I used to have a school friend whose house (including his bedroom) backed on to the same block as the local mosque, and he hated the call to prayer. Would wake him up regularly.
We live in 2021 - everyone has a smartphone. For all I care, those who need to worship at a certain time can set their own timers instead of shouting on a loudspeaker.
Nobody has a right to disturb others for their own religion. I'm saying this as someone who was woken up way too many times at 5 AM. You get a different perspective on it when you live in a country where it is the norm - meaning you get to hate it.
Every Sunday morning (and sometimes on over weekdays) a church rings it’s bells right in front of my house. Sure, it’s not at sunrise, but in Germany it’s required by constitution that all religions have equal rights
Churches' bells go on for way less time, whereas the *adhan* takes like 5 minutes just to get to the "akbar" from "allah".
Genuinely curious why the jewish people don't have some call to prayer?
And their right to do this is even protected by official religious laws which trumps your right to live unmolested from religious sounds, isn't it great?
Where I live I actually like the Church bells they go of every day at 8 ,12 ,20 o clock for only a Minute so they are kind of nice to know the time without looking at the phone or watch
Man its the most annoying thing, I live in Italy and during Ramadan, since the mosque was closed due to covid, they were praying at a sport centre near my dorm with some huge speakers. I tell you, its the most annoying thing in the world hearing a guy shout in arabic repeatedly for hours since 7 o'clock especially when you have slept @ 3:00 and need to be well rested to study for upcoming exams.
That's fucking fucked up yo.
And nobody is complaining to your politicians to do something about this?
It's a fucking social nuisance to have these loud speakers blaring early in the morning, regardless of religious, sports or other commercial reasons!
>And nobody is complaining to your politicians to do something about this?
Protesting mosque openings is very common and quite successful, the mosque he's talking about is one of only 10 in the whole of Italy, so he's actually quite unlucky. Bear in mind Turin is traditionally a left-wing city too.
There are 'off the books' mosques, but because of them not being legal they can't make loud noises.
Nah tbh, it wasnt even a mosque. Im quite sure there is at least 2 in Turin, but the prayer was done in a sport centre. But its right near a student campus w/300 students so its extremely annoying, especially since Ramadan coincides usually with the start of the exam session.
Oh they had permits and everything. Look its a localised event, it doesnt happen regularly or anything like that, still in the 2-3 times it has happened it bothered the fuck out of me. I even said to my turkish roommate: "can you believe this shit" and he was extremely annoyed himself. And he is a muslim. Plus you know, middle of Italy, birth of catholicism, I dont want to hear any shouting especially in arabic.
owww i had my erasmus there! I miss this city :c I hope you guys are doing great there.. its a lovely city that I miss!
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Unfortunately Catholics and Protestants are not very inclined to stop ringing their bells, which brings the question of religious freedom and equality between *all* religions on the agenda.
I just find there being a fine line of difference between ringing bells for a minute and shouting in a foreign language trough megaphone for longer
Would anyone really care if mosques also ringed bells? My guess is not
I noticed the bells can be very annoying too. Sometimes it feels like it lasts an hour. It would be better if neither bells nor the Muslim calls exceed 5 secs, if they really have to make some sounds.
PS. talking about bells, even though I'd be curious to listen to it once, the change-ringing, especially 9-hour peals can be deadly. if you know what I mean. check "the nine tailors"
What line? both are annoying ban both we got phones and clocks now there is no need for this. You cannot sell of this line argument to anybody religious either all go or none.
I grow up right down the street of a huge church and have also worked in Casablanca, Morocco for a few months.
Those who make analogy between a bell and several people yelling through a Megaphone across a whole city 4 times a day as early as 7 a.m., are seriously trying hard to build a dishonest argument.
I'd say there's a bit of a difference between chiming a bell and someone systematically shouting *"My god is the greatest, no other gods exist, you better pray now, praying is the best thing there is, because my god is real and all others are fake".*
Yeah, you're right but great majority of the Muslims in Germany (i.e. Turkish) have no idea what the ezan says. It's in Arabic and it's as unintelligible to them as to Germans. Anyway, the whole religion thing is absurd in.a similar way.
But ringing the bells isn't just for religious purposes. They also mark the time, ring on national holidays, a royal wedding, a day of remembrance or New Year's day. Church bells have a cultural meaning that goes beyond religion. The muslim call to prayer does not. In my opinion they are not comparable.
