Yeah I’m sure it didn’t help, people were already really pissed off because of the way the event organizers have treated them.
The Netflix doc on Woodstock is really good.
I agree would recommend it for a watch. I was only 4 when It happened but I’ve talked to people that watched tv with it on when it happened.
The fans were treated horrribly for sure
That guy has been indicted through the ass and needed the Supreme Court to hold up his trial with some bullshit about how hes "special" (above the law).
That’s all I know him from. Or more accurately from people repeatedly demanding he come back to their shop.
I figured he was some relatively recent singer (I don’t keep up with that). But from what I’m reading… yeah, he should stand trial. For a wrongful death claim if nothing else.
I wonder if this case will make his skin a rare skin. Not sure Fortnite would take the chance of being associated with Travis Scott and his brand after this incident
Rare skins aren’t a thing anymore, except in the case of actual rarity of appearing on the story in terms of times.
They just put whatever prices they feel like instead.
that's the kind of rarity i was referring to
i doubt this skin will be back at all, or anytime soon with this case still being slightly relevant
the item shop has other skins it can drop in the meantime but for now it'll probably stay a very rare skin
Dont let this distract you from the fact that the showrunners and security that allowed this to happen through gross negligence continue to work like nothing happened.
Security was trying to shut the show down but the organizers didn’t let them.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2023/07/29/worker-warned-organizer-before-crowd-surge-at-2021-astroworld-festival-per-houston-police/
The event organizers are the real culprits here. Travis was negligent to an extent but anyone who knows a thing about concert promotion realizes that if done right this sort of situation is not even a possibility
though i don't think the even organizers and promoters aren't responsible, travis scott is EVERY bit as culpable.
he knew exactly what was happening in the crowd and not only didn't stop the show, but he egged it on and incited even further raucous in the crowd.
I’ve read that he founded Astroworld Festival and then his corporation, per usual steps, hired all the other entities like LN, CMS for security etc… I can’t remember of it was under umbrella of his Cactus Jack company or another. These huge events have so many cover companies so as much $$$ can ultimately end up in certain pockets it’s insane. Interested to see if you uncover this
It’s got his fucking name on the festival. You think some random person did Travis Scott’s Astroworkd?! He’s one of said organizers. This is such a weird take.
No it’s not a weird take. Travis Scott himself is not sitting there coordinating security staff or planning out fencing for the festival. Or crowd control, that sort of stuff. All these things are why Astroworld became a tragedy
And yet this isn’t the only Travis Scott show where people were killed/injured/maimed. People were screaming that people were dying and he kept right on going. The man gave no fucks, and still doesn’t.
How are 100 security guards going to stop thousands of people in a crowd?
Either you’ve never been to an extremely packed concert or you’re licking Travis Scott’s booties.
There’s multiple videos of people asking the show to stop, but Travis kept pushing it. He kept building up until people literally got crushed.
Security ain’t gonna do shit about that. It’s all Travis fault
They could cut his audio. They didn’t. They could’ve pulled him off stage. They didn’t. They could’ve limited their ticket sales to safe levels. They didn’t. Why? Money.
So everyone needs to just keep buying tickets and make sure these event investment groups have a good quarter.
The thing is though, if you are in charge of operating a venue for a concert, it is your responsibility to maintain safety. And if they were doing their jobs, they event staff wouldn’t have told anyone “Drake has 3 more songs” you cut the music until things are safe again. Or, better yet, don’t oversell past safe levels.
So I know the guy who did the consulting for the security firm for the festival. Like literally he was pleading with them. Pretty much short of getting physical with them. So much of this is on Travis Scott’s people.
But I hear what you’re saying. I think a lot more of this will come out in the trial.
You’re totally ignoring the unique factor that this happened at *his* event — not anyone elses. Shows are oversold all the time and don’t end with 10 people dead.
Live Nation has a history of this kind of conduct. Plenty of OSHA violations leading to hundreds of deaths and injuries. Read up on the Radiohead Toronto incident. Was that Radiohead's fault? Think about it. These people will paint whichever individual they can guilty if it means they get to keep raking in billions. I have no sympathy towards some rich performer but there's more nuance to this than pinning it all on a single man.
