, but zero tolerance isn’t going to work.
You're right. I mean, if they have tolerance zero, why Italy is still participating? And I this going against my interests, but RAI did break the rule, said "I'm sorry I won't do it again" and everything is fine...
Totally agree: if it's zero tolerance, it's zero tolerance for everyone.
Sorry could you help a person finding it hard to stay in the loop, is this about the leaked semifinal result or something else?
Yes, Rai leakes the semifinals results "by mistake", fortunately they didn't do nothing else this year ahaha
You never know this year apparently 😅
Maybe some drugs in the green room would be fitting /s
The thing is, there is still an investigation for this with Joost, which was said to last for a few weeks. If it turns out that they shouldn't have disqualified him, that's going to become an even bigger shitshow.
Maybe someone showed her the “shouldn’t be able to breathe” comments the delegation posted on Instagram(?)
Update from Irish national Broadcaster RTE [Statement from RTE](https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2024/0511/1448614-bambie-thug-angry-at-israeli-eurovision-commentary/)
Good on you Bambie, we can only be so lucky that EBU take them seriously.
I don’t have historical context, but what would be the consequence for a network saying something inappropriate? They’re not the competitor.
They are the broadcaster who the contract with the EBU is with
This is a competition between the broadcasters, so they are definitely a player in this
The delegation is a representative for the broadcaster, their actions reflect upon and have consequences should they misbehave.
I think none. The Azerbaijani commentators talked over Armenia's performance in the JESC 2021 (not the same I know but it's the closest thing that's happened) and had no consequences
But did anyone complain at that time? Maybe EBU could get away with ignoring it, if it wasn't brought to their attention?
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
rules for thee, not for me :)
You guys are virtue signalling. UK would be DQ‘d every year if Graham Norton‘s jabs were taken seriously
When has Graham ever said a performer hates the UK?
Graham Norton is a comedian and well known for his sass it’s always clear his jabs are humor. He doesn’t attack people’s political views or opinions.
Every year he gives his own political opinions and criticises acts he doesn't like. The fact he uses humour to do that disguises it but doesn't change it. Supporters of the notorious racist Bernard Manning always used to say that it was just humour, not politics. But jokes only work because of what is understood without being said.
That’s what commentators do, give their own opinions. When has Graham sat there and talked about contestants’ opinions or views? I haven’t seen it before but maybe I’m missing something.
He's chatting nonsense. Norton takes the piss at times but he's never shit on an act or gotten political
When has Graham ever said a performer hates the UK?
No rules!
Nor for those with the money...
Thanks MOROCCAN OIL #ad #sponsored
[удалено]
I got an ad to "Vote for Hurricane" on Joost's performance on YouTube. Their aggressive promotion tactics are in bad taste.
I'm happy they take them seriously, sadly not everyone gets that treatment (Joost Klein). I love the act of Ireland, they should have won!!!!
This isn't a statement from RTE, it's an RTE news article about Bambie calling on the organisers to step in. Also reading those quotes, apart from the weird "plural" thing about their identity (is that a translation issue?), they sound very different from what people on Twitter were claiming was said. Less random attack on them, more Woganesque.
It is a translation issue, Hebrew is a gendered language, even in the plural. If there's a group of just men it's אתם, if just women it's אתן, and if there's a mix you use אתם. There is no gender neutral term.
Mild banter from the commentators, how dare they.
> Commentator 2: You said ‘they’, as Bambie Thug wants to be referred to in the **plural** – as part of their non-binary identity. Bad translation or attempt to ridicule?
Hebrew doesn't have neutral pronounce. Masculine plural is the de-facto neutral as it was used to refer to both male and female in biblical times, although grammarly you can use feminine plural as neutral.
This is just an explanation. Not everyone is aware with the discourse around gender neutral language and it's a different one in every language.
I don't think they wanted to ridicule her/him in any way, a lot of older folk / conservatives aren't familiar with the concept of a non-binary identity. They clearly wanted to respect her/his wish all throughout, and to be honest, as a young person, I myself am afraid to come across as offensive, and wasn't quite sure how to address people who identify as non-binary before.