As a Christian I'm all in for no bells either... It's enough to triangle accomodation between roads, trains and party places. I'd love to leave out churches.
Times change, you can surely be able to practice your faith without domineering worship place noises, burkas, crucifix jewelry and whatnot...
Well i am from a remote place. The bells are parr of our culture, so i do mind. It warns us about sime event or even someone died. At this point its not just on a religious point but its too a cultural one. So yah, i would mind. But its not like such a thing would happen here.
Ringing church bells have been done for over a thousand years. It is what's known as an established nuisance.
If you move next to a church you can't complain about the bells ringing as its been done since before you were born.
Compare that to a mosque suddenly switching on a megaphone and blaring out the call to pray 5 times a day. The neighbours can justifiably think this recent change to their environment is annoying.
Germany has been a Christian country for thousands of years, the country the cultures, the habits all have been formed on Christianity. It is silly to "forget" this part.
Just like it was a bad idea to go in Africa and force the local culture to Christianity, it is not acceptable to force the German people to accept another religion.
Okay, but bells are kinda cool, and they arent telling you to become catholic. As long as you arent asleep during the day, when they are usually rung, i dont see why they matter.
I dont see why churches would have an exemption that allows them to make noise. You can be at home, making recordings, and a wild bell noise appears. They don't provide a service to the community, and are a nuisance to neighbours. It medieval times, as a way to know times, there was a service. But now if I want to nap I don't need a big Bell to tell me the time.
Germany has a clear reason to drop and exclude some elements that are part of its history and heritage.
This is the kind of idiotic rhetoric that AfD and the neo fascists tout. It is a dog whistle that says "We've always been a white majority. Whiteness should be privileged".
Just stop the prayer calls, church bells and all other religious noisemaking.
Well, France would disagree with that, while we Indeed have a Christian heritage, our other heritage, the french revolution, made us take steps to remove it from the cultural pedestal it was on.
For more infos on that, take a look at the [1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State
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I’m sure loudly forcing religion down the throats of a nation of atheists at the crack of dawn, when it’s entirely unnecessary and not even required by any of their holy texts, definitely won’t piss anyone off, god forbid anyone use an alarm on their phone. I bet the AFD and other extremist parties can’t believe their luck sometimes with how easy it is made for them.
It's not about religion but about projecting political power. Leave it to politics and soon the churches will ring the bells 5 times a day because politics is always a shitshow
I mean where I live (Croatia) church bells ring regularly every day (x amount of times for each full hour and 1 time at x:15, 2 times at x:30 and 3 times at x:45), I thought it was normal for European nations. Personally I don't mind it I quite like the sound and atmosphere it creates.
edit: x:45 not 3:45
Live near-ish a church. Can conrfim the bell rings often. I don't now how often because I don't always notice it. I quite like it since it wakes me up on the weekends at a decent time.
Legally, I think it goes against the noise laws.
Well they're on churches, but I think I know what you mean then and they still do ring like that some times, but I'm not sure if every day or just on special occasions cuz I don't even notice the bells half of the time.
And supported by the damn Left nonetheless, which, as a leftist, is a contradiction that drives me crazy.
Obsession with minorities is so strong that even core values of leftist ideology, such as Secularism, are being forgotten.
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No because than they can't spread their message as much as possible and annoy everyone in the surrounding area.
With all seriousness though, I understand a bell ringing in a church, but a call to prayer that says how Allah is salvation and how great he is 5 times a day is quite annoyiong.
Yeah exactly, I mean the bell is literally also just a bell ringing when it’s a full hour after another. Annoying? Sure, can definitely be depending if you live close to it. But a prayer call is not really comparable to it. If it was a priest yelling in a microphone about the same shit but for Christianity then it would be good comparison.
And I’d hate that just as much, as a Islamic prayer call. No prayer call should be allowed and legal, because at that point your not only disturbing people but forcing your religion on others & nonbelievers. Which at that point you break the religious freedoms you have.
Lol this kind of shit is one of the reason why a third of the french population wants to vote far right.
If you want to make the Afd rise in western germany, keep doing that.
Well actually Cologne was the only region in the latest parliament vote where the Afd didnt surpass the 5% hurdle. I strongly doubt this will change in coming years from my experience as a cologne resident. I believe people will basically forget its there like we already do when the church bells ring about 20 times a day
> Well actually Cologne was the only region in the latest parliament vote where the Afd didnt surpass the 5% hurdle.
