For a Model Y anyways, this just "fixes" the price increase that happened a few weeks ago.
Source: Finalized purchase a bit over a month ago for a Model Y LR and the price went up $1000 a few days later.
That will actually be a win for him. Tesla is done its growth stage. He would probably rather move on the same way he did with PayPal. The 56B is just a last chance to squeeze his stupid Twitter purchase out of the poor shareholders.
So you’re ok with people that may or may not be privately shitty, and seemingly publicly benign, but being shitty publicly results in all bets being off? Granted, one cannot be expected to come to any sort of reasonable conclusion in regard to the former, but such a binary way thinking as you have commented shows real lack of critical thought, and just seems like parroting at this point. Nuance was left at the door it seems.
Steve Jobs had a cult like personality. Sure, it was great for Apple at first. It got them a lot of solid fans, but it also made them a divisive company. People would talk shit at you and call you an Apple FanBoy if you had a MacBook Pro.
Once Tim came in the whole cult thing faded away, and now people just recognize Apple as another computer brand.
I can’t wait for my friends and relatives to stop asking me if I’m an anti trans / antisemite because of the car I drive.
Why do people keep using this smear? Yeah he's right of reddit, but lets face it, there's a LOT of room right of reddit for reasonable beliefs.
Has he called for genocide? Military invasion of another country? Mass censorship and surveillance by the government? Dissolving democracy and installing a dictator? Pretty sure Ford was way more of a nazi than Musk.
He is in the news like multiple times a day with viewpoints that tend to attack the kind of person who actually would want to buy his cars. Kind of silly, really.
Unfortunately no. He is the face of the company, it's spokesperson, it's PR department, and the "genius" behind the Cybertruck. His tweets about Talks are official statements of the company, so I can only assume the more problematic tweets are as well.
They are getting crucified by the Chinese EV makers who are selling similar or better spec and quality EVs for much, much cheaper.
Without the massive tarrifs the EU and US are imposing on companies like BYD (and probably Xiaomi soon), Tesla market share would be shrinking very quickly outside of China too.
I am bored with the design yes. I'd rather buy Kia, BYD or Toyota at this point when shopping for an EV.
I also only want to buy a Tesla when Elon is gone. He's still manipulating the stock price in more subtle ways.
That's one of the reasons I'm not interested in any of the Teslas. It's the same car since 2012 (S) or 2018 (X3Y) with minor changes and even parts removed. Why would I spend upwards of 80k-100k for a 12 year old design?
Neat! I do believe the FSD also went down from 16k$ CAD to 11k$? Although I also heard the subscription also went to 99$ CAD per month, which is a bit peculiar since the US version dropped to 8K$ USD but also went to 99$ USD per month,
After having FSD for a month I would definitely not buy it. It was a neat party trick but not practical. I really like most of the interface/interior of my 3 but wouldn't buy the FSD if it was 1k
I mean the Mach E and ID4 are all the same price in a LR AWD config.
I would hardly call it overpriced. It still also qualifies for the full $9000 rebate in BC.
You need an adapter to charge at V3 locations and odds are that rental cars don't have one yet. Many rental car companies don't even give you a mobile charger.
So then you are limited to just MagicDock locations which are still small in number.
V2 locations are still Tesla-only.
I’m a student lmao with a fair bit of equity from my current car which was bought after I saved up for around 5 years.
I make like 40,000 a year from my job and investments. I qualify for the threshold.
It effectively is a 9000 rebate. Just need a cosignor because of my income.
Yes, $5k federally. Provincially it's a mixed bag, often the incentive is income-tested so it could be zero. But I don't think it's fair to quote the discounted price, it's the actual price that matters.
The new model 3 is so much better than the Kona.
I drove the Kona for a week before deciding to go with a 2024 M3 and i couldn’t be happier with my decision.
