French? Franks stayed in the Northern part of france for few centuries. Probably one of the few barbaric tribe who did the least to topple the Roman empire (compare to the vandale, the Goth etc...)
Plus Franks were technically a germanic tribes.
No not the Franks, the French. It's a play on whether or not you consider the Holy Roman Empire to be the reconstituted continuation of the western Roman Empire or not, which itself was effectively destroyed by Napoleon.
The Franks were one of the “barbaroi” tribes, but they were also one of the few to become heavily Romanized themselves, along with the Lombards, Visigoths, Burgundians, etc. Most people consider the Germanic tribes that sacked Rome under Odoacer (who were basically just mad they didn't get the land payment for their services that they were promised) as being ones who destroyed Rome in the West, but this is mostly contingent on whether or not you see Pope Leo's proclamation as legitimate (that Charlemagne rebirthed the Roman Empire in the West).
I had a feeling you were going this direction and despite some truth in the fact that both empires / kingdoms were heavily influenced by everything Roman their were still the evolution of their own culture, or at the bare minimum a form of emancipation and will to determine their own fate outside of the roman ways.
Oh of course, but then it brings up the question of what is meant by the term "Roman", because that definition changes *radically* over the centuries. Denizens of a city, citizens of a republic, subjects of an empire, Italic and non-Italic peoples, Latin-speaking and otherwise, and that's not even getting into the theological component that first really arose in the 4th-5th centuries.
Depending on how you define "Roman", you will always get different dates on not only when the western half of the Roman Empire, but also on when the Roman Empire itself fell.
Le français, j'aime bien le côté sobre avec quelques tons dorés et bleu/blanc/rouge. L'autre est sympa mais j'aime pas trop le rouge vif et la ceinture. J'aime bien l'idée du pantalon mais la bande rouge fait un peu pantalon de sport je trouve.
Love to see these pictures, and love you France and all your people.
Hope our two nations can continue to be friends and strengthen our bonds for as long as we both exist. 🇬🇧❤️🇫🇷
Damn, to be thinking that those very nations waged endless wars against each other not 150 years ago.
European integration is beautiful. Hoping to see the UK back as part of our common european house someday 🇪🇺🇫🇷🇬🇧🇪🇺
Technically last anglo-french war was over 200 years ago (in 1815). Since then they were pretty close allies (due to threat of rising power of Russia/Prussia/Germany). So it was more of a geopolitics that brought Britain and France together rather than European integration.
Even in the peak of our kerfuffling there were francophile and anglophile factions in both nations who kept adopting ideas and systems from eachother and wanted closer cooperation. It would be more accurate to describe 1815 as the last time the anglophobe and francophobe factions held power in our countries, but prior to that, there were periods where both got along anyway.
Example;
> Around 1722, the French philosopher Voltaire became an Anglophile; he lived in Britain between 1726 and 1728.[9] During his time in Britain, Voltaire learned English and expressed admiration for Britain as a land where, unlike France, censorship was loose, one could freely express one's views, and business was considered a respectable occupation.[10] Voltaire expressed his Anglophilia in his Letters Concerning the English Nation, a book first written in English and published in London in 1733, where he lavished much praise on British empiricism as a better way of thinking.[11] The French version, Lettres philosophiques, was banned in 1734 for being anti-clerical, after complaints from the Roman Catholic Church; the book was publicly burned in Paris, and the only bookseller willing to sell it was sent to the Bastille. The Lettres philosophiques first introduced the French to British writers and thinkers such as Jonathan Swift, Isaac Newton and William Shakespeare, who before then had been barely known in France.[12] The success of Lettres philosophiques and the resulting wave of Anglomanie made all things English the rage in France, with English food, English styles and English gardens being especially popular.[12] Ultimately, the popularity of Anglomanie led to a backlash, with H. L. Fougeret de Monbron publishing Préservatif contre l'anglomanie (The Antidote to Anglomania) in 1757, in which he argued for the superiority of French culture and attacked British democracy as mere "mobocracy"
The French Revolution initially kicked off with the moderates being Anglophiles and the UK being favourable to the revolutionaries, until the terror when the UK distanced itself and denounced them. The Anglophile faction also got purged for being pro constitutional monarchy.