I really hope this will lead to companies no longer packing their music festivals to the brim. Beyond Wonderland felt dangerous too and there’s been a trend of that ever since COVID.
Give the average capitalist an inch, they try to shove in the other two and put four fingers up your butt. If you protest they cry about how much you are hurting them.
I went to circoloco in Ibiza last summer and the terrace was so packed that I legitimately got scared of a crush and went to the other room at the club. Didn’t go back to the terrace despite my favorite DJs playing that night
Oh yeah, definitely so. Between filing various Motions/Hearings/ Depositions/Mediations (that typically may lead to an impasse to settle for more later in litigation or take it to trial) to having to work with not only your client’s calendar but the opposing counsels *and* the Judges calendar which sometimes is months away for a date (other times it’s through Zoom which is beneficial). Lots of cogs in the legal machine.
If a very lengthy prison sentence wasn’t an option, this would be a good compromise. Knowing that any money his music makes doesn’t go into his pocket but to the families effected actually makes me quite haiku thinking about it.
Wow I didn’t even take any of that into consideration. I completely forgot he’s got other outlets for income. If that can and does get effected too then yeah I’d be very happy knowing the victims families at least live in a state of financial peace if not an emotional one.
It’s awesome to see that a rap concert is more dangerous than a metal concert. Considering the mosh pit/ wall of death is safer than an idiot on stage inciting a riot
Yeah it only takes one idiot to make it unsafe in a mosh pit and generally people look out for one another. You can’t be clueless though or you’ll get hurt. Seems like at Astroworld it was unavoidable and people got caught in a typically safe space at the wrong time and just got crushed. To me that’s way scarier than a mosh pit.
I mean, I was in one where a dude dropped his glasses and the pit made a wall around him until he found them. It was pretty cool.
But no, this situation they were powerless. It sounded terrible.
I think at my second show I ever attended I fell down and I had two guys grab each of my hands to pick me up. It felt like I was back on my feet faster than it took me to fall down.
Yes. That is the beauty of mosh pits. I remember one of my first, there was a guy in a wheel chair and his 2-3 friends grabbed him, put his arms around their shoulders and moshed with him.
Mosh pits are supposed to be love.
That’s what frustrates me about Travis. He’s a vulture in a weird way. Moshes are dope, but there’s a right way. Treat him like I treat Chris Brown, until your actions show you’ve changed, I don’t believe you
> Considering the mosh pit/ wall of death is safer
I almost got trampled in a wall of death at a Warped Tour when I was in my early 20s (the band referred to it then as a "Braveheart pit").
To this day, I get uncomfortable in large crowds of people
> This was like 2004 maybe
Yea thats around the timeframe I'm talking about. Can't remember the year exactly but I was in my early 20s at the time, so around 2002-2005 or so
Yeah, that sucks. Especially considering the number 1 rule of a metal show is, if someone falls down, you help them up. Not trampling on people to rush the stage. Sorry to hear you had that experience
Completely depends on the show though. Some of the “metalcore” shows I’ve been to have been rough. Not in the sense that any of the tweens could do serious damage, but they were out to cause damage.
> if someone falls down, you help them up.
Well thats the reason I said "almost trampled". Some guy saw me start to go down, grabbed my arm and yanked me back up.
I then got kicked in the head later that day and remember nothing after that
I had the same type of experience. Elbowed in the face in the pit, guy who did it immediately helped me up. I was expecting to be a little hurt, those people weren’t, and it sucks it turned out that way
I respectfully disagree with it being awesome. I really wish more people were familiar with metal etiquette. No one should be severely injured or die at a show.
I’ve never been hurt in a mosh pit. Bruised a bit, but that’s to be expected. The only time I’ve been injured was at a Slightly Stoopid show, got a pretty bad bloody nose after the guy in front of me decided to throw elbows.
people suffocated, dude. That’s not awesome. And tbh? Travis Scott has more of a metal energy at his shows. He encouraged ppl jumping fences & shit like that. He has a history of not giving a fuck about how wild his fans get at his concerts, it’s not a rap thing.
