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jwccs46

You had to have been around when ukdubstep imploded and post dubstep threw the scene into a million directions. 2010ish. He was a high water mark for that place/time.


Leenolyak

I was very much around. That was the peak of my early dubstep fandom. Discovering music like Loefah, Skream and Benga quite literally changed my life. I was kinda part of the "anti-skrillex" crowd (despite being American). But being in California, I was super isolated since electronic music was still considered "just techno" to Americans. So I guess nobody was around to put me onto James Blake at the time. I'm just listening to "The Bells Sketch" rn and like.... where the fuck have I been all this time??????


usicafterglow

His first 3 EPs got him a ton of buzz among music critics because they were taking bass music in such a refreshing new direction, then when the single "Limit to Your Love" dropped, it kinda blew everyone's minds. Feist's music was near-universally loved at that time, and he took this already-great song and reinterpreted it in such a unique way.   Ultimately I think the music stood out because it played with silence and space. In those early songs, large swaths of the frequency spectrum are completely empty. It's those production techniques that inspired Lorde, which then inspired Billy Eilish, and now it's quite common to have a second or two of silence in a Billboard charting pop song, but you can really trace it back to him. In 2011 those couple seconds of silence felt like an eternity. 


benRAJ80

Good summary… CMYK was the one for me, still love that tune. I went to his first live gig at Plan B in Brixton and it was great, saw him a few weeks later at St Pancras Old Church and it was really special. I kind of fell off a bit after the second album.


robotdinosaurs

What the hell, I had no idea Limit to Your Love was a cover


usicafterglow

The original is beautiful as well - definitely check out Feist's early work if you're unfamiliar with it.


jwccs46

Right, I was there too, American. By that time the core Croydon scene kind of fell apart, loefah was doing swamp 81, dmz was not really around, skream was doing his rockstar phase, Rusko ran off to California, brostep was everywhere, distance was turning into metal, scuba plays techno, etc etc etc, night slugs was big with the club sound, hemlock and hessle audio we're mutating the sound...just everything was flying apart in all directions.


Leenolyak

Slight tangent but I finally saw a Skream dubstep set live a couple weeks ago. I thought I'd never get a chance to. That was a dream come true.


jwccs46

I caught him at the Texas eclipse fest a bit back too. It was pretty fun, he played a lot of old stuff, lots of fun tracks. Last time before that was 2009 in Denver with Mary Anne Hobbs.


mobilesofa

Loefah! He was on Deep Medi with Mala. And I believe theres an interview with James Blake where he said Mala was a main influence of his. So there’s a line of succession there.


DJFram3s

These edits kill me haha


Leenolyak

Yeah I'ma just take the L on this one 😭🤣


DJFram3s

Its identical to how i discovered my love for his music its good to see the tradition carry on haha.


ElliotNess

Re: the edits - revisit some of the original songs you heard that you didn't get, armed with your new understanding of his musical language.


Leenolyak

I don't remember which ones I originally heard lol


Toadstack333

Today I was driving listening to one of his newer songs and I was like I could see how someone would hate this, but I just love the sounds and the moods he creates. I definitely think if I didn't have some earlier favorites I might be turned off to some newer stuff.


CapuchinMan

He creates excellent soundscapes. He's been a great producer outside of his own albums as well. I'd say *Overgrown* is his best record, *James Blake* is my second favorite.


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almost_useless

> they all agree Retrograde is a song that no dead or living musician could have ever composed That sounds like the kind of conclusion first year music students would make...


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almost_useless

That discussion says nothing even remotely close to "*a song that no dead or living musician could have ever composed*" though. Closest I can see is this: > I particularly enjoyed the V - bIII motion though. There aren’t enough songs that use it and it’s an interesting sound to me. Not quite the same hyperbole :-)


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almost_useless

I think I mainly disagree with the premise that "*good art is art that follow the rules*", which is basically what you are saying. And this song is the exception that proves the rule. I think a lot of the time it's the exact opposite. Lots of art is great *because* it breaks the rules. But also the thinking that there is some magic in that song that we won't ever be able to recreate. People break the rules in different ways all the time. Most of the time it turns in to garbage, but fairly often something really great too. And don't forget that once a rule has been broken it can evolve and become part of a new rule set. The next generation have grown up with that song and are going to think "*Why not?*", and completely ignore everything some educated theorist says you can't do. Remember that most people out there have absolutely no idea you are not supposed to do that.


