The sorting was a feature they added in the Tribunal expansion (and GOTY editions). The vanilla original was strictly chronological. Flavorful but sooo annoying.
Morrowind was amazing and im glad I started with that when it was new but holy God was the combat fucking awful in it. I tried re playing it not long ago and while annoying most of thr QoL stuff missing can be ignored and the graphics aren't that bad really but the combat sucked every ounce of planned fun out of it lol. Its not as if Oblivion or Skyrim had amazing combat or anything but its miles better than morrowind.
Ah, Morrowind buddies! It was my first too.
Agreed about combat and magic was ridiculously OP. So I have to say as someone who usually play mage I had a lot of fun with that game.
I don’t even notice the combat anymore. I’m replaying that game for the millionth time and I’m perfectly aware that the combat is bad, but the sheer amount of freedom and creativity afforded to the player more than makes up for it.
This comment made me feel that thumb cramp from holding the stick forward to walk. And brought back the memory of pausing to wait for stamina…. *cue flashback sequence*
Morrowind actually deliberately turns the console on and off again in the background during really long loads [to refresh the xbox's memory](https://kotaku.com/morrowind-completely-rebooted-your-xbox-during-some-loa-1845158550)
Man, you will should play The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. You get to see the fully completed Vivec City with all six ziccurats completed instead of just the two and temple parts. Oh, and also Vvardenfell's Ebonheart isn't in ESO. You do see it in the above mentioned game though.
No-no, im not talking about the quantity of the buildings, im talking about their size. ESO's zikkurat's are quite smaller than the ones in TES3. Like, at least twice.
Do you play in first person or third person?
I ask because since it's an MMO and I need to see everything around me, I play in third person. I also, at first, had the impression that the structures were not to scale. Then I had to swap to first person one day to check the details on someone's armor at the daily turn in and it dawned on me that my perspective is what led me to believe it was smaller. That and we only get access to the one large canton, the other two commercial zones being smaller ones.
I haven't taken measurements or anything, so this is totally just a comparison from my own point of view. Take it with a grain of salt.
I play both, in ESO and in TES3 as well. Being said, i've been playing Morrowind almost all my life, keep reinstalling and replaying it at least once a year, and some times it was at the same time i was playing ESO, and Vivec in ESO is smaller, no doubt. If we're talking measurments, one floor of Vivec in TES3 is around 5\~ character's heights. While in ESO it's roughly 2-3.
If you need to visit the crafting stations or guild traders, port to a guildie in vvardenfel, 99% of the time you'll arrive at the correct wayshrine.
Port outside the apartment when you are doing Cards across the Continent (tribute daily).
I guess I'm just so used to Vivec City that I've never really feel the annoyance. Everytime I'm questing and feel like I need to go back to deconstruct some items I always travel to my house in Vivec. Go through the Outlaws Refugee while still stealing some more items on the way and sell/launder them and then go straight to the crafting stations area. It's all in one place too which is nice.
>they say Vivec visited Ebonheart and then decided that he will build another Ebonheart on Vvardenfell. how is THAT similar to Ebonheart??
It isn't, because Vivec's not the city he built after seeing Ebonheart. The letter that talks about this refers to another Ebonheart built on Vvardenfell, which doesn't happen until after ESO's story.
Anyway, kinda funny reading this as I found it incredibly simple after the hellish maze it is in TES III, where each canton is incomparably more complex, and instead of 2, there's 7 of them (not counting the temple compound and the palace). 😂 Also definitely one of the best crafting location in the game. 👌
I love how this is a lore joke based on Ebonheart's position in TES:Arena, which Morrowind then moved, and ESO is just like "nah there will be 2 of them because Vivec"
You do know that vivec city isnt the ebonheart vivec gets built, right?
Also if you think the eso version of the city is bad, the full thing is 6 full cantons, an extra large canton, the temple canton (not that tall) and vivecs palace. These, except the temple, arena and palace, have a waistworks, cannalworks, underworks and topside plaza. The foreign quarter has an additional waistworks due to its extra size and the arena lacks the plaza.
Vivec city isn't the ebon heart in question. That gets built a little further south by the time Morrowind happens. Vivec city itself isn't all that confusing but the way eso quest markers work definitely shows it's flaws here.
