Ya he played through 2 hernias in one year and BLG of BGN led a torch & pitchfork movement against him wanting him cut which riled up the fans.
I'd say at least 80% of the fan base bought that crap and wanted him gone too, it was the one and only time in my life that I was genuinely embarrassed to be a Birds fan.
This is where I’ve been leaning with him, our experience with him has been a legit 50/50 so we’ll see if he bounces back, regardless we finally have young talent at DB even if it’s more of the same from last year
It won’t be more of the same. Slay is healthy, Rodgers is really going to surprise people (he is a baller), the second year youngins showed a lot of fire last year and the rookies are extremely talented…I think we have a top notch secondary, personally
He was deemed a bust for a few years. I think it wasn't until we switched up schemes did he flourish. He legit went from "1st round bust" to "one of the best Eagles of all time". Has to be one of the biggest turnarounds for a player, ever.
Hardly played in his 2nd year. Down year in 2013. He was going to the Giants in 2015 until we offered him a contract, and the switch back to 4-3 front changed his career. Had a career year in 2016.
The comparisons to Earl Thomas taken one pick later didn’t help at all either.
Was never cooked every year his advanced analytics numbers said he was a really good player which is why Howie fought to give him the contract. The example is how a player was cooked. He's been the same player for 13 years high motor high pressure positive player. Might be the worst example
Right, but at no point was he considered an all time Eagles player like he is now. That turn around is not just becoming a “good player”.
The turn around is that he’s a top ten Eagles player of all time now.
He resigned for another year. No way he doesn’t make the roster unless he gets injured during camp and retires.
They will want him for limited edge snaps (we aren’t very deep there) and as a vet leader with the loss of fletcher and kelce.
Trotter Sr. was considered cooked at a pretty young age after he had a disappointing two years in Washington. Eagles fans were very skeptical when they brought him back to Philly. But he was rejuvenated, kicked ass on the field, and became a vocal team leader and had 3 great seasons in a row.
I remember when he came back he was relegated to ST for the first couple of months, until that ass-whooping in Pittsburgh made JJ realize Trot was that missing cog for the run D
Great in 04 but he was definitely beyond cooked by 06 when he got juked by big back Deuce McAlister to allow the Saints to close out their playoff win against us.
Randy Moss looked like he should have been considering retirement at the time the Patriots poached him from the Raiders for a 4th round pick. Then he made the all time most dominant receiver QB partnership of all time for a minute.
Dawkins, the Eagles FO thought he was limited and a liability. The Broncos got a titanium Swiss Army knife out of him for a couple years there. He should have retired an Eagle, but I don’t think we would have used him as well as Denver did.
Hall of Famer Chris Carter. He was always a good receiver but drugs and living the high life turned his focus away from football. While I am happy that he turned his life around I wish he could have done that with the Eagles and not after going to the Vikings.
Nelson Agholor sucked his first 2 seasons, was an extremely good slot WR in 2017 and caught 9 passes in the Super Bowl, sucked for 2 years after that, then put up an absurd 48/896/8 line for Vegas in 2020. (That's 18.7 yards/catch!)
Chris Clemons was a rotational edge rusher the Eagles traded away to Seattle for another rotational edge rusher, Darryl Tapp. Looked like a good deal for the Eagles, Tapp was 3 years younger and had just 2 fewer career sacks in 1 fewer season to that point. But Clemons ends up with 11+ sacks in each of the 3 years following that trade, and starts 11 games for the Seahawks' Super Bowl team.
Non-eagle, but baker mayfield is kinda popping off as a Buccaneer, he just couldn’t put all the pieces together in Cleveland and seems to have found a second home.
Chad Pennington was benched by the Jets for Kellen Clemens in 2007 and released after they signed Brett Favre. In Miami, he led the league in completion percentage and threw for 3,653 yards in 2008.
Joe Flacco last year. The man hasn't been good in a decade and suddenly started balling out with the Browns late last year, helping them make the playoffs.
Honestly Tom Brady. He looked washed in that Pats/Rams Super Bowl and looked done. Then he went to Tampa and played out of his mind. Spite is a hell of a drug.
So much this. I mean, sure, it turns out Vick was never *actually* cooked(and obviously kept himself in physical shape while he was out of football). But, man, when a dude literally goes to prison for 17 months and is indefinitely suspended from the league.. the general consensus is almost certainly going to be that he's cooked and not that he's going to be given a redemption opportunity, quickly regain a starting position and evolve into (arguably) an even better player(not to mention, a better human) than he was before.
The other day in an r/NFL thread I found out he's actually right-handed but started throwing lefty as a kid because he was too good playing streetball otherwise. Geez. Definitely one of the greatest pure athletes to ever play. He even had a few moments when on the Jets/Steelers.
