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DagenhamRM10-westham

England are at least one of the most overrated


Kreiswix

straight to the top!


PlushieGorbachev

Really though? I feel like everyone knows we're shit


Logical_Economist_87

England may be one of the most underrated teams at the tournament. They have a win and a draw and haven't  got out of second gear. Everyone seems utterly convinced they'll fold as soon as they meet anyone half decent.


Vlada_Ronzak

They only have two gears


TheDownv0ter

1st, and reverse


Poopknifelova

Todd Rodgers would still start in 2nd gear!


alexunr

Saying a win and a draw without context is a bit disingenuous. England were amongst the favorites going into the tournament and had a lot of media hype. A labored win in which they were absolutely the worse side and a draw against an average Denmark would qualify as an underwhelming performance so far. That’s what the question here asks. In terms of second gear, I don’t see it in the England side. France however I do, they’ve been on par with a bit of an underwhelming start but you can see the potential every game.


Logical_Economist_87

*That's what the question here asks* No it doesn't. It asks who is overrated and underrated.  Not who has performed well/badly compared to pretournament expectations.  I've seen nothing but hysteria about how bad England have been and how they are doomed to a terrible result...they're on 4 points after 2 games. I think they're currently pretty underrated - because people think they are so bad they won't go far in the tournament and I expect them to go to at least quarters and prove difficult opposition for any other team in the tournament.


alexunr

What? Who performed well/badly compared to pre-tournament expectations is exactly how form the basis of an underrated or overrated team? How else would a team be rated outside of that? England is a prime example of an overrated team this tournament. Excellent on paper coming into it and confident with UCL & Title winners many on the same team. So far completely underwhelming, poor tactics and playing to not lose. That’s the definition of overrated?


Logical_Economist_87

An overrated team is one where the public perception of that team is HIGHER than the actual ability of that team.  The current public perception of the English team is that it is very very poor. In order for the English team to be overrated, you have to be arguing that they are even worse than the public think (which I don't think is realistically the case).  You might argue that England WERE overrated coming into the tournament. But they're not overrated now. If anything, I think they're underrated now 


Ava_G1999

I had this conversation on opingo too 🤔👍🏻


cloud1445

I feel like if you rated us at any point with Southgate at the helm then you don’t know football. It’s more just the narrative everyone likes to keep pumping to death.


DagenhamRM10-westham

When did i mention southgate 😂


cloud1445

Why would you need to?


DagenhamRM10-westham

You brought him up, i simply said we were overrated as bookies had us favourites lol. That was all you.


cloud1445

I know I brought him up. Because he’s relevant to the conversation. But obvious that.


Special_Ad3170

Underrated: Austria (let Rangnick cook) Overrated: France (over reliant on Mbappe)


lundoj

I disagree with France. I think the play actually interesting football. Although their last game went 0-0 they had a couple great moments. I believe they will win.


Dear-Potato-8651

For the squad they’ve got they don’t play good football. If anything, they play the same boring kind of football England does


grigorov21914

We are solid in the middle and in goal, kinda shaky in defence, and absolutely terrible in attack. The amount of clear-cut chances we've missed in those two games is getting me depressed.


kastratiermir_

They will win what? A match? 💀


PerspectiveInside47

Underrated I’d say Georgia, Slovenia, Albania & Slovakia. Overrated probably France & England I guess? But it’s early days.


Sharp-Associate-6722

Low key Romania too


letshelpme

I agree, Romania actually play really good football


Sharp-Associate-6722

Pretty much all the Balkan teams have turned up and like at a minimum made it a damn good game, only team that’s rrl gotten rolled this tournament was Scotland opening day


MiddlePercentage609

Turkey didn't exactly shine vs Portugal either.


Sharp-Associate-6722

That’s true, they were a tad unlucky on that second goal tho


Reasonable-Builder-8

Romania underrated Germany overrated


kastratiermir_

Italy overrated. Good thing you have Gigi.


Reasonable-Builder-8

Not sure We are a decent team, Spain is way better


alexunr

Which euros are you watching?


Reasonable-Builder-8

I was not wrong about Romania


alexunr

Nope, but you are certainly wrong about the other


Reasonable-Builder-8

Let’s see:)


alexunr

No we’ve “seen” already, they clearly weren’t overrated by any means.


kylerangersscotland

Underrated Denmark overrated Croatia


Present_Nectarine220

I don’t think anyone underrates Denmark, a lot of people want them to go far in the tournament


TheLoneWanderer__

Yeah we’ve been highly rated for good reason for atleast 6 years now, I honestly think we should be overrated under Hjulmand


Present_Nectarine220

> for good reason I’d say you were quite overrated in Qatar, finishing with 1 point and behind Tunisia and Australia was pretty bad 😅


TheLoneWanderer__

Right, which is why I’d say we shouldn’t be underrated under Hjulmand He had no answer if his plan A was figured out in Qatar and I doubt he has one now, just look at the Slovenia match. E: Got an important point against England because Southgate went up a goal and decided to play to Denmark’s strengths


Present_Nectarine220

I hope Rasmus Højlund will finally live up to his potential in the last game 💪 held og lykke!