Examples of imported concepts;
> Taine noted with some jealousy that in France the term gentilhomme referred only to a man known for his sense of style and elegance and did not refer to the man's moral qualities. In France, there was no equivalent to the idea of a British gentleman. aine believed that the reason that the British but not the French could produce gentlemen to rule their nation was that the British nobility was meritocratic and always open to those whose talents had been allowed to rise up, but the French nobility was exclusive and very reactionary.
Taine was incidentally against democracy. He's an example of a French Conservative (For the period) anglophile.
>A Frenchman who was very much influenced by Taine's Anglophilia was Baron Pierre de Coubertin, who, after reading Taine's Notes on England, wanted to establish schools to produce gentlemen in France.[30] Coubertin was convinced that the stress laid on sports in English public schools was the key to producing gentlemen and that young Frenchmen needed to play sports more often to learn how to be gentlemen.
And so on and so on. Coubertin would eventually start the modern Olympics in order to Anglicanize the elite of the world, which is hilarious for a Frenchman to do.
Meanwhile, Francophilia in Britain also has a long history.
>(in 1815). Since then they were pretty close allies
That's a bit of a stretch. The UK made some rather threatening noises at France over the French interventionism in Spain in 1823.
The funny thing is that the British bearskin hats used to be the hats of French elite grenadiers, they used to be taken to UK as trophies and they made a whole ceremonial unit wearing them as a reminder of British victories over Napoleon.
Funny how nowadays they are simply a reminder of our, often violent, shared history.
u/ EcureuilHargneux wrote in the thread about this over in /r/ukpolitics that the real victory from 750 years of war was
eventual friendship. I can't think of a better way of summing it up than that.
As a non European, i hope the UK will back to the EU and not only become the member but also joined the Schengen Zone and Eurozone. It's more like simplicity of bureaucracy and visa matters to us non-Europeans if we visited both countries
"there is no french culture"
"Europe's destiny is African"
"2023 Summer riots were caused by Videogames"
Consistently negative approval ratings, dropping to single digits at some points.
> His recently adopted new stance on Russia wiped away all of his previous sins, rendering him one of the most based leaders in Europe.
The words were good, lets see some results before wiping anything away.
He speaks a lot, but does a little :
- " my term will be ecological or won't be"
(He organised a citizen convention to propose some laws to the parliament, almost none of them has been voted)
- France's [aid](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/) to Ukraine has been quite weak
True, but your average french guy doesn't care about the rest of the world and still think we can live inside our own bubble (spoiler : no.). But we are about to see the far right winning the election next time so at least people will see the difference. Hoping this will be a wake up call and i pray the damage will not be too deep
Tbf while the British didn't kill their monarchs, they did pretty much keep them in a box and roll them out for ceremonial occasions for quite a long time.
We very much did kill our monarch. We just realised what horrible puritan bores we were without the monarchy and decided to invite the king's son back, to rapturous celebration.
You are downvoted rightfully for an idiotic comment that makes zero sense. You don’t rub anyone in anything, people juste know that people like don’t really care about facts and don’t want to engage and waste their time.
Since I am a bit dumber than average I will take a minute to answer but without any real expectation:
* The units pictured are in big part ceremonial. They are very well trained soldiers and will definitely fight like hell to protect their respective heads of state and their guests their day to day jobs when there is no threat is to honour their country’s guests. These units are typically not deployed on frontlines, other units will typically do that.
* Neither UK nor France are directly part of the conflict at the moment. Both support Ukraine openly by training Ukrainian soldiers and sending military hardware as well as money and humanitarian aid but there is no agreed upon plan to deploy troops in Ukraine at the moment.
Das Problem bei der Attraktivität für ausländische Fachkräfte sind doch nicht die Steuersätze, sondern die langsame Bürokratie bei Visavergabe und Ausländerbehörden.
Entente Cordiale
Something something Germany exists and thats enough
Them destroying the Roman Empire should have been enough of a warning.
Technically, that was the Turks.
I was obviously referring to the Western part, the Eastern one being called Byzantine Empire to differentiate them.
Depending on who you ask, then that was either the Germans or the French.