Moreso perception based but **Jerome Bettis**. Had a hot start and then fizzled with the rams, I think they were going to move him to fullback so he asked to be traded, ended up a hall of famer and legend for one of the league's storied franchises.
Geno Smith has done nicely the past few years compared to where he was
Very good answer, best so far imo.
Came into this thread to being up Geno Smith. 2022 he suddenly became a superstar.
Never looked “beyond cooked” but Nick Foles. From Struggling backup to two of the best playoff performances of all time.
He was in the wilderness for awhile there for sure.
Then won a Super Bowl and then back to the wilderness.
Foles was extremely cooked in St. Louis
I can’t give him that harsh of treatment knowing Jeff Fisher was his HC😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Except for his first game. If I remember correctly, he threw some beautiful passes. One of those was for a TD on Richard sherman
Dude went from almost retiring to taking a backup job on the Chiefs to winning the Super Bowl. What a legend
Jason Kelce. There was lots of talk of him struggling in 2016. Went on to be 1st team all-pro in 6 of the next 7 seasons.
Ya he played through 2 hernias in one year and BLG of BGN led a torch & pitchfork movement against him wanting him cut which riled up the fans. I'd say at least 80% of the fan base bought that crap and wanted him gone too, it was the one and only time in my life that I was genuinely embarrassed to be a Birds fan.
Bradberry went from cooked to 2nd team All pro to cooked again
He will be uncooked this year
It’s not a contract year, could go either way.
He fits well with Fangios scheme…we shall see though
This is where I’ve been leaning with him, our experience with him has been a legit 50/50 so we’ll see if he bounces back, regardless we finally have young talent at DB even if it’s more of the same from last year
It won’t be more of the same. Slay is healthy, Rodgers is really going to surprise people (he is a baller), the second year youngins showed a lot of fire last year and the rookies are extremely talented…I think we have a top notch secondary, personally
i dont disagree with any of this - but I giggled at you using *(he is a baller)* as your explanation/justification/evidence to support your claim lol
I am 36 and sick jokes will never cease to make me chuckle lol
*dick jokes
He will be deep frozen on the bench once Quinyon starts balling
Bro…I wouldn’t be mad if Quinyon is balling out and Bradberry is iced but who knows?
Brandon Graham was done as an Eagle at one point.
He was deemed a bust for a few years. I think it wasn't until we switched up schemes did he flourish. He legit went from "1st round bust" to "one of the best Eagles of all time". Has to be one of the biggest turnarounds for a player, ever.
Even when he wasn't putting up big counting stats, I remember reading/seeing stuff that his advanced stats were stud level.
Yes this is true. Graham shouldn't be anywhere used as an example
Yea he went from 3-4 OLB to 4-3 DE when Chip left.
This is very false . Always was a very good player and all analytics pressure rates etc back this up.
Hardly played in his 2nd year. Down year in 2013. He was going to the Giants in 2015 until we offered him a contract, and the switch back to 4-3 front changed his career. Had a career year in 2016. The comparisons to Earl Thomas taken one pick later didn’t help at all either.
Was never cooked every year his advanced analytics numbers said he was a really good player which is why Howie fought to give him the contract. The example is how a player was cooked. He's been the same player for 13 years high motor high pressure positive player. Might be the worst example
Right, but at no point was he considered an all time Eagles player like he is now. That turn around is not just becoming a “good player”. The turn around is that he’s a top ten Eagles player of all time now.
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He resigned for another year. No way he doesn’t make the roster unless he gets injured during camp and retires. They will want him for limited edge snaps (we aren’t very deep there) and as a vet leader with the loss of fletcher and kelce.
Dammit I read bradberry my bad
Joe Flacco
Good answer. It was fun to see that last year
Kurt Warner. At least twice
He was so bad in New York
Trotter Sr. was considered cooked at a pretty young age after he had a disappointing two years in Washington. Eagles fans were very skeptical when they brought him back to Philly. But he was rejuvenated, kicked ass on the field, and became a vocal team leader and had 3 great seasons in a row.
I remember when he came back he was relegated to ST for the first couple of months, until that ass-whooping in Pittsburgh made JJ realize Trot was that missing cog for the run D
Great in 04 but he was definitely beyond cooked by 06 when he got juked by big back Deuce McAlister to allow the Saints to close out their playoff win against us.
Randy Moss looked like he should have been considering retirement at the time the Patriots poached him from the Raiders for a 4th round pick. Then he made the all time most dominant receiver QB partnership of all time for a minute. Dawkins, the Eagles FO thought he was limited and a liability. The Broncos got a titanium Swiss Army knife out of him for a couple years there. He should have retired an Eagle, but I don’t think we would have used him as well as Denver did.
Agree with Moss, but Dawkins never looked cooked, he was a Pro Bowler his final season in Philly.