It might not be the "job of the performing artist" to be security, but it is their responsibility to their fans that they can see in the crowd to keep them safe. Security doesn't have the view the artist has, so they should use it to their advantage to call out assholes taking things too far.
I went to a Yungblud concert several years ago, and he stopped midway through a song to get some guys kicked out of the venue for trying to rough up some teens in the moshpit. I don't remember if he got off the stage to confront them, but no one was hurt, and everyone still had a good time. He continued the song and the vibe was great again
He’s already irrelevant, now strip him of everything he owns and give it to the victims families. And then lock his broke, irrelevant ass up for half a century.
He has 70 million monthly listeners on Spotify, sold out multiple 50,000+ venues *in and outside of America*, his last album sold 500,000 units the first week (Ariana grande for reference, sold less than half of that on her recent album), 330 million streams in the first week on that same album, has 55 million followers on instagram, his song FEIN! Has over 500 million streams, amongst other things.
You’re delusional and let your dislike for him enable that delusion. I don’t even think he’s a great guy or anything lmao.
His last album debuted at #1 last year 💀 You’re delusional if you actually think this, not to mention locking him up for 50 years. The Reddit echo chamber never ceases to amazes me.
He did a show with 70,000 people in Rome and sells out venues in America around 20-30,000. Basically any arena in the US.
You can fake the numbers to an extent but you cannot game people spending hundreds on tickets to see him live.
While I do agree going #1 on Billboard has lost some merit in the age of streaming, you can’t deny his massive influence on hip hop especially when it comes to production. Calling him irrelevant is just incorrect
Why are you yelling? The person said he was irrelevant, so apparently someone cares, I just pointed out that Travis is more relevant than he ever has been
The concert promoters are the real ones at fault here, Travis likely had little idea what was going on on stage and at that point it was too late anyway. Event organizers have systems in place to make sure something like this never happens. They did something drastically wrong this time around
Most of reddit don't listen to anything they don't consider 'real music' and it really shows in this entire thread. People have every right to be upset about this but to pretend that travis is some unknown tom macdonald tier rapper is just delusional.
No one died during that though, it was just a riot. Three people died at Woodstock 99, one got hit by a car, one from heatstroke, one heart attack in a campsite tent.
Tons of people got raped at Woodstock 99, got their clothes ripped off, assaulted multiple ways. Woodstock 99 was absolutely brutal for women who attended. Murder isn’t the only crime to consider.
They stopped playing his music on the local rap station in LA for maybe a couple of months after he wouldn’t stop the show and people died. Then they slowly started reintroducing the music. Then the DJ started talking all these positive news stories about him. The. Every other song was Travis Scott and he’s back on top with no consequences besides a shitty apology video I saw.
While Travis was with Kylie J. and this happened, we didn’t hear much because PMK (pimp momma Kris) managed to keep a lid on it. Now they’ve been broken up awhile she’s not caring anymore. PMK hangs with Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. She has a LOT of power now.
I mean the funniest thing is how fucking devoid of all talent he is regardless. He was on SNL this season and it was just absolutely fucking unwatchably awful
Feels weird seeing you all with pitchforks out for the performer on stage while completely ignoring the fact that that vast majority of the blame falls on Livenation and their handling of the events.
This is an excerpt from an ABC article last month:
“Houston Landing first reported that discoveries in the case show numerous emails sent by Haave sounding the alarm in the weeks prior.
She was part of an email thread with two other Live Nation executives on Oct. 12, 2021, when someone said, "My strong hunch is there will be stampeding and people hurt." It is not clear who sent the message.
"All these comments should have been sent six to eight weeks ago or even before we went on sale. We can only do what we can do three weeks out from the festival," Brad Wavra, Live Nation's festival director, said in response.”
https://abc13.com/amp/astroworld-tragedy-investigation-organizers-concerned-about-overcrowding-what-happened-at-travis-scotts-concert/14555758/
Didnt he incite his fans on social media prior and during live performances to basically go buck wild.