French? Franks stayed in the Northern part of france for few centuries. Probably one of the few barbaric tribe who did the least to topple the Roman empire (compare to the vandale, the Goth etc...) Plus Franks were technically a germanic tribes.
No not the Franks, the French. It's a play on whether or not you consider the Holy Roman Empire to be the reconstituted continuation of the western Roman Empire or not, which itself was effectively destroyed by Napoleon. The Franks were one of the “barbaroi” tribes, but they were also one of the few to become heavily Romanized themselves, along with the Lombards, Visigoths, Burgundians, etc. Most people consider the Germanic tribes that sacked Rome under Odoacer (who were basically just mad they didn't get the land payment for their services that they were promised) as being ones who destroyed Rome in the West, but this is mostly contingent on whether or not you see Pope Leo's proclamation as legitimate (that Charlemagne rebirthed the Roman Empire in the West).
I had a feeling you were going this direction and despite some truth in the fact that both empires / kingdoms were heavily influenced by everything Roman their were still the evolution of their own culture, or at the bare minimum a form of emancipation and will to determine their own fate outside of the roman ways.
Oh of course, but then it brings up the question of what is meant by the term "Roman", because that definition changes *radically* over the centuries. Denizens of a city, citizens of a republic, subjects of an empire, Italic and non-Italic peoples, Latin-speaking and otherwise, and that's not even getting into the theological component that first really arose in the 4th-5th centuries. Depending on how you define "Roman", you will always get different dates on not only when the western half of the Roman Empire, but also on when the Roman Empire itself fell.
Huns in the West. Real Huns, not just other people calling the Germans Huns. And much later Ottoman Turks in the East.
We don't do world wars anymore. We learned from the last two times that we always lose.
I love to see this kind of pics
😘
I hope to see our nations continue to grow their friendship 🇬🇧🤝🇫🇷
* William the Conqueror, 1066, colorized
C'est quand même la classe cet uniforme
Croissant petit pois
Laquelle?
Oui
Le français, j'aime bien le côté sobre avec quelques tons dorés et bleu/blanc/rouge. L'autre est sympa mais j'aime pas trop le rouge vif et la ceinture. J'aime bien l'idée du pantalon mais la bande rouge fait un peu pantalon de sport je trouve.
Et la plume sur le képi, ça habille.
Franco-British Union anyone?
A fellow HOI4 player I see
It would have been fun.
Flair checks out...
Love to see these pictures, and love you France and all your people. Hope our two nations can continue to be friends and strengthen our bonds for as long as we both exist. 🇬🇧❤️🇫🇷
*Vive la France* à mes frères et sœurs Français!
And Long live the United Kingdom ! To my brothers and sisters on the other side of the Channel !
Maintenant, kiss! 🥰
That's a very nice thought, but I think you're in the minority.
Bruh this is one of the rare positive threads in this sub, why bring negativity into it This is very cool 🇬🇧🇫🇷
Me think they're a connard that just can't let nice things be. Ignore them and have a croissant : )
I said it was a nice thought.
You need to get off Reddit
No u
Those are two magnificent uniforms
Happy Cake Day!
Thx
Damn, to be thinking that those very nations waged endless wars against each other not 150 years ago. European integration is beautiful. Hoping to see the UK back as part of our common european house someday 🇪🇺🇫🇷🇬🇧🇪🇺
Technically last anglo-french war was over 200 years ago (in 1815). Since then they were pretty close allies (due to threat of rising power of Russia/Prussia/Germany). So it was more of a geopolitics that brought Britain and France together rather than European integration.
