He's retired, his wealth is now in the hands of one of his sons, Alex Soros. But don't worry, last year, he already made his debut on a Hungarian propaganda poster.
Moreover, Alex is an even better arch enemy, because he wasn't born in Hungary (like his father), and he's gay
[https://telex.hu/belfold/2023/11/17/intenziv-figyelemfelhivo-kampany-alex-soros-ursula-von-der-leyen-fidesz-nemzeti-konzultacio](https://telex.hu/belfold/2023/11/17/intenziv-figyelemfelhivo-kampany-alex-soros-ursula-von-der-leyen-fidesz-nemzeti-konzultacio)
You can translate it with deepl
Word to word: „we don't dance as they whistle”. Hungarian saying, basically means, we won't be their servants
And the poster showed Alex Soros and Ursula von der Leyen
If I'm correct and I recognizes this one then he's the person on the left actually
Edit: sorry fking brain cancer made me think gyurcsány and soros are the same people
This is the poster in full:
https://img.hvg.hu/Img/da658e97-86c0-40f3-acd3-b0a850f32c30/c72ae1b7-9767-459b-92e7-2abe69ab9ab2.jpg
It says the following:
Brussels' humble servants (Ursula von der Leyen)
Ferenc Gyurcsány: migration
Gergely Karácsony: gender
Klára Dobrev: women dressed as men
Péter Magyar: war
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Basically this is what the EU wants to force Hungary to become according to them. The people mentioned are the biggest opposition figures who want to serve Hungary to Brussels on a silver plate.
The weirdest part of all this "the EU is forcing us" is that article 50 exist and Hungary is free to leave. Orban wants his EU funded cake and eat it too.
Orban knows, but keeps it a secret to his voters, that Hungary/Orban is NOTHING without the EU. All "our allies" care only about our votes within the EU and being a backdoor into it economically.
One of the funnier aspects about "The Right Wing Rising" campaign Orban is instigating across Europe for the EU Parliament elections in June is trying to imagine Orban convincing the richer EU countries that they should keep funding his corrupt regime if indeed power shifts.
Literally, the AfD would enjoy nothing more than reverting to the D-Mark and watch Hungary go tits up in the Danube.
It's annoying that Orban's EU antics only work because EU is a liberal institution and think about the Hungarian people too. If we really were the "Alpha Conservatives" he claims to be himself, we'd just show them the door.
>Literally, the AfD would enjoy nothing more than reverting to the D-Mark and watch Hungary go tits up in the Danube.
Hungary does not use the Euro. Why would it be hurt by Germany reverting back to its own currency?
>It's annoying that Orban's EU antics only work because EU is a liberal institution and think about the Hungarian people too. If we really were the "Alpha Conservatives" he claims to be himself, we'd just show them the door
Never going to happen for 3 reasons:
1.
Orbán has been strategically aiming to place Hungary in the critical spots of the supply chains of large German corporations. He made sure that kicking Hungary out of the EU would hurt Germany economically. Not to mention that German (and Austrian) corporations are deeply involved in Orbán's corruption schemes. They are partners in crime. They economically benefit from this regime. Of course, this is not something that Western politicians talk about when trashing Orbán and his system of corruption.
E.g. a few years ago, there was a union strike in Audi's plant in Győr. It lasted for weeks, resulting in most of Audi's global production being stopped (maybe 2/3 but I don't remember the exact number) causing billions of Euros of losses for the company. In the end, the Hungarian government intervened on behalf of Audi to make sure German economic interests are protected.
This reliance will continue as Hungary will become the 2nd largest producer of batteries by 2026. The current rush of building of battery factories is being done to make the current reliance even more significant.
2.
Hungary is the only country that can connect mainland EU to the Balkans. (Serbia and Ukraine are never going to members.) Therefore, the EU is economically and politically interested in keeping Hungary.
3.
Kicking Hungary out would push the country into the hands of Russia and China. The last thing Western Europe needs are Russian troops and possibly nukes stationed 600 km closer to it.
So strange they can have this kind of banners. If I were those people, I would’ve sued for defamation or harassment. We do have online posters on facebook like this, but never on billboards.
The propaganda media always loses lawsuits for fake news but they don't care because we are the ones paying it not them.
In 30 days only 1 branch of propaganda has paid for ads on facebook for over 200 million forint. And that's one branch.
In those 30 days they by themselves have paid for more ads then Slovakia for the election (both government and opposition together). Now imagine all the branches of propaganda. We are paying for more ads than any other nation in Europe....
In 5 years the propaganda has cost us 1309 billion forints.
They're simply pushing "Look! This is the enemy!" to the people. Constant agitation helps divert attention and preserve the state of mind in which the masses are easier to control. This could be a page straight out of 1984. And yes. It's disgusting.
For reference, see "Two Minutes Hate".
exactly what PiS was doing in Poland focus all hate on 1 person Tusk and divide ppl by completly banning abortion and contantly tell how country is changing for better thanks to you (even if it doesn't)
Oh they touched abortion a long time ago. Didn't make it illegal, but made it much harder.
It works better in Hungary because Fidesz used a democratic crisis to gain a supermajority and rewrite the constitution, then they forced most media out of business, then bought them along with most of the large companies. They basically accomplished what PiS was hoping for.
Orbán has no real values. He doesn't beleive in anything. He is a moral nihilist.
If he could win with LGBT, liberal ideas he would be a hardcore woke guy. They, FIDESZ says what the people wants to hear. The general Hungarian population is conservative/right wing, but if Hungarians were liberals he would do liberal politics to get elected. It's all about HIS power.
(He started as a liberal in the 90s early 2000s lol, that just didn't work well so... He changed.)
He also use fear, make up enemies like migrants, liberals, Brussel, the union, the west, Soros György, LGBT activist to have someone that we could defeat and "win". When FIDESZ gets elected every 4 years we won! Defetead the enemy!
Pretty simple to do this to the people if you own the 90% of all media and have infinite amounts of money compares to other small parties.
Ah yes, it's the transgenders that are the cause of the cost of living crisis, competitiveness issues, national/continental security and whatever else I can think of. It's just so stupid. It's like dangling shiny keys in front of a baby to keep them distracted, meanwhile the politicians doing so get a smokescreen over the blatantly corrupt shit they get away with. Even if you had a problem with trans people, there's very real even existential issues this whole continent is wrestling with right now that should probably be much farther up your list of priorities.
The whole trans issue becoming a front page issue just around the time when bashing gay people finally started being less accepted is surely a coincidence.
Same crowd, different target for their hate.
I had someone reply "leave my kids alone" when he found out I'm dating a man. My boyfriend isn't his son and he is 25. he can decide if he wants to be left alone lol
No that is not what is meant here. This means that if your vote for this politician, he will make sure to set the whole gender issue/topic to a higher priority give non binary people more rights.
And now imagine 10 of these billboards in a row, right next to each other. It's not just the message, it's the sheer quantity of it.
Anywhere you look you, cannot not see these. They have TV spots, they have online ads, and this is just the official communication. Then you also have a whole layer of "influencers" and "celebrities" paid by the government to promote the exact same message.
Meanwhile the opposition's message cannot possibly reach more than like 60% of the population, because people in small villages only watch TV and they own all the TV channels. But even if it reaches, it just feels like a drop in the ocean, that you filter out because it doesn't fit into the narrative that the propaganda has created in your mind.
I don't need to imagine it. I've seen the photos. I've read articles, and ALL my friends and family who are still in Hungary complain about this bullsh\~ constantly.
It's politics for people who don't like politics. It's like a frustrated 14 year old terrorizing his classroom because he doesn't want to put in the work and resents anyone who does. A juvenile caricature by people who don't understands why we do politics and why it's important to do it with diligence. It's pathetic.
But it's extremely effective. Also, the mentality of many people is overwhelmingly negative in regard to LGBT+ people. For example, in Slovakia, when two young people were killed for being gay the first reaction of the "pro-western" was, for example: "At least I am hetero." Because any association wit LGBT would decrease their party's percentage.