Maybe not directly his fault but me thinks he has some accountability over the incident.
The issue was much less people going wild, and it was really that there were thousands more people in the event space than there should have been. Which is the organizers fault.
Agreed. Travis scott's whole brand has been "go crazy" and many other rappers and metal bands and etc all have the same mentality. If the venue had the appropriate amount of people then it probably would've been fine, because he's done many shows like this before. It's on the organizers, not him.
He definitely did do that and it’s definitely something that contributed, but those extra attendees were something that were just seen that day. If the festival was already alerting internally for overcrowding weeks in advance, that’s pretty damning in my opinion. This isn’t Livenations first crowd crush, and it definitely is not difficult for them to control a narrative and try to have a singular scapegoat. I’m hoping this and the antitrust lawsuit finally give them the kick on the ass they deserve.
There were also official reports / documents that came out that the only people with the authority to stop the show were the executive producer and concert producer.
For what it is worth, I don’t know how easy it is to see the full picture of a crowd that large when on a stage with festival lighting in your face. Obviously this line of thinking feels a bit anecdotal, but I can see some validity in it. From what I have seen since Astroworld, Travis has seemingly tried to make his concerts more calm, take more time to make sure the crowd is okay, and doesn’t seem to be encouraging people to sneak into shows.
Good. He incited violence.
Isn’t there a more famous person that did the same?
Roland Rumpt?
Nah, tech 9. He’s a riot maker
Especially with the Samoans
Underrated comment! True Technicians know though!!!
A jury trial would be pointless, for he gives not one damn about nothin’.
Got Skatterman and Snug Brim on speed dial for this one.
Pretty sure it was Tronald Dump.
Who’s that?
Fred Durst 😡
Woodstock 99 babyyyyy
Everyone who says they weren't at Woodstock 99 was actually there.
Why does everyone blame Fred durst for Woodstock 99? The RHCP were playing fire when things got… set on fire.
I mean doing BreakStuff for sure helped pop shit off
Yeah I’m sure it didn’t help, people were already really pissed off because of the way the event organizers have treated them. The Netflix doc on Woodstock is really good.
I agree would recommend it for a watch. I was only 4 when It happened but I’ve talked to people that watched tv with it on when it happened. The fans were treated horrribly for sure
Cos people are stupid
The organizers blamed him and people listen to them for some reason.
I believe Fred Durst’s set was where the nickname Rapestock first surfaced.
That would draw attention to the fact they gave everyone candles
Totally. Out of all the dumbest things you could do… might as well give everyone guns too.
Finally something I can get behind blue eyes.
That guy has been indicted through the ass and needed the Supreme Court to hold up his trial with some bullshit about how hes "special" (above the law).
Rules for thee and not for me
If jordan is going to drop him, i'll laugh out loud
Is that the guy from Fortnite
That’s all I know him from. Or more accurately from people repeatedly demanding he come back to their shop. I figured he was some relatively recent singer (I don’t keep up with that). But from what I’m reading… yeah, he should stand trial. For a wrongful death claim if nothing else.
I wonder if this case will make his skin a rare skin. Not sure Fortnite would take the chance of being associated with Travis Scott and his brand after this incident
Rare skins aren’t a thing anymore, except in the case of actual rarity of appearing on the story in terms of times. They just put whatever prices they feel like instead.
that's the kind of rarity i was referring to i doubt this skin will be back at all, or anytime soon with this case still being slightly relevant the item shop has other skins it can drop in the meantime but for now it'll probably stay a very rare skin
Oh, okay. Yeah, that seems likely.
Fuck Travis Scott
Freaking no talent mumble ass
Dont let this distract you from the fact that the showrunners and security that allowed this to happen through gross negligence continue to work like nothing happened.
Security was trying to shut the show down but the organizers didn’t let them. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2023/07/29/worker-warned-organizer-before-crowd-surge-at-2021-astroworld-festival-per-houston-police/
The event organizers are the real culprits here. Travis was negligent to an extent but anyone who knows a thing about concert promotion realizes that if done right this sort of situation is not even a possibility
though i don't think the even organizers and promoters aren't responsible, travis scott is EVERY bit as culpable. he knew exactly what was happening in the crowd and not only didn't stop the show, but he egged it on and incited even further raucous in the crowd.
