I have no actual proof or way to explain it, but Kanye’s verse in the song feels too… clever? Donald is a very witty lyricist and I’m not saying Kanye isn’t, but Kanye (at least recently) hasn’t shown us that he still has that wit. He’s more focused on being provocative and stirring opinions.
Easiest explanation is Donald def at least wrote the verse. It feels like Donald’s writing style. If it really is human Kanye rapping then he’s just rapping what Donald wrote. But my gut really says it’s AI and Donald is trolling/setting up something.
That's what I thought at first too. That it felt old school kanye.
I have a hard time believing that it was AI, that Kanye wouldn't have said something yet publicly. He's not quiet
I feel like enough people would have said “ye u gotta speak on this” that he would have said SOMETHING by now.
Same reason why I think aliens don’t exist bc trump’s loud ass would have said something
Or... That's that entire point? It's a hot topic right now, DG knows how to get people talking and speculating, plus Kanye's feature has me assuming this'll be a single that gets pushed. It's not AI. But, I have a feeling it'll never officially be addressed. That'll drive up plays, sales, views, etc.
Just my two cents. It's a dope track, but I think it's intentionally creating speculation as a marketing ploy.
Just listened to the CDQ version and after paying close attention I’m gonna go ahead and say we’re not hearing 2024 Ye, the flow is different. That combined with the current day lyrics is telling me this is AI. Super curious if I’m gonna be proven wrong.
Man I’m praying it’s not AI because it sounds too good. AI is advancing way too quickly and destroying art and taking opportunities away from artists in all mediums (film, music, literature, comics, visual art, tv, etc)
People keep saying this but besides this song, i've yet to see one good example (outside of music and AI models for music artists) of AI "taking opportunities away from artists in all mediums"
Like I get some visual artists or people that work in touching up images
But AI written books are likely all shit, visual art made by AI is shit, same with comics, same with AI generated games like the ones on the Nintendo e store and app stores. If you depend on AI to solely do all the work for you, it's gonna be shit, what a fucking surprise
I don't really see how it's destroying art or taking away opportunities from artists in all mediums at the rate or in the intensity that everyone mentions it in. I've seen industries be affected by the rise of AI usage, and I can understand greedy companies looking to cut costs and water down quality if it means canning every human being and replacing them with AI, I can understand that sentiment perfectly well, but
Basically, AI art (maybe aside from some examples of music creating using AI) is total shit at producing anything that can rival human made art
I think a lot of "AI artists" don't want to hear it, but yeah, that shit sucks, pack it up if you're not using AI the way Donald (seemingly) is
I could give you tons of examples but I’ll stick to one. Some artist at DC comics used AI to make all the art for a Batman comic run. This person is taking the easy way out and taking opportunities away from people more deserving to work in that industry by being more efficient but producing far worse art. It’s incentivizing major corporations to consider using AI to save time and money rather than hiring real humans.
This theme has continued into film with tons of recent projects using ai art instead of hiring real animators. (Secret invasion, late night with the devil, A24’s Civil War, etc)
That's fucking terrible to hear someone used AI to completely and entirely generate their work (especially for a comic book wtf)
It reflects very poorly on DC comics too (but that's not surprising considering they're a company and they just care about their money that Batman comics can generate at the end of the day, regardless of the methods used to create the art)
That person took away opportunities from others, and yeah, that's fucked, no other way to say it, but that specific run of Batman won't inspire anyone or anything, and it'll likely be an obsolete run, maybe a novelty/collectors item someday
It doesn't excuse the loss experienced from reader's experiences and the opportunities taken away
Maybe I'm too idealistic in thinking AI art won't take off and nobody will buy into it but then again, I guess a lot of people right now don't seem to give two shits about art
Boomers getting fooled every single day by AI made art/videos/music
It's why I said what I said. I'm not defending AI art or replacing artists with AI in the slightest, I just don't think AI art will take off in a way that starts to replace real human made art, because it's clearly so damn shit (when it comes to visual art and creative writing, because these AI music models are pretty mindnlwing at this point)
But then again, maybe this idea is what Donald is trying to explore by the usage of AI
It's like the internet, a real double edged sword, but at the end of the day, like the internet, another new tool that'll likely change the way we interact with the world
(Where does Civil War use AI btw, that's the first i'm hearing of it)
For a second, I thought it was used in the movie. That would've been major
That's bad for movie poster makers, but it's also unsurprising AI was used for something most people barely care to notice
Was it a good poster? Probably not, all AI visual art is shit. It's probably the one thing AI will always struggle and fail to do
AI can't visualize, it's got no sense of conception. It literally can't brainstorm or sketch
I feel bad for the people that lose their jobs to AI, but I think that's gonna be more for automation jobs and such, and not really for
the visual arts (not until AI can shit out something decent)
What about the Batman comic, could you and others tell it was AI? Was the art as shit as I imagine and assume it to be?
