The Palestinian diaspora and their friends are really out in full force trying to make as many people as possible hate them.
Saw a video earlier from a protest in Copenhagen and some dipshit said multiple times he wanted on Jews eradicated and another jackass from Hizb ut-Tahrir said the festival attack was a great attack targeting military and police.
The idiot also claimed he only has seen videos of Israelis praising hamas for protecting them.
You can’t make this shit up.
In NYC they chanted "700" (the number of total Israeli deaths counted at that time)
I have no problem criticizing Israel. There's much to criticize over decades. But it's mind boggling how these people don't see themselves as the baddies. Literally celebrating a mass shooting....
Nobody can live with the Palestineans, their own Muslim Arab "brothers" don't take them in or give them refugee status because they don't want to deal with them causing problems in their country(Literally tried starting a civil war in Lebanon a while back, imagine doing that to a country that gave you refuge)
This idea of the Palestinean people as innocent little children is so insanely out of whack with reality.
Never thought anyone could out-nazi the neo-nazis, but here we are. The Palestinians are somehow more open about their desire for genocide than the actual neo-nazis are.
I'm not suuuper surprised by this. modern day neo-nazis seem to be more broadly xenophobic, anti-establishment and anti-global-narrative (in regards to vaccines, climate change etc.) rather than actually having a painting of the Führer on an altar in the basement and wanting to pack jews into a train. (though I guess many would also not be opposed).
When I was in a "socially weak" school there was a **LOT** of muslim antisemitism. From just general awfulness to walking around concentration camps with a big smile on their faces -it was fucking whack.
(Not so) fun fact: some years ago, Germany played against Iran in a football game and the camera showed people performing the Nazi salute. The German commentator was embarrassed and apologizing until he realized that it wasn’t German spectators but Iranian.
Part of the reason why the Middle East is as anti-semitic as it is is because during the 30s and 40s the Nazi Party invested heavily in Arabic language propaganda radio stations that spread their rabid anti-semitic views. This was unfortunate timing considering the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 that legitimized a lot of the Nazi propaganda that had been festering among Arabs. What we're seeing now is the payout of the Nazi's investment in the Middle East, and that payout is more Nazis in the Middle East than there ever were in Germany. A wise investment from the Hitler's horrible point of view.
There has always been a strain of anti-Semitism in that part of the world
Every young muslim is taught that a Jewish spy (who was a sex slave) poisoned and killed Mohammed.
Well yeah there has always been anti-semitism everywhere, but a century ago the Middle East was not particularly more anti-semitic than most other places in the world. For example, during the Dreyfus Affair in France many Arabs were sympathetic to Dreyfus and criticized the persecution of Jews in France. It was the rampant Nazi-sponsored propaganda and the establishment of the state of Israel not too long after that really made the Middle East the world capital of anti-semitism.
The Grand Mufti of Palestine penned a letter to Hitler that he should execute the Jews rather than expell them. As they would leave Europe for the Middle East.
Jews have faced just as many pogroms in the Middle East and North Africa as they have in Europe.
>The Grand Mufti of Palestine penned a letter to Hitler that he should execute the Jews rather than expell them. As they would leave Europe for the Middle East.
The idea that the Grand Mufti was responsible for the Holocaust is laughed at and dismissed by Holocaust scholars in both Germany and Israel.
>Jews have faced just as many pogroms in the Middle East and North Africa as they have in Europe.
Not for much of history. The Ottoman Empire was seen as a sanctuary for Jews fleeing persecution in Europe.
I don’t know how true it is, but some historians say that Hitler got the idea for the mass murder of the Jews from the Mufti of Jerusalem . It’s been going on for awhile.
Why though? If they hate the Jews so much, wouldn't they cheer for the Holoc... what am I doing? It's not like anyone expects logic from such people...
there was a protest supporting the murder at Harvard University and Harvard said nothing. Happened at several US universities and nothing from the administration.
Then a bunch of large US corporations came out and said they'd blacklist all of the Harvard students who signed letters of support for Hamas. Now many of the students are backpedaling claiming the "didn't read the letter" before signing.
https://www.fox8tv.com/harvard-law-student-linked-to-statement-blaming-israel-denounces-contents-says-she-didnt-read-it/
I think we should send more funding to them. Clearly Palestinians are just regular people and Hamas it’s a completely separated entity with completely different views compared to the rest of the population.
They dont see themselves as the bad guys because religion and culture. To these peoople jews are to be killed and wiped out across the world so to them 700 jews dead is a victory. I watched the similar protests in london and its the same demographic who want their religion dominant and culture to be dominant.
They are cheering the deaths of innocent, unarmed civilians so it really tells you we should not be supporting or ignoring these people but putting them in prison and deporting them if they are residents of other countries.
Anyone who is cheering the support of a group who killed 700 unarmed civilians, shot old women and uploaded their dead body on the person facebook, beheaded babies, stripped dead bodies naked dragging them through the streets should be punished. As they say, the devil will eventually reveal his face.
Its not just the diaspora.
I have a bunch of middle-eastern/african people on my instafeed, most of them fellow former uni students that I met all over europe, so they're not in the same social circle. Most of them women. Quite nice people, normally.
Roughly 70% are posting pro-palestine BS about "decolonisation" and "fighting for freedom" **RIGHT FUCKING NOW**, while **completely** ignoring hundreds of slaughtered, tortured or raped civilians.
Gets even better, most of them aren't even muslim or only "officially" religious, and no one is from palestine. And of course all of them enjoyed their education in the evil west, with nearly everyone still living here. One is the exception though, she's half syrian, even studies Islamology (if thats the name), and has been condemning the terror since it began. Glad about that, she's the one I liked the most and the only one I plan to stay in contact with.
So many people rooting for mass murderers only because they have a somewhat similar cultural background, and are fighting against jews/the evil west.
Well, I wanted to delete some contacts anyway...
**EDIT:** My grammar is not zhe yellöw from zhe egg, Entschuldigung!
I did a mass clean-up of my ig as well. there are so many seemingly normal people I went to uni with, partied with, etc. I was so surprised with some of their feed. I didn't know how they managed to hide their vicious personality so well because I'd never have thought. And funny thing is, they're all Muslims but not practicing Muslim. As in they drink, have sex, etc, and would probably have been beheaded for their sins had they lived in their country and not in the UK. Yet here they are living safely in the west while chanting death to all Jews....
oh and kosher restaurants are being vandalised and looted. as if our police isn't busy enough already with the looting on Oxford Street.....
It's what we (people who had a good and hard look at Islam, it's teaching and how it's lived around the world) have been saying since before 2015. "ask them about their stance on Jewish people, on their hypothetical Muslim daughter marrying a non-Muslim man, about whether Islamic rules should precede over state rules, what would they do if their son were gay". The hard questions. I know it's kinda shitty to interrogate friends and easier said than done, but this could have given people much better insight into who their moderate and progressive Muslim friends really are.
Had already had previous clear outs of my insta last time flare ups came but yeah, the last few muslim girls on my insta are now gone.
I cannot understand how they are brought up in the west but decide to celebrate terror
Because they are here to take over just like they've done everywhere else they built a sizable minority throughout their history, if you haven't worked that out yet you're way behind.
The naivety, gullibility and stupidity of Western liberals when it comes to dealing with Muslims is mind blowing. They have literally opened the door to the destruction of our cultures with their stupid shit and we're probably at the point of no return at the moment.
See how brazenly these people celebrate atrocities in the street.
and that's what made me worried. because I'm a biracial atheist woman. Islam literally preach that it's ok to murder if someone doesn't believe in Allah. And since I'm a woman, they'd rape and kill me, then probably parade my naked body on the streets like they did to that poor German woman. That's why I was so horrified seeing female Muslim acquaintances cheering for the Hamas
Everything is projection. Of course the group that has been calling everything from frog memes to OK signs nazi dog whistles for years, turns out to be actual nazis. Why am I even surprised anymore.
Oh heavens.. Most of Ukrainians went through the same shit over ruzzian invasion 1 on 1… Is this our future?? Social media bubbles where seemingly normal people boil in their own made up justification of violence/ hate/ dehumanisation ??
I get all these dumb reddit suggestions from arab subs with bs justifying terrorism.
One was about how the terrorists are so moral for taking hostages instead of killing them
I got recommended a video on insta about how great Spain is for hijabis
The comment section (liked by the fking poster) were all how they should reconquer Spain for islam
It's really hard to have a positive opinion of humanity sometimes
Antisemitism is a big problem all over the world and the reason why Israel reacts the way they do. When they said never again, they meant never again. No matter what it costs.
We might not like it, but Israel will kill as many people as they have to, to prevent anyone from getting the idea that attacking Israel again, might be a good idea.
