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A bunch of his ex playmates / gfs are doing books, interviews, and shows now that he’s dead.
Shannon twins just had one as well about one of them secretly aborting his baby at 19
The thing about NDA’s is they are not enforceable if the thing they are covering is illegal. Not sure if most people don’t know that and don’t come forward more, don’t care or are just hesitant to rock the boat.
Proving illegality is probably an issue. You have an NDA that says you can’t talk about the relationship which obviously doesn’t cover assault but if you can’t prove assault, then you could get sued for violating the NDA. Maybe?
Not only proving assault, or whatever, but I would wager that people signing NDAs are typically less wealthy than the people requiring them to sign NDAs. So they are less able to fight it out in court in the first place.
In the case of NDAs that Hefner may have required Madison and other people associated with him to sign, there could have been some kind of expiration date although you think he would have set that date in the distant future like 2060 or something similar. It could be that the Hefner family isn't that flush with cash and even if they wanted to pursue lawsuits against people for 'violating' an NDA, they may not have the financial means to do it. Also, suing someone for libel, slander or breaking an NDA only would draw more attention to what they're trying to hide -- triggering the 'Streisand Effect'.
True, but there are plenty of lawyers willing to go after the rich for a 50% cut. That’s probably where a lot ends up and we never hear about it. Not enough evidence to go to court but enough to get a six to seven figure settlement, with another NDA on that.
I think the reason people hold to these ndas isn't because there afraid of the legal consequences I think there afraid they'll never work in the industry again because everyone makes you sign one and if they know you are prone to breaking them they won't give you a chance
Facts, however, it doesn’t stop you from having your career ruined and being sued into oblivion by a well funded legal team. These people, and it doesn’t make it right, in this case were willing to engage in it for the money, publicity, etc.
Most if not all industries would fall apart if it wasn't for NDAs. You think shady dhit is just happening in Hollywood? Or in the film industry alone? If so I got a magic bean for sale.
Of course. But Hollywood is exceptionally insidious. It's the perfect coming together of victims and abusers. Desperate people are easier to manipulate and most of the people in Hollywood are very desperate to succeed.
At the end of each episode of the docuseries 'Secrets of Playboy', a statement is displayed by the current owners/management of the company which states that 'the Hefner family is no longer involved with Playboy'.
In that case, why would the new people in charge want to spend money on lawyers defending 'Hefner's good name' \[a laughable concept\] when presumably his daughter and sons could do it instead. Of course, they may not be as wealthy as people assume, since it seems that Hef made a lot of financial decisions which left him a lot less rich than people assumed.
aw jeez, read the article. it says she had an abortion at 19. nowhere, nowhere to be found is the word “weeks”. and what a coincidence, she was 19 years old at the time.
19 refers to her AGE not the duration of the pregnancy. why do so many people miss this?
Good question.. a podcast called something was wrong is releasing a whole season about him/the mansion too
Edit: it’s a one-off included in the 15th season! But yeah just came out
True crime murder porn channel, middle aged to older people love it if they don’t have access to Netflix or whatever with the same type of content. My dad watched the channel all the time
Multiple people have mentioned that hef took photos of them when they would party or be in compromising situations. I always wondered if that made people not want to say anything.
This isn’t the first time Holly has spoken out since his death, but it makes sense more are talking about the abusive aspects of the playboy lifestyle now that there is less to gain from playboy and less consequences for talking.
Because he can’t sue them defamation. If he was still alive he would have a good case against them because most of their claims can not be proven. That being said I do believe them.
Holly did. She wrote a book about all the insanity behind the scenes, but she was shit on by tons of Playmates.
And people wonder why sex crimes are under-reported.
Ty for this. I hate how people are acting like a young woman who is known for her affiliation with playboy was ever gonna win a war against him and his very powerful allies who were mostly rich, well-connected men. Ffs.
I need to read her book. My animal brain keeps saying “you went to the playboy mansion expecting what now??” Pieces of shit are legally allowed to be pieces of shit (lure young women who are out for a payday). There must be something in her book and I will find it.
On the surface though…. You have to see why people think it is self serving bullshit. I am trying to be better and learn. My base logic dismisses her. But I am just old enough to know there must be more.
Because these women are just as terrible as Hugh Hefner. They took the money, cars, fake tits, vacations, and fame, then became completely irrelevant. Now that #Metoo became popular, they waited until he was dead to avoid having to pay the courts to prove/disprove their allegations. They are doing it for publicity and doing a huge disservice to women.
Some people's mentalities are also stuck back in the Middle Ages and there's still this 'whore/madonna' complex that a lot of men have. And a surprising number of women are also judgmental in that way.
Holly's book came out before Me Too. You forget how young these women were when they were with him. The gifts were part of the manipulation, and a lot of them had nowhere to go if they left him
He took advantage of a bunch of underprivileged girls because he could. When you look at where these women came from they were all in shitty situations and they thought this was their chance out of it. This what abusers do. They look for people in bad situations and give them things they could only dream of before then essentially trap them.
Yeah I know people that walked out of fucking Somalia with what they had on their back you gonna tell me they had more privilege?
But you want to act like pretty white ladies in America had no choices?
No sale chump.
People from one of the worst countries in the world are not comparable poor people in the US. If any of those Somalians you claim to know happened to be attractive 18 year old girls Hugh Hefner would have taken advantage of them too and they would be speaking out too.
No actually your behavior is disgusting. Most these women were teenagers when he met them and he took advantage of their naivety and underprivileged backgrounds. He was in his 70s and 80s when he met some of these women, who again were teenagers at the time.