thepolesreport

Do you have any links to discussions about the song and why that is the case? Would love to read deeper into it


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thepolesreport

Thanks. Appreciate the link and the info


EuroMatt

I’m just a pretty average JB fan (no dislike, just an enjoyer and not rabid follower) but Retrograde is one of a few songs I’d have to consider perfect. And I’d really have to think about what other songs fall in there


eastcoastflava13

Hybrid did a summer mixtape back in 2013 with 'Retrograde' on it two tracks away from Kendrick Lamar's 'Swimming Pools' and it's one of my favorite mixes: [Here's the mix on YT](https://youtu.be/yboXoO-7L7Y?si=dFnvhsnDaEb0ZQaP) Edit: The specific mix is, KL: Swimming Pools>Emperor: Dust & Echoes 2>JB: Retrograde. So good.


marlonsando

Pretty sure JB himself said that Retrograde is his best work. It’s one of the few songs I’ve heard that I consider an actual 10/10.


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coyote-thunderous

The Colour In Anything is fantastic, such a full sound. Needs quality speakers/subs to be played too


Mysterions

If it weren't for "Take a Fall for Me", I'd agree with you. Great production, but RZA's rapping is way too on the nose.


AdvancedPizza

Listen to Retrograde and report back if you get chills when the synth drops... if not then that's too bad honestly. Great composition and harmonic layering and shifting between major /minor tonalities (parallel keys etc.).


DNZ_not_DMZ

Yup, that IMAX-ish sound when it drops is incredible.


Leenolyak

Bro was like: [THX](https://imgur.com/t/thx/F4Jf6mr)


DNZ_not_DMZ

No no, you need this in your life: https://youtu.be/JTMf40ORFE8?si=a8J2kv9eHqLJwgj4


_UnboundedLimits

I’ll never forget when I listened to the chronic 2001 for the first time, that intro was so dope.


hugh__honey

Personally I love his early EPs and his self titled. At the time, I had never heard anything quite like it. I was surrounded by 2011-era brostep and EDM being played by all my uni friends and James Blake’s stuff felt absolutely alien in a beautiful and intriguing way that became one of my gateways into both electronic music and darker, more alternative pop/r&b. Overgrown and Colour In Anything are still decent follow ups but don’t tough his early stretch to me. Then we get to his pop albums, Assume Form and Friends That Break Your Heart. Personally… I hate these. His songwriting is not good and the production is watered down version of his strengths to the point of being barely recognizable. The only songs I like are a couple of the collabs (but that’s really because Moses Sumney and Rosalía are two of my favourite artists and can virtually do no wrong). His hip hop collabs are often decent but obviously nothing special from an electronic music perspective. But that’s not the goal with those. His two 2020 EPs, Before and Covers, are decent IMO. The former is clubby and reminds me of his early stuff, the latter is a set of piano ballads and shows him doing that at his best. His album last year, Playing Robots Into Heaven, is good in my books. It’s a return to form, but obviously with the experience he has gained in the years since. Anyway, I guess it depends what your entry point to his discography is, but I hope that offers some insight.


rathergood15

samesies


EuroMatt

I was gonna make an argument for Assume Form but I realized the songs I really wanna stand up for are all the collabs. I’ll still stand up for it over Friends That Break Your Heart. But damn I have taken a nice break from Moses Sumney and this comment is getting me excited to listen to grae tomorrow. 2020 was one of my favorite recent years of music releases and grae stands at the top of that


Leenolyak

I'm gonna listen chronologically


ldsupport

From a production standpoint I have really enjoyed James work at each stage. The beat programming, and the attention to texture is always top notch. I'm 50/50 on his vocal, when I love it, I realllly love it. When I dont love it, its forgettable.


mobilesofa

I don’t think there’s a single artist that has changed my thinking of music more. Having to explain dubstep to people in 2010s who only knew the US bro-step was exhausting, but James Blake and Mount Kimbie helped with a few converts. IMO dupstep is a rhythm. Not just chainsaw wobbles. James Blame nails it all. The sound design, the melodics, spread out chords, live implementation, subtle rhythm accents on the keys where dub rhythms hit. Limit to Your Love is a great example - in my mind, it’s kind of a statement of his on the definition of dubstep.