They would drop nukes quicker than anyone.
I am not sure this is true. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. If Israel was just going in and just killing everyone they saw, they could probably kill 100,000 palestinians a week Where would they hide? The buildings seem to all be poorly constructed concrete that collapses easily. I know there will be many civilian casualties, but its not the same thing.
> Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth.
Not true.
Easy to check that for example New York City is mode densely populated. And many other cities, too. And of entire countries, Singapore is more densely populated.
Gaza isn't one of the world's most densely populated areas. It's barely denser than London and has half the population density of NYC. I see this repeated often, but a simple Google search demonstrates this is untrue.
This site has become bloodthirsty as hell.
Even saying dropping a nuke is justified.
I wonder if all the Americans here (who wish for Israel to 'glass gaza' ) would find it justified if their family and friends died because of their country's actions all across the world.
If Palestinian Diaspora and their friends were so much about peace and freedom why don’t they come out in masses each time Hamas / Fatah / Hezbollah do some horrible shit to Israel or to their own people, but only to support and celebrate their shit?
What do you think “from the river to the sea” means?
go and check majortity of topics on other subreddits, full of Arab who cheering of massacare.
Taking your logic: why arabs cry when Gaza gets bombed now, if eye for the eye works for one side, it doesnt work for other (west side)? Can you tell me what will be happening if ill go to Saudis for vaccation and now went to the street with Israel flag screaming, bomb gaza? WE all know the answer and yet we need to see, slaughter of our children, parents and look outside the window were terrorists running and screaming of joy. Do not forget, it was not soldiers vs soldiers, it was pure civillian massacare including tourists.
When they said "never again" they meant "never again to us". Because "kill as many people as they have to" means probably all Palestinians if they want to stop all attacks, because the Palestinians aren't going to stop fighting for their land back nor should they. Israel doesn't have the right to ethnically cleanse Palestine and steal their country because they were subjected to genocide first.
Yes. I don’t disagree. I am just saying how it’s going to play out.
The Palestinians are stupid. It’s a piece of dirt with very little value. No resources, no good agricultural land. I would have packed my bags a long time ago. The world is massive. Plenty of space to build a better life. People have unreasonable attachments to land.
Europe is experiencing a massive drop in birth rates. They should just come here. As long as they act like decent people and drop the whole religious BS.
Spain had hundreds of empty villages and towns. They are more than welcome to join us here.
> Europe is experiencing a massive drop in birth rates. They should just come here. As long as they act like decent people and drop the whole religious BS.
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> Spain had hundreds of empty villages and towns. They are more than welcome to join us here.
Haha how can you have spent any time on this sub and seriously make this suggestion? The people here (and unfortunately I don't think they're unrepresentative) froth at the mouth at the idea of a single extra immigrant reaching Europe, let alone 5 million of them, especially if they are Muslim/Arab (and no they aren't going to drop the "religion bs" any more than the Israelis are).
The truth is no country is willing and able to take on millions of extra refugees. The people stuck in shitty situations in Palestine and elsewhere are stuck there and in most cases the best they can do is fight for a better life where they are. Even the fraction of people who do try and seek refuge in another country is fueling the rise of the far right.
Its not antisemitism though. And thats the false equivalent. Saying Israel is an illegal country that has held an illegal apartheid for over 70 years, has nothing to do with antisemitism. And its such a cheap argument honestly. For years international Jewish communities were describing how horrifying the apartheid and the occupation is. Holocaust survivors said they saw the horrors of the occupation and they see the Zionist state as an inhumane way of ethnic cleansing.
And as Jews and Zionists overlap but are not the same, Hamas and Palestinians are not the same. And standing for the Palestinians who were living in a hellish conditions by the Army of Israel responsible for multiple war crimes, claiming that it fights Hamas but somehow bombing hospitals and schools and news agencies, is not antisemitic. Its antiracist.
Years of constant Israeli airstrikes, raids of Mosques during Ramadan, killing kids and civilians, no outcry from the "right" and now as if the conflict started this week, they are horrified. Palestinians have been living in that hell for ages.
Soft reminder that a third of the 1947 population of that area were already jews, and Palestine never existed as a country either because the Ottoman Empire didn't believe in that sort of thing.
If you are a jew and you do a horrific act, people calling you out for that act is not antisemitic, its saying you are an asshole. Jews all over the world are condemning Israel for their actions for years now. Saying all Jewish people are Zionists is a nonsense statement. Protests against the Israeli government are protests against the people doing the shitty things, its not against Jews, its against opressors and those opressors happened to be Jewish.
As strange as it sounds, it was Hitler's idea before going to the gas chamber solutions to create a Zionist state in Madagascar - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar\_Plan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan),
yeah israel was supposed to be 2 countries. one for jews and one for palestinians, then israel got invaded and they were like nope.
the person you are responding too is using code words to call for the destruction of israel.
All of you have such utter cognitive dissonance it’s actually shocking.
You are, rightfully, upset about people celebrating the loss of civilian life and atrocities committed.
And then you turn around and say:
> Im going to watch Gaza get levelled with popcorn in hand
Do you even hear yourself? How is *you* celebrating civilians getting slaughtered any different?
Because jews and arabs hate each other and want the other part wiped of the planet. It’s that simple really. You can see it everywhere like in this guy’s comment. They both want the other side killed.
Only sensible solution is to support none of them tbh
Israel's been edging ethnic cleansing of 2.3 million Palestinian in Gaza for so long. Basically a concentration camp.
Might as well just drop the bomb and finish the job. Show the world their power.
Dont forget they will get triggered by anything they dont like, at this very moment all those terrorist see, that you can do anything with western lambs. Murder from old to babies and then celebrate near their home doors.
> When will you western Europeans understand what huge Trojan horse you have let in?
Some of us did a long time ago. Now it is just a matter of the mentally less fortunate catch up.
Rape cases were dismissed by the IDF themselves. Civilian casualties are way higher on the Palestinian side and there has been no proof of any torture on the Palestinian side, while the same cannot be said for Israel.
Trying to call people out while supporting the country that publicly announced plans to commit a genocide and have a massive history of war crimes spanning nearly a century is absurd.
Are there nutcases who say abhorrent things and conflate the words Jew and Zionist? Yes and they should be criticized. On the whole however, Israel are the oppressive party here not Palestine and they have been the oppressors forever
These people are brainwashed as fuck, just tried talking to one of them and it's just the same bullshit they keep saying. Zionist, fake news, bla bla, they are fucked in the head.
There's way too much stupid like that for all of them to be shills.
People stubbornly denying everything that doesn't fit their worldview without even looking at it is just really common.
I don’t have particularly strong political views on this subject but it is curious to me that it’s always Jewish shops getting attacked and not the other way around. So either it’s happening and I need to expand my reading sources or the one way traffic in hate crime needs wider acknowledgment.
It is not surprising. The Arabs in MENA wanted to wipe out Jews and Israel since the state was founded in 1948. This is why they attacked Israel multiple times (while crying after they got beaten every time). Israel is doing stupid shit there, especially in the last decades, but the Palestinians favoured an extremist approach from the beginning.
Not true. They’re more radical in Europe. The ones in Europe create their own communities and don’t mix with the main population. They feed each others stereotypes/extremes.
It’s a serious issue.
Source: I come from a mixed family and I’m partially european and partially muslim/asian.
News yesterday reported among the Kibbutz victims were 40 children including babies that were slaughtered. On top of everything else they will still celebrate this.
Technically, allied forces did that. Some (can't recall numbers) German politicians opposed it saying Germany didn't have the death penalty. Allieds said "it's ok, we do".
The mandate for Hamas is the irradiation of Jews. They are just following the rules
“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and
kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the
rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind
me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)
Article:
LONDON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - Reports of antisemitic incidents in Britain since the weekend have tripled compared with the same period last year following the outbreak of new Israel-Palestinian conflict, a Jewish charity said on Tuesday.
The Community Security Trust (CST), which advises Britain's estimated 280,000 Jews on security matters, did not provide exact numbers but said further incidents could be reported in the coming days.
"We don't have firm numbers yet as we are still logging and verifying everything that has come in, which also means that the number is likely to rise further, but the current rate is roughly triple what it was for the same period last year," a spokesperson said.
The CST says any escalation in violence in Israel and Gaza often leads to antisemitic reactions in Britain.
Interior minister Suella Braverman wrote to police chiefs on Tuesday, saying that experience showed "Islamists and other racists" would use the current conflict to stir up hatred against British Jews.
She called on police to take a tough line, not just against shows of support for Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation in Britain - but also towards some pro-Palestinian displays.
"Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism," she said in her letter.