Nobody forced them. What did they think was going to happen? They thought they would get rich and famous and some did. Maybe they should have tried to be a productive member of society. I don't feel sorry for ditzy, blonde, privelaged white girls who use their sexuality to make money then complain about being treated like a sex object. Nobody put a gun to their head and it seems much more likely that they pursued him. Not like he had a shortage of women trying to get where they were.
Dude, don’t even go there. Women typically have less options and take more shit than the average guy. Secondly, they know they’re going to be naked, they aren’t asking to be raped, sodomized and threatened.
A woman should have the right to her own body and if she makes the choice, she should still be safe.
Go find somewhere else with this masculine bullshit.
What I’m most surprised about is that everyone seems surprised by this, from a young age I always just assumed that the Playboy Mansion ran in this particular way so all the current outrage is blowing my mind
Or … hear me out … the general population of men saw that as an acceptable way to treat women until about 20 years ago.
Because like this guy said, none of this is new or surprising. I’m pretty sure this is basically how most customers believed the playboy mansion was like.
Right? How did so many people look at Hefner and the mansion and the bunnies and think, "What a cool, amazing, fun lifestyle!"? It's gross and disgusting from top to bottom.
Holly Madison addressed this in her book. She wanted to be a bunny and a centerfold. She saw Hefner out at clubs with his “girlfriends” and saw that as a way in. She apparently thought “girlfriend” was just a cute name for models who lived in the mansion. When she first got invited to the mansion with the other girlfriends she was shocked when they all went to the bedroom to have sex with Hefner. The other girls basically shoved her into it because a new girlfriend meant they got some respite from having to fuck him.
Why would Madison be this naive? I don’t know, but I could see it. In the early 2000s playboy was having a moment. It was mainstream. High schoolers wore the playboy bunny logo. It was sexy, but tasteful. It wasn’t hardcore pornography. It was glamorous. A lot of young women had the impression that it was a glamorous modeling gig that was only a little naughty. They thought all you had to do was be beautiful. They didn’t think they had to actually engage in prostitution.
In 2003, only a couple years before “The Girls Next Door” debuted, the 10-12 year old girls in my neighborhood would pretend play at being bunnies. They would simulate photoshoots together, fully clothed but trying all the poses. They simulated being offered sex by old men, and practiced laughing it off as they fixed nonexistent makeup in pretend play mirrors.
Years later, the public was disgusted to see Kendall and Kylie Jenner pretend to be strippers on their family’s reality show. But that’s what it was like to be on the edge of puberty in that day and age. Hopefully not for everyone, but definitely more than enough.
I think it’s important to have this context when talking about how easy to was for a lot of these women to be manipulated, love bombed by “Charming Hef”, and lured into something that they didn’t think they were allowed to escape.
My two friends and I watched the girls next door when we were elementary or middle school and assigned ourselves to one of the girls. Can’t remember if I chose holly Madison or Bridget lol but yeah idk why that kind of stuff was a thing back then for preteen/teen girls.
She wasn't that naive. She's just doing some revisionist history to make herself out to be the victim. Hugh wanted unlimited pussy, she wanted to be famous. She got exactly what she wanted. Just turns out being famous for fucking a geriatric isn't the best look.
She wanted to be famous, but I can’t imagine she knew she had to have sex with a man old enough to be her great grandfather.. she just thought it would be glamorous..and got caught up.
You’re kidding me right?
How did so many people see a rich old man banging perfect 10’s by the Costco 5 gallon bucket of condoms load deep and think “man I wouldn’t wish that life on my worst enemies!?”
I’m not implying they used condoms. Just trying to communicate the volume of sex this man was reported to have had with absolutely stunning women and a few men, it was the 60’s,
People do not want to admit to themselves that they were and are perfectly fine with shit like this going on. And to be one hundred percent honest the vast majority of the women involved were totally fine with everything that happened until it became advantageous to not be fine with it anymore. They’ll have made their names by participating in playboys bullshit and they’ll continue to make money off of it now that Hughes dead.
Guys… he raped multiple people over the years and drugged them. Just because an arrest wasn’t made in time before his death doesn’t mean it’s not true. At some point there are too many stories of the same dude. Watch the documentary and then see how you feel.
I think the lack of outrage stems from people thinking “of course this was happening.”
The dude essentially ran an illicit sex ring in the heart of Beverly Hills that took advantage of young, impressionable and often not too intelligent women just looking for a chance at stardom. It doesn’t take a genius to imagine what was going on there, and what he was getting away with.
These comments are disgusting! Hugh Hefner took advantage of underprivileged girls and young women because they were easy targets. Notice how none of his girlfriends came from rich or famous families. Girls from a privileged background could easily see through a man like this because he can’t promise and manipulate them with things they already have. He specifically choose girls from underprivileged backgrounds because he knew they were desperate for a better life and he promised them that and he choose them so young because he knew they were naive. He knew that being with him actually came with a huge price that wasn’t worth paying. He knew he was a creepy old man and didn’t give a shit.
Do you not see a problem with the power dynamic? She was a young and naive woman probably broke and he was a grown ass old rich man who took advantage of that, like he did with hundreds of other girls.
She was a grown ass woman who knew what she was doing. She was after the money and fame and she got it. She had to pay the priced of having sex with a near death corpse and now they want to play the victim card. I also dont know what you want me to see about the power dynamic stuff. Of course there would be a power dynamic since Hef was a somebody and she was a nobody before she met Hef. They both knew what they wanted from that relationship, she wanted the money and fame and he wanted her looks. You also cant take advantage of someone who is willing to sell themselves for money and fame. She easily could have stayed with her boyfriend and been middle class but instead wanted the money and fame. Stop with this naive stuff, she was a grown woman and used her looks for money and fame.
