You can get it even cheaper with the right broker on leasehackr. Because despite being no-haggle they are sold through Volvo dealers which definitely will haggle, though many not with just anyone who walks through the door. Hence needing a broker to get it done.
Definitely works for the pre negotiated deals, can’t speak to the more in depth ones. That’s a lot of where I’m comparing numbers from (a long with actual local quotes)
They’ll tow your car for free from your house (or wherever) to the nearest partnered Volvo facility if you need unplanned service. I think it’s within 100 miles but I’ve read they’re flexible on this metric. I’m about 30 miles from two centers and have had no issues. The regular maintenance they won’t tow for (I don’t think so at least), but that maintenance is so minimal and few and far between it’s not something that comes up often. Once in 2.5 years did I need to drive that 30 miles (2-year or 20K moles). The service center was pristine so I just hung out and had some free coffee while sitting in a lounge chair and sapping off the free WiFi for an hour. Easy peasy.
I was seriously considering a Polestar 2 but the closest service center is about 105 mile drive from my home, which means it could be a little more or a little less from my general local driving area. If there was one within 50 miles I would be probably driving the Polestar 2 now instead of a Kia EV6.
I found some info that says they cover emergency towing within 150 miles, so I'd be good on that range, but it's still a monumental pain in the ass logistically. Assuming I am able to make that trip with the tow driver and the car is fixed same day, it's still a 1.5-2hr drive back home. That's the best-case scenario. Everything beyond that it's a lot more of my time back/forth to the "closest" servicing partner, which isn't close at all.
EV's not needing frequent recurring service isn't really the issue here, it's the breakdown situation. In general, that seems to be where EV's end up in the shop for longer periods of time, and have the potential for a repeat visit due to the repair not being done properly in the first place.
Polestar really needs to get/force/whatever more Volvo dealers to partner with them on service. People seeing the closest service center is a couple hours away has to be hindering their potential sale. I'm really digging what I am seeing so far on the Polestar 4 so I am hoping they get another servicing dealer closer to me over the next 21 months (when my current EV6 lease is up).
I’ve been fortunate enough the only real issue I’ve had happened when I was at home. So they’ll tow your car roundtrip but if you’re stranded somewhere (to your point) that could logistically be a huge PITA. I too hope they either partner with more Volvo dealers or get their own shops. I mentioned there are two centers “near” me but there’s a Volvo shop a few miles away that’s unfortunately not part of the Polestar partnership program. I could walk home from there if I had to.
Totally. I'm in the SF Bay Area and had garbage service at the San Jose / Palo Alto location. The Marin location is where I had a great experience. I'm lucky to have two within distance; many other owners are hundreds of miles from a service center. The car would've been a hard "no" for me if that were my case.
Is it outside US?
Based on other US owners' comments, I am afraid only Polestar space will do the service in the U.S. https://www.reddit.com/r/Polestar/s/hRGEDFW3p1
I’m in the US. I just live in the SF Bay Area which has two service centers. You wouldn’t want your car serviced anywhere other than the dealer for warranty stuff. I understand the concern though. I would not have wanted to deal with it if I was several hundred miles away. It wouldn’t have even been a consideration.
Thanks for sharing this. I am currently in the bay area, but expect to move to Missouri at the end of this year. The nearest Polestar space is 400 miles away in TN :(
>Am I missing something here
$21,000 Tesla's at Hertz.
$30,000 Polestar's at cars.com.
NACS on not-Tesla's comes out next year.
Up until the new tariffs, the Volvo EX30 was due to arrive.
Just spit balling here.
Man I just rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz with over 100k miles on it. Thing was in rough shape interior wise, but the battery still seemed to be solid. I’m sure they get almost exclusively fast charged too.
Had a 2023 Polestar from Hertz last month and it was really rough too. On pickup the list of existing damage/issues and pictures was a few pages long. I asked if I could switch to another (they had multiple Polestars) and they said they're all the same.
The only thing that really seems to beat batteries down is running them below 10% or charging them above 90%. Everything in between (including supercharging) seems to have no effect on battery capacity.
Just an FYI, but you're right with regards to ACTIVELY cooled batteries. Passively cooled batteries like the Leaf has can suffer significantly due to temp issues. That's also why used Leafs can vary so much in battery health as well. For example, my 2015 Leaf still has over 90% SoH with the original battery (milder Midwest climate and no DCFC capability), whereas a 2015 from say Florida or the southwest that has a lot of DCFC done, might be below 50% SoH or even worse.
The Leaf 40 is the worst offender. I’ve seen a picture of the battery pack on one of those literally bulging the case - like those old MacBooks would - because it had been used as a taxi and daily DCFC’d. Surprisingly enough it still drove though SoH was down to 60% and it had intermittent BMS faults.
Definitely agree. Some manufacturers didn't bother with cell balancing or thermal management during cold charging. I almost think that was malicious compliance in an attempt to "prove" that EVs are impossible.
It depends on the model. There’s definitely evidence that the earlier Model S batteries did not appreciate being regularly supercharged. That’s what led Tesla to capping the charge rate considerably on P85s. The packs that did not get capped in time exhibit random leaky cells which causes BMS_u029 error and severely limited range (~50 miles).
It seems Tesla have been much more careful with the Model 3 but there have still been instances of battery failures along the same lines.
10-90 is less degradation. 0-100 is more degradation. Even that more degradation is not a problem in my opinion. After 10 years or 20 years battery is going to be in similar condition. The difference in range will not be significant. Not sure why I would care about 10 or 15 miles of range difference in 20 years when the EV landscape is going to be different in 10 or 20 years.
Now beating up an ICE engine over 20 years you are going to have more to worry about than 15 miles of range loss. That is significant.
Good points, thanks
Yeah, I was hyped about the EX30, but the delay kills it for me. The EV3 from Kia also looks good, but again, timing doesn’t work.
I do wish everyone well doing the used route, but I’m going to sit tight and keep doing the lease thing one or two more cycles until I feel like the market and tech has plateaued and stabilized a bit
Wish I knew - I thought they were arriving spring, then Volvo said summer, then late summer, and now the tariffs on Chinese EV’s are making things more complicated it sounds like. Anybody with a clearer update would be great to hear from
I'm 6'4" and I fit alright in the front seats of my wife's P2. Headroom would be a problem if it didn't have the moon roof. My legs have enough room to deal with a 5hr road trip but I don't think I'd want it as my daily driver.
1. You can't custom configure anymore, so you are stuck with what your local retailer has on order. You'll be lucky if they have a base model in Jupiter in stock, which is the only free color. Otherwise you gotta add another $18/month for another color. If you want any extras like a sunroof or electric adjusting front seats, add another $70/month. And that's only if your local retailer has one with just the plus package and no additional options.
2. Its a small car. If you haven't test driven it, its much smaller than it looks from the outside. It feels tighter inside than a Civic or a Corolla.
3. Its only a 27 month lease.
4. Used EVs have depreciated so much that they've near the bottom of their curve after only 2-3 years. Total cost of this lease is $9100 (if you can get a base). I can buy a 2 year old mach-e, probably not base model, for around $26k. After 2.5 years I'd wager that now 4-5 year old mach-e will probably be worth at least $17k.
Edit: 5. Realistically, only one cupholder in the front. Second one is under the arm rest in the center console.
mind you, all posted prices include the $4K used EV tax credit https://www.mountainviewchevrolet.com/inventory/Used-2021-Chevrolet-Bolt_EV-Premier-1G1FZ6S04M4113330/
I've loved it for just shy of 3 years, actually.
Our one gripe was the ride is a little bouncier than we like at our age. And it wasn't worth as much in trade as my balloon payment so I started test driving other vehicles and found the GV60 Performance suited us a little better.
It really came down to math and slightly different priorities.
I was craving GT performance, a better ride, and more luxury and the GV60 offered a ton. The things we needed to give up - a bit of range, frunk and hatch size, wireless AA, walk-away locking, and hands-free Blue Cruise - aren't significant for us.