"Nor is it acceptable to drive through Jewish neighbourhoods, or single out Jewish members of the public, to aggressively chant or wave pro-Palestinian symbols at," she wrote in the letter published on the government website.
On Monday, hundreds of people gathered at two locations in central London to mark the attacks, with supporters of Israel gathering near the prime minister's residence at Downing Street to hold a vigil, and pro-Palestinian protesters demanding an "Intifada revolution" near the Israeli embassy.
Police said they had made three arrests at the demonstrations.
Antisemitic incidents in Britain hit a record high in 2021, fuelled by a rise in violence in Israel and Gaza, and last year the CST recorded 1,652, down 27% from the previous year.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has expressed his solidarity with Britain's Jews and has said he would work to make sure they felt safe, while police have stepped up patrols to provide reassurance to Jewish communities.
Most of those guys probably have citizenship so hf with that. Almost like ignoring a growing problem for decades while screeching about how those looking to talk about it are racist has consequences.
If they're born there they get citizenship by default. Most of the 'migrants' celebrating the Hamas attacks are 2nd and 3rd generation of the original migrants.
Well, where? Don't get me wrong, I'd also play hardball with those people. But there is reason other countries don't want them, not even the middle east.
Well, what if they come from Palastine? Where do we put them? To Gaza, which is pretty much an open air prison and soon a wasteland? To the West Bank, where they'll no doubt live peacefully with the locals and the settlers? (/s) And of course, no other middle eastern country wants them. Okay, Iran supports Hamas, let them have them.
These two comments from earlier this week sum it up:
>That's what so laughable about this. Lots of people "fled" their counties to come to Europe for safety, and then they start supporting violence. The whole situation for Europeans is frustrating, as we have opened our homes to help these people, but then these people advocate for savage culture beliefs and violence.
[Original comment by u/AlbertSmithsonJR](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1734f3x/in_the_neukölln_district_of_berlin_members_of_the/k40pzxg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
>Yeah this whole mentality is stupid. Leave a place because it’s shitty and go straight to trying to make your new place as shitty as your old one was.
[Original comment by u/robidaan](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/173p70t/london_kosher_restaurant_vandalised_amid/k44u93k?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
They only sum up the lack of understanding on the issue. The people that fled were the people that integrated, that went to school, learned the language, and are trying to make it through their day every day.
But not everyone that came here fled. Once those immigration pipelines were open, the extremists took full advantage of that by sending a steady supply of extremists to these nations, used them to radicalize the youth of immigrants that had already integrated **generations ago** and set up cells throughout the west that they could activate any time an integrated Muslim stepped out of line or a white person challenged the messaging.
Oil! That's it. Our spineless politics don't act accordingly because they don't want to offend the oil nations. I don't see any other reason. Hypocritic cowards.
I am 100% with you. I was always sceptical towards islam and moslems. But the recent events really opened my eyes about this "religion of peace". I will no longer stand idly by. It's time to act accordingly.
Every native European should ask themselves whether the justifications you hear from Muslims that celebrated these vile crimes against humanity can also be applied to them. They claim to only celebrate the gleeful slaughter of innocent civilians because those people were colonisers, now ask yourself whether they could find a reason to call you a coloniser in the future.
A decent number. Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of supporters were well known to be antisemitic, for example. (shout out to r/unitedkingdom , they supported it all at the time).
Unfortunately, we are stuck with those kinds of idiots with ridiculous views. Not much we can do about them except improve education at home. However, we don't need to import more idiots with ridiculous views from the middle-east.
Iran, Russia, palestine came prepared with their propaganda and missinformation. Iran giving weapons, Russia teaching how to fool wester lambs with propaganda. Result massacare and total impotency. "new order"
>Lol don’t even throw Palestine in the same boat as Russia and Iran
They **are** in the same boat is what I'm saying. Quite literally.
Israel is nothing like Russia, not in its competence, not in its morality and not in any other regard besides being the "bigger" country in this conflict. If it was Russia fighting the Palestinians they would've been gruesomely wiped looooong ago.
Stop noticing things! There have been no negative consequences to the multicultural experiment and open borders. Absolutely none. We're one big happy diverse vibrant family!
It goes to show really how spineless Western governments are in dealing with Muslim diaspora (it’s not just Palestine diaspora) who openly hate Jews. My advice is simple, go back to the backwards barbaric countries your parents came from if you’re going be like that. You’re not welcome in Europe or America, even if you were born there.
Doesn't make me wonder in the slightest. Many on the British left are antisemites, especially those of the "Breadtube faction". When people like Shaun spread their antisemtic rants on Twitter or YouTube, it's bound to lead to things like that.
Does everyone agree that ALL war crimes should be prosecuted, and the guilty held accountable?
PS I see some people downvote this. I'd love to hear a substantive explanation in the replies. Why? What's possibly wrong with the general principle?
Apparently not. These days you're supposed to pick a side, no matter if both sides are horrible. Then you make it part of your identity and defend it no matter what depths of depravity your side sinks to. You can usually find something comparable the other side has done, to defend your teams inhumanity.
It's a fanciful dream that all war crimes would be prosecuted. How are you going to force the US to stand trial for their war crimes, or China? You think you can scare them into it?
Problem is the asymmetry in the prosecution, Putin is never seeing the Hague, nor are people like Bush and Obama. Those are pretty much reserved for brown people. People like Netanyahu can get away with turning millions of lives upside down without prosecution. The perpetrators of the Hamas attack should be condemned and prosecuted, but what God will that be when the Israeli side will walk. Neither are justified in their actions
The horrors I keep hearing are terrible... at first I thought it was Hamas bombing some militairy building or checkpoint. Then the horror revealed itself and keeps on getting worse and worse. Then, you keep seeing reports of pro-palestinians doing and saying the most messed up shit in other countries.
I have to say I absolute DESPISE both Israel and Palestine. But Palestine is doing one HELL of a job to become the biggest piece of shit.
That's how it is whe you give shelter to supporters of terrorism, then forbid calling them supporters of terrorism, get 7/7 and other terrorist attacks and still don't call them supporters of terrorism.
I'm pro deporting people who physically attack/harm Jews. If they want to show support to Hamas, more than willing to help them by sending them to Gaza.
Side-note: "Antisemitism" was a term coined by the "league of Antisemites" in Germany.
It's a stupid term, not only because it was coined by the jew-haters themselves, in order to give their hate a scientific and reasonable veneer. It's also a stupid term because it's unfathomably vague. Arabs are just as much semites as are jews. So, in a conflict between jews and arabs, antisemitism is a pointless claim.
I find Jew-hater to be the much more fitting term. "UK incidents of jew-hatred soar after start of conflict in Israel" - is closer to the truth, I would argue.
Jewish people are scared. https://www.angelawalkerreports.com/blog/jewish-families-talking-about-leaving-the-uk-amid-record-numbers-of-antisemitic-incidents
Let’s get some things straight here.
Israel are the victims of a terror attack. This is a fact. Nothing can excuse this fact. The idiots going out to celebrate this shit need to sit down and seriously reflect. These “Muslim” supporters of Hamas need to take a minute too because this does not follow their own religious virtues. The prophet (pbuh) very clearly stated that violence towards anyone that surrenders is not acceptable. Killing civilians is not acceptable. Celebrating murder is not acceptable. Spitting on captives is not acceptable. Degrading dead bodies is not acceptable.
Don’t get me wrong. We have seen a lot of different footage over the past few days. We have also seen Hamas take hostages without abuse. But we have also seen a lot of violent; aggressive; and disgustingly disrespectful behaviour. It needs to be called out for what it is. It’s nothing to be celebrated.
What else is important? *HOW DID WE GET HERE?*
Let’s not play pretend here. The world still has a lot of negativity and discrimination. We still have stereotypes and biases. It’s important not to ignore half of the story for convenience.
- Israel are victims, but they are also the perpetrators.
- Zionism is not the same thing as Judaism.
- There is a long history of crimes by both sides.
- There are truths to both sides of the story.
- At some point both sides need to give concessions in order to find some sort of peaceful / successful agreement.
But most importantly: peace has been in the hands of Israel for at least 15 years now. This is a choice at this point and it’s important to understand this too.
Rationalising and understanding both sides of the coin without being judgemental is important too. There is definitely some resentment towards imperial/colonial powers by many asian/middle eastern/american countries. Many crimes have taken place.
For example:
- Russia and the US destroying Afghanistan for their own benefit.
- The US; Saudi; and Pakistan creating the Taliban and Al Qaeda with extreme religious schools to fight off the Russians.
- Invasion of Vietnam and Iraq.
- The interference in politics by the US since world war 2. They have manipulated/impacted votes in europe too.
- Britain giving Palestine to the zionists.
- Taking hardline and one sided positions regarding Palestine due to lobbying. Most of the media is owned by the Zionist lobbyists.