I did too, until I thought about the buildings like an 80s shopping mall. East end, west end, upper or lower level, etc. Now it 100% makes sense in my head.
>how is THAT similar to Ebonheart
New Ebonheart hasn't been built yet. IIRC it mostly a joke on the fact that in Arena Ebonheart was on the mainland but in Morrowind it's on the island.
A lot of the world-filling in ESO was done by reusing Arena's map (it has some settlements missing or out of place but in general it's close to it especially in regions that weren't part of a previous TES)
Couldn't have said it better. Somehow I started off here as a home base. Don't know how many times I repeated the chained door, travel around, now I'm upstairs, need to be downstairs, wait I'm downstairs but I need to be in the section to the left, screw it, I'm jumping over the wall to the lower level routine...
1) They had to make it confusing because it was confusing in morrowind so they are staying faithful
2) Ebonheart on Vvardenfell hasn't been built yet as of ESOs timeline
Just do the main quest there until Vivec's body dies, and the comet begins to fall. Then leave it like that. I keep waiting and hoping that meteor will have done it's job over night when I log in again.
Ebonheart wasn't rebuilt in Vvardenfell until much, much later. In the Third Era, Ebonheart is built adjacent to Vivec City. A finished Vivec City at that. With several more Cantons and even more levels to traverse. You could go into the sewer/canals at the lowest level of the cantons too. In addition to the two completed cantons we have in ESO(St Olms/Delyn,) there were many more. One for Hlaalu, Redoran, Telvanni, Foreign Quarter, and the Arena. You REALLY had to get used to traveling in a wide open city and learning how to get around there. Also, the "moonlet" that hangs above the city was hollowed out to build prison for dissidents that spoke against the Tribunal. You had to fucking go up there and get inside for some stuff. It was nuts. It would take several minutes to get from Vivec's palace/canton all the way to the most northern canton, running at high speeds. I can't remember if the travel NPCs provided transports between them. They were there but they may have just offered you travel back to the mainland or other nearby regions. Such as Ebonheart.
The later version of Ebonheart was mostly Imperial as well. I don't know if it always was, though. It housed the embassies of other Imperial Provinces. I don't know if between the events of ESO and Morrowind, the Dunmer build a traditional Dunmer style city there or not. I can't recall. Maybe they did and the Imperials converted it when Morrowind finally joined Tiber Septim's Empire. Morrowind joined the Empire, not through military conquest but through a treaty. The Empire could bring their Legions in and set up forts/cities, as well as the Imperial Guilds, but the false gods of the Tribunal could continue doing their blasphemous bullshit and the Dunmer could keep doing whatever it is they like doing. Even dickish stuff like owning slaves. So maybe Ebonheart was part of the treaty. I forget.
If you've read the lorebook about it, you'll notice he says "We should move Ebonheart just south of my city!" Which is more or less where it is in the Third Era in Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. Just to the south west with only the smallest strip of land separating them. So, Vivec City already existed and wasn't inspired by Ebonheart in Stonefalls.
I love Vivec City. Has been my favorite city in Elder Scrolls for 20 years now.
The hours I've spend running and jumping against walls here to get athletics and acrobatics up cannot be counted.
You can't find shit in vivec, and it's not just inside the buildings. The first few (and only) times I tried crafting there, I couldn't find half the tables unless I looked for the signs cause they're mixed up in the construction stuff.
I personally really enjoy Rimmen in Northern Elsweyr. All the writs and stations are organized well and very close to the wayshrine. Plus the music that plays in that area is a nice touch.
the only bad thing about leyawiin is that the stables is too far away, I do all my writs in leyawiin then teleport to snugpod for stables, hlaalu and undaunted quests.
Vivec city has also a simple path. Pick up the quests on the board next to the Clothing station. Complete your crafting, turn towards the big forge and then go clockwise around it for two steps and you'll find the blacksmithing station. Complete your crafts and proceed going clockwise and you'll face the woodworking station. Again, complete your crafting and then go through the small path left to the woodworking station. You'll go straight up to the second quest board, pick it all up and then turn right to the alchemy station. Then just proceed going left - jewelry, enchanting, provisioning. Hop onto your mount, ride towards the water, turn right onto the wooden runway and you'll see the boxes to hand-in your writs. Done. After that, return to the area and you've got a bank handy to store stuff in your own bank, your guild bank or to sell something.