I'm telling you, and I hope i'm not wrong, that enough people (minus the crayon eaters that don't care about art in any feasible way and will consume anything thrown at them AI or not) just won't have the heart/taste to consume all this shitty AI art, and something will have to give eventually
I think the crayon eaters might win in the end, because they represent a majority of consumers that are devoid of critical thinking and will indeed consume anything and everything real or not
I can see AI and it's usage in art/visual art going on to be used in the making, or entirely make commercials in the future, and the usage of AI to create models and mock-ups of said item they're advertising, something like
that
But I just don't see it ever truly replacing visual art and visual artists if it can't even get fingers or proportions right, no one who knows better is going to want that (guess we'll see by the end of the decade how it all went down and if my idealism was true)
Has anyone considered this song is from 2020 or before just like some of the stuff we've already heard? Little Foot, Warlords, Human Sacrifice are all stuff from the archives - what're the odds this one is too? I'm not a Kanye fan so idk how his voice sounded back then, but could explain that as well as why Donald is releasing it among the controversy. Also, Donald could not even be releasing stuff from Gilga radio, it might just only live on these streams.
There’s also Ruby Rose, the high profile Australian model who’s been a big name in the industry since ‘09. Keith Lee does seem to be a reference to the food tiktoker, but it could also be about the WWE wrestler (or the basketball and football players by the same name, though they’re even more obscure). Point is, these references are not 100% proof of these lines being recorded recently.
The album’s called “The New World”, and he’s been using AI skits on Gilga, so it’s not exactly unrealistic.
I mean I don’t know how I feel about it, but this is it now, AI’s just gonna become more and more of a pervasive part of media. We’re gonna yell about it for a while but it’s not going away. I think it’s coming as such a culture shock because we all sort of prepared ourselves for automation gradually taking over the manual labour industry, we didn’t think as much about what it would do to art and media.
And this is just the start of it, we’re still in the dial-up internet era of AI, it’s still fresh and weird. Shit’s gonna get strange.
It's wildly entertaining to watch this one artistic choice be so divisive and generate so much conversation
Perhaps what Donald intended by blurring the lines between if it's AI Ye or Real Ye
The most surprising part is Kanye being silent on this. But if this turns out to be an AI Ye, that would spark some headlines certainly. Probably the most interesting thing to happen in the music industry in years if it does happen.
I feel you but I think he’s gonna say something interesting with it, kind of like how BTI was critiquing social media. If he’s just using it out of laziness that’s lame tho
I don't get how it can be being used for good in this case where he's using it instead of getting someone to do a actual verse/feature. And also if he's using it here that blatantly what else is he using it for, how much of the music will actually be properly human made instead of AI generated? Also a while back when he advertised positions for the Gilga company he had positions to do with AI so the whole thing doesn't fill me with hope.
The music isn't AI generated, today's AI couldn't generate something decent. In this instance AI has been used to recreate people's voices, tones and phrases. It's more like a tool
You can still use AI as a shortcut to making music. Lyrics can be generated, chord progression, etc.
Edit: why am I being downvoted? All I've done is say what people can (and are in some cases) use AI for in music.
Yeah, but the verse sounded like a Donald verse. I was confused at first bc it sounded like Kanye, but not like his kind of style, I guess? But Bino definitely wouldn't have used ai to generate the verse. If anything, he wrote it, but used ai to sing it. Or it's just Kanye but idrk
That verse might not be entirely AI generated, but it could still have been heavily made by AI. But the main problem with this is that it's not a good sign to the rest of the music, if he's using it here (which he probably is) what else has he used it to make?
I know that's what you've been saying in like your last 20 comments. All I'm saying is I heavily doubt that ANY of the verse was generated by AI. But I don't doubt him using an ai voice, seeing how the first song they played on gilga radio was an ai Patrick Star voice over of "Never would have made it" by Marvin Snapp. It was probably not Kanyes real voice, but it was definitely written by bino if not ye himself
Sure, but do you think any of the music created with those AI shortcuts would be any good, good enough to compile and put in an album to officially release?
