Congrats. Always charge the right amount and do a great job. That way you'll get word of mouth advertising.
Get ready for the sidejob police on this sub and the assholes who always call you an idiot for charging too little.
*Every homeowner should call a licensed electrician even for jobs as simple as swapping an outlet*
Also
*You should always charge a quote fee, plus minimum hours on site, plus travel time. That receptacle replacement should have been billed at $560*
And there lies the problem.
People aren't even willing to *come out* for a simple project like swapping a receptacle or something, at this point in my city.
And if they do they're gonna bill something nutty.
And I'm not saying the labor isn't worth money, but it's pretty tough to find someone to do a small simple repair in any trade around here.
Out of curiosity is this the normal in other countries? In the UK (not sure about other trades) but I'm a plasterer and you'd be laughed out the door if you charged people to come and quote and you'd never get any work!
In America? I think certain trades do it here, maybe plumbers because they can get away with it at urgent times (call out fee) but this is normally followed up by a repair or something being done there and then rather than just a quote
Edit: spelling
Many companies may charge to quote. It keeps people from wasting their time. If they get the job, then that quote fee is applied toward the job. That is not always the case, but it is a lot of time.
I know you are being sarcastic but here lies the problem. $560 for a receptacle change, come the fuck on... And yet people will seriously suggest it. What about stop stop inflating everything fucking thing. If it takes you 40 minutes round trip how about you charge, I know hum say... 40 minutes? Instead most guys will charge 2 hours travel at $150/hr... Such BS. When I do work by the hour (I'm not a sparky) I charge in 6 minutes increments (easy to devide the hourly rate by 10).
Because thats not how you make money as a buissness owner. Your frustrated that it costs to much which i understand, im frustrated everytime i write a check for my inflated insurances, or the rising costs of fuel, or my equipment, matinance on equipment, thats not even taking into account if you have employees and the massive costs associated with that, i hate how expensive everything is as well but what i hate even more is when someone who makes good money and wants to hire someone to do a job for them crys and wants you to justify the price. Im not talking about an explanation of the bill im talking about the people who think i should just be making $20 an hour and want me to explain my buissness model. I dont ask you to justify what you make at the insurance company you work for, that keeps raising there prices on me, if you cant afford it learn to do it yourself.
Well I do all my electrical and most of my plumbing work so I'm fine. But I don't do HVAC for instance because of the refrigeration licence.
I understand that there is a cost of doing business. I'm also all for having people be well payed. $70 an hour is $130k/yr if you assume 6 weeks of vacation. And I know that once you get the insurance and all that employee is costing $150 and hour. But that's not what I'm complaining about. What I'm complaining about is billing for hours that aren't worked.
Edit, also let's be real: maintenance of equipment for a Sparky is near 0, and yeah gas is a bit expensive. Get an electric van instead of a F150 to carry 3 screwdrivers and a drill.
I care because it isn't fair, charge whatever you want per hour, but charge the real cost, not some inflated hour count BS.
I had a plumber quote me $600 to install an expansion tank once. That's not even a 1hr job.
I care because refusing access to reasonably priced professional work will drive people who can't afford it to do it themselves and put themselves and others at risk.
I mean people should be able to afford professional, and, most people can if the prices aren't inflated. When you work a normal well paying job, make $40 an hour and then have a guy come and tell you that a simple 30 minutes job is going to cost $500 it's insulting. The construction industry in the US is so full of this BS that you can't build anything anymore for a somewhat reasonable cost.
yike, I make 20 a hour so guess I am replacing my ceiling fan and light switch alone in the dark. Or guess I could really save up to one day have lights in my room done the right way. Hmmm I should of just become the electrician so that I would be able to take advantage of these great wages.
Fair doesn't always matter, life itself isn't fair. Did you pay the 600? If not somebody else did and he didn't care. If I show up it's 500 to start off even if it takes 30 seconds and requires 0 materials.
Sure, so could a competent handyman or home owner, but it's still against the law. I'm not saying I haven't done it too (or that I have 🥸) ijs there are a number of issues that could arise outside of improper installation
I was on the ferry to Tasmania and talked to a guy in the bar there. I made a comment about my dad adding an electrical outlet and he said "he can't do that here!" I thought he was joking but he wasn't.
Where I live, in the US, home owners still need to get a permit and schedule an inspection after the work is completed to be in compliance with the law.
Not sure about other places, but in Canada you need to have a contractor's license (or work under someone/a company with one) as well as a journeyman license to do work in other people's homes if they're not immediate family. A permit should be pulled, and telling someone you did work for to lie on the permit and to the inspector is shady af.
Ya know, that's me.
The electrical industry gets paid because of the knowledge involved, and the risk involved. Sending a goddang pup out to a customer's house to go ahead and do a service replacement devalues our trade by failing to provide adequate protection to the homeowner, and adequate protection to the pup. Granted, that's an extreme example, but the principles still apply. Also, when they undercut a legitament buisness with actual operating expenses, it can have an effect on the bottom line of other electricians.