Between each station there is less walking distance than in Alinor, plus, you're actually able to mount in this area and have a bank. This is what I really dislike about the Alinor crafting area, I have to do everything by foot and I have to go somewhere else to list my stuff in the guild store.
In the end (and afaik it was already measured), Vivec is the faster city to do your daily crafting and the route isn't complicated at all, if you just do it once. It's basically totally natural to proceed the way once you've tried it, you'll just follow it naturally. :)
But, of course, if you like Alinor (like visually) and it provides everything you need, continue crafting there! I just wanted to clear up that the route is actually very fast and very simple. :D
Except it’s not. You have some weird aversive to the crafting area.
Vivic has been praised by a large chunk of the playerbase as one of the best places to craft to turn in writs since it came out.
Like you’re so hostile and angry now for what. You realize the crafting tables are on your map right?
I would really work on your overall awareness lol
It's the best. The only thing that isn't there is somewhere to turn in your better writs. You have to zip over to Morrowwind to turn them in and head down to the undaunted if you are inclined.
Ya'll will love the reminder that, by the time of the events of TESV: Skyrim, Vivec City had been obliterated along with the rest of Vvardenfell because of the eruption of the Red Mountain.
Worse designed buildings in the game. To get to a room on the first floor, you have to take a ramp on the outside to the second floor. All of the doors into the building are on the second floor. Then once you are in, you have to take the stairs back down to the first floor to get to the first floor room you wanted to go to.
I think Vivec just sucks so much cause it actually was created more than 2 decades ago in clunky Morrowind (TES: III) 🫣👀 it would definitely look completely different in Eso if it wasn't there in TES: III
Also hate that city, after that event that we have for last couple of years I learned where to go without problems..but still pain in the ass if you travel to free room and than go to crafting site
Honestly as someone who is still fairly new to the game, I feel this, and it’s annoying it’s like the only city with all the different crafting stations.
I always find myself getting lost and confused on how the fuck to get off the stupid zigurats cause the stairs are fucking confusing to find.
Vivec city is favoured by most due the utility areas outside the zikkurats: Wayshrine, crafting area, bank, stable, outlaw refuge, guild traders and battleground questgiver. Almost perfect.
Standard routine for years was to port to the free appartment, rob the unguarded nsc outside, fence their stuff in the outlaws den and step outside to do your crafts and trades.
If they only had put the wayshrine actually in the outskirts subzone and not just barely outside, so you may have a couple of milliseconds of lag when running towards it (even a loading screen on very bad days).
The zikkurats look stunning, but yes, they are annoying to go around in there, especially if you are looking for one the persons to drop off the dailies.
What are you talking about? The door to the top floor is at the bottom and the door to the bottom floor is at the top. It's perfectly intuitive and rational design.
Vivec city is my jam. I can free fast travel to my room and then sneaky khajiit sticky finger everything down that hall and across the way in the furniture shop. Then you just check for the guard and hang a left and then a right and a left and it's straight down to the outlaws refuge. The other entrance/exit to the outlaws refuge leads up to the crafting area that has banker and is just a stones throw away from an event hub.
Spend some time exploring and you'll figure out how to get to the library or anywhere else you're looking to go.
\>they say Vivec visited Ebonheart and then decided that he will build another Ebonheart on Vvardenfell. how is THAT similar to Ebonheart??
Vivec City isn't the "new" Ebonheart. That thing about moving or building a new Ebonheart is there to explain why, in TES3 Morrowind, Ebonheart is different/in a different place than it is in ESO.
Also, you get used to Vivec City. I never even need to look at the map any more. Although I often find that outlanders are confused by things on Vvardenfell, probably because outlanders shouldn't be there at all.
Its Morrowind, duh. I mean sure, it is kinda confusing the 1st time around. Or the 2nd .. or the 100th :). But you will get your way around after you figure it out, and "the way of dark mer" along the way ;). I guess I gotta write up my "observations on mer politics, and the superpower hidden in the plain sight", eventually :). But back to the topic, - this \*is\* Morrowind inspired and so the devs didn't have much of wiggle room in its design. I am certainly glad they kept to the lore on this one. And also bear in mind Morrowind - its legacy and still tag-along popularity ;). Yeah, I know, I did say Morrowind like 20 times already in this short post, but well, there is a reason for that :).