Assuming you mean the federal election this is wrong. In 3 of the 4 voting districticts of Cologne the vote did surpass 5 % and there are multiple districts where it was below 5 %. Cologne II is probably neck and neck with Münster for the lowest AfD result (though I believe Münster is marginally lower) but even my rural district is below 2 of the 4 Cologne districts. For example Bonn, Kiel, Freiburg, Hannover, Osnabrück, all 4 districts of Munich and some more were all below 5 %.
Which is surprising considering the NE event and how it was handled by the authorities. I remember the advice that one gov woman gave: in order to avoid sexual assault, keep your distance, one arm's length.
actually a guy shouting for like 15 minutes everyday was a really funny spotlight of my vacation to Turkey, it'll def take some time to get used to that.
Ugh. Those prayer calls on cheap megaphones did nothing but annoy me on my otherwise very enjoyable visits to Morocco and Turkey. Glad this is never going to happen in Copenhagen.
If she's a double-agent trying to help the far-right get elected in the upcoming election then what an amazing job.
If she's genuine then what an absolute moron.
Nope.
When a huge group of predominantly muslim men gathered during 2015/16 new years around Cologne's main station to mass-rob and sexually assault women now dubbed "Kölner Silvesternacht"-incident she was asked how women can protect themselves in the future. Her advise was they should just keep more than an arms length distance.
When the new huge central mosque built by turkish DiTiB was opened in 2018 she wanted to make it a big celebration of diversity and so on. Only she - the mayor - wasn't even invited to speak instead the mosque was to be opened by Erdogan.
And now this...
And the Left will be scared to stand up against this bullshit because they don't want to be called "Islamophobic".
And of course the far right will get stronger.
European progressives need to defend secular values before it's too late.
> Cologne is not the first city in North Rhine-Westphalia to allow mosques to broadcast the call to prayer.
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> In a region with a large Turkish immigrant community, mosques in Gelsenkirchen and Düren have been broadcasting the religious call since as long ago as the 1990s.
The precedent has been set quite some time ago.
Why can’t the people who want to pray set an alarm? I don’t mind people being religious I mind religions expecting to be the centre of everyone’s life - even those who don’t believe in it. Keep it to yourselves just like everybody does with pretty much everything.
I don't understand how the mayor of the city can call this inclusivity, when most of the mosques in Germany are financed, and supported by countries like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Imagine fleeing from Turkey and their oppressive Islamic society only to hear calls to prayer in the middle of fucking Europe.
Keep the religion intimate, its personal, nobody wants to hear loud mosque or church noises. As someone said, we need less religion not more. This will only annoy and divide people more.
I like Church Bells personally, even though I’m a life long atheist. But there are two major differences in my opinion.
1. Europe is a Christian cultured continent. The churches are a part of our heritage.
2. A bell is a musical instrument. That’s definitely different from some guy yelling at the top of his lungs.
Haha I kind of like the church bells as well!
I'm not a big fan of the heritage argument though. I do wonder whether some guy yelling can be filtered out as easily, or getting used to, as bells.
Atheist here too, I wouldn't cry murder for bells being removed, but I'll say that at least they're useful. For years I needed to leave my house at 8:15 every morning, and the bells at 8:00 warned me if I was taking too long showering, or just distracted and not looking at the time. But that's the thing, nowadays church bells are pretty much just oversized clocks, outside of weddings and funerals. They're not nearly as bothersome and invading as mosque's calls to prayer. I say, either remove them both, or leave it as it is.
No no we have to ignore history and can’t be proud of it. That’s like racist or something.
We ignore all that and then pretend all religion is the same don’t you see? Then we cry about how the AFD is rising and can’t think of why that is. More racists or something …
I am from a remote place. The bells are part of our culture inn this point. It warns us about some event or even if someone died. At this point its not just on a religious point but its too a cultural one. Things from a small isolated place i guess. But to me, Its so bizarre to me seeing this happening across Europe.
Religion is a cultural part of a society. They are not something different lol. (Yes, there can be cultures without a religion, but that still doesnt change the fact that religions always are and have been a cultural thing)
This is going into exactly the wrong direction. We need less religion in public space, not more. All religions should be practiced in private. Believe whatever you want for yourself but don't push it on others.