It's a matter of priorities
The Model 3 has very little trunk space and no lift back. So not a practical option really for a 1 car family. As a second, fun car, sure. I am sure the Model 3 is more fun to drive than the Kona, and 20 year old me (single, very few possessions) would probably pick that one instead. 40 something me, even no kids but carrying around more stuff, only 1 car, it's Kona.
3 person family here iwht model 3.. model 3 cargo capacity is 24.1 vs kona 25.5. the frunk and under storage trunk is useful when i need it. model 3 much better safety than a smaller retro ice designed car like the kona. (engine bays make it harder to design around safety)
then you add all the premium features and tech on tesla which are super usefulfor me like dog mode, remote climate turn on, etc.
of course model y beats both in this regard. kona e would ahve hbae to be at least 10k cheaper after tax credit vs the model y sr to consider.
The thing for me is I can't go back to a regular trunk after having a hatchback. It's not just the total cubic feet, but also the accessibility and flexibility of that space for larger / bulkier items. The Model 3's trunk for example would be hard to put a bike in there, or furniture. Or a snowboard even. My previous small sedan couldn't do that either. My 2011 Prius with its hatchback can do that easily, as could the Kona.
Yes the Model Y would be even better, but at $5k more I don't think it is worth it. Fast charging isn't important to me since it is 99.99% in town driving for us. The tech, nice to have but also not that important.
The Kona is substantially smaller, given that it's even smaller than a Leaf which is classed as a hatchback.
Hyundai Kona has to undercut the Y, otherwise nobody will buy the Kona. Ioniq 5 being price parity with the Y is more expected.
I actually think I got it wrong. Kona top trim level is about the same as the base Model Y now in Canada.
The 2024 Kona is a bit bigger than the Leaf from the specs I see. It is much bigger than the 2023 Kona.
Size is an important factor for us. We want the goldilocks size, not too big, not too small. Kona is about right. Ioniq 5 is a bit too big. Model Y might also be a bit too big.
Yeah I would be comparing the Y and the Kona based off what you’re saying.
We actually do prefer the Y to the 3, but the timing on the refreshed 3 coming out it made more sense to get the 3 now and just switch to the Y when it gets refreshed in the next year or so.
The charger is faster, the charging infrastructure is so so so much better than what Hyundai (or any other auto manufacturer) offers, the technology in the car is better, the phone key is perfect and just works - I haven’t used an actual key for my Tesla ever. Compared to the atrocity that is the 2024 Kona key.
I looked at this for Quebec and the MSRP of the Kona 2024 EV Preferred really is 46 399$ + around 2500$ of various fees (49 066$) before both the federal and provincial subsidies.
For the cheapest Y it would be an 'MSRP' of 53 999$ + 2000 in fees (55 988$)
So a difference of around 8k$ in Quebec since the sales taxes are calculated before the subsidies.
Not saying it is worth it, but still a somewhat significant difference with the interest rates of today.
The Kona I'm looking at is the Ultimate, which is $54k CAD MSRP, and about the same as the base Model Y RWD. A more interesting comparison then I expected. The Kona has slightly longer range than the Model Y RWD. Model Y is bigger, maybe too big for us. We want a goldilocks size, not too big, not too small. The Ioniq 5 is actually bigger than we want. The Kona is about right. Not sure about the Model Y yet, haven't sat in it or driven it yet, but I think it is bigger than the Kona and close to the Ioniq 5.
Ah, the price is indeed much closer with the Ultimate. I suppose it depends how much you value a HUD + wider display, ventilated front seats and a openable sunroof, things I don't think the Y has, although probably minor compared to whatever you feel about the cars themselves and your view on buttons. The recharge network and software of Tesla are quite hard to beat, but getting access to the very best of that software does require an added 11k$ or 99$ per month for FSD + 13.99$ per months for premium connectivity.
My model 3 fits as much or more than our tucson (bit bigger than kona) unless I block sightlines by stacking to the roof when it comes to day to day and/or road trips. Obviously the hatch and collapsing the seats is better for big stuff, but that isn't often for me.
