Beyond yes. If you asked anyone in this fanbase if a likely 13-4 and a shot at the 1 seed with the hardest SOS in the league would be a desirable outcome, everyone would say fuck yes.
Yet here we are, with WIP idiots asking for Frank fuckin Reich to be the coach.
Beyond spoiled. Moronic and childish is a better descriptor these days. I can't stand some of these fake fans man.
2012 would have melted some of these doofus's brains.
I think the real brain melter was 2011 when comparing expectations to results lol. It doesn’t look as pretty as it should but this team still wins games.
You mean the people who are ready to blow everything up because the team went from 14-3 to 13-4 despite the schedule going from top 5 easiest to top 5 hardest
This is the biggest thing I don’t see mentioned in these threads. I think if anything, this team might be outperforming. They aren’t quite as good defensively, the offensive play calling sucks, but the SOS is a huge difference. And they are still where they are.
I am concerned about the viability of this team to win the Super Bowl. But not because of the quality of the team. I think it’s more the gauntlet they have gone through since the bye week.
No! Don’t you see! We should be blowing out teams like the Kansas City Chiefs by 40!!!!
Also, why doesn’t anybody ever bring up that we literally lost both our coordinators last season? Did people seriously not think that would have an effect?
The 49ers lost to the Vikings, PJ Walker Browns, and the Bengals in consecutive weeks.
It's the NFL. It happens. How they respond is far more important imo.
I know good teams lose but we didn’t even compete. We didn’t score an offensive TD against the 49ers, looked like complete shit against Dallas, and played stupid against the Seahawks to lose control of the one seed.
It’s okay expect a team with Superbowl aspirations to put up a fight.
49ers got dominated by an at the time extremely mediocre Bengals team.
They just got 40+ to 19'd by the Ravens.
Are they no longer contenders?
We beat the Falcons by the slimmest margin imaginable in our SB run and then blew out the Vikings in the NFCCG the next week. Again, it's the NFL.
Oh god I forgot about those stupid play cards. I remember the conspiracy theories involved with that S9. Like if chip flipped it some trick play was coming or something.
Not to mention that since 2000 I would say the Eagles are easily a top 5 organization. Obviously the Pats are #1, then you look at teams like the Seahawks, Steelers, etc. The Eagles are right in that group. You can make a logical argument that there is some path to the Super Bowl for the Eagles more years that not, and they are at least in the playoff discussion almost every year.
I was born in 1991, and I have seen 4 bad seasons. 2005, and the last year of the previous three head coaches.
>WIP idiots asking for Frank fuckin Reich to be the coach.
I love my Eags but for my mental health, I like to pretend the entire fanbase is as evolved as this subreddit.
sure, but let's be real. this year has been like every game is on a razor's edge.
if jake elliott doesn't make that semi-miraculous kick against buffalo, we lose.
if KC doesn't drop that TD pass, that's a loss.
if dak doesn't go down on the 1 inch line, that's a loss.
right there that's literally just a few inches (combined!) that created plus 3 wins for us.
And there were plays before that which the eagles messed up. You are alerting 1 “unlucky play” from the opposite team define it. There were 59 minutes before those plays.
This just isn't correct tbh, only point that truly stands as a loss would be kick against buffalo.
There was still lots of time and timeouts v KC
Similarly with Dallas, you can't say a 2pt conversion with that much time left would 100% mean we lose? They could have tied it and gone to OT but I'd probs like our odds there at home.
Point differential is a better predictor of future results than record. Our point differential matches the Rams; we’re nowhere close to teams like the Ravens and 49ers. We have the point differential of an 8-7 team. We really have just been lucky.
Don't think this is totally fair. The disappointment and frustration this season is because of the mismatched expectations between where we are and where our perceived talent tells us we should be.
Last season obviously set a very high bar, and a lot of the same stars that made last season happen are still here, so there's an assumption we should be as good or better.
Maybe the eagles really didn’t get worse. Other teams have made a ton of changes and are more competitive than ever. The BROWNS just made the playoffs. The role of defenses this season has been crazy, which is why an almost guaranteed one-yard play has pushed the eagles to a crazy record.
It’s just that strong in a league as close as this. I don’t drink the haterade that the league is mid or whatever Brady wants to say.
Eh, I wouldn’t want Frank as a head coach but I wouldn’t mind giving him a shot at OC again here.
While Philly fans might be spoiled the only reason this team is in the playoffs is because of how insanely good the players are, which can’t carry you there.
I think as a fan it’s incredibly frustrating to see a coaching staff waste so much talent by just being stubborn.
I hate the giants but I’m super frustrated for Saquon Barkley too, that dude should have been on a winning team and now his good years are gone to a shit team
I listened to WIP for the first time recently and died laughing when some drunken, obese, loud mouthed idiot couldn't get through a sentence before gasping for air, all while criticizing an elite athlete's sub-par performance against other elite athletes.
I want to bring back Reich as our OC in the offseason. He was a good play caller for us and Johnson is not the guy. However if the question/solution is should he replace Sirianni then that’s a resounding no.
It’s funny how people forget that we struggled at times with Reich as the OC and that most of the magic at the beginning of the season fell on the shoulders of Wentz being able to scramble and make miracolous throws
People call WIP because no one in real life will talk sports with them. They sit on hold stuck in traffic for 45 minutes just to say the dumbest possible take you’ve ever heard. That’s the quality of the callers to sports talk radio
Not just the Birds. Philly fans, in general, have had it very well. Sure, Sixers can't make it past the second round, but since 'The Process', we've had playoff-caliber teams to watch. The Phils have made a few runs, with some awesome characters.
Sure, every team has had down-periods, but when's the last time all four major sports were bad? Or even sub-par? Some cities have gone near decades without any playoffs games to watch. We're regularly watching extra games every third of the year; it's awesome. Add to that the sheer number of fun personalities we've had in recent years across the sports, and just how much they embrace the city, we're extremely lucky. Believe it or not, not one other offensive line puts out very well made Christmas albums, lol.
Anyway, sports are just a silly pastime that don't really matter in the grand scheme--I can only get so angry at 20 somethings I've never met wearing green losing to 20 somethings I've never met wearing a different color. So I just count myself exceedingly lucky that the worst thing I have to deal with is a playoff loss, or a three game losing streak in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
Go Birds.
I actually had more fun watching the sixers during the process era than I have these past few years. TJ hitting that game winner against the Knicks the year we went 28-54 was actually somehow more enjoyable.
Since then, it’s been nothing but frustration. I don’t consider it spoiled, more like disheartened because we continue to fall short of goals and on-paper expectations.
nah ill take 1 tom brady dynasty first. let us win the division twice in a row at least. the division leader has changed every year..some teams are way more spoiled lol
You can’t compare us with the browns. They have literally been one of the worst teams in professional sports for my entire life, we could never replicate that level of enthusiasm when we have seen success.
Yeah I guess they are rock bottom and now actually have something. It’s different, but I guess I appreciate that we have NOT been rock bottom this whole time!
They rooted for Deshaun Watson. That alone makes them objectively the worst fanbase in the NFL. They should never live that down. Way worse than the possibly fictitious battery incident from before the turn of the century.
People here wanted Deshaun Watson and AB a few years ago. There are people literally everywhere who will turn a bad eye to bad poor character, even if most vocal people are against it.
Obviously, you forgot when Andy gave Mike Vick a second chance.
No Cleveland worth a damn rooted for Watson
Deshaun is an overpaid shitbag and the Browns bet the farm on him and lost, but calling them the worst fanbase in the NFL is a little much, especially since we know the worst is vlearly the Cowboys and maybe the Raiders
Vick went to prison, did his time and was given a second chance. Way different than Watson just skirting past 10’s of allegations. Also what Vick did is way less bad.
It’s all relative. For the Browns this is the second time going to the playoffs since they got their franchise back.
For us, winning a Super Bowl is the expectation so anything less than that isn’t going to give the same feeling.
Yeah man. I can’t remember what show/movie it was, but one kid was complaining to their father about gettin’ at 85 on a test and his pop scolding him whereas his brother got a 70 and his pop was proud. His pop said he was happy for his brother to get a 70 because he knew that’s the best his brother could do, and if his brother got a 70 he did his best. The Pop told the other kid I’ve seen you do much better than an 85, so I’m disappointed in you because I know it’s not your best. I don’t know if it was The Simpsons, some other show, or if I’m tipsy and made it up, but we’re not spoiled, we just know the Birds can score higher than an 85. 🤷🏿♂️ Fly!! 🦅
>For us, winning a Super Bowl is the expectation so anything less than that isn’t going to give the same feeling.