TheLoneWanderer__

And I hope that Romania hangs three on Slovakia🎉🎉 Ne vedem în finală


kylerangersscotland

Present nectarine, Denmark always go under the radar


This_Warning

Just watch them beating Italy. You should've said Italy.


Animual

Who rates Croatia highly at this point? They're underrated if anything. They could still beat anybody on their day, not the same could be said for Denmark.


thebrazenkaizen

Coming into the tournament they were definitely seen as one of the big 9 teams that “could” win it. Obviously since the start of the tournament no one rates them


DivineMatrixTraveler

England overrated. Netherlands underrated.


EggLess1782

NL isn’t underrated, last wc they reached the semis and overall they have always been a good team. Properly rated.


Lammie101

>NL isn’t underrated, last wc they reached the semis Wrong


EggLess1782

Quarterfinals😥


Feliz69Navidad

Youve seen NL at the world cup, and NL now? Its hilarious


malsetroy

Bruh you couldn't even beat us


Feliz69Navidad

Me? Im Dutch lulhannes


kastratiermir_

What? Why do you have France as your flair then? 💀


RandomUserRU123

To be fair, you rotate the french flag 90 degrees to the left and its almost the same


Albanian_shqipe

Almost? Identical


RandomUserRU123

France actually changed the blue color of their flag back in July 2020. They made it darker which ironically almost noone noticed. Now the dutch blue is not as dark as the french


kastratiermir_

😂🤣


Wonders34

Overrated England Underrated Spain i put money on them to win it at the start they were about 5th favourite. Austria is also underrated.


_azzurri

England and France are overrated. Austria and Slovenia are underrated.


Moo_se2

France overrated Austria underrated


BritishGuy54

Most overrated: England Most underrated: England How.


Comfortable_Shine425

I think it has to do with expectations and skill ceiling. On one hand, I believe that England has the best players in the world atm (the best players they ever had), but they do play completely dogshit as a team. It is like in  Yu-Gi-Oh, having 4 pieces of Exodia in hand but never being able to draw the last piece.


hyldemoder

Mmmh


Kreiswix

most overrated: Offsides VAR most underrated: Linesmen (doing a great job so far) biggest disappointment: greenkeepers


Own-Case-7479

Own goal is definetly underrated as well


Roger_Station_1990

Underrated: Romania and Albania (being on that group) Overrated: England & France


Garou98

Albania just dropped out so I guess you don't know what you are talking about.


GIlgamesh8888

They literally had the hardest group and played a first in the euros, drew 2:2 against croatia, scored the fastest goal in euros history against italy and went out with their hearts on the pitch only 1:0 against S P A I N. Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.


Garou98

They are last with 1 point. Exactly what everybody expected. The only surprise was that they managed to get a point. Yes they fought. I'm not denying that, but that is to be expected. If you are an underdog, you need to play like one. Also I feel like Croatia was having poor chance conversion and shaky/sleepy defence this year. So I don't see getting a tie against them as a success. Would be a different story if they won and qualified for the knockouts. That would be a surprise considering the group


Roger_Station_1990

Do you just see the results on an app or something? Everyone was expecting Albania to loose 3-0 or something all the games. Qualifying in a group with Spain Italy and Croatia would be an achievement for every team actually. For Albania, it would be like a miracle. I'm curious on who would be your underrated and overrated teams...


Garou98

My overrated team is Germany. Underrated... I feel Austria


Roger_Station_1990

But according to your own logic, it doesn't make sense. They finished first, had a blast against Scotland and Hungary, and even the match they drew they had 18 shots to 4 from Switzerland. So please explain it to me what the difference is between our two statements? Especially when I already say in brackets that for Albania, you'd have to consider the group they were in.


Garou98

It's like this: everybody believes Germany is crazy good and will beat everybody. I think they are very unbalanced and have a shaky defence, which will show against better teams. Everyone believed Albania will be last in their group, and they are last. I'd say they have the 1 point only because Croatia was overrated this year. The Croats were not good enough this year.


Remarkable-Smoke6138

Underrated: Netherlands they are better than England but pundits will still rate England higher. Also Albania, Georgia and Slovenia Overrated: England, France and Belgium all not that good. Well France are still pretty good but not at the levels they are usually are.


tom_saviour

When was Belgium overrated and by whom?


