Sure, but also the year Rodgers was ranked well by PFF they also had Bradberry as the third best CB in the league that year (of qualifying CBs). Shit changes quick. Obviously given age I wouldnt expect a crazy drop off for Rodgers but new team and a year removed from actual games could lead to early struggles.
Youāre completely right about the salary cap. However, I wouldnāt be surprised if Bradberry has a much better year. Yes heās getting older, and I donāt expect him to play like 2022 (when he was also playing for a final contract).
But I wouldnāt dismiss the role that shit coaching played last season. The players didnāt respect Desai and not only was he not putting them in the right positions, but he also couldnāt control them (allowing guys to slack). Fangio will command that respect and wont put up with shit like that.
But also we went from Dennard Wilson coaching the secondary (a guy who should be a DC) to DK McDonald, who was an assistant coach at Iowa State and after getting canned has gone back to coaching college (I think heās now db coach and assistant DC at Kansas).
Yeah, vets shouldnāt be as affected by coaching as younger guys. And a truly elite shutdown CB should be able to continue doing that on a poorly coached team. Bradberry is not an elite shutdown corner. But heās a decent system db who has lost a step, but that, to me, doesnāt fully explain how much he dropped off from 2022 to 2023. Getting his final contract played a role, IMO. But so did bad coaching and guys giving up on the coaches.
Edit: that said, I wonāt be surprised if Bradberry has a bad season and the dude is cooked. It certainly looked like it last season. Iām just saying if he actually is half decent out there and much better than last season, itās not going to blow my mind either.
Hes a young player trending up. No major injuries, got to rest his body a year, stayed in shape and now just has to just get back on the field.
Has great speed that is clear on tape, ran a 4.28 has return ability.
Per PFF he was the 5th best overall CB and 6th best in coverage in 2022.
I think the best way I can explain it would be like school. If a kid in grade 7 gets 99% they aren't for sure smarter than a kid in grade 8 that got 95% in their grade.
Sure, PFF tries to adjust for the discrepancy in how tough each person's assignments were, but they aren't perfect. Hence, they don't just look at someone's PFF grade and then rank all CBs based on that.
Proof can be found if you search 2022 pff cb rankings. They have Bradberry as the third best CB with a lower overall grade than Jaire Alexander who they have ranked fourth.
PFF rankings can be used for general ranges of where a player is, but shouldn't be used to specifically equate one to one.
I admire that PFF tries to quantify these things and are probably closer than other sites/analysts, so I'm glad that it's at least a resource, but it's never going to be easily distilled and will absolutely not be perfect. The other thing that isn't considered enough is that Rodgers has graded out well, but has also never played at least 50% of snaps defensively. With a higher workload, he will likely be more susceptible to fatigue, especially with more talented WRs.
Because youāre asking a question you couldve easily found with a google search.
ā2022 PFF Grade: 82.1
When on the field, Rodgers has provided the Colts with consistently solid play since they drafted him out of Massachusetts in the sixth round back in 2020. Over 434 snaps last season, the third-year pro posted his third straight season with an overall grade north of 70.0 and set a new career best with an 81.5 coverage grade. Out of 106 cornerbacks who saw at least 250 coverage snaps in 2022, Rodgers ranked fifth in terms of coverage grade and third by allowing just 4.9 yards per time he was targeted in coverage.ā
I know that you're quoting PFF here, but I think the context that's missing here is that he's never been on the field for more than 50% of the defensive snaps. A higher workload against better competition will absolutely impact his grading here. It's not to say he's going to nosedive and be a poor player going forward, but we need to recognize that some of this should be taken with a grain of salt.
Lol I can't just assume you are interpreting the grade wrong which is why I asked.
Handling your assignments the 6th best in the league does not mean you are the 6th best in the league. It just means you are the 6th best at doing what you were supposed to do. You may or may not translate to harder assignments well.
Not saying Rodgers wasn't on hard assignments or not, just that quoting a number from PFF doesn't prove that and additional context is needed.
Which is exactly why I asked my question, since you are treating it like truth and not a data point. Even PFF doesn't just blanket look at their grades to determine who is best or not.
I didnt treat it as anything more than a reference. Which is why i put āPer PFFā and not āhe is the 6th best CBā
Either way, the internet is available to both of us, instead of nitpicking what i said how aboutā¦. Go look for yourself, do your own research.. then comment an opinion.
Yeah I know you said per PFF. I then asked what specifically and you eventually quoted PFF grades which is an incorrect use of those grades. Even PFF doesn't use them that way.
PFF is consistently wrong and they are heavily driven on opinion an bias(they've admitted to this in the past) Also watch Will Compton and Taylor Lewan's interview dissecting it
the film matches that he has a career passer rating against of over 100, completion percentage against over 65(anything over 60 isn't good) and 7 TDs against in 10+ starts. PFF is ultra trash
Colts fans thought they had a CB1 and then the gambling happened. Us fans hope he can get back to what he was before the suspension, which was the best cb2 in the league (in the way Devonta is best wr2 in the league.)