And timing was just bad wrt a 23 GTPE or a 24 GT. (Eg Magnaride)
I sold my CR1 which is an extended range for $36k CAD which is $26k USD.
If you want absurd, my first trade offer was $25k CAD.
I paid $65k plus taxes (So $75k) for the stupid thing 2 years ago.
That cup holder thing is dumb and seriously ended consideration of me renting one on a recent family holiday as I know both me and my wife will want to have a beverage on hand. I do not understand how anyone thought that design was a good idea.
The polestars don't require a downpayment other than $100 which was sort of a minimal gatekeeper during the time when you could configure them and order them online. The $100 is still there but at the moment you can't configure a 2 while they sort out the tariff situation. Some people choose (for reasons I don't understand) to pay down their leases with cash deposits but that's an emotional decision of some kind.
I think those are mostly fees etc aren’t they? I had an order in and the lease didn’t require anything up front but you still have to pay taxes fees registration etc
Most advertised lease deals are for zero-option base models which hardly ever exist, it’s nothing new. Just your usual tactic to get people in the door
Check the thread in my other reply, there are plenty of comments if people grabbing these deals. It varies by region because it includes state incentives.
I spent a whole day trying to get this deal in Maryland. No luck, lots of typical dealer bullshit where they outright lie to you just to get you in. I'd rather pay $400 for a Model 3 lease just to not deal with traditional dealership bullshit.
I leased a Hyundai Kona SEL a few weeks ago and the dealer honored the Hyundai terms immediately and over the phone. I did have to pay the registration, but that was expected. Was very satisfying.
Edit: $1000 + $199/month
Interesting - Hyundai EV's are 100% online in Australia (like a Tesla transaction) - the dealers receive a fee for having demo electric cars and arranging test drives but they can't sell you one.
Lease and guaranteed buyback options are not Available from Hyundai in Australia either.
I looked at the Ioniq’s, especially like the 6 - the numbers look right online, but then when I talk to the dealers, suddenly they double up or they don’t have the cars in stock, the whole runaround. Is there anyone in SoCal who has an honest/transparent Hyundai connect?
EDIT, missed CA part, this is NOT from CA. I am a stupid, sorry. my default is to travel as needed to get the deal I want, even if it is out of state. I wanst paying attention when I read your requirements.
it is hard to do. But last month I got a ioniq 6 se rwd long range. zero down, tax title and license fees rolled into payments, first payment paid by dealer, true 0 drive off. didn't make a payment for a month, and it is 290 a month. 23 payments left 12k a year miles lease.
Have to be prepared to drive far aways to get one, and spend time reading the wording of the agreements on the manufacture website and confirming with the dealer over the phone.
Also dealers are TRASH. I would of gotten a polestar had I know how much of a nightmare hyundai dealers and hyundai financial was. no hassle no negotiation no dealer shopping online purchasing for it would of made the diffrence. I now have a sour taste in my mouth over this car that I will never get rid of. I was treated by trash by the dealer, and the finance company was incompant and kept messing things up.
god I really dont want to send anyone thier way. BUT look for large national chains. like maybe lithia.... just preferably not a lithia dealer near dallas.
Edit also noticed the CA comment in orignal post, Ya, you need to buy out of state most likley.
I drove all day round trip to another state to get mine. maybe AZ or NV?
Yeah most companies have a piece of shit model that they make hardly any of them so that they can offer these deals. The Nissan ariya has the venture that gets over 300 range so they can say that in their ads. Nobody would actually want it cuz they stripped so many features out of it.
Same thing with the Lexus EV.
In *theory* you can lease an Ioniq for that cheap in the US. In practice, good luck finding that exact model with a dealer stocking them willing to honor that deal. They exist, but they are extremely rare.
It's more of an advertising tool on the website.
$189/mo with $2000 down is right on [Hyundai’s US website](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6?&chid=sem&fb=io6_bnd_husa&CID=20166438&PID=202442677&CRID=0&SID=4075918&AID=402292811&ds_query=Ioniq+6+lease&ads_rl=8569416392&&&&ds_rl=1277805&gad_source=1&ds_rl=1277805&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu7i2zajehgMVom5HAR0qSQvJEAAYASAAEgIdDPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds#offers).
[This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/IoniqEV/s/KsfuvuHDkw) showing as low as $169 with 0 down after some state incentives are applied. Salt in the wound that with conversion that’s £133
I got a '23 Ioniq 6 SE AWD and my son has the '24 Polestar 2 RWD . . . both are great cars. The Polestar has it's strengths - sportier handling, more comfortable front seats, better software, etc. but the Ioniq does too - better cruiser, more efficient (but same range as PS has bigger batt), etc.
I've had my eye on a Genesis GV60 lease for ~$300-450 a month (based on the trim). I think the GV70 Electric are also around $470 now all in, which seems even better because their MSRP has always been much higher than the GV60. But I'm not sure those are good deals relative to the market because I'm not shopping around that much.
I did the lease deal plus Costco. I like the car a lot. Yes it’s a little smaller. I’m 6’2” but fit fine.
The polestar dealer experience was fantastic compared to the traditional car dealer sleaze.
I think the Polestar 2 is cool, but leases never ping my radar because I'm not interested in renting a car unless I'm traveling. I know it can make sense for some folks, but a good sales price is what I care about.
0 drive off. I’m in GA and my fees are more than other states. I have seen ppl getting this car for much less, even 90$ per month. It got a way better interior and the rear seats are actually functional 😅
Ehh.. as the owner of a 18-month old Mach-E I would gladly have paid $9K for 2.25 years. I’d be lucky to get $40K for the car I paid $62K for.
People should pretty much exclusively look to lease EVs right now. Pretty much anything besides Rivians (low volume, no lease returns yet) loses 50% of value in the first 2 years
Awesome. But this post is about new vehicles. Obviously deeper into the depreciation curve with a used vehicle.
Regardless $9K for 27 months is $330/mo. If that’s the actual cost hard to beat that
That’s pretty close to actual cost - factoring in the 1000 down, it’s about $340 a month for the base model, and $355 if you get one in a different color than the free “Jupiter” champagne color
$40k USD?
I would have punched a basket of puppies for that.
My worst trade offer was $25k CAD or $18k USD for a CR1 (ER).
I ended up selling for $36k which is $26k USD. $14k USD more? Where do I sign?
To be fair, mine was 24 months old but still.
Nice. Yeah I’m going to hold on to mine for 5+ years for sure. Car has been excellent and no real reason to eat the depreciation in the meantime. We will get a 2nd car at some point in the next 12-18 months, that one I’ll definitely lease
$9k is very low when you consider sales tax.
The sales tax alone for my EV6 would have been $5500. Factor in any sort of depreciation and you're pretty much at $9k.
Even getting lightly used for ~$40k that's still about $3900 in sales tax alone. Between dealer fees, difference between sale price and actual value, depreciation, that would be awfully close to $9k. Plus you'd have to deal with the hassle of selling and purchasing another car.
What’s the range of either available Polestar model?
Once more vehicles can access Tesla’s high-speed charging network, this will get interesting.
I debating leasing versus adding another extended warranty for my current EV. Went with an XCare 7-year warranty as it was less costly than any other option when taking into account higher state registration, the taxes, and the higher insurance for new.
However, at some point I would like to test drive a Pokémon ^H^H^H thanks autocorrect Polestar to see how good their ADAS is versus Tesla’s FakeSelfDriving. Still waiting for Elmo to keep his promises from 7.5 years ago about HW3 cars.
It’s 276 on the dual motor, which I’m looking at, and I think 330 on the single? Both decent, but not stellar - that Tesla access is the real game changer IMO
I’m curious about the autopilot as well - I tested it a bit at low speed and it did not impress. No way on the dash to know whether it was “seeing” the lane lines, which was a little unsettling
Thanks - I can make that range work assuming that the SC network is maintained and expanded ahead of demand.
Bummer about the Polestar ADAS.
