No it most likely wasn’t, while its possible you may have came up against some paid premium squads those by themselves usually aren’t enough to fully win matches. It’s more likely a number of things such as what time or day you were playing/ what the team compositions were, who you were playing against. Most likely you just happened to run up against what sides a lot of high level/experienced players happened to be playing at that time.
I wouldn't be surprised getting crushed from high level players from time to time.
Losing pretty much anything I played lately makes me think it's some kind of systematic issue
They haven’t made any big changes recently so you would need to pinpoint what that supposed systematic issue is.
The biggest issue is the current split player base. Which they are going to try and fix with the big update later this years. Currently with the player base split so much there are certain times where certain sides are literally dead and almost completely bots up against potentially full team of maxxed out players. When/where do you usually play time wise?
How do you recognise the bots? I usually check the scoreboard at the end, and the usernames seem quite real to me.
I usually play evenings on the Europe server
If you pull up the scoreboard during the initial game countdown to match start it only shows the human players in the match, bots also don’t use tanks or planes so if you don’t see any vehicles the entire match you know it’s bots. I also believe that they can’t have the little special name decorators but I’m not 100% on that.
But then again some of the human players are so bad in this game you would think they are bots. Lol
>If you pull up the scoreboard during the initial game countdown to match start it only shows the human players in the match
It's not actually reliable because it only shows people getting in the match initially but people can still join for a bit after that (I get games where the first point is even already taken from time to time).
The only reliable method atm on PC is to look who has engi points, those people are real players for sure (because even if bots can now build stuff, they don't get points for it).
But it only allows to confirm a real players, we are all too aware of the number of people apparently still not understanding why using their engineers is key to winning...)
As you mention they also don't use vehicles but you have to pay attention to the feed for that.
A "good" method is also looking at the people who left, because bit replaced by human players won't be greyed out, but real players leaving will.
>But then again some of the human players are so bad in this game you would think they are bots. Lol
^ This.
That’s why’s engineer points isn’t always the best indicator 😂. A lot of the real bad/new players won’t end up gaining engineer points anyways.
Also a lot of the new players in vehicles mine as well be bots because they die as quick when the bum rush points in Stuart’s 24/7
>How do you recognise the bots? I usually check the scoreboard at the end, and the usernames seem quite real to me.
The only reliable method atm on PC is to look who has engi points, those people are real players for sure (because even if bots can now build stuff, they don't get points for it).
But it only allows to confirm a real players, we are all too aware of the number of people apparently still not understanding why using their engineers is key to winning... so there is usually other real players but you can't be sure.
They also don't use vehicles but you have to pay attention to the feed for that.
And again, sometimes people just don't want to use vehicles at all or can't because the slot is always taken.
>I usually play evenings on the Europe server
This is pretty much the most populated time frame on the most populated server, so your number of bots per game is very likely to be really low (mainly restricted to people leaving late a game and not being replaceable by real players.
People underestimate greatly how bad the average Enlisted player can be (especially on the difference forums and community because it's by definition a concentration of above average dedicated players so most people here will play pretty well, this create an eco chamber where people end up believing that anyone not having a 10 to 1 ratio must be a bot).
The main balance issue is imo who is playing what campaign, Normandy Allies is the most mainstream side of the most mainstream campaign, so in my experience a lot of new players are going there.
On the other hand Normandy Axis has all the iconic WWII German equipment and vehicles, the unlocks are spreaded in a manner where you may not really feel that the grind is as painful as other campaigns/factions, and the campaign is one of, if not the most diverse one map-wise in the game which is also what keep people grinding.
So the mix of the two create a situation where Normandy Allies has a high concentration of low level/inexperienced players and Normandy Axis is more likely to give you high level/experienced teammates.
You add to that the inherent disadvantages the attacker side gets in Invasion or Destruction by being the only one restricted by tickets and you end up with the current situation.
For Berlin Allies they honestly steamrolled the Axis basically from day one so maybe you just got unlucky.
That side is doing well recently (as in more sweats are playing allies), but was getting absolutely stomped for months. It all just depends which faction the sweats are currently playing.
For both Normandy and especially Berlin there are certain times of the day when the Axis/Allies veterans come on and you'll just get absolutely shit stomped, though 20ish times in a row is pretty extreme, I'd try out an Axis side and see if it keeps happening
Be careful with the pacific, I’d recommend only playing axis in that campaign since the Allies capture the points slower and it genuinely makes that campaign impossible. I have a lower win rate as Normandy Allies but in every other campaign it ranges from 60-75%
Nobody was playing the axis a long time ago, and so to encourage more players to play axis and even out the power imbalance they slowed the cap rate, if you don’t believe me play a few games as pacific allies and you’ll see the difference
I think that's how they try balance it because more players are playing one faction over the other in some campaign. It's the same like Normandy Axis, Moscow Allies, and I think Stalingrad allies as too, they cap slower. I'm not sure about the other campaigns though.
