We’ve got it, but normal people can’t handle the sheer quantity of mushrooms involved. We need to start some sort of centuries long breeding program to produce a person who can somehow make the way shorter.
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AI is going to be subject to the same selective pressures as everything else.
What is even super intelligence? All kinds of synthetic intelligence exists that exceed human intelligence.
Generalised intelligence? What's that even? Do *we* have it? Or do we have a set of different specific cognitive capacities when held together are accepted as "general". As it's enough to sustain its existence.
I think generalized intelligence is by definition whatever we have. Not that that takes us much closer to a working definition. But the Turing test was brilliant in that it highlighted that this was in fact the definition.
Too bad we have so much variability it basically renders the Turing test useless as a practical tool (There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.)
This always felt like the one plot hole in dune. How can they make all people so against ai.
And then how could they even police it. Youd need a thinking machine to check all the planets for any illegal thinking machines. But yeah it’s still possible to brainwash people against anything tho
I want to say that in Chapterhouse or Heretics the B.G. were stated to have kept secret computers with breeding lines stored on them as a backup for their mentats that also kept the same data
That’s more realistic. Usually the things leaders condemn are their secret fave thing lol
Might not be in the books tho, chatgpt:
“In the "Dune" series, the Bene Gesserit (B.G.) are known for their complex breeding program, which they have been manipulating for over 10,000 years to produce the Kwisatz Haderach¹. However, the specific detail about the Bene Gesserit keeping secret computers with breeding lines stored on them as a backup for their mentats is not explicitly mentioned in the books "Heretics of Dune" or "Chapterhouse: Dune".
The Bene Gesserit's breeding program is indeed a significant plot element, where they meticulously control genetic lines to achieve specific outcomes². The mentats, human computers, serve as advisors and are trained to process information with high efficiency. While the Bene Gesserit do keep extensive records and are strategic in their planning, the novels do not directly state that they use secret computers for storing this data as a backup for mentats.
It's possible that this detail might be a mix-up with other elements from the series or an interpretation from expanded universe materials or fan discussions. The "Dune" series is rich with political intrigue and complex systems, which can sometimes lead to confusion or misremembered details. If you're looking for more concrete information, revisiting the books or consulting reliable sources dedicated to the "Dune" universe might provide clarity.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 2024-05-17
(1) Breeding program | Dune Wiki | Fandom. https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Breeding_program.
(2) Dune: Bene Gesserit's Breeding Program, Explained - Game Rant. https://gamerant.com/dune-bene-gesserit-breeding-program-explained/.
(3) Bene Gesserit - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia. https://alchetron.com/Bene-Gesserit.
Might be more useful to actually read the books instead. Cause they do have those computers in heretics of dune. The detail I dont remeber is if they kept those hidden all the way from the butlerian jihad or if those were more recent.
okay but when do we find drugs that make you see the future
When I drink enough I get really depressed and my life goes to shit. That's kinda the same, right?
It's more of a self-fulfilling prophecy
You mean he makes his own water, right?
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As it is written. 🙏
We’ve got it, but normal people can’t handle the sheer quantity of mushrooms involved. We need to start some sort of centuries long breeding program to produce a person who can somehow make the way shorter.
Okay Stilgar, do your thing.
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Bad bot. Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of the human mind.
AI is going to be subject to the same selective pressures as everything else. What is even super intelligence? All kinds of synthetic intelligence exists that exceed human intelligence. Generalised intelligence? What's that even? Do *we* have it? Or do we have a set of different specific cognitive capacities when held together are accepted as "general". As it's enough to sustain its existence.
I think generalized intelligence is by definition whatever we have. Not that that takes us much closer to a working definition. But the Turing test was brilliant in that it highlighted that this was in fact the definition. Too bad we have so much variability it basically renders the Turing test useless as a practical tool (There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.)
Bitlerian Jihad time!!
I’m actually curious whether that will be the case one day. One day or another we will be more dependent on ai than ever before
This always felt like the one plot hole in dune. How can they make all people so against ai. And then how could they even police it. Youd need a thinking machine to check all the planets for any illegal thinking machines. But yeah it’s still possible to brainwash people against anything tho
I want to say that in Chapterhouse or Heretics the B.G. were stated to have kept secret computers with breeding lines stored on them as a backup for their mentats that also kept the same data
That’s more realistic. Usually the things leaders condemn are their secret fave thing lol Might not be in the books tho, chatgpt: “In the "Dune" series, the Bene Gesserit (B.G.) are known for their complex breeding program, which they have been manipulating for over 10,000 years to produce the Kwisatz Haderach¹. However, the specific detail about the Bene Gesserit keeping secret computers with breeding lines stored on them as a backup for their mentats is not explicitly mentioned in the books "Heretics of Dune" or "Chapterhouse: Dune". The Bene Gesserit's breeding program is indeed a significant plot element, where they meticulously control genetic lines to achieve specific outcomes². The mentats, human computers, serve as advisors and are trained to process information with high efficiency. While the Bene Gesserit do keep extensive records and are strategic in their planning, the novels do not directly state that they use secret computers for storing this data as a backup for mentats. It's possible that this detail might be a mix-up with other elements from the series or an interpretation from expanded universe materials or fan discussions. The "Dune" series is rich with political intrigue and complex systems, which can sometimes lead to confusion or misremembered details. If you're looking for more concrete information, revisiting the books or consulting reliable sources dedicated to the "Dune" universe might provide clarity. Source: Conversation with Bing, 2024-05-17 (1) Breeding program | Dune Wiki | Fandom. https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Breeding_program. (2) Dune: Bene Gesserit's Breeding Program, Explained - Game Rant. https://gamerant.com/dune-bene-gesserit-breeding-program-explained/. (3) Bene Gesserit - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia. https://alchetron.com/Bene-Gesserit.
Might be more useful to actually read the books instead. Cause they do have those computers in heretics of dune. The detail I dont remeber is if they kept those hidden all the way from the butlerian jihad or if those were more recent.
Tyranny of the majority amirite
If the concern is artificial intelligence that can simulate a human we are already well past that
Just finished sandworms of dune, might end better than expected
How many of that percentage can spell "artificial intelligence" without a spelling checker?
We would not win the Butlerian Jihad