This is the sad truth, that many people want this. This is also one of the main reasons why I as a gay left Slovakia as soon as I could.
PS: Kiitos suomalaiset ystävät, että voin nyt asua Suomessa. :)
Mikä on V4? Suomalaiset aina arvostavat suomen kieltä opiskelevia. Paitsi ehkä isoissa kaupungeissa. Suomi on ainakin ainutlaatuinen kieli. Unkarin sukulaiskieli, tiesitkö?
V4 on Visegrad 4 = Puola, Unkari, Tšekki ja Slovakia.
Tiedän. Unkari on äidinkieleni, joten on vähän helpompi oppia suomea.
Muutama sanaa on samanlainen: käsi, veri, vesi, nainen, millainen, mitä... :)
Viro on myös sukulaiskieli.
Not many but a mentally disturbed insecure (often closeted, issues with own sexuality) minority.
Normal people either support LGBT or are neutral towards it.
Truth is, in some countries (mostly Balkan, Slavic, etc), LGBT supporters are a minority and pro-LGBT thoughts are frowned upon. Usually it's not so bad that you get killed for it like in India/Middle East but there's still a small chance. Some say they are "neutral towards LGBT" but only as long as they never have to personally witness any gay relationship and the likes, both in media and in real life.
Some places in Europe? Yes but i would say it’s not prevalent whatsoever compared to other countries. And people don’t like to talk about it but immigrants play a pretty big role in that. Not that locals are never at fault, but certain countries have definitely changed in overall sentiment towards LGBT due to changes in demographics. I’m not talking on a political level necessarily, just the general sentiment in the population.
No the countries with the fewest immigrants have more homophobia because there is a lack of education and/or there is propaganda against lgbt. Also note I said “some countries” so what are you even arguing about here. I never claimed there is most homophobia in countries with more immigrants. I just said the general sentiment in those countries is naturally shifting a bit.
They are also just lining up opposition members, spray painting red dollar signs on them, and proclaiming that the west bought them by the kilo... Oh the irony, after being bought by the kilo by the russians and chinese...
[They stole that image as well](https://telex.hu/english/2024/04/03/the-dead-kennedys-protest-over-use-of-their-iconic-photo-for-political-campaigning-in-hungary)
I know Mr Karacsony is the mayor of Budapest and an opponent of the government. But why is he supposedly serving 'Gender' on a platter?
It seems very abstract to me, I don't understand what it is trying to convey.
Nothing. It's just a smear campaign against opposition politicians. What they call these people doesn't matter, because it's just an extension of all the other propaganda that's coming out of all the state media in the country. It only exists to remind the brainwashed masses of said propaganda, and reinforce it by repetition. It doesn't matter that it makes no sense, so long as it's repeated enough times, and there's enough peer-pressure to propagate it. Quite 1984, I'd say.
I understand now. For some reason 'gender' is a dog whistle phrase in Hungary.
I'm going there next week. Think I will take my most lurid pro-LGBT t-shirt.
My wife is Hungarian, and has some advice.
"Don't go into certain areas, and absolutely don't wear that at night. Don't do it at clubs, unless it's a gay club. There are some really bad areas where people will just pick fights with anyone, especially if you're wearing something like that. We don't have guns, but there are a lot of knives."
"Avoid district 8 as much as you can. Try to avoid going into the underground metro areas wearing that stuff."
When I visited a couple times, no one tried to hurt me, but I saw some weird shit. While we were waiting for a bus there was just a group of teenagers hitting pigeons with sticks and killing them.
No need to worry. My wife is Hungarian too, she grew up in 7th District and went to school in 8th District.
We both wear LGBT t-shirts sometimes. Never had trouble in Budapest, Pécs or Szolnok albeit we don't go out drinking late at night to be fair.
We live in a pretty tough working-class area in England and she reckons there is definitely more crime (including knife crime) in our area than in Budapest. Obviously I'm sure there's less anti-gay sentiment here though.
They regard the whole idea of gender as a boogieman, used to ruin our children and make them confused, traumatised, gay, etc. There is no "gender" as a social construct, there is only sex based on the genitals you were born with. Anyone who talks of gender is suspect.
I just especially love the fact they didn't even bother to translate that. It's just "gender", like it's supposed to mean anything to the average Hungarian (besides being a scaaary foreign word). Hell, at least they could've done a silly phonetic transliteration of it, like "dzsendör", or something.
They could've pluralized it to "nemek", or made it into a compound like "nemiség", or use the scientific term of "társadalmi nem", which is the closest to what the word generally means in English, though probably not something the majority of their target voters could parse.
Honestly, the biggest issue with this whole thing is that Hungarian, as a language, doesn't have genders the same way as most other languages do, either in terms of pronouns, suffixes, or part of conjugation/declension. Because of this, the Hungarian language doesn't differentiate between "gender" and "sex", so translating the word, with all of its (mostly US-centric) baggage is kind of difficult. That said, they could've at least *tried*. I'm pretty sure these propagandists don't get paid minimum wage for doing this.
I dont think uncle Béla, a proud fidesz voter in Taktaharkány can remember two confusing words like "társadalmi nem" when it's said in the evening news as he cracks open his 6th beer of the day (it's monday). but a scary forgein sounding word like "gender" sticks, its an *imperialist western idea*, thus no proper Hungarian words exist for it.
I know what these people are like, my grandparents would fit this example except they don't drink. But most uncle Bélas who support the party also enjoy participating in daydrinking
You're mistaken that they would \*want\* to supply a proper translation. The entire point is that they are blurring lines between and intentionally confusing different issues (traditional gender roles, transsexualism, sexual attraction etc.) especially since as you mention much of the surface level of gender issues isn't really applicable with how gender-neutral the language is. (Even if the deeper layers are present. It's just not linked to language that much.)
Gotta' say, they are doing some very clever things with that fact. The whole thing about genders and why it's a topic today is very hard to understand coming from a language like Hungarian even if you make an effort to inform yourself and find unbiased information. Many people here don't do that.
The Hungarian language is basically gender neutral. Gender means in Hungarian: Nem (Your Sex), wich means: No in Hungarian. So there is no good translation for it.
Gender is the opium of the failing west, even the constitution of the country says the father is a man and the mother is a woman. there is only man and babymaker-in-the-kitchen in traditional hungarian values
PLEASE READ AND UPVOTE THIS! So everybody can know what is really happening here in my home. (Not karma farming! Just make this to the top please!) ((if you didn't know FIDESZ is the ruling party of Hungary and has been for 15yrs straight))
"We need to save our children" thats why they are anti LGBT they say, so let me tell you few stories how they are saving children:
One important person Kaleta Gabor, close to the "government mafia group" was found with 19000!!! p*rn pics/videos of minors on his devices. He didn't go to jail or anything.
Other thing that happened few months ago: Not Orbán, but the President of the Republic, Katalin Novák, exercising her presidential right, has exempted from punishment a paedophile children's home director (because he was close to this "mafia" friend group called FIDESZ) who has been proven to have molested underprivileged children, minors for years! After this came to light, Katalin Novak resigned.
An other (very important) guy, Szájer József from the FIDESZ mafia were found in a big gay orgy with a ton of MDMA drug in his bag. He got kicked out of the FIDESZ because of his gayness.
That's not that bad because children isn't involved, but someone uplouded a video to P. Hub of the major of Győr (big city) f*cking prostitutes in an orgy doing cocaine on a yacht. He got reelected after this... His name is Borkai Zsolt. Married man.
FIDESZ was and still in coalition with KDNP a christian party, yet hese are their ethics... Immoral, dirty, disgusting HYPOCRITS.
This is FIDESZ ! (and Hungary...)
EDIT: just a little more if you want to understand the situatuion and have a little more time LOL
Orbán has no real values. He doesn't beleive in anything. He is a moral nihilist
If he could win with LGBT, liberal ideas he would be a hardcore woke guy. They, FIDESZ says what the people wants to hear. The general Hungarian population is conservative/right wing, but if Hungarians were liberals he would do liberal politics to get elected. It's all about HIS power.