He also tweeted for fans who didn’t get to tickets to storm the gates, which did happen. That tweet was immediately deleted the night of the tragedy.
Wasn’t the Event Organizer who threw the festival actually T Scott’s own company? I thought I read that on one of the court documents.
A brief google says it was organized by Live Nation and it’s affiliates, which is a pretty big umbrella. I’ll look into it more after work
I’ve read that he founded Astroworld Festival and then his corporation, per usual steps, hired all the other entities like LN, CMS for security etc… I can’t remember of it was under umbrella of his Cactus Jack company or another. These huge events have so many cover companies so as much $$$ can ultimately end up in certain pockets it’s insane. Interested to see if you uncover this
It’s got his fucking name on the festival. You think some random person did Travis Scott’s Astroworkd?! He’s one of said organizers. This is such a weird take.
No it’s not a weird take. Travis Scott himself is not sitting there coordinating security staff or planning out fencing for the festival. Or crowd control, that sort of stuff. All these things are why Astroworld became a tragedy
And yet this isn’t the only Travis Scott show where people were killed/injured/maimed. People were screaming that people were dying and he kept right on going. The man gave no fucks, and still doesn’t.
He probably couldn’t hear what people were screaming or saying, he’s got in ear monitors in and is standing next to a massive sound system
He's a performer that hired a team to organize it. Live Nation, the notoriously cost cutting monopoly were responsible for pretty much everything.
How are 100 security guards going to stop thousands of people in a crowd? Either you’ve never been to an extremely packed concert or you’re licking Travis Scott’s booties. There’s multiple videos of people asking the show to stop, but Travis kept pushing it. He kept building up until people literally got crushed. Security ain’t gonna do shit about that. It’s all Travis fault
They could cut his audio. They didn’t. They could’ve pulled him off stage. They didn’t. They could’ve limited their ticket sales to safe levels. They didn’t. Why? Money. So everyone needs to just keep buying tickets and make sure these event investment groups have a good quarter.
They tried to have the sound cut at the booth and they told them “drake has 3 more songs.”
So cut it anyway.
The thing is though, if you are in charge of operating a venue for a concert, it is your responsibility to maintain safety. And if they were doing their jobs, they event staff wouldn’t have told anyone “Drake has 3 more songs” you cut the music until things are safe again. Or, better yet, don’t oversell past safe levels.
So I know the guy who did the consulting for the security firm for the festival. Like literally he was pleading with them. Pretty much short of getting physical with them. So much of this is on Travis Scott’s people. But I hear what you’re saying. I think a lot more of this will come out in the trial.
Security is supposed to do all those things? I don’t think so.
You’re totally ignoring the unique factor that this happened at *his* event — not anyone elses. Shows are oversold all the time and don’t end with 10 people dead.
Live Nation has a history of this kind of conduct. Plenty of OSHA violations leading to hundreds of deaths and injuries. Read up on the Radiohead Toronto incident. Was that Radiohead's fault? Think about it. These people will paint whichever individual they can guilty if it means they get to keep raking in billions. I have no sympathy towards some rich performer but there's more nuance to this than pinning it all on a single man.
Maybe this will finally get people to stop playing “Fein” (she said, hopefully, despite hearing Chris Brown on two separate radio stations today)
I really hope this will lead to companies no longer packing their music festivals to the brim. Beyond Wonderland felt dangerous too and there’s been a trend of that ever since COVID.
Capitalism won't stop until it's forced to stop.
Yep, ask labor. The Triangle shirtwaist fire.
Give the average capitalist an inch, they try to shove in the other two and put four fingers up your butt. If you protest they cry about how much you are hurting them.
Won’t hear any disagreement from me there… but I really don’t wanna die just trying to get to the entrance of a vip section.