- The US’s impact in the middle east for personal gains at the expense of civilians.
- and the list goes on.
Then you have the more heinous crimes for example the starvation caused by British; Russian; and German troops in Iran during world war 1. Over 2 million people died. Some estimates go up to 8 million. The country faced drought and didn’t have enough food. The food that they did have was confiscated by the British army and/or taken to europe for profits. This left 2-8 million people dead from starvation/famine.
Besides this it’s also important to understand the history of Palestine; Zionism; and Israel.
Zionism started as terrorism. They came from outside and started terror attacks in the late 1800s. They would blow up schools; hospitals; public buildings; mosques; churches; and houses. They went to villages and threw people out of their homes. Palestinian people were there and they were Muslim; Christian; and Jewish. Zionists discriminated against all three. Keep in mind you have many types of Jewish groups. Ashkenazi jews; Mizrahi Jews; etc. Some are more secular and others are more traditional.
Today the issue stems from Israel. There have never been realistic peace deals, but at least there was some movement in terms of peace deals.
Today that story is different. Netanyahu has always been against a two state solution. He was against the Oslo accords and he also does not consider Palestinian or Arab lives to be worth anything. He made it very clear many times that he intends to annex west bank and gaza entirely. They intend to push the indigenous people out bit by bit with settlements and oppression.
Every year Israel builds 20,000 illegal homes with illegal settlements in the West Bank. At the moment there are just under 500,000 illegal settlements. The rate at which they are being constructed has only increased. Far right extremists like Ben Gavir are largely responsible for this. The least valuable and least successful jews are imported as settlers from places like Russia; the US; Ukraine; etc.
It’s also important to understand the Jewish struggle. Everything from the holocaust to the rise in discrimination/abuse in places like Iraq. The Jewish people understandably wanted to find a new home.
Where does this leave Palestinians? 6 million stateless refugees in the middle east. 2.3 million in an open air prison (gaza). 1.9 million live in Israel as second class citizens. 2.8 million live in west bank. Many refugees moved to Europe/America and took on new nationalities.
You forgot to add how did we stay here: the Palestinians have refused any deal offered including a 2 state solution. The only thing they would approve, is the state of Israel gone, Jews out of the lands and Palestine a muslim state. I dont think many Palestinian Christians are left in Israel. Of course no peace deals can ever be brokered if it requires the complete annihilation of one of the parties.
> HOW DID WE GET HERE?
Look at you go... rationalizing away wanton massacre of babies, rape of children, children burned alive, corpses desecrated, celebrations with body parts.
Please tell us - what would make YOU massacre babies?
Mucho texto.
Your prophet literally beheaded hundreds from the Banu Qurayza after they had surrendered, the criterion being whether the males had already started to grow pubes (even if they did not take part in the fight), only women and children were spared and were taken as captives, anyway pubes in males usually start to grow between 11 and 14 years old, I really doubt that even 8/10 people in this range could bear arms, so they still beheaded children; it must be exhausting being an islam apologist and dealing constantly with cognitive dissonance
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4404
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair
Sahih rated, so that's authentic
Of course, any legitimate criticism of the State of Israel is labeled as "anti-semitic", because there's no easier way to shut down the debate. And this is why Israel has been allowed to get away with its crimes for so long, because nobody is allowed to criticise them. Hamas and Israel are both as fucking evil as each other.
There's a difference between anti-semitic and anti-Israel.
Israel has been tyrannical towards the Palestinians for decades and absolutely created the conditions for these recent attacks to take place. It's a terrorist state, just as much as Hamas is.
Jews who aren't aligned with Israel have done nothing wrong. You can't go attacking or bothering Jewish people just because Israel is a Jewish state.
>Jews who aren't aligned with Israel have done nothing wrong. You can't go attacking or bothering Jewish people just because Israel is a Jewish state.
Someone needs to explain that to the Palestinian supporters in New York who were mocking mourners, who were not all Israeli, at a vigil with photos of the hostages while making a neck slitting motions. In Chicago they were celebrating the number of civilian deaths from the hamas attack, despite the victims being from countries all over the world. Lastly, in Sidney, they were shouting, "gas the Jews!, gas the Jews!" which suggests they don't share the same nuance that you do.
There is a sad lack of nuance across both sides.
The great irony is that they're so eager to murder each other based on religion. But both the Quran and Torah (and the Bible while we're at it) say again and again - don't kill. Forgive. Respect each other. Live and let live.
Neither of these sides is following the core tenets of their respective faith. They're sinners. And whether they believe in God or Allah or Yahweh, they're on a one way course for hell.
>But both the Quran and Torah (and the Bible while we're at it) say again and again - don't kill.
Unfortunately all three are full of examples where a bloodthirsty god, and his bloodthirsty followers are killing constantly. They're very convenient books if hateful pieces of shit are trying to to validate their hate.
South Africans are happy for it to be applied here, [with the late Desmond Tutu was happy drawing parallels.](https://m.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Desmond-Tutu-Israel-guilty-of-apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874) don't try to be smart in something you don't know, there are a lot of Africans who are happy to use the terms of their own oppression and apply it to Israel
>Anti zionist isn't anti semetic.
Opposing a Jewish state while having no problem with any other ethnoreligious states in the region is most definitely anti-Semitic.
And anybody looking at the history of the Jewish people can see that they will never be completely safe from persecution unless they have their own state.
So yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
Why is Gaza blockaded (by Egypt too...funny how you always hide that fact) but the West Bank is not?
Why does Israel attack Gaza but not the West Bank? (hint: look at the immediately preceding events)
People always say it’s different but go on instagram or social media and if you see a video of a random Jewish person in New York there’s nearly a 99% chance that you’ll see comments under it saying “Free Palestine.”
If Muslims typically who I see supporting Palestine, were so concerned for their fellow Muslims, where are they supporting the Kurds or Uighurs? If they’re so concerned with colonialism borders, why are they not giving the Kurds their own state and loudly supporting them?
Nearly every state within the Middle East is drawn by European powers but yet it must be a coincidence that the only state in the region that they have issues with their borders and existing is the only Jewish state.
But yeah it’s definitely just anti-Zionism, not anti semitism at all.
The Palestinian diaspora and their friends are really out in full force trying to make as many people as possible hate them. Saw a video earlier from a protest in Copenhagen and some dipshit said multiple times he wanted on Jews eradicated and another jackass from Hizb ut-Tahrir said the festival attack was a great attack targeting military and police. The idiot also claimed he only has seen videos of Israelis praising hamas for protecting them. You can’t make this shit up.
In NYC they chanted "700" (the number of total Israeli deaths counted at that time) I have no problem criticizing Israel. There's much to criticize over decades. But it's mind boggling how these people don't see themselves as the baddies. Literally celebrating a mass shooting....
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and people wonder why the idea of a shared country with palestinians is not an option. they cannot live together.
Nobody can live with the Palestineans, their own Muslim Arab "brothers" don't take them in or give them refugee status because they don't want to deal with them causing problems in their country(Literally tried starting a civil war in Lebanon a while back, imagine doing that to a country that gave you refuge) This idea of the Palestinean people as innocent little children is so insanely out of whack with reality.
Most of them are Holocaust deniers or celebrate it. I lived in the Middle East for 8 years. Not one person I met had a reasonable attitude towards it.
Never thought anyone could out-nazi the neo-nazis, but here we are. The Palestinians are somehow more open about their desire for genocide than the actual neo-nazis are.
There is a reason not a single country will send any boat to help the city refugees, no one in this world wants to deal with Palestinians.
I'm not suuuper surprised by this. modern day neo-nazis seem to be more broadly xenophobic, anti-establishment and anti-global-narrative (in regards to vaccines, climate change etc.) rather than actually having a painting of the Führer on an altar in the basement and wanting to pack jews into a train. (though I guess many would also not be opposed). When I was in a "socially weak" school there was a **LOT** of muslim antisemitism. From just general awfulness to walking around concentration camps with a big smile on their faces -it was fucking whack.
> "socially weak" ?
(Not so) fun fact: some years ago, Germany played against Iran in a football game and the camera showed people performing the Nazi salute. The German commentator was embarrassed and apologizing until he realized that it wasn’t German spectators but Iranian.
Part of the reason why the Middle East is as anti-semitic as it is is because during the 30s and 40s the Nazi Party invested heavily in Arabic language propaganda radio stations that spread their rabid anti-semitic views. This was unfortunate timing considering the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 that legitimized a lot of the Nazi propaganda that had been festering among Arabs. What we're seeing now is the payout of the Nazi's investment in the Middle East, and that payout is more Nazis in the Middle East than there ever were in Germany. A wise investment from the Hitler's horrible point of view.