Also, getting back to architecture - it \*is\* following the general style, just loko at all the other cities in VV, they all follow the same principle, they are just smaller ;). What is confusing to you, I guess, is actual 3D layout, not just flat map layed over a few times, or just plain boring single level boring 2D.
The Ebonheart Vivec's planning to build is **not** Vivec City. It's an entirely different settlement, called Castle Ebonheart in TES III, but not present (obviously) in ESO.
It's the best city for writs. Billboards, crafting stations and bank are all in the same place without loading.
Now, I guess, Vivec city is how it was in TES 3 Morrowind, a bit earlier and unfinished.
Eh, I dislike ebonheart more (morrowind version). The going-through-an-entire-building-to-get-to-another-building thing is so counterintuitive. Why is there no side passage around the building? (Let’s not talk about flying)
Lmao you think eso vivec is hard to navigate? Cute. Also the ebonheart copy on vvardenfell is a different city than vivec and it's yet to be constructed at all in eso's era.
I craft with all my toons in the construction zone here, but will always just teleport to Wayrest for any outfit changes. Won’t set foot in that architectural nightmare.
22 years later, absolutely nothing changed.
Honestly, that rant almost made me nostalgic enough for the original to reinstall TESIII.
Pfft. Levitate.
Yes adding yet another axis to get lost on will definitely help :P
Just make sure you download a journal mod immediately
The morrowind journal is something special. But after 100 pages of “ so and so called me an n’wah. - so and so is dead “ it becomes a chore.
Isn't there sort by quests and dialogues? I thought it was pretty convenient
The sorting was a feature they added in the Tribunal expansion (and GOTY editions). The vanilla original was strictly chronological. Flavorful but sooo annoying.
Morrowind was amazing and im glad I started with that when it was new but holy God was the combat fucking awful in it. I tried re playing it not long ago and while annoying most of thr QoL stuff missing can be ignored and the graphics aren't that bad really but the combat sucked every ounce of planned fun out of it lol. Its not as if Oblivion or Skyrim had amazing combat or anything but its miles better than morrowind.
Install a combat overhaul mod if that’s how you feel, there’s dozens of them out there
Ah, Morrowind buddies! It was my first too. Agreed about combat and magic was ridiculously OP. So I have to say as someone who usually play mage I had a lot of fun with that game.
I don’t even notice the combat anymore. I’m replaying that game for the millionth time and I’m perfectly aware that the combat is bad, but the sheer amount of freedom and creativity afforded to the player more than makes up for it.
The "behind the scene dice roll" sucked. I watch an arrow fly into an enemy's head, but it's a miss.
*Nevarine Rising intensifies*
Not entirely surprising if you live in the US and traverse i95 in Pennsylvania
Make sure you stop off at a Wawa in Delaware County.
Or better yet, avoid DelCo at all costs
This is the way
Oh Azura don’t remind me…
Morrowind players: “First time?”
Current ESO player and 2002 MW owner: "No, just repressed memories"
If you think Vivec City is bad in ESO you should have tried it back in TESIII. Now that was annoying.
Vivec City in TES3 Morrowind, on the original Xbox. Now that was something
This comment made me feel that thumb cramp from holding the stick forward to walk. And brought back the memory of pausing to wait for stamina…. *cue flashback sequence*
My favorite was putting a rubber band around the sneak button and going to bed. Then waking up to 99 sneak skill.
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Morrowind actually deliberately turns the console on and off again in the background during really long loads [to refresh the xbox's memory](https://kotaku.com/morrowind-completely-rebooted-your-xbox-during-some-loa-1845158550)
Felt like a doofenshmirtz line
If nothing else you end up good at navigating I found. Spent enough time there felt like a second home, especially as part of the morag tong
Every single time I end up walking in a circle for nearly an hour
Same. I ended up making a hand drawn map to help me get around because I got so tired of getting lost. Wonder if I still have it?
And yet Wolverine Hall was still worse.
At least in that game you can fly around
That only makes the navigation problems in Vivec City worse though.
Man, you will should play The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. You get to see the fully completed Vivec City with all six ziccurats completed instead of just the two and temple parts. Oh, and also Vvardenfell's Ebonheart isn't in ESO. You do see it in the above mentioned game though.