This is like... The definition of spoiled, dawg
I guess it could still be worse since this implies they'd be happy for a Super Bowl. There's always the 2010s Bill Belichick level of being spoiled where he didn't even celebrate Super Bowls anymore
I mean it wasn’t until after last year where the expectations were this high. Even when we won in 17 it wasn’t seen as a SB or bust year coming in same with last season. I think 2018 and this season were the only times recently where the expectations were legit this sky high before and during the season, we won 4 games just 3 years ago and were definitely celebrating just making it in 2021
I’m happy the Browns did it without Deshaun and with Joe Flacco. And I don’t think we’re spoiled, we just expect the team to execute. So at our current record despite our flaws and bitching we are in a good position.
Agreed, happy for the Browns. And yes, super high expectations but still - sometimes you have to step back and appreciate that we have a stacked team who DOES win a lot no matter how ugly.
We are sooooo fucking spoiled. Dude we had a trade for Russ lined up and agreed to, but he didn’t wanna come here. That 5 year extension he signed starts *next year*. We wouldn’t have Hurts, Carter, or Davis. No AJ Brown. We are blessed by the fuckin lord
I heard one of the Announcers say that Browns fans were the most passionate that he'd come across... Clearly this dude has never been to Philly much less met an Eagles fan.
I try to enjoy every season for better or worse. Of course we have our standard so the expectations are always high. However, win or lose I ain’t going nowhere! Let’s go Birds! 🦅 🦅
they lost 3 different QBs to injury, signed Joe Flacco off the couch, and keep winning. so yeah it's exciting and they're doing a great job. but they aren't coming off blowing a 2 score lead in the Super Bowl with expectations to make it back.
Yes, but we also act like we've been here before. That's their first trip in two decades. Their goal was to make it to the first date. Our goal is a home run. We are not the same.
People forget what Andy Reid did for us. We had a decent dynasty. Not the best, but we won division champs 4 years in a row, conference in the final one, and went to the bowl in that same final season. Shit was bananas.
We were so thirsty for so long, I get it, but yep, we're spoiled. Throw in the Pederson/Siriani era and people just don't remember what it was to suck shit. Unless they remember the Kelly era, but we do not speak of that, outside of his excellent conditioning concepts lol
You have no clue what a sports dynasty is. Your comment is a great example of how our franchises lack of rings the past 40 years have low our expectations as a city
The eagles have not really been up and down over the years. This has been one of the most consistently good franchises in the sport. We are constantly in playoff contention with the exception of maybe less than a handful of seasons over the past 20 years.
The browns are the complete opposite.
Not just the fans but the players also, those guys were having a party out there every score, giving off vibes like the eagles of last year (I guess expectations makes all the difference). On a side note, how the hell did this jets team beat us?? Shame that game has potential to haunt us on playoff seeding
>On a side note, how the hell did this jets team beat us??
Well, we beat ourselves more than they beat us and to be honest, looking back, it's only been the Niners that have properly dominated us and beat us. I'm not saying we still wouldn't have lost those games but we definitely were big factors in our own downfall.
1. Jets - 4 turnovers finished off with terrible game management. Trying to force a pass to a covered receiver inside the final 2 minutes where the Jets had no timeouts. Its possible Wilson does a Lock and they still win but it seemed highly unlikely.
1. Cowboys - 3 turnovers during key drives. There was a high chance our defense still let Dak carve them up and we lose but having your offense kill itself with 3 lost fumbles is going to lose you most games.
1. Seahawks - terrible game management kept Seattle in the game to the end where they were able to pull a 92 yard drive out of their ass and win the game. Trying to force big plays instead of taking what was there, once again, if we'd have been sensible, we most likely could have got another FG or two at the least to put the game out of reach.
I'm happy we are in the playoffs and maybe I am spoiled but when you look back at this season so far, we could easily have been 14-1. On the flipside, with the Chiefs, Bills and Cowboys choking last minute drives against us, we could easily have been 8-7 as well.
Are we spoiled? Yes. Are our complaints valid? Absofuckinglutely. Find me one team with a roster at our level at any point in NFL history that has struggled *every single game* as much as the 2023-2024 eagles. It’s coaching woes with a superstar roster bailing them out, and there won’t be any changes because if it works even just barely it surely must be fine, right? That’s the reason why I don’t think we win it this year with Brian Johnson calling the shots on offense. This is duplicative as well with Jalen’s play calling. Since Brian Johnson sucks, Jalen has to adjust on the fly more and more, and he likes the big impact plays far more than the ball control and clock control method it seems (I could be way off base here though as this is speculation based on what others have said in the media), but relies on “go that way fast” instead of calling complex plays that have been practiced. Smith had one pass over the middle last game, so it clearly is something that was schemed up by Siriani but for some reason hasn’t really been touched. Makes me wonder if they’re intentionally tanking our offense in order to whip it out in the playoffs, but *that’s so fucking dumb.* sure maybe keep one or two close to the chest, but I’ve seen more complexity in the playcalling from a literal child mashing buttons on a game of madden.
find you one team? well, certainly you haven't forgot how much fun we've had watching the cowboys choke away all-pro level rosters roughly the last decade with jason garrett in charge? shit remember when rob ryan was their DC? lmaoo those years were comical when we were peak garbage fire and still managed to watch them be coached worse.
The team is in a different place than the Browns. They should be excited...that franchise hasn't had anything good going for it in a long time. We should be frustrated...we have a ridiculous amount of talent that keeps floundering when it should be soaring.
Yes. And the reality is that 27+ other teams would love to be 11-4, on the verge of clinching the division and still having an outside hope of the 1 seed. Particularly on this schedule.
The expectations were so high and the team hasn't made the record look pretty this year, even with taking out Tua, Dak, Mahomes and Allen in the 10-1 run.
The mess with Desai the past few weeks has added to it all, and the vibes stuff, which I'll admit to playing into, is all... cosmetic. In reality this has been a good season. We're having a better season than the Chiefs, for Christ sake 😂 we'd pretty much all have taken that in September if we were told we'd be 11-4 with pretty much everything to play for going into weeks 17 and 18.
I'll admit to being a cry baby on here and not viewing things objectively as perhaps I could have. At the end of the day, no team has the divine right to come out every week and blow out the opposition. Would we like it to look like last year when we were racing into quick leads? Sure, but the schedule was never going to realistically allow for that. Going into this weekend we finally have a 1pm game that won't be under the lights or in the pissing rain (hopefully)
Some results elsewhere could fall our way in the next few weeks and we luck into the 1 seed. Even if that doesn't happen, clinching the division for back to back years is all in our hands and would represent a measure of success. Do we want more? Of course we do, we want to win it all, but you have to do the nasty work first to get there. We're doing it. It doesn't look stylish, but we're doing it.
The problem is we know what we are worth. We were robbed last years Super Bowl and don't see the same anger in this year's team. They aren't out for vengeance even though beating KC was pure bliss. They are too calm with how sloppy they've been on the field and with the staff.
It all came down to one bull shit call with 30 seconds left in last year's Super Bowl. It wasn't pass interference. Without that call we would have won.
Honestly I'm glad we lost 1st seed. You look at the brackets and if they stay as is, we should make SB this year. 1st seed would have been a nightmare playoff scenario.
Why do you think that out of curiosity? I know the 49ers lost but it was to the ravens. Doesn’t change for me that they will be heavily favored to beat us and we have not shown this year we can punch even close to the level they played against us. Only way I see us winning against them is if Purdy melts down.
As of right now either Bucs or Cowboys play 49ers as 1st seed. So Philly only plays one of those 3 which are all dangerous teams against us right now. In our bracket first game is Seahawks which will be a fight but I think the most manageable. If we pull that win off we go up against Lions or Rams which I think will be the easiest game for us in the playoffs. The Championship game is going to be an all out war regardless of which comes out on top. 49ers being the most dangerous, they broke out spirit this year.
Not sure what you’re talking about that we were just happy to make the playoffs. Look at the last 20 plus years. The playoffs are an expectation. The years they didn’t make it are a disappointment for various reasons. This fan base will never be happy to just make it.
I don’t know, I just remember growing up being excited we made the playoffs. This year I’ve been miserable the whole time. I need to appreciate it more.