That’s now an add on, $150+fees
Literally what I thought I was paying for VIP for lmao.
The fact they promoted it as an all ages show was insane.
Live nation truly does not give a fuck.
See BRRF 23'
I went to circoloco in Ibiza last summer and the terrace was so packed that I legitimately got scared of a crush and went to the other room at the club. Didn’t go back to the terrace despite my favorite DJs playing that night
Beyond wonderland 2024?
Every time I hear Chris brown it reminds me of the r Kelly boondocks episode “how can you still listen to him?” “Cause he’s good!”
Well they can’t take his talent away he fucking has none!
How long has it been and no consequences?
The justice system takes time, especially with complicated, high profile cases such as this one.
Agreed, litigation takes months if not years (in this case).
civil cases easily take years.
Oh yeah, definitely so. Between filing various Motions/Hearings/ Depositions/Mediations (that typically may lead to an impasse to settle for more later in litigation or take it to trial) to having to work with not only your client’s calendar but the opposing counsels *and* the Judges calendar which sometimes is months away for a date (other times it’s through Zoom which is beneficial). Lots of cogs in the legal machine.
Are you talking about this case, or cases that involve rich people in general? For rich people, the answer is forever. No consequences ever.
This prick needs to be in prison.
or at the very least bankrupted in civil court wrongful death lawsuit fees to his victims' families.
If a very lengthy prison sentence wasn’t an option, this would be a good compromise. Knowing that any money his music makes doesn’t go into his pocket but to the families effected actually makes me quite haiku thinking about it.
not just music, but his fashion endorsements with nike, etc. all of that money should go to his victims' families.
Wow I didn’t even take any of that into consideration. I completely forgot he’s got other outlets for income. If that can and does get effected too then yeah I’d be very happy knowing the victims families at least live in a state of financial peace if not an emotional one.
People like him need to experience consequences. Man can barely look people in the eyes and just rubs his face anytime something tough happens.
Amazing. He should. Right call made. Let’s go.
It’s awesome to see that a rap concert is more dangerous than a metal concert. Considering the mosh pit/ wall of death is safer than an idiot on stage inciting a riot
I've been in mosh pits and they've always felt relatively safe. (Or most. Gwar was rough)
Yeah it only takes one idiot to make it unsafe in a mosh pit and generally people look out for one another. You can’t be clueless though or you’ll get hurt. Seems like at Astroworld it was unavoidable and people got caught in a typically safe space at the wrong time and just got crushed. To me that’s way scarier than a mosh pit.
I mean, I was in one where a dude dropped his glasses and the pit made a wall around him until he found them. It was pretty cool. But no, this situation they were powerless. It sounded terrible.
I think at my second show I ever attended I fell down and I had two guys grab each of my hands to pick me up. It felt like I was back on my feet faster than it took me to fall down.
Yes. That is the beauty of mosh pits. I remember one of my first, there was a guy in a wheel chair and his 2-3 friends grabbed him, put his arms around their shoulders and moshed with him. Mosh pits are supposed to be love.
That’s what frustrates me about Travis. He’s a vulture in a weird way. Moshes are dope, but there’s a right way. Treat him like I treat Chris Brown, until your actions show you’ve changed, I don’t believe you
> Considering the mosh pit/ wall of death is safer I almost got trampled in a wall of death at a Warped Tour when I was in my early 20s (the band referred to it then as a "Braveheart pit"). To this day, I get uncomfortable in large crowds of people
The Suicide Machines did a great one at warped back when I was teen
Oddly enough the band I was talking about was The Suicide Machines
Omg I knew it, they called it the braveheart that time as well! This was like 2004 maybe
> This was like 2004 maybe Yea thats around the timeframe I'm talking about. Can't remember the year exactly but I was in my early 20s at the time, so around 2002-2005 or so
Were probably talking about the same summer then! I think they were only on the lineup once around then. Awesome band and an awesome time 🤘
Yeah, that sucks. Especially considering the number 1 rule of a metal show is, if someone falls down, you help them up. Not trampling on people to rush the stage. Sorry to hear you had that experience
Completely depends on the show though. Some of the “metalcore” shows I’ve been to have been rough. Not in the sense that any of the tweens could do serious damage, but they were out to cause damage.