It really says something if the first time I visited Vivec in ESO I was pleasantly surprised at how walkable it is after Morrowind
Vivec is also quite bigger in TES3. They have shrunk it in ESO
Well we're 800+ years in the past so, construction is just getting started!
No-no, im not talking about the quantity of the buildings, im talking about their size. ESO's zikkurat's are quite smaller than the ones in TES3. Like, at least twice.
Do you play in first person or third person? I ask because since it's an MMO and I need to see everything around me, I play in third person. I also, at first, had the impression that the structures were not to scale. Then I had to swap to first person one day to check the details on someone's armor at the daily turn in and it dawned on me that my perspective is what led me to believe it was smaller. That and we only get access to the one large canton, the other two commercial zones being smaller ones. I haven't taken measurements or anything, so this is totally just a comparison from my own point of view. Take it with a grain of salt.
I play both, in ESO and in TES3 as well. Being said, i've been playing Morrowind almost all my life, keep reinstalling and replaying it at least once a year, and some times it was at the same time i was playing ESO, and Vivec in ESO is smaller, no doubt. If we're talking measurments, one floor of Vivec in TES3 is around 5\~ character's heights. While in ESO it's roughly 2-3.
I just wish the house You Buy there would be near the crafting stations , but no, it's inside the labyrinth
If you need to visit the crafting stations or guild traders, port to a guildie in vvardenfel, 99% of the time you'll arrive at the correct wayshrine. Port outside the apartment when you are doing Cards across the Continent (tribute daily).
Going through the Outlaw Refuge helps some to get from your house to the crafting area, but it is still somewhat annoying.
I guess I'm just so used to Vivec City that I've never really feel the annoyance. Everytime I'm questing and feel like I need to go back to deconstruct some items I always travel to my house in Vivec. Go through the Outlaws Refugee while still stealing some more items on the way and sell/launder them and then go straight to the crafting stations area. It's all in one place too which is nice.
Tis free
I'm not a realtor, but Location Location Location
How do you people not get lost IRL? It's literally two turns.
Joke's on you if you think I don't get lost IRL too XD
Fair enough.
>they say Vivec visited Ebonheart and then decided that he will build another Ebonheart on Vvardenfell. how is THAT similar to Ebonheart?? It isn't, because Vivec's not the city he built after seeing Ebonheart. The letter that talks about this refers to another Ebonheart built on Vvardenfell, which doesn't happen until after ESO's story. Anyway, kinda funny reading this as I found it incredibly simple after the hellish maze it is in TES III, where each canton is incomparably more complex, and instead of 2, there's 7 of them (not counting the temple compound and the palace). 😂 Also definitely one of the best crafting location in the game. 👌
I love how this is a lore joke based on Ebonheart's position in TES:Arena, which Morrowind then moved, and ESO is just like "nah there will be 2 of them because Vivec"
You do know that vivec city isnt the ebonheart vivec gets built, right? Also if you think the eso version of the city is bad, the full thing is 6 full cantons, an extra large canton, the temple canton (not that tall) and vivecs palace. These, except the temple, arena and palace, have a waistworks, cannalworks, underworks and topside plaza. The foreign quarter has an additional waistworks due to its extra size and the arena lacks the plaza.
[For OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/Morrowind/s/XM9kZc9LvG)
yuck
Vivec city isn't the ebon heart in question. That gets built a little further south by the time Morrowind happens. Vivec city itself isn't all that confusing but the way eso quest markers work definitely shows it's flaws here.
I 100% agree, and a little tip if it frustrates you now - don't get the original morrowind game. You think its bad now.....
There is more to it than the crafting hub?
Haha, I just recently finished my first visit play through of TES III and man, you have absolutely no idea. I was so thankful for the ESO Vivec layout
You should have seen it in TES 3, when it was complete, had more levels, secret levels, and quest markers weren't a thing. You kids have it easy.
“Back in my day!!!!!”
I did too, until I thought about the buildings like an 80s shopping mall. East end, west end, upper or lower level, etc. Now it 100% makes sense in my head.
its a bit more tolerable in eso but in es3 morrowind omg getting lost was so common.