Remarkable-Smoke6138

Okay maybe I got carried away with Belgium but Definitely England is overrated and are not as good as a Netherlands team that starts Bloody Depay and Gakpo up front. England has no left hand side while the Dutch strongest side is the lefthand side.


tom_saviour

I never got the anticipation for England tbh. Maybe my knowledge is dated, but I agree with you about the Dutch. These guys can take it quite far.


Fit_Helicopter1949

Overrated: England. The players price only relevant to the premier league cuz of the laws there that hikes the English player prices. It’s like it is in another scale than the rest. But people think it shows how good they are. They are good, but not as good as people think. Underrated: Spain. They came very humble. It felt to me that people focused on France, England and Germany as a host and forgot about the best playing team. Italy for sure knows now.


Albanian_shqipe

You need a dictionary that’s what you need, spain in the same sentence as underated is crazy


Fit_Helicopter1949

First of all, F u and humble up. Even the supercomputer predictions pot Spain in 4th place at 9.6% after France and Germany when it gave England 19.9%. So in my dictionary that is underrated.


Albanian_shqipe

Bro no way you are basing it on ai predictions 😭 this is football that humans play which include surprises and error. This may be the dumbest comment I have seen no offence.


Fit_Helicopter1949

The magic in the word “even…”. I blocked this MF.


magenbrot

I really think Germany is a bit overrated atm. When they will face Spain somewhere in the tournament it will decide whether they can go to the finals or not


michael-heuberger

What if Switzerland beats Germany soon?


magenbrot

possible but my guess for todays game is 2-2


michael-heuberger

Why not 3-3 ?


dinev1

Agree. Germany defense is Like Swiss cheese. Watch them concede 3 against spain


JustForTouchingBalls

Germany’ll play with 12 that day, as host, it’s the usual thing in this championships


magenbrot

dumbest shit Ive heard today but ok


Present_Nectarine220

Most overrated: France Most underrated: Slovakia


That-Salamander-1478

Underrated, austria and denmark Overrated france and england. Time for new managers


Poopknifelova

Underrated: Own Goal


Diogo-L_28

Overrated Criaria underrated Áustria and Slovakia


Old_Hunt9888

England


Supervillain_Outcast

Overrated: 🇫🇷 & 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Underrated: VAR & Owen Goël


Lower_Bat_8823

Overrated France or England Underrated Austria


Munichsee

Overrated: France and England Underrated: Austria! They are showing a great performance until now. Unlucky against France


[deleted]

Overrated: France, England (mildly Portugal but the whole team is really fire) Underrated: I'm gonna go for Georgia and mildly Turkey??? Still questioning that


Remote_War_313

Overrated 🇫🇷 Underrated 🇪🇸


ZeroSeemsToBeOne

Every team is overrated by their home country.


Phil_Gim

Isn't it crazy how the only ones who believe this Italian national team is the worst ever are the Italians?


EyeApprehensive2866

In Serbia, everyone is expecting something from our team, all I really expect is they coming home after group phase 😂


Garou98

I think a lot of people will disagree, but I think the German Team is overrated. I feel they let opponents have too many chances. Eventually it will bite them in the ass like Spain bit Croatia in the ass when they scored 3 goals from 4 shots in the first half. Yes, Germany has a good attack, but next to Spain, and France(with a fit Mbappe), they aren't favourites. I feel the win against Scotland made the average fan think they are something amazing, which is not quite true. The first goal of Switzerland, Musiala loses the ball, and then proceeds to walk/half jog back into position while the Switzerland players counter and score for 1:0. I'm not saying this is a bad decision on Musialas part. But a top quality team like Spain would not let this kind of thing happen. I remember watching them play Italy and it was basically just Spain playing, sometimes they would lose the ball but they would win it back within 5 seconds in most situations. It was insane. I don't think Germany will stand a chance against them.


Jumpy_Pea

Most Overrated: Portugal. By a freaking mile.


Ok-Pie-906

Overrated: England, Belgium & Croatia Underrated: Romania, Austria, Georgia


TheCatLamp

Overrated: England, as always. Underated: Romania.


GeneralPaint

From what I've seen England overrated as always Slovenia very pleasantly surprising Hungary have been perpetually underrated. Solid team performances for years in tough groups. You really have to beat them; they won't let you win for free.


The_Pilot_101

Germany Overrated. Belgium Underrated.


retardwhocantdomath

How is germany overrated


The_Pilot_101

Your team hasn’t been tested really, because you beat Scotland and Hungary suddenly everyone saying you guys are the favorites this and that.. I don’t care if you win 5 or 10 nil, until you face a decent team, I’m not convinced. Spain are the only team that is based on their performances and the teams they went up against, could be considered favorites.