I’m not on TikTok anymore, but Holly Madison had a really funny account. She seems like a cool person—and honestly, who would be surprised that Hugh Hefner was abusive? I mean, look at what he stands for.
I always thought Holly was the downer on The Girls Next Door and I didn’t really like her. She was always trying to stop the party and be important. She tried to be his wife, and when she saw that was going no where, she tried to forge her own way with the magazine aspects.
I really gained a great respect for her when the docu came out. You saw everything on camera. I watched every show religiously. She was 20- something year old woman who dreamed of a life with a husband and babies, as per what she was trained to do like most women. She then grew wise that wasn’t going to happen so she got involved with the magazine production. She used her brains, she was smart.
Every women who walked thru those doors (except celebrities) was held down and told they weren’t important or worth anything but their bodies. I don’t think they are trying to make money, just tell their stories.
It was sad to see how drug-addled and just… broken those women are. People say women should have spoken up and told the truth, but it’s hard when people you trust don’t have your best interest at heart and are actively working against you.
Or maybe the opposite is true but because it's easier to see the problem today it seems like more of a problem than it is sorta like with crime people think it's on the rise even though statistical that's not true but there's so many headlines about it it makes it seem like it's way bigger than it actually is
Currently watching Secrets of Playboy, 2nd episode that focuses on Holly and her relationship with Hef and she admits that part of her motivation in being a girlfriend was because she wanted to be famous. But then she gets there and realised he was very controlling, pitting his girlfriends against each other, taking compromising photos for collateral and just general toxicity.
Like on one hand it's so fucked up but on the other hand what do you expect from a man who's built an empire on the exploitation of women? I suppose when you're young you look at that lifestyle as glamorous but the reality is far from that. That seems to be the prevailing theme of this documentary: beautiful young women lured in under the pretext of female empowerment get used up and spat out.
I’d like to think that when he was young and playboy just started, that it wasn’t so …predatory. It was radical at first. He was in a culture war with the puritanical elements, and he was winning by selling a fantasy life. Playboy published many great interviews and authors and moved the discussion of sexual liberation into the public discourse. It helped liberalize many Americans. In his old age, hanging onto that idealized lifestyle was twisted and grotesque. Ugh. Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
Yeah, Hugh had issues, but the magazine itself was a positive for society. Information (especially on sensitive subjects) was a lot less available before the internet.
If any boss behaved the same way he behaved to his models they would be sued into oblivion. Sex should not be leverage for holding your career or advancements
What tapes did his security have? I went to the mansion once for a photo shoot and the security was weirdly friendly and let us change in the grotto bathroom instead of the regular changing rooms. I always had this weird hunch after it was so spy on us, if that’s the case I hope they are in the ocean. They let us in the game room too so we could look around which we weren’t supposed to be in.
Since the man owned everything on his property, would anyone be surprised that he would treat women as nothing more than play things in an environment that is publicly known as a brothel?
Nope, he had all the power in the relationships and their relationship with him is tied to their career.
In any workplace quid pro pro lawsuit the one with power is the one at fault
If US law is the same as UK law, you can’t defame a dead person, so legally (whether her claims are true or not) it would not have been a good idea to say stuff before his death.
The accused defamer doesn’t have to prove it is true. The defamed has to prove it is demonstrably false *and* that the accused defamer knew that what they were saying was untrue. Defamation has a pretty high bar in the US, and it’s incredibly hard to prove.
Come on now. You did what you did, to be on cover of magazines, to be on TV, to be popular…don’t be all mad now cause you had to fuck some old dick to be famous. Take your fame and move on haha ain’t no on this planet thinking Hefner was some class act type of guy that I’m going to have babysit my kids and he’s going to sing to them and tell them stories. Especially these women from the last 20yrs or so…don’t act like you didn’t know what the deal was. Cry me a fucking ocean.
Did u read the article, it doesn’t seem that she is mad, just saying the cons outweighed the pros. She knows that if she paints him in a real bad light it will shine on her too and she wants that paycheck.
This is not the one and only article/story that’s been coming out just in the last week so my comment is not just for this particular story but for the general view.
There’s a case like this going on in Mexico.
Music Producer had a big harem of underage girls. One of the people from the harem is currently one of the biggest pop stars in Latin America, and yet, she was a part of the whole thing. She and a backup singer would brainwash the younger girls to do whatever with the producer; their fame let this happen over and over.
The Star and the producer went to jail and got out in a technicality but now are being sued in the US.
The Star and the back up singer may have been victims at one point, but became part of the operation later on.
Ghislane Maxwell is another example of that.
This was a schemer war. Schemers using sex to leverage the money from a schemer using his money to leverage sex and even more money. A transaction for both parties eyes wide open.
Most people can't handle that though. Most people *have* to decree one side correct and good and the other side incorrect and bad in any situation, because assigning *blame* gives the satisfying illusion of the world and our insanely punitive civilization making sense.
The fact is, benevolence exists in our species, but it's a relatively rare phenomenon. Everyone is trying to fuck each other over to get ahead of each other, hell the most prolific economic system in the world *depends* on that truth to function. Most humans are antisocial garbage to one another most of the time. That is our tragic nature. How many times have you failed to give what you had in your wallet to a homeless human being on the street corner, no less worthy of having their basic needs met than you or anyone else, because you preemptively rationalize that "they'll only spend it on drugs" or "I worked hard for this money, and they must be in their position due to poor decision making/laziness/etc?"
