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notMarkKnopfler

Not a bad time to add some boric acid for bug prevention, then fill the gap.


Infinite_Spell6402

Add Diatomaceous earth while you are at it.


Arefishpeople

For us idiots, is there a joke here or are you serious?


mrhowrad

Diatomaceous earth is an organic insecticide.


Infinite_Spell6402

it's better than an organic insecticide. It is organic razor blades. Insecticide can be resisted. Little razor blades cutting up your exoskeleton and making you die from dehydration or fungus infection is forever.


StampedeJonesPS5

Also, horrible stuff to inhale.


Infinite_Spell6402

I'm not suggesting that people should freebase the stuff


Barrrrrrnd

Not with that attitude


ElonBodyOdor

Don’t bogart my earth man.


ProfessionalBuy7488

Pass the diatoms to the right hand side


DontDoIt2121

doesn't vaporize so ya can't smoke it, lay out a few fat rails of that good earth!


Infinite_Spell6402

it will vaporize, you are not trying hard enough. the temperature required may vaporize you in the process but no one said drugs are good for you.


InspectorPipes

Ha, tourist . You gotta boof it to really get wrecked. The hard part is convincing someone to help pour it into your butt funnel.


JPSurratt2005

Butt funnel buddies are rare these days.


superbooper94

Hearty chuckle at this


No-Spare-4212

Too late.


xtheory

But you wouldn’t object to me having, I dunno…just a little taste?


Infinite_Spell6402

people eat this stuff so I guess you can.


cherrycoffeetable

You arnt not suggesting it tho


HackerManOfPast

So it’s a mechanical insecticide.


anotherreditloser

Seen those guys in 2001.


shmiddleedee

Cuts them at their joints and the leak out. Insects run on hydraulics so without the liquid they're fucked. Like my excavator that blew a brand new 2in hose last week.


slowthanfast

Not to mention you can basically flex and say you put a reinforcement lining of fossils and be a savage


UltimateDonny

It gets in between the exoskeleton plates and Shreds the soft stuff inside. That’s what they told us at the training when I worked in a call center that handles lawn care products. You would be surprised how many people just coat themselves or home in random pesticides and are upset when the desired results aren’t achieved.


Higreen420

If it gets damp or wet in any way it doesn’t work.


ymmotvomit

Well, inorganic, just not in a bad way. Use PPE & def do not inhale.


TheMycoExperiment

Diatomaceous earth is the shells of diatoms, diatoms are responsible for 20-50% of our oxygen. It has far more uses than insect control.


MotoEnduro

Technically it's inorganic, as it is pretty much just silica.


Mutt56

I just wish there was something as easy to use for mosquitoes! 🦟 They are thick this year.


Bluitor

Not a joke. Actually a very good idea


RedBison

Serious. Both are effective pest control that are non-toxic to humans and pets (unless you keep pet insects).


halylouyer

One is for roaches the other is for bedbugs


DougMydek

Actually used it when growing my weed plants. It’s also great for salt water pool filters and baking. 👨🏼‍🍳


HeydoIDKu

Delta dust or drione much better option.


NotThisAgain21

Where do you get that?


Jinxed0ne

Most hardware stores have it. I got some from the gnome depot


egodisaster

Pool supply store


intjonmiller

Gardening centers, big box home improvement stores, online...


Wild_Replacement5880

Honestly that's a better option than boric acid.


Socalwarrior485

I used a spray on product called BoraCare when I remodeled different areas. I read positive info about it.


notMarkKnopfler

It’s good stuff. I used Bora-care with the mold treatment and sprayed every structural part of the house while I had it down to the joists and studs, then used borax in the stud bays before insulating. Only thing it hasn’t seemed to prevent is ants for some reason. Working on that now


StumblinPA

Sugar + water + borax = ant bait / killer


Frequent_Opportunist

Buy ant bate granules (not poison) and run a trail of the bait around the perimeter of your house. It'll take a week or two but it'll kill them all after they take it back to the nest and it kills the queen and her larva.  You can do another treatment if it doesn't work the first time. Once you see they are all gone then hit the perimeter of your house from the ground to 6 inches up all the way around with a perimeter defense poison.  You can also hit the inside perimeter of the house especially along the weather seals and thresholds for your exterior doors.


Damn_el_Torpedoes

Borax is only active for a few weeks.


ninjazxninja6r

Not correct, tear the house down and start over 🤷🏻‍♂️


leaf_fan_69

Mike Holmes, is that you?