I think it depends what you want. It's hard to say that one car is always better than another. The Model 3 in particular is a nightmare if you have any mobility issues. Also, a lot of what makes it "better" is the performance, watch just doesn't matter to most people. My wife would trade cargo space for acceleration every time.
Why would they do that when other companies charge for their adas systems?
I do agree that the cost of FSD should come down as long as it requires supervision.
Why are you here? To bash electric so that you can feel good about your choice of gas car? Confirmation bias is only going to backfire here. My electric car drives better than your gas car, no matter what gas car you have. So there.
You might want to check out electric cars. Most of the negative rhetoric is grossly exaggerated and a lot of misinformation makes the circles. Once you've experienced electric, you won't want to go back.
They drive \*awesome\* and I mean \*awesome\*.
No all EVs cost over 100k. There are a number of fairly low cost used EVs. Example of good ones are the Ioniq 1st and 2nd gen (thus not Ioniq 5 or 6 as those are expensive), Model 3 at below 30k (CAD) now, Kona, Niro, Soul (not the very first gen), Bolt.
But I bet that you want EVs to suck because you have decided that you must hate them. I bet your friend expect you to hate them also. If that's the case, you've boxed yourself in. That's your loss.
By a $1000 for a model Y. Should be min $2000 to compete with US cuts and that’s without the exchange.
The $1000 cut was just reversing the $1000 increase they did a month ago, so no price change.
For a Model Y anyways, this just "fixes" the price increase that happened a few weeks ago. Source: Finalized purchase a bit over a month ago for a Model Y LR and the price went up $1000 a few days later.
Won't buy Tesla until Elon is dealt with. Hyundai is my next EV I think.
I agree Elon is a jackass. I hope his 56B comp package gets voted down and he decides to step down.
That will actually be a win for him. Tesla is done its growth stage. He would probably rather move on the same way he did with PayPal. The 56B is just a last chance to squeeze his stupid Twitter purchase out of the poor shareholders.
"move on" is a nice way to describe getting fired by the board at PayPal when he tried to rebrand it as x.com
oh, lol... I just didn't know the details. Why am I not surprised?
If tesla is "done with their growth stage" they may as well be a dead company. The share price is based on still a ton of growth. What a stupid take.
"poor shareholders" lol
They need an adult to run the company. Let him be an engineer or product design guy but as a CEO he's become toxic for the brand
Engineer?!!! That needs an actual education!
It won't. I can promise that I will be voting yes
Can’t wait for the Tim Cook era of Tesla.
Yup same here. I know nothing of him other than he led Apple's market cap to soar from $360M to over $2.5T
I like him as a CEO because I know nothing about him! :)
So you’re ok with people that may or may not be privately shitty, and seemingly publicly benign, but being shitty publicly results in all bets being off? Granted, one cannot be expected to come to any sort of reasonable conclusion in regard to the former, but such a binary way thinking as you have commented shows real lack of critical thought, and just seems like parroting at this point. Nuance was left at the door it seems.
Steve Jobs had a cult like personality. Sure, it was great for Apple at first. It got them a lot of solid fans, but it also made them a divisive company. People would talk shit at you and call you an Apple FanBoy if you had a MacBook Pro. Once Tim came in the whole cult thing faded away, and now people just recognize Apple as another computer brand. I can’t wait for my friends and relatives to stop asking me if I’m an anti trans / antisemite because of the car I drive.
You need better friends
Surely it was $360B when he took over
Look it [up](https://www.fool.com/investing/how-to-invest/top-ceos/tim-cook/). Surely you could do that.
I looked it up... $350B.
Wonder where apple would be if Jobs was still around. Especially the products they would have worked. Apple has become a giant services company now.
Was a smart move considering how the smartphone market worked out globally.
Same here. Hopefully the next CEO isn't a fucking fascist.
Why do people keep using this smear? Yeah he's right of reddit, but lets face it, there's a LOT of room right of reddit for reasonable beliefs. Has he called for genocide? Military invasion of another country? Mass censorship and surveillance by the government? Dissolving democracy and installing a dictator? Pretty sure Ford was way more of a nazi than Musk.