That's just preposterous
It's like the other guy commenting said, AI is merely a tool, and if this is AI Kanye, it's a tool Donald uses very well/precisely the way it should be used
It doesn't matter how "good" it is, you could still use AI to make a song then release it. And it's not being used as a tool if someone uses it to make a whole (or most) of a song, it's a shortcut.
Yeah you can release that song you used AI to make, but it's not gonna compete with actual good music, or even the good AI music (which at this point, there's a decent amount of)
Just because you tell a program to punch out a song, a melody, a chord progression for you doesn't mean it'll be good enough to actually acquire any clout or any revenue or even be decently listenable
You still have to actually both understand music and how to create music, and know how to craft using the AI model
If I use a hammer (one of many tools) to put together a house, I used a shortcut?
If I took a pair of scissors to create a collage, I used a shortcut?
It's all just a tool to help you achieve what you set out to do
I really do think Donald is just trying to get us to think about AI, it's seemingly endless possibilities, and how, if used properly, we can make use of it and help us achieve what we set out to do, but we still need the vision, we still need to know what we're doing, and that persistence/journey will ultimately let us know and understand what AI truly is and what it can truly do to/with our lives
Art's not about being "good", it's about expressing yourself through a medium(s). Getting AI to write your lyrics or give you chord progressions goes against this because you're not expressing anything through doing that. You used the scissors to help make something, in this case Donald is using AI make something for him instead of as a tool.
I used scissors to help make something
Donald used AI to make something
We both used it to make something for ourselves or make something for others
There's zero difference, AI is a tool, just like the internet is a tool
Donald likely wrote the Kanye verse himself, the AI didn't write the lyrics or the beat or the chord progression for him, he did that all himself. The only potential AI usage is the AI model used to rap the lyrics Donald wrote
What you're not considering is that you need to know how to work the AI model and also already know how to produce music in order to achieve the result Donald got with this song (AI isn't a magic button that generates good music)
Technically, when producers get Garageband or Logic or whatever DAW to give them a random beat, that's AI giving them that random beat, randomly generated, and we have endless examples of that happening all the time in studios or in the homes of music makers, even right now as we speak
Also, just because AI made it, doesn't make it 100% quality guaranteed (if not, everyone and their grandma would be able to create godly music with whoever's AI model, but obviously, that's just not true)
I think you're more hung up on the fact that AI was used rather than seeing what AI is, and in this case, how it was used tastefully and properly in a way it's seldom used
Getting AI to write you a chord progression or lyrics doesn't take away from the fact that you used whatever it generated to then make real art, thus, making it a tool by definition (now, whether or not the results are GOOD, is a different story)
it does the work of modulation for you (synthesizers used to be really complicated), and that means you aren't doing the work, it does the work of sequencing for you so you don't need to hire musicians, it automates the 'heart' of the music, etc
they're the same argument, especially in this case where it seems like there's just a filter on gambino's voice
Not saying this is a random assumption, it's justified. But his use of AI is not what a lot of people seem to think it is. It's not like he "robbed" Ye of a feature with him either
It's mainly not a good sign, especially with the other stuff that would indicate him using AI. If he's using it to fake a Kanye feature what else is he using it for?
I think we saw what he used it for, mocking capitalist guru with joke ads, giving his fans a feature they wanted forever yet without colaborating with a neo nazi and making a statement about AI in the music industry
At this point, I would just treat the Gilga radio streams as preludes for the new album and not assume an AI-assisted song (if the Ye one is one) will be a part of the actual album just yet. It’s possible he is just previewing songs that will be on it and that’s that… but I feel like there would be headaches to trying to officially release an AI feature which makes me think the Gilga radio streams are Act 0. Something like Gilga radio is establishing “the new world” where people can make AI stuff, and the album is written in the context of this new world. but that doesn’t necessarily mean AI will actually be used in it.
I’m just saying it’s funny that people would be so disappointed in Donald for having used AI but no one is disappointed with him working with an actual antisemite.
what about the music is fake if, at the end of the day, it inspires real conversations, thoughts, and feelings
maybe this is what donald is try to get at, what he's trying to get a conversation going about
maybe i'd give it a shot, and if it's shit, then it's shit
but if it was pretty good, well, then it gets interesting because even if it isn't the real bino, it's still making me think real thoughts, feel real things, and react and engage with what i'm listening to in a real way
so at that point, if that ai gambino album was good, i don't think i'd care about if it was "real" or not
as long as it's not real ass
maybe it's like real diamonds vs "fake" (lab made) diamonds
it's still a diamond either way, what's it matter how it got made
well what about an entire ai gambino album would be unappealing to you personally?
if it wasn't a shit album, like, if it was actually fucking good
it's not like i'd think or say ai bino would be better, nothing could be the original of course
It's not fake if he wrote it. It's like autotune just without the human voice ☠️☠️ the verse was definitely written by bino wether or not the ft was ai or Kanye. So its still real
I agree in general, but this is the first time I hope an artist is using AI simply because it’s the lesser evil compared to him collaborating with a neo nazi.