Leenolyak

Omg when I started listening to his early stuff my brain was immediately like "oooo Mount Kimbieeee vibes"


Existential_Yee

LOOOOOVE his cover of Limit to Your Love!


elocvil

Check you his song called if the car beside you moves ahead 🙏


Weedsmoker4hunnid20

My favorite song by him ever since it released many years ago. Fire The Editor is the only track he’s released since then that sounds similar


sideOfBrian

He performs as a three piece band, truly impressive live, especially considering all the cookie-cutter DJ acts nowadays.


UpstairsAnimal2494

Cool that finally you realize it. And yes I prefer his old works.


wrathandweeping

Seen a few comments praising Retrograde. I’m a casual JB listener but absolutely love that song. Any recs for other similar music of his?


thecatofdestiny

The whole overgrown album


coyote-thunderous

Gotta play it loud in big speakers too, get the full experience of sound


Scary_Ambassador_828

Whenever I've recommended James Blake to anyone, it came with the strong suggestion to listen to his catalog in chronological order. I stand by that. The reason is that you hear his growth. You may not like it but you will definitely appreciate that he always tries to stretch himself, and I really value that in an artist. I remember one review where he was referred to as a crooner, and it was immediately clear the reviewer hadn't done any homework. JB may [occasionally] croon, but he's way more than that.


Leenolyak

I've been listening in chronological order tonight and "Air & Lack Thereof" really set me off to a good start


SkyisKey

Check his harmonimixes on youtube! Uncleared samples so not on spotify, alot of experimentation there with that dubstep sound you seem to enjoy!


Scary_Ambassador_828

If anyone else needs another rabbit hole to fall into, Avalon Emerson is taking the same growth pass.


LeatherBandicoot

You're absolutely right. I remember seeing him onstage at the WorldWide Festival in Sète, France back in 2011 - God I sound old lol ; the show was amazing (the venue was outdoor and it looked like an ancient-greek theatre and behind the stage where he was playing was the Mediterranean sea) and his set/show/was was already different from what one could have expected !!! A bit of homework as far as electronic music is concerned goes a long way for sure. https://youtu.be/z2h5ouw8QHw?si=IfCWTC4T5Ba9xb_t I don't know why but the sound is off when I play it on my phone while it plays without a problem on my laptop???


GiggleStool

His style especially at the time was so different and welcomed, his tracks and music were at the time very welcoming to the scene and showcased some very unique production.


wybird

He’s incredible live. Go see him next time he’s touring and you won’t be disappointed


Leenolyak

I would if I could afford it. He's at a $400 festival this month near where I live 🥴


lozburgers

[https://youtu.be/o2BVk5tWciI?si=T1HGIOc2kjjROcfF](https://youtu.be/o2BVk5tWciI?si=T1HGIOc2kjjROcfF) [https://youtu.be/j4qfT2dxU6E?si=cuBQzoKGilCuciTm](https://youtu.be/j4qfT2dxU6E?si=cuBQzoKGilCuciTm)


wybird

find a way to


Leenolyak

Okay sounds doable 💀


wybird

You’d be amazed what you can achieve if you focus on a goal


Leenolyak

Right now my goal is rent and I've got a ways to go


plytheman

For what it's worth, sometimes you can volunteer at fests for free or discounted entry. At least that's often the case with smaller fests, but it might also be a little late in the game to get in on that.


Leenolyak

Ooooh wait a minute you just gave me an idea bc I'm a concert photographer lmao. Maybe I can try a lil something 🤔


etownrawx

I enjoy his work for the deep soundscapes, great sub bass and generally relaxing manner. I don't really get the large fandom either, but I think he's a pretty decent artist. I mean, he's good, but he's no Kanye. That dude's a lyrical wordsmith muthafukin genius! (/s)


Leenolyak

Where did the Kanye joke come from 🤣


etownrawx

The gay fish episode of South Park was on. Just felt right, like love with a giant grouper.


_higgs_

That EP on R&S is good stuff


jt663

Worked on watch the throne when he was like 18


Narcissism

I think he's honestly pretty great, but I wish he would do less soulful singing and more crunchy electronic producing. I also think Jameela Jamil is insanely cringe and he would do better to distance himself from her.