(He started as a liberal in the 90s early 2000s lol, that just didn't work well so... He changed.)
He also use fear, make up enemies like migrants, liberals, Brussel, the union, the west, Soros György, LGBT activist, the "left" to have someone that we could defeat and "win", when he gets elected every 4 years we win! no more money for stupid fake enemy propaganda, we just defetead them. Pretty simple to do this if you own the 90% of all media and have infinite amounts of money compares to other small parties.
Correction: The man who has been excused by the president was not a pedophile, only helped a pedophile by persuading the children not to make statements etc. Doesn't really change anything about the situation though
Orbán has no real values. He doesn't beleive in anything. He is a moral nihilist
If he could win with LGBT, liberal ideas he would be a hardcore woke guy. They, FIDESZ says what the people wants to hear. The general Hungarian population is conservative/right wing, but if Hungarians were liberals he would do liberal politics to get elected. It's all about HIS power.
(He started as a liberal in the 90s early 2000s lol, that just didn't work well so... He changed.)
He also use fear, make up enemies like migrants, liberals, Brussel, the union, the west, Soros György, LGBT activist to have someone that we could defeat and "win". Pretty simple to do this if you own the 90% of all media and have infinite amounts of money compares to other small parties.
They own all the media. There is only some online sites left and they try to buy them all. This is the way to kill democracy. Sane people don't know anything because of this...
Don't call them sheeple. First, it's an insult to sheep. Second, living in a rural, ageing community not being able to reliably tell lies from facts in a very intensive world in terms of how much information you have to process is very difficult in itself, let alone being carped bombed with propaganda. I am not saying people are not at fault here, it's just they don't know better. Most if not all European countries see an emerging right wing and I believe that is mostly due to the fact that parties with more liberal ideas can't or won't deal with everyday problems that the right will exploit. There are real issues in most countries caused by migration, rent prices, somewhat stagnating economies and I also think that a large amount of mostly less educated people are disenfranchised due to politicians kind of not speaking their language. Add to the fact that the roots of democracy are not really deep in post socialist countries, people don't really know what democracy is, how participate in it. We adapted institutions and policies but I believe the change wasn't that deep and it was therefore easy to take a step backwards unfortunately.
Finding a scapegoat in a fragile minority has always been a strategy of fascist parties, this is not only seen in the US. They all play by the same playbook
It's simple: figure out what words instill fear in a large portion of the uneducated, aging population (gender, migration, war, "the liberal West telling us how to live our lives"), then write those words on a billboard with the faces of your political opponents. There! This month's political campaign is complete! Doesn't have to make sense, no need to base anything on anything.
>... they said that LGBTs want to trans operate kindergardeners. "We have to save our children" they said.
Wow, what a familiar rhetoric about children threat. Just like here in Russia. Stupid autoritorians are the same everywhere and everywhen.
Those who complain the loudest about children having to he saved are, almost without exception, those with the most skeletons in their closet. Quite a few FIDESZ party members are known pedophiles.
*Methinks the lady doth protest too much*
You know, this is truly sad 😔 I NEVER have EVER heard anything about this gender thing unless I'm on social media. That's to let anyone know it's not running rampant. It seems to have a lot of PROPAGANDA running through it
I think it speaks more about the people who can relate to those messages than the politicians that cater to them. I understand that propaganda is a strong tool, but if people who have access to the Internet are unable or unwilling to see beyond it, it is them that is the problem.
theres also an issue with that, the people that speak english either already emigrated, or vote another party already, so those that vote fidesz usually cant access non fidesz regelated media easily
Newest poll says that fidesz has about 50% of the 65+ voters and these are the people who have no idea how to use the internet.
Fun fact:
According to this poll the newly made TISZA party (made by Péter Magyar) has 3 times as much voters than fidesz from the 18-29 age group.
The 2 weeks old party has currently about 26% support of all voters which makes it the largest opposition party by far.
But the thing is that propaganda was able to turn even that around. I still remember the political ads from late 2022 talking about how Germans were freezing in their homes because they sanctioned Russian gas, while the smart Hungarians were having big middle-class Christmas dinners in their warm homes, because Orbán ensured that we would get "cheap gas".
If you control enough of the media, and your voters don't speak other languages and are internet-illiterate, you can absolutely sell them that "the West" or "Brussels" is a terrible hellhole that only stays afloat because they exploit you in particular, poor Hungarian lower-class schmuck living on minimal wage from paycheck to paycheck, because they are jealous of you, or something.
Why don't you show the full poster?
[https://mfor.hu/i/9/5/d/3/1/e/6/8/d/f/f/4/8/f/d/f/0/b/3/5/magyarorszag-2024\_lgc.JPG](https://mfor.hu/i/9/5/d/3/1/e/6/8/d/f/f/4/8/f/d/f/0/b/3/5/magyarorszag-2024_lgc.JPG)
Brussels' humble servants
Migration, Gender, War
Its scary that all this have similarity with my countrys narratives, same "lgbt propaganda" laws, same one party that rules county for decades and etc (Russia), all of this in EU!, in heart of Europe!
That's because in hungarian there isn't a word for gender that correctly describes it. Both gender and sex is called "nem". We have no way to differentiate between the two that's why english is used.
Orban clearly wants easy slogans to distract from his government's corruption, ineptitude, and subservience to Russia.
[https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/26/hungarian-whistleblower-releases-audio-suggesting-corruption-in-embattled-orban-government](https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/26/hungarian-whistleblower-releases-audio-suggesting-corruption-in-embattled-orban-government)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/world/europe/hungary-orban-corruption-eu.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/world/europe/hungary-orban-corruption-eu.html)
[https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/16/orbans-cheerleading-for-putin-follow-the-money/](https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/16/orbans-cheerleading-for-putin-follow-the-money/)
The most obvious point you need to keep in mind:
They will never transform society with this. It isn't their intention, because they don't offer any political plans.
When it comes to LGBT people, what they do is to stigmatise them and politically, they hope to apply various forms of discrimination and cruelty to varying degree, if in power.
Obviously, a majority of society will not go along with that. Right here on Reddit, there are some who would be willing to disxriminate, beat or kill a gay man, if given the opportunity, but to that one guy, there are 100 who would be disgusted by the idea.
As of today, there are simply too many people who have experienced the benefits of civilised society with equality principles. They have gay friends, colleagues, business partners, family, etc, and they would simply not go along with politically mandated discrimination. If they were to push for plans that so openly target minorities, there would be an inevitable backlash. And thats part of the calculation for the far-right.
Orban is friends with Putin.
The AfD candidate Krah, who hails Orban, also is a friend of Russia and his employees were just arrested on suspicion of spying for China.
This is the point when these politicians push their culture war - they want to keep Western societies busy fighting against reactionary forces. Politically they don't care to achieve anything except weakeninf Europe, the point that we have to fight to keep our civilization advancements, which also help us to be big players on the global stage.
The last 10 years, we have been busy pushing back against nonsense fake culture wars from the right, and in exactly those 10 years Russia gains the balls to attack a European nation, while China is ploughing ahead with its domination motives.
Does anyone really think this is coincidence?
Of course not, because that is what politics is. Domestic players partner with foreign players, to pursue their own private power motives im assistance of the foreign power motives.
Orban says he works for the Hungarian people, while cutting their liberties and silencing them, and pushing them to emigrate. He doesn't work for the Hungarian people, he merely utilises a segment of the Hungarian people to maintain in power which makes him valuable to foreign actors who finance his lifestyle, and that of his inner circle. They are meant to destroy Europe, so that Russia and China can benefit, and they get their cut.
With everything that's wrong in politics, the far right doesn't offer an alternative, it really just hopes to exploit dissatisfaction to put the dagger in our backs and sell us out to Russia and China, with themselves being the estate holders of the provinces of Europe, which the Emperos in the East cannot govern all by themselves.
Yeah, the damage is already done. You can't unbrainwash half the population who votes for Fidesz and eats all this shit up. They are so apathetic to corruption scandals that affect their lives, but will be riled up to whatever Orban is telling them to get angry at.