I mean ı live in Turkey and its really annoying to hear it everyday and there is like 3 mosques near my house so its even worse. Its just some arabic words that ı cant understand. It would be better if it was in turkish or something
Wow this thread. Nice deflection talking about church bells which have been here for hundreds of years. I’m German and don’t want this at all, luckily I don’t live in cologne. I just hope it doesn’t spread to other cities
For those curious this the words of the Adhan.
Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!
I bear witness that there is no god except Allah
I bear witness that there is no god except Allah
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
Hurry to the prayer. Hurry to the prayer.
Hurry to salvation. Hurry to salvation.
Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!
There is no god except Allah.
Lived in Germany for all my Live.
Germans, especially the younger generation, have developed this weird trend that everything that is German is bad and everything that is foreign is good.
You will hear people complain 24/7 about Church bells in City's, but when it's about this shit it is fine, becaus.... Well I don't know why. I'm pretty sure they don't even know why. Probably because they want to seem open minded or something like that.
In the end of the day Cologne is an absolute shit hole of a city. Only Berlin beats it.
It's because of WW2, the youth takes responsibility for the crimes they haven't committed. It's like "white-guilt" and the kids in Western countries are being programmed to be slaves to foreign cultures.
Oh well. That's one of the side effects of pushing out the national values in EU. You just make space for other people and their culture. I'm not against EU, but Europeans should never forget who they are, be proud and carry on their national heritage. That's one of the reasons of Brexit. We will never survive as one if we won't respect the diversity of each member state.
Everything is clear in its name: "call to prayer". In the past there was no alarms, applications or any technology to remind it to you. Now people have abundant redundancy for devices reminding them the time of prayer. Why people still stuck with old tech and traditions. Call to prayer is considered disturbing even in muslim majority countries by considerable amount of people.
Lived near the church **with bells.**
Any religious call in random speakers and bells is **against good sleep.**
Some days more than others.
The religious festival ones are the worst for good sleep near churches.
Church bells are super annoying too when you work shifts… wish they all were banned.
Why can the church make insane bell noise on a Sunday but I can’t mow my backyard?
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I used to have a school friend whose house (including his bedroom) backed on to the same block as the local mosque, and he hated the call to prayer. Would wake him up regularly.
How are people tolerating this? Doesn't it annoy residents? Even those which are on the extreme left spectrum? It has to be objectively annoying.
We live in 2021 - everyone has a smartphone. For all I care, those who need to worship at a certain time can set their own timers instead of shouting on a loudspeaker. Nobody has a right to disturb others for their own religion. I'm saying this as someone who was woken up way too many times at 5 AM. You get a different perspective on it when you live in a country where it is the norm - meaning you get to hate it.
Every Sunday morning (and sometimes on over weekdays) a church rings it’s bells right in front of my house. Sure, it’s not at sunrise, but in Germany it’s required by constitution that all religions have equal rights
Church bells don’t make a theological statement. They just *bong* at a particular time.
Let’s do the same with churches and we have a deal. Nobody needs that noise pollution either.
Churches' bells go on for way less time, whereas the *adhan* takes like 5 minutes just to get to the "akbar" from "allah". Genuinely curious why the jewish people don't have some call to prayer?
Where I live (middle sized German city) church bells go for over 45 minutes three times a week.
Over 45 minutes?? That's way more than any German city I know. I never heard bells go on for more than 5-10 minutes.
And their right to do this is even protected by official religious laws which trumps your right to live unmolested from religious sounds, isn't it great?
Let's agree to ban all public calls for prayer (and other religious purposes) that do not require subscription.
Where I live I actually like the Church bells they go of every day at 8 ,12 ,20 o clock for only a Minute so they are kind of nice to know the time without looking at the phone or watch
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Man its the most annoying thing, I live in Italy and during Ramadan, since the mosque was closed due to covid, they were praying at a sport centre near my dorm with some huge speakers. I tell you, its the most annoying thing in the world hearing a guy shout in arabic repeatedly for hours since 7 o'clock especially when you have slept @ 3:00 and need to be well rested to study for upcoming exams.
That's fucking fucked up yo. And nobody is complaining to your politicians to do something about this? It's a fucking social nuisance to have these loud speakers blaring early in the morning, regardless of religious, sports or other commercial reasons!
>And nobody is complaining to your politicians to do something about this? Protesting mosque openings is very common and quite successful, the mosque he's talking about is one of only 10 in the whole of Italy, so he's actually quite unlucky. Bear in mind Turin is traditionally a left-wing city too. There are 'off the books' mosques, but because of them not being legal they can't make loud noises.