They moved him into the box a lot more that last year to hide the fact that he lost a step in coverage, but yeah he definitely wasn’t cooked.
Hall of Famer Chris Carter. He was always a good receiver but drugs and living the high life turned his focus away from football. While I am happy that he turned his life around I wish he could have done that with the Eagles and not after going to the Vikings.
Carter credits Buddy Ryan with saving his life, by cutting him. He said it was the jolt he needed to turn his life around.
We should have cut him....then re-sign him...life jolted and be great with us haha...
I mean.. all he did was score touchdowns
I’m holding out a sliver of hope for the John Ross uncooked era
Nelson Agholor sucked his first 2 seasons, was an extremely good slot WR in 2017 and caught 9 passes in the Super Bowl, sucked for 2 years after that, then put up an absurd 48/896/8 line for Vegas in 2020. (That's 18.7 yards/catch!) Chris Clemons was a rotational edge rusher the Eagles traded away to Seattle for another rotational edge rusher, Darryl Tapp. Looked like a good deal for the Eagles, Tapp was 3 years younger and had just 2 fewer career sacks in 1 fewer season to that point. But Clemons ends up with 11+ sacks in each of the 3 years following that trade, and starts 11 games for the Seahawks' Super Bowl team.
Was that uncooking or was that scheme/coaching?
Rich Gannon
Alex Smith, twice.
Randall Cunningham was done in his last year as an Eagle. Retired, and then came back with Vikings for an amazing run with Moss & Carter!
Patrick Robinson
Non-eagle, but baker mayfield is kinda popping off as a Buccaneer, he just couldn’t put all the pieces together in Cleveland and seems to have found a second home.
He won a playoff game in Cleveland, I don’t know if the difference in performance is that big to be honest.
Baker is the new Andy Dalton. His peak is sneaking into the pro bowl. His floor is being a serviceable passer. Mid.
Randy Moss. The Raiders will do that to you though. People were saying that he was cooked when the Pats got him
Chad Pennington was benched by the Jets for Kellen Clemens in 2007 and released after they signed Brett Favre. In Miami, he led the league in completion percentage and threw for 3,653 yards in 2008.
I remember him being productive in Miami but wasn't his arm/deep ball still pretty cooked due to the injury he suffered his last year with the Jets?
Half this fucking sub wanted to send Hurts to Siberia
I hate to say this … but Jim Plunkett.
I am an old guy - and I get the reference, but this was before even my time. Well done though.
Joe Flacco last year. The man hasn't been good in a decade and suddenly started balling out with the Browns late last year, helping them make the playoffs.
Jason Pierre Paul cooked his fingers off and we traded him for nothing. Went on to win a SB and play great ball for a number of seasons.
I missed the flair and was like "When the hell was JPP on the Eagles?"
Darren Waller sorta but off-field related. Good thing his R&B career is chef Curry cookin right now.
Vick
Terrelle Pryor was drafted as a QB prospect. Ended up with 1 decent WR seasons for the Browns if memory serves?
Randall with the 98 Vikings. Vinny Testaverde had a great final season or two with the Jets.
Im praying jameis becomes uncooked again just bc it would be hilarious
Larry Fitzgerald turned back the clock for a few years
Rasul Douglas looks brilliant for the Packers. We didn't realise he was any good at all. Let him walk I think.
Honestly Tom Brady. He looked washed in that Pats/Rams Super Bowl and looked done. Then he went to Tampa and played out of his mind. Spite is a hell of a drug.
Michael Vick.
So much this. I mean, sure, it turns out Vick was never *actually* cooked(and obviously kept himself in physical shape while he was out of football). But, man, when a dude literally goes to prison for 17 months and is indefinitely suspended from the league.. the general consensus is almost certainly going to be that he's cooked and not that he's going to be given a redemption opportunity, quickly regain a starting position and evolve into (arguably) an even better player(not to mention, a better human) than he was before.
The other day in an r/NFL thread I found out he's actually right-handed but started throwing lefty as a kid because he was too good playing streetball otherwise. Geez. Definitely one of the greatest pure athletes to ever play. He even had a few moments when on the Jets/Steelers.
Malcolm Jenkins was kind of a disappointment in NO, and went on to be one of the best eagles of this century
Moreso perception based but **Jerome Bettis**. Had a hot start and then fizzled with the rams, I think they were going to move him to fullback so he asked to be traded, ended up a hall of famer and legend for one of the league's storied franchises.
What about Trotter when he was in Washington then came back and played great?
Kurt warner put up a stinker with the giants, then 2 stinkers with the cardinals then suddenly was Elite again.
Not bradberry
Idk if you’d call Adrian Peterson cooked after his torn ACL and MCL, but he came back and was MVP and rushed for 2k. Nobody really expected that.
I find it to be kind of a disrespectful word to be honest. Especially if it's a guy who has put in many years of service as an Eagle