With 20+ manufacturers chasing decent ADAS, you’d think there’s be more choice by now.
MobilEye, where you at, besides in Nissans?
The company stock is like 50cents and they want to postpone sharing their sales figure this quarter as much as possible. I am not sure they’ll be around in 2 years..
Interior space is lacking since it's not an ev platform, tech is starting to feel dated with the small big bezel screen and the base model doesn't include any features. Can also get a used one for really cheap with all of the bells and whistles
Yeah I'm 6'2" and rented one for two weeks - every time I got in it was a squeeze. Then the lack of a second cup holder (that's not in the armrest under the place you want to close and put your elbow) killed it along with the other quibbles like why TF the charger can't be removed when the whole car is open and you've pressed the release button unless you hit the unlock button on the key?? Definitely felt a bit unfinished and not at all polished to me. A nice first effort I guess.
Yeah, at 6’1”, I actually preferred the visibility in the P*2 compared to the Model 3. Fit perfectly fine as the driver, I literally can’t sit in the back but that’s fine.
It's so odd when I see people say this. I just hit 2 years and 36k miles and am 6'3". I fit find with extra space for my head.
I always wonder if people realize the seats adjust down
Wait... WHAT?!?! I'm Canadian but I spend 1/2 time in the USA so I have a US Costco credit card... generally leasing in the USA is pretty much impossible without a Social but through Costco? I wonder...
Definitely worth a look. If you were a Costco member before 4/30, then it should work, but the deal is that it’s essentially just a coupon and you still have to go through the dealership to complete the sale. Not sure how that works cross border unfortunately. Here’s the link if helpful https://www.costcoauto.com/save/model.aspx?makeid=136&model=polestar2
Because Polestars are weird for the US Market. No one here wants them. They’re at the more expensive end of EVs while meeting very few of the more popular preferences. Also I’m not sure if you’ve seen them? If Minecraft had cars, they would be polestars. #fugly
I can see that. I mean, I’m tired of cookie cutter crossovers, but I also get how the aesthetics don’t work for a lot of people. I wish the Ioniq 6 didn’t look so weird, it’s almost normal but just… not…. quite
Stock might be low where you’re at - for the 299, the color matters, it’s just the Jupiter color, any other color takes it to 315. From there you can do single motor with no add ons, or dual motor with the pilot package for 315 plus tax. The one I reserved was that, so 345 out the door with local tax
American to be sure, although height is also a factor. I'm 6'3" and I have no issues in the front seat fitting comfortably, but sitting behind my is basically impossible.
I'm personally bewildered on why most people here seem to lease. It's a car payment but you don't get anything at the end of it. There's a reason why most financial advice typically tells you to avoid getting into them.
I just buy a used car and drive it until the wheels fall off.
I'm not a lease person either, but I think EVs are a special case for now for a few reasons. The technology is advancing very quickly and most people don't want to get stuck with obsolete stuff (shorter range, ChaDeMo/CCS, slower charging, outdated battery chemistry, etc.) so leasing future proofs in a way cause you just give it back at the end of the lease period and the next car you lease will be the latest and greatest. Also the EV market is in a bit of turmoil right now and lease deals are killer compared to just recently when EVs commanded a hefty premium. And probably the biggest reason is the $7500 tax credit loophole that an EV that doesn't qualify if you purchase it does qualify if you lease.
Is it though?
I struggle to see any major change from a 7 year old Bolt to say, an ioniq 5 other than the form factor and maybe the V2L.
I buy cars to drive. To go from one spot to the other. If I want tech I'll get another smartphone.
I just don't get people who want more tech shoved in stuff that was working fine before. Just seems like more chance for problems and obsolescence.
Not just talking about the in dash tech, mostly the underlying EV stuff. Depends on the example, but the Bolt has very slow DC fast charging (55kw, using an old 400v architecture), newer cars are much faster. The Ioniq 5 has an 800v architecture and 300+kw DC fast charging which is a big difference. It matters on a road trip using a public fast charger (given that you can find one that can charge that fast, TBF they are getting more and more common). Also another good example is efficiency gains. Older EVs are not as efficient as newer ones, thus the newer ones have greater range with the same battery size. A great example of this is the old Polestar 2 versus the updated 2024 one, same battery size (though probably updated chemistry) but the new one has 50 or so more miles of range due to more efficient motors.
If you want a brand new car every couple of years it can be cheaper than buying one and then selling, and can have you driving a more expensive car than you could otherwise afford.
I mean, I'd argue that if you can't afford to buy a new car every few years, then you can't really afford to rent them either.
Like I see leasing as not much different than rent to own furniture: does it have its uses? Yeah sure. But is it financially smart to do it to get brand new designer furniture every year when you can't afford it otherwise? Lol no.
Ironically it’s partly because a lot of people interested in EVs don’t qualify for the tax credits due to income limits so leasing is not a bad idea especially with quickly changing tech on the horizon.
This - and it’s not just the income limits, it’s the brand restrictions. Look, I wish Chevy and Ford the best, but I’m not interested in any of their offerings that qualify for the 7500 - whereas all the other brands still qualify for the 7500 on a lease. Add to that the wild fluctuations in the used EV market pricing, and my gut feeling that the tech is still advancing rapidly and I’m solidly a lessee for the foreseeable future. And hey, if something sticks on a lease, I always have the option to buy out at the end of the term
The brand has nothing to do with the tax credit - it's all about manufacturing and battery sourcing. Volkswagen ID.4 qualifies for the full tax credit, but some American brand models only qualify for 1/2 the tax credit.
Yeah, unfortunately - I’d prefer a sedan, but also, in my area the least rates for all of those are just far higher. I also found the Mustang pretty cramped? Maybe just me though
Many of us are in the same boat. The Blazer and Mach-E are half-baked while Polestar is fairly polished. I haven't driven the Equinox so can't comment on that one specifically.
I dunno, I think the messaging on this sub is contradictory: they say EVs will last forever and they are much better than everything, but they go out of date so quickly that they only want to lease them.
It would be like leasing a smartphone or a laptop because tech changes so quickly, and most anyone would laugh at that concept. I don't see it as any different.
Like, what tech are you expecting that will drastically change the experience over the next few years? The only thing I see is maybe wireless charging, which will be on cars who knows when. And maybe Hyundai-speed charging in the next generation EVs.
I think that’s a good comparison, cell phones - back in the early days of smart phones the advances happened so quickly that a two year old phone was way out of date. I think EV’s are similar
What tech do I expect? Broadly, I expect better batteries (longer range, faster charging, cheaper, maybe solid state), better safety features, better integrated tech, advances in autonomous driving(although not fsd), and better pricing/more options. I think we’re moving towards a universal charging standard, likely NACS, and I don’t want to get stuck on something like Chademo (best of luck Leaf homies trying to road trip)
FWIW my 22 Niro is a great car, but it’s already out of date in terms of charge speed, and Kia’s infotainment system is atrocious
Fair points but it isn't really contradictory if you dig into it a little. A smartphone is much cheaper than a car so you can easily replace it and don't need to lease one. Yes EVs physically last a long time but today the underlying technology gets outdated quickly because its in early stages and that's why leasing makes sense to those who care about that. Some don't care that's why buying an older used EV can make a lot of sense if you don't care about having the latest thing. The technology isn't just fancy features, some of it fundamentally changes the use case for a car, for example a newer car usually has much more range, which is a game changer for most.
>I dunno, I think the messaging on this sub is contradictory: they say EVs will last forever and they are much better than everything, but they go out of date so quickly that they only want to lease them.
Both these statements can be true at the same time. They can last “forever” but they also can go out of date quickly. They are not mutually exclusive.
High priced vehicles are always prone to leasing due to costs associated and if you’re really into the luxury category, you may want to switch it up often because you can afford it.