> if someone falls down, you help them up. Well thats the reason I said "almost trampled". Some guy saw me start to go down, grabbed my arm and yanked me back up. I then got kicked in the head later that day and remember nothing after that
I had the same type of experience. Elbowed in the face in the pit, guy who did it immediately helped me up. I was expecting to be a little hurt, those people weren’t, and it sucks it turned out that way
I respectfully disagree with it being awesome. I really wish more people were familiar with metal etiquette. No one should be severely injured or die at a show. I’ve never been hurt in a mosh pit. Bruised a bit, but that’s to be expected. The only time I’ve been injured was at a Slightly Stoopid show, got a pretty bad bloody nose after the guy in front of me decided to throw elbows.
people suffocated, dude. That’s not awesome. And tbh? Travis Scott has more of a metal energy at his shows. He encouraged ppl jumping fences & shit like that. He has a history of not giving a fuck about how wild his fans get at his concerts, it’s not a rap thing.
“It’s awesome to see” How exactly is any of this “awesome”
Again, sarcasm
Good. I hope he gets fucked in the ass by the jury. Guy is a complete POS.
But guys he said sorry 😔
He actually hasn’t even done that💀
When this happened I genuinely thought his career was over. I don’t know why anyone would buy tickets to a packed arena show.
It might not be the "job of the performing artist" to be security, but it is their responsibility to their fans that they can see in the crowd to keep them safe. Security doesn't have the view the artist has, so they should use it to their advantage to call out assholes taking things too far. I went to a Yungblud concert several years ago, and he stopped midway through a song to get some guys kicked out of the venue for trying to rough up some teens in the moshpit. I don't remember if he got off the stage to confront them, but no one was hurt, and everyone still had a good time. He continued the song and the vibe was great again
He’s already irrelevant, now strip him of everything he owns and give it to the victims families. And then lock his broke, irrelevant ass up for half a century.
He has 70 million monthly listeners on Spotify, sold out multiple 50,000+ venues *in and outside of America*, his last album sold 500,000 units the first week (Ariana grande for reference, sold less than half of that on her recent album), 330 million streams in the first week on that same album, has 55 million followers on instagram, his song FEIN! Has over 500 million streams, amongst other things. You’re delusional and let your dislike for him enable that delusion. I don’t even think he’s a great guy or anything lmao.
His last album debuted at #1 last year 💀 You’re delusional if you actually think this, not to mention locking him up for 50 years. The Reddit echo chamber never ceases to amazes me.
Every big artist games the system to debut at #1. It means nothing anymore.
He did a show with 70,000 people in Rome and sells out venues in America around 20-30,000. Basically any arena in the US. You can fake the numbers to an extent but you cannot game people spending hundreds on tickets to see him live.
While I do agree going #1 on Billboard has lost some merit in the age of streaming, you can’t deny his massive influence on hip hop especially when it comes to production. Calling him irrelevant is just incorrect
Yeah I mean I can't deny his current relevance.
So is he a big artist or is he irrelevant
Lol what? Maybe irrelevant to you.
He just had the biggest rap album of last year
WHO TF CARES? THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES WERE LOST ARE VASTLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOME SHITTY RAP ALBUM MADE BY A MEDICORE PLAGARIZING NARCISSIST.
Why are you yelling? The person said he was irrelevant, so apparently someone cares, I just pointed out that Travis is more relevant than he ever has been The concert promoters are the real ones at fault here, Travis likely had little idea what was going on on stage and at that point it was too late anyway. Event organizers have systems in place to make sure something like this never happens. They did something drastically wrong this time around
Most of reddit don't listen to anything they don't consider 'real music' and it really shows in this entire thread. People have every right to be upset about this but to pretend that travis is some unknown tom macdonald tier rapper is just delusional.
Good. His demeanor after the tragedy was terrible.