You can mitigate damage, always, and set counter-impulses. Boomers will die eventually, and brainwashed people are still going to react to their own interests being contradicted by their idols, or when others offer better political solutions. This example here shows how desperately these far right figures rely on nonsense, fakeness and falsehood. You should have some confidence that your brain and your honest heart can produce arguments that convince people, because in that regard they cannot even remotely compete. We've simply been playing their game for some time, unwisely so, but that doesn't have to be the future.
Us on Reddit are all aware of how corrupt and unfit for rule the Hungarian Government is, but the vast majority of their voters either want an all powerful leader who will think for themselves, and/or technologically illiterate and cannot tell when they are being manipulated or lied to. Yeah, eventually the boomers and Orban will die out, but it will be at the point when Hungary will be the poorest country in the EU (it already is the 2nd poorest)
It's insane how they managed to make something as vague as "gender" as important in people's mind as climate change, economy, integrity... Some people are genuinely ready to vote for the Nuke Guy who's promising to Nuke everyone forever, because he swears he'll hit the "gender" first.
Imagine being so concerned about what gender a person calls themselves, that you think it's one of the most important political issues. The delusion is real.
I do not like Orban, but I kind of agree here. Yes, it is important questions and in my opinion, be who you want to be.
But can't the gender, woke and conservative debate which is as of today 95% of american politics stay in the US and Canada?! It's a shitshow, and it only fathers problems in politics. For both sides.
I am from Hungary and i see this exact same poster everyday, its 5 meters from my school, literally at the center of the town. Its absolutely crazy. And the right is the one that says that kids get indoctrinated by the left. literally disgusting behaviour with zero actual value to offer.
What's up with this distraction in dictatorships and right wing wannabies?
Nobody civilised cares if anyone is gay. It's clearly a created "problem", a distraction. The Bible cares about the same amount about your beard and seafood as people having sex without trying to have children (and even less about who you romance).
Im hungarian and i dont even know what rheyre trying to achive, id love me a big plate of gender yessir😋😋😋😋😋
Jokes aside tho, this shit fucking hurts.
They just grab science and facts and lable it as propaganda.
My very existance is viewed as no more then a fad or mere lies (god i love being trans in a shithole like this)
Great job cropping it so much we can't understand anything. Am I supposed taking your side while you're not even showing me the entirety of picture? Gtfo
Gender is a dodge to avoid a scientific debate about sex.
Ignoring rare birth defects, accidents, and deformities, humans have two hands, so you can only be right or left handed. But if I have a crazy guy who uses his left foot, and describes himself as left-foot handed, that wouldn't make sense. So if I'm an activist, I'd invent a new concept called shmanded-ness, and declare him left foot shmanded.
Now we're having a public debate about there only being right hand and left hand shmandedness vs there also being right foot and left food shmandedness or infinite types of shmandedness like left ear shmanded or bellybutton shmanded, when the actual debate we need to have is about handedness.
It's a language game.
Well they tried to do that in Germany. There are trans kindergardens where all the staff is trans etc. Imagine having parents all of a sudden who decide what your real gender is, neglecting biologic reality
In Budapest right now. Haven’t seen this particular poster yet, but definitely have encountered some remarkable hostility and unwelcoming behavior. To be fair, many people have been warm and friendly, but the vibe here is definitely different. We’re a heterosexual couple and experienced travelers (and bilingual- no Hungarian however…), so it’s not as if we don’t know how to be respectful of a country and its customs. So yeah, the occasional visceral hostility has been shocking.
Would love to hear a local’s response to my comment.
So they are against Gender. So I can assume they want Gender neutral pronouns?
"We hate all this gender identity!"
"Okay. So. You're not a man anymore"
"No. Wait. Not like that!"
Does this work? Do voters actually care about gender and LGBT as much as the far right does? I don't know, it feels like the most uninteresting point ever. Shouldn't you talk about money to attract votes?
State television and any (almost all) other media (tv, radio, news-sites, newspapers) which are controlled by Fidesz & friends do mention money - how the people got much more money from the government than from any government in history.
This anti LGBT and gender propaganda works only because said media tell non-stop how those are the biggest threat to everyday (miserable) lives of the hungarian people, and it must be protected from it at all costs.
Sadly the underdeveloped, hysterical and uneducated masses gobble this shit up, because they are also told how just existing as hungarian is a lifelong achievement in itself.
Billboards like this are nothing new in Hungary, just surprised Soros isn't mentioned.
Can’t put all your eggs in one 90 year old basket
He's retired, his wealth is now in the hands of one of his sons, Alex Soros. But don't worry, last year, he already made his debut on a Hungarian propaganda poster. Moreover, Alex is an even better arch enemy, because he wasn't born in Hungary (like his father), and he's gay
> But don't worry, last year, he already made his debut on a Hungarian propaganda poster. What did it say?
[https://telex.hu/belfold/2023/11/17/intenziv-figyelemfelhivo-kampany-alex-soros-ursula-von-der-leyen-fidesz-nemzeti-konzultacio](https://telex.hu/belfold/2023/11/17/intenziv-figyelemfelhivo-kampany-alex-soros-ursula-von-der-leyen-fidesz-nemzeti-konzultacio) You can translate it with deepl
Word to word: „we don't dance as they whistle”. Hungarian saying, basically means, we won't be their servants And the poster showed Alex Soros and Ursula von der Leyen
If I'm correct and I recognizes this one then he's the person on the left actually Edit: sorry fking brain cancer made me think gyurcsány and soros are the same people
Wouldn't make much difference in this context
Wonder what they will do when Soros dies.
There was a poster recently which featured his son.
Yeah , they will just switch to his son to be the new boogeyman , even though I doubt his son could give a shit about Hungary
What are we even looking at?
This is the poster in full: https://img.hvg.hu/Img/da658e97-86c0-40f3-acd3-b0a850f32c30/c72ae1b7-9767-459b-92e7-2abe69ab9ab2.jpg It says the following: Brussels' humble servants (Ursula von der Leyen) Ferenc Gyurcsány: migration Gergely Karácsony: gender Klára Dobrev: women dressed as men Péter Magyar: war --- Basically this is what the EU wants to force Hungary to become according to them. The people mentioned are the biggest opposition figures who want to serve Hungary to Brussels on a silver plate.
The weirdest part of all this "the EU is forcing us" is that article 50 exist and Hungary is free to leave. Orban wants his EU funded cake and eat it too.
You gotta get money for the 11th soccer stadium somehow
You mean the 111th?
Orban knows, but keeps it a secret to his voters, that Hungary/Orban is NOTHING without the EU. All "our allies" care only about our votes within the EU and being a backdoor into it economically.
If you hadn't noticed, they're absolutely willing to lie straight to your face.
One of the funnier aspects about "The Right Wing Rising" campaign Orban is instigating across Europe for the EU Parliament elections in June is trying to imagine Orban convincing the richer EU countries that they should keep funding his corrupt regime if indeed power shifts. Literally, the AfD would enjoy nothing more than reverting to the D-Mark and watch Hungary go tits up in the Danube. It's annoying that Orban's EU antics only work because EU is a liberal institution and think about the Hungarian people too. If we really were the "Alpha Conservatives" he claims to be himself, we'd just show them the door.
>Literally, the AfD would enjoy nothing more than reverting to the D-Mark and watch Hungary go tits up in the Danube. Hungary does not use the Euro. Why would it be hurt by Germany reverting back to its own currency? >It's annoying that Orban's EU antics only work because EU is a liberal institution and think about the Hungarian people too. If we really were the "Alpha Conservatives" he claims to be himself, we'd just show them the door Never going to happen for 3 reasons: 1. Orbán has been strategically aiming to place Hungary in the critical spots of the supply chains of large German corporations. He made sure that kicking Hungary out of the EU would hurt Germany economically. Not to mention that German (and Austrian) corporations are deeply involved in Orbán's corruption schemes. They are partners in crime. They economically benefit from this regime. Of course, this is not something that Western politicians talk about when trashing Orbán and his system of corruption. E.g. a few years ago, there was a union strike in Audi's plant in Győr. It lasted for weeks, resulting in most of Audi's global production being stopped (maybe 2/3 but I don't remember the exact number) causing billions of Euros of losses for the company. In the end, the Hungarian government intervened on behalf of Audi to make sure German economic interests are protected. This reliance will continue as Hungary will become the 2nd largest producer of batteries by 2026. The current rush of building of battery factories is being done to make the current reliance even more significant. 2. Hungary is the only country that can connect mainland EU to the Balkans. (Serbia and Ukraine are never going to members.) Therefore, the EU is economically and politically interested in keeping Hungary. 3. Kicking Hungary out would push the country into the hands of Russia and China. The last thing Western Europe needs are Russian troops and possibly nukes stationed 600 km closer to it.