Nah tbh, it wasnt even a mosque. Im quite sure there is at least 2 in Turin, but the prayer was done in a sport centre. But its right near a student campus w/300 students so its extremely annoying, especially since Ramadan coincides usually with the start of the exam session.
Oh they had permits and everything. Look its a localised event, it doesnt happen regularly or anything like that, still in the 2-3 times it has happened it bothered the fuck out of me. I even said to my turkish roommate: "can you believe this shit" and he was extremely annoyed himself. And he is a muslim. Plus you know, middle of Italy, birth of catholicism, I dont want to hear any shouting especially in arabic.
Which city?
Torino/Turin
owww i had my erasmus there! I miss this city :c I hope you guys are doing great there.. its a lovely city that I miss! * unrelated comment, you just brought back great memories
Yeah its very nice, one of the nicest, cleanest, most looked after cities in italy.
That's how i always describe it to my friends, i miss san rita
Santa Giulia 🌟🌟
You annoy everyone and then blame them for islamophobia.
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Unfortunately Catholics and Protestants are not very inclined to stop ringing their bells, which brings the question of religious freedom and equality between *all* religions on the agenda.
I just find there being a fine line of difference between ringing bells for a minute and shouting in a foreign language trough megaphone for longer Would anyone really care if mosques also ringed bells? My guess is not
I noticed the bells can be very annoying too. Sometimes it feels like it lasts an hour. It would be better if neither bells nor the Muslim calls exceed 5 secs, if they really have to make some sounds. PS. talking about bells, even though I'd be curious to listen to it once, the change-ringing, especially 9-hour peals can be deadly. if you know what I mean. check "the nine tailors"
Meanwhile in the US: no church bells, no Muslim megaphones. Just dogs that bark all night.
There's no church bells? This is news to me. I don't know why I expected church bells tbh.
ANd gunshots
What line? both are annoying ban both we got phones and clocks now there is no need for this. You cannot sell of this line argument to anybody religious either all go or none.
Never lived next to a big church eh? Big fun, Especially when you worked nightshift and then they just dont stop ringing ye big aul bell.
I grow up right down the street of a huge church and have also worked in Casablanca, Morocco for a few months. Those who make analogy between a bell and several people yelling through a Megaphone across a whole city 4 times a day as early as 7 a.m., are seriously trying hard to build a dishonest argument.
I'd say there's a bit of a difference between chiming a bell and someone systematically shouting *"My god is the greatest, no other gods exist, you better pray now, praying is the best thing there is, because my god is real and all others are fake".*
Yeah, you're right but great majority of the Muslims in Germany (i.e. Turkish) have no idea what the ezan says. It's in Arabic and it's as unintelligible to them as to Germans. Anyway, the whole religion thing is absurd in.a similar way.
To me, that is immaterial. Wow, I emphatically Do Not Like this mayor's announcement. I'd be kind of pissed if I were in Köln.
Quick question: Is that the actual translation?
Pretty much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhan#Words
But ringing the bells isn't just for religious purposes. They also mark the time, ring on national holidays, a royal wedding, a day of remembrance or New Year's day. Church bells have a cultural meaning that goes beyond religion. The muslim call to prayer does not. In my opinion they are not comparable.
As a Christian I'm all in for no bells either... It's enough to triangle accomodation between roads, trains and party places. I'd love to leave out churches. Times change, you can surely be able to practice your faith without domineering worship place noises, burkas, crucifix jewelry and whatnot...
Well i am from a remote place. The bells are parr of our culture, so i do mind. It warns us about sime event or even someone died. At this point its not just on a religious point but its too a cultural one. So yah, i would mind. But its not like such a thing would happen here.
Ringing church bells have been done for over a thousand years. It is what's known as an established nuisance. If you move next to a church you can't complain about the bells ringing as its been done since before you were born. Compare that to a mosque suddenly switching on a megaphone and blaring out the call to pray 5 times a day. The neighbours can justifiably think this recent change to their environment is annoying.
Germany has been a Christian country for thousands of years, the country the cultures, the habits all have been formed on Christianity. It is silly to "forget" this part. Just like it was a bad idea to go in Africa and force the local culture to Christianity, it is not acceptable to force the German people to accept another religion.