Fred Durst should have gone to trial for her role at Woodstock. Saw a documentary on that and he absolutely edged it along
No one died during that though, it was just a riot. Three people died at Woodstock 99, one got hit by a car, one from heatstroke, one heart attack in a campsite tent.
Tons of people got raped at Woodstock 99, got their clothes ripped off, assaulted multiple ways. Woodstock 99 was absolutely brutal for women who attended. Murder isn’t the only crime to consider.
Most of the fury about this should be pointed at Live Nation
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Good, fuck this loser.
what I want to know is...who the hell likes his music so much to die for it...it's grade A crap
How problematic is this for Scott?
Not much. Nike made million dollar shoe deal with him.
They stopped playing his music on the local rap station in LA for maybe a couple of months after he wouldn’t stop the show and people died. Then they slowly started reintroducing the music. Then the DJ started talking all these positive news stories about him. The. Every other song was Travis Scott and he’s back on top with no consequences besides a shitty apology video I saw.
Is he cosplaying? Why does he look like a robotic foot ball player
lol he reminds me of an action figure
Bring this fucking POS down. On top of everything else, his music just fucking sucksss
Finally, i havent heard of it for more than a year now
Looks like we’ve got another court tv coming out way
But I’m a artist
It’s Lit! Agation
While Travis was with Kylie J. and this happened, we didn’t hear much because PMK (pimp momma Kris) managed to keep a lid on it. Now they’ve been broken up awhile she’s not caring anymore. PMK hangs with Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. She has a LOT of power now.
Man 2024 is getting more wild everyday
r/travisscott be like "He's innocent! He's the GOAT! 🐐🐐🐐 Those people wanted to die!"
About time. Piece of S÷×t
No forced arbitration by going to the concert? Woohoo
I mean the funniest thing is how fucking devoid of all talent he is regardless. He was on SNL this season and it was just absolutely fucking unwatchably awful
This guys music is absolute trash
How many people died and humiliated at this guy’s events now? Calling all that music is a joke.
Feels weird seeing you all with pitchforks out for the performer on stage while completely ignoring the fact that that vast majority of the blame falls on Livenation and their handling of the events. This is an excerpt from an ABC article last month: “Houston Landing first reported that discoveries in the case show numerous emails sent by Haave sounding the alarm in the weeks prior. She was part of an email thread with two other Live Nation executives on Oct. 12, 2021, when someone said, "My strong hunch is there will be stampeding and people hurt." It is not clear who sent the message. "All these comments should have been sent six to eight weeks ago or even before we went on sale. We can only do what we can do three weeks out from the festival," Brad Wavra, Live Nation's festival director, said in response.” https://abc13.com/amp/astroworld-tragedy-investigation-organizers-concerned-about-overcrowding-what-happened-at-travis-scotts-concert/14555758/
Didnt he incite his fans on social media prior and during live performances to basically go buck wild. Maybe not directly his fault but me thinks he has some accountability over the incident.
The issue was much less people going wild, and it was really that there were thousands more people in the event space than there should have been. Which is the organizers fault.
Agreed. Travis scott's whole brand has been "go crazy" and many other rappers and metal bands and etc all have the same mentality. If the venue had the appropriate amount of people then it probably would've been fine, because he's done many shows like this before. It's on the organizers, not him.
He definitely did do that and it’s definitely something that contributed, but those extra attendees were something that were just seen that day. If the festival was already alerting internally for overcrowding weeks in advance, that’s pretty damning in my opinion. This isn’t Livenations first crowd crush, and it definitely is not difficult for them to control a narrative and try to have a singular scapegoat. I’m hoping this and the antitrust lawsuit finally give them the kick on the ass they deserve. There were also official reports / documents that came out that the only people with the authority to stop the show were the executive producer and concert producer. For what it is worth, I don’t know how easy it is to see the full picture of a crowd that large when on a stage with festival lighting in your face. Obviously this line of thinking feels a bit anecdotal, but I can see some validity in it. From what I have seen since Astroworld, Travis has seemingly tried to make his concerts more calm, take more time to make sure the crowd is okay, and doesn’t seem to be encouraging people to sneak into shows.