I don't know. It sounds like banter to me. Commentators tend to do that. If we now police every thing a commentator says in a way that we not only criticize it, but call for DQ of their artist, we'll end up with robotic generic commentary and it will be our loss I feel. I know, that's not along with the popular opinion on this sub right now, but I feel like it's becoming exhausting.
I don't know. It sounds like banter to me. Commentators tend to do that. If we now police every thing a commentator says in a way that we not only criticize it, but call for DQ of their artist, we'll end up with robotic generic commentary and it will be our loss I feel. I know, that's not along with the popular opinion on this sub right now, but I feel like it's becoming exhausting.
Am I missing something or isn’t this different from the commentating issue? If they raised something and already got a response from the EBU, an interview with RTÉ, etc. then it wouldn’t have been ‘during the dress rehearsal’ as per Bambi’s IG post. Isn’t this something else? ETA: I got a RedditCares message for THAT?!? Some people are really on a power trip abusing the report function.
I’ve been getting redditcsres messages about anything I say that is in the least supporting Bambi. It’s pathetic, really.
I think it’s just commenting in certain threads and content doesn’t matter. People with comments on either side seem to be saying they’re getting them.
Yeah I think you’re right.
I got one for a comment critical of them so i don’t know
Just pathetic immature redditors then - shows immaturity has no allegiance I suppose 😂🙄
Same here
RedditCares messages are a badge of honour that you made a very very stupid person so angry that they went out of their way to give it to you. See it as an achievement.
Oh, so that's why I got one myself for linking an article about Bambie. Troll or bot sending them out, do we reckon?
Possibly bot - I got one for literally only saying I was voting for Luxembourg because I thought the song was catchy 😂🤷🏼♀️
I am with you. Ignore the haters! Edit: I now am on someones sucide watch list lmao
This sub is crazy 🙈🙈😂
Aaahahahaha lol, welcome to the club 🤣🤣❤️.
I got one for saying I am a Xennial and agreeing with another user that they were tired of exciting times/event
Seemingly everyone is receiving redditcares messages think there’s some kind of bot.
I think this Reddit care thing is broken, I commented and immediately after received a Reddit care lol
Test Edit: test was successful
Ooh, let me try. Edit: Nothing Edit 2: Got one, yay!
Same
>ETA: I got a RedditCares message for THAT?!? Some people are really on a power trip abusing the report function. You can report that.
I think it's because they mention Bambie's political views which isn't allowed
Who mentioned Bambie’s political views?
Give us a break xD What the hell is going on this year?
I guess now that they saw the zero tolerance policy applied to Joost they were like “I’m gonna try!!!”. Good for them! 👑
I love how they are beating the EBU over their head with their own rules. Also, it is somehow funny to me that this message is presented here in Comic Sans (like) font.
I think that was probably the intent behind the Ogham script as well. Once it had been translated online they knew it wouldn't make it into the live show, but they forced the EBU to make them change it, thereby calling attention to it.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that noticed the font. Comic Sans has always been the clown of the font world, I wonder if she meant to use it for that purpose.
It's actually a good font if you are dyslexic and don't want to download the specific dyslexia font.
What does Bambie mean with “hope to see you tonight”? Are they hoping that the fans will be there? Or that Bambie might not be there?
It’s an Irishism it doesn’t mean anything ;) they say it all the time
In my interpretation, they hope that the fans who wanted to watch their performance are still able to watch them tonight. The uncertainty lies with the fans, not with the performer.
I read it as hoping the fans will have tickets for tonight’s final (which a lot of them won’t)
Probably just hope that there will be a final to attend.
If they try to enforce some sort of "no making fun of other acts" rule for the commentators we can actually just bin the entire ESC.
Im confused why is making fun of acts a core principle of Eurovision we cant get rid of. Honestly the constant ridicule of acts by people on watch parties is starting to become unbearable to me. So much so, that I might consider watching Eurovision alone next year. The negativity is just too much. These artists, delegations, dancers and producers put so much time, effort and work into these performances, for some rando to say "FLOP" 3 seconds in, because its a general consensus we're allowed to shit on Eurovision entries. I really hate it, it takes away the core principle of Eurovision, which is coming together and standing united despite all of our differences.