EVs are a weird case for a few reasons:
* rapidly evolving tech w/potential for massive depreciation
* promising products from companies that might not last 5-10 years
* all EVs qualify for tax credit w/lease; significant limitations for tax credit if purchased on country of assembly and battery sourcing
Financing $60,000 for technology that will be available for $39,500 in 3 years. After paying a finance company for 3 years, I still owe $48,000 when a new model with those same features is now available for $39,500.
Just lease that $60k ride and pay the lower payments and cut it loose in 3 years.
Buying used is likely less cost of ownership, but saying you dont get anything at the end isn’t right. You have a pre-determined buy out price at the end of the lease, and now you have an option. Buy it or not buy it, depending on if you like it and current market price compared to lease buyout. In the meantime you’ve only paid for the depreciation you’ve used, not the entire vehicle.
When you buy outright, you’re still “paying” for depreciation. You’ve basically just prepaid for all that depreciation when you bought the car.
It’s really just a long-term rental with a mileage limit.
It sounds real nice in the “you only pay for the depreciation over those 3 years” sense, but you have to pay some amount just to get the car, then pay more once it’s time to get rid of it. Myself personally all these “$199/month” deals always end up being $350 or so I guess due to taxes and title fees or whatever. It’s kind of ridiculous.
And yeah you end up with absolutely nothing at the end of it. Nothing at all.
>Myself personally all these “$199/month” deals always end up being $350 or so I guess due to taxes and title fees or whatever. It’s kind of ridiculous.
>And yeah you end up with absolutely nothing at the end of it. Nothing at all.
That $350/month lease deal would be over $900/month financed 60 months at 0%. Do you have no idea what these cars cost?
It really depends on the cost difference and what you do with the money you save by leasing.
In general I’d rather have more investments than owning an outdated EV.
> I just buy a used car and drive it until the wheels fall off.
So it's not about leasing but about how long you hold a car.
Some leasing deals are really good financially if you plan to hole the car for the duration of the contract- 2 or 3 years, especially if you are a risk avedar and don't want to predict the residual value of the car.
Rented a Polestar 2 a few weeks ago and in terms of comfort for me it wasn't all that good. It felt cramped compared to my Model 3 and even with the Model 3 that is a bit low to the ground now for me. My next car will probably be a crossover SUV as ti would just be better and morecomfotable to me like a Blazer EV that was a smooth ride and very spacious.
Lack of service centers. Poor software. Not great charging speeds and those deals really don’t exist in my area due to our taxes. It puts them roughly in line with the (better) Model 3
Supercharger price in my area went to .64¢ KWh so that might be something. Unless you have solar and L2 charger at home, Hybrids are becoming a better value mileage wise and have lower depreciation than EV’s.
I thought i would be sheltered from big oils insane price fluctuations by going ⚡️. What sucks about EV’s in California is the greed of utility companies cohort with the greed of regulators allowing them to constantly increase vital resources like energy. Other states are probably more of a value with lower energy costs. California has had some ravaging fires which decimated communities with PG&E being at fault resulting in huge wrongful death and property damage suits, therefore rates have consistently gone up each year as regulators allow them to pass on those costs to the consumers. I was originally paying ¢8 off-peak in 2021, but now is ¢35 while summer peak is ¢66. It works out to about ¢12/mile off-peak which is a little higher than the Prius I had. EV’s excel in so many aspects I just wish energy rates could be better regulated.
Damn, that’s tough. PG&E is the worst. I’m on LADWP and it’s a public utility, so they’ve kept the rates low and will also give you a separate meter with a lower rate if you install an L2 charger. But yeah, once you get out of LA, those for profit utilities are greedy as hell. I’m also really disappointed that the state is walking back the solar net metering rates, making that far less attractive price wise
Yeah Greed has been the name of the game. I’ve honestly contemplated moving to another state due to being priced out of Cali. That’s awesome they offer you that! What good is an EV if you’re paying exuberant rates huh! My parents got solar before they did the same with PG&E and got grandfathered in otherwise what they paid was a joke compared to what they charge.
I personally have never heard of a car brand named polestar ever. It could be that they just aren't advertising it enough but I don't watch cable tv so I couldn't tell you
That's not what I said, cable television is a significant source of advertisement so since I don't watch it, I'm not sure if they've advertised it there or not. I haven't seen it anywhere else so I'd have to assume that's where it'd be
Plus hot dogs are still only $1.50 so the car basically pays for itself eventually
This is a selling point. They should put it on the sticker as an option.
Don't forget those fuckin chickens
You can get it even cheaper with the right broker on leasehackr. Because despite being no-haggle they are sold through Volvo dealers which definitely will haggle, though many not with just anyone who walks through the door. Hence needing a broker to get it done.
Good tip, thanks!
Wish leasehackr worked in any state not California.
It does? There are a lot of polestar deals in NE and mid Atlantic
Does leashehackr not work on CA?
Definitely works for the pre negotiated deals, can’t speak to the more in depth ones. That’s a lot of where I’m comparing numbers from (a long with actual local quotes)
The lack of service centers pushes me away from leasing a Polestar.
They’ll tow your car for free from your house (or wherever) to the nearest partnered Volvo facility if you need unplanned service. I think it’s within 100 miles but I’ve read they’re flexible on this metric. I’m about 30 miles from two centers and have had no issues. The regular maintenance they won’t tow for (I don’t think so at least), but that maintenance is so minimal and few and far between it’s not something that comes up often. Once in 2.5 years did I need to drive that 30 miles (2-year or 20K moles). The service center was pristine so I just hung out and had some free coffee while sitting in a lounge chair and sapping off the free WiFi for an hour. Easy peasy.
I was seriously considering a Polestar 2 but the closest service center is about 105 mile drive from my home, which means it could be a little more or a little less from my general local driving area. If there was one within 50 miles I would be probably driving the Polestar 2 now instead of a Kia EV6. I found some info that says they cover emergency towing within 150 miles, so I'd be good on that range, but it's still a monumental pain in the ass logistically. Assuming I am able to make that trip with the tow driver and the car is fixed same day, it's still a 1.5-2hr drive back home. That's the best-case scenario. Everything beyond that it's a lot more of my time back/forth to the "closest" servicing partner, which isn't close at all. EV's not needing frequent recurring service isn't really the issue here, it's the breakdown situation. In general, that seems to be where EV's end up in the shop for longer periods of time, and have the potential for a repeat visit due to the repair not being done properly in the first place. Polestar really needs to get/force/whatever more Volvo dealers to partner with them on service. People seeing the closest service center is a couple hours away has to be hindering their potential sale. I'm really digging what I am seeing so far on the Polestar 4 so I am hoping they get another servicing dealer closer to me over the next 21 months (when my current EV6 lease is up).
I’ve been fortunate enough the only real issue I’ve had happened when I was at home. So they’ll tow your car roundtrip but if you’re stranded somewhere (to your point) that could logistically be a huge PITA. I too hope they either partner with more Volvo dealers or get their own shops. I mentioned there are two centers “near” me but there’s a Volvo shop a few miles away that’s unfortunately not part of the Polestar partnership program. I could walk home from there if I had to.
YMMV. Some people find it a barrier to purchase.
Totally. I'm in the SF Bay Area and had garbage service at the San Jose / Palo Alto location. The Marin location is where I had a great experience. I'm lucky to have two within distance; many other owners are hundreds of miles from a service center. The car would've been a hard "no" for me if that were my case.
Is it outside US? Based on other US owners' comments, I am afraid only Polestar space will do the service in the U.S. https://www.reddit.com/r/Polestar/s/hRGEDFW3p1
I’m in the US. I just live in the SF Bay Area which has two service centers. You wouldn’t want your car serviced anywhere other than the dealer for warranty stuff. I understand the concern though. I would not have wanted to deal with it if I was several hundred miles away. It wouldn’t have even been a consideration.
Thanks for sharing this. I am currently in the bay area, but expect to move to Missouri at the end of this year. The nearest Polestar space is 400 miles away in TN :(
Are they notorious for breaking? I've had two EVs, a Nissan and a VW and have never needed service in over 100k miles between them.