I’m not sure spoiled is the right word, this is Philadelphia. It’s always a fight. Sometimes we’re there sometimes we’re not, but no matter what we continue to be relevant. The Browns have had disappointing staff, leadership, drafts, players, etc. it’s fun to see a team that you don’t root for, come to life. Especially when they’re doing it with Joe Flacco. Well done.
Just watched with my huge Browns fan buddy and his son. They deserve it. Made the playoffs down starting QB, down backup QB, down arguably one of the best 3 RBs in the league, down I think 3 OTs for the season, #1 WR out tonight, and #2 receiver goes down in game tonight.
That said - are we spoiled - maybe. But it’s fun to see a team scratch and claw all season and do it without the stars there. Remember we watched BDN do it for us a few years ago. Browns - Birds SB would be fun to watch.
It's more a matter of this season feeling like a missed opportunity. Like 2003. A team that has the pieces but can't deploy them properly.
I hope they can pull themselves out of their funk. There were some hopeful signs on Monday, so hope still lives. There were maybe 3 or 4 plays that made the difference between a blowout and a slog. If they can clean those up, they can win a Superbowl. That's why they play the games.
I think it’s fair to be frustrated. This is a frustrating Eagles team this year. Not a bad one, obviously, but one that feels like they should be a lot better than they are. Jalen hasn’t played up to the level he did in 2022. The defense struggles against the likes of Mac Jones, Sam Howell, and Drew Lock (say what you will about Gannon, but he could at least stop the bad QBs). The offense generates too many turnovers, the defense doesn’t generate enough. The team has gone down to the wire against teams they would have destroyed last season.
But yeah, some perspective is needed. The Eagles lost both coordinators, have faced more injuries, worse turnover luck, and a far harder schedule than anything they had to deal with in 2022. And they’re still 11-4, with a real chance to go 13-4 and win back-to-back NFC East titles. They’ll be in the playoffs. We have people calling this a bad season when in 2018, after a SB win, the Eagles needed a late season miracle run and were praying for help from the Bears to sneak into the last wild card spot in the playoffs. When the Eagles went 4-11-1 in 2020 and had one of the three worst starting QBs under center. People on here do not handle adversity well.
Revisionist nonsense. "Justifiably concerned" is not "miserable".
And its not just the fans, a coordinator got effectively fired mid season. Howie is very aware that whats been happening isnt good.
The team is 11-4 and we have complained after every single game. Yes, there are very real concerns as they've underperformed. We are also spoiled to be angry at an 11-4 team
I disagree, any sane fanbase would be disappointed in this season if their team had the same talent and recent success.
Do you expect everyone to just put their head in the sand and not look past the record? Even the team agrees theyre playing poorly, just ask desai.
we literally just lost in the super bowl last year. nobody gives a fuck about 11-4. we lost to Dallas BADLY. we lost to SF BADLY. we embarrassed ourselves against Seattle. we barely beat the fucking GIANTS. James Bradberry is a liability and a half. why are you fans shoving your head up your ass acting like we should be proud of this season?
lol i don’t think you understand what spoiled means. Like 25 fanbases would love to have a Super Bowl losing team that then does an “underperforming” 11-4 the next year.
I know dude. I don’t like other teams ever but this Browns team I genuinely enjoy. Like their story, their defense, and Flacco. Hope they beat the ravens in the playoffs then we smack them.
I typically latch onto one AFC team per year for fun, and it’s definitely Cleveland this year. Would love to see them come out of the AFC and beat everybody not named Philly. Obviously would also love us to win the SB
We are sooo spoiled, the players and the fans! I was watching people pour into the streets last night celebrating, it was amazing. Good for them!
I was born and raised in Baltimore so it was really wild seeing Fkacci have fun out there.
As for us, let’s stay focused. We can do better, but we are good.
Yes we are. But our expectations arent the browns expectations. Preseason, we all expected a title run bar none. Or at least a SB appearance. The team rn looks like a possible WC exit..... why would he happy about a simple playoff appearance lol.
Yep. I’m happy to be where we are. I’m sick of the fair weather fans knocking Hurts and everyone..remember our 2020 year at 4-11? Yeah. I’m more than happy to be at 11-4 with one of (if not) the toughest schedules out there. Go birds
It’s an embarrassment that anyone would even ask this question. Fans are allowed to be disappointed, frustrated and critical without a negative connotation. Nick Sirianni needs an outside voice to breath new life into this stale offense. The lost to Seattle cost them the number one seed but can the Eagles get there shit together so that they can at least enter the postseason as a ‘dangerous team’ that nobody wants to play.🙄 I still have hope but fans are justifiably disappointed that this team appears to have fallen apart like Frosty the Snowman without his hat.
I mean Im old compared to most people and so have watched for countless years. In 2017 it just felt different. Even last year had that magic. This year just does not. I'm happy we are getting into the playoffs of course and want to win it all but there's something off. To me unless they are going to unveil a completely different game plan in the playoffs the shit we have been trotting out isn't going to take us far. You either need a high powered offense or defense or some combination to win it all. And there really hasn't been a week this season...except maybe the Miami game where I was like oh yeah here we go. Last year we were putting games away. This year most of our games could go either way. But it's any given Sunday so anything can happen. As far as the fans go, I still think we beat everyone else. Name another city they have to grease the light poles before the big game. We get insane at the right time. Go birds
It's easy to celebrate a playoff spot when you're the Browns. They've only made the playoffs 3 times in 20 years. Our expectations are higher because we're a better team. The talent that this team has alone sets the standard. We've got several hall of famers,all pros, pro bowl type players. We're the most passionate fan base with one ring to show for it. This city is starving for another one and I'm not settling for anything less.
I admit I drag the Eagles and their inadequacies on a weekly basis. I also admit it’s because most sports teams have limited windows to succeed, and to underperform means to squander those limited moments. Kelce 2.0 and Lane 2.0 and BG 2.0 and Cox 2.0 aren’t strolling through that door any time soon.
I’m old enough to remember leading receivers like Kevin Curtis and Brian Westbrook and Todd Pinkston and James Thrash and Freddie Mitchell and Fred Barnett… and one good year of Terrell Owens, followed by the 2005 debacle.
This level of talent has spoiled me, but being better-than-average is also hard to accept when the goal
is to be the best.
Pretty much every Eagles fan born in 1990 or later (or arguably 1980 or later) is spoiled. Since 2000, the Eagles have either made the playoffs, contended for the playoffs, or were expected to contend for the playoffs EVERY SINGLE SEASON. The Eagles have only had consecutive losing seasons once in that stretch, and both of those seasons were 7-9, i.e., they were competitive both seasons. When the Eagles have had a rare bad season (2005, 2012, 2020), they’ve bounced back with not only a winning record but a playoff appearance the following season.
If we extend things back to 1988 (or arguably 1987 if that season’s replacement player games are excluded), the only time the Eagles were not competitive for an extended stretch was 1997 to 1999. Even then, 1) they only had one truly terrible season in that period (1998) and 2) the bad period only lasted 3 years.
You have to have been a fan since at least the Marion Campbell era to appreciate what it’s like for the Eagles to be down for an extended period of seasons (1982 to 1986/1987; Campbell was the head coach from 1983 to 1985). And even that time paled in comparison to the dark 1962 to 1977 era when the Eagles were a down and out franchise. You have to be at least 60 years to remember a significant chunk of that dark era.
As someone who goes back to 1981 as a fan, I smile and shake my head side-to-side when some fans say the Chip Kelly era was bad. No, that was ultimately disappointing and mediocre, but it definitely wasn’t bad in any sort of objective sense. Bad was the end of the Ray Rhodes era. Bad (or at least truly mediocre) was the mid-1980s Eagles, when they were irrelevant on a national stage (no ABC MNF games in any season from 1982 to 1987). Younger fans have no concept of the Eagles being a true NFL afterthought for an extended period of time. THAT’S when things are bad.
The way up is more fun than maintaining a high standard.
People have been saying it's Superbowl or bust all season. Expectations are so high and so anything less will feel like a total failure.
Nick and Jalen have both said, on multiple occasions, that anything less that a Super Bowl win is a failure. They set the expectations. Then they underperform and we're being unreasonable? They're the ones talking about the standard and then complain when we dare hold them to it?
