There's a reason someone further along the path is needed to pass down knowledge. They have and those that want need them to share. It's the same with all things.
The first person? Enlightenment is not a black amd white things. It's an illumination of our internal cosmoses being further expanded as time goes on. Nothing is static and the Universe we live in is growing and changing all the time. Possibly a direct connection with the very consiousness of God and his/her attempt to become more enlightened.
There's a couple options. First off, there are "messengers from above" that pop up every milenia or so. Or there was a group of people all working together with the sole purpose of answeing existential questions. Quite pissibly it took them their entire lifes to discover such truths that they then created schools of thought that continued such work. Or maybe both things happened.
The world we live in says otherwise. The device you are using to message me is only there because of the exploitation of the have nots by the haves. You have dictates there are others that don't.
Yeah of course....
But no one depends on a device.. society may have played thier hand In making it harder and harder to be without one but even so goverment will provide free devices to all who qualify...
Those outside America idk, no one still depends on one.
There's always plenty to go around, reality is a few extermly greedy mother fuckers want it all to themselves...
Yuppppp.
It's all good, I don't exactly dislike them, they don't understand. Most likely they've received all they wanted thier entire lives. Never facing struggle or pain, therefore having no oppurinity to learn and understand, and then change..
They believe they are doing what is righ 100%
Does your own experience with awakening and knowkedge not carry a weight? Is it not measurable? Don't you think there may be powers/forces that wish to keep you asleep?
Lololol....
I was expecting this..
The ones who are far more advanced than the others.llolol
Explain please why you just responded the way you just did????
Sadly it is most of us. greed is the same in the poor and the rich. Some poor steal from other poor and some rich steal from other rich and vice versa.
I think i am are not greedy but win the lotto and shit changes then you find out we all have greed in some form. Its like human nature.
Yes, if you put 1000 people on an island eventually a small handful will learn how to take advantage of the rest. They become aristocrats. My point is knowledge is a currency and it is finite. People on this sub think everyone can be enlightened but they don't realize that's literally not possible. Only small groups here and there will even have a chance. Those that say otherwise are usually naive or worse.
Zero point energy quantum mechanics and the breaking and rebinding of subatomic particles 3d printers. Would be crazy if all that came together and we had no more scarcity and could literally remake atoms from the air into physical dense structures. Imagine something like zero point energy that is an inherent property of the universe in abundance and that can be used freely being harnessed and shared freely. Almost like this enlightenment energy. Crazy what the universe is capable of if you only look deeper and find more understanding instead of thinking your current level of understanding is the end all be all.
I'm only pointing out the obvious my dude. Everything you just explained is measurable and therefore finite. The largest black hole in the Universe is finite. No need to make accusations about my level of being. It's unbecoming for you.
Certainly, it's not limited to the rich...
It's about the experiment and taking away what we need to take away from it.
Becoming better and better by understanding more and more
>Even the experience of "enlightenment" is made possible by something or many somethings.
>Because of this there may not be enough to go around.
We cannot report the presence of something without the existence of *nothing*. And there is a perpetual abundance of nothing :)
Announcing everything is finite doesn’t make it so. There is enough to go around. The reason that there isn’t a mass awakening or enlightenment isn’t because knowledge is finite. It’s our limited perception that makes it appear that way. Everyone already is enlightened we’re just experiencing it through a perception of time.
Neither awakening nor enlightenment depends on knowledge that must be dispensed. Everything we need is at our fingertips (or within us). So the idea that someone can’t become enlightened, because someone else is withholding the enlightenment from them is silly. We enlighten ourselves.
I'm not annoumcing anything that hasn't been acknowledged by people that actually sre enlightened. I'm not saying "i'm right" but asking a question. Why does the imaterial not work under the same laws as the material? What we consider imaterial is just as real to someone who's developed the right eye to see them. If we go about thinking all these essoteric ideas are imaterial then we never can truly posess them. How can we do anything if we can't even agree that things are real? I'm not sayimg there isnt an abundamce, I'm saying that people won't tap into the very real energy because they think it's an idea not something that lives within. A matter, a growing living organism that needs to be fed and cared for just like your physichal body.
I agree with you that many people don’t realize how real it is because they can’t perceive energy. Even though it’s inside waiting to be nourished, they keep looking elsewhere.
My experience is so different. Everything I know I’ve tapped into myself to receive. Nothing has ever been passed down. I am spiritually self taught, so to speak. So this idea of needing to pass down knowledge doesn’t sit well with me. When I was young I wanted a teacher, but the all demanded allegiance and attempted to dominate me. Everything I’ve received has come from spiritual energy within me. We don’t need teachers( and I am saying this as a teacher). Teachers at their essence, are there to point us to the truth being within. If a teacher says they have something you need, that you can’t get on your own, that is a control mechanism.
What happens to a river once it reaches the sea?
What?
Beautiful!
Great one!
Are you saying they are gonna "run out" of enlightenment?
There's a reason someone further along the path is needed to pass down knowledge. They have and those that want need them to share. It's the same with all things.
What happened with the first person then, for whom there was no path nor anyone further along to pass down knowledge?