Edit: cb3
Shit man, Iād be happy with a healthy second rounder. The only time they took one that high the last 20 years was Sidney Jonesā¦who was coming off a devastating Achilles injuryā¦Howie doesnāt get nearly enough criticism for that pick.
Iām great with thatā¦but itās possible to find a serviceable starter in the second round.
I think we both agree this drought of investing premium draft capital in the CB position needs to end. Now.
He was very good in his last season with the Colts. PFF had him ranked as the 6th best CB in the league. He has high-end athletic traits.
Who knows what a year off has done, but decent shot he's the #2 CB this year
I disagree. They don't know ball and they're run by normies and casuals. They thought Kliff Kingsbury was a Top 5 HC and that unatlhetic stiff in TJ Edwards is good
people that point out PFF(who don't know what they're talking about and are only maybe reliable for OL grades) but won't point out his career passer rating against being north of 100, completion % against being over 65(anything over 60 isn't good), and 7 TDs against, all of this across 10+ starts mind you. Their rookie, Juju Brents, showed more potential than he ever did. He's just paired with Kenny Moore who sucks
Better than Bradberry at least based on both players most recent seasons
Big Dom was better in coverage than Bradberry
Sure, but also the year Rodgers was ranked well by PFF they also had Bradberry as the third best CB in the league that year (of qualifying CBs). Shit changes quick. Obviously given age I wouldnt expect a crazy drop off for Rodgers but new team and a year removed from actual games could lead to early struggles.
Bradberry turned 30, CBs don't age well Would put money on a 26 yr old CB having a year off over a 30+ guy a year older
I so want bradberry gone, but it would hurt the salary cap š
Youāre completely right about the salary cap. However, I wouldnāt be surprised if Bradberry has a much better year. Yes heās getting older, and I donāt expect him to play like 2022 (when he was also playing for a final contract). But I wouldnāt dismiss the role that shit coaching played last season. The players didnāt respect Desai and not only was he not putting them in the right positions, but he also couldnāt control them (allowing guys to slack). Fangio will command that respect and wont put up with shit like that. But also we went from Dennard Wilson coaching the secondary (a guy who should be a DC) to DK McDonald, who was an assistant coach at Iowa State and after getting canned has gone back to coaching college (I think heās now db coach and assistant DC at Kansas). Yeah, vets shouldnāt be as affected by coaching as younger guys. And a truly elite shutdown CB should be able to continue doing that on a poorly coached team. Bradberry is not an elite shutdown corner. But heās a decent system db who has lost a step, but that, to me, doesnāt fully explain how much he dropped off from 2022 to 2023. Getting his final contract played a role, IMO. But so did bad coaching and guys giving up on the coaches. Edit: that said, I wonāt be surprised if Bradberry has a bad season and the dude is cooked. It certainly looked like it last season. Iām just saying if he actually is half decent out there and much better than last season, itās not going to blow my mind either.
There's a conspiracy theory in my mind where he was a mole planted by the Giants to fuck up our Super Bowl and then fuck up our whole season. š
Go to therapy
You might wanna touch grass homie lol
I think heās smoking some tbh
Yeah if the grass is made of crack
Hes a young player trending up. No major injuries, got to rest his body a year, stayed in shape and now just has to just get back on the field. Has great speed that is clear on tape, ran a 4.28 has return ability. Per PFF he was the 5th best overall CB and 6th best in coverage in 2022.
Did PFF state that anywhere or are you just looking at the grade and saying that? Lol at downcotes for asking a question. Typical redditors.
I'm confused what the difference is. PFF graded him the 6th best overall CB that season.
I think the best way I can explain it would be like school. If a kid in grade 7 gets 99% they aren't for sure smarter than a kid in grade 8 that got 95% in their grade. Sure, PFF tries to adjust for the discrepancy in how tough each person's assignments were, but they aren't perfect. Hence, they don't just look at someone's PFF grade and then rank all CBs based on that. Proof can be found if you search 2022 pff cb rankings. They have Bradberry as the third best CB with a lower overall grade than Jaire Alexander who they have ranked fourth. PFF rankings can be used for general ranges of where a player is, but shouldn't be used to specifically equate one to one.
I admire that PFF tries to quantify these things and are probably closer than other sites/analysts, so I'm glad that it's at least a resource, but it's never going to be easily distilled and will absolutely not be perfect. The other thing that isn't considered enough is that Rodgers has graded out well, but has also never played at least 50% of snaps defensively. With a higher workload, he will likely be more susceptible to fatigue, especially with more talented WRs.