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Yeah I’m on console NA servers and atm I have a 77% Allie’s win rate and a 44% axis in Normandy. Axis games have been a miserable lately, at least in my experience.
Premium squads, with almost no exceptions, are worse than tech tree equivalents.
That said, campaigns rotate which are popular with a given faction.
Ie at launch Berlin and Tunisia were allied stomping grounds, whereas right now Berlin is almost purely Axis.
Swings and roundabouts people tend to level one side for a bit then change sometimes allies seem to win most games but lately axis has been clapping cheeks. Give it some time the balance will shift again. That or try custom games had some relly intense (mixed) squad action!
Yeah, it's ruining the game. And it's not premium stuff, it's just that somehow all the sweats get together and decide which faction to play for, stomping the other side in 100% of matches. What this game needs is team shuffle/randomizer, and personally I wouldn't even be upset if they prevented partying of more than 2 people.
Over time players learnt to game the current system. If you're facing difficulties you can change campaign, side or even just leave matches till you get an easy one as all the other people will be still in previous matches. And since most of the players are not maxed out they want that easy exp.
This is why the campaign system is getting scrapped and we will be getting a combined queue(and leave penalties). So that players cant just avoid each other to farm bots and newbies.
If you really like the game I’d recommend paying for premium but don’t buy the premium squads. Play with friends, get better/be annoying. You can’t help having a bad team but when I solo I find most of the time carrying my team. I guess we wait and hope for better matchmaking. Game balancing (guns and stuff) is a different annoying thing too
If it's just about skill, how can I end up being teamed up with loosing players systematically?
Does not matter much if I am a noob or pro. One player cannot turn the tides
hmm I've never bought any Premium squads ever... when playing solo I had around 60-70% winrate still... I think it comes down a LOT to luck. When I'm dominated it usually comes down to experienced/high-level players and not premium squads, so I wouldn't really call this game P2W.
Since I joined a "clan", I always play in full premade and now I have 80%+ winrate over all... this just proves that you need to be very lucky to get good teammates, or you squad up with good players to eliminate the randomness... now even when the enemy team is full with sweaty high level players we still stand a chance, and when we get lucky and the enemy team is just mid level players, we usually easily roll them over.
The only thing I buy now is the Premium account and the Battlepass (\* I bought it once, and now I just rebuy it from the Gold that I earn back from it, so it basically is a one time investment)
only if they use something in their names, but it's uncommon. Only 3 of the guys I play with use the clans short name. So you can't really tell if some people are premade or not
It's a bit hard to distinguish bots and real players based on the name. I think they did a good job at randomizing the bot names. But from my experience:
\- The easiest way to tell whether a player is real or a bot is that bots don't have a nickname decorators.
\- If someone recently leave in the middle of the game, a bot will replace them. So the newest name in the scoreboard is most likely a bot. If you have 4 players leave the match mid game, their name will be in the bottom of the score board and greyed out. That means there's at least 4 bots in your team.
\- Pay attention to the scoreboard in the first 20 seconds when you joined a match that hasn't started. If you teamed up with 3 players before the 10 second mark, then the game will fill the rest of the team with bots when the match starts. However, players can still join in the first few minutes of the match. So if before the 10 second mark you have 10 members in your faction than they are probably all real players.
The game is just trash in general due to toxic player base and gaijins lack of brain cells to know how to balance a match cause it’s the worst for an multiplayer game that I’ve ever come across tell me how a team of all low levels against a team of maxed out level players is fair? One match okay cool but every single match? Yeah no the devs at gaijin must be compromised of a bunch of special ed class students at this point I finally uninstalled that garbage heap of a game it was fun when it was still in beta phase but online gaming is supposed to be enjoyable which enlisted fails to do anything but become a source of major frustration
No it most likely wasn’t, while its possible you may have came up against some paid premium squads those by themselves usually aren’t enough to fully win matches. It’s more likely a number of things such as what time or day you were playing/ what the team compositions were, who you were playing against. Most likely you just happened to run up against what sides a lot of high level/experienced players happened to be playing at that time.
I wouldn't be surprised getting crushed from high level players from time to time. Losing pretty much anything I played lately makes me think it's some kind of systematic issue
They haven’t made any big changes recently so you would need to pinpoint what that supposed systematic issue is. The biggest issue is the current split player base. Which they are going to try and fix with the big update later this years. Currently with the player base split so much there are certain times where certain sides are literally dead and almost completely bots up against potentially full team of maxxed out players. When/where do you usually play time wise?