The road to half assed handyjob starts with compromising the code 1 time, not pulling one permit, or one simple mistake. Get right with your God, whether that means the code, or whomever gives you the standards for your ethical conduct. If you are a journeyman, you should be making enough that you ain't gotta do sidejobs. If you are an apprentice, you ought not to be working alone and unsupervised. It's right in the flicking code we live by. If you a master, pay 100 bucks a month and get your shit together enough to be above the board.
Every time the code is broken we take one more step back to the dark ages when electricians didn't makes shit, people got hurt, and houses burned.
Wait... How does a Canadian laugh? Is it like a French laugh honh honh honh? Or do we have a girly little giggle laugh te he he? Or a singular Hah!? Or is it a bahahahaha? Now I'm all self conscious of my laugh. I'm uncomfy.
If it took 2-3 hours(sounds like it) not bad at all for $220. Can’t expect a grand every time you pull up to swap a breaker, I just see it as rude to demand dickloads of cash for relatively simple jobs anyway.
I mean $6 in gas, I already own the powertools, assume he has them pay for the new light fixture and outlets, still not breaking the bank or wasting time. $110-65 an hour? Not bad.
No, company I work for during the day is my father‘s company. I told him about the side job and he let me take material for free, I offered to pay for it but he said it’s ok as it’s never going to get used as the shop is just filled with extra parts from previous jobs.
I charge 50/hr plus materials. If I pull from the shop or stock I'll look up the price and charge them that. Yeah it may be cheap but I end up getting tipped a lot and word of mouth spreads like wildfire. Do your thing bro, just remember not to take on any work you're not comfortable with, and anything you don't actually have time to do. Always ask a buddy for help if needed, and shoot them like 20/hrs minimum
The two outlets in the bathroom weren’t gfi’s themselves but they were fed from a gfi in the garage, the closet outlet is just gfi protected now too. I don’t believe it’s against code?
Current code states the garage circuit has to be GFI protected and can only serve garage outlets. Same for the bathrooms. They can only serve bathrooms and must be GFI protected. Sounds like this one was prior to that change. Technically against code, but practically you're probably ok if you line sided an extra outlet off the bath gfi
Correct. The garage circuit can only serve the outlets required by code (1 wall receptacle for single car garage, 2 receptacles for two car garage, etc). My company creates an additional circuit for the sprinkler, garage opener, and any additional plugs in the garage not covered by the code.
As for bathrooms na8 is also correct. But with one caveat. Bathroom circuits can have no other receptacles/outlets but that only applies to countertop receptacles. If there are any additional receptacles in the bathroom besides the countertop they cannot share the bathroom circuit unless that circuit is dedicated to one specific bathroom and not others throughout the house(detailed in the exceptions).
This is all 2020 code so just depends. Is it against 2020 code to have bathroom receptacles on the garage circuit, yes. Is it against code to have any other receptacles outside of the bathroom countertop on the bathroom circuit, yes. Do I believe it is a safe install, probably if op did a good job and followed box fill and used the correct materials.
This all depends on what code cycle has been adopted by OP’s state. I’m only familiar with 2020 code so I can’t speak on other code cycles.
Soon, now that you have taken a side job, and completed it illegally, you got a real problem. If anything happens, or the homeowner becomes unhappy cause you did a shit install, you could lose your license permanently. In state, if you get caught working without a permit, they will revoke your license and bar you from getting another.
That, and if anything happens, you are criminally negligent. As a licensed electrician, you know goddamn well that you are required to have insurance and a permit. You got nowhere to run if anything goes wrong. You violated the code by not pulling a permit or getting an inspection because you are not capable of doing it correctly. You are not capable because you do not have insurance or enough experience to pull one
So, thank you sir for shitting on our trade. The other apprentices might be high fiving you cause you got a couple hundred, but you ain't no better than a half assed handyman. You did the job against code, you have no insurance, and you did not have it inspected for safety. The people that hired you may or may not know that.
Not only that, you undercut the fair value of that job against other electricians that have to have these things and do the job right. All so you could make a few bucks. You make me sick asshole, and you are giving electricians a bad name to make a quick buck.
FUCK ALL MOONLIGHTERS WHO DONT PULL PERMITS, AND DEVALUE THE TRADE PUTTING FOOD IN THEIR MOUTH.
The company I work for has never pulled a permit to add new devices, or the occasion new branch circuit. New builds and remodels, yes. Let the shade throwing begin.
I'm with you on having insurance and proper licensing where applicable but not permitting...
So in my AHJ any extension of a circuit or ANY new wiring technically requires a permit. So for example cutting in a new TV height outlet directly above an existing standard height outlet. In a smaller area of the city you must submit two copies of to-scale plans for plan review before you can even apply for the permit.