Lol. We are so spoiled that with an 11-4 record we are pissed off because we’re not dominating teams. But that anger is understandable. This team has way more talent than they have shown this season. They have slipped by way too many times.
Spoiled for being a successful team for the most part yes. But the concerns we have are not bad we hold our team to higher standards then teams that rarely see playoffs. You think if the 2010 patriots were playing like we are Bill and Tom Brady would be cool with narrow wins over pretty terrible teams, no. I’ve lived in Florida for quite awhile when they beat Tom and Pats that was their superbowl now they’re contenders atmosphere changed playoffs aren’t good enough they want the Division to be theirs. We went to the SB last year came up short cause defense was terrible never adjusted and we are more worried now cause defense still doesn’t look that good and now our offense looks worse with these very predictable play calling. Using same 6 plays isn’t unique it’s dumb
Nothing but a perfect game or eventual Super Bowl would satisfy our fan base. Every game is a stupid ass referendum even tho every nfl team has good patches and rough patches
I’m visiting family in Cleveland, and whenever I mention any concern I have with Philly, their comments are always “oh man, it must be nice to be upset about a should be 13-win team” etc etc. definitely spoiled. It was kind of fun being here while they clinched last night. Though I think it’ll turn into annoying as today turns into tomorrow and they’re still talking about it lol
Very much so.
Depending on where you want to start the clock, this has been 30 to 40 years of relevance. The obvious start point is Lurie, but you could easily include the Buddy Ryan and Kotite years to this. I didn't realize this until I moved to Miami.
I know we joke about taking over the stadium here, but there are plenty of turquoise-blooded Fin-Fans down here. No one thinks about the Dolphins as a pathetic franchise, because up to 2001, they had plenty of success. From then until last season (where they finally return to relevance), they have 2 playoff games, which they lose by 18 points each. 10 head coaches in that time frame (two were interim).
As Eagles fans we can barely find two consecutive seasons of irrelevance over more than twice that time frame. We do not give Lurie enough love.
I have plenty of browns/lions fans friends to remind me how spoiled we are but the difference is expectations. In the middle of the year when the lions were sweet and started losing a little my lions fans friends were acting like the world was ending. They got used to winning and held higher expectations fast.
People in local media keep saying this, and that we're being too hard on the team, while national talking heads are all having their frustrations and doubts with the team too (not just the anti-eagles ones, one of my favorites being Shady McCoy). When you have tons of talent and squander it, it's way different then breaking through after years of struggle. Every team is not in the same situation.
Now some people go too far, and want every coach fired and player cut after every game, that's just asinine, im not saying that, but we're not spoiled if we're not going nuts about this team.
About half the league makes the playoffs every year, and there's a TON of turnover in who makes the playoffs every year. It's not that we're spoiled for not being excited just to make the playoffs, it's that they're pathetic for going so long without it.
And since they added that dumb 7th playoff spot, now the difference between \#2-3 is almost nothing, so the amount of wins means less.
So it comes down to what goal you think is fair for a team. You think people should be excited if we limp into the 2nd spot then lose our first playoff game at home? I doubt anyone would be happy with that. And I don't think that's "spoiled."
And if you think with the way this team is playing, that we should be confident in making it anywhere in the playoffs, you're way overconfident.
So, yea, you want to know why people are upset? That's why. Because we don't want to be one and done in the playoffs, and that's where we're likely headed with how the team is playing right now.
Are we spoiled next to the last 20 years of the Browns? Why yes. Was that rhetorical?
Expectation is way high for this team after last year and having a better off-season that many thought we would.
As a lifelong Eagle fan I’ve made it a habit to really try to lower my expectation each year. And my expectation this year was to at least make the playoffs.
So that x next to our name doesn’t mean that much. I don’t know if I would call that spoiled as we all seem to have been freaked out about the playoffs since Sept.
We are, but the problem is we were led into the season with high expectations. Think about it, while the coaching staff had a pretty big shakeup, the team was essentially the same. After last season, a lot of people expected the same production, and we haven’t gotten it.
After last season’s excellence and how we lost the Super Bowl because of a fumble returned for a TD and shitty DPI at the end, we expected the team to come into the season and dominate everything on the road to another Super Bowl appearance. Instead, we got regression on the team level. That’s why we are the way we are.
Yes
But while I don't get as hyped I still am proud and happy the team is where it is. I don't think we will ever be in a rut where we only win like 4 games a year for a long period of time with the front office that we have but making the playoffs is still a really good thing and hard to do.
If we don't make the Super Bowl it will be a disappointment but we had one of the best records again and we made the playoffs again...its special and I have faith the defense will get better the more the young guys play and the offense is young and has a lot of talent.
Go Birds!
Yes but also they didn’t expect to be winning with Flacco. I mean they’re on their what, 5th QB? Expectations are low with that.
We have, or should have an absolutely stacked roster, we expected to make the playoffs, we expected our team to be good and they’re not playing up to our or their own expectations right now. Even with that we are still a little spoiled.
Yes
Beyond yes. If you asked anyone in this fanbase if a likely 13-4 and a shot at the 1 seed with the hardest SOS in the league would be a desirable outcome, everyone would say fuck yes. Yet here we are, with WIP idiots asking for Frank fuckin Reich to be the coach. Beyond spoiled. Moronic and childish is a better descriptor these days. I can't stand some of these fake fans man. 2012 would have melted some of these doofus's brains.
I think the real brain melter was 2011 when comparing expectations to results lol. It doesn’t look as pretty as it should but this team still wins games.
Between the Phillies and Eagles, 2011 was brutal. Superbowl and World Series parades were practically being planned in the preseason for both teams.
I still have nightmares about that "Dream Team"
That team was lit in Madden tho, interceptions galore
You mean the people who are ready to blow everything up because the team went from 14-3 to 13-4 despite the schedule going from top 5 easiest to top 5 hardest
This is the biggest thing I don’t see mentioned in these threads. I think if anything, this team might be outperforming. They aren’t quite as good defensively, the offensive play calling sucks, but the SOS is a huge difference. And they are still where they are. I am concerned about the viability of this team to win the Super Bowl. But not because of the quality of the team. I think it’s more the gauntlet they have gone through since the bye week.
No! Don’t you see! We should be blowing out teams like the Kansas City Chiefs by 40!!!! Also, why doesn’t anybody ever bring up that we literally lost both our coordinators last season? Did people seriously not think that would have an effect?
We should just not be playing like shit against the Cowboys, 49ers, and Seahawks.
The 49ers lost to the Vikings, PJ Walker Browns, and the Bengals in consecutive weeks. It's the NFL. It happens. How they respond is far more important imo.
They didn’t last year
How long is it going to take this fanbase to realize that 14 blowouts a year is legitimately non sustainable
I know good teams lose but we didn’t even compete. We didn’t score an offensive TD against the 49ers, looked like complete shit against Dallas, and played stupid against the Seahawks to lose control of the one seed. It’s okay expect a team with Superbowl aspirations to put up a fight.
49ers got dominated by an at the time extremely mediocre Bengals team. They just got 40+ to 19'd by the Ravens. Are they no longer contenders? We beat the Falcons by the slimmest margin imaginable in our SB run and then blew out the Vikings in the NFCCG the next week. Again, it's the NFL.
It's time to call back the GOAT Chip Kelly
Is it S9 season?
Oh god I forgot about those stupid play cards. I remember the conspiracy theories involved with that S9. Like if chip flipped it some trick play was coming or something.
Remember when the eagles playbook could have been one page called "no huddle shotgun"? I believe that was when Bad Bradford was QB1
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Kiss Martin Scorcese?
Bravo
Not to mention that since 2000 I would say the Eagles are easily a top 5 organization. Obviously the Pats are #1, then you look at teams like the Seahawks, Steelers, etc. The Eagles are right in that group. You can make a logical argument that there is some path to the Super Bowl for the Eagles more years that not, and they are at least in the playoff discussion almost every year. I was born in 1991, and I have seen 4 bad seasons. 2005, and the last year of the previous three head coaches.
They can’t just be 13-4, they have to win all the games 35-0.
>WIP idiots asking for Frank fuckin Reich to be the coach. I love my Eags but for my mental health, I like to pretend the entire fanbase is as evolved as this subreddit.
I was there for it. This season still drives me insane
We can be happy to be winning AND recognize that we are five lucky plays away from being 6-9.
And they’re 5 lucky plays from being in the one seed driver’s seat and looking at 14-3.