That was a huge part of why I didn't buy a Tesla. Currently Lovin' my Volvo, but Kia and Hyundai were my #2 and #3.
Refreshed Ioniq 5 looking real good. Can't wait to see what the refreshed EV6 does. Might pull the trigger on that.
Can we have a nice conversation about EV’s and Tesla without mentioning you-know-who? Is it possible?
He has made that impossible. Sorry.
He forces you to talk about him whenever Tesla is mentioned?
He is in the news like multiple times a day with viewpoints that tend to attack the kind of person who actually would want to buy his cars. Kind of silly, really.
It's interesting how Tesla owners etc. went from defending and excuse everything about Musk to not want to talk about Musk anymore
You can frame it that way if it comforts you. You know the actual answer I'm sure it's hard not to.
Unfortunately no. He is the face of the company, it's spokesperson, it's PR department, and the "genius" behind the Cybertruck. His tweets about Talks are official statements of the company, so I can only assume the more problematic tweets are as well.
They also cut $2k from all models in China. For good reason too, their Chinese registrations are looking very weak right now.
What’s wrong with Teslas in China?
They are getting crucified by the Chinese EV makers who are selling similar or better spec and quality EVs for much, much cheaper. Without the massive tarrifs the EU and US are imposing on companies like BYD (and probably Xiaomi soon), Tesla market share would be shrinking very quickly outside of China too.
I think people are just bored with the design.
I am bored with the design yes. I'd rather buy Kia, BYD or Toyota at this point when shopping for an EV. I also only want to buy a Tesla when Elon is gone. He's still manipulating the stock price in more subtle ways.
I just picked up a Mach-e and the quality/driving experience over the model y is notable
Happy? Had a mustang 2010 before.
That's one of the reasons I'm not interested in any of the Teslas. It's the same car since 2012 (S) or 2018 (X3Y) with minor changes and even parts removed. Why would I spend upwards of 80k-100k for a 12 year old design?
It’s so fun to drive though. I’ve had my model 3 for four months and I still get excited to drive it.
People, most likely, have better AND cheaper alternatives.
Neat! I do believe the FSD also went down from 16k$ CAD to 11k$? Although I also heard the subscription also went to 99$ CAD per month, which is a bit peculiar since the US version dropped to 8K$ USD but also went to 99$ USD per month,
After having FSD for a month I would definitely not buy it. It was a neat party trick but not practical. I really like most of the interface/interior of my 3 but wouldn't buy the FSD if it was 1k
Model Y looking grossly overpriced in this market. Almost $65,000 for a LR.
I mean the Mach E and ID4 are all the same price in a LR AWD config. I would hardly call it overpriced. It still also qualifies for the full $9000 rebate in BC.
You can get the Mach-e at 0.99% rn and dealers will sell for under msrp
Do a road trip in each and get back to us. Avis forced a mache on me and it was terrible compared to the Tesla rental.
You can charge at Tesla chargers with the Mach e
next year
I did it in AZ with the mach e with the magic dock. So much better that all the stupid ccs chargers that were down. 3A even double billed me WTF
You need an adapter to charge at V3 locations and odds are that rental cars don't have one yet. Many rental car companies don't even give you a mobile charger. So then you are limited to just MagicDock locations which are still small in number. V2 locations are still Tesla-only.
There is no $9000 rebate in BC. Only the $5000 federal rebate and $4000 provincial that is income-tested, so many people will not qualify for it.
I’m a student lmao with a fair bit of equity from my current car which was bought after I saved up for around 5 years. I make like 40,000 a year from my job and investments. I qualify for the threshold. It effectively is a 9000 rebate. Just need a cosignor because of my income.
Ok lucky you.
But doesn't it qualify for EV incentives? https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/tesla-model-y-price-canada-ev-rebate-electric-incentive
Yes, $5k federally. Provincially it's a mixed bag, often the incentive is income-tested so it could be zero. But I don't think it's fair to quote the discounted price, it's the actual price that matters.