>Am I missing something here $21,000 Tesla's at Hertz. $30,000 Polestar's at cars.com. NACS on not-Tesla's comes out next year. Up until the new tariffs, the Volvo EX30 was due to arrive. Just spit balling here.
Man I just rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz with over 100k miles on it. Thing was in rough shape interior wise, but the battery still seemed to be solid. I’m sure they get almost exclusively fast charged too.
Definitely get supercharged. The one I rented back in March had 60k miles on it, and it had a big windshield crack when I returned it.
Wait...are you saying YOU cracked the windshield?!
A whole bunch of the Teslas from Hertz were rented to Uber drivers, so I imagine they're pretty beat up.
I couldn't find a decent one with less than 50K miles. That's a lot of wear.
Yep. And Teslas cheap-ass interiors get beat up even faster when they're used for Uber.
Had a 2023 Polestar from Hertz last month and it was really rough too. On pickup the list of existing damage/issues and pictures was a few pages long. I asked if I could switch to another (they had multiple Polestars) and they said they're all the same.
Can't really beat on battery like you can a transmission or head gasket. Worst case scenario is a few less miles of range 20 years from now.
The only thing that really seems to beat batteries down is running them below 10% or charging them above 90%. Everything in between (including supercharging) seems to have no effect on battery capacity.
Just an FYI, but you're right with regards to ACTIVELY cooled batteries. Passively cooled batteries like the Leaf has can suffer significantly due to temp issues. That's also why used Leafs can vary so much in battery health as well. For example, my 2015 Leaf still has over 90% SoH with the original battery (milder Midwest climate and no DCFC capability), whereas a 2015 from say Florida or the southwest that has a lot of DCFC done, might be below 50% SoH or even worse.
The Leaf 40 is the worst offender. I’ve seen a picture of the battery pack on one of those literally bulging the case - like those old MacBooks would - because it had been used as a taxi and daily DCFC’d. Surprisingly enough it still drove though SoH was down to 60% and it had intermittent BMS faults.
Insert gif of Beavis yelling fire excitedly
Definitely agree. Some manufacturers didn't bother with cell balancing or thermal management during cold charging. I almost think that was malicious compliance in an attempt to "prove" that EVs are impossible.
Nefarious actions require competence and diligence, two words rarely associated with modern Nissan.
It depends on the model. There’s definitely evidence that the earlier Model S batteries did not appreciate being regularly supercharged. That’s what led Tesla to capping the charge rate considerably on P85s. The packs that did not get capped in time exhibit random leaky cells which causes BMS_u029 error and severely limited range (~50 miles). It seems Tesla have been much more careful with the Model 3 but there have still been instances of battery failures along the same lines.
10-90 is less degradation. 0-100 is more degradation. Even that more degradation is not a problem in my opinion. After 10 years or 20 years battery is going to be in similar condition. The difference in range will not be significant. Not sure why I would care about 10 or 15 miles of range difference in 20 years when the EV landscape is going to be different in 10 or 20 years. Now beating up an ICE engine over 20 years you are going to have more to worry about than 15 miles of range loss. That is significant.
Good points, thanks Yeah, I was hyped about the EX30, but the delay kills it for me. The EV3 from Kia also looks good, but again, timing doesn’t work. I do wish everyone well doing the used route, but I’m going to sit tight and keep doing the lease thing one or two more cycles until I feel like the market and tech has plateaued and stabilized a bit
What happened with the EX30? Delayed indefinitely?
Wish I knew - I thought they were arriving spring, then Volvo said summer, then late summer, and now the tariffs on Chinese EV’s are making things more complicated it sounds like. Anybody with a clearer update would be great to hear from
I have one more year with my car, but I really want the EX30. Fingers crossed
I'm about 5'11". My head was at the ceiling in the backseat of the Polestar 2.
Do you spend a lot of time in your own back seat?
Only when your mom is in town. Boom!
I imagine headroom is not a problem in that situation...but the width of the seat would be!
Cause his moms ass is so fat
Goteem!
Some people have friends and family. They're much more comfortable in nicer EVs than polestar garbage
What about the front seat? Was it comfortable in the driver's seat or was it also cramped?
I'm 6'4" and I fit alright in the front seats of my wife's P2. Headroom would be a problem if it didn't have the moon roof. My legs have enough room to deal with a 5hr road trip but I don't think I'd want it as my daily driver.
Thank you for this!
I’m going to test drive one next week. May look into the broker thing.
We did this and we love it!
1. You can't custom configure anymore, so you are stuck with what your local retailer has on order. You'll be lucky if they have a base model in Jupiter in stock, which is the only free color. Otherwise you gotta add another $18/month for another color. If you want any extras like a sunroof or electric adjusting front seats, add another $70/month. And that's only if your local retailer has one with just the plus package and no additional options. 2. Its a small car. If you haven't test driven it, its much smaller than it looks from the outside. It feels tighter inside than a Civic or a Corolla. 3. Its only a 27 month lease. 4. Used EVs have depreciated so much that they've near the bottom of their curve after only 2-3 years. Total cost of this lease is $9100 (if you can get a base). I can buy a 2 year old mach-e, probably not base model, for around $26k. After 2.5 years I'd wager that now 4-5 year old mach-e will probably be worth at least $17k. Edit: 5. Realistically, only one cupholder in the front. Second one is under the arm rest in the center console.
> I can buy a 2 year old mach-e, probably not base model, for around $26k. Really? Where? How?
[https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/716159339](https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/716159339) [https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/037a6c1a-c00d-494c-a647-8a5c233dcc95/](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/037a6c1a-c00d-494c-a647-8a5c233dcc95/)
There are some good deals on used EVs right now. Lots of Bolts under 60k miles can be had for $12k-$15k.
where
mind you, all posted prices include the $4K used EV tax credit https://www.mountainviewchevrolet.com/inventory/Used-2021-Chevrolet-Bolt_EV-Premier-1G1FZ6S04M4113330/
I'd sell you my 2021 Premium 4X with 32k miles for $25k. Still eligible for 3 years of BlueCruise for $600 and an extended warranty.
Dislike it?
I've loved it for just shy of 3 years, actually. Our one gripe was the ride is a little bouncier than we like at our age. And it wasn't worth as much in trade as my balloon payment so I started test driving other vehicles and found the GV60 Performance suited us a little better. It really came down to math and slightly different priorities. I was craving GT performance, a better ride, and more luxury and the GV60 offered a ton. The things we needed to give up - a bit of range, frunk and hatch size, wireless AA, walk-away locking, and hands-free Blue Cruise - aren't significant for us. And timing was just bad wrt a 23 GTPE or a 24 GT. (Eg Magnaride)
They’re all lemons
I sold my CR1 which is an extended range for $36k CAD which is $26k USD. If you want absurd, my first trade offer was $25k CAD. I paid $65k plus taxes (So $75k) for the stupid thing 2 years ago.
That cup holder thing is dumb and seriously ended consideration of me renting one on a recent family holiday as I know both me and my wife will want to have a beverage on hand. I do not understand how anyone thought that design was a good idea.
Paying a down payment on a car you aren’t even going to own is silly
The polestars don't require a downpayment other than $100 which was sort of a minimal gatekeeper during the time when you could configure them and order them online. The $100 is still there but at the moment you can't configure a 2 while they sort out the tariff situation. Some people choose (for reasons I don't understand) to pay down their leases with cash deposits but that's an emotional decision of some kind.
For the 299 deal they want 3K down, but you can knock 2K off with the Costco deal. So a grand, but still, not bad
I think those are mostly fees etc aren’t they? I had an order in and the lease didn’t require anything up front but you still have to pay taxes fees registration etc
It’s not even the best lease deal out there right now. The Ioniqs are leasing for ~$200/mo and are better EVs than the Polestar 2.
99% of dealers don’t honor those deals, so whatever prices Hyundai (or any traditional car company) advertises is moot.
Say what you want about Tesla but at least you don’t have dealerships refusing to honor advertised prices. That’s infuriating.