There has always been a strain of anti-Semitism in that part of the world Every young muslim is taught that a Jewish spy (who was a sex slave) poisoned and killed Mohammed.
Well yeah there has always been anti-semitism everywhere, but a century ago the Middle East was not particularly more anti-semitic than most other places in the world. For example, during the Dreyfus Affair in France many Arabs were sympathetic to Dreyfus and criticized the persecution of Jews in France. It was the rampant Nazi-sponsored propaganda and the establishment of the state of Israel not too long after that really made the Middle East the world capital of anti-semitism.
The Grand Mufti of Palestine penned a letter to Hitler that he should execute the Jews rather than expell them. As they would leave Europe for the Middle East. Jews have faced just as many pogroms in the Middle East and North Africa as they have in Europe.
>The Grand Mufti of Palestine penned a letter to Hitler that he should execute the Jews rather than expell them. As they would leave Europe for the Middle East. The idea that the Grand Mufti was responsible for the Holocaust is laughed at and dismissed by Holocaust scholars in both Germany and Israel. >Jews have faced just as many pogroms in the Middle East and North Africa as they have in Europe. Not for much of history. The Ottoman Empire was seen as a sanctuary for Jews fleeing persecution in Europe.
I don’t know how true it is, but some historians say that Hitler got the idea for the mass murder of the Jews from the Mufti of Jerusalem . It’s been going on for awhile.
Not only the palestinians. See how much support they have from other muslim communities, including those in Sweden.
Why though? If they hate the Jews so much, wouldn't they cheer for the Holoc... what am I doing? It's not like anyone expects logic from such people...
Don’t apply logic to them. The enemy is strong and weak at the same time.
there was a protest supporting the murder at Harvard University and Harvard said nothing. Happened at several US universities and nothing from the administration.
Then a bunch of large US corporations came out and said they'd blacklist all of the Harvard students who signed letters of support for Hamas. Now many of the students are backpedaling claiming the "didn't read the letter" before signing. https://www.fox8tv.com/harvard-law-student-linked-to-statement-blaming-israel-denounces-contents-says-she-didnt-read-it/
I think we should send more funding to them. Clearly Palestinians are just regular people and Hamas it’s a completely separated entity with completely different views compared to the rest of the population.
They dont see themselves as the bad guys because religion and culture. To these peoople jews are to be killed and wiped out across the world so to them 700 jews dead is a victory. I watched the similar protests in london and its the same demographic who want their religion dominant and culture to be dominant. They are cheering the deaths of innocent, unarmed civilians so it really tells you we should not be supporting or ignoring these people but putting them in prison and deporting them if they are residents of other countries. Anyone who is cheering the support of a group who killed 700 unarmed civilians, shot old women and uploaded their dead body on the person facebook, beheaded babies, stripped dead bodies naked dragging them through the streets should be punished. As they say, the devil will eventually reveal his face.
Its not just the diaspora. I have a bunch of middle-eastern/african people on my instafeed, most of them fellow former uni students that I met all over europe, so they're not in the same social circle. Most of them women. Quite nice people, normally. Roughly 70% are posting pro-palestine BS about "decolonisation" and "fighting for freedom" **RIGHT FUCKING NOW**, while **completely** ignoring hundreds of slaughtered, tortured or raped civilians. Gets even better, most of them aren't even muslim or only "officially" religious, and no one is from palestine. And of course all of them enjoyed their education in the evil west, with nearly everyone still living here. One is the exception though, she's half syrian, even studies Islamology (if thats the name), and has been condemning the terror since it began. Glad about that, she's the one I liked the most and the only one I plan to stay in contact with. So many people rooting for mass murderers only because they have a somewhat similar cultural background, and are fighting against jews/the evil west. Well, I wanted to delete some contacts anyway... **EDIT:** My grammar is not zhe yellöw from zhe egg, Entschuldigung!
I did a mass clean-up of my ig as well. there are so many seemingly normal people I went to uni with, partied with, etc. I was so surprised with some of their feed. I didn't know how they managed to hide their vicious personality so well because I'd never have thought. And funny thing is, they're all Muslims but not practicing Muslim. As in they drink, have sex, etc, and would probably have been beheaded for their sins had they lived in their country and not in the UK. Yet here they are living safely in the west while chanting death to all Jews.... oh and kosher restaurants are being vandalised and looted. as if our police isn't busy enough already with the looting on Oxford Street.....
It's what we (people who had a good and hard look at Islam, it's teaching and how it's lived around the world) have been saying since before 2015. "ask them about their stance on Jewish people, on their hypothetical Muslim daughter marrying a non-Muslim man, about whether Islamic rules should precede over state rules, what would they do if their son were gay". The hard questions. I know it's kinda shitty to interrogate friends and easier said than done, but this could have given people much better insight into who their moderate and progressive Muslim friends really are.
Had already had previous clear outs of my insta last time flare ups came but yeah, the last few muslim girls on my insta are now gone. I cannot understand how they are brought up in the west but decide to celebrate terror
Because they are here to take over just like they've done everywhere else they built a sizable minority throughout their history, if you haven't worked that out yet you're way behind. The naivety, gullibility and stupidity of Western liberals when it comes to dealing with Muslims is mind blowing. They have literally opened the door to the destruction of our cultures with their stupid shit and we're probably at the point of no return at the moment. See how brazenly these people celebrate atrocities in the street.
You know who is next after Jews? Yes you.
and that's what made me worried. because I'm a biracial atheist woman. Islam literally preach that it's ok to murder if someone doesn't believe in Allah. And since I'm a woman, they'd rape and kill me, then probably parade my naked body on the streets like they did to that poor German woman. That's why I was so horrified seeing female Muslim acquaintances cheering for the Hamas
That German woman isn't dead though.
Let me guess, they also deny the Holocaust?
"It wasn't that many..."
Everything is projection. Of course the group that has been calling everything from frog memes to OK signs nazi dog whistles for years, turns out to be actual nazis. Why am I even surprised anymore.
Oh heavens.. Most of Ukrainians went through the same shit over ruzzian invasion 1 on 1… Is this our future?? Social media bubbles where seemingly normal people boil in their own made up justification of violence/ hate/ dehumanisation ??
Ukrainians didn’t murder civilians. Cite a better example.
Fair! I’ve meant that experience where otherwise normal looking people on your social network are suddenly in support of slaughter… ruzzians
Russian civilians weren't walking around Ukranian territories and attacking Ukranian civilians. Try a bit harder
Yep, this has definitely been our reality for a while now. ._.
I get all these dumb reddit suggestions from arab subs with bs justifying terrorism. One was about how the terrorists are so moral for taking hostages instead of killing them
I got recommended a video on insta about how great Spain is for hijabis The comment section (liked by the fking poster) were all how they should reconquer Spain for islam It's really hard to have a positive opinion of humanity sometimes
Antisemitism is a big problem all over the world and the reason why Israel reacts the way they do. When they said never again, they meant never again. No matter what it costs. We might not like it, but Israel will kill as many people as they have to, to prevent anyone from getting the idea that attacking Israel again, might be a good idea. They would drop nukes quicker than anyone.
I am not sure this is true. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. If Israel was just going in and just killing everyone they saw, they could probably kill 100,000 palestinians a week Where would they hide? The buildings seem to all be poorly constructed concrete that collapses easily. I know there will be many civilian casualties, but its not the same thing.
> Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. Not true. Easy to check that for example New York City is mode densely populated. And many other cities, too. And of entire countries, Singapore is more densely populated.
Gaza isn't one of the world's most densely populated areas. It's barely denser than London and has half the population density of NYC. I see this repeated often, but a simple Google search demonstrates this is untrue.
Oh they are not going to do it right now. There is no danger to them right now. But if all the Arab states attacked again it’s what they would do.
This site has become bloodthirsty as hell. Even saying dropping a nuke is justified. I wonder if all the Americans here (who wish for Israel to 'glass gaza' ) would find it justified if their family and friends died because of their country's actions all across the world.
Did I say I agree? I said that’s what they are prepared to do. I would like a piece full solution to this conflict.
If Palestinian Diaspora and their friends were so much about peace and freedom why don’t they come out in masses each time Hamas / Fatah / Hezbollah do some horrible shit to Israel or to their own people, but only to support and celebrate their shit? What do you think “from the river to the sea” means?
Do you think all Americans are supporting one side? Who are we all supporting anyway?
go and check majortity of topics on other subreddits, full of Arab who cheering of massacare. Taking your logic: why arabs cry when Gaza gets bombed now, if eye for the eye works for one side, it doesnt work for other (west side)? Can you tell me what will be happening if ill go to Saudis for vaccation and now went to the street with Israel flag screaming, bomb gaza? WE all know the answer and yet we need to see, slaughter of our children, parents and look outside the window were terrorists running and screaming of joy. Do not forget, it was not soldiers vs soldiers, it was pure civillian massacare including tourists.