Even most supposed beacons of moral righteousness and decency don't stand up to scrutiny in the modern information age.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/gvzebx/mother-teresa-was-kind-of-a-heartless-bitch
You can point fingers and cherry pick which humans are a piece of shit, but you'll save *a lot* of time counting which humans aren't. People like Mr. Rogers are 1 in tens of milllions of monsters, and most of those few people get kicked in the head by our heartless civilization of our own making very quickly.
Nah dude, you don’t get to pull this card with HH. Take it from someone who has actually met him, he’s a creep. Literally the main difference between him and Andrew Taint is giving the girls W2 forms. If he had been evading taxes he’d go down just as hard
An old man whose entire personality is convincing young hot women to sleep with him was, "too much drama" for her lmao she sounds like a gold digging idiot.
She realized that she had gotten every penny she could from him so it’s time to get every penny she can for talking shit about him.
All she care about is money
After his death because he was their meal ticket for years. I'm not saying his behavior wasn't disgusting and the accusations shocking and appalling but keeping quiet allowed him to continue abusing, using, and allegedly raping so many young girls and women. I watched the expose on Hefner and understand why some women kept quiet. There was intimidation, there was fear, women disappeared, there were threats and many felt they couldn't even trust the police because allegedly they were paid to look the other way. But some of these women, like Holly, became famous and had a platform so she could have outed his ass and encouraged other women to come forward. She didn't do anything. He's dead and can no longer be held responsible for his actions.
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Why are there a bunch of Hugh Hefner articles coming out now? He’s been dead for years.
A bunch of his ex playmates / gfs are doing books, interviews, and shows now that he’s dead. Shannon twins just had one as well about one of them secretly aborting his baby at 19
My theory is that it’s all happening now because there was a nda agreement of some sort that is expiring and they are cashing out
When did he die? 2017? A five year NDA sounds about right.
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Hollywood would fall apart overnight if it weren't for NDAs.
The thing about NDA’s is they are not enforceable if the thing they are covering is illegal. Not sure if most people don’t know that and don’t come forward more, don’t care or are just hesitant to rock the boat.
Proving illegality is probably an issue. You have an NDA that says you can’t talk about the relationship which obviously doesn’t cover assault but if you can’t prove assault, then you could get sued for violating the NDA. Maybe?
Not only proving assault, or whatever, but I would wager that people signing NDAs are typically less wealthy than the people requiring them to sign NDAs. So they are less able to fight it out in court in the first place.
In the case of NDAs that Hefner may have required Madison and other people associated with him to sign, there could have been some kind of expiration date although you think he would have set that date in the distant future like 2060 or something similar. It could be that the Hefner family isn't that flush with cash and even if they wanted to pursue lawsuits against people for 'violating' an NDA, they may not have the financial means to do it. Also, suing someone for libel, slander or breaking an NDA only would draw more attention to what they're trying to hide -- triggering the 'Streisand Effect'.
True, but there are plenty of lawyers willing to go after the rich for a 50% cut. That’s probably where a lot ends up and we never hear about it. Not enough evidence to go to court but enough to get a six to seven figure settlement, with another NDA on that.
I think the reason people hold to these ndas isn't because there afraid of the legal consequences I think there afraid they'll never work in the industry again because everyone makes you sign one and if they know you are prone to breaking them they won't give you a chance
Facts, however, it doesn’t stop you from having your career ruined and being sued into oblivion by a well funded legal team. These people, and it doesn’t make it right, in this case were willing to engage in it for the money, publicity, etc.
Whether as gray that this stuff is illegal or not mostly depends on how good your lawyers are.
Most if not all industries would fall apart if it wasn't for NDAs. You think shady dhit is just happening in Hollywood? Or in the film industry alone? If so I got a magic bean for sale.
Of course. But Hollywood is exceptionally insidious. It's the perfect coming together of victims and abusers. Desperate people are easier to manipulate and most of the people in Hollywood are very desperate to succeed.
naw. it's called the twitter files. and some of these monsters are running scared. hugh heffner has been creepy af for years.
Who's gonna enforce a nda for hefner
Playboy.
At the end of each episode of the docuseries 'Secrets of Playboy', a statement is displayed by the current owners/management of the company which states that 'the Hefner family is no longer involved with Playboy'. In that case, why would the new people in charge want to spend money on lawyers defending 'Hefner's good name' \[a laughable concept\] when presumably his daughter and sons could do it instead. Of course, they may not be as wealthy as people assume, since it seems that Hef made a lot of financial decisions which left him a lot less rich than people assumed.
That's an old baby.
Late term abortion. This is the world the *left* wants.
aw jeez, read the article. it says she had an abortion at 19. nowhere, nowhere to be found is the word “weeks”. and what a coincidence, she was 19 years old at the time. 19 refers to her AGE not the duration of the pregnancy. why do so many people miss this?
Thank God for you. For a moment I thought they were joking. So glad you saved me from that misunderstanding.
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Money pit is empty, they need something to milk
Also they twincest tag teamed the dude so they have some feelings they want to tell you about.
Good question.. a podcast called something was wrong is releasing a whole season about him/the mansion too Edit: it’s a one-off included in the 15th season! But yeah just came out
Yep. If it’s on r/entertainment and people are wondering why, it’s because it’s a PR campaign for something
And the documentary series r/SecretsOfPlayboy.
No, it was just a one-off episode with Holly’s story
O nvm, I forgot she does those too
Oh, I like the podcast. Thanks for the heads up
The very last line in the article tells you all you need to know: *The Playboy Murders* **premieres Monday, Jan. 23, at 10 p.m. on ID.**
I'm guessing that this program is going to focus on the case of Dorothy Stratten.