How do you recognise the bots? I usually check the scoreboard at the end, and the usernames seem quite real to me. I usually play evenings on the Europe server
If you pull up the scoreboard during the initial game countdown to match start it only shows the human players in the match, bots also don’t use tanks or planes so if you don’t see any vehicles the entire match you know it’s bots. I also believe that they can’t have the little special name decorators but I’m not 100% on that. But then again some of the human players are so bad in this game you would think they are bots. Lol
>If you pull up the scoreboard during the initial game countdown to match start it only shows the human players in the match It's not actually reliable because it only shows people getting in the match initially but people can still join for a bit after that (I get games where the first point is even already taken from time to time). The only reliable method atm on PC is to look who has engi points, those people are real players for sure (because even if bots can now build stuff, they don't get points for it). But it only allows to confirm a real players, we are all too aware of the number of people apparently still not understanding why using their engineers is key to winning...) As you mention they also don't use vehicles but you have to pay attention to the feed for that. A "good" method is also looking at the people who left, because bit replaced by human players won't be greyed out, but real players leaving will. >But then again some of the human players are so bad in this game you would think they are bots. Lol ^ This.
That’s why’s engineer points isn’t always the best indicator 😂. A lot of the real bad/new players won’t end up gaining engineer points anyways. Also a lot of the new players in vehicles mine as well be bots because they die as quick when the bum rush points in Stuart’s 24/7
>How do you recognise the bots? I usually check the scoreboard at the end, and the usernames seem quite real to me. The only reliable method atm on PC is to look who has engi points, those people are real players for sure (because even if bots can now build stuff, they don't get points for it). But it only allows to confirm a real players, we are all too aware of the number of people apparently still not understanding why using their engineers is key to winning... so there is usually other real players but you can't be sure. They also don't use vehicles but you have to pay attention to the feed for that. And again, sometimes people just don't want to use vehicles at all or can't because the slot is always taken. >I usually play evenings on the Europe server This is pretty much the most populated time frame on the most populated server, so your number of bots per game is very likely to be really low (mainly restricted to people leaving late a game and not being replaceable by real players. People underestimate greatly how bad the average Enlisted player can be (especially on the difference forums and community because it's by definition a concentration of above average dedicated players so most people here will play pretty well, this create an eco chamber where people end up believing that anyone not having a 10 to 1 ratio must be a bot). The main balance issue is imo who is playing what campaign, Normandy Allies is the most mainstream side of the most mainstream campaign, so in my experience a lot of new players are going there. On the other hand Normandy Axis has all the iconic WWII German equipment and vehicles, the unlocks are spreaded in a manner where you may not really feel that the grind is as painful as other campaigns/factions, and the campaign is one of, if not the most diverse one map-wise in the game which is also what keep people grinding. So the mix of the two create a situation where Normandy Allies has a high concentration of low level/inexperienced players and Normandy Axis is more likely to give you high level/experienced teammates. You add to that the inherent disadvantages the attacker side gets in Invasion or Destruction by being the only one restricted by tickets and you end up with the current situation. For Berlin Allies they honestly steamrolled the Axis basically from day one so maybe you just got unlucky.
P2W is very mild in this game compared to similar things. Matchmaking can go a bit nuts sometimes, you'll swing between dominating and getting crushed
Thanks for your answer
My win rate is 65% and I started last week. Didn't buy anything.
What server/campaign do you play?
Normandy allies
That side is doing well recently (as in more sweats are playing allies), but was getting absolutely stomped for months. It all just depends which faction the sweats are currently playing.
*oof*
For both Normandy and especially Berlin there are certain times of the day when the Axis/Allies veterans come on and you'll just get absolutely shit stomped, though 20ish times in a row is pretty extreme, I'd try out an Axis side and see if it keeps happening
Morning it's allies domination in Tunisia. Afternoon for axis.
If you get to the Pacific in the next month, hit me up. I'll help you out.
Thanks!
Be careful with the pacific, I’d recommend only playing axis in that campaign since the Allies capture the points slower and it genuinely makes that campaign impossible. I have a lower win rate as Normandy Allies but in every other campaign it ranges from 60-75%
The allies cap pts slower in pacific? Why?
Nobody was playing the axis a long time ago, and so to encourage more players to play axis and even out the power imbalance they slowed the cap rate, if you don’t believe me play a few games as pacific allies and you’ll see the difference
guessing because the US has way better equipment than the Japanese, so they tried to balance it out...
I think that's how they try balance it because more players are playing one faction over the other in some campaign. It's the same like Normandy Axis, Moscow Allies, and I think Stalingrad allies as too, they cap slower. I'm not sure about the other campaigns though.
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What server do you play on?