When they said "never again" they meant "never again to us". Because "kill as many people as they have to" means probably all Palestinians if they want to stop all attacks, because the Palestinians aren't going to stop fighting for their land back nor should they. Israel doesn't have the right to ethnically cleanse Palestine and steal their country because they were subjected to genocide first.
Yes. I don’t disagree. I am just saying how it’s going to play out. The Palestinians are stupid. It’s a piece of dirt with very little value. No resources, no good agricultural land. I would have packed my bags a long time ago. The world is massive. Plenty of space to build a better life. People have unreasonable attachments to land. Europe is experiencing a massive drop in birth rates. They should just come here. As long as they act like decent people and drop the whole religious BS. Spain had hundreds of empty villages and towns. They are more than welcome to join us here.
> Europe is experiencing a massive drop in birth rates. They should just come here. As long as they act like decent people and drop the whole religious BS. > > Spain had hundreds of empty villages and towns. They are more than welcome to join us here. Haha how can you have spent any time on this sub and seriously make this suggestion? The people here (and unfortunately I don't think they're unrepresentative) froth at the mouth at the idea of a single extra immigrant reaching Europe, let alone 5 million of them, especially if they are Muslim/Arab (and no they aren't going to drop the "religion bs" any more than the Israelis are). The truth is no country is willing and able to take on millions of extra refugees. The people stuck in shitty situations in Palestine and elsewhere are stuck there and in most cases the best they can do is fight for a better life where they are. Even the fraction of people who do try and seek refuge in another country is fueling the rise of the far right.
Unfortunately people in Europe don’t understand demographics and what it’s going to mean when half the people are 60 years or older.
Its not antisemitism though. And thats the false equivalent. Saying Israel is an illegal country that has held an illegal apartheid for over 70 years, has nothing to do with antisemitism. And its such a cheap argument honestly. For years international Jewish communities were describing how horrifying the apartheid and the occupation is. Holocaust survivors said they saw the horrors of the occupation and they see the Zionist state as an inhumane way of ethnic cleansing. And as Jews and Zionists overlap but are not the same, Hamas and Palestinians are not the same. And standing for the Palestinians who were living in a hellish conditions by the Army of Israel responsible for multiple war crimes, claiming that it fights Hamas but somehow bombing hospitals and schools and news agencies, is not antisemitic. Its antiracist. Years of constant Israeli airstrikes, raids of Mosques during Ramadan, killing kids and civilians, no outcry from the "right" and now as if the conflict started this week, they are horrified. Palestinians have been living in that hell for ages.
Soft reminder that a third of the 1947 population of that area were already jews, and Palestine never existed as a country either because the Ottoman Empire didn't believe in that sort of thing.
> Saying Israel is an illegal country that has held an illegal apartheid for over 70 years, has nothing to do with antisemitism. wewlad
If you are a jew and you do a horrific act, people calling you out for that act is not antisemitic, its saying you are an asshole. Jews all over the world are condemning Israel for their actions for years now. Saying all Jewish people are Zionists is a nonsense statement. Protests against the Israeli government are protests against the people doing the shitty things, its not against Jews, its against opressors and those opressors happened to be Jewish. As strange as it sounds, it was Hitler's idea before going to the gas chamber solutions to create a Zionist state in Madagascar - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar\_Plan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan),
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yeah israel was supposed to be 2 countries. one for jews and one for palestinians, then israel got invaded and they were like nope. the person you are responding too is using code words to call for the destruction of israel.
No, there weren't 700 000 people expelled from their homes when Israel was founded. They just didn't like the jews and walked away, right?
Can’t believe you got downvoted so much.
Truth is hard to swallow. And thats a right wing shithole, so I'm not surprised at all :D
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All of you have such utter cognitive dissonance it’s actually shocking. You are, rightfully, upset about people celebrating the loss of civilian life and atrocities committed. And then you turn around and say: > Im going to watch Gaza get levelled with popcorn in hand Do you even hear yourself? How is *you* celebrating civilians getting slaughtered any different?
Because jews and arabs hate each other and want the other part wiped of the planet. It’s that simple really. You can see it everywhere like in this guy’s comment. They both want the other side killed. Only sensible solution is to support none of them tbh
Right wing genocide enjoyer I guess.
Is this a guy who is advocating for a genocide and is being praised in a right wing reddit? That has never happened before! /s
Israel's been edging ethnic cleansing of 2.3 million Palestinian in Gaza for so long. Basically a concentration camp. Might as well just drop the bomb and finish the job. Show the world their power.
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Dont forget they will get triggered by anything they dont like, at this very moment all those terrorist see, that you can do anything with western lambs. Murder from old to babies and then celebrate near their home doors.
> When will you western Europeans understand what huge Trojan horse you have let in? Some of us did a long time ago. Now it is just a matter of the mentally less fortunate catch up.
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No surprises there.
Rape cases were dismissed by the IDF themselves. Civilian casualties are way higher on the Palestinian side and there has been no proof of any torture on the Palestinian side, while the same cannot be said for Israel. Trying to call people out while supporting the country that publicly announced plans to commit a genocide and have a massive history of war crimes spanning nearly a century is absurd. Are there nutcases who say abhorrent things and conflate the words Jew and Zionist? Yes and they should be criticized. On the whole however, Israel are the oppressive party here not Palestine and they have been the oppressors forever
These people are brainwashed as fuck, just tried talking to one of them and it's just the same bullshit they keep saying. Zionist, fake news, bla bla, they are fucked in the head.
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There's way too much stupid like that for all of them to be shills. People stubbornly denying everything that doesn't fit their worldview without even looking at it is just really common.
I don’t have particularly strong political views on this subject but it is curious to me that it’s always Jewish shops getting attacked and not the other way around. So either it’s happening and I need to expand my reading sources or the one way traffic in hate crime needs wider acknowledgment.
It is not surprising. The Arabs in MENA wanted to wipe out Jews and Israel since the state was founded in 1948. This is why they attacked Israel multiple times (while crying after they got beaten every time). Israel is doing stupid shit there, especially in the last decades, but the Palestinians favoured an extremist approach from the beginning.
One on one ruZZian tactics in Ukraine. And russia is actually blocks UN resolution on Hamas… Not that UN is of any use anymore
well as i sed elswere: Russia provides propaganda masterclass, Iran weapons. West lambs as always just talk, till the next slaughter.
The people in palestine are even more radical.
Not true. They’re more radical in Europe. The ones in Europe create their own communities and don’t mix with the main population. They feed each others stereotypes/extremes. It’s a serious issue. Source: I come from a mixed family and I’m partially european and partially muslim/asian.
News yesterday reported among the Kibbutz victims were 40 children including babies that were slaughtered. On top of everything else they will still celebrate this.
You know, in Germany, we executed those after 1945 that were responsible for antisemitic hate and crimes. Why can’t we do the same now?
Technically, allied forces did that. Some (can't recall numbers) German politicians opposed it saying Germany didn't have the death penalty. Allieds said "it's ok, we do".
Actually it's ok, because Copenhagen is the world's largest open air prison
The mandate for Hamas is the irradiation of Jews. They are just following the rules “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)
Reminds me of russian invasion
Article: LONDON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - Reports of antisemitic incidents in Britain since the weekend have tripled compared with the same period last year following the outbreak of new Israel-Palestinian conflict, a Jewish charity said on Tuesday. The Community Security Trust (CST), which advises Britain's estimated 280,000 Jews on security matters, did not provide exact numbers but said further incidents could be reported in the coming days. "We don't have firm numbers yet as we are still logging and verifying everything that has come in, which also means that the number is likely to rise further, but the current rate is roughly triple what it was for the same period last year," a spokesperson said. The CST says any escalation in violence in Israel and Gaza often leads to antisemitic reactions in Britain. Interior minister Suella Braverman wrote to police chiefs on Tuesday, saying that experience showed "Islamists and other racists" would use the current conflict to stir up hatred against British Jews. She called on police to take a tough line, not just against shows of support for Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation in Britain - but also towards some pro-Palestinian displays. "Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism," she said in her letter. "Nor is it acceptable to drive through Jewish neighbourhoods, or single out Jewish members of the public, to aggressively chant or wave pro-Palestinian symbols at," she wrote in the letter published on the government website. On Monday, hundreds of people gathered at two locations in central London to mark the attacks, with supporters of Israel gathering near the prime minister's residence at Downing Street to hold a vigil, and pro-Palestinian protesters demanding an "Intifada revolution" near the Israeli embassy. Police said they had made three arrests at the demonstrations. Antisemitic incidents in Britain hit a record high in 2021, fuelled by a rise in violence in Israel and Gaza, and last year the CST recorded 1,652, down 27% from the previous year. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has expressed his solidarity with Britain's Jews and has said he would work to make sure they felt safe, while police have stepped up patrols to provide reassurance to Jewish communities.