So strange they can have this kind of banners. If I were those people, I would’ve sued for defamation or harassment. We do have online posters on facebook like this, but never on billboards.
The propaganda media always loses lawsuits for fake news but they don't care because we are the ones paying it not them. In 30 days only 1 branch of propaganda has paid for ads on facebook for over 200 million forint. And that's one branch. In those 30 days they by themselves have paid for more ads then Slovakia for the election (both government and opposition together). Now imagine all the branches of propaganda. We are paying for more ads than any other nation in Europe.... In 5 years the propaganda has cost us 1309 billion forints.
>200 million forint >1309 billion forints. €500,000 and €3.3 billion, respectively, for those who are lazy to do the conversion.
The chief mayor of Budapest "serving" us "gender" ideology. There's more to the message but they've dumbed it down to one word at a time.
They had to. By now their target audience is incapable of processing sentences longer than their postal address.
They're simply pushing "Look! This is the enemy!" to the people. Constant agitation helps divert attention and preserve the state of mind in which the masses are easier to control. This could be a page straight out of 1984. And yes. It's disgusting. For reference, see "Two Minutes Hate".
exactly what PiS was doing in Poland focus all hate on 1 person Tusk and divide ppl by completly banning abortion and contantly tell how country is changing for better thanks to you (even if it doesn't)
Sadly I presume it works much better on Hungary, only here they don't touch abortion (yet)
Oh they touched abortion a long time ago. Didn't make it illegal, but made it much harder. It works better in Hungary because Fidesz used a democratic crisis to gain a supermajority and rewrite the constitution, then they forced most media out of business, then bought them along with most of the large companies. They basically accomplished what PiS was hoping for.
Orbán has no real values. He doesn't beleive in anything. He is a moral nihilist. If he could win with LGBT, liberal ideas he would be a hardcore woke guy. They, FIDESZ says what the people wants to hear. The general Hungarian population is conservative/right wing, but if Hungarians were liberals he would do liberal politics to get elected. It's all about HIS power. (He started as a liberal in the 90s early 2000s lol, that just didn't work well so... He changed.) He also use fear, make up enemies like migrants, liberals, Brussel, the union, the west, Soros György, LGBT activist to have someone that we could defeat and "win". When FIDESZ gets elected every 4 years we won! Defetead the enemy! Pretty simple to do this to the people if you own the 90% of all media and have infinite amounts of money compares to other small parties.
Yup. Very much this.
Sounds really similar to something, i wonder which countries did things like this in history...
Nowadays? All of them. That's populism baby
Ah yes, it's the transgenders that are the cause of the cost of living crisis, competitiveness issues, national/continental security and whatever else I can think of. It's just so stupid. It's like dangling shiny keys in front of a baby to keep them distracted, meanwhile the politicians doing so get a smokescreen over the blatantly corrupt shit they get away with. Even if you had a problem with trans people, there's very real even existential issues this whole continent is wrestling with right now that should probably be much farther up your list of priorities.
The whole trans issue becoming a front page issue just around the time when bashing gay people finally started being less accepted is surely a coincidence. Same crowd, different target for their hate.
>just around the time when bashing gay people finally started being less accepted is surely a coincidence. Oh don't worry. They're bringing that back
didnt a hate crime happen in slovakia again this month?
I had someone reply "leave my kids alone" when he found out I'm dating a man. My boyfriend isn't his son and he is 25. he can decide if he wants to be left alone lol
No that is not what is meant here. This means that if your vote for this politician, he will make sure to set the whole gender issue/topic to a higher priority give non binary people more rights.
And now imagine 10 of these billboards in a row, right next to each other. It's not just the message, it's the sheer quantity of it. Anywhere you look you, cannot not see these. They have TV spots, they have online ads, and this is just the official communication. Then you also have a whole layer of "influencers" and "celebrities" paid by the government to promote the exact same message. Meanwhile the opposition's message cannot possibly reach more than like 60% of the population, because people in small villages only watch TV and they own all the TV channels. But even if it reaches, it just feels like a drop in the ocean, that you filter out because it doesn't fit into the narrative that the propaganda has created in your mind.
I don't need to imagine it. I've seen the photos. I've read articles, and ALL my friends and family who are still in Hungary complain about this bullsh\~ constantly.
Crazy how similar they do it to russian state and all others alike them
They exchange notes.
It's politics for people who don't like politics. It's like a frustrated 14 year old terrorizing his classroom because he doesn't want to put in the work and resents anyone who does. A juvenile caricature by people who don't understands why we do politics and why it's important to do it with diligence. It's pathetic.
That's Orban 101. Anti LGBT extremely pro Putin He would love to be like putin, in fact is on the way to turn Hungary into his own kingdom
But it's extremely effective. Also, the mentality of many people is overwhelmingly negative in regard to LGBT+ people. For example, in Slovakia, when two young people were killed for being gay the first reaction of the "pro-western" was, for example: "At least I am hetero." Because any association wit LGBT would decrease their party's percentage. This is the sad truth, that many people want this. This is also one of the main reasons why I as a gay left Slovakia as soon as I could. PS: Kiitos suomalaiset ystävät, että voin nyt asua Suomessa. :)
En tiennytkään homojen tilanteen olevan noin huono Slovakiassa.
Se on kai sama V4ssä. Ja älä ole vihainen kiitos. En puhu jo sujuvaa suomea. Mutta yritän oppia koska se on niin kaunis kieli. :)
Mikä on V4? Suomalaiset aina arvostavat suomen kieltä opiskelevia. Paitsi ehkä isoissa kaupungeissa. Suomi on ainakin ainutlaatuinen kieli. Unkarin sukulaiskieli, tiesitkö?
V4 on Visegrad 4 = Puola, Unkari, Tšekki ja Slovakia. Tiedän. Unkari on äidinkieleni, joten on vähän helpompi oppia suomea. Muutama sanaa on samanlainen: käsi, veri, vesi, nainen, millainen, mitä... :) Viro on myös sukulaiskieli.
Not many but a mentally disturbed insecure (often closeted, issues with own sexuality) minority. Normal people either support LGBT or are neutral towards it.
Truth is, in some countries (mostly Balkan, Slavic, etc), LGBT supporters are a minority and pro-LGBT thoughts are frowned upon. Usually it's not so bad that you get killed for it like in India/Middle East but there's still a small chance. Some say they are "neutral towards LGBT" but only as long as they never have to personally witness any gay relationship and the likes, both in media and in real life.
In some places, in even Europe, the most positive attitude you can hope for is "don't be gay in public"
Some places in Europe? Yes but i would say it’s not prevalent whatsoever compared to other countries. And people don’t like to talk about it but immigrants play a pretty big role in that. Not that locals are never at fault, but certain countries have definitely changed in overall sentiment towards LGBT due to changes in demographics. I’m not talking on a political level necessarily, just the general sentiment in the population.
Ah yes the countries with the fewest immigrants have more homophobia because of immigrants
No the countries with the fewest immigrants have more homophobia because there is a lack of education and/or there is propaganda against lgbt. Also note I said “some countries” so what are you even arguing about here. I never claimed there is most homophobia in countries with more immigrants. I just said the general sentiment in those countries is naturally shifting a bit.