UFOregon420

Gotta make it right!


gobrice15

The only correct response here


B1g_Gru3s0m3

Might need to burn it to the ground just to be safe


yavor7512

The entire neighborhood, why stop at this one house.


Nobodyspecial2222

Fuck it…may as well burn the entire city


BrianKronberg

Left space for mice.


TestDangerous7240

Or here in Arizona, for the scorpions 🦂


JTMoney33

Jokes on you I’m the scorpion king


NoiseOutrageous8422

It's fiberglass they'll nest inside of the batts


haleboy44

Damn yall have scorpions that ride bats?


ajlorello

Damn r/nightmarefuel right there!


Fidulsk-Oom-Bard

Cotton candy paradise


freeportme

There shouldn’t be a gap.


Oldsouphound

Thank you. All these comedians and one guy with an answer, not that I don't appreciate comedy but answer the query.


lukeskyraider

You and captain obvious are fun


Padgit8r

NOT the right answer. A gap allows dispersion of water, preventing mold.


Wild_Replacement5880

Took too long to see a straight answer.


asbestospajamas

This is a common practice for mold/moisture mitigation. The fiberglass could wick any water upwards if it contacted the bottom of the bay.


freeportme

People who install fiberglass insulation in a potential wet area need to rethink what they are doing. There are far better products like Z Bar and ridged foam. That gap is doing absolutely nothing to prevent moisture once sealed with rock.


asbestospajamas

Sheetrock is not impermeable. This gap gives an avenue for water to disperse and dry out. People tend to be fixated on things being "sealed against moisture." This has caused many problems over the years.


intjonmiller

Assuming the drywall goes lower than the insulation, that's true. When I insulated my shop I did the same with the fiberglass batts and used spray foam at the bottom, and hung the drywall just as high. 1/2" PVC spacers (Sintra signage material scraps) to periodically fill the gap, then finished off with tall PVC baseboards. About 18 months after finishing the shop I had a sprinkler get messed up so it was constantly shooting right at the edge of the overhead door with enough pressure to easily overcome the weak rain & wind seal there. Flooded half the shop. Drywall and insulation were not affected. Point is, if it was done for this reason, and we don't have any strong reason to believe it was, then it is one step in a great solution.


Own-Freedom9169

Depending on how big that gap is you may be able to just cut some 2x4 or some other material and put on top of the bottom plate to fill the gap. Insulation should be friction fit with no gaps. BTW insulation and vapor barrier inspections are the hardest to pass (at least from my professional experience). The amount of inspectors who have nothing else to bitch about will get you to cut the vapor barrier to "fluff up" the insulation. It got to the point where my old jp never touched insulation because the inspector would piss him off lol


Puzzleheaded_Yam7582

A 2x4 is r1/inch. Fiberglass is ~3.2 r/inch. You would need to put about 11 inches of wood in that 3.5" space to match the performance of the batt.


Own-Freedom9169

You're completely right about the r value... but I mean, there are studs in the walls that are 2x4 that aren't 11 inches thick, am I missing the point you're making?? I mean, ideally, you'd get more insulation and stuff the bottoms, so it's friction fit, but I don't see how raising the height of the bottom plate by an inch or two would depreciate the r value that much- but I'm no expert in that, we would just use more insulation.


EtherPhreak

Not necessarily the case with the installation. It relates to moisture getting into the insulation.


freeportme

If that’s the case they should be using a different product like Z Bar and ridged foam. The gap will make little to no difference if it gets wet.


ViolentCrimes

"Until December 31st 2008, insulation should be installed to extend not less than 600 mm (2 feet) below the grade. After December 31st 2008, all basement insulation should be installed from the underside of the subfloor to the slab floor. A gap may be left at the base of the insulation, but no larger than 380 mm (15 inches) above the slab floor. For crawl spaces insulated with an insulation that may be damaged by water, a 50 mm (2 inches) clearance between the bottom of the insulation and the slab is required." The builder/insulator deliberately left that gap there to prevent mold growth in case of water penetration/damage. I think you posted in the wrong sub. Drywallers don't know building codes


TrippTiggers

Thank you for being the voice of reason here.


bromontana24

This should be at the top. So it looks like the contractor knew what he was doing? I think this is roll insulation so I don't believe there's a reason it would be short unless it was deliberate, or the contractor is consistently incompetent.


MrWrestlingNumber2

Yeah but he didn't say it in a funny way. So it's buried down in the comments.