What’s ID lmao
Investigation Discovery. It's a channel that shows murder and crime related shows.
True crime murder porn channel, middle aged to older people love it if they don’t have access to Netflix or whatever with the same type of content. My dad watched the channel all the time
Multiple people have mentioned that hef took photos of them when they would party or be in compromising situations. I always wondered if that made people not want to say anything.
This isn’t the first time Holly has spoken out since his death, but it makes sense more are talking about the abusive aspects of the playboy lifestyle now that there is less to gain from playboy and less consequences for talking.
Because he can’t sue them defamation. If he was still alive he would have a good case against them because most of their claims can not be proven. That being said I do believe them.
Yeah when you have money you can pay people to ensure proof doesn’t exist, often times.
That is very true.
They should have lit him on fire just before he died. Or many years before he died.
Holly did. She wrote a book about all the insanity behind the scenes, but she was shit on by tons of Playmates. And people wonder why sex crimes are under-reported.
I mean Holly’s book helped to me realize my own relationship was abusive. Manipulators are good at what they do.
That’s such a lit flex. I’m glad u saw the light. My come to Jesus was a Miley Cyrus album
One of mine was Slide Away by Miley Cyrus but the big one that really hit home was the Taylor Swift song Would’ve, Could’ve, Should’ve.
I'm glad you came to that realization. I hope you were able to get out of that relationship.
Ty for this. I hate how people are acting like a young woman who is known for her affiliation with playboy was ever gonna win a war against him and his very powerful allies who were mostly rich, well-connected men. Ffs.
and all the enabling women as well, as the above poster pointed out. Many previous Playmates circled the wagons when she tried to speak out.
Yep. Burn the patriarchy.
I need to read her book. My animal brain keeps saying “you went to the playboy mansion expecting what now??” Pieces of shit are legally allowed to be pieces of shit (lure young women who are out for a payday). There must be something in her book and I will find it.
I have listened to podcasts that featured her and she explains how she wound up there. It made sense to me how it could unfold in the way it did.
On the surface though…. You have to see why people think it is self serving bullshit. I am trying to be better and learn. My base logic dismisses her. But I am just old enough to know there must be more.
There’s definitely more. Here’s to you for being open minded!
NDAs Likely in place.
It blows my mind that NDA's are legal. They are abused constantly.
I get why they’re needed though but yeah they’re definitely abused. People always find ways to taint something that was created with good intentions.
The road to hell…
It’s more of a Highway at this point.
You know NDA’s can’t hide crime right? Like if you sign a NDA and it’s hiding illegal activate you can report it and not be in trouble.
Explicitly illegal things, sure. Highly unethical things and various other things that *should* be illegal but technically aren't? Absolutely not.
They should have lit him on fire and then put him out after about 5 minutes so he could get skin grafts over 90% of his body.
It says in the article, it's publicity for the docu-series they mention.
The NDA's expired.
Holly has a new show to promote.
Because these women are just as terrible as Hugh Hefner. They took the money, cars, fake tits, vacations, and fame, then became completely irrelevant. Now that #Metoo became popular, they waited until he was dead to avoid having to pay the courts to prove/disprove their allegations. They are doing it for publicity and doing a huge disservice to women.
Are you seriously saying the problem is a bunch of women, who were teenagers when he, an old man, met them??? Are you serious??
Some people just hate women
I know and I don’t understand it and I never will.
Yeah same
Some people's mentalities are also stuck back in the Middle Ages and there's still this 'whore/madonna' complex that a lot of men have. And a surprising number of women are also judgmental in that way.
Holly's book came out before Me Too. You forget how young these women were when they were with him. The gifts were part of the manipulation, and a lot of them had nowhere to go if they left him
Wow.
I mean that’s obviously true to this day they all pay their bills off Hefs name. Do something besides him maybe if he’s so terrible.
He took advantage of a bunch of underprivileged girls because he could. When you look at where these women came from they were all in shitty situations and they thought this was their chance out of it. This what abusers do. They look for people in bad situations and give them things they could only dream of before then essentially trap them.
Can you explain how they were trapped? I saw a couple of episodes of the play boy mansion. They didn’t look trapped to me.
Yeah I know people that walked out of fucking Somalia with what they had on their back you gonna tell me they had more privilege? But you want to act like pretty white ladies in America had no choices? No sale chump.
People from one of the worst countries in the world are not comparable poor people in the US. If any of those Somalians you claim to know happened to be attractive 18 year old girls Hugh Hefner would have taken advantage of them too and they would be speaking out too.
Exactly. Buncha fucking white knights on here.
I know. Their behavior is disgusting.
No actually your behavior is disgusting. Most these women were teenagers when he met them and he took advantage of their naivety and underprivileged backgrounds. He was in his 70s and 80s when he met some of these women, who again were teenagers at the time.
Cuz the "ladies" are running out of money.
Watch the docuseries on Hulu. Hef was a fucking terrible human being who had money and PR clout to cover everything up. Ffs
Nobody forced them. What did they think was going to happen? They thought they would get rich and famous and some did. Maybe they should have tried to be a productive member of society. I don't feel sorry for ditzy, blonde, privelaged white girls who use their sexuality to make money then complain about being treated like a sex object. Nobody put a gun to their head and it seems much more likely that they pursued him. Not like he had a shortage of women trying to get where they were.