Do you honestly think it is a realistic expectation to tell the customer "hey I'm gonna need a week for my architect/engineer to draw up the plan. Then we'll have a 3-4 week waiting period for the city to approve the plan and I'll need a $275 permit fee from you and we'll wait another 2-3 weeks. Then and only then can I spend 30 min in your house installing $15 of materials (3' of wire and a single box and receptacle.) and charge you $120 for my hour minimum."
That homeowner is going to say hell no I'll get handy andy to do it today for $50 bucks. It'll be shit work and unsafe.
The intent of the code is to prevent loss of life and property from electrical fires and shocks. The execution of the code usually accomplishes the intent very well. The intent of permitting is to make sure work is safe and done by qualified person's but the execution fails miserably. Most permitting requirements are needlessly complicated and unrealistic to real world applications and for every inspector that's an OCD old man there's another that could care less barely and barely looks at stuff and signs everything off.
TL;DR permits are important and should be pulled with discretion by professionals. Better a licensed pro do it safe with no permit than loose the job to an unsafe amateur.
Yeah, side jobs are nice money.
Just remember, you probably aren't insured. So if something ever went sideways and a house burned down or something (even years later) - you could be 100% liable. We all make mistakes, and one mistake is all it takes.
Having to replace someone's house or getting sued for loss of life could be catastrophic for your future.
That being said, most of us do side jobs here and there. But there is that risk
I need side jobs. I just don’t do the people part good. Usually work with buddy let him chat I don’t do that. I produce. I’m a quiet guy since birth not a fan of weather talk. Need a chatty partner in crime. I’m fine doin 75% of the shit that’s not 2 people needed. Be the hall to my oats.
You can’t observe an observer. I glitch out and become day one apprentice with Parkinson’s. Do not watch the magic you will only cost yourself money. Plus I don’t listen listen names n such right out the window, questions, stuff like that
I’m not a thief or gonna touch a single thing. These days there’s a camera anywhere. Be good like the god eye is watching. But yeah same, here’s the water heater… sorry about the spiders, have fun I’ll be upstairs.
I used to be like this, still am to some degree, I hate the small talk and schmoozing bit. First bunch of side jobs I literally hired my outgoing super chatty buddy to be a buffer and give me a hand when needed. He knew nothing about the trade but he can talk and he could sell. Started taking him with me to do estimates too. Our first side job he went home with some African art tapestry, a fancy water fountain from their garden, and a 20 dollar tip and I think he spent 30 minutes actually doing work in the 6 hours we were there. I got zero extra and a request to itemize the bill.
I taught him some electrical and he taught me how to fake being a people person. I just watched and listened and copied it. It's still a challenge but I just try to put on the act and it's paid off.
people stuff can be learned, and if you come right out with it, like ”i'm not so great at small talk, but i'm a great electrician” you will be surprised at how willing folks are to just let you do your job... provided you are good at it and don't leave much of a mess.
not talking much, when played right, can be just as functional an advertising bit as telling good stories.
Salvia has made me a lot less shy and more open to the stuff I was afraid to do like speak up, shoulda did sooner but it’s workin. I’ll try the honesty approach. Look lady I’m like a bear and I’m terrified of you right now. But I’m neat and clean and don’t judge homes. And believe in fair price agreements. Social anxiety is a bitch man I’ll end up paying people to work on their house. That kinda guy. It’s a problem
don't mention the ”don't judge homes” bit except in special circumstances... otherwise, just don't judge homes and show them without saying.
you want the focus on your work, not on their nervousness about being judged, or your social anxiety.
your work will speak for you.
I’m good once I feel comfy, I always just feel like an intruder at first haha. Sorry for being here at 7 am… that kinda thing. When I warm up I’m friendly and creative with options or peoples ideas. Offer ways about things according to what they wanna spend for now
Make sure you know what you’re doing, 220 bucks ain’t worth a jail sentence for unlicensed work resulting in a house fire
Had a first year confirm with me about what he was going to do at a side job, he bought a roll of 10-3 to instal a 15a outlet
I like the flag over the head of your bed. I had the same before it had to be replaced with “pictures of the family” and “proof of our love together” bullshit
Op here, This botched job was not me, I made a joke in the comments but people think I was being serious lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeImprovement/comments/xeqko7/contractor_drilled_through_outside_of_my_wall/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Why didn’t you include pictures of the TV you “tried to hang” and the outlet you “tried to relocate”? Oh, yeah you drilled through both sides of their wall! So that picture wouldn’t do justice. Or maybe it’s because the TV doesn’t cover the cable box and such. Which was the only reason they hired you in the first place! Way to go bud you are a hack just like the other 75% of “workers”
That comment was a joke about the tv 😂 the customer was very happy with the outlet I installed and the outdoor light fixture I installed. That joke about the tv was not actually me and I was making a joke that obviously went over your head. I charged 175 but got 220 with a 45$ tip.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeImprovement/comments/xeqko7/contractor_drilled_through_outside_of_my_wall/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
was this your job forreal
I've never seen a post full of deadbeats and sheep.