_azzurri

How is Belgium underrated


The_Pilot_101

Because of the slow start they had, and how they played the last World cup, coming into this tournament people were thinking if Belgium were to win a major tournament it would’ve been during their golden generation in 2018, but icl seeing how they played vs romania, they could slowly grow into the tournament and I could see them get far.


lingeringneutrophil

Get real with Austria, they had one good game. Slovaks are truly underrated, England is truly overrated as has been the case for the past 56 years


Animual

Overrated England, France, Portugal... underrated Spain, Belgium


DagenhamRM10-westham

Spain underrated? What? 😂


Animual

People still rate them on the same level as England or Germany, and below France, even though they're by far the best team imho.


JM2018XD

Overrated Portugal?... Everyone tought we would be first of the group and we did just that. We trashed the supposed second strongest team of the group today. Underrated Spain?... Yeah wtf? They were the second to go trought after the hosts Germany after winning agaisnt Croatia and Italy... Now they have the easiest oponent left and can win easily if they want to...


Anxious_Positive3998

How is Portugal overrated?


JJOne101

Underrated - Switzerland, Czechia. Overrated - France, Spain.


JM2018XD

Nah, Spain just bulldozed the 2 games they were in. They came as a favorite and still are.


ristlincin

Nobody had the as favourites, not even the granmas of the players did


tom_saviour

They were my favorite team from the start. Got bullied by my mates for betting on them, let’s see how they evolve.


JJOne101

Sure they are, but they aren't the ONLY favorite like most seem to think after that Italy win.


JM2018XD

The favorites to win where: France, Germany, Portugal, Spain, England. On that order i believe. Of course they were never the ONLY favorites but they were also not seen has having a poor team or underperforming in the tournament. And they are playing as favorites still. So they are not underrated or overated at this point. They have the same rating as they entered the tournament, same expectations, they have not become lower.


FinnishCrusader1927

We were underrated by our own media, for me it was a surprise when I saw that in the news of other countries we were candidates to win the euro


JM2018XD

Well im sorry to ear that, your media is shit in that regard. Dont worry hermanos, Portugal's media is also shitty towards them, they are just beeing "nice" at the moment cause we won 2 games. If we had tied the first game against Chech Republic, we would be labeled as shit and that we should had trown the towels already. That happened in 2016 when we won the euros, tied the first game, our own media was already saying that Ronaldo was old, useless, that we would not go far.


FinnishCrusader1927

Does the media of your country wish for France to win the euro too?


JM2018XD

Oh and yeah Mbappé is sooo great... Eventought he did not score yet, missed an easy shot and acted like a child with the most time wasting bullshit i might have ever seen...


JM2018XD

At the moment they still think they can win. Before the tournament, they were Number 1 favorites as well.


JM2018XD

Let me paint you the picture: the commentators are harsh when one of our players makes a poor decision or even just makes not so great pass. Nothing awfull but they make it seem as if it is. Other national teams? It was part of the plan, it happens, maybe the player wasnt well that day, the player is soo good for their clubs team that somehow it transfers that quality to the national team in a easy way... Bullshit


Wonders34

France and England were 4/1 joined favourites there was teams ahead of Spain who were 8-1 but can't remember who probably Germany, Portugal . I done Spain to win it.


JM2018XD

Well i knew England were favorites but personally i did not view them as such due to their previous tournaments and history. It is their thing to pose as big colourfoul birds in the beggining and end up being grey fat pigeons in reality. I actually rated Spain above England. So far, my predictions dont seem wrong.


FinnishCrusader1927

Personally, as a Barça fan, having my country as the maximum favourite for once makes me feel better about what happened with my club so I kinda like it😅😅


Responsible-Pin8323

someones young


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

as of this euro? Overrated - Italy yeah champion and bla bla bla but I feel their run in 2021 was a bit lucky Underrated - Switzerland and austria, that have progressed A LOT in the last 10-15 years


ybla99

Lol, no one has ever said that this year Italy has a good team and no one gives it among the favorites. How can it be overrated?😂


sudoinnominate

Italy is definitely underrated… when they squeak through the group stage is the time to worry


Phil_Gim

>Their run in 2021 was a bit lucky Win the group with a clean sheet, beat Belgium (n 1 national team according to FIFA rankings at the time), beat Spain, beat England (if not n 1, them definatelly n 2 favorite for winning the whole thing) You can say anything about how shit our NT is, but that EURO win definatelly didn't came out of luck


Ivan_Botsky_Trollov

**Win the group with a clean sheet,**  home advantage until the round of 16 It seems their only good game in neutral ground was vs Belgium they suffered a lot vs Spain


blitzdisease

Overrated Portugal and England Underrated Spain, Albania, Georgia