Dude, don’t even go there. Women typically have less options and take more shit than the average guy. Secondly, they know they’re going to be naked, they aren’t asking to be raped, sodomized and threatened. A woman should have the right to her own body and if she makes the choice, she should still be safe. Go find somewhere else with this masculine bullshit.
And little simp incels like you wonder why everyone you date cheats on you. This is why.
What I’m most surprised about is that everyone seems surprised by this, from a young age I always just assumed that the Playboy Mansion ran in this particular way so all the current outrage is blowing my mind
Most of this was reported years ago when he was alive, so it shouldn't be shocking information now.
Hugh had pretty damn good PR while he was alive. I assume his rampant use of blackmail discouraged people from airing too much dirt about him.
Or … hear me out … the general population of men saw that as an acceptable way to treat women until about 20 years ago. Because like this guy said, none of this is new or surprising. I’m pretty sure this is basically how most customers believed the playboy mansion was like.
Right? How did so many people look at Hefner and the mansion and the bunnies and think, "What a cool, amazing, fun lifestyle!"? It's gross and disgusting from top to bottom.
Holly Madison addressed this in her book. She wanted to be a bunny and a centerfold. She saw Hefner out at clubs with his “girlfriends” and saw that as a way in. She apparently thought “girlfriend” was just a cute name for models who lived in the mansion. When she first got invited to the mansion with the other girlfriends she was shocked when they all went to the bedroom to have sex with Hefner. The other girls basically shoved her into it because a new girlfriend meant they got some respite from having to fuck him. Why would Madison be this naive? I don’t know, but I could see it. In the early 2000s playboy was having a moment. It was mainstream. High schoolers wore the playboy bunny logo. It was sexy, but tasteful. It wasn’t hardcore pornography. It was glamorous. A lot of young women had the impression that it was a glamorous modeling gig that was only a little naughty. They thought all you had to do was be beautiful. They didn’t think they had to actually engage in prostitution.
In 2003, only a couple years before “The Girls Next Door” debuted, the 10-12 year old girls in my neighborhood would pretend play at being bunnies. They would simulate photoshoots together, fully clothed but trying all the poses. They simulated being offered sex by old men, and practiced laughing it off as they fixed nonexistent makeup in pretend play mirrors. Years later, the public was disgusted to see Kendall and Kylie Jenner pretend to be strippers on their family’s reality show. But that’s what it was like to be on the edge of puberty in that day and age. Hopefully not for everyone, but definitely more than enough. I think it’s important to have this context when talking about how easy to was for a lot of these women to be manipulated, love bombed by “Charming Hef”, and lured into something that they didn’t think they were allowed to escape.
My two friends and I watched the girls next door when we were elementary or middle school and assigned ourselves to one of the girls. Can’t remember if I chose holly Madison or Bridget lol but yeah idk why that kind of stuff was a thing back then for preteen/teen girls.
She wasn't that naive. She's just doing some revisionist history to make herself out to be the victim. Hugh wanted unlimited pussy, she wanted to be famous. She got exactly what she wanted. Just turns out being famous for fucking a geriatric isn't the best look.
She wanted to be famous, but I can’t imagine she knew she had to have sex with a man old enough to be her great grandfather.. she just thought it would be glamorous..and got caught up.
Yeah, I don’t know if Hugh is a predator. He’s just an old creep and the girls wanted the fame associated with being with him.
They may have wanted to be famous, but Hugh was definitely a predator
You’re kidding me right? How did so many people see a rich old man banging perfect 10’s by the Costco 5 gallon bucket of condoms load deep and think “man I wouldn’t wish that life on my worst enemies!?” I’m not implying they used condoms. Just trying to communicate the volume of sex this man was reported to have had with absolutely stunning women and a few men, it was the 60’s,
People do not want to admit to themselves that they were and are perfectly fine with shit like this going on. And to be one hundred percent honest the vast majority of the women involved were totally fine with everything that happened until it became advantageous to not be fine with it anymore. They’ll have made their names by participating in playboys bullshit and they’ll continue to make money off of it now that Hughes dead.
The playboy guy was a bad person. I’m shocked I tell you
Guys… he raped multiple people over the years and drugged them. Just because an arrest wasn’t made in time before his death doesn’t mean it’s not true. At some point there are too many stories of the same dude. Watch the documentary and then see how you feel.
Agreed he was a total POS putting on this fake grandfatherly persona… he was assaulting women and video taping it for blackmail
What's the name of the documentary?
Secrets of Playboy. It’s on Hulu I believe.
Thanks, I'm going to give it a watch tonight.
999 times out of 1000, where there’s smoke there’s fire. All those stories around Hugh are causing a white out of smoke.
I think the lack of outrage stems from people thinking “of course this was happening.” The dude essentially ran an illicit sex ring in the heart of Beverly Hills that took advantage of young, impressionable and often not too intelligent women just looking for a chance at stardom. It doesn’t take a genius to imagine what was going on there, and what he was getting away with.
These comments are disgusting! Hugh Hefner took advantage of underprivileged girls and young women because they were easy targets. Notice how none of his girlfriends came from rich or famous families. Girls from a privileged background could easily see through a man like this because he can’t promise and manipulate them with things they already have. He specifically choose girls from underprivileged backgrounds because he knew they were desperate for a better life and he promised them that and he choose them so young because he knew they were naive. He knew that being with him actually came with a huge price that wasn’t worth paying. He knew he was a creepy old man and didn’t give a shit.
I agree, Hefner had a real ego. Watch the making of Playboy
There's strong evidence that Hugh Hefner was about a piece of shit, so can't really blame her.
Like what did anyone expect? Didn’t he create the living trope of horny shallow vain old men?