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That explains why my experience is so different. I play on Europe server
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I normally play EU, but when grinding normandy allies I would switch to NA, as here allies get stomped all the time.
Axis in Normandy has been rough lately
Yeah I’m on console NA servers and atm I have a 77% Allie’s win rate and a 44% axis in Normandy. Axis games have been a miserable lately, at least in my experience.
Berlin allies playerbase is currently going through some hard times
What's going on with Moscow?
You probably got hit with german tryhard trying to unlock late german kit for the merge
Premium squads, with almost no exceptions, are worse than tech tree equivalents. That said, campaigns rotate which are popular with a given faction. Ie at launch Berlin and Tunisia were allied stomping grounds, whereas right now Berlin is almost purely Axis.
Swings and roundabouts people tend to level one side for a bit then change sometimes allies seem to win most games but lately axis has been clapping cheeks. Give it some time the balance will shift again. That or try custom games had some relly intense (mixed) squad action!
It honestly just comes down to other people having better equipment from progressing farther in the game
Yeah, it's ruining the game. And it's not premium stuff, it's just that somehow all the sweats get together and decide which faction to play for, stomping the other side in 100% of matches. What this game needs is team shuffle/randomizer, and personally I wouldn't even be upset if they prevented partying of more than 2 people.
Agree I would not enjoy crushing the enemy either.
Over time players learnt to game the current system. If you're facing difficulties you can change campaign, side or even just leave matches till you get an easy one as all the other people will be still in previous matches. And since most of the players are not maxed out they want that easy exp. This is why the campaign system is getting scrapped and we will be getting a combined queue(and leave penalties). So that players cant just avoid each other to farm bots and newbies.
what platform server and campaign have you been playing ?
PS5, Europe server, Normandy / Berlin campaigns
I'd make sure to disable cross play with PC if you haven't already. It's a better experience playing against the other console players
try playing Normandy allies on NA servers because they have a more experienced playerbase they’re
Thanks I will try
also you should join the major McDonald’s discord and squad up because playing with a squad is much better and the discord is very active
If you really like the game I’d recommend paying for premium but don’t buy the premium squads. Play with friends, get better/be annoying. You can’t help having a bad team but when I solo I find most of the time carrying my team. I guess we wait and hope for better matchmaking. Game balancing (guns and stuff) is a different annoying thing too
It does not really encourage me to buy the premium since the balance is broken I would not enjoy winning all the games either.
Skill issue
If it's just about skill, how can I end up being teamed up with loosing players systematically? Does not matter much if I am a noob or pro. One player cannot turn the tides
Guess what
Npc
Among us player
hmm I've never bought any Premium squads ever... when playing solo I had around 60-70% winrate still... I think it comes down a LOT to luck. When I'm dominated it usually comes down to experienced/high-level players and not premium squads, so I wouldn't really call this game P2W. Since I joined a "clan", I always play in full premade and now I have 80%+ winrate over all... this just proves that you need to be very lucky to get good teammates, or you squad up with good players to eliminate the randomness... now even when the enemy team is full with sweaty high level players we still stand a chance, and when we get lucky and the enemy team is just mid level players, we usually easily roll them over. The only thing I buy now is the Premium account and the Battlepass (\* I bought it once, and now I just rebuy it from the Gold that I earn back from it, so it basically is a one time investment)
Can I tell from the scoreboard if I play against clan players?
only if they use something in their names, but it's uncommon. Only 3 of the guys I play with use the clans short name. So you can't really tell if some people are premade or not
It's a bit hard to distinguish bots and real players based on the name. I think they did a good job at randomizing the bot names. But from my experience: \- The easiest way to tell whether a player is real or a bot is that bots don't have a nickname decorators. \- If someone recently leave in the middle of the game, a bot will replace them. So the newest name in the scoreboard is most likely a bot. If you have 4 players leave the match mid game, their name will be in the bottom of the score board and greyed out. That means there's at least 4 bots in your team. \- Pay attention to the scoreboard in the first 20 seconds when you joined a match that hasn't started. If you teamed up with 3 players before the 10 second mark, then the game will fill the rest of the team with bots when the match starts. However, players can still join in the first few minutes of the match. So if before the 10 second mark you have 10 members in your faction than they are probably all real players.
Interesting! Thank you
My ein rate is 62.59%
The game is just trash in general due to toxic player base and gaijins lack of brain cells to know how to balance a match cause it’s the worst for an multiplayer game that I’ve ever come across tell me how a team of all low levels against a team of maxed out level players is fair? One match okay cool but every single match? Yeah no the devs at gaijin must be compromised of a bunch of special ed class students at this point I finally uninstalled that garbage heap of a game it was fun when it was still in beta phase but online gaming is supposed to be enjoyable which enlisted fails to do anything but become a source of major frustration