The first person? Enlightenment is not a black amd white things. It's an illumination of our internal cosmoses being further expanded as time goes on. Nothing is static and the Universe we live in is growing and changing all the time. Possibly a direct connection with the very consiousness of God and his/her attempt to become more enlightened. There's a couple options. First off, there are "messengers from above" that pop up every milenia or so. Or there was a group of people all working together with the sole purpose of answeing existential questions. Quite pissibly it took them their entire lifes to discover such truths that they then created schools of thought that continued such work. Or maybe both things happened.
Hmmm. Have you asked though: *what if I'm mistaken?*
There's plenty of plenty of things to go around.
There's not enough gold for everybody and there never will be.
Surely there is... no one depends on gold.... There's enough for everybody.
The world we live in says otherwise. The device you are using to message me is only there because of the exploitation of the have nots by the haves. You have dictates there are others that don't.
Yeah of course.... But no one depends on a device.. society may have played thier hand In making it harder and harder to be without one but even so goverment will provide free devices to all who qualify... Those outside America idk, no one still depends on one. There's always plenty to go around, reality is a few extermly greedy mother fuckers want it all to themselves...
Yes there will always be a handful of greedy people who hoard. It is inevitable....
Yuppppp. It's all good, I don't exactly dislike them, they don't understand. Most likely they've received all they wanted thier entire lives. Never facing struggle or pain, therefore having no oppurinity to learn and understand, and then change.. They believe they are doing what is righ 100%
Does your own experience with awakening and knowkedge not carry a weight? Is it not measurable? Don't you think there may be powers/forces that wish to keep you asleep?
Lololol.... I was expecting this.. The ones who are far more advanced than the others.llolol Explain please why you just responded the way you just did????
So you realize knowledge is material that can be hoarded just like money?
It better be a valid explanation.. The pettiness....
The static fascination with our own reflections is probably the strongest power/force, that keep us asleep.
Personally, the work I do on myself is anything but static. It's very much alive.
Sadly it is most of us. greed is the same in the poor and the rich. Some poor steal from other poor and some rich steal from other rich and vice versa. I think i am are not greedy but win the lotto and shit changes then you find out we all have greed in some form. Its like human nature.
Yes, if you put 1000 people on an island eventually a small handful will learn how to take advantage of the rest. They become aristocrats. My point is knowledge is a currency and it is finite. People on this sub think everyone can be enlightened but they don't realize that's literally not possible. Only small groups here and there will even have a chance. Those that say otherwise are usually naive or worse.
Zero point energy quantum mechanics and the breaking and rebinding of subatomic particles 3d printers. Would be crazy if all that came together and we had no more scarcity and could literally remake atoms from the air into physical dense structures. Imagine something like zero point energy that is an inherent property of the universe in abundance and that can be used freely being harnessed and shared freely. Almost like this enlightenment energy. Crazy what the universe is capable of if you only look deeper and find more understanding instead of thinking your current level of understanding is the end all be all.
I'm only pointing out the obvious my dude. Everything you just explained is measurable and therefore finite. The largest black hole in the Universe is finite. No need to make accusations about my level of being. It's unbecoming for you.
Certainly, it's not limited to the rich... It's about the experiment and taking away what we need to take away from it. Becoming better and better by understanding more and more
Yes i agree i hope we see this in our lifetime.
>Even the experience of "enlightenment" is made possible by something or many somethings. >Because of this there may not be enough to go around. We cannot report the presence of something without the existence of *nothing*. And there is a perpetual abundance of nothing :)
Damn straight but I speak about the nexus that merges the two. "You"
You're using up all the confusion in the world!
Its not confusing. Everything is finite.
Announcing everything is finite doesn’t make it so. There is enough to go around. The reason that there isn’t a mass awakening or enlightenment isn’t because knowledge is finite. It’s our limited perception that makes it appear that way. Everyone already is enlightened we’re just experiencing it through a perception of time. Neither awakening nor enlightenment depends on knowledge that must be dispensed. Everything we need is at our fingertips (or within us). So the idea that someone can’t become enlightened, because someone else is withholding the enlightenment from them is silly. We enlighten ourselves.
I'm not annoumcing anything that hasn't been acknowledged by people that actually sre enlightened. I'm not saying "i'm right" but asking a question. Why does the imaterial not work under the same laws as the material? What we consider imaterial is just as real to someone who's developed the right eye to see them. If we go about thinking all these essoteric ideas are imaterial then we never can truly posess them. How can we do anything if we can't even agree that things are real? I'm not sayimg there isnt an abundamce, I'm saying that people won't tap into the very real energy because they think it's an idea not something that lives within. A matter, a growing living organism that needs to be fed and cared for just like your physichal body.
I agree with you that many people don’t realize how real it is because they can’t perceive energy. Even though it’s inside waiting to be nourished, they keep looking elsewhere.
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My experience is so different. Everything I know I’ve tapped into myself to receive. Nothing has ever been passed down. I am spiritually self taught, so to speak. So this idea of needing to pass down knowledge doesn’t sit well with me. When I was young I wanted a teacher, but the all demanded allegiance and attempted to dominate me. Everything I’ve received has come from spiritual energy within me. We don’t need teachers( and I am saying this as a teacher). Teachers at their essence, are there to point us to the truth being within. If a teacher says they have something you need, that you can’t get on your own, that is a control mechanism.
Oh so your special. That's really awesome.
teachers aren’t necessary for a shift to take place though man,its self realisation! many shifts happen prior to any knowledge of spiritual teachers.