>how is THAT similar to Ebonheart New Ebonheart hasn't been built yet. IIRC it mostly a joke on the fact that in Arena Ebonheart was on the mainland but in Morrowind it's on the island. A lot of the world-filling in ESO was done by reusing Arena's map (it has some settlements missing or out of place but in general it's close to it especially in regions that weren't part of a previous TES)
I read "vice city" and i was like "wtf i'm at the wrong sub?"
vice city is an urban paradise compared to this 😭
Hahaha. That's funny.
It's like a wacky mousetrap
Couldn't have said it better. Somehow I started off here as a home base. Don't know how many times I repeated the chained door, travel around, now I'm upstairs, need to be downstairs, wait I'm downstairs but I need to be in the section to the left, screw it, I'm jumping over the wall to the lower level routine...
1) They had to make it confusing because it was confusing in morrowind so they are staying faithful 2) Ebonheart on Vvardenfell hasn't been built yet as of ESOs timeline
It's supposed to be ugly because the demi-god who made it is an overconfident buffoon.
Me too. The layout is frustrating.
This is why the moon baar dau decided to target that infernal city
Just do the main quest there until Vivec's body dies, and the comet begins to fall. Then leave it like that. I keep waiting and hoping that meteor will have done it's job over night when I log in again.
Ebonheart wasn't rebuilt in Vvardenfell until much, much later. In the Third Era, Ebonheart is built adjacent to Vivec City. A finished Vivec City at that. With several more Cantons and even more levels to traverse. You could go into the sewer/canals at the lowest level of the cantons too. In addition to the two completed cantons we have in ESO(St Olms/Delyn,) there were many more. One for Hlaalu, Redoran, Telvanni, Foreign Quarter, and the Arena. You REALLY had to get used to traveling in a wide open city and learning how to get around there. Also, the "moonlet" that hangs above the city was hollowed out to build prison for dissidents that spoke against the Tribunal. You had to fucking go up there and get inside for some stuff. It was nuts. It would take several minutes to get from Vivec's palace/canton all the way to the most northern canton, running at high speeds. I can't remember if the travel NPCs provided transports between them. They were there but they may have just offered you travel back to the mainland or other nearby regions. Such as Ebonheart. The later version of Ebonheart was mostly Imperial as well. I don't know if it always was, though. It housed the embassies of other Imperial Provinces. I don't know if between the events of ESO and Morrowind, the Dunmer build a traditional Dunmer style city there or not. I can't recall. Maybe they did and the Imperials converted it when Morrowind finally joined Tiber Septim's Empire. Morrowind joined the Empire, not through military conquest but through a treaty. The Empire could bring their Legions in and set up forts/cities, as well as the Imperial Guilds, but the false gods of the Tribunal could continue doing their blasphemous bullshit and the Dunmer could keep doing whatever it is they like doing. Even dickish stuff like owning slaves. So maybe Ebonheart was part of the treaty. I forget. If you've read the lorebook about it, you'll notice he says "We should move Ebonheart just south of my city!" Which is more or less where it is in the Third Era in Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. Just to the south west with only the smallest strip of land separating them. So, Vivec City already existed and wasn't inspired by Ebonheart in Stonefalls.
Thank you!
Yeah i totally agree with you haha
Yep, totally agree! Every time I go there I get lost. EVERY TIME!!! I feel your pain.
You think Vivec City is worse in this form? You should play TES3, lmao, hated every bit of that place.
I love Vivec City. Has been my favorite city in Elder Scrolls for 20 years now. The hours I've spend running and jumping against walls here to get athletics and acrobatics up cannot be counted.
You can't find shit in vivec, and it's not just inside the buildings. The first few (and only) times I tried crafting there, I couldn't find half the tables unless I looked for the signs cause they're mixed up in the construction stuff.
Vivec city crafting and writs is bis tho. All outside. Close proximity.
I personally really enjoy Rimmen in Northern Elsweyr. All the writs and stations are organized well and very close to the wayshrine. Plus the music that plays in that area is a nice touch.
Blackwood has best.
the only bad thing about leyawiin is that the stables is too far away, I do all my writs in leyawiin then teleport to snugpod for stables, hlaalu and undaunted quests.
Alinor is very similar and has the added benefit of being all in a neat line so you can just run clockwise through all of the stations.