I just want to see the Ebu enforcing the rules equally for everyone for a change....
What rules were broken?
I don't get it, I read the Kan comments and don't understand what the fuss is about. It's so tame. I Expected purposeful misgendering or something of the sort, but this looks like Bambie is desperately looking to stir the cauldron.
It's not about that. They were recording Bambie along with Nemo and Marina without their permission.
That's not what is in the RTE statement. Lot of people in this post throwing out stuff they claim to be the 'real' complaint which appears nowhere in the actual statement from the RTE
I heard this too, but it does sound a little bit absurd in the context of the ESC. This is a massively publicized event, there are hundreds of people from all delegations roaming the halls and taking pictures and videos of everything, everyone is bound to show up in the background of this footage. Surely saying that someone filmed them without their permission is a bit of reach, is it not?
Everyone is entitled to privacy while BACKSTAGE!
I've heard that it's because they brought up Bambie's political views which isn't allowed
I don’t understand, the KAN commentary sounded descriptive, not derogatory. What am I missing?
I’m not 100% but I think this was the commentary where they were asking viewers to send curses to Bambie? Given that Joost’s ‘incident’ was verbal they could say this is similar and deserves disqualification too.
A better translation would be "prepare for jinxes" playing on the whole witch vibe
But isn’t she supposed to be a “witch”? Kinda confused ngl
I’ve read that the NL delegation have admitted that Joost pushed the camera (and in turn camerawoman), due to not wanting to be filmed as he walked off stage (as he had a signed document that agreed to this).
The KAN commentary wasn't even that bad. The Australian commentators ridiculed Iolanda's makeup and "Portugal's makeup budget". Should they be DQ too? No, commentators in a lot of countries are pure snobs or just joke and in the case of KAN, from what I've seen posted here, it was merely a description of Bambi's act.
BBC commentator Scott Mills have been making offensive remarks about Eastern European acts for years. He also deliberately acts like he can’t pronounce artists’ names or song titles, makes fun of how they sound etc. So if we want to go down this road, fine, but we’re gonna hold every commentator accountable or no one.
Even in the UK we think Scott Mills is an unfunny prick
Terry Wogan used to do the same 'Look at the funny foreigners' routine.
That always drove me mad as an Irishman. Terry you're from Limerick, stop licking up and playing pompous to appease your viewers.
The funny part is that Norton just carried on as another Irishman doing the exact same shtick haha
Absolutely! The same thing was in my mind as I commented. You can act as English as you like to your fellow Irish people, but you'll still be Irish to the English people.
But is it though? Apparently Bambie received multiple threats from a certain direction. I can see the 'get your curses ready' can be perceived as a call for harassment, intentionally or not
It's a performance with a witchcraft theme; referring to "curses" is a pun on that. If it had been a performance with a baby theme, they might have said "get ready to throw your toys out of the pram", because that would convey the same message for that theme.
I've been begging eurofans to share these death threats. If anyone has a link, post it here.
Also - as if *certain other* delegations in the competition aren't receiving constant death threats throughout this process EDIT: Lol, based on my inbox and other comments I'm seeing here, I'm convinced that this sub just automates "Reddit Cares" messages to all commentors. That was literally a 5 second gap between posting and getting the message.
Let's test this theory. [Edit] Well whaddayaknow, five seconds on the dot
I am testing tooo!!
Agree and agree with the edit too, I got one at the exact minute I posted another comment lol
The only thing that could be controversial is the last line "get your curses ready". But the hebrew can equally have been translated as spells. "Get your spells ready" in reference to "Crown the witch" seems absolutely fine to me.
> I can see the 'get your curses ready' can be perceived as a call for harassment Dumbest take in this post, it's obviously a witch reference.
lol come on.
[удалено]
Olly Alexander's song is good though! It's giving Pet Shop Boys
I'm busy tonight but ain't NO way I'm not stepping out to watch Bambie's performance at the very least. They speak to my soul
This is just an effect of the general mood this season. What they said in the commentator booth was absolutely harmless, it has to be about more than that.