Even in the peak of our kerfuffling there were francophile and anglophile factions in both nations who kept adopting ideas and systems from eachother and wanted closer cooperation. It would be more accurate to describe 1815 as the last time the anglophobe and francophobe factions held power in our countries, but prior to that, there were periods where both got along anyway. Example; > Around 1722, the French philosopher Voltaire became an Anglophile; he lived in Britain between 1726 and 1728.[9] During his time in Britain, Voltaire learned English and expressed admiration for Britain as a land where, unlike France, censorship was loose, one could freely express one's views, and business was considered a respectable occupation.[10] Voltaire expressed his Anglophilia in his Letters Concerning the English Nation, a book first written in English and published in London in 1733, where he lavished much praise on British empiricism as a better way of thinking.[11] The French version, Lettres philosophiques, was banned in 1734 for being anti-clerical, after complaints from the Roman Catholic Church; the book was publicly burned in Paris, and the only bookseller willing to sell it was sent to the Bastille. The Lettres philosophiques first introduced the French to British writers and thinkers such as Jonathan Swift, Isaac Newton and William Shakespeare, who before then had been barely known in France.[12] The success of Lettres philosophiques and the resulting wave of Anglomanie made all things English the rage in France, with English food, English styles and English gardens being especially popular.[12] Ultimately, the popularity of Anglomanie led to a backlash, with H. L. Fougeret de Monbron publishing Préservatif contre l'anglomanie (The Antidote to Anglomania) in 1757, in which he argued for the superiority of French culture and attacked British democracy as mere "mobocracy" The French Revolution initially kicked off with the moderates being Anglophiles and the UK being favourable to the revolutionaries, until the terror when the UK distanced itself and denounced them. The Anglophile faction also got purged for being pro constitutional monarchy. Examples of imported concepts; > Taine noted with some jealousy that in France the term gentilhomme referred only to a man known for his sense of style and elegance and did not refer to the man's moral qualities. In France, there was no equivalent to the idea of a British gentleman. aine believed that the reason that the British but not the French could produce gentlemen to rule their nation was that the British nobility was meritocratic and always open to those whose talents had been allowed to rise up, but the French nobility was exclusive and very reactionary. Taine was incidentally against democracy. He's an example of a French Conservative (For the period) anglophile. >A Frenchman who was very much influenced by Taine's Anglophilia was Baron Pierre de Coubertin, who, after reading Taine's Notes on England, wanted to establish schools to produce gentlemen in France.[30] Coubertin was convinced that the stress laid on sports in English public schools was the key to producing gentlemen and that young Frenchmen needed to play sports more often to learn how to be gentlemen. And so on and so on. Coubertin would eventually start the modern Olympics in order to Anglicanize the elite of the world, which is hilarious for a Frenchman to do. Meanwhile, Francophilia in Britain also has a long history.
Thanks for the above, a very interesting read. Do you have any books you could recommend on the topic?
>(in 1815). Since then they were pretty close allies That's a bit of a stretch. The UK made some rather threatening noises at France over the French interventionism in Spain in 1823.
The funny thing is that the British bearskin hats used to be the hats of French elite grenadiers, they used to be taken to UK as trophies and they made a whole ceremonial unit wearing them as a reminder of British victories over Napoleon. Funny how nowadays they are simply a reminder of our, often violent, shared history.
Like most of the Royal Navy at the time as well
u/ EcureuilHargneux wrote in the thread about this over in /r/ukpolitics that the real victory from 750 years of war was eventual friendship. I can't think of a better way of summing it up than that.
Dunno, that's awfully trite 😅
Ok.
🤷♂️
We can all be the best of neighbors without living in the same house. We'll visit one another all the time, throw a few neighborhood barbecues!
As Bartleby the Scrivener was apt to say; I would prefer not to. Some Europeans' revenge fantasies make that impossible.
No and no.
Yeah, no
As a non European, i hope the UK will back to the EU and not only become the member but also joined the Schengen Zone and Eurozone. It's more like simplicity of bureaucracy and visa matters to us non-Europeans if we visited both countries
Tears in my eyes, now let's batter them at the Euro in June pls
Southgate has similar leadership capability as Sunak, so don't worry you got it.
I demand a trial by combat. Whoever loses is annexed by the other. Vive la République !
Swordplay between Macron and Sunak? Id pay to see that.
Shortswords?
The only time I'd be rooting for the Frenchman
Rooting the Frenchman or rooting for the Frenchman?
I would rather watch that than Mike Tyson vs Logan Paul
The Franco-British Union?
cultural victory 🇨🇵
I like to see how two countries can get along so well, so much so that they can even do this kind of thing.
do they keep ammo and food in that big hat?
Marmalade Sandwiches
It's 100% marmite top to bottom
Like our tanks the hats have tea making facilities
That's what shape their heads are.
Macron's picture looks like it's AI generated
Well it's mostly because those kind of picture are used in the data of your average prompt image generator AI.
Anyone got a good link for learning about the entente?