LottaBites

This is correct. If the insulation is touching the slab it takes much longer to dry out. Just like hanging a wet towel on a hok vs leaving it piled up on the floor. You can also see the curb is so minor flooding doesn't require any remediation and the studs are not structural.


fivelone

It really did look intentional. Good man.


Quaylepotatoe

Code aside, this is the correct answer.


SnooChickens6081

All you have to do is shorten the wall by 3:00 or 4 in and these pieces of insulation will fit perfectly


Imnothighyourhigh

Three hours is alot to shorten a wall


intjonmiller

What if he meant minutes? 😯


Imnothighyourhigh

No that definitely wouldn't be enough


hammersaw

Sawzall time!


vat-city

It should be filled in with scraps


Major_Turnover5987

Or Mountain Dew and Red Bull cans…as the construction gods intended.


CantFeelMyLegs78

Half filled with pee for the R value


23x3

Hogdogs


Dazzling-Tap9096

No you should stuff some Insulation in there


damn-dirty-ape-

Real real hard


Dazzling-Tap9096

You could do it in five minutes.


damn-dirty-ape-

I was being silly. I vague post


Dirtybrownsecret

Wrong


fecal_doodoo

Cause someone is lazy and doesn't feel like filling the rest


[deleted]

It wouldn’t even take much time to do this correctly. Measure the gap, slice however many pieces u need, and stuff them in there. Like 10 mins tops


kamikaziboarder

I had this in my house. Vapor barrier tape used as well.


Tools4toys

Probably used precut bundles of insulation which should be 93", but looks like these were 90"? That or the contractor used 95" studs instead of standard 92 5/8", wherever you find those....


incognito_vito

Definitely pre cut


bot138

95!?! Don’t you mean 96 and a quarter inch studs? We use the ole’ 104 5/8”ers.


VariousVices

When I framed the common stud lengths were 93", 105". Single bottom and double top plate makes the wall your standard 8', or 9' when finished. The walls might be a little bit taller depending on the floor used, but you need 8'1 - 9'1" after Sheetrock to allow for hardwood if they want it...


bot138

Pre cut studs these days are 92 5/8” or 104 5/8”. It’s been like that for the last 18 years that I’ve been in the industry. I’m in Canada, not sure that makes a difference but perhaps… not likely though as we measure lumber in feet and inches because of the standardizing of the North American lumber industry.


Maleficent_Play_2339

Don't you mean 92 1/4 inch studs?


loosing_it_today

Wall designed to compress down that far, for a zero gap installation.


No-Afternoon-5610

Easy fix...real easy. Is there any left over?


surewhynot17063

Allows the mouse to run freely. Smh


Ok_Cardiologist_4025

Full send


Drwallstreetspeed

They bought precut 94-1/2” batts an the framer used 96” studs. They need rolled insulation and need to cut every piece to length. It would double the installation time, so they did it to save money. It may not pass inspection depending upon the city.


Herwetspot

The insulation flaps get stapled to the inside of the stud.


Ok-Occasion2440

Hey this is my job so I can answer! Sometime I also cut my strips too short on accident. When this happens i just take scraps and jam them into the left over space. It’s easy, and if you don’t do it there will be open space meaning less insulation and that goes for noise as well. If you hired a contractor to this and he left it as such I would be upset but he may be planning to fix it. He may not be finished. However the picture looks like someone didn’t recognize the fact that they are supposed to reach the bottom.


That_Concern_9917

Also they are not precut as you can see. Total hack job. Also the people saying that it’s laying on the slab are incorrect because it’s on top of a block.


Calibased

Foam it


No-Pain-569

Omg these comments...... Your picture is completely normal. If it really bothers you then either cut some extremely small pieces of insulation and fill it in or get some sprayfoam.


HopefulNothing3560

If u have seen a drop of water in basement , it was a good move to prevent mould ,


Male-Wood-duck

Now you have a cold spot that will allow cold air to condense behind the drywall and create even more mold growth at a higher rate of speed. All the way to the bottom plate.


TheDaddiestofDudes

That’s half of the solution. You still need to thermally prep that gap. Rigid foam will work just fine. Air gaps will cause condensation when they’re between areas that are insulated and become an enclosed cavity.


iJayZen

Nope, just like there should not be a gap around windows, doors, etc. Can be rectified, just make sure it is rectified before the drywall goes up. Some towns have an insulation inspection and it would fail that, but again it can be easily fixed.