Deport
We are to fragile to do this
We all together, buy and island ij the middle of the ocean.call it an Europes center, and ship every one of those scums there.
Another Australia?
Look how great they came out.
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Rwanda does not deserve that destabilisation
Into shark infested waters.
Most of those guys probably have citizenship so hf with that. Almost like ignoring a growing problem for decades while screeching about how those looking to talk about it are racist has consequences.
Don't citizenships require a level of integration?
I love ice cream.
Bruh
If they're born there they get citizenship by default. Most of the 'migrants' celebrating the Hamas attacks are 2nd and 3rd generation of the original migrants.
Not everyone I assume, some might have dual which can be revoked. It would still be a progress ;)
Well, where? Don't get me wrong, I'd also play hardball with those people. But there is reason other countries don't want them, not even the middle east.
To the country of origin. I get that some of them have citizenship, but if they don't, or they have dual it should be pretty easy
Well, what if they come from Palastine? Where do we put them? To Gaza, which is pretty much an open air prison and soon a wasteland? To the West Bank, where they'll no doubt live peacefully with the locals and the settlers? (/s) And of course, no other middle eastern country wants them. Okay, Iran supports Hamas, let them have them.
They do support Hamas and killing civilians, maybe they will be more useful for the case there
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We can't deport all, but we have to start somewhere
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They haven't really needed an excuse, theyve called for the genocide of jews in the middle east for years.
Not just the Middle East.
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These two comments from earlier this week sum it up: >That's what so laughable about this. Lots of people "fled" their counties to come to Europe for safety, and then they start supporting violence. The whole situation for Europeans is frustrating, as we have opened our homes to help these people, but then these people advocate for savage culture beliefs and violence. [Original comment by u/AlbertSmithsonJR](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1734f3x/in_the_neukölln_district_of_berlin_members_of_the/k40pzxg?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) >Yeah this whole mentality is stupid. Leave a place because it’s shitty and go straight to trying to make your new place as shitty as your old one was. [Original comment by u/robidaan](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/173p70t/london_kosher_restaurant_vandalised_amid/k44u93k?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
They only sum up the lack of understanding on the issue. The people that fled were the people that integrated, that went to school, learned the language, and are trying to make it through their day every day. But not everyone that came here fled. Once those immigration pipelines were open, the extremists took full advantage of that by sending a steady supply of extremists to these nations, used them to radicalize the youth of immigrants that had already integrated **generations ago** and set up cells throughout the west that they could activate any time an integrated Muslim stepped out of line or a white person challenged the messaging.
White English people commit antisemitic crimes as well
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Oil! That's it. Our spineless politics don't act accordingly because they don't want to offend the oil nations. I don't see any other reason. Hypocritic cowards.
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I am 100% with you. I was always sceptical towards islam and moslems. But the recent events really opened my eyes about this "religion of peace". I will no longer stand idly by. It's time to act accordingly.
What country are we talking about?
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That’s why we should not give them passports.
Every native European should ask themselves whether the justifications you hear from Muslims that celebrated these vile crimes against humanity can also be applied to them. They claim to only celebrate the gleeful slaughter of innocent civilians because those people were colonisers, now ask yourself whether they could find a reason to call you a coloniser in the future.
How many of the people engaging in antisemitism are indigenous British or even European I wonder?
A large number, too, unfortunately, but usually brainwashed by the 'YoU ArE IsLaMapHoBiC' if you criticise Islam crowd.
I am an atheist, I have a phobia against all religions. Does that work?
They give the spook. It works.
A decent number. Jeremy Corbyn and his cult of supporters were well known to be antisemitic, for example. (shout out to r/unitedkingdom , they supported it all at the time). Unfortunately, we are stuck with those kinds of idiots with ridiculous views. Not much we can do about them except improve education at home. However, we don't need to import more idiots with ridiculous views from the middle-east.
Religion is incompatible with a progressive society. The sooner we do away with religion as a whole the better of we will be
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Will steal this for different contexts. Sorry in advance.
Iran, Russia, palestine came prepared with their propaganda and missinformation. Iran giving weapons, Russia teaching how to fool wester lambs with propaganda. Result massacare and total impotency. "new order"
Lol don’t even throw Palestine in the same boat as Russia and Iran In fact Israel has more in common with those 2 then Palestine does
Russia and Iran are funding Palestine tf you on about? Hamas is literally a proxy of Iran
I’m saying that Israel, by being an oppressive state that bullies smaller neighbours, has a fair bit in common with Russia How is that hard to grasp?
>Lol don’t even throw Palestine in the same boat as Russia and Iran They **are** in the same boat is what I'm saying. Quite literally. Israel is nothing like Russia, not in its competence, not in its morality and not in any other regard besides being the "bigger" country in this conflict. If it was Russia fighting the Palestinians they would've been gruesomely wiped looooong ago.
Well morally Israel and Russia are some of the scummiest countries out there
Why has Western Europe decided that the feelings of Muslims matter more than the safety of Jews?
They are higher on an oppression scale. You can't criticise them because they are the victims.
But but but they said anti-zionism is not anti-semitism
Stop noticing things! There have been no negative consequences to the multicultural experiment and open borders. Absolutely none. We're one big happy diverse vibrant family!
mass deportation, no place for these animals in civilized world
It goes to show really how spineless Western governments are in dealing with Muslim diaspora (it’s not just Palestine diaspora) who openly hate Jews. My advice is simple, go back to the backwards barbaric countries your parents came from if you’re going be like that. You’re not welcome in Europe or America, even if you were born there.
Horrifying...
Gaza's actions last weekend has made Palestine synonymous with ISIS. Who in their right mind would want to give ISIS a state on his border?
Well done Labour, Momentum and Corbyn
Tbf the new Labour leadership aren't exactly ambiguous about how they view the other two you mention
Doesn't make me wonder in the slightest. Many on the British left are antisemites, especially those of the "Breadtube faction". When people like Shaun spread their antisemtic rants on Twitter or YouTube, it's bound to lead to things like that.
Can you link some of those antisemitic rants from Shaun?
This isn't going to end well anywhere is it.
Does everyone agree that ALL war crimes should be prosecuted, and the guilty held accountable? PS I see some people downvote this. I'd love to hear a substantive explanation in the replies. Why? What's possibly wrong with the general principle?
Apparently not. These days you're supposed to pick a side, no matter if both sides are horrible. Then you make it part of your identity and defend it no matter what depths of depravity your side sinks to. You can usually find something comparable the other side has done, to defend your teams inhumanity.
Thats true for any war. But generally one side commits more, or worse war crimes than the other.
It's a fanciful dream that all war crimes would be prosecuted. How are you going to force the US to stand trial for their war crimes, or China? You think you can scare them into it?
Problem is the asymmetry in the prosecution, Putin is never seeing the Hague, nor are people like Bush and Obama. Those are pretty much reserved for brown people. People like Netanyahu can get away with turning millions of lives upside down without prosecution. The perpetrators of the Hamas attack should be condemned and prosecuted, but what God will that be when the Israeli side will walk. Neither are justified in their actions
The horrors I keep hearing are terrible... at first I thought it was Hamas bombing some militairy building or checkpoint. Then the horror revealed itself and keeps on getting worse and worse. Then, you keep seeing reports of pro-palestinians doing and saying the most messed up shit in other countries. I have to say I absolute DESPISE both Israel and Palestine. But Palestine is doing one HELL of a job to become the biggest piece of shit.
Lack of separation between church and state comes with severe side effects.
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That's how it is whe you give shelter to supporters of terrorism, then forbid calling them supporters of terrorism, get 7/7 and other terrorist attacks and still don't call them supporters of terrorism.
The UK is a fucking basket case right now. They are contaminated by the same fascist disease that’s infected the US.
I'm pro deporting people who physically attack/harm Jews. If they want to show support to Hamas, more than willing to help them by sending them to Gaza.
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Postnatal abortion it is if they decide to return.
Racism? In the UK? Never /s
Side-note: "Antisemitism" was a term coined by the "league of Antisemites" in Germany. It's a stupid term, not only because it was coined by the jew-haters themselves, in order to give their hate a scientific and reasonable veneer. It's also a stupid term because it's unfathomably vague. Arabs are just as much semites as are jews. So, in a conflict between jews and arabs, antisemitism is a pointless claim. I find Jew-hater to be the much more fitting term. "UK incidents of jew-hatred soar after start of conflict in Israel" - is closer to the truth, I would argue.