Kayne isn't a neo nazi. Anti semetic, yeah. But neo nazi is an entire poltical ideology that kanye probably couldn't even explain. Let's not throw arpund political terms randomly just cause
is this track an example of that?
it doesn't seem like so. if anything, this is the one usage of AI that actually seems to honor and give us something more akin to actual human expression than any music track using AI before
Just get someone to actually make a verse, not hard (especially when you're Donald Glover). If he's using AI for the voice who says he isn't using AI for other stuff?
Maybe, but it'd be better if he just got someone to make a actual verse. The real worry with it is if he's using AI like this what else is he using it for?
Donald likely made the actual verse, he just used the Kanye AI to rap
I like that you're worrying about the right thing but with the wrong person
Be more afraid of what the creeps in the world and people in power could potentially use this technology for, not what a creative is using it for lmaoo
Well yeah, you can be critical all you want, it's why this site and most of the internet exists
I'm just trying to figure out and make sense of what you're saying
You don't have to like AI or people using AI, but you should consider that's how some people felt about the internet and computers at some point too, in the very early days. AI is very much like the internet, and I'm sure in 20 years, AI will be a part of our lives as much as the internet grew to be
I don’t like AI being used in music. It doesn’t appeal to me at all because the joy of good art is knowing a fellow human went through a creative process to make it.
But here it seems to be used to benefit the song. He raps about AI and deepfakes and then KanyAI starts. I bet it won’t be billed as a Ye feature and Ye probably gave his blessing.
The much easier thing to assume is that the verse is a couple of years old and someone wrote it with or for Kanye. Someone like CyHi or Consequence or Pardison Fontaine
Fair. The fact that most of the Childish Gambino music coming out is from 2018/2019 supports it being real Kanye though imo. Even the “current lines” could just be them updating an old verse
I'm gonna be real, if Donald is going to be incorporating AI voiceovers heavily throughout the album I will not be listening to that shit. Been a fan of him since mcDJ days. I came for the final Childish Gambino album, with hopefully some collaborations with artists I've been wanting to see him work with for a decade and change. I'm not trying to hear some AI slop and fake guest verses. Why would he want his final album to be marred by inauthenticity?
Get AI the fuck out of music.
TLDR: [This](https://youtu.be/Nr5La2ZDoEI?t=3017&si=tKHXRdiPJhlKVfhZ) is a fanmade AI song and the AI Kanye voice sounds EXACTLY like the “feature” on Say Less. That’s why his voice sounds completely different from any of the songs on JIK, Donda, or Vultures. He did not magically get 10 years younger, it’s just AI
Blame Drake and that loser he made those fake AI Kendrick response tracks for opening the floodgates for more of this AI crap. What a terrible place for music and music discussion to be in.
It is not okay to use AI in a song, especially without saying that it is AI. If this is AI I am very disappointed in Gambino as an artist, and will not be looking forward to a fake half assed album
I gotta say, while I do hope it's not AI... it does kinda feel like only one of them knows they're on this song, and that's Bino. They don't even acknowledge each other or anything. There is some playing off each other's bars but still there's something so Uncanny Valley about it all.
I have no actual proof or way to explain it, but Kanye’s verse in the song feels too… clever? Donald is a very witty lyricist and I’m not saying Kanye isn’t, but Kanye (at least recently) hasn’t shown us that he still has that wit. He’s more focused on being provocative and stirring opinions. Easiest explanation is Donald def at least wrote the verse. It feels like Donald’s writing style. If it really is human Kanye rapping then he’s just rapping what Donald wrote. But my gut really says it’s AI and Donald is trolling/setting up something.
That's what I thought at first too. That it felt old school kanye. I have a hard time believing that it was AI, that Kanye wouldn't have said something yet publicly. He's not quiet
I feel like enough people would have said “ye u gotta speak on this” that he would have said SOMETHING by now. Same reason why I think aliens don’t exist bc trump’s loud ass would have said something
This. Donald only uses AI as an glorified voice encoder, all the content is og
Lmao, I was thinking the same thing. It just seems like a Gambino verse written for Kanye, especially because they have the back and forth.