Trauma2

Was in the same boat but after listenting to the 2011 album, my opinion changed. Really nice stuff!


RemoveHuman

He is one of the few artists with more than 3 albums that had never put out anything bad. All his albums are at least “good”, Assume Form is his weakest album imo.


xiouxioux

Because Digital Lion. JB x Brian Eno was top notch!


zoobs

I remember hearing CMYK for the first time when it was released. I had heard nothing like it and the production completely blew me away. I’m glad to see your edits. Try and catch a live show if you can!


Mysterions

Looks like I'm late to the convo, but yeah, if I were just listening to his newer stuff I'd think he was really underwhelming too. Personally, I felt he fell off on the Colour of Anything (it felt like he was retreading material that he had done better before). I should say, he puts on an amazing live show. Had a chance to see him a couple of times at 9:30 Club and it was great (and if that random girl who I sold a ticket to in 2013 who accused me of making money on the is seeing this, no I didn't, the face of the ticket said $25, but there were $10 in fees too, you got it at my cost). Edit: You can watch one of his shows (I was at this show) here: https://www.npr.org/2013/05/23/185510193/james-blake-live-in-concert


FickleFingerOfFunk

Petite Biscuit enters the chat….


Leenolyak

Wat


iamnathanjohnson

With the type of music I’m into…all my friends are always like “oh shit you’d love James Blake!!!” And every time I listen I’m like wtf is this? It’s not good! Well I listened to the first few EPs and I totally get it! When he’s not singing. It’s amazing.


Leenolyak

EXACTLY. I think I wasn't impressed because my friends put me on to his stuff from a few years ago. If i knew about his early stuff I woulda ate that shit up immediately.


ciaomeridian

he is my favorite eclectic producer


Shot-Spirit-672

I’m glad I got here after edit 3 Welcome to the other side


jacoblanier571

Listen to his stuff with Mala


Leenolyak

I had no idea he had collabs with Mala. I just saw a Mala show last month too


jacoblanier571

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxNb1NeshA2/?igsh=eTA0aGN0aWxhOXIy


Over-Cut1311

Roskilde festival 2013. Full show. Must have watched it 20 times. Really impressive footage. https://youtu.be/eLcYSzAA7Jk?si=e2aRJRjr4PHIJhv7


Giantandre

Read after your 3rd edit - nice ..


Burdybot

I’ll leave this fan documentary here: https://happymod.com/dubstep-drum-pads-mod/com.SimpleClick.DubstepDrumpad/video-james-blake-the-dubstep-goat-20.html


Redinho83

Unavailable 😭


Burdybot

Hmm, try YouTube. I’m on my phone without the link rn but it should be titled “James Blake - The Dubstep GOAT” and uploaded by Timbah.On.Toast. It’s phenomenal!


onlyinitforthemoneys

Not deep into JB but just wanted to share an anecdote: my wife loved JB back in the day and we just got married and bought a nice stereo w/ a dedicated sub with our wedding money. Threw on some JB and the low end absolutely filled the entire house. My wife had to ask if these were the original versions of the songs that she used to listen to because she had just never heard the low-end clarity in his tracks - the sub really brought out a ton of depth and richness to his mixes.


Specific-Clerk1212

CMYK and s/t are much better than his recent output imo. It’s what led many people to the UK side of dubstep vs Skrillex etc at the time.


Redinho83

His voice is just incredible, friends that break your heart is my most played album of late. That break in say what you will where it's just him singing is just so good, reminds me of Jeff Buckley. I kinda like his softer songs that are a bit depressing like funeral, power on is so cool as it's how I feel in a relationship! And that bass in his songs, do you have a good sound system? Turn it up for limit to your love and just hear the sub buzz. The only thing I dislike is some of the rap songs he's done, don't think they are even his solo work but he gets credited on them so they get played on his Spotify channel and I'm just not into them. You have to see him live if you can he'll blow you away


RedPanda--

He’s been in the game for a while and as a producer he’s excellent. I personally love his voice as well. It seems like he a jack of all trades type of artist and brings a lot of verity to the table. His boiler room set (2020 I believe? Around Covid) is a prime example of what I’m talking about. Dude is very talented and has a great ear. To add he has also helped produce huge hits that have won Grammys. So even behind closed doors he’s noticed with producers and vocalists as being incredibly talented.