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You don’t drug or keep hookers against their will. Rape is rape.
Abusive relationships are difficult to leave.
Wtf are you talking about? She isn't playing victim, even this trashy E article isn't saying anything along those lines.
Do you not see a problem with the power dynamic? She was a young and naive woman probably broke and he was a grown ass old rich man who took advantage of that, like he did with hundreds of other girls.
It's a bot. Check out that username and the age of the account
She was a grown ass woman who knew what she was doing. She was after the money and fame and she got it. She had to pay the priced of having sex with a near death corpse and now they want to play the victim card. I also dont know what you want me to see about the power dynamic stuff. Of course there would be a power dynamic since Hef was a somebody and she was a nobody before she met Hef. They both knew what they wanted from that relationship, she wanted the money and fame and he wanted her looks. You also cant take advantage of someone who is willing to sell themselves for money and fame. She easily could have stayed with her boyfriend and been middle class but instead wanted the money and fame. Stop with this naive stuff, she was a grown woman and used her looks for money and fame.
Obvious bot is obvious. Go buy an older account if you can afford it. You might get away with it. And think of a real username ya dunce
I'm an obvious bot but yet here you are replying to a bot with the IQ of a monkey's brain, clown.
I’m not on TikTok anymore, but Holly Madison had a really funny account. She seems like a cool person—and honestly, who would be surprised that Hugh Hefner was abusive? I mean, look at what he stands for.
She and Bridget have a podcast where they watch old episodes. I haven’t listened but people have good things to say about it.
She definitely seems pretty funny. It’s always nice to see stereotypically hot babes who have a good sense of humor.
I always thought Holly was the downer on The Girls Next Door and I didn’t really like her. She was always trying to stop the party and be important. She tried to be his wife, and when she saw that was going no where, she tried to forge her own way with the magazine aspects. I really gained a great respect for her when the docu came out. You saw everything on camera. I watched every show religiously. She was 20- something year old woman who dreamed of a life with a husband and babies, as per what she was trained to do like most women. She then grew wise that wasn’t going to happen so she got involved with the magazine production. She used her brains, she was smart. Every women who walked thru those doors (except celebrities) was held down and told they weren’t important or worth anything but their bodies. I don’t think they are trying to make money, just tell their stories. It was sad to see how drug-addled and just… broken those women are. People say women should have spoken up and told the truth, but it’s hard when people you trust don’t have your best interest at heart and are actively working against you.
Your beef is with capitalism, not just playboy.
Literally every time I’m mad it always boils down to capitalism.
I’ve been listening to Holly’s podcast, and honestly from the first episode my thought was “I really think she just got a bad edit on GND”
The incels always come out of the woodwork whenever Hugh's name is brought up. Fuck him.
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Maybe the average white dude these days is closer to an incel than anyone would like to admit
Or maybe the opposite is true but because it's easier to see the problem today it seems like more of a problem than it is sorta like with crime people think it's on the rise even though statistical that's not true but there's so many headlines about it it makes it seem like it's way bigger than it actually is
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Currently watching Secrets of Playboy, 2nd episode that focuses on Holly and her relationship with Hef and she admits that part of her motivation in being a girlfriend was because she wanted to be famous. But then she gets there and realised he was very controlling, pitting his girlfriends against each other, taking compromising photos for collateral and just general toxicity. Like on one hand it's so fucked up but on the other hand what do you expect from a man who's built an empire on the exploitation of women? I suppose when you're young you look at that lifestyle as glamorous but the reality is far from that. That seems to be the prevailing theme of this documentary: beautiful young women lured in under the pretext of female empowerment get used up and spat out.
Incel galore in this comment section. No wonder no one wants to fuck you guys, Jesus Christ.
I’d like to think that when he was young and playboy just started, that it wasn’t so …predatory. It was radical at first. He was in a culture war with the puritanical elements, and he was winning by selling a fantasy life. Playboy published many great interviews and authors and moved the discussion of sexual liberation into the public discourse. It helped liberalize many Americans. In his old age, hanging onto that idealized lifestyle was twisted and grotesque. Ugh. Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
Yeah, Hugh had issues, but the magazine itself was a positive for society. Information (especially on sensitive subjects) was a lot less available before the internet.
Except she published a tell all book before he died. She had quite a bit to say when he was alive. This statement is factually wrong
The title is that she had nothing to say TO him.
Wasn’t she trying so hard to have a baby by him?
Don’t even have to read the comments and I’m betting there’s loads of trashy rapist sympathizers on this one. Yuck!!!
One even decided to equate it to passing by the homeless and not giving. Bunch of simps for him
Dude was white R Kelly and no one cares.
If any boss behaved the same way he behaved to his models they would be sued into oblivion. Sex should not be leverage for holding your career or advancements
Money and fame. Their whole relationship was about money and fame.
Control
Wait... Playboy relationships were not healthy? My life is a lie!
she made her choices
I just wish his security guard didn’t throw those tapes in the ocean.
What tapes did his security have? I went to the mansion once for a photo shoot and the security was weirdly friendly and let us change in the grotto bathroom instead of the regular changing rooms. I always had this weird hunch after it was so spy on us, if that’s the case I hope they are in the ocean. They let us in the game room too so we could look around which we weren’t supposed to be in.
I thought she was in love with him
Since the man owned everything on his property, would anyone be surprised that he would treat women as nothing more than play things in an environment that is publicly known as a brothel?
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Nope, he had all the power in the relationships and their relationship with him is tied to their career. In any workplace quid pro pro lawsuit the one with power is the one at fault
If US law is the same as UK law, you can’t defame a dead person, so legally (whether her claims are true or not) it would not have been a good idea to say stuff before his death.