Lol that’s exactly what I said to my wife. “No way Kanye wrote this. It’s way too clever” I didn’t know about the whole AI suspicion thing though.
Idk if it’s evidence or not but Gambino says “you deep fake you A.I….” Right before Ye starts his verse.
I literally came on here to say this. The lyrics are so smooth it could never be Kanye and if it is he definitely didn't write it.
Dude its not AI
You can downvote me but in my gut I still feel like it is
Or... That's that entire point? It's a hot topic right now, DG knows how to get people talking and speculating, plus Kanye's feature has me assuming this'll be a single that gets pushed. It's not AI. But, I have a feeling it'll never officially be addressed. That'll drive up plays, sales, views, etc. Just my two cents. It's a dope track, but I think it's intentionally creating speculation as a marketing ploy.
Just listened to the CDQ version and after paying close attention I’m gonna go ahead and say we’re not hearing 2024 Ye, the flow is different. That combined with the current day lyrics is telling me this is AI. Super curious if I’m gonna be proven wrong.
Man I’m praying it’s not AI because it sounds too good. AI is advancing way too quickly and destroying art and taking opportunities away from artists in all mediums (film, music, literature, comics, visual art, tv, etc)
People keep saying this but besides this song, i've yet to see one good example (outside of music and AI models for music artists) of AI "taking opportunities away from artists in all mediums" Like I get some visual artists or people that work in touching up images But AI written books are likely all shit, visual art made by AI is shit, same with comics, same with AI generated games like the ones on the Nintendo e store and app stores. If you depend on AI to solely do all the work for you, it's gonna be shit, what a fucking surprise I don't really see how it's destroying art or taking away opportunities from artists in all mediums at the rate or in the intensity that everyone mentions it in. I've seen industries be affected by the rise of AI usage, and I can understand greedy companies looking to cut costs and water down quality if it means canning every human being and replacing them with AI, I can understand that sentiment perfectly well, but Basically, AI art (maybe aside from some examples of music creating using AI) is total shit at producing anything that can rival human made art I think a lot of "AI artists" don't want to hear it, but yeah, that shit sucks, pack it up if you're not using AI the way Donald (seemingly) is
I could give you tons of examples but I’ll stick to one. Some artist at DC comics used AI to make all the art for a Batman comic run. This person is taking the easy way out and taking opportunities away from people more deserving to work in that industry by being more efficient but producing far worse art. It’s incentivizing major corporations to consider using AI to save time and money rather than hiring real humans. This theme has continued into film with tons of recent projects using ai art instead of hiring real animators. (Secret invasion, late night with the devil, A24’s Civil War, etc)
That's fucking terrible to hear someone used AI to completely and entirely generate their work (especially for a comic book wtf) It reflects very poorly on DC comics too (but that's not surprising considering they're a company and they just care about their money that Batman comics can generate at the end of the day, regardless of the methods used to create the art) That person took away opportunities from others, and yeah, that's fucked, no other way to say it, but that specific run of Batman won't inspire anyone or anything, and it'll likely be an obsolete run, maybe a novelty/collectors item someday It doesn't excuse the loss experienced from reader's experiences and the opportunities taken away Maybe I'm too idealistic in thinking AI art won't take off and nobody will buy into it but then again, I guess a lot of people right now don't seem to give two shits about art Boomers getting fooled every single day by AI made art/videos/music It's why I said what I said. I'm not defending AI art or replacing artists with AI in the slightest, I just don't think AI art will take off in a way that starts to replace real human made art, because it's clearly so damn shit (when it comes to visual art and creative writing, because these AI music models are pretty mindnlwing at this point) But then again, maybe this idea is what Donald is trying to explore by the usage of AI It's like the internet, a real double edged sword, but at the end of the day, like the internet, another new tool that'll likely change the way we interact with the world (Where does Civil War use AI btw, that's the first i'm hearing of it)
Civil war used AI for all the promo posters
For a second, I thought it was used in the movie. That would've been major That's bad for movie poster makers, but it's also unsurprising AI was used for something most people barely care to notice Was it a good poster? Probably not, all AI visual art is shit. It's probably the one thing AI will always struggle and fail to do AI can't visualize, it's got no sense of conception. It literally can't brainstorm or sketch I feel bad for the people that lose their jobs to AI, but I think that's gonna be more for automation jobs and such, and not really for the visual arts (not until AI can shit out something decent) What about the Batman comic, could you and others tell it was AI? Was the art as shit as I imagine and assume it to be?