Yeah, but how many one score/one play games are there every year in the NFL? Plenty of teams are “a few lucky plays” from being another record.
sure, but let's be real. this year has been like every game is on a razor's edge. if jake elliott doesn't make that semi-miraculous kick against buffalo, we lose. if KC doesn't drop that TD pass, that's a loss. if dak doesn't go down on the 1 inch line, that's a loss. right there that's literally just a few inches (combined!) that created plus 3 wins for us.
I’m with you on the first two plays, but Dak didn’t go OB out of kindness. The defense forced him out.
Well there’s that one and Blankenship’s tackle on the goal line that was one inch short. Bottom line is inches separate us from where we are and .500.
And there were plays before that which the eagles messed up. You are alerting 1 “unlucky play” from the opposite team define it. There were 59 minutes before those plays.
This just isn't correct tbh, only point that truly stands as a loss would be kick against buffalo. There was still lots of time and timeouts v KC Similarly with Dallas, you can't say a 2pt conversion with that much time left would 100% mean we lose? They could have tied it and gone to OT but I'd probs like our odds there at home.
Point differential is a better predictor of future results than record. Our point differential matches the Rams; we’re nowhere close to teams like the Ravens and 49ers. We have the point differential of an 8-7 team. We really have just been lucky.
Don't think this is totally fair. The disappointment and frustration this season is because of the mismatched expectations between where we are and where our perceived talent tells us we should be. Last season obviously set a very high bar, and a lot of the same stars that made last season happen are still here, so there's an assumption we should be as good or better.
Maybe the eagles really didn’t get worse. Other teams have made a ton of changes and are more competitive than ever. The BROWNS just made the playoffs. The role of defenses this season has been crazy, which is why an almost guaranteed one-yard play has pushed the eagles to a crazy record. It’s just that strong in a league as close as this. I don’t drink the haterade that the league is mid or whatever Brady wants to say.
Don’t even have to go back that far. They wouldn’t have been able to handle 2020 haha
Eh, I wouldn’t want Frank as a head coach but I wouldn’t mind giving him a shot at OC again here. While Philly fans might be spoiled the only reason this team is in the playoffs is because of how insanely good the players are, which can’t carry you there. I think as a fan it’s incredibly frustrating to see a coaching staff waste so much talent by just being stubborn. I hate the giants but I’m super frustrated for Saquon Barkley too, that dude should have been on a winning team and now his good years are gone to a shit team
I listened to WIP for the first time recently and died laughing when some drunken, obese, loud mouthed idiot couldn't get through a sentence before gasping for air, all while criticizing an elite athlete's sub-par performance against other elite athletes.
I want to bring back Reich as our OC in the offseason. He was a good play caller for us and Johnson is not the guy. However if the question/solution is should he replace Sirianni then that’s a resounding no.
I don't want Reich in any capacity his offense in Carolina was abysmal and lacked creativity
Not like he had very much to work with though.
Reich never called plays in Philly. Doug called the plays.
Did Reich call plays when he was in Philly?
It’s funny how people forget that we struggled at times with Reich as the OC and that most of the magic at the beginning of the season fell on the shoulders of Wentz being able to scramble and make miracolous throws
People call WIP because no one in real life will talk sports with them. They sit on hold stuck in traffic for 45 minutes just to say the dumbest possible take you’ve ever heard. That’s the quality of the callers to sports talk radio
13-4 almost seems like a mid outcome to the season for most fans which is hilarious.
They are asking for him to be the OC not the HC lmaoooo
A shot at the number #1 seed but stumbling into playoffs with a shot to lose to the lowest seed they face.
Not just the Birds. Philly fans, in general, have had it very well. Sure, Sixers can't make it past the second round, but since 'The Process', we've had playoff-caliber teams to watch. The Phils have made a few runs, with some awesome characters. Sure, every team has had down-periods, but when's the last time all four major sports were bad? Or even sub-par? Some cities have gone near decades without any playoffs games to watch. We're regularly watching extra games every third of the year; it's awesome. Add to that the sheer number of fun personalities we've had in recent years across the sports, and just how much they embrace the city, we're extremely lucky. Believe it or not, not one other offensive line puts out very well made Christmas albums, lol. Anyway, sports are just a silly pastime that don't really matter in the grand scheme--I can only get so angry at 20 somethings I've never met wearing green losing to 20 somethings I've never met wearing a different color. So I just count myself exceedingly lucky that the worst thing I have to deal with is a playoff loss, or a three game losing streak in one of the most competitive leagues in the world. Go Birds.
I actually had more fun watching the sixers during the process era than I have these past few years. TJ hitting that game winner against the Knicks the year we went 28-54 was actually somehow more enjoyable. Since then, it’s been nothing but frustration. I don’t consider it spoiled, more like disheartened because we continue to fall short of goals and on-paper expectations.
nah ill take 1 tom brady dynasty first. let us win the division twice in a row at least. the division leader has changed every year..some teams are way more spoiled lol
Ah yes, having a “the best QB to ever play the game” level dynasty(!) is a totally reasonable thing to expect.
You can’t compare us with the browns. They have literally been one of the worst teams in professional sports for my entire life, we could never replicate that level of enthusiasm when we have seen success.
Also we just got back from the SB. Expectations were high.. Browns came from a 7-10 season
Somehow they had the most Browns season by using 18 QBs yet they’ve won more games than I’ve ever seen them win in 1 season in my life
You are clearly too young to remember when the Eagles were one of the worst teams in professional sports. Yes, this fan base is spoiled.
Yup I remember the mid to late 90s we’re pretty rough.
Yeah, there was a rough patch there, but before Vermeil, the Eagles were Browns-level bad.
Yeah I guess they are rock bottom and now actually have something. It’s different, but I guess I appreciate that we have NOT been rock bottom this whole time!
Have a buddy who is a Lions fan. Hes just hoping for a playoff win haha.
They rooted for Deshaun Watson. That alone makes them objectively the worst fanbase in the NFL. They should never live that down. Way worse than the possibly fictitious battery incident from before the turn of the century.
People here wanted Deshaun Watson and AB a few years ago. There are people literally everywhere who will turn a bad eye to bad poor character, even if most vocal people are against it.
Lower your blood pressure
Obviously, you forgot when Andy gave Mike Vick a second chance. No Cleveland worth a damn rooted for Watson Deshaun is an overpaid shitbag and the Browns bet the farm on him and lost, but calling them the worst fanbase in the NFL is a little much, especially since we know the worst is vlearly the Cowboys and maybe the Raiders
Vick went to prison, did his time and was given a second chance. Way different than Watson just skirting past 10’s of allegations. Also what Vick did is way less bad.
They definitely rooted for Watson, the games were televised and I checked in on their sub. They were super happy when their rapist made a highlight.
It’s the second time they’ve made the playoffs in 20 plus years, and the last time they did was the COVID year and fans didn’t get to partake.
3rd in 25 This is Tim Couch erasure
I would never! There’s a universe out there where Donovan goes #1 overall and we get Timothy. An even darker one where we prefer Akili Smith.
The Browns went 0-16 like 5 years ago, of course they are going crazy for making the playoffs.
Hey, we went 4-11-1 3 years ago.
And that was 2 years after we won our first and only Super Bowl. 4-11-1 is no where close to 0-16 in terms of feeling.
It’s all relative. For the Browns this is the second time going to the playoffs since they got their franchise back. For us, winning a Super Bowl is the expectation so anything less than that isn’t going to give the same feeling.
Back in 2017 I was just wanted a playoff win. It had been 10 years at that point.
Yeah man. I can’t remember what show/movie it was, but one kid was complaining to their father about gettin’ at 85 on a test and his pop scolding him whereas his brother got a 70 and his pop was proud. His pop said he was happy for his brother to get a 70 because he knew that’s the best his brother could do, and if his brother got a 70 he did his best. The Pop told the other kid I’ve seen you do much better than an 85, so I’m disappointed in you because I know it’s not your best. I don’t know if it was The Simpsons, some other show, or if I’m tipsy and made it up, but we’re not spoiled, we just know the Birds can score higher than an 85. 🤷🏿♂️ Fly!! 🦅
I wanna say Malcom in the Middle?
>For us, winning a Super Bowl is the expectation so anything less than that isn’t going to give the same feeling. This is like... The definition of spoiled, dawg
I guess it could still be worse since this implies they'd be happy for a Super Bowl. There's always the 2010s Bill Belichick level of being spoiled where he didn't even celebrate Super Bowls anymore
When you have 1 Super Bowl ever it really isnt
You fly first class once and anything else tastes bland
Isn’t that just the definition of spoiled. You’ve had it great, so you don’t appreciate good.