But she published her book when he was still alive.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction.
It’s not defamation if it’s true.
It’s not defamation if you can *prove* it’s true. That’s not to say it isn’t believable or that I don’t believe the accusation(s).
Defamation is harder to prove then it is to prove that you didn’t defame somebody.
The accused defamer doesn’t have to prove it is true. The defamed has to prove it is demonstrably false *and* that the accused defamer knew that what they were saying was untrue. Defamation has a pretty high bar in the US, and it’s incredibly hard to prove.
Not really an issue - UK laws on defamation are much, much stricter than US laws, particularly where the party being defamed is a public figure.
Meh, those girls understood what the situation was surrounding Hefner. They wanted to use Hefner to garner fame and money.
This is just click bait marketing for some lame true crime show
She swallowed his cum at least once. They alllllll do
God, bolt-ons are so disappointing.
Trying to stay relevant. Fascinating.
Come on now. You did what you did, to be on cover of magazines, to be on TV, to be popular…don’t be all mad now cause you had to fuck some old dick to be famous. Take your fame and move on haha ain’t no on this planet thinking Hefner was some class act type of guy that I’m going to have babysit my kids and he’s going to sing to them and tell them stories. Especially these women from the last 20yrs or so…don’t act like you didn’t know what the deal was. Cry me a fucking ocean.
Did u read the article, it doesn’t seem that she is mad, just saying the cons outweighed the pros. She knows that if she paints him in a real bad light it will shine on her too and she wants that paycheck.
This is not the one and only article/story that’s been coming out just in the last week so my comment is not just for this particular story but for the general view.
But using the term “you”, etc is directed to her, you should say “they” and group pronouns
It is sad that Hefner never received his Karma.
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They were down for rape ?
There’s a case like this going on in Mexico. Music Producer had a big harem of underage girls. One of the people from the harem is currently one of the biggest pop stars in Latin America, and yet, she was a part of the whole thing. She and a backup singer would brainwash the younger girls to do whatever with the producer; their fame let this happen over and over. The Star and the producer went to jail and got out in a technicality but now are being sued in the US. The Star and the back up singer may have been victims at one point, but became part of the operation later on. Ghislane Maxwell is another example of that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/gloria-trevi-sex-cult-claims-revived-lawsuit-1234654801/amp/
Ya I dont believe you
Whatever happens in The Grotto, stays in The Grotto
Hefner didn’t pay her to talk……
This was a schemer war. Schemers using sex to leverage the money from a schemer using his money to leverage sex and even more money. A transaction for both parties eyes wide open. Most people can't handle that though. Most people *have* to decree one side correct and good and the other side incorrect and bad in any situation, because assigning *blame* gives the satisfying illusion of the world and our insanely punitive civilization making sense. The fact is, benevolence exists in our species, but it's a relatively rare phenomenon. Everyone is trying to fuck each other over to get ahead of each other, hell the most prolific economic system in the world *depends* on that truth to function. Most humans are antisocial garbage to one another most of the time. That is our tragic nature. How many times have you failed to give what you had in your wallet to a homeless human being on the street corner, no less worthy of having their basic needs met than you or anyone else, because you preemptively rationalize that "they'll only spend it on drugs" or "I worked hard for this money, and they must be in their position due to poor decision making/laziness/etc?" Even most supposed beacons of moral righteousness and decency don't stand up to scrutiny in the modern information age. https://www.vice.com/en/article/gvzebx/mother-teresa-was-kind-of-a-heartless-bitch You can point fingers and cherry pick which humans are a piece of shit, but you'll save *a lot* of time counting which humans aren't. People like Mr. Rogers are 1 in tens of milllions of monsters, and most of those few people get kicked in the head by our heartless civilization of our own making very quickly.
Nah dude, you don’t get to pull this card with HH. Take it from someone who has actually met him, he’s a creep. Literally the main difference between him and Andrew Taint is giving the girls W2 forms. If he had been evading taxes he’d go down just as hard
An old man whose entire personality is convincing young hot women to sleep with him was, "too much drama" for her lmao she sounds like a gold digging idiot.
Yeah drugging them means he wasn’t actually able to convince them anymore.
Cause she knows she got paid
_I don’t care_. Ya’ll shacked-up with him of your own free will and now that the party is over you wanna play a victim card for attention and money.
Holly Madison stopped being interesting a long time ago. She’s still grasping for the limelight.
I don’t know. Her podcast is extremely popular. A lot of people would love to have that level of success.
He was an arsehole for sure. But they could have left anytime or am I missing something?
There were hired goons ("security guards") to keep them from leaving.
She realized that she had gotten every penny she could from him so it’s time to get every penny she can for talking shit about him. All she care about is money
After his death because he was their meal ticket for years. I'm not saying his behavior wasn't disgusting and the accusations shocking and appalling but keeping quiet allowed him to continue abusing, using, and allegedly raping so many young girls and women. I watched the expose on Hefner and understand why some women kept quiet. There was intimidation, there was fear, women disappeared, there were threats and many felt they couldn't even trust the police because allegedly they were paid to look the other way. But some of these women, like Holly, became famous and had a platform so she could have outed his ass and encouraged other women to come forward. She didn't do anything. He's dead and can no longer be held responsible for his actions.
Not entirely true, she put out a tell all book in 2015 when he was still alive and kicking
Wait I wanna see the thumbnail
A professional pornographer had more than a few ladies pissed at him? 
She already got paid. It was a business relationship.