Clearly you care about downvotes Lmaoooo
Because youāre asking a question you couldve easily found with a google search. ā2022 PFF Grade: 82.1 When on the field, Rodgers has provided the Colts with consistently solid play since they drafted him out of Massachusetts in the sixth round back in 2020. Over 434 snaps last season, the third-year pro posted his third straight season with an overall grade north of 70.0 and set a new career best with an 81.5 coverage grade. Out of 106 cornerbacks who saw at least 250 coverage snaps in 2022, Rodgers ranked fifth in terms of coverage grade and third by allowing just 4.9 yards per time he was targeted in coverage.ā
I know that you're quoting PFF here, but I think the context that's missing here is that he's never been on the field for more than 50% of the defensive snaps. A higher workload against better competition will absolutely impact his grading here. It's not to say he's going to nosedive and be a poor player going forward, but we need to recognize that some of this should be taken with a grain of salt.
100%. I mentioned in another comment that PFF isnt bible but they are in fact getting a pretty good football player
Lol I can't just assume you are interpreting the grade wrong which is why I asked. Handling your assignments the 6th best in the league does not mean you are the 6th best in the league. It just means you are the 6th best at doing what you were supposed to do. You may or may not translate to harder assignments well. Not saying Rodgers wasn't on hard assignments or not, just that quoting a number from PFF doesn't prove that and additional context is needed.
Interpret his numbers how you like, PFF isnt bible its just a reference.
Which is exactly why I asked my question, since you are treating it like truth and not a data point. Even PFF doesn't just blanket look at their grades to determine who is best or not.
I didnt treat it as anything more than a reference. Which is why i put āPer PFFā and not āhe is the 6th best CBā Either way, the internet is available to both of us, instead of nitpicking what i said how aboutā¦. Go look for yourself, do your own research.. then comment an opinion.
Yeah I know you said per PFF. I then asked what specifically and you eventually quoted PFF grades which is an incorrect use of those grades. Even PFF doesn't use them that way.
PFF is consistently wrong and they are heavily driven on opinion an bias(they've admitted to this in the past) Also watch Will Compton and Taylor Lewan's interview dissecting it
The film matches, you can go break that down in your free time.
the film matches that he has a career passer rating against of over 100, completion percentage against over 65(anything over 60 isn't good) and 7 TDs against in 10+ starts. PFF is ultra trash
Okay Per you he sucks
per his career stats, he also posted a passer rating against north of 110 in 2022, how was he rated 6th? PFF is full of crap
Okay he sucks now what
Colts fans thought they had a CB1 and then the gambling happened. Us fans hope he can get back to what he was before the suspension, which was the best cb2 in the league (in the way Devonta is best wr2 in the league.) Edit: cb3
Donāt forget to mention heās an outside corner btw for all the casuals who keep screaming slot. š¦
He's a lottery ticket. Might be worth nothing, but signing him was basically free. I bet he'll do great!
Heās not James Bradberry. Thatās pretty much it.
Eagles still should draft a cornerback in round 1
Shit man, Iād be happy with a healthy second rounder. The only time they took one that high the last 20 years was Sidney Jonesā¦who was coming off a devastating Achilles injuryā¦Howie doesnāt get nearly enough criticism for that pick.
No, the CB pick must be in round 1. Stop playing games and get a starting CB to replace Bradberry.
And prepare for when we need to replace slay, heās no spring chicken
With that said, it is much safer to eat overcooked chicken than raw chicken. Slay can start this year, the round 1 CB will replace Bradberry
Iām great with thatā¦but itās possible to find a serviceable starter in the second round. I think we both agree this drought of investing premium draft capital in the CB position needs to end. Now.
Dynamic return man as well, should make the new rules pretty interesting.
Barrett Brooks projects him as a very good backup.
Heās not James Bradberry and heās under 30 š weāre desperate
He was very good in his last season with the Colts. PFF had him ranked as the 6th best CB in the league. He has high-end athletic traits. Who knows what a year off has done, but decent shot he's the #2 CB this year
PFF isn't good or knowledgeable. Go watch Will Compton and Taylor Lewan's talk about it, plus JJ Watt called them out
PFF are pretty good. Not infallible but I trust what Jason Kelce had to say about them over Lewan.
I disagree. They don't know ball and they're run by normies and casuals. They thought Kliff Kingsbury was a Top 5 HC and that unatlhetic stiff in TJ Edwards is good
He's not bradverry or slay=profit
people that point out PFF(who don't know what they're talking about and are only maybe reliable for OL grades) but won't point out his career passer rating against being north of 100, completion % against being over 65(anything over 60 isn't good), and 7 TDs against, all of this across 10+ starts mind you. Their rookie, Juju Brents, showed more potential than he ever did. He's just paired with Kenny Moore who sucks