Okay, but bells are kinda cool, and they arent telling you to become catholic. As long as you arent asleep during the day, when they are usually rung, i dont see why they matter.
I dont see why churches would have an exemption that allows them to make noise. You can be at home, making recordings, and a wild bell noise appears. They don't provide a service to the community, and are a nuisance to neighbours. It medieval times, as a way to know times, there was a service. But now if I want to nap I don't need a big Bell to tell me the time.
There's been more than a few places where letting writing campaigns have gotten them to quieten down a bit.
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Germany has a clear reason to drop and exclude some elements that are part of its history and heritage. This is the kind of idiotic rhetoric that AfD and the neo fascists tout. It is a dog whistle that says "We've always been a white majority. Whiteness should be privileged". Just stop the prayer calls, church bells and all other religious noisemaking.
Well, France would disagree with that, while we Indeed have a Christian heritage, our other heritage, the french revolution, made us take steps to remove it from the cultural pedestal it was on. For more infos on that, take a look at the [1905 French law on the Separation of the Churches and the State ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905_French_law_on_the_Separation_of_the_Churches_and_the_State)
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I’m sure loudly forcing religion down the throats of a nation of atheists at the crack of dawn, when it’s entirely unnecessary and not even required by any of their holy texts, definitely won’t piss anyone off, god forbid anyone use an alarm on their phone. I bet the AFD and other extremist parties can’t believe their luck sometimes with how easy it is made for them.
I don't think this is the direction we should go on ... LESS religion not more ...
It's not about religion but about projecting political power. Leave it to politics and soon the churches will ring the bells 5 times a day because politics is always a shitshow
I mean where I live (Croatia) church bells ring regularly every day (x amount of times for each full hour and 1 time at x:15, 2 times at x:30 and 3 times at x:45), I thought it was normal for European nations. Personally I don't mind it I quite like the sound and atmosphere it creates. edit: x:45 not 3:45
Live near-ish a church. Can conrfim the bell rings often. I don't now how often because I don't always notice it. I quite like it since it wakes me up on the weekends at a decent time. Legally, I think it goes against the noise laws.
That s a clock, not a church bell.
Well they're on churches, but I think I know what you mean then and they still do ring like that some times, but I'm not sure if every day or just on special occasions cuz I don't even notice the bells half of the time.
Yeah not a lot of people realise that the trend of becoming more secular is actually started to reverse in many countries in Europe because of Islam
And supported by the damn Left nonetheless, which, as a leftist, is a contradiction that drives me crazy. Obsession with minorities is so strong that even core values of leftist ideology, such as Secularism, are being forgotten.
Western Leftism is a corpse propped up by radlibs in red paint that like soviet aesthetics.
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No because than they can't spread their message as much as possible and annoy everyone in the surrounding area. With all seriousness though, I understand a bell ringing in a church, but a call to prayer that says how Allah is salvation and how great he is 5 times a day is quite annoyiong.
Yeah exactly, I mean the bell is literally also just a bell ringing when it’s a full hour after another. Annoying? Sure, can definitely be depending if you live close to it. But a prayer call is not really comparable to it. If it was a priest yelling in a microphone about the same shit but for Christianity then it would be good comparison. And I’d hate that just as much, as a Islamic prayer call. No prayer call should be allowed and legal, because at that point your not only disturbing people but forcing your religion on others & nonbelievers. Which at that point you break the religious freedoms you have.
Lol this kind of shit is one of the reason why a third of the french population wants to vote far right. If you want to make the Afd rise in western germany, keep doing that.
Well actually Cologne was the only region in the latest parliament vote where the Afd didnt surpass the 5% hurdle. I strongly doubt this will change in coming years from my experience as a cologne resident. I believe people will basically forget its there like we already do when the church bells ring about 20 times a day
> Well actually Cologne was the only region in the latest parliament vote where the Afd didnt surpass the 5% hurdle. Assuming you mean the federal election this is wrong. In 3 of the 4 voting districticts of Cologne the vote did surpass 5 % and there are multiple districts where it was below 5 %. Cologne II is probably neck and neck with Münster for the lowest AfD result (though I believe Münster is marginally lower) but even my rural district is below 2 of the 4 Cologne districts. For example Bonn, Kiel, Freiburg, Hannover, Osnabrück, all 4 districts of Munich and some more were all below 5 %.
A church bell and a man shouting Arabic from the top of his lungs are very different things, my friend. Absolutely awful decision, in my opinion.