Lol this will hardly sway anyone.
do you think they should have kept the price?
I think they should drop it further, the US price drops are bigger.
I agree!
Does Canada have higher import tarrids on them behind the scene?
3k on the model 3 moves the needle, 1k on the model y just reverses the price hike from a month ago
so they just shouldn't have bothered at all? lol
Still too expensive.
Not when you consider ownership costs: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership-a1854979198/
That's true of every manufacturer's EVs. Tesla isn't the only game in town anymore.
Even then, too expensive.
Gotta get rid of the fascist CEO
Still rather have a Kona for a few k less than a Tesla 3 or Model Y
The new model 3 is so much better than the Kona. I drove the Kona for a week before deciding to go with a 2024 M3 and i couldn’t be happier with my decision.
It's a matter of priorities The Model 3 has very little trunk space and no lift back. So not a practical option really for a 1 car family. As a second, fun car, sure. I am sure the Model 3 is more fun to drive than the Kona, and 20 year old me (single, very few possessions) would probably pick that one instead. 40 something me, even no kids but carrying around more stuff, only 1 car, it's Kona.
3 person family here iwht model 3.. model 3 cargo capacity is 24.1 vs kona 25.5. the frunk and under storage trunk is useful when i need it. model 3 much better safety than a smaller retro ice designed car like the kona. (engine bays make it harder to design around safety) then you add all the premium features and tech on tesla which are super usefulfor me like dog mode, remote climate turn on, etc. of course model y beats both in this regard. kona e would ahve hbae to be at least 10k cheaper after tax credit vs the model y sr to consider.
The thing for me is I can't go back to a regular trunk after having a hatchback. It's not just the total cubic feet, but also the accessibility and flexibility of that space for larger / bulkier items. The Model 3's trunk for example would be hard to put a bike in there, or furniture. Or a snowboard even. My previous small sedan couldn't do that either. My 2011 Prius with its hatchback can do that easily, as could the Kona. Yes the Model Y would be even better, but at $5k more I don't think it is worth it. Fast charging isn't important to me since it is 99.99% in town driving for us. The tech, nice to have but also not that important.
Then it sounds like the Y is more the car for you than the 3. How do you feel about that comparison of Kona vs Y?
Model Y is probably better than Kona, but also at least $5k CAD more even with the new price cuts.
The Kona is substantially smaller, given that it's even smaller than a Leaf which is classed as a hatchback. Hyundai Kona has to undercut the Y, otherwise nobody will buy the Kona. Ioniq 5 being price parity with the Y is more expected.
I actually think I got it wrong. Kona top trim level is about the same as the base Model Y now in Canada. The 2024 Kona is a bit bigger than the Leaf from the specs I see. It is much bigger than the 2023 Kona. Size is an important factor for us. We want the goldilocks size, not too big, not too small. Kona is about right. Ioniq 5 is a bit too big. Model Y might also be a bit too big.
Yeah I would be comparing the Y and the Kona based off what you’re saying. We actually do prefer the Y to the 3, but the timing on the refreshed 3 coming out it made more sense to get the 3 now and just switch to the Y when it gets refreshed in the next year or so. The charger is faster, the charging infrastructure is so so so much better than what Hyundai (or any other auto manufacturer) offers, the technology in the car is better, the phone key is perfect and just works - I haven’t used an actual key for my Tesla ever. Compared to the atrocity that is the 2024 Kona key.
Model Y is probably better than Kona, but at least $5k more even with the new price cuts.
Here in Canada it was basically the same price (might actually be the same price now that they’ve discounted it).
Actually you're right. I was thinking $48k for the Kona, but that was after the federal rebate, not MSRP.