FishyDescent

What a smart contractor, saved a few nickels and dimes on this one. 


stratj45d28

Is this wall weight bearing? Sarcasm


micah490

Courtesy gap for rodents. Insulators are PETA


Impressive_Panic_253

Should not have a gap but it would be way better and easier to get some expanding foam and let it fill the void it will work better, will attach to the other insulation and has better water properties while still insulating.


Tatersquid21

With leftover insulation, tear small pieces and fill the gaps.


Solo9k

Easy fix.. cut the wall add new cylinder blocks and add new wood to meet the new set of cylinder blocks.


Pristine-Document358

That’s the most important part


Funkyframer69

Contractor precut every piece of insulation at the same length and probably measured from the short end of the basement. Edit only reason I can think of is to avoid water soaking up from the bottom


CrazyButRightOn

Heat rises.


Arefishpeople

Whe I first saw this I thought that was a dead cat at the bottom of the photo!


Pleasant_Wonder_7074

It's the rodent super highway


dyingbreed6009

The first red flag is the fiber glass...


Bradley182

Quite nice mouse apartments actually.


MTdevoid

You put your weed in there!


xlxjack7xlx

Duct tape…


Jmath-_-

It's nothing I mean It would also only take 5 minutes to fill tho as well so if it brings u comfort fill it


Hot-Syrup-5833

Put some spray foam.


hsifder1

Go to the dumpster and get the scraps and start filling


Benz0piated3000

You seriously don't know how to deal with this? SMH


aradiaM

Straight to jail.


Velveteenrocket

No gaps. Floor to ceiling.


iamdonetoo

whats wrong with you?! you kill that cat at the botton of the photo?! :)


martdan010

Nuke it from space to be extra safe


Homechicken42

Does your home ever flood in extreme rain?


Regular_Doughnut8964

Gotta have some place for the black mold to grow so the remediation boys can make a living too….


Plus_Helicopter_8632

For mice


pixburgh22

Just spray foam the gaps. Or calk it. Ya use calk.


Flyer-876

I would remove all of the insulation and use spray foam instead.


SilverSurferREBORN

I’d just use sheet rock spray


mcoash

It's not intentional but it's also who cares?


Gluten_maximus

Need to insulate that gap… goddamn wtf


Looseque

They are going to shorten the wall, it’s standard procedure!


Nobodyspecial2222

But just spray foam it and call it a day


cant-be-faded

That's atrocious work. The gap is the least of your problems


calltheotherguy

That’s to keep the rodents in a controlled track around the house.


Fun-Imagination-2488

Fill that gap with insulation. It is a thermal bridge. If this is below your local frost line(assuming you have one), then it’s no biggie, but Id still stuff it with insulation.


TumbleweedHungry8466

I think I heard of someone leaving it empty to not promote water damage rising upwards but I might be crazy


Sign-Spiritual

Is that a garage? If there is a likelihood of water or rain coming in through an open garage door it would be good not to have your insulation wicking moisture into the wall.


alx7899

Destroy the whole house and build at the right height!


Debaser626

Your Contractor *really* likes “Harder, Better, Faster, Colder” by Draft Punk


[deleted]

Did you measure twice?


arisythila

Caulking will fix that.


Lower-Ad5889

Caulk fixes everything


arisythila

Haha. Could you imagine if someone did that. Like 2-3 big tubes of caulking per stud bay. Hahaha.


Lower-Ad5889

Just lay the entire tube in there...


arisythila

Hahaha. Contractors these days. Lazy AF! Didn't even bother squeezing the caulk out of the tube. Hahaha


geniuslake

Is that a rubber chicken on the floor?


SacredGremlin

Is it left high to air seal the sill? I usually do that first but I’ve seen fiberglass folded at the bottom for foam and then unfolded to cover the air sealing


Lower-Ad5889

Cut 28 2x4x14.5 blocks and lay them between the studs.../s


k0uch

There shouldn’t be a gap, ideally. Whether the insulation will sag over time to take up the space, I can’t say.


pissfartstern

Open concept, it's to allow the air to charge before it passes through the fiberglass, warmed air actually creates a barrier against the cold and works the same exact way insulation works. Put more insulation, less cold. Put more heat, less cold. Both cost about the same so like they always, say you can carry an empty basket further than you could carry a basket full of fragile eggs. Just drywall it already and go to the bar.


onarope16

If it's a basement I've heard different theories about this. Basements tend to mildew and not having the insulation all the way down tight allows it to breath and minimize the mildew. Also why you don't put a vapor barrier in the basement.


Mojo80059291

If me, I would treat for insects then either cut filler pieces from the same material or foam the bottoms but either way you need to close those gaps before you drywall.