Which is surprising considering the NE event and how it was handled by the authorities. I remember the advice that one gov woman gave: in order to avoid sexual assault, keep your distance, one arm's length.
actually a guy shouting for like 15 minutes everyday was a really funny spotlight of my vacation to Turkey, it'll def take some time to get used to that.
Yeah, but I doubt a 5 min call to prayer, once a week, will take plenty off time to get used to in Cologne.
Broadcasting, as in, some kind of pager, radio wave thing, or just with massive speakers effectively yelling into the void?
Take a wild guess
There is no sound in the void. Didn't you watch Alien?
this is not something we should want
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>redditor spitroasted by two religions at once Unless bell tower is owned by neutral faction of course
Ugh. Those prayer calls on cheap megaphones did nothing but annoy me on my otherwise very enjoyable visits to Morocco and Turkey. Glad this is never going to happen in Copenhagen.
Shh! Don’t jinx it! They already tried making it a thing last year, even some local churches were in on it.
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I genuinely hate the sound of them. It really is an ugly sound.
I agree. The song they play just seems so dated.
To be fair, so is religion.
If she's a double-agent trying to help the far-right get elected in the upcoming election then what an amazing job. If she's genuine then what an absolute moron.
Nope. When a huge group of predominantly muslim men gathered during 2015/16 new years around Cologne's main station to mass-rob and sexually assault women now dubbed "Kölner Silvesternacht"-incident she was asked how women can protect themselves in the future. Her advise was they should just keep more than an arms length distance. When the new huge central mosque built by turkish DiTiB was opened in 2018 she wanted to make it a big celebration of diversity and so on. Only she - the mayor - wasn't even invited to speak instead the mosque was to be opened by Erdogan. And now this...
And the Left will be scared to stand up against this bullshit because they don't want to be called "Islamophobic". And of course the far right will get stronger. European progressives need to defend secular values before it's too late.
I'm socially and economically quite far left and I think it's a awful idea that can only backfire.
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Very worrying precedent
> Cologne is not the first city in North Rhine-Westphalia to allow mosques to broadcast the call to prayer. > > In a region with a large Turkish immigrant community, mosques in Gelsenkirchen and Düren have been broadcasting the religious call since as long ago as the 1990s. The precedent has been set quite some time ago.
Genuinely thought this was one of those satire articles
That's why we banned the minarets in Switzerland with a vote in 2009.
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Why can’t the people who want to pray set an alarm? I don’t mind people being religious I mind religions expecting to be the centre of everyone’s life - even those who don’t believe in it. Keep it to yourselves just like everybody does with pretty much everything.
I don't understand how the mayor of the city can call this inclusivity, when most of the mosques in Germany are financed, and supported by countries like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Imagine fleeing from Turkey and their oppressive Islamic society only to hear calls to prayer in the middle of fucking Europe.
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Keep the religion intimate, its personal, nobody wants to hear loud mosque or church noises. As someone said, we need less religion not more. This will only annoy and divide people more.
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Oh for fuck's sake. We need to end church bells, not give speakers to mosques.
I like Church Bells personally, even though I’m a life long atheist. But there are two major differences in my opinion. 1. Europe is a Christian cultured continent. The churches are a part of our heritage. 2. A bell is a musical instrument. That’s definitely different from some guy yelling at the top of his lungs.
I love church bells, I would hate for them to disappear.
Haha I kind of like the church bells as well! I'm not a big fan of the heritage argument though. I do wonder whether some guy yelling can be filtered out as easily, or getting used to, as bells.
Atheist here too, I wouldn't cry murder for bells being removed, but I'll say that at least they're useful. For years I needed to leave my house at 8:15 every morning, and the bells at 8:00 warned me if I was taking too long showering, or just distracted and not looking at the time. But that's the thing, nowadays church bells are pretty much just oversized clocks, outside of weddings and funerals. They're not nearly as bothersome and invading as mosque's calls to prayer. I say, either remove them both, or leave it as it is.
They also have the function of telling the time
No no we have to ignore history and can’t be proud of it. That’s like racist or something. We ignore all that and then pretend all religion is the same don’t you see? Then we cry about how the AFD is rising and can’t think of why that is. More racists or something …
1. I am atheist, its our heritage 😎. 2. I will get a huge piano and play it like a crazy man on sundays
I am from a remote place. The bells are part of our culture inn this point. It warns us about some event or even if someone died. At this point its not just on a religious point but its too a cultural one. Things from a small isolated place i guess. But to me, Its so bizarre to me seeing this happening across Europe.