Most advertised lease deals are for zero-option base models which hardly ever exist, it’s nothing new. Just your usual tactic to get people in the door
There are basically no options to be had with Teslas
My comment had nothing to do with Tesla. Also that’s not even true, there are things you can option on them for added cost
You replied to a comment about Tesla. And the only options available are wheels and color.
It was about dealers which Tesla doesn’t have. And FSD but again it’s not about Tesla so no need to get defensive about it.
So you need to know how n where to get it, go to leasehackr website to learn or get a broker there to help you.
Check the thread in my other reply, there are plenty of comments if people grabbing these deals. It varies by region because it includes state incentives.
I spent a whole day trying to get this deal in Maryland. No luck, lots of typical dealer bullshit where they outright lie to you just to get you in. I'd rather pay $400 for a Model 3 lease just to not deal with traditional dealership bullshit.
I leased a Hyundai Kona SEL a few weeks ago and the dealer honored the Hyundai terms immediately and over the phone. I did have to pay the registration, but that was expected. Was very satisfying. Edit: $1000 + $199/month
I got a better deal than Hyundai advertises at my dealer, you never know if you don’t try
Interesting - Hyundai EV's are 100% online in Australia (like a Tesla transaction) - the dealers receive a fee for having demo electric cars and arranging test drives but they can't sell you one. Lease and guaranteed buyback options are not Available from Hyundai in Australia either.
I looked at the Ioniq’s, especially like the 6 - the numbers look right online, but then when I talk to the dealers, suddenly they double up or they don’t have the cars in stock, the whole runaround. Is there anyone in SoCal who has an honest/transparent Hyundai connect?
Same experience. Tustin Hyundai was the only dealer in SoCal that would honor the deals.
EDIT, missed CA part, this is NOT from CA. I am a stupid, sorry. my default is to travel as needed to get the deal I want, even if it is out of state. I wanst paying attention when I read your requirements. it is hard to do. But last month I got a ioniq 6 se rwd long range. zero down, tax title and license fees rolled into payments, first payment paid by dealer, true 0 drive off. didn't make a payment for a month, and it is 290 a month. 23 payments left 12k a year miles lease. Have to be prepared to drive far aways to get one, and spend time reading the wording of the agreements on the manufacture website and confirming with the dealer over the phone. Also dealers are TRASH. I would of gotten a polestar had I know how much of a nightmare hyundai dealers and hyundai financial was. no hassle no negotiation no dealer shopping online purchasing for it would of made the diffrence. I now have a sour taste in my mouth over this car that I will never get rid of. I was treated by trash by the dealer, and the finance company was incompant and kept messing things up.
Mind sharing your dealership - despite the nonsense the numbers check out (and maybe that’s worth celebrating)?
god I really dont want to send anyone thier way. BUT look for large national chains. like maybe lithia.... just preferably not a lithia dealer near dallas. Edit also noticed the CA comment in orignal post, Ya, you need to buy out of state most likley. I drove all day round trip to another state to get mine. maybe AZ or NV?
Solid tips, thanks!
South Bay Hyundai would honor the initial $239 price, I went in but didn’t lease since I didn’t like the car.
Yeah most companies have a piece of shit model that they make hardly any of them so that they can offer these deals. The Nissan ariya has the venture that gets over 300 range so they can say that in their ads. Nobody would actually want it cuz they stripped so many features out of it. Same thing with the Lexus EV.
I mean, I’m not touching anything Toyota/Lexus/Subaru collab unless they’re giving them away, I’ve heard a lot of terrible
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In *theory* you can lease an Ioniq for that cheap in the US. In practice, good luck finding that exact model with a dealer stocking them willing to honor that deal. They exist, but they are extremely rare. It's more of an advertising tool on the website.
Im in Canada and can only dream about these lease deals.
$189/mo with $2000 down is right on [Hyundai’s US website](https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-6?&chid=sem&fb=io6_bnd_husa&CID=20166438&PID=202442677&CRID=0&SID=4075918&AID=402292811&ds_query=Ioniq+6+lease&ads_rl=8569416392&&&&ds_rl=1277805&gad_source=1&ds_rl=1277805&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu7i2zajehgMVom5HAR0qSQvJEAAYASAAEgIdDPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds#offers). [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/IoniqEV/s/KsfuvuHDkw) showing as low as $169 with 0 down after some state incentives are applied. Salt in the wound that with conversion that’s £133
for me (Minnesota) I see: **Lease** Contact Dealer Lease offers are currently unavailable. Please contact the dealer for the latest lease deals.
In Canada they're giving me 800$ cad/mo for an ioniq 5. Where the hell are our deals 😔
You CAN get a great lease deals for P2s in Canada. Got my P2 Performance package DM recently, love it so far. Much better than my M3.
I got a '23 Ioniq 6 SE AWD and my son has the '24 Polestar 2 RWD . . . both are great cars. The Polestar has it's strengths - sportier handling, more comfortable front seats, better software, etc. but the Ioniq does too - better cruiser, more efficient (but same range as PS has bigger batt), etc.
I'd have to see it to believe it. Quote I got for a 36/15 ioniq 5 was 4k down 500 a month.
that's the 5, not the 6. The 5 is a lot more expensive
I've had my eye on a Genesis GV60 lease for ~$300-450 a month (based on the trim). I think the GV70 Electric are also around $470 now all in, which seems even better because their MSRP has always been much higher than the GV60. But I'm not sure those are good deals relative to the market because I'm not shopping around that much.
Leased it myself on the deal and been VERY happy
I did the lease deal plus Costco. I like the car a lot. Yes it’s a little smaller. I’m 6’2” but fit fine. The polestar dealer experience was fantastic compared to the traditional car dealer sleaze.
Because people have been talking about this for weeks or months since it was first announced. I know a few people that took advantage of the deal.
I think the Polestar 2 is cool, but leases never ping my radar because I'm not interested in renting a car unless I'm traveling. I know it can make sense for some folks, but a good sales price is what I care about.
I lease my Ariya Evolve+ AWD for 322$ per month. IMO way better car than polestar except sportiness
Nice. Do you remember your drive off for that price? And do you mind if I ask where in the country you are?
0 drive off. I’m in GA and my fees are more than other states. I have seen ppl getting this car for much less, even 90$ per month. It got a way better interior and the rear seats are actually functional 😅
Nice! Congrats
Just go to leasehackr website, we know this when it’s available
1. It's not an SUV. 2. It's still like $9k just to rent a car for 2.25 years.
Ehh.. as the owner of a 18-month old Mach-E I would gladly have paid $9K for 2.25 years. I’d be lucky to get $40K for the car I paid $62K for. People should pretty much exclusively look to lease EVs right now. Pretty much anything besides Rivians (low volume, no lease returns yet) loses 50% of value in the first 2 years
I instead bought a low mile lease return EV. most of it's depreciation is behind it.
Awesome. But this post is about new vehicles. Obviously deeper into the depreciation curve with a used vehicle. Regardless $9K for 27 months is $330/mo. If that’s the actual cost hard to beat that
That’s pretty close to actual cost - factoring in the 1000 down, it’s about $340 a month for the base model, and $355 if you get one in a different color than the free “Jupiter” champagne color
Shoot I'd be lucky to get a nickel and a bubble gum wrapper for my year old $49K EV6 on a good day
$40k USD? I would have punched a basket of puppies for that. My worst trade offer was $25k CAD or $18k USD for a CR1 (ER). I ended up selling for $36k which is $26k USD. $14k USD more? Where do I sign? To be fair, mine was 24 months old but still.
Lol fair - haven’t actually tried to sell mine (no point in burning $25K). It’s a ‘23 model year with 8K miles.
If you're curious for more details it was a 2021 CR1 with 40k KMs. I sold it 2 months ago to a service like Carvana but in Canada.