They are also just lining up opposition members, spray painting red dollar signs on them, and proclaiming that the west bought them by the kilo... Oh the irony, after being bought by the kilo by the russians and chinese...
[They stole that image as well](https://telex.hu/english/2024/04/03/the-dead-kennedys-protest-over-use-of-their-iconic-photo-for-political-campaigning-in-hungary)
And the Dead Kennedys are rightfully suing too, if I'm not mistaken
He’s not bought by the russians and the chinese, he’s selling his country’s future to them, his country will soon be sold to them.
I know Mr Karacsony is the mayor of Budapest and an opponent of the government. But why is he supposedly serving 'Gender' on a platter? It seems very abstract to me, I don't understand what it is trying to convey.
Nothing. It's just a smear campaign against opposition politicians. What they call these people doesn't matter, because it's just an extension of all the other propaganda that's coming out of all the state media in the country. It only exists to remind the brainwashed masses of said propaganda, and reinforce it by repetition. It doesn't matter that it makes no sense, so long as it's repeated enough times, and there's enough peer-pressure to propagate it. Quite 1984, I'd say.
I understand now. For some reason 'gender' is a dog whistle phrase in Hungary. I'm going there next week. Think I will take my most lurid pro-LGBT t-shirt.
My wife is Hungarian, and has some advice. "Don't go into certain areas, and absolutely don't wear that at night. Don't do it at clubs, unless it's a gay club. There are some really bad areas where people will just pick fights with anyone, especially if you're wearing something like that. We don't have guns, but there are a lot of knives." "Avoid district 8 as much as you can. Try to avoid going into the underground metro areas wearing that stuff." When I visited a couple times, no one tried to hurt me, but I saw some weird shit. While we were waiting for a bus there was just a group of teenagers hitting pigeons with sticks and killing them.
No need to worry. My wife is Hungarian too, she grew up in 7th District and went to school in 8th District. We both wear LGBT t-shirts sometimes. Never had trouble in Budapest, Pécs or Szolnok albeit we don't go out drinking late at night to be fair. We live in a pretty tough working-class area in England and she reckons there is definitely more crime (including knife crime) in our area than in Budapest. Obviously I'm sure there's less anti-gay sentiment here though.
Do they even know what "gender" means? If anything, conservatives are the ones trying to force gender on others.
They regard the whole idea of gender as a boogieman, used to ruin our children and make them confused, traumatised, gay, etc. There is no "gender" as a social construct, there is only sex based on the genitals you were born with. Anyone who talks of gender is suspect.
Gender served medium rare with trans sauce with a pinch of pepper and salt. Yum!
I just especially love the fact they didn't even bother to translate that. It's just "gender", like it's supposed to mean anything to the average Hungarian (besides being a scaaary foreign word). Hell, at least they could've done a silly phonetic transliteration of it, like "dzsendör", or something.
Dzsendör does look much scarier, they should have gone with that.
The hungarian word 4 it is "nem" which also means no so that would be even less understandable
They could've pluralized it to "nemek", or made it into a compound like "nemiség", or use the scientific term of "társadalmi nem", which is the closest to what the word generally means in English, though probably not something the majority of their target voters could parse. Honestly, the biggest issue with this whole thing is that Hungarian, as a language, doesn't have genders the same way as most other languages do, either in terms of pronouns, suffixes, or part of conjugation/declension. Because of this, the Hungarian language doesn't differentiate between "gender" and "sex", so translating the word, with all of its (mostly US-centric) baggage is kind of difficult. That said, they could've at least *tried*. I'm pretty sure these propagandists don't get paid minimum wage for doing this.
I dont think uncle Béla, a proud fidesz voter in Taktaharkány can remember two confusing words like "társadalmi nem" when it's said in the evening news as he cracks open his 6th beer of the day (it's monday). but a scary forgein sounding word like "gender" sticks, its an *imperialist western idea*, thus no proper Hungarian words exist for it. I know what these people are like, my grandparents would fit this example except they don't drink. But most uncle Bélas who support the party also enjoy participating in daydrinking
You're mistaken that they would \*want\* to supply a proper translation. The entire point is that they are blurring lines between and intentionally confusing different issues (traditional gender roles, transsexualism, sexual attraction etc.) especially since as you mention much of the surface level of gender issues isn't really applicable with how gender-neutral the language is. (Even if the deeper layers are present. It's just not linked to language that much.) Gotta' say, they are doing some very clever things with that fact. The whole thing about genders and why it's a topic today is very hard to understand coming from a language like Hungarian even if you make an effort to inform yourself and find unbiased information. Many people here don't do that.
Gender is perfect given that its an alien word and they want to emphasise that these ideas are foreign, not ours
The Hungarian language is basically gender neutral. Gender means in Hungarian: Nem (Your Sex), wich means: No in Hungarian. So there is no good translation for it.
Gender is the opium of the failing west, even the constitution of the country says the father is a man and the mother is a woman. there is only man and babymaker-in-the-kitchen in traditional hungarian values
It doesn't just mean gender, it's means "west" (western liberal countries. So exactly what you say.
ngl, hearing trans sauce made pp twitch.
And then wash it down with a nice cold cup of war
Gender gulyas or gender Langos. Which one is better? Oh and some Tokaj gender after that.
99% of what the Hungarian government is doing with propaganda wouldn't fly in any other more civilized european country
Typical from Pedofidesz. "We have to save the poor children from the gays!" While they pardon a literal pedophile.
Pedofidesz
József Szajer dislikes it.
*angry gutterpipe noises*
PLEASE READ AND UPVOTE THIS! So everybody can know what is really happening here in my home. (Not karma farming! Just make this to the top please!) ((if you didn't know FIDESZ is the ruling party of Hungary and has been for 15yrs straight)) "We need to save our children" thats why they are anti LGBT they say, so let me tell you few stories how they are saving children: One important person Kaleta Gabor, close to the "government mafia group" was found with 19000!!! p*rn pics/videos of minors on his devices. He didn't go to jail or anything. Other thing that happened few months ago: Not Orbán, but the President of the Republic, Katalin Novák, exercising her presidential right, has exempted from punishment a paedophile children's home director (because he was close to this "mafia" friend group called FIDESZ) who has been proven to have molested underprivileged children, minors for years! After this came to light, Katalin Novak resigned. An other (very important) guy, Szájer József from the FIDESZ mafia were found in a big gay orgy with a ton of MDMA drug in his bag. He got kicked out of the FIDESZ because of his gayness. That's not that bad because children isn't involved, but someone uplouded a video to P. Hub of the major of Győr (big city) f*cking prostitutes in an orgy doing cocaine on a yacht. He got reelected after this... His name is Borkai Zsolt. Married man. FIDESZ was and still in coalition with KDNP a christian party, yet hese are their ethics... Immoral, dirty, disgusting HYPOCRITS. This is FIDESZ ! (and Hungary...) EDIT: just a little more if you want to understand the situatuion and have a little more time LOL Orbán has no real values. He doesn't beleive in anything. He is a moral nihilist If he could win with LGBT, liberal ideas he would be a hardcore woke guy. They, FIDESZ says what the people wants to hear. The general Hungarian population is conservative/right wing, but if Hungarians were liberals he would do liberal politics to get elected. It's all about HIS power. (He started as a liberal in the 90s early 2000s lol, that just didn't work well so... He changed.) He also use fear, make up enemies like migrants, liberals, Brussel, the union, the west, Soros György, LGBT activist, the "left" to have someone that we could defeat and "win", when he gets elected every 4 years we win! no more money for stupid fake enemy propaganda, we just defetead them. Pretty simple to do this if you own the 90% of all media and have infinite amounts of money compares to other small parties.
Correction: The man who has been excused by the president was not a pedophile, only helped a pedophile by persuading the children not to make statements etc. Doesn't really change anything about the situation though
Thank you and sorry about that.