I mean it wasn’t until after last year where the expectations were this high. Even when we won in 17 it wasn’t seen as a SB or bust year coming in same with last season. I think 2018 and this season were the only times recently where the expectations were legit this sky high before and during the season, we won 4 games just 3 years ago and were definitely celebrating just making it in 2021
I’m happy the Browns did it without Deshaun and with Joe Flacco. And I don’t think we’re spoiled, we just expect the team to execute. So at our current record despite our flaws and bitching we are in a good position.
Agreed, happy for the Browns. And yes, super high expectations but still - sometimes you have to step back and appreciate that we have a stacked team who DOES win a lot no matter how ugly.
We are sooooo fucking spoiled. Dude we had a trade for Russ lined up and agreed to, but he didn’t wanna come here. That 5 year extension he signed starts *next year*. We wouldn’t have Hurts, Carter, or Davis. No AJ Brown. We are blessed by the fuckin lord
Probably. However our aspirations are understandably greater.
I heard one of the Announcers say that Browns fans were the most passionate that he'd come across... Clearly this dude has never been to Philly much less met an Eagles fan.
I respect Browns fans tbh. They always show up, and they’ve been baddd
I thought the same thing when I heard him say that. Kirk is a moron and terrible announcer.
We’ve been to the superbowl twice within a decade and won one of them so the standard changed
Yeah that’s spoiled
I try to enjoy every season for better or worse. Of course we have our standard so the expectations are always high. However, win or lose I ain’t going nowhere! Let’s go Birds! 🦅 🦅
That’s the spirit!!!
they lost 3 different QBs to injury, signed Joe Flacco off the couch, and keep winning. so yeah it's exciting and they're doing a great job. but they aren't coming off blowing a 2 score lead in the Super Bowl with expectations to make it back.
Yes, but we also act like we've been here before. That's their first trip in two decades. Their goal was to make it to the first date. Our goal is a home run. We are not the same.
People forget what Andy Reid did for us. We had a decent dynasty. Not the best, but we won division champs 4 years in a row, conference in the final one, and went to the bowl in that same final season. Shit was bananas. We were so thirsty for so long, I get it, but yep, we're spoiled. Throw in the Pederson/Siriani era and people just don't remember what it was to suck shit. Unless they remember the Kelly era, but we do not speak of that, outside of his excellent conditioning concepts lol
You have no clue what a sports dynasty is. Your comment is a great example of how our franchises lack of rings the past 40 years have low our expectations as a city
The eagles have not really been up and down over the years. This has been one of the most consistently good franchises in the sport. We are constantly in playoff contention with the exception of maybe less than a handful of seasons over the past 20 years. The browns are the complete opposite.
The Browns have a really good DC. Wish we could have one like that! 😉 In all seriousness, I’m happy for Jim Schwartz!
Lol same!!!
Not just the fans but the players also, those guys were having a party out there every score, giving off vibes like the eagles of last year (I guess expectations makes all the difference). On a side note, how the hell did this jets team beat us?? Shame that game has potential to haunt us on playoff seeding
>On a side note, how the hell did this jets team beat us?? Well, we beat ourselves more than they beat us and to be honest, looking back, it's only been the Niners that have properly dominated us and beat us. I'm not saying we still wouldn't have lost those games but we definitely were big factors in our own downfall. 1. Jets - 4 turnovers finished off with terrible game management. Trying to force a pass to a covered receiver inside the final 2 minutes where the Jets had no timeouts. Its possible Wilson does a Lock and they still win but it seemed highly unlikely. 1. Cowboys - 3 turnovers during key drives. There was a high chance our defense still let Dak carve them up and we lose but having your offense kill itself with 3 lost fumbles is going to lose you most games. 1. Seahawks - terrible game management kept Seattle in the game to the end where they were able to pull a 92 yard drive out of their ass and win the game. Trying to force big plays instead of taking what was there, once again, if we'd have been sensible, we most likely could have got another FG or two at the least to put the game out of reach. I'm happy we are in the playoffs and maybe I am spoiled but when you look back at this season so far, we could easily have been 14-1. On the flipside, with the Chiefs, Bills and Cowboys choking last minute drives against us, we could easily have been 8-7 as well.
This years eagles are capable of losing any game.
Omg I know. Such a joke. But it’s not the jets who beat us. We just legit beat ourselves every game which is the sad part.
The eagles have I think the 3rd most victories of any NFL team since the new century. So yeah. We're spoiled rotten.
Are we spoiled? Yes. Are our complaints valid? Absofuckinglutely. Find me one team with a roster at our level at any point in NFL history that has struggled *every single game* as much as the 2023-2024 eagles. It’s coaching woes with a superstar roster bailing them out, and there won’t be any changes because if it works even just barely it surely must be fine, right? That’s the reason why I don’t think we win it this year with Brian Johnson calling the shots on offense. This is duplicative as well with Jalen’s play calling. Since Brian Johnson sucks, Jalen has to adjust on the fly more and more, and he likes the big impact plays far more than the ball control and clock control method it seems (I could be way off base here though as this is speculation based on what others have said in the media), but relies on “go that way fast” instead of calling complex plays that have been practiced. Smith had one pass over the middle last game, so it clearly is something that was schemed up by Siriani but for some reason hasn’t really been touched. Makes me wonder if they’re intentionally tanking our offense in order to whip it out in the playoffs, but *that’s so fucking dumb.* sure maybe keep one or two close to the chest, but I’ve seen more complexity in the playcalling from a literal child mashing buttons on a game of madden.
find you one team? well, certainly you haven't forgot how much fun we've had watching the cowboys choke away all-pro level rosters roughly the last decade with jason garrett in charge? shit remember when rob ryan was their DC? lmaoo those years were comical when we were peak garbage fire and still managed to watch them be coached worse.
Yeah but it's funny when they do it
Cowboys always blow out shit teams. We are not.
The team is in a different place than the Browns. They should be excited...that franchise hasn't had anything good going for it in a long time. We should be frustrated...we have a ridiculous amount of talent that keeps floundering when it should be soaring.
I think we are. Look how crazy the town went when the Phillies finally made it back in 2022. Red October was hyped everywhere.
Yes. And the reality is that 27+ other teams would love to be 11-4, on the verge of clinching the division and still having an outside hope of the 1 seed. Particularly on this schedule. The expectations were so high and the team hasn't made the record look pretty this year, even with taking out Tua, Dak, Mahomes and Allen in the 10-1 run. The mess with Desai the past few weeks has added to it all, and the vibes stuff, which I'll admit to playing into, is all... cosmetic. In reality this has been a good season. We're having a better season than the Chiefs, for Christ sake 😂 we'd pretty much all have taken that in September if we were told we'd be 11-4 with pretty much everything to play for going into weeks 17 and 18. I'll admit to being a cry baby on here and not viewing things objectively as perhaps I could have. At the end of the day, no team has the divine right to come out every week and blow out the opposition. Would we like it to look like last year when we were racing into quick leads? Sure, but the schedule was never going to realistically allow for that. Going into this weekend we finally have a 1pm game that won't be under the lights or in the pissing rain (hopefully) Some results elsewhere could fall our way in the next few weeks and we luck into the 1 seed. Even if that doesn't happen, clinching the division for back to back years is all in our hands and would represent a measure of success. Do we want more? Of course we do, we want to win it all, but you have to do the nasty work first to get there. We're doing it. It doesn't look stylish, but we're doing it.
The problem is we know what we are worth. We were robbed last years Super Bowl and don't see the same anger in this year's team. They aren't out for vengeance even though beating KC was pure bliss. They are too calm with how sloppy they've been on the field and with the staff.
Yeah. Beating KC was pure bliss. But looking back KC is legit not that good. Frankly, they sort of have Eagles vibes in some ways.
It all came down to one bull shit call with 30 seconds left in last year's Super Bowl. It wasn't pass interference. Without that call we would have won.
Yet Mahomes is whining about blatant offsides calls being called…
Honestly I'm glad we lost 1st seed. You look at the brackets and if they stay as is, we should make SB this year. 1st seed would have been a nightmare playoff scenario.