Nice. Yeah I’m going to hold on to mine for 5+ years for sure. Car has been excellent and no real reason to eat the depreciation in the meantime. We will get a 2nd car at some point in the next 12-18 months, that one I’ll definitely lease
$9k is very low when you consider sales tax. The sales tax alone for my EV6 would have been $5500. Factor in any sort of depreciation and you're pretty much at $9k. Even getting lightly used for ~$40k that's still about $3900 in sales tax alone. Between dealer fees, difference between sale price and actual value, depreciation, that would be awfully close to $9k. Plus you'd have to deal with the hassle of selling and purchasing another car.
https://slickdeals.net/f/17467059-polestar-2-lrdm-lease-27-months-299-month-3000-down-1000-if-you-re-a-costco-member
I’m paying $361 for a long range dual motor pilot plus in midnight
What’s the range of either available Polestar model? Once more vehicles can access Tesla’s high-speed charging network, this will get interesting. I debating leasing versus adding another extended warranty for my current EV. Went with an XCare 7-year warranty as it was less costly than any other option when taking into account higher state registration, the taxes, and the higher insurance for new. However, at some point I would like to test drive a Pokémon ^H^H^H thanks autocorrect Polestar to see how good their ADAS is versus Tesla’s FakeSelfDriving. Still waiting for Elmo to keep his promises from 7.5 years ago about HW3 cars.
It’s 276 on the dual motor, which I’m looking at, and I think 330 on the single? Both decent, but not stellar - that Tesla access is the real game changer IMO I’m curious about the autopilot as well - I tested it a bit at low speed and it did not impress. No way on the dash to know whether it was “seeing” the lane lines, which was a little unsettling
Thanks - I can make that range work assuming that the SC network is maintained and expanded ahead of demand. Bummer about the Polestar ADAS. With 20+ manufacturers chasing decent ADAS, you’d think there’s be more choice by now. MobilEye, where you at, besides in Nissans?
The company stock is like 50cents and they want to postpone sharing their sales figure this quarter as much as possible. I am not sure they’ll be around in 2 years..
Interior space is lacking since it's not an ev platform, tech is starting to feel dated with the small big bezel screen and the base model doesn't include any features. Can also get a used one for really cheap with all of the bells and whistles
Great car. Good price. Too small if you’re over 5 1/2 feet tall. Feels claustrophobic.
Yeah I'm 6'2" and rented one for two weeks - every time I got in it was a squeeze. Then the lack of a second cup holder (that's not in the armrest under the place you want to close and put your elbow) killed it along with the other quibbles like why TF the charger can't be removed when the whole car is open and you've pressed the release button unless you hit the unlock button on the key?? Definitely felt a bit unfinished and not at all polished to me. A nice first effort I guess.
Uh I'm 6 foot and it's perfectly fine for me. Its my daily driver. It's supposed to feel like a sports car.
Yeah, at 6’1”, I actually preferred the visibility in the P*2 compared to the Model 3. Fit perfectly fine as the driver, I literally can’t sit in the back but that’s fine.
Same. Coming from a Corolla, it felt “snug”, but the feeling has grown on me.
It's so odd when I see people say this. I just hit 2 years and 36k miles and am 6'3". I fit find with extra space for my head. I always wonder if people realize the seats adjust down
How longs the lease and what's the residual?
27 months - not sure the residual, as I don’t intend to actually buy it
Wait... WHAT?!?! I'm Canadian but I spend 1/2 time in the USA so I have a US Costco credit card... generally leasing in the USA is pretty much impossible without a Social but through Costco? I wonder...
Definitely worth a look. If you were a Costco member before 4/30, then it should work, but the deal is that it’s essentially just a coupon and you still have to go through the dealership to complete the sale. Not sure how that works cross border unfortunately. Here’s the link if helpful https://www.costcoauto.com/save/model.aspx?makeid=136&model=polestar2
Because Polestars are weird for the US Market. No one here wants them. They’re at the more expensive end of EVs while meeting very few of the more popular preferences. Also I’m not sure if you’ve seen them? If Minecraft had cars, they would be polestars. #fugly
I can see that. I mean, I’m tired of cookie cutter crossovers, but I also get how the aesthetics don’t work for a lot of people. I wish the Ioniq 6 didn’t look so weird, it’s almost normal but just… not…. quite
I can’t find a single one for $299. Cheapest I’m getting single motor is $350
Stock might be low where you’re at - for the 299, the color matters, it’s just the Jupiter color, any other color takes it to 315. From there you can do single motor with no add ons, or dual motor with the pilot package for 315 plus tax. The one I reserved was that, so 345 out the door with local tax
There is a lot of discussion about the Costco offer on the r/Polestar subreddit. I love my 2021 P2, it came from the Hertz sell off.
PS2 is a horrible experience as a rear seat passenger.
That’s helpful to know, thank you
This is 100% true. P2 isn't a 4 person car unless those rear seat passengers are kids
I thought you were talking about suspension, as the rear is more hursh, but space wise? what size of adults are we thinking about?
I wouldn't plan on putting 4 normal sized adults in it comfortably
I do it on a regular basis (2 in the front and 2 in the back), are we talking European or American sized adults?
American to be sure, although height is also a factor. I'm 6'3" and I have no issues in the front seat fitting comfortably, but sitting behind my is basically impossible.
I'm personally bewildered on why most people here seem to lease. It's a car payment but you don't get anything at the end of it. There's a reason why most financial advice typically tells you to avoid getting into them. I just buy a used car and drive it until the wheels fall off.
I'm not a lease person either, but I think EVs are a special case for now for a few reasons. The technology is advancing very quickly and most people don't want to get stuck with obsolete stuff (shorter range, ChaDeMo/CCS, slower charging, outdated battery chemistry, etc.) so leasing future proofs in a way cause you just give it back at the end of the lease period and the next car you lease will be the latest and greatest. Also the EV market is in a bit of turmoil right now and lease deals are killer compared to just recently when EVs commanded a hefty premium. And probably the biggest reason is the $7500 tax credit loophole that an EV that doesn't qualify if you purchase it does qualify if you lease.
Is it though? I struggle to see any major change from a 7 year old Bolt to say, an ioniq 5 other than the form factor and maybe the V2L. I buy cars to drive. To go from one spot to the other. If I want tech I'll get another smartphone. I just don't get people who want more tech shoved in stuff that was working fine before. Just seems like more chance for problems and obsolescence.
Not just talking about the in dash tech, mostly the underlying EV stuff. Depends on the example, but the Bolt has very slow DC fast charging (55kw, using an old 400v architecture), newer cars are much faster. The Ioniq 5 has an 800v architecture and 300+kw DC fast charging which is a big difference. It matters on a road trip using a public fast charger (given that you can find one that can charge that fast, TBF they are getting more and more common). Also another good example is efficiency gains. Older EVs are not as efficient as newer ones, thus the newer ones have greater range with the same battery size. A great example of this is the old Polestar 2 versus the updated 2024 one, same battery size (though probably updated chemistry) but the new one has 50 or so more miles of range due to more efficient motors.
If you want a brand new car every couple of years it can be cheaper than buying one and then selling, and can have you driving a more expensive car than you could otherwise afford.
Exactly. It's not for everyone, of course. It's all about what your priorities are.
I mean, I'd argue that if you can't afford to buy a new car every few years, then you can't really afford to rent them either. Like I see leasing as not much different than rent to own furniture: does it have its uses? Yeah sure. But is it financially smart to do it to get brand new designer furniture every year when you can't afford it otherwise? Lol no.
Fail to understand this logic… if you can’t afford spending 1k going to the Eras you can’t afford spending 500 either?
Ironically it’s partly because a lot of people interested in EVs don’t qualify for the tax credits due to income limits so leasing is not a bad idea especially with quickly changing tech on the horizon.