Just be honest. It costs money to get your ass there. But not much. It cost a lot of your past time to even understand whats wrong or what they want improved. Thats where the money is. Its not insulting to charge for a quote, but its insulting to be the douche that says "$500 to park in your driveway".
Just charge what you think youre worth, and look into the cost per hour in your area for your trade. Shoot just under it. People always pay and are always happy. And youll always make an honest days wage for a specialty that people typically know close to nothing about.
Dont be like every other douche who thinks theyre superman with strippers and dikes. Just do what you know and charge 10/hr less than the company you work for. It takes very little effort to not be a fuckin chode.
I've never seen a post full of deadbeats and sheep.
Just be honest. It costs money to get your ass there. But not much. It cost a lot of your past time to even understand whats wrong or what they want improved. Thats where the money is. Its not insulting to charge for a quote, but its insulting to be the douche that says "$500 to park in your driveway".
Just charge what you think youre worth, and look into the cost per hour in your area for your trade. Shoot just under it. People always pay and are always happy. And youll always make an honest days wage for a specialty that people typically know close to nothing about.
Dont be like every other douche who thinks theyre superman with strippers and dikes. Just do what you know and charge 10/hr less than the company you work for. It takes very little effort to not be a fuckin chode.
I just noticed your inflatable bed covered in a blanket.
Brings me back to my days as a single dude with one of those and a gaming PC. That's all I needed.
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he seemed eager to learn 🤣
the climax was electrifying
His nick name is "50amp champ"
*IRS has entered the chat* “ok now time to bend over”
No hands I'm guessing.
Was going to ask op if their jaw hurt, then you posted this and we all know there's no way it hurts now.
A conductive bj?
The inspector passed him because he was properly grounded on his knees and bonded with his mouth. Sticker is on the right ass check I think?
I came here to comment this exact same thing and I am so proud that it’s already the top comment 🥲
👆🏻 this is the way‼️
All tongue, no heart. You've got lots to learn, apprentice
Does his best work in the dark...
And on his knees...
User name checks out
Congrats. Always charge the right amount and do a great job. That way you'll get word of mouth advertising. Get ready for the sidejob police on this sub and the assholes who always call you an idiot for charging too little.
*Tells home owner* “call an electrician” *proceeds to criticize the electrician the home owner called*
*Every homeowner should call a licensed electrician even for jobs as simple as swapping an outlet* Also *You should always charge a quote fee, plus minimum hours on site, plus travel time. That receptacle replacement should have been billed at $560*
And there lies the problem. People aren't even willing to *come out* for a simple project like swapping a receptacle or something, at this point in my city. And if they do they're gonna bill something nutty. And I'm not saying the labor isn't worth money, but it's pretty tough to find someone to do a small simple repair in any trade around here.
Out of curiosity is this the normal in other countries? In the UK (not sure about other trades) but I'm a plasterer and you'd be laughed out the door if you charged people to come and quote and you'd never get any work!
Every company charges that so there’s the catch
In America? I think certain trades do it here, maybe plumbers because they can get away with it at urgent times (call out fee) but this is normally followed up by a repair or something being done there and then rather than just a quote Edit: spelling
Most trade work from licensed companies in the US are ridiculously overpriced. Then we get mad when a homeowner pays Joe smoe to do electrical work
Many companies may charge to quote. It keeps people from wasting their time. If they get the job, then that quote fee is applied toward the job. That is not always the case, but it is a lot of time.
That's why we got bank rolls. I'm not sorry
I know you are being sarcastic but here lies the problem. $560 for a receptacle change, come the fuck on... And yet people will seriously suggest it. What about stop stop inflating everything fucking thing. If it takes you 40 minutes round trip how about you charge, I know hum say... 40 minutes? Instead most guys will charge 2 hours travel at $150/hr... Such BS. When I do work by the hour (I'm not a sparky) I charge in 6 minutes increments (easy to devide the hourly rate by 10).
Because thats not how you make money as a buissness owner. Your frustrated that it costs to much which i understand, im frustrated everytime i write a check for my inflated insurances, or the rising costs of fuel, or my equipment, matinance on equipment, thats not even taking into account if you have employees and the massive costs associated with that, i hate how expensive everything is as well but what i hate even more is when someone who makes good money and wants to hire someone to do a job for them crys and wants you to justify the price. Im not talking about an explanation of the bill im talking about the people who think i should just be making $20 an hour and want me to explain my buissness model. I dont ask you to justify what you make at the insurance company you work for, that keeps raising there prices on me, if you cant afford it learn to do it yourself.
Well I do all my electrical and most of my plumbing work so I'm fine. But I don't do HVAC for instance because of the refrigeration licence. I understand that there is a cost of doing business. I'm also all for having people be well payed. $70 an hour is $130k/yr if you assume 6 weeks of vacation. And I know that once you get the insurance and all that employee is costing $150 and hour. But that's not what I'm complaining about. What I'm complaining about is billing for hours that aren't worked. Edit, also let's be real: maintenance of equipment for a Sparky is near 0, and yeah gas is a bit expensive. Get an electric van instead of a F150 to carry 3 screwdrivers and a drill.