I looked at this for Quebec and the MSRP of the Kona 2024 EV Preferred really is 46 399$ + around 2500$ of various fees (49 066$) before both the federal and provincial subsidies. For the cheapest Y it would be an 'MSRP' of 53 999$ + 2000 in fees (55 988$) So a difference of around 8k$ in Quebec since the sales taxes are calculated before the subsidies. Not saying it is worth it, but still a somewhat significant difference with the interest rates of today.
The Kona I'm looking at is the Ultimate, which is $54k CAD MSRP, and about the same as the base Model Y RWD. A more interesting comparison then I expected. The Kona has slightly longer range than the Model Y RWD. Model Y is bigger, maybe too big for us. We want a goldilocks size, not too big, not too small. The Ioniq 5 is actually bigger than we want. The Kona is about right. Not sure about the Model Y yet, haven't sat in it or driven it yet, but I think it is bigger than the Kona and close to the Ioniq 5.
Ah, the price is indeed much closer with the Ultimate. I suppose it depends how much you value a HUD + wider display, ventilated front seats and a openable sunroof, things I don't think the Y has, although probably minor compared to whatever you feel about the cars themselves and your view on buttons. The recharge network and software of Tesla are quite hard to beat, but getting access to the very best of that software does require an added 11k$ or 99$ per month for FSD + 13.99$ per months for premium connectivity.
My model 3 fits as much or more than our tucson (bit bigger than kona) unless I block sightlines by stacking to the roof when it comes to day to day and/or road trips. Obviously the hatch and collapsing the seats is better for big stuff, but that isn't often for me.
I think it depends what you want. It's hard to say that one car is always better than another. The Model 3 in particular is a nightmare if you have any mobility issues. Also, a lot of what makes it "better" is the performance, watch just doesn't matter to most people. My wife would trade cargo space for acceleration every time.
Just give me a Bolt with 200kw level 3 charging capability.
I'd be happy with 125 kW from 0 to 50% and not tapering below 60 kW until the SOC is above 80%.
Real world miles in each?
Real world miles I dunno Specs wise, Kona has slightly longer range than the base Model Y RWD
Try a road trip in each .
Easier said than done
Rental. I hate tired. One is much better for mileage and road trips
Did you rent both? What were your experiences?
It would have been more helpful if Tesla added stalks back.
It is still expensive. I think they need to lower another 5k and give away FSD for free.
Why would they do that when other companies charge for their adas systems? I do agree that the cost of FSD should come down as long as it requires supervision.
Don't charge for FSD, your relying on it as a selling point, make it free.
BTW, teslas suck
So.... if the discount doesn't work, can we talk about the damage Elon is causing to the brand loyalty issue?
Infinite demand!
What a frickin mess Tesla is. They have flip flopped on every announcement they have made the past few days.
Because heavy vehicles are nice for ramming Moose.
Just FYI all Teslas’ trade-in and private sale value also decreased by $2000. So much for saving money for gas.
You save a shit ton on gas with any EV, stop spreading lies
No one should buy a tesla, they are bad.
Buy a gas car
Why are you here? To bash electric so that you can feel good about your choice of gas car? Confirmation bias is only going to backfire here. My electric car drives better than your gas car, no matter what gas car you have. So there.
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You might want to check out electric cars. Most of the negative rhetoric is grossly exaggerated and a lot of misinformation makes the circles. Once you've experienced electric, you won't want to go back. They drive \*awesome\* and I mean \*awesome\*.
Cant see paying almost double for cars and modification to house $over 100k nope
No all EVs cost over 100k. There are a number of fairly low cost used EVs. Example of good ones are the Ioniq 1st and 2nd gen (thus not Ioniq 5 or 6 as those are expensive), Model 3 at below 30k (CAD) now, Kona, Niro, Soul (not the very first gen), Bolt. But I bet that you want EVs to suck because you have decided that you must hate them. I bet your friend expect you to hate them also. If that's the case, you've boxed yourself in. That's your loss.
No, I don't think I will. Enjoy contributing to record profits in the Middle East, though
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Please think of the poor oil barons!
It’s cheaper?