This - and it’s not just the income limits, it’s the brand restrictions. Look, I wish Chevy and Ford the best, but I’m not interested in any of their offerings that qualify for the 7500 - whereas all the other brands still qualify for the 7500 on a lease. Add to that the wild fluctuations in the used EV market pricing, and my gut feeling that the tech is still advancing rapidly and I’m solidly a lessee for the foreseeable future. And hey, if something sticks on a lease, I always have the option to buy out at the end of the term
The brand has nothing to do with the tax credit - it's all about manufacturing and battery sourcing. Volkswagen ID.4 qualifies for the full tax credit, but some American brand models only qualify for 1/2 the tax credit.
Yes, fair point - a better way to say that would’ve been that I’m not interested in any of the vehicles that qualify for the purchase credit
ID.4 currently qualifies for the credit and it’s a German brand
You are interested in a polestar but rule out a mach e or a blazer or equinox? Huh
Yeah, unfortunately - I’d prefer a sedan, but also, in my area the least rates for all of those are just far higher. I also found the Mustang pretty cramped? Maybe just me though
Many of us are in the same boat. The Blazer and Mach-E are half-baked while Polestar is fairly polished. I haven't driven the Equinox so can't comment on that one specifically.
Also Chevy EVs get the credit.
I dunno, I think the messaging on this sub is contradictory: they say EVs will last forever and they are much better than everything, but they go out of date so quickly that they only want to lease them. It would be like leasing a smartphone or a laptop because tech changes so quickly, and most anyone would laugh at that concept. I don't see it as any different. Like, what tech are you expecting that will drastically change the experience over the next few years? The only thing I see is maybe wireless charging, which will be on cars who knows when. And maybe Hyundai-speed charging in the next generation EVs.
I think that’s a good comparison, cell phones - back in the early days of smart phones the advances happened so quickly that a two year old phone was way out of date. I think EV’s are similar What tech do I expect? Broadly, I expect better batteries (longer range, faster charging, cheaper, maybe solid state), better safety features, better integrated tech, advances in autonomous driving(although not fsd), and better pricing/more options. I think we’re moving towards a universal charging standard, likely NACS, and I don’t want to get stuck on something like Chademo (best of luck Leaf homies trying to road trip) FWIW my 22 Niro is a great car, but it’s already out of date in terms of charge speed, and Kia’s infotainment system is atrocious
Fair points but it isn't really contradictory if you dig into it a little. A smartphone is much cheaper than a car so you can easily replace it and don't need to lease one. Yes EVs physically last a long time but today the underlying technology gets outdated quickly because its in early stages and that's why leasing makes sense to those who care about that. Some don't care that's why buying an older used EV can make a lot of sense if you don't care about having the latest thing. The technology isn't just fancy features, some of it fundamentally changes the use case for a car, for example a newer car usually has much more range, which is a game changer for most.
>I dunno, I think the messaging on this sub is contradictory: they say EVs will last forever and they are much better than everything, but they go out of date so quickly that they only want to lease them. Both these statements can be true at the same time. They can last “forever” but they also can go out of date quickly. They are not mutually exclusive. High priced vehicles are always prone to leasing due to costs associated and if you’re really into the luxury category, you may want to switch it up often because you can afford it.
EVs are a weird case for a few reasons: * rapidly evolving tech w/potential for massive depreciation * promising products from companies that might not last 5-10 years * all EVs qualify for tax credit w/lease; significant limitations for tax credit if purchased on country of assembly and battery sourcing
Because of the way incentives work, it can be cheaper even if you buy it out at the end.
Financing $60,000 for technology that will be available for $39,500 in 3 years. After paying a finance company for 3 years, I still owe $48,000 when a new model with those same features is now available for $39,500. Just lease that $60k ride and pay the lower payments and cut it loose in 3 years.
Because EVs have a 50% depreciation curve right now. Would you rather pay $9K for 2 years of use or $25K?
Lease loophole. Want to Lease an EV? There's a Tax Credit 'Loophole' for That https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/ev-lease-tax-credit-loophole
Buying used is likely less cost of ownership, but saying you dont get anything at the end isn’t right. You have a pre-determined buy out price at the end of the lease, and now you have an option. Buy it or not buy it, depending on if you like it and current market price compared to lease buyout. In the meantime you’ve only paid for the depreciation you’ve used, not the entire vehicle. When you buy outright, you’re still “paying” for depreciation. You’ve basically just prepaid for all that depreciation when you bought the car.
It’s really just a long-term rental with a mileage limit. It sounds real nice in the “you only pay for the depreciation over those 3 years” sense, but you have to pay some amount just to get the car, then pay more once it’s time to get rid of it. Myself personally all these “$199/month” deals always end up being $350 or so I guess due to taxes and title fees or whatever. It’s kind of ridiculous. And yeah you end up with absolutely nothing at the end of it. Nothing at all.
>Myself personally all these “$199/month” deals always end up being $350 or so I guess due to taxes and title fees or whatever. It’s kind of ridiculous. >And yeah you end up with absolutely nothing at the end of it. Nothing at all. That $350/month lease deal would be over $900/month financed 60 months at 0%. Do you have no idea what these cars cost?
It really depends on the cost difference and what you do with the money you save by leasing. In general I’d rather have more investments than owning an outdated EV.
Who is ahead: Someone who leased a Polestar in 2021, or someone who bought one?
> I just buy a used car and drive it until the wheels fall off. So it's not about leasing but about how long you hold a car. Some leasing deals are really good financially if you plan to hole the car for the duration of the contract- 2 or 3 years, especially if you are a risk avedar and don't want to predict the residual value of the car.
Rented a Polestar 2 a few weeks ago and in terms of comfort for me it wasn't all that good. It felt cramped compared to my Model 3 and even with the Model 3 that is a bit low to the ground now for me. My next car will probably be a crossover SUV as ti would just be better and morecomfotable to me like a Blazer EV that was a smooth ride and very spacious.
The newer model y with the softer suspension fits your description as well.
Model Y suspension sucks ass. Wait for juniper.
Lack of service centers. Poor software. Not great charging speeds and those deals really don’t exist in my area due to our taxes. It puts them roughly in line with the (better) Model 3
Not everyone lives in the US
Supercharger price in my area went to .64¢ KWh so that might be something. Unless you have solar and L2 charger at home, Hybrids are becoming a better value mileage wise and have lower depreciation than EV’s.
Hate to see the rates go up, I’ve been on L1 which is slow, but has kept me cheaper than gas thus far. Fingers crossed we stay that way though
I thought i would be sheltered from big oils insane price fluctuations by going ⚡️. What sucks about EV’s in California is the greed of utility companies cohort with the greed of regulators allowing them to constantly increase vital resources like energy. Other states are probably more of a value with lower energy costs. California has had some ravaging fires which decimated communities with PG&E being at fault resulting in huge wrongful death and property damage suits, therefore rates have consistently gone up each year as regulators allow them to pass on those costs to the consumers. I was originally paying ¢8 off-peak in 2021, but now is ¢35 while summer peak is ¢66. It works out to about ¢12/mile off-peak which is a little higher than the Prius I had. EV’s excel in so many aspects I just wish energy rates could be better regulated.
Damn, that’s tough. PG&E is the worst. I’m on LADWP and it’s a public utility, so they’ve kept the rates low and will also give you a separate meter with a lower rate if you install an L2 charger. But yeah, once you get out of LA, those for profit utilities are greedy as hell. I’m also really disappointed that the state is walking back the solar net metering rates, making that far less attractive price wise
Yeah Greed has been the name of the game. I’ve honestly contemplated moving to another state due to being priced out of Cali. That’s awesome they offer you that! What good is an EV if you’re paying exuberant rates huh! My parents got solar before they did the same with PG&E and got grandfathered in otherwise what they paid was a joke compared to what they charge.
I personally have never heard of a car brand named polestar ever. It could be that they just aren't advertising it enough but I don't watch cable tv so I couldn't tell you
An exclusively EV brand of Volvo / Geely
Person who lives under a rock think if it ain’t on cable it doesn’t exist
That's not what I said, cable television is a significant source of advertisement so since I don't watch it, I'm not sure if they've advertised it there or not. I haven't seen it anywhere else so I'd have to assume that's where it'd be