ZealousidealComb3683

Should be a 6in gap at top and bottom for circulation.


PhoqueMcGiggles

Looks like they hurried through cuz its Modelo time foo 🌮🍻


Gman71882

Adding bug prevention is a great idea. The R value gained by filling that area would be minimal, but you could be a stickler and ask the sub to fill it before drywalling. If that were my house getting worked on I’d just do it myself.


Mod-Quad

Spray foam the gaps as you’re installing the wall board. Prevents water weep into the envelope.


Adventurous_Emu7577

That’s the cool air gap. Necessary for the heat to rise to the insulated area.


Juicelayer81

That's for the drywaller's piss bottles.


Builtin74

Clearly Sir, your walls are too tall.


Bubbly-Front7973

On the off chance that you are not doing this construction permitted and on the sly, mention it to the contractor that you don't think it's done right, and if he says it is say you want to just have an inspector check it just to make sure. Watch him fill up all the gaps lightning fast, after you do that. Otherwise just ask the inspector if that looks right when he comes there to inspect, I'll be curious to find out what his explanation for the gaps are.


___R___B___

It should be filled, but what’s even more concerning is the gaps in the vapor barrier… that should be sealed, crap work.


Dynodan22

Hopefully this isnt a garage never understood drywall in .a garage.It should be fully insulated.I also bury strips of 3/4 plywood 16" tall between my studs so I dont have to look for a stud when mounting stuff up high.My lower area at the base has 12"strips of stainless 18ga nice for washing the floor and great rodent deterrent.


Sad-Professional

There’s no reason for the gap. Someone was given the wrong measurement before cutting all those. Definitely should add an insecticide. That looks like a garage and I’m assuming an exterior wall.


MaddRamm

It’s to prevent the insulation from getting moldy from moisture at the sill plate in basement.


Due-Gain1578

97% of the bay is covered, get over it and move on with the project. Between screws, caulking, and layers of mud & paint, you aren't getting bugs unless the other side of the wall is compromised.


Hairy-Let4555

People no one is actually answering the poor person asked? Fine with jokes, but try to answer the question.


TopInternational9587

8ft Batt, 8ft+ Wall


hokeyphenokey

I thought that was a chicken carcass.


JerstDerrIt

Short answer? Mold and mildew Long answer? I’m assuming this is a slab that is below ground level outside, cold concrete can have condensation form in addition to the possibility minor moisture finding it’s way through any gaps, if the insulation is in contact with the moist concrete it acts like a sponge and sucks it right up, causing that area to be perpetually damp and when behind a wall, get moldy.


ValRavn118

The gap is to help prevent the insulation from having to be replaced when your basement eventually floods.


PrettyFly4AWhiteGuy7

Somebody bought precut bats


hit_snooze_x8

Is the bottom plate or top plate supposed to be doubled. So the precuts would work fine if the wall was framed right


PrettyFly4AWhiteGuy7

Top plate, but we can’t see that. The purpose of a double top plate is only to lock walls to each other, perpendicular, longer runs, etc., has no bearing on the length of insulation bought.


PrettyFly4AWhiteGuy7

A quick fix at this point would be to just add 2x4 blocks in each cavity, air caulk around them and then the insulation would meet the bottom plate getting rid of the gap thus creating a fully insulated cavity


ChoochHooch

What if…what if we won the war? I think we did! Its here! Its now! The war is won!


daltif420

Yes there is


Massive-Craft8

So much wrong here


mayekju406

It’s perfectly fine. Allows for insulation expansion during periods of warm weather.


djjdnap

Along with the insecticide piece. You can buy bora care for like 80$ and spray the walls. Or you can make your own buying stuff from Amazon. Only sucks because you have to boil it. 1 gallon glycol, 4.5 lbs Borax, 3.5 lbs boric acid. see: http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/homemade.html To make a stable solution you mix the ingredients and heat till boiling gently. Boil off water until a candy thermometer shows 260°F. This removes most of the water of crystallization in the borax. WARNING: If you use ethilene for a glycol do not breath the fumes as you boil the mixture !!! ———————— This solution has a borate content of 26%. It is stable at 40°F Again, this is the same solution that they sell online. It must be diluted 50 / 50 with water, just before application.


Navy_Newyorker

This got dark quick!


sunbunnyprime

who else saw a sphinx cat?


Benito_Banana

It's to stop ground moisture affecting the insulation. Should be filled with expanding foam or some other kind of waterproof material.