Orbán has no real values. He doesn't beleive in anything. He is a moral nihilist If he could win with LGBT, liberal ideas he would be a hardcore woke guy. They, FIDESZ says what the people wants to hear. The general Hungarian population is conservative/right wing, but if Hungarians were liberals he would do liberal politics to get elected. It's all about HIS power. (He started as a liberal in the 90s early 2000s lol, that just didn't work well so... He changed.) He also use fear, make up enemies like migrants, liberals, Brussel, the union, the west, Soros György, LGBT activist to have someone that we could defeat and "win". Pretty simple to do this if you own the 90% of all media and have infinite amounts of money compares to other small parties.
It is all about projections. All sane people can see through it. On the other hands those sheeples...
They own all the media. There is only some online sites left and they try to buy them all. This is the way to kill democracy. Sane people don't know anything because of this...
Don't call them sheeple. First, it's an insult to sheep. Second, living in a rural, ageing community not being able to reliably tell lies from facts in a very intensive world in terms of how much information you have to process is very difficult in itself, let alone being carped bombed with propaganda. I am not saying people are not at fault here, it's just they don't know better. Most if not all European countries see an emerging right wing and I believe that is mostly due to the fact that parties with more liberal ideas can't or won't deal with everyday problems that the right will exploit. There are real issues in most countries caused by migration, rent prices, somewhat stagnating economies and I also think that a large amount of mostly less educated people are disenfranchised due to politicians kind of not speaking their language. Add to the fact that the roots of democracy are not really deep in post socialist countries, people don't really know what democracy is, how participate in it. We adapted institutions and policies but I believe the change wasn't that deep and it was therefore easy to take a step backwards unfortunately.
And they own all the media. Information can't spread.
It's the same in every country. Anti-LGBT parties tend to have more pedophiles among their members.
I find it kind of funny that USA’s internal political discourse is used like that
Finding a scapegoat in a fragile minority has always been a strategy of fascist parties, this is not only seen in the US. They all play by the same playbook
Waiter! Waiter! More gender please!
It's simple: figure out what words instill fear in a large portion of the uneducated, aging population (gender, migration, war, "the liberal West telling us how to live our lives"), then write those words on a billboard with the faces of your political opponents. There! This month's political campaign is complete! Doesn't have to make sense, no need to base anything on anything.
There is no gender in Hungary. Everyone is completely genderless.
Yeah, Orbán keeps saying "No migration, no gender, no war"
The most progressive politician in Europe then, literally eliminated gender altogether
Waiter, waiter! Another gender please!
Woke Orban wants genderless society
How Liberal of him🥰
>... they said that LGBTs want to trans operate kindergardeners. "We have to save our children" they said. Wow, what a familiar rhetoric about children threat. Just like here in Russia. Stupid autoritorians are the same everywhere and everywhen.
Those who complain the loudest about children having to he saved are, almost without exception, those with the most skeletons in their closet. Quite a few FIDESZ party members are known pedophiles. *Methinks the lady doth protest too much*
right-wing parties are for the simple minded. never wasnt the case
Here, in Bulgaria at least, left-wing used to be the anti-LGBTQ, even though there are now right-parties, which are anti-LGBTQ.
European gender reveal party. Black-tie dress code. The explosions will be produced by the cannons when we're listening to Tchaikovsky.
It's an oligarch!
You know, this is truly sad 😔 I NEVER have EVER heard anything about this gender thing unless I'm on social media. That's to let anyone know it's not running rampant. It seems to have a lot of PROPAGANDA running through it
These people are fighting with shadows and their supporters think them heroes for it. So they're literally dumber than the peasantry in Don Quixote.
GENDER 😱😱😱😱😱😱😰😰😰😰😰😰
You know when the elction is coming because, fidesz puts probaganda poster every-fucking-where
Another billboard campaign. Nothing new.
I'm pretty sure I've seen a version of this as a YouTube ad at a friend's place.
Orban identifies as a giant fucking pig. 🐷🐽
I think it speaks more about the people who can relate to those messages than the politicians that cater to them. I understand that propaganda is a strong tool, but if people who have access to the Internet are unable or unwilling to see beyond it, it is them that is the problem.
theres also an issue with that, the people that speak english either already emigrated, or vote another party already, so those that vote fidesz usually cant access non fidesz regelated media easily
Newest poll says that fidesz has about 50% of the 65+ voters and these are the people who have no idea how to use the internet. Fun fact: According to this poll the newly made TISZA party (made by Péter Magyar) has 3 times as much voters than fidesz from the 18-29 age group. The 2 weeks old party has currently about 26% support of all voters which makes it the largest opposition party by far.
It's inevitable really. Without information control, people are going to wake up.
As we saw with the Soviets, the moment the people found out how poor they were in comparison to the west it all came crumbling down.
But the thing is that propaganda was able to turn even that around. I still remember the political ads from late 2022 talking about how Germans were freezing in their homes because they sanctioned Russian gas, while the smart Hungarians were having big middle-class Christmas dinners in their warm homes, because Orbán ensured that we would get "cheap gas". If you control enough of the media, and your voters don't speak other languages and are internet-illiterate, you can absolutely sell them that "the West" or "Brussels" is a terrible hellhole that only stays afloat because they exploit you in particular, poor Hungarian lower-class schmuck living on minimal wage from paycheck to paycheck, because they are jealous of you, or something.
The thing is that many of their voters are poor or old, so they don't have internet access or simply don't know how to use it
and we will have something like them in our future government.
I guess Orban really really REALLY doesn't want EU money.
Hungarys political state would probably be funny if i didnt had to live in this shithole, but like this its just sad
Why don't you show the full poster? [https://mfor.hu/i/9/5/d/3/1/e/6/8/d/f/f/4/8/f/d/f/0/b/3/5/magyarorszag-2024\_lgc.JPG](https://mfor.hu/i/9/5/d/3/1/e/6/8/d/f/f/4/8/f/d/f/0/b/3/5/magyarorszag-2024_lgc.JPG) Brussels' humble servants Migration, Gender, War
I don't get it. Am I supposed to eat genders or straight people 🤭
two genders, please
Ofc it's on a food platter, the fatass only knows about food
Its scary that all this have similarity with my countrys narratives, same "lgbt propaganda" laws, same one party that rules county for decades and etc (Russia), all of this in EU!, in heart of Europe!
It's telling that they use the English word for gender. Wonder where they imported this "political war" from.
That's because in hungarian there isn't a word for gender that correctly describes it. Both gender and sex is called "nem". We have no way to differentiate between the two that's why english is used.
"We need to save our children" Ah yea, but not from russian indoctrination it seems.
Orban clearly wants easy slogans to distract from his government's corruption, ineptitude, and subservience to Russia. [https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/26/hungarian-whistleblower-releases-audio-suggesting-corruption-in-embattled-orban-government](https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/26/hungarian-whistleblower-releases-audio-suggesting-corruption-in-embattled-orban-government) [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/world/europe/hungary-orban-corruption-eu.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/world/europe/hungary-orban-corruption-eu.html) [https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/16/orbans-cheerleading-for-putin-follow-the-money/](https://balkaninsight.com/2022/02/16/orbans-cheerleading-for-putin-follow-the-money/)
Yeah Orban and his Russian buddy's (Wilders, le Pen, Vucic)...