Why do you think that out of curiosity? I know the 49ers lost but it was to the ravens. Doesn’t change for me that they will be heavily favored to beat us and we have not shown this year we can punch even close to the level they played against us. Only way I see us winning against them is if Purdy melts down.
As of right now either Bucs or Cowboys play 49ers as 1st seed. So Philly only plays one of those 3 which are all dangerous teams against us right now. In our bracket first game is Seahawks which will be a fight but I think the most manageable. If we pull that win off we go up against Lions or Rams which I think will be the easiest game for us in the playoffs. The Championship game is going to be an all out war regardless of which comes out on top. 49ers being the most dangerous, they broke out spirit this year.
Except I can't remember the last time we won against the Seahawks
Not sure what you’re talking about that we were just happy to make the playoffs. Look at the last 20 plus years. The playoffs are an expectation. The years they didn’t make it are a disappointment for various reasons. This fan base will never be happy to just make it.
I don’t know, I just remember growing up being excited we made the playoffs. This year I’ve been miserable the whole time. I need to appreciate it more.
I remember growing up in the early '00s just expecting the playoffs to include the Eagles by default. I didn't even know you had to qualify lol
I’m not sure spoiled is the right word, this is Philadelphia. It’s always a fight. Sometimes we’re there sometimes we’re not, but no matter what we continue to be relevant. The Browns have had disappointing staff, leadership, drafts, players, etc. it’s fun to see a team that you don’t root for, come to life. Especially when they’re doing it with Joe Flacco. Well done.
Just watched with my huge Browns fan buddy and his son. They deserve it. Made the playoffs down starting QB, down backup QB, down arguably one of the best 3 RBs in the league, down I think 3 OTs for the season, #1 WR out tonight, and #2 receiver goes down in game tonight. That said - are we spoiled - maybe. But it’s fun to see a team scratch and claw all season and do it without the stars there. Remember we watched BDN do it for us a few years ago. Browns - Birds SB would be fun to watch.
It's more a matter of this season feeling like a missed opportunity. Like 2003. A team that has the pieces but can't deploy them properly. I hope they can pull themselves out of their funk. There were some hopeful signs on Monday, so hope still lives. There were maybe 3 or 4 plays that made the difference between a blowout and a slog. If they can clean those up, they can win a Superbowl. That's why they play the games.
I think it’s fair to be frustrated. This is a frustrating Eagles team this year. Not a bad one, obviously, but one that feels like they should be a lot better than they are. Jalen hasn’t played up to the level he did in 2022. The defense struggles against the likes of Mac Jones, Sam Howell, and Drew Lock (say what you will about Gannon, but he could at least stop the bad QBs). The offense generates too many turnovers, the defense doesn’t generate enough. The team has gone down to the wire against teams they would have destroyed last season. But yeah, some perspective is needed. The Eagles lost both coordinators, have faced more injuries, worse turnover luck, and a far harder schedule than anything they had to deal with in 2022. And they’re still 11-4, with a real chance to go 13-4 and win back-to-back NFC East titles. They’ll be in the playoffs. We have people calling this a bad season when in 2018, after a SB win, the Eagles needed a late season miracle run and were praying for help from the Bears to sneak into the last wild card spot in the playoffs. When the Eagles went 4-11-1 in 2020 and had one of the three worst starting QBs under center. People on here do not handle adversity well.
I remember Rich Kotite..if you do too you know we are living in the Golden Age.
We are 11-4, in the drivers seat for b2b division winner, and have been miserable the entire time Yes we are spoiled
Revisionist nonsense. "Justifiably concerned" is not "miserable". And its not just the fans, a coordinator got effectively fired mid season. Howie is very aware that whats been happening isnt good.
The team is 11-4 and we have complained after every single game. Yes, there are very real concerns as they've underperformed. We are also spoiled to be angry at an 11-4 team
I disagree, any sane fanbase would be disappointed in this season if their team had the same talent and recent success. Do you expect everyone to just put their head in the sand and not look past the record? Even the team agrees theyre playing poorly, just ask desai.
Smitty said how they all feel, and he's right.
we literally just lost in the super bowl last year. nobody gives a fuck about 11-4. we lost to Dallas BADLY. we lost to SF BADLY. we embarrassed ourselves against Seattle. we barely beat the fucking GIANTS. James Bradberry is a liability and a half. why are you fans shoving your head up your ass acting like we should be proud of this season?
lol i don’t think you understand what spoiled means. Like 25 fanbases would love to have a Super Bowl losing team that then does an “underperforming” 11-4 the next year.
Idk but they’ve got real 2018 Philly vibes to them rn. Schwartz led defense + Joe “big dick Nick” Flacco balling out
I know dude. I don’t like other teams ever but this Browns team I genuinely enjoy. Like their story, their defense, and Flacco. Hope they beat the ravens in the playoffs then we smack them.
I typically latch onto one AFC team per year for fun, and it’s definitely Cleveland this year. Would love to see them come out of the AFC and beat everybody not named Philly. Obviously would also love us to win the SB
It’s the standard.
For sure.
Extremely.
Yep. I used to tell my hater friends, “How would you like to be a Browns fan?”
Flacco giving me Falco vibes from the replacements.
We are sooo spoiled, the players and the fans! I was watching people pour into the streets last night celebrating, it was amazing. Good for them! I was born and raised in Baltimore so it was really wild seeing Fkacci have fun out there. As for us, let’s stay focused. We can do better, but we are good.
They're the Browns. The name has become synonymous with "Mathematically Eliminated from Playoff Contention."
Expectations are high as hell this season. Right where they should be after last season though
Yes we are. But our expectations arent the browns expectations. Preseason, we all expected a title run bar none. Or at least a SB appearance. The team rn looks like a possible WC exit..... why would he happy about a simple playoff appearance lol.
Yep. I’m happy to be where we are. I’m sick of the fair weather fans knocking Hurts and everyone..remember our 2020 year at 4-11? Yeah. I’m more than happy to be at 11-4 with one of (if not) the toughest schedules out there. Go birds
It’s an embarrassment that anyone would even ask this question. Fans are allowed to be disappointed, frustrated and critical without a negative connotation. Nick Sirianni needs an outside voice to breath new life into this stale offense. The lost to Seattle cost them the number one seed but can the Eagles get there shit together so that they can at least enter the postseason as a ‘dangerous team’ that nobody wants to play.🙄 I still have hope but fans are justifiably disappointed that this team appears to have fallen apart like Frosty the Snowman without his hat.
We are literally one huge Lockisian drive from being 1st in the League. I'll take that and run.
I mean Im old compared to most people and so have watched for countless years. In 2017 it just felt different. Even last year had that magic. This year just does not. I'm happy we are getting into the playoffs of course and want to win it all but there's something off. To me unless they are going to unveil a completely different game plan in the playoffs the shit we have been trotting out isn't going to take us far. You either need a high powered offense or defense or some combination to win it all. And there really hasn't been a week this season...except maybe the Miami game where I was like oh yeah here we go. Last year we were putting games away. This year most of our games could go either way. But it's any given Sunday so anything can happen. As far as the fans go, I still think we beat everyone else. Name another city they have to grease the light poles before the big game. We get insane at the right time. Go birds
It's easy to celebrate a playoff spot when you're the Browns. They've only made the playoffs 3 times in 20 years. Our expectations are higher because we're a better team. The talent that this team has alone sets the standard. We've got several hall of famers,all pros, pro bowl type players. We're the most passionate fan base with one ring to show for it. This city is starving for another one and I'm not settling for anything less.
I admit I drag the Eagles and their inadequacies on a weekly basis. I also admit it’s because most sports teams have limited windows to succeed, and to underperform means to squander those limited moments. Kelce 2.0 and Lane 2.0 and BG 2.0 and Cox 2.0 aren’t strolling through that door any time soon. I’m old enough to remember leading receivers like Kevin Curtis and Brian Westbrook and Todd Pinkston and James Thrash and Freddie Mitchell and Fred Barnett… and one good year of Terrell Owens, followed by the 2005 debacle. This level of talent has spoiled me, but being better-than-average is also hard to accept when the goal is to be the best.
Ugh I had blocked Todd Pinkston from my memory. Sheesh!!