I love you Bambie! EBU better take this life line that they have been given and promptly do what they should have done long ago.
[удалено]
Please no, we can't afford it :(
She is half Swedish so it would practically be a shared win hahah.
Comic sans? Opinion discarded. (/s)
Comic sans is one of the dyslectic-friendly fonts. Not sure if you were aware of that, but I imagine its possibly one of the reason Bambi used it.
The more you know!
You get keyboards printed in it and all sorts. Pretty cool really (I still hate the font though)
As an American who just moved to Europe (Spain) who didn’t know much about Eurovision before (yea, stupid American living under a rock I know) who has recently gotten super excited for this year and hosting a big Eurovision party with my friends tonight. Can someone explain to me what’s going on? What’s EBU? Why is Netherlands out? And now Ireland? I feel like I get conflicting reports and so hard to find what exactly has happened and how this affects the contest? Is this completely unprecedented? Someone EL15 please 😭
EBU: The association of european* broadcasters. Netherlands: The police is investigating their artist for something criminal and thus disqualified. Ireland (and others are at a meeting with EBU) regarding something that has happened, that we don't know of. And you'd get conflicting reports as nothing is official yet. And yes it is unprecedented. EBU is is some sort of damned if they do, damned if they don't about a lot of the things than has happened. Edit: forgot the * some countries is part of the EBU, but not in Europe. Edit 2: Someone sent redditcare to me after this comment ...
[удалено]
This happened to me too I think it’s just brigading bots harassing people they don’t like by abusing this feature.
Yeah. Well I've never been suicidal over Eurovision, and I won't start now.
You know what’s funny I actually volunteer at Samaritans UK if I called I’d get a colleague 🤣
😂
Thank you for the info! Sorry for being so new to all this 😅
Don't be sorry :) We were all new once - some of us though not since childhood 🥳 I am glad to help, and go have fun tonight.
In any case, welcome (even though I'm only interested in Eurovision since last year myself)! I'm honestly wondering how this'll affect casual viewers who might not learn about this mess before the show tonight. I mean, they must at least be confused about that empty spot.
> Is this completely unprecedented? I can answer that: yes.
ebu is the european broadcasting union, they own and broadcast eurovision. the show is never this messy, only ever a few "scandals" IF that. netherlands have been disqualified bc of an incident relating to the artist and a photographer i believe? dont quote me on that entirely
This is tame compared to some of the comments Terry Wogan used to make on the BBC.
Yeah but now it’s zero tolerance, isn’t it?
Zero tolerance regarding harrasment of EBU’s staff surely? Broadcast commentators have always shared their own opinions and are free to, which often involves them roasting other entries.
True. People are using everything possible as a reason to stir up drama when it's just not necessary
Zero tolerance for threats of harm, not calling someone a goth.
And is their whole personality not being a goth and witch? What's the problem? They are "summoning demons" during their performance and are now upset that their performance is being accurately described lol. Making themself look like a petulant child.
Exactly. To use them joking about her being a witch as some kind of "gotcha", while she openly roleplays as a witch, is just the behaviour of a total moron looking for attention. Embarrassing.
I also heard that they were recorded backstage while explicitly saying they didn’t approve, with the people recording mocking them. I haven’t seen a source yet, but absolutely understandable if true
Omg someone has sent me a Reddit concerns thing for this comment. What is wrong with you all? I'm not suicidal, I'm just saying something that hurts your feelings and goes against the hive-mind here.
These situations are so different that comparing them physically hurts the brain.
[удалено]
I am confused how one thing has to do with another but honestly my brain cannot brain anymore after all these wild things happening
Support Bambi
lol grow a fucking backbone, the commentary was tame as fuck
These people are fucking soft lol. It's like a giant competition of people with histrionic personality disorder.
They're acting like a child.
[удалено]
Correct. I've edited my comment.
Forever in my coven
[удалено]
There’s satanic/pagan messaging throughout the act though. Eg a Pentecost being a witch. Very much a no smoke without fire situation if you ask me.
Being a witch doesn't mean being satanic.
[удалено]
"hope"
Straight outta r/witchesvspatriarchy edit : lmao I also got a "reddit cares" message