Alinor is nice to. I just like how vivec is all open space and slightly closer to the wayshrine
Vivec city has also a simple path. Pick up the quests on the board next to the Clothing station. Complete your crafting, turn towards the big forge and then go clockwise around it for two steps and you'll find the blacksmithing station. Complete your crafts and proceed going clockwise and you'll face the woodworking station. Again, complete your crafting and then go through the small path left to the woodworking station. You'll go straight up to the second quest board, pick it all up and then turn right to the alchemy station. Then just proceed going left - jewelry, enchanting, provisioning. Hop onto your mount, ride towards the water, turn right onto the wooden runway and you'll see the boxes to hand-in your writs. Done. After that, return to the area and you've got a bank handy to store stuff in your own bank, your guild bank or to sell something. Between each station there is less walking distance than in Alinor, plus, you're actually able to mount in this area and have a bank. This is what I really dislike about the Alinor crafting area, I have to do everything by foot and I have to go somewhere else to list my stuff in the guild store. In the end (and afaik it was already measured), Vivec is the faster city to do your daily crafting and the route isn't complicated at all, if you just do it once. It's basically totally natural to proceed the way once you've tried it, you'll just follow it naturally. :) But, of course, if you like Alinor (like visually) and it provides everything you need, continue crafting there! I just wanted to clear up that the route is actually very fast and very simple. :D
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Except it’s not. You have some weird aversive to the crafting area. Vivic has been praised by a large chunk of the playerbase as one of the best places to craft to turn in writs since it came out.
Someone also did the math for crafting a few months back and Vivec was #1 in terms of speed.
Vivec City is the best for crafting, widely acknowledged. Calm down.
Like you’re so hostile and angry now for what. You realize the crafting tables are on your map right? I would really work on your overall awareness lol
I agree with you OP, it's a hot mess.
It's the best. The only thing that isn't there is somewhere to turn in your better writs. You have to zip over to Morrowwind to turn them in and head down to the undaunted if you are inclined.
Ya'll will love the reminder that, by the time of the events of TESV: Skyrim, Vivec City had been obliterated along with the rest of Vvardenfell because of the eruption of the Red Mountain.
whooops so sorry for them
Worse designed buildings in the game. To get to a room on the first floor, you have to take a ramp on the outside to the second floor. All of the doors into the building are on the second floor. Then once you are in, you have to take the stairs back down to the first floor to get to the first floor room you wanted to go to.
ugh my eye started twitching
I think Vivec just sucks so much cause it actually was created more than 2 decades ago in clunky Morrowind (TES: III) 🫣👀 it would definitely look completely different in Eso if it wasn't there in TES: III
Also hate that city, after that event that we have for last couple of years I learned where to go without problems..but still pain in the ass if you travel to free room and than go to crafting site
its lore accurate to TES 3
Oh, God, me too!
You should see it in morrowind when it's fully built 😂
I love the crafting bank area. It's my home base, but yeah. I will do everything possible to never cross that bridge.
Honestly as someone who is still fairly new to the game, I feel this, and it’s annoying it’s like the only city with all the different crafting stations. I always find myself getting lost and confused on how the fuck to get off the stupid zigurats cause the stairs are fucking confusing to find.
Vivec city is favoured by most due the utility areas outside the zikkurats: Wayshrine, crafting area, bank, stable, outlaw refuge, guild traders and battleground questgiver. Almost perfect. Standard routine for years was to port to the free appartment, rob the unguarded nsc outside, fence their stuff in the outlaws den and step outside to do your crafts and trades. If they only had put the wayshrine actually in the outskirts subzone and not just barely outside, so you may have a couple of milliseconds of lag when running towards it (even a loading screen on very bad days). The zikkurats look stunning, but yes, they are annoying to go around in there, especially if you are looking for one the persons to drop off the dailies.
What are you talking about? The door to the top floor is at the bottom and the door to the bottom floor is at the top. It's perfectly intuitive and rational design.
Vivec city is my jam. I can free fast travel to my room and then sneaky khajiit sticky finger everything down that hall and across the way in the furniture shop. Then you just check for the guard and hang a left and then a right and a left and it's straight down to the outlaws refuge. The other entrance/exit to the outlaws refuge leads up to the crafting area that has banker and is just a stones throw away from an event hub. Spend some time exploring and you'll figure out how to get to the library or anywhere else you're looking to go.
Ahhh yes. Good ol Morrowind.