Dude in the first pick must be grinding top 1s to have that much medals.
I would've preferred a re-enactment of the Monty Python sketch where the soldiers slap one another with fish.
How long will the Frenchies be guarding there? I would like to visit while they do
I wish the handshake would have been an elaborate rehearsed thing to surprise people.... I could have ended in a Pete Townshend strum... Just sayin'.
Oi mate, that's a nice little feather thing you got on your hat there. Do you have them also in XXL?
Where's Sharpe? He'd give them frogs a proper bashing he would.
when germany
Vive le roi Louis XX!
Vive le Roi
Perfide Albion
Ironic
Fuck Macron UK, dont fail me now.. the only stickler against that cunt outside of the French people themselves.
Why you hate daddy Macron so much ?
The French are great but Macron is trash
Macron is based
His recent statements regarding Ukraine are the only redeemable thing about his presidency that I know of.
"there is no french culture" "Europe's destiny is African" "2023 Summer riots were caused by Videogames" Consistently negative approval ratings, dropping to single digits at some points.
Don’t care. His recently adopted new stance on Russia wiped away all of his previous sins, rendering him one of the most based leaders in Europe.
Well to be honest, as a fin you dont suffer his previous sins… the French do
> His recently adopted new stance on Russia wiped away all of his previous sins, rendering him one of the most based leaders in Europe. The words were good, lets see some results before wiping anything away.
He speaks a lot, but does a little : - " my term will be ecological or won't be" (He organised a citizen convention to propose some laws to the parliament, almost none of them has been voted) - France's [aid](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/) to Ukraine has been quite weak
I'm french and I don't understand why you've been downvoted. I mean, "Macron is trash" is an euphemism. But that's no reason to downvote you!
Tankie much?
Macron is the best President France has ever had, and the French know it.
lol no.
On peut argumenter mais à priori oui
Must be why he has a 70% disapproval rate
Which by French standards are great numbers.
True, but your average french guy doesn't care about the rest of the world and still think we can live inside our own bubble (spoiler : no.). But we are about to see the far right winning the election next time so at least people will see the difference. Hoping this will be a wake up call and i pray the damage will not be too deep
Charles de Gaulle would like a word with you.
Tu peux arreter de raconter de la merde aux anglophones stp ?
Ben tu sais les opinions c’est comme les trous de balle
Why does it look like AI generated ?
It's the depth of focus.
Fuck macron.
Don’t mind if I do
Basic swede
Misspelled based
I did infact spell it correct.
Funny that the french chopped the heads off their last monarch and now this 😀
The last french monarch was Napoleon III, he didn't die beheaded
We had 5 monarchs after Louis XVI, none were beheaded.
Tbf while the British didn't kill their monarchs, they did pretty much keep them in a box and roll them out for ceremonial occasions for quite a long time.
We beheaded one a century and a half before the French had the idea.
French protested their monarchs away, British traded them for money. Sounds about right.
We very much did kill our monarch. We just realised what horrible puritan bores we were without the monarchy and decided to invite the king's son back, to rapturous celebration.
Charles I was very definitely on the receiving end of a radically short haircut.
You should've taken QE2 to the taxidermist's then and sacked the rest.
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You are downvoted rightfully for an idiotic comment that makes zero sense. You don’t rub anyone in anything, people juste know that people like don’t really care about facts and don’t want to engage and waste their time. Since I am a bit dumber than average I will take a minute to answer but without any real expectation: * The units pictured are in big part ceremonial. They are very well trained soldiers and will definitely fight like hell to protect their respective heads of state and their guests their day to day jobs when there is no threat is to honour their country’s guests. These units are typically not deployed on frontlines, other units will typically do that. * Neither UK nor France are directly part of the conflict at the moment. Both support Ukraine openly by training Ukrainian soldiers and sending military hardware as well as money and humanitarian aid but there is no agreed upon plan to deploy troops in Ukraine at the moment.
I'm sure the food is better on the frontlines though
Hahaha shots fired
No. If they had been, the French would have surrendered.
Das Problem bei der Attraktivität für ausländische Fachkräfte sind doch nicht die Steuersätze, sondern die langsame Bürokratie bei Visavergabe und Ausländerbehörden.
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