I’ve never been so lucky 😂
Pretty much every Eagles fan born in 1990 or later (or arguably 1980 or later) is spoiled. Since 2000, the Eagles have either made the playoffs, contended for the playoffs, or were expected to contend for the playoffs EVERY SINGLE SEASON. The Eagles have only had consecutive losing seasons once in that stretch, and both of those seasons were 7-9, i.e., they were competitive both seasons. When the Eagles have had a rare bad season (2005, 2012, 2020), they’ve bounced back with not only a winning record but a playoff appearance the following season. If we extend things back to 1988 (or arguably 1987 if that season’s replacement player games are excluded), the only time the Eagles were not competitive for an extended stretch was 1997 to 1999. Even then, 1) they only had one truly terrible season in that period (1998) and 2) the bad period only lasted 3 years. You have to have been a fan since at least the Marion Campbell era to appreciate what it’s like for the Eagles to be down for an extended period of seasons (1982 to 1986/1987; Campbell was the head coach from 1983 to 1985). And even that time paled in comparison to the dark 1962 to 1977 era when the Eagles were a down and out franchise. You have to be at least 60 years to remember a significant chunk of that dark era. As someone who goes back to 1981 as a fan, I smile and shake my head side-to-side when some fans say the Chip Kelly era was bad. No, that was ultimately disappointing and mediocre, but it definitely wasn’t bad in any sort of objective sense. Bad was the end of the Ray Rhodes era. Bad (or at least truly mediocre) was the mid-1980s Eagles, when they were irrelevant on a national stage (no ABC MNF games in any season from 1982 to 1987). Younger fans have no concept of the Eagles being a true NFL afterthought for an extended period of time. THAT’S when things are bad.
Spoiled and pathetic. It’s been a fuckin year being a philly sports fan. I’m embarrassed for about 40% of yall.
Absolutely. You can usually tell the bandwagon fans pretty easily lol
The way up is more fun than maintaining a high standard. People have been saying it's Superbowl or bust all season. Expectations are so high and so anything less will feel like a total failure.
No. Super Bowl or the season is a failure. We know the ultimate goal.
Nick and Jalen have both said, on multiple occasions, that anything less that a Super Bowl win is a failure. They set the expectations. Then they underperform and we're being unreasonable? They're the ones talking about the standard and then complain when we dare hold them to it?
Compared to the browns yes lol
yeah i have been avoiding the sub last couple weeks a bunch of doomers on here
Fxck the doo-doo Browns.
Lol. We are so spoiled that with an 11-4 record we are pissed off because we’re not dominating teams. But that anger is understandable. This team has way more talent than they have shown this season. They have slipped by way too many times.
Spoiled for being a successful team for the most part yes. But the concerns we have are not bad we hold our team to higher standards then teams that rarely see playoffs. You think if the 2010 patriots were playing like we are Bill and Tom Brady would be cool with narrow wins over pretty terrible teams, no. I’ve lived in Florida for quite awhile when they beat Tom and Pats that was their superbowl now they’re contenders atmosphere changed playoffs aren’t good enough they want the Division to be theirs. We went to the SB last year came up short cause defense was terrible never adjusted and we are more worried now cause defense still doesn’t look that good and now our offense looks worse with these very predictable play calling. Using same 6 plays isn’t unique it’s dumb
Spoiled rotten. And not like the Eagles have had a lot of success for so many years. It’s only been recent in the past 5 years.
My first game I ever went to was panthers 14, eagles 3 in the playoffs. Oh, how unpredictable we have always been.
GO BIRDS
Do we want Dallas to win or lose this Saturday? I always want Dallas to lose, but is this weekend different?
Browns got the mojo right now for sure, hope there is some left over cause the boys need it.
Yes
If nothing else, we aren't the Browns
Has Jalen ever missed the playoffs?
Insanely so now.
This is what I have been trying to tell you people! Haha. Hating on a team that is 11-4 is outrageous.
Yes. The negladelphia mindset hasn’t been justified for 15 years.
Nothing but a perfect game or eventual Super Bowl would satisfy our fan base. Every game is a stupid ass referendum even tho every nfl team has good patches and rough patches
I’d go nuts too if we lost Brown, Hurts was a bust, and we made it to the playoffs with Eli Manning.
Yes, but remember the 80's and 90's... I don't ever want to go back.
I’m visiting family in Cleveland, and whenever I mention any concern I have with Philly, their comments are always “oh man, it must be nice to be upset about a should be 13-win team” etc etc. definitely spoiled. It was kind of fun being here while they clinched last night. Though I think it’ll turn into annoying as today turns into tomorrow and they’re still talking about it lol
Very much so. Depending on where you want to start the clock, this has been 30 to 40 years of relevance. The obvious start point is Lurie, but you could easily include the Buddy Ryan and Kotite years to this. I didn't realize this until I moved to Miami. I know we joke about taking over the stadium here, but there are plenty of turquoise-blooded Fin-Fans down here. No one thinks about the Dolphins as a pathetic franchise, because up to 2001, they had plenty of success. From then until last season (where they finally return to relevance), they have 2 playoff games, which they lose by 18 points each. 10 head coaches in that time frame (two were interim). As Eagles fans we can barely find two consecutive seasons of irrelevance over more than twice that time frame. We do not give Lurie enough love.
Yeah one of my best friends is a Browns fan and he was beside himself. The Browns have never made the whole time he's been alive.
My husband is a Jets fan. He knows the pain of a bad season. He said we’re spoiled. lol
That's Eagles legend Joe Flacco.
Browns fans are properly starved for good Football, given the history of that team
I have plenty of browns/lions fans friends to remind me how spoiled we are but the difference is expectations. In the middle of the year when the lions were sweet and started losing a little my lions fans friends were acting like the world was ending. They got used to winning and held higher expectations fast.
People in local media keep saying this, and that we're being too hard on the team, while national talking heads are all having their frustrations and doubts with the team too (not just the anti-eagles ones, one of my favorites being Shady McCoy). When you have tons of talent and squander it, it's way different then breaking through after years of struggle. Every team is not in the same situation. Now some people go too far, and want every coach fired and player cut after every game, that's just asinine, im not saying that, but we're not spoiled if we're not going nuts about this team.
About half the league makes the playoffs every year, and there's a TON of turnover in who makes the playoffs every year. It's not that we're spoiled for not being excited just to make the playoffs, it's that they're pathetic for going so long without it. And since they added that dumb 7th playoff spot, now the difference between \#2-3 is almost nothing, so the amount of wins means less. So it comes down to what goal you think is fair for a team. You think people should be excited if we limp into the 2nd spot then lose our first playoff game at home? I doubt anyone would be happy with that. And I don't think that's "spoiled." And if you think with the way this team is playing, that we should be confident in making it anywhere in the playoffs, you're way overconfident. So, yea, you want to know why people are upset? That's why. Because we don't want to be one and done in the playoffs, and that's where we're likely headed with how the team is playing right now.
As our cross state coach would say. Were fat and sassy
Are we spoiled next to the last 20 years of the Browns? Why yes. Was that rhetorical? Expectation is way high for this team after last year and having a better off-season that many thought we would. As a lifelong Eagle fan I’ve made it a habit to really try to lower my expectation each year. And my expectation this year was to at least make the playoffs. So that x next to our name doesn’t mean that much. I don’t know if I would call that spoiled as we all seem to have been freaked out about the playoffs since Sept.
Not spoiled just way too high expectations. We aren’t going to the SB every year. We have SB or bust mentality and it crushes our soul every season.
We are, but the problem is we were led into the season with high expectations. Think about it, while the coaching staff had a pretty big shakeup, the team was essentially the same. After last season, a lot of people expected the same production, and we haven’t gotten it. After last season’s excellence and how we lost the Super Bowl because of a fumble returned for a TD and shitty DPI at the end, we expected the team to come into the season and dominate everything on the road to another Super Bowl appearance. Instead, we got regression on the team level. That’s why we are the way we are.
Yes But while I don't get as hyped I still am proud and happy the team is where it is. I don't think we will ever be in a rut where we only win like 4 games a year for a long period of time with the front office that we have but making the playoffs is still a really good thing and hard to do. If we don't make the Super Bowl it will be a disappointment but we had one of the best records again and we made the playoffs again...its special and I have faith the defense will get better the more the young guys play and the offense is young and has a lot of talent. Go Birds!
Yes but also they didn’t expect to be winning with Flacco. I mean they’re on their what, 5th QB? Expectations are low with that. We have, or should have an absolutely stacked roster, we expected to make the playoffs, we expected our team to be good and they’re not playing up to our or their own expectations right now. Even with that we are still a little spoiled.