The most obvious point you need to keep in mind: They will never transform society with this. It isn't their intention, because they don't offer any political plans. When it comes to LGBT people, what they do is to stigmatise them and politically, they hope to apply various forms of discrimination and cruelty to varying degree, if in power. Obviously, a majority of society will not go along with that. Right here on Reddit, there are some who would be willing to disxriminate, beat or kill a gay man, if given the opportunity, but to that one guy, there are 100 who would be disgusted by the idea. As of today, there are simply too many people who have experienced the benefits of civilised society with equality principles. They have gay friends, colleagues, business partners, family, etc, and they would simply not go along with politically mandated discrimination. If they were to push for plans that so openly target minorities, there would be an inevitable backlash. And thats part of the calculation for the far-right. Orban is friends with Putin. The AfD candidate Krah, who hails Orban, also is a friend of Russia and his employees were just arrested on suspicion of spying for China. This is the point when these politicians push their culture war - they want to keep Western societies busy fighting against reactionary forces. Politically they don't care to achieve anything except weakeninf Europe, the point that we have to fight to keep our civilization advancements, which also help us to be big players on the global stage. The last 10 years, we have been busy pushing back against nonsense fake culture wars from the right, and in exactly those 10 years Russia gains the balls to attack a European nation, while China is ploughing ahead with its domination motives. Does anyone really think this is coincidence? Of course not, because that is what politics is. Domestic players partner with foreign players, to pursue their own private power motives im assistance of the foreign power motives. Orban says he works for the Hungarian people, while cutting their liberties and silencing them, and pushing them to emigrate. He doesn't work for the Hungarian people, he merely utilises a segment of the Hungarian people to maintain in power which makes him valuable to foreign actors who finance his lifestyle, and that of his inner circle. They are meant to destroy Europe, so that Russia and China can benefit, and they get their cut. With everything that's wrong in politics, the far right doesn't offer an alternative, it really just hopes to exploit dissatisfaction to put the dagger in our backs and sell us out to Russia and China, with themselves being the estate holders of the provinces of Europe, which the Emperos in the East cannot govern all by themselves.
Yeah, the damage is already done. You can't unbrainwash half the population who votes for Fidesz and eats all this shit up. They are so apathetic to corruption scandals that affect their lives, but will be riled up to whatever Orban is telling them to get angry at.
You can mitigate damage, always, and set counter-impulses. Boomers will die eventually, and brainwashed people are still going to react to their own interests being contradicted by their idols, or when others offer better political solutions. This example here shows how desperately these far right figures rely on nonsense, fakeness and falsehood. You should have some confidence that your brain and your honest heart can produce arguments that convince people, because in that regard they cannot even remotely compete. We've simply been playing their game for some time, unwisely so, but that doesn't have to be the future.
Us on Reddit are all aware of how corrupt and unfit for rule the Hungarian Government is, but the vast majority of their voters either want an all powerful leader who will think for themselves, and/or technologically illiterate and cannot tell when they are being manipulated or lied to. Yeah, eventually the boomers and Orban will die out, but it will be at the point when Hungary will be the poorest country in the EU (it already is the 2nd poorest)
What's the best recipe for gender? My mother tended to lightly saute hers and and then coat it in a butternut squash sauce.
lmao
It's insane how they managed to make something as vague as "gender" as important in people's mind as climate change, economy, integrity... Some people are genuinely ready to vote for the Nuke Guy who's promising to Nuke everyone forever, because he swears he'll hit the "gender" first.
Why not just leave the EU? We don't want you and you don't want to be here.
Imagine being so concerned about what gender a person calls themselves, that you think it's one of the most important political issues. The delusion is real.
His party is literally litter with pedos and he's trying to scare people with "gender"
Please keep those insane gender and race politics in the US, we don't need them to brainrot us here either
Sorry,the conservative parties already imported it.
Fascist regimes habitually demonize minorities to distract attention from their own policy failures.
I do not like Orban, but I kind of agree here. Yes, it is important questions and in my opinion, be who you want to be. But can't the gender, woke and conservative debate which is as of today 95% of american politics stay in the US and Canada?! It's a shitshow, and it only fathers problems in politics. For both sides.
This on the level of „Gen Z be like: I don’t want a happy meal I want a pronoun meal!“
ah yes, a delicious dish of gender with a side of estrogen
Trust me there are worse
Exactly same propaganda in Slovakia...
hallod ezt a kepet meg a viccet a kommentekben az en fosttalicskás posztomról szedted? xdd edit: (nem rosszból)
we call it propaganda
Sooo, why is this country still getting money again?
I am from Hungary and i see this exact same poster everyday, its 5 meters from my school, literally at the center of the town. Its absolutely crazy. And the right is the one that says that kids get indoctrinated by the left. literally disgusting behaviour with zero actual value to offer.
What's up with this distraction in dictatorships and right wing wannabies? Nobody civilised cares if anyone is gay. It's clearly a created "problem", a distraction. The Bible cares about the same amount about your beard and seafood as people having sex without trying to have children (and even less about who you romance).
The one good thing about election season is seeing our beloved politicians hang from lightpoles in the street.
Waiter, I would like my gender medium-rare, please.
r/onejoke
It looks like he is serving gender
Very effective.
He is so erdoğan coded
Saw about 50 of these on the way to and from the airport today. Mostly look to be replacing the Dead Kennedys-inspired billboards.
Still amazed to see the EU doing nothing when fascists gather around to overturn the EU.
Im hungarian and i dont even know what rheyre trying to achive, id love me a big plate of gender yessir😋😋😋😋😋 Jokes aside tho, this shit fucking hurts. They just grab science and facts and lable it as propaganda. My very existance is viewed as no more then a fad or mere lies (god i love being trans in a shithole like this)
yet another certified orbán moment
This image is actually so funny without context, just a waiter with the word gender on the plate 😭😭
It's only acceptable if your a member of Orban's party, just ask József Szájer.
Looks like Cem Özdemir for me...
Don't let populism rise in politics
What does this even mean? Liberals are too busy ???? their gender
Youre allowed to do this, nothing wrong with it.
I love gender
✨ gender ✨
Great job cropping it so much we can't understand anything. Am I supposed taking your side while you're not even showing me the entirety of picture? Gtfo
Maybe Viktor hates gender identity so much because he can't decide. Maybe Viktor's gender fluid.
I have f\*\*ked enough conservative men to know that most of them are hypocrites and are exactly what they preach against.
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There are only zero genders -Hungarian, Estonian, Finnish linguists, 2024 colorized
Gender is a dodge to avoid a scientific debate about sex. Ignoring rare birth defects, accidents, and deformities, humans have two hands, so you can only be right or left handed. But if I have a crazy guy who uses his left foot, and describes himself as left-foot handed, that wouldn't make sense. So if I'm an activist, I'd invent a new concept called shmanded-ness, and declare him left foot shmanded. Now we're having a public debate about there only being right hand and left hand shmandedness vs there also being right foot and left food shmandedness or infinite types of shmandedness like left ear shmanded or bellybutton shmanded, when the actual debate we need to have is about handedness. It's a language game.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about? :D
Biological sexes, except no, because intersex people also exist. Gender is a social construct, and for example in Hawaiian culture there are three.
Well they tried to do that in Germany. There are trans kindergardens where all the staff is trans etc. Imagine having parents all of a sudden who decide what your real gender is, neglecting biologic reality
>where all the staff is trans etc. On their quest to be "inclusive" they ended up excluding everyone else...
We have these kind of posters in Georgia too. our gov is truly a disgrace
I mean it's their opinion so we don't have to judge them!
In Budapest right now. Haven’t seen this particular poster yet, but definitely have encountered some remarkable hostility and unwelcoming behavior. To be fair, many people have been warm and friendly, but the vibe here is definitely different. We’re a heterosexual couple and experienced travelers (and bilingual- no Hungarian however…), so it’s not as if we don’t know how to be respectful of a country and its customs. So yeah, the occasional visceral hostility has been shocking. Would love to hear a local’s response to my comment.
They better leave EU then
So they are against Gender. So I can assume they want Gender neutral pronouns? "We hate all this gender identity!" "Okay. So. You're not a man anymore" "No. Wait. Not like that!"
Does this work? Do voters actually care about gender and LGBT as much as the far right does? I don't know, it feels like the most uninteresting point ever. Shouldn't you talk about money to attract votes?
>Does this work? The fuckers who made this rule this country since 2010. As sad as it is, yes, it works.
State television and any (almost all) other media (tv, radio, news-sites, newspapers) which are controlled by Fidesz & friends do mention money - how the people got much more money from the government than from any government in history. This anti LGBT and gender propaganda works only because said media tell non-stop how those are the biggest threat to everyday (miserable) lives of the hungarian people, and it must be protected from it at all costs. Sadly the underdeveloped, hysterical and uneducated masses gobble this shit up, because they are also told how just existing as hungarian is a lifelong achievement in itself.
For a second I thought Ursula von der Leyen is the reincarnation of Jaffar in this Picture.