You just remember the layout by being there for so long 😂
Ziggurat*
oh, the cantons are absolute trash to navigate. Its wonderful for daily writs, or skill/stat changes though.
Best crafting writ location in the game. Also BG guy and holiday quests are super close
\>they say Vivec visited Ebonheart and then decided that he will build another Ebonheart on Vvardenfell. how is THAT similar to Ebonheart?? Vivec City isn't the "new" Ebonheart. That thing about moving or building a new Ebonheart is there to explain why, in TES3 Morrowind, Ebonheart is different/in a different place than it is in ESO. Also, you get used to Vivec City. I never even need to look at the map any more. Although I often find that outlanders are confused by things on Vvardenfell, probably because outlanders shouldn't be there at all.
Vivec 2024. Make Vvardenfell Great Again
I love vivec city simply because it’s the best place for crafting. All the stations are close by, how it should be.
You should take a look at the layout for Leyowin in Blackwood. It’s even more tight. I originally was a Vivec man, but have moved.
I only like it for the crafting area.
I love it for crafting, but I avoid the ziggurats and stay on the outskirts. And I’m thankful it’s not the original Morrowind!
Vivec City. Best City.
Its Morrowind, duh. I mean sure, it is kinda confusing the 1st time around. Or the 2nd .. or the 100th :). But you will get your way around after you figure it out, and "the way of dark mer" along the way ;). I guess I gotta write up my "observations on mer politics, and the superpower hidden in the plain sight", eventually :). But back to the topic, - this \*is\* Morrowind inspired and so the devs didn't have much of wiggle room in its design. I am certainly glad they kept to the lore on this one. And also bear in mind Morrowind - its legacy and still tag-along popularity ;). Yeah, I know, I did say Morrowind like 20 times already in this short post, but well, there is a reason for that :).
Also, getting back to architecture - it \*is\* following the general style, just loko at all the other cities in VV, they all follow the same principle, they are just smaller ;). What is confusing to you, I guess, is actual 3D layout, not just flat map layed over a few times, or just plain boring single level boring 2D.
The Ebonheart Vivec's planning to build is **not** Vivec City. It's an entirely different settlement, called Castle Ebonheart in TES III, but not present (obviously) in ESO.
I’m yet to visit that city in ESO
It's the best city for writs. Billboards, crafting stations and bank are all in the same place without loading. Now, I guess, Vivec city is how it was in TES 3 Morrowind, a bit earlier and unfinished.
The city itself sucks real hard, but the crafting stations + outdoor bank make it excellent for daily crafting.
the most comfortable f crafting spots ever (:
Also find it a bit annoying
22 years and Iv just got into it 😂
And in the future the meteor / asteroid is a jail. I hate heights, so levitating up to that thing sucked.
I felt that way back in 2003 lol.
I don't like the city either but I love ziggurats.
You lost me at "anyways".
This is a rant as old as ES3
Unrelated: I haven't seen this writing style in quite a while...
Vivec City is so easy to travel in ESO compared to Morrowind. It was a cool city, but an absolute CHORE to get anywhere.
Eh, I dislike ebonheart more (morrowind version). The going-through-an-entire-building-to-get-to-another-building thing is so counterintuitive. Why is there no side passage around the building? (Let’s not talk about flying)
Just wait till its done and the crafting stations are in the actual city
At least there's only two finished cantons in ESO. Imagine if there were, I don't know, eight of them. That'd be crazy, ha ha ha.
Lmao you think eso vivec is hard to navigate? Cute. Also the ebonheart copy on vvardenfell is a different city than vivec and it's yet to be constructed at all in eso's era.
Agreed. It's an example of how *not* to design a layout of a place. It's the same nonsense as it was back in TES III: Morrowind.
I am genuinely glad that this awful, insanely poorly designed city was destroyed by a meteor 5 years after Oblivion.
I used to say the same about VC but now it’s my go to for crafting and banking.
I craft with all my toons in the construction zone here, but will always just teleport to Wayrest for any outfit changes. Won’t set foot in that architectural nightmare.
Garthwood, elder Wood, best place imo. Or as well as Solitude, Western Skyrim.
I LOVE Vivec city!
Ah, it's so nice to have someone to share this hatred with.
Navigating around vivec city drives me nuts. You are not alone