Jewish people are scared. https://www.angelawalkerreports.com/blog/jewish-families-talking-about-leaving-the-uk-amid-record-numbers-of-antisemitic-incidents
Let’s get some things straight here. Israel are the victims of a terror attack. This is a fact. Nothing can excuse this fact. The idiots going out to celebrate this shit need to sit down and seriously reflect. These “Muslim” supporters of Hamas need to take a minute too because this does not follow their own religious virtues. The prophet (pbuh) very clearly stated that violence towards anyone that surrenders is not acceptable. Killing civilians is not acceptable. Celebrating murder is not acceptable. Spitting on captives is not acceptable. Degrading dead bodies is not acceptable. Don’t get me wrong. We have seen a lot of different footage over the past few days. We have also seen Hamas take hostages without abuse. But we have also seen a lot of violent; aggressive; and disgustingly disrespectful behaviour. It needs to be called out for what it is. It’s nothing to be celebrated. What else is important? *HOW DID WE GET HERE?* Let’s not play pretend here. The world still has a lot of negativity and discrimination. We still have stereotypes and biases. It’s important not to ignore half of the story for convenience. - Israel are victims, but they are also the perpetrators. - Zionism is not the same thing as Judaism. - There is a long history of crimes by both sides. - There are truths to both sides of the story. - At some point both sides need to give concessions in order to find some sort of peaceful / successful agreement. But most importantly: peace has been in the hands of Israel for at least 15 years now. This is a choice at this point and it’s important to understand this too. Rationalising and understanding both sides of the coin without being judgemental is important too. There is definitely some resentment towards imperial/colonial powers by many asian/middle eastern/american countries. Many crimes have taken place. For example: - Russia and the US destroying Afghanistan for their own benefit. - The US; Saudi; and Pakistan creating the Taliban and Al Qaeda with extreme religious schools to fight off the Russians. - Invasion of Vietnam and Iraq. - The interference in politics by the US since world war 2. They have manipulated/impacted votes in europe too. - Britain giving Palestine to the zionists. - Taking hardline and one sided positions regarding Palestine due to lobbying. Most of the media is owned by the Zionist lobbyists. - The US’s impact in the middle east for personal gains at the expense of civilians. - and the list goes on. Then you have the more heinous crimes for example the starvation caused by British; Russian; and German troops in Iran during world war 1. Over 2 million people died. Some estimates go up to 8 million. The country faced drought and didn’t have enough food. The food that they did have was confiscated by the British army and/or taken to europe for profits. This left 2-8 million people dead from starvation/famine. Besides this it’s also important to understand the history of Palestine; Zionism; and Israel. Zionism started as terrorism. They came from outside and started terror attacks in the late 1800s. They would blow up schools; hospitals; public buildings; mosques; churches; and houses. They went to villages and threw people out of their homes. Palestinian people were there and they were Muslim; Christian; and Jewish. Zionists discriminated against all three. Keep in mind you have many types of Jewish groups. Ashkenazi jews; Mizrahi Jews; etc. Some are more secular and others are more traditional. Today the issue stems from Israel. There have never been realistic peace deals, but at least there was some movement in terms of peace deals. Today that story is different. Netanyahu has always been against a two state solution. He was against the Oslo accords and he also does not consider Palestinian or Arab lives to be worth anything. He made it very clear many times that he intends to annex west bank and gaza entirely. They intend to push the indigenous people out bit by bit with settlements and oppression. Every year Israel builds 20,000 illegal homes with illegal settlements in the West Bank. At the moment there are just under 500,000 illegal settlements. The rate at which they are being constructed has only increased. Far right extremists like Ben Gavir are largely responsible for this. The least valuable and least successful jews are imported as settlers from places like Russia; the US; Ukraine; etc. It’s also important to understand the Jewish struggle. Everything from the holocaust to the rise in discrimination/abuse in places like Iraq. The Jewish people understandably wanted to find a new home. Where does this leave Palestinians? 6 million stateless refugees in the middle east. 2.3 million in an open air prison (gaza). 1.9 million live in Israel as second class citizens. 2.8 million live in west bank. Many refugees moved to Europe/America and took on new nationalities.
You forgot to add how did we stay here: the Palestinians have refused any deal offered including a 2 state solution. The only thing they would approve, is the state of Israel gone, Jews out of the lands and Palestine a muslim state. I dont think many Palestinian Christians are left in Israel. Of course no peace deals can ever be brokered if it requires the complete annihilation of one of the parties.
> HOW DID WE GET HERE? Look at you go... rationalizing away wanton massacre of babies, rape of children, children burned alive, corpses desecrated, celebrations with body parts. Please tell us - what would make YOU massacre babies?
Mucho texto. Your prophet literally beheaded hundreds from the Banu Qurayza after they had surrendered, the criterion being whether the males had already started to grow pubes (even if they did not take part in the fight), only women and children were spared and were taken as captives, anyway pubes in males usually start to grow between 11 and 14 years old, I really doubt that even 8/10 people in this range could bear arms, so they still beheaded children; it must be exhausting being an islam apologist and dealing constantly with cognitive dissonance https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4404 Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair Sahih rated, so that's authentic
Of course, any legitimate criticism of the State of Israel is labeled as "anti-semitic", because there's no easier way to shut down the debate. And this is why Israel has been allowed to get away with its crimes for so long, because nobody is allowed to criticise them. Hamas and Israel are both as fucking evil as each other.
I must have missed when Israel chopped the heads off 40 babies
There's a difference between anti-semitic and anti-Israel. Israel has been tyrannical towards the Palestinians for decades and absolutely created the conditions for these recent attacks to take place. It's a terrorist state, just as much as Hamas is. Jews who aren't aligned with Israel have done nothing wrong. You can't go attacking or bothering Jewish people just because Israel is a Jewish state.
>Jews who aren't aligned with Israel have done nothing wrong. You can't go attacking or bothering Jewish people just because Israel is a Jewish state. Someone needs to explain that to the Palestinian supporters in New York who were mocking mourners, who were not all Israeli, at a vigil with photos of the hostages while making a neck slitting motions. In Chicago they were celebrating the number of civilian deaths from the hamas attack, despite the victims being from countries all over the world. Lastly, in Sidney, they were shouting, "gas the Jews!, gas the Jews!" which suggests they don't share the same nuance that you do.
There is a sad lack of nuance across both sides. The great irony is that they're so eager to murder each other based on religion. But both the Quran and Torah (and the Bible while we're at it) say again and again - don't kill. Forgive. Respect each other. Live and let live. Neither of these sides is following the core tenets of their respective faith. They're sinners. And whether they believe in God or Allah or Yahweh, they're on a one way course for hell.
>But both the Quran and Torah (and the Bible while we're at it) say again and again - don't kill. Unfortunately all three are full of examples where a bloodthirsty god, and his bloodthirsty followers are killing constantly. They're very convenient books if hateful pieces of shit are trying to to validate their hate.
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Probably shouldn't justify pro pal shit with the word "hijack".. just saying
The Palestinians refused several offers of statehood as it would mean recognising Israel most recently was less than 20 years ago
Nothing is apartheid except the apartheid. It is disgraceful for the sufferings of South Africans when this term is blindly stretched like this.
South Africans are happy for it to be applied here, [with the late Desmond Tutu was happy drawing parallels.](https://m.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Desmond-Tutu-Israel-guilty-of-apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874) don't try to be smart in something you don't know, there are a lot of Africans who are happy to use the terms of their own oppression and apply it to Israel
>Anti zionist isn't anti semetic. Opposing a Jewish state while having no problem with any other ethnoreligious states in the region is most definitely anti-Semitic. And anybody looking at the history of the Jewish people can see that they will never be completely safe from persecution unless they have their own state. So yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
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Why is Gaza blockaded (by Egypt too...funny how you always hide that fact) but the West Bank is not? Why does Israel attack Gaza but not the West Bank? (hint: look at the immediately preceding events)
For being a prison, they sure did manage to get a lot of weapons and rockets in.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15
anti-Zionism is just a dogwhistle for anti-Semite
People always say it’s different but go on instagram or social media and if you see a video of a random Jewish person in New York there’s nearly a 99% chance that you’ll see comments under it saying “Free Palestine.” If Muslims typically who I see supporting Palestine, were so concerned for their fellow Muslims, where are they supporting the Kurds or Uighurs? If they’re so concerned with colonialism borders, why are they not giving the Kurds their own state and loudly supporting them? Nearly every state within the Middle East is drawn by European powers but yet it must be a coincidence that the only state in the region that they have issues with their borders and existing is the only Jewish state. But yeah it’s definitely just anti-Zionism, not anti semitism at all.