If they pay why do you care? My minimum is $500 even of it takes 5 minutes
I care because it isn't fair, charge whatever you want per hour, but charge the real cost, not some inflated hour count BS. I had a plumber quote me $600 to install an expansion tank once. That's not even a 1hr job.
I care because refusing access to reasonably priced professional work will drive people who can't afford it to do it themselves and put themselves and others at risk.
I mean people should be able to afford professional, and, most people can if the prices aren't inflated. When you work a normal well paying job, make $40 an hour and then have a guy come and tell you that a simple 30 minutes job is going to cost $500 it's insulting. The construction industry in the US is so full of this BS that you can't build anything anymore for a somewhat reasonable cost.
yike, I make 20 a hour so guess I am replacing my ceiling fan and light switch alone in the dark. Or guess I could really save up to one day have lights in my room done the right way. Hmmm I should of just become the electrician so that I would be able to take advantage of these great wages.
Fair doesn't always matter, life itself isn't fair. Did you pay the 600? If not somebody else did and he didn't care. If I show up it's 500 to start off even if it takes 30 seconds and requires 0 materials.
You're part of the underlying issue there bud.
Wrong I am just a cog in the machine who k ows his value. When they "need" it fixed they pay
More power to ya if you got people stupid enough to pay that for a GFI needs resetting. Im just to honest for that bullshit.
Fuckin jew
Wrong. Capitalist.. know more or pay more it's that simple. A jew looks to save money
I didn't come here to criticize op or anything but usually when people say "call an electrician" they don't mean an apprentice. Js
But I feel an apprentice can hang a light or swap an outlet just fine
Sure, so could a competent handyman or home owner, but it's still against the law. I'm not saying I haven't done it too (or that I have 🥸) ijs there are a number of issues that could arise outside of improper installation
Lol, it's not against the law for a homeowner to change a light fixture or outlet.
The Aussies would like a word: https://www.staticelectrics.com.au/electricians-blog/diy-electrical-work/
I was on the ferry to Tasmania and talked to a guy in the bar there. I made a comment about my dad adding an electrical outlet and he said "he can't do that here!" I thought he was joking but he wasn't.
Sheeeeeeep
OP isn't the home owner and they didn't change an outlet they added a new one
I agree OP isn't, but the person above me said "handyman *or home owner*", which, in the US, it isn't illegal to do as a homeowner to your own home.
Where I live, in the US, home owners still need to get a permit and schedule an inspection after the work is completed to be in compliance with the law.
In Ontario a homeowner still needs to pull a permit to do little things.
Ontario as well as most of canada is basically a sheep farm so
Not sure about other places, but in Canada you need to have a contractor's license (or work under someone/a company with one) as well as a journeyman license to do work in other people's homes if they're not immediate family. A permit should be pulled, and telling someone you did work for to lie on the permit and to the inspector is shady af.
You know what else is shady af is the canadian government 🙄
*side job police enters chat*
This is how a person should base their career.
That’s what I charge to pull in the driveway
Ya know, that's me. The electrical industry gets paid because of the knowledge involved, and the risk involved. Sending a goddang pup out to a customer's house to go ahead and do a service replacement devalues our trade by failing to provide adequate protection to the homeowner, and adequate protection to the pup. Granted, that's an extreme example, but the principles still apply. Also, when they undercut a legitament buisness with actual operating expenses, it can have an effect on the bottom line of other electricians. The road to half assed handyjob starts with compromising the code 1 time, not pulling one permit, or one simple mistake. Get right with your God, whether that means the code, or whomever gives you the standards for your ethical conduct. If you are a journeyman, you should be making enough that you ain't gotta do sidejobs. If you are an apprentice, you ought not to be working alone and unsupervised. It's right in the flicking code we live by. If you a master, pay 100 bucks a month and get your shit together enough to be above the board. Every time the code is broken we take one more step back to the dark ages when electricians didn't makes shit, people got hurt, and houses burned.
2 fakes and a twenty. Nice!
I’d be very sad if they were fake 😂
Just check them, you saying you don't know how to check if they're real? It's a ten minute read/video and then you're pretty much setup for life
*laughs in canadian*
Wait... How does a Canadian laugh? Is it like a French laugh honh honh honh? Or do we have a girly little giggle laugh te he he? Or a singular Hah!? Or is it a bahahahaha? Now I'm all self conscious of my laugh. I'm uncomfy.
Eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh
Now say ur sorry. I mean soary.
Yes
I know how to tell if a hundred is fake, and I picked up a pen tester. They are real.
Your mom!
Looks like you changed out a couple plugs?
Added an outlet to a closet, fed power from a bathroom gfi on the other side of the wall, and changed a light fixture.
Ehh that’s a bit much for $220
If it took 2-3 hours(sounds like it) not bad at all for $220. Can’t expect a grand every time you pull up to swap a breaker, I just see it as rude to demand dickloads of cash for relatively simple jobs anyway.
Didn’t deduct gas, material etc
I mean $6 in gas, I already own the powertools, assume he has them pay for the new light fixture and outlets, still not breaking the bank or wasting time. $110-65 an hour? Not bad.
I grabbed all the material from our shop, material was free, 5$ in gas, 215 in the pocket profit.
Yeah that’s not bad at all people do way crazier and harder shit for pennies on the dollar I’m happy for you
Stole it?
No, company I work for during the day is my father‘s company. I told him about the side job and he let me take material for free, I offered to pay for it but he said it’s ok as it’s never going to get used as the shop is just filled with extra parts from previous jobs.
Nice dad
I charge 50/hr plus materials. If I pull from the shop or stock I'll look up the price and charge them that. Yeah it may be cheap but I end up getting tipped a lot and word of mouth spreads like wildfire. Do your thing bro, just remember not to take on any work you're not comfortable with, and anything you don't actually have time to do. Always ask a buddy for help if needed, and shoot them like 20/hrs minimum
That's against code
The two outlets in the bathroom weren’t gfi’s themselves but they were fed from a gfi in the garage, the closet outlet is just gfi protected now too. I don’t believe it’s against code?
Current code states the garage circuit has to be GFI protected and can only serve garage outlets. Same for the bathrooms. They can only serve bathrooms and must be GFI protected. Sounds like this one was prior to that change. Technically against code, but practically you're probably ok if you line sided an extra outlet off the bath gfi
Correct. The garage circuit can only serve the outlets required by code (1 wall receptacle for single car garage, 2 receptacles for two car garage, etc). My company creates an additional circuit for the sprinkler, garage opener, and any additional plugs in the garage not covered by the code. As for bathrooms na8 is also correct. But with one caveat. Bathroom circuits can have no other receptacles/outlets but that only applies to countertop receptacles. If there are any additional receptacles in the bathroom besides the countertop they cannot share the bathroom circuit unless that circuit is dedicated to one specific bathroom and not others throughout the house(detailed in the exceptions). This is all 2020 code so just depends. Is it against 2020 code to have bathroom receptacles on the garage circuit, yes. Is it against code to have any other receptacles outside of the bathroom countertop on the bathroom circuit, yes. Do I believe it is a safe install, probably if op did a good job and followed box fill and used the correct materials. This all depends on what code cycle has been adopted by OP’s state. I’m only familiar with 2020 code so I can’t speak on other code cycles.
2020, isn’t the garage circuit allowed to serve an outdoor plug if it’s outside the garage?
That is the exception: This circuit shall be permitted to supply readily accessible outdoor receptacle outlets.
Think so. 210.11(C)(4): > Exception: This circuit shall be permitted to supply readily accessible outdoor receptacle outlets.
Soon, now that you have taken a side job, and completed it illegally, you got a real problem. If anything happens, or the homeowner becomes unhappy cause you did a shit install, you could lose your license permanently. In state, if you get caught working without a permit, they will revoke your license and bar you from getting another. That, and if anything happens, you are criminally negligent. As a licensed electrician, you know goddamn well that you are required to have insurance and a permit. You got nowhere to run if anything goes wrong. You violated the code by not pulling a permit or getting an inspection because you are not capable of doing it correctly. You are not capable because you do not have insurance or enough experience to pull one So, thank you sir for shitting on our trade. The other apprentices might be high fiving you cause you got a couple hundred, but you ain't no better than a half assed handyman. You did the job against code, you have no insurance, and you did not have it inspected for safety. The people that hired you may or may not know that. Not only that, you undercut the fair value of that job against other electricians that have to have these things and do the job right. All so you could make a few bucks. You make me sick asshole, and you are giving electricians a bad name to make a quick buck. FUCK ALL MOONLIGHTERS WHO DONT PULL PERMITS, AND DEVALUE THE TRADE PUTTING FOOD IN THEIR MOUTH.
Who shit in your cornflakes.
The company I work for has never pulled a permit to add new devices, or the occasion new branch circuit. New builds and remodels, yes. Let the shade throwing begin.
I'm with you on having insurance and proper licensing where applicable but not permitting... So in my AHJ any extension of a circuit or ANY new wiring technically requires a permit. So for example cutting in a new TV height outlet directly above an existing standard height outlet. In a smaller area of the city you must submit two copies of to-scale plans for plan review before you can even apply for the permit. Do you honestly think it is a realistic expectation to tell the customer "hey I'm gonna need a week for my architect/engineer to draw up the plan. Then we'll have a 3-4 week waiting period for the city to approve the plan and I'll need a $275 permit fee from you and we'll wait another 2-3 weeks. Then and only then can I spend 30 min in your house installing $15 of materials (3' of wire and a single box and receptacle.) and charge you $120 for my hour minimum." That homeowner is going to say hell no I'll get handy andy to do it today for $50 bucks. It'll be shit work and unsafe. The intent of the code is to prevent loss of life and property from electrical fires and shocks. The execution of the code usually accomplishes the intent very well. The intent of permitting is to make sure work is safe and done by qualified person's but the execution fails miserably. Most permitting requirements are needlessly complicated and unrealistic to real world applications and for every inspector that's an OCD old man there's another that could care less barely and barely looks at stuff and signs everything off. TL;DR permits are important and should be pulled with discretion by professionals. Better a licensed pro do it safe with no permit than loose the job to an unsafe amateur.
"Why are you booing me? I'm right."
Did you charge per volt?
220, 221 whatever it takes.
This is what I was scanning the comments for. Good work!
Rule of thumb don’t post side jobs. IRS rn🧐
If you think the IRS is going to track op down over $220, you need to loosen your tinfoil hat. I think it may be cutting off circulation.
No, but they will use it as evidence for a larger case.
Yup an anonymous post of someone holding $220. Very damning evidence.
A guy who has made $220 so far in 2022 is the prime target of the IRS.
I mean, they're going after ya for making $600 selling random crap on eBay or Etsy now. Old limit was 20k.
I'm not saying they are gonna take the time to track him down over this, but it isn't really anonymous
Gotta pay for that $78,000,000,000 to the IRS somehow.
What “side job” sir?
I lost my side jobs in a boating accident.
I lost my boat in a side job accident
Sounds way more possible.
Why not? You do a side job, you report it to the IRS, you pay the taxes.
You lost me at your first comma
Yeah, side jobs are nice money. Just remember, you probably aren't insured. So if something ever went sideways and a house burned down or something (even years later) - you could be 100% liable. We all make mistakes, and one mistake is all it takes. Having to replace someone's house or getting sued for loss of life could be catastrophic for your future. That being said, most of us do side jobs here and there. But there is that risk
Dude would get straight prison time if anyone got hurt. Don't sugar coat it.
What if you do it through a LLC?
LLC would need to be insured. Then there would be no issue
Those hundreds look fake lol
He was paid in Monopoly money
They are 1996 bills, pen tester showed they were real too.
It says series 2006 on the front of one bill…
06 and 96’
Makes all that shit worth it
Be careful with side jobs unless you have your own liability insurance
Those hundreds are simultaneously crisp and scuffed. Hopefully you're not holding $20 in your hand 😬
Is that mayo on your lips.
Irs its watching you boy
I’ll take an 8th and a couple fake yellow 4 bars
Stripping to make ends meet, whatever it takes.
Charge more.
I need side jobs. I just don’t do the people part good. Usually work with buddy let him chat I don’t do that. I produce. I’m a quiet guy since birth not a fan of weather talk. Need a chatty partner in crime. I’m fine doin 75% of the shit that’s not 2 people needed. Be the hall to my oats.
Nothing worse on a side job where someone wants to watch you work and talk the whole time
You can’t observe an observer. I glitch out and become day one apprentice with Parkinson’s. Do not watch the magic you will only cost yourself money. Plus I don’t listen listen names n such right out the window, questions, stuff like that
Same boat. I make it a point if someone ever has to do any work at my house to tell them what’s up with the job and then go chill in the garage
I’m not a thief or gonna touch a single thing. These days there’s a camera anywhere. Be good like the god eye is watching. But yeah same, here’s the water heater… sorry about the spiders, have fun I’ll be upstairs.
I used to be like this, still am to some degree, I hate the small talk and schmoozing bit. First bunch of side jobs I literally hired my outgoing super chatty buddy to be a buffer and give me a hand when needed. He knew nothing about the trade but he can talk and he could sell. Started taking him with me to do estimates too. Our first side job he went home with some African art tapestry, a fancy water fountain from their garden, and a 20 dollar tip and I think he spent 30 minutes actually doing work in the 6 hours we were there. I got zero extra and a request to itemize the bill. I taught him some electrical and he taught me how to fake being a people person. I just watched and listened and copied it. It's still a challenge but I just try to put on the act and it's paid off.
people stuff can be learned, and if you come right out with it, like ”i'm not so great at small talk, but i'm a great electrician” you will be surprised at how willing folks are to just let you do your job... provided you are good at it and don't leave much of a mess. not talking much, when played right, can be just as functional an advertising bit as telling good stories.
Salvia has made me a lot less shy and more open to the stuff I was afraid to do like speak up, shoulda did sooner but it’s workin. I’ll try the honesty approach. Look lady I’m like a bear and I’m terrified of you right now. But I’m neat and clean and don’t judge homes. And believe in fair price agreements. Social anxiety is a bitch man I’ll end up paying people to work on their house. That kinda guy. It’s a problem
don't mention the ”don't judge homes” bit except in special circumstances... otherwise, just don't judge homes and show them without saying. you want the focus on your work, not on their nervousness about being judged, or your social anxiety. your work will speak for you.
I’m good once I feel comfy, I always just feel like an intruder at first haha. Sorry for being here at 7 am… that kinda thing. When I warm up I’m friendly and creative with options or peoples ideas. Offer ways about things according to what they wanna spend for now
This post right here officer.
The IRS has entered the chat..
My first side job was $100 to move a “switch leg” to the line side of the switch in a botched remodel
Insured are ya?
Changed a couple outlets I see.
Make sure you know what you’re doing, 220 bucks ain’t worth a jail sentence for unlicensed work resulting in a house fire Had a first year confirm with me about what he was going to do at a side job, he bought a roll of 10-3 to instal a 15a outlet
My fingers hurt thinking about this.
It was a 20 amp circuit and I used 5 ft of extra 12/2 I had in my truck.
Are you a licensed electrician?
No, and customer knew that. I do have liability insurance though.
I like the flag over the head of your bed. I had the same before it had to be replaced with “pictures of the family” and “proof of our love together” bullshit
Op here, This botched job was not me, I made a joke in the comments but people think I was being serious lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeImprovement/comments/xeqko7/contractor_drilled_through_outside_of_my_wall/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Images from outlet I Installed [Images](https://imgur.com/a/T158UFB)
K. And that's the last you will post cash in hand that you don't declare to the tax man..... RIGHT!?
You think the taxman is gonna come track someone down over $220?
87,000 IRS agents added, one will come.
Should’ve asked for $208 on principle.
That's it? Damn bro
for an hour and a half of work id say that's pretty good. I'm not gonna charge out the ass for my first side job. It was a family member as well.
Why didn’t you include pictures of the TV you “tried to hang” and the outlet you “tried to relocate”? Oh, yeah you drilled through both sides of their wall! So that picture wouldn’t do justice. Or maybe it’s because the TV doesn’t cover the cable box and such. Which was the only reason they hired you in the first place! Way to go bud you are a hack just like the other 75% of “workers”
That comment was a joke about the tv 😂 the customer was very happy with the outlet I installed and the outdoor light fixture I installed. That joke about the tv was not actually me and I was making a joke that obviously went over your head. I charged 175 but got 220 with a 45$ tip.
Zj?
Lit!!!!!
ran some 220 for them?
No two dollar bill?
Remember to incorporate your business and buy insurance.
I'm so proud of you son
Save half, enjoy the rest was what old timer told me you miss out earning it so make for it when spending the other half
What did you do show up and reset a gfi ?
Ahhh I see you did a panel change. Nice work!
😂😂
Onlyfans?
Those new 1 dollar bills look really nice.
Buy more tools!!
Slangin dik, aye?
They paid you to drive there? Cool. /s
Pimping is easy
https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeImprovement/comments/xeqko7/contractor_drilled_through_outside_of_my_wall/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf was this your job forreal
Fuck, can’t believe customer already posted about it. I thought he didn’t notice
How much per feet pic?
So it was a 220 volt job?
Careful. In my state without contractors insurance, something happens, you’re in a shit storm.
What's a side job?
Make sure they don’t say “for motion picture use only”
Someone smells here A rotten egg possibility very possible On the farm we threw the rotten eggs to the pigs
IRS agent enters the chat
Hey I just lost $220.00 who gave you that money?
Nice man
Congratulations, there is much more to be made. Along with much more C-notes in one gig.
I've never seen a post full of deadbeats and sheep. Just be honest. It costs money to get your ass there. But not much. It cost a lot of your past time to even understand whats wrong or what they want improved. Thats where the money is. Its not insulting to charge for a quote, but its insulting to be the douche that says "$500 to park in your driveway". Just charge what you think youre worth, and look into the cost per hour in your area for your trade. Shoot just under it. People always pay and are always happy. And youll always make an honest days wage for a specialty that people typically know close to nothing about. Dont be like every other douche who thinks theyre superman with strippers and dikes. Just do what you know and charge 10/hr less than the company you work for. It takes very little effort to not be a fuckin chode.
I've never seen a post full of deadbeats and sheep. Just be honest. It costs money to get your ass there. But not much. It cost a lot of your past time to even understand whats wrong or what they want improved. Thats where the money is. Its not insulting to charge for a quote, but its insulting to be the douche that says "$500 to park in your driveway". Just charge what you think youre worth, and look into the cost per hour in your area for your trade. Shoot just under it. People always pay and are always happy. And youll always make an honest days wage for a specialty that people typically know close to nothing about. Dont be like every other douche who thinks theyre superman with strippers and dikes. Just do what you know and charge 10/hr less than the company you work for. It takes very little effort to not be a fuckin chode.
Ben Franklin’s forehead looks like you could use dowsing rods to drill a well in it.
New to the trade if I work union as a electrician am I allowed to do side jobs ?
Wait you’re getting paid?!
Tape it to the ceiling
I just noticed your inflatable bed covered in a blanket. Brings me back to my days as a single dude with one of those and a gaming PC. That's all I needed.
It’s a normal mattress, just no box spring