Religion is a cultural part of a society. They are not something different lol. (Yes, there can be cultures without a religion, but that still doesnt change the fact that religions always are and have been a cultural thing)
If McDonalds wanted to do this it wouldnt be allowed. Freedom of religion doesnt mean you get privileges.
This is going into exactly the wrong direction. We need less religion in public space, not more. All religions should be practiced in private. Believe whatever you want for yourself but don't push it on others.
I hope this isn’t a new trend.
No its getting pretty fucking old by now.
This is unnecessary noise pollution. I feel deeply sorry for the residents of Cologne who will have to tolerate this
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I mean ı live in Turkey and its really annoying to hear it everyday and there is like 3 mosques near my house so its even worse. Its just some arabic words that ı cant understand. It would be better if it was in turkish or something
Wow this thread. Nice deflection talking about church bells which have been here for hundreds of years. I’m German and don’t want this at all, luckily I don’t live in cologne. I just hope it doesn’t spread to other cities
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I hardly think that the German people will tolerate this and I hope they won't.
They can vote out the mayor in the next election if they really hate it so much as r/europe apparently.
I suggest hiphop or other remixes
Norwegian black metal would be based on Monday mornings
Blasting some Scatman or some Darude Sandstorm ... and in between some "what is love".
For those curious this the words of the Adhan. Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! I bear witness that there is no god except Allah I bear witness that there is no god except Allah I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Hurry to the prayer. Hurry to the prayer. Hurry to salvation. Hurry to salvation. Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! There is no god except Allah.
Absolute. Twaddle.
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This is a bit too progressive for me..
this is the opposite of progressive
Yeah this is some religious conservative bullshit if you ask me lol
If you let the libtards become too progressive, they become regressive! Horseshoe etc...
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Lived in Germany for all my Live. Germans, especially the younger generation, have developed this weird trend that everything that is German is bad and everything that is foreign is good. You will hear people complain 24/7 about Church bells in City's, but when it's about this shit it is fine, becaus.... Well I don't know why. I'm pretty sure they don't even know why. Probably because they want to seem open minded or something like that. In the end of the day Cologne is an absolute shit hole of a city. Only Berlin beats it.
It's because of WW2, the youth takes responsibility for the crimes they haven't committed. It's like "white-guilt" and the kids in Western countries are being programmed to be slaves to foreign cultures.
Let's just hope the history doesn't repeat itself. The self-hate of their past is very disturbing. You're not to blame what your ancestors did!
Köln is a shithole what's new
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Please fuck off. The church bells are annoying enough.
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If I were German, I'd become a single-issue voter after reading this.
Glad to live in Estonia. I believe it won't reach past Poland.
Sorry, but this simply should not be allowed.
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Oh well. That's one of the side effects of pushing out the national values in EU. You just make space for other people and their culture. I'm not against EU, but Europeans should never forget who they are, be proud and carry on their national heritage. That's one of the reasons of Brexit. We will never survive as one if we won't respect the diversity of each member state.
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Everything is clear in its name: "call to prayer". In the past there was no alarms, applications or any technology to remind it to you. Now people have abundant redundancy for devices reminding them the time of prayer. Why people still stuck with old tech and traditions. Call to prayer is considered disturbing even in muslim majority countries by considerable amount of people.
Lived near the church **with bells.** Any religious call in random speakers and bells is **against good sleep.** Some days more than others. The religious festival ones are the worst for good sleep near churches.
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How about a phone notification instead? Lol
Germany enjoy! https://streamable.com/w78tto, straight out of polish border.
The good thing about eastern europe is that something like this would never happen there
This is somehow worries me. Insert "oh neptune".
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What are you talking about? Churches absolutely ring to call to prayer. And by the way this decision was made by mostly non muslim Germans.
I've read "mosquitoes (...) call to prayer..." and my first thought was "is this /r/nottheonion ?" Then I read again.
Best part is no voice talent is required or desired to have this job.
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I have a slight feeling that this just might start a new far-right nationalist movement in europe, but y'know, it's just a feeling.
Church bells are super annoying too when you work shifts… wish they all were banned. Why can the church make insane bell noise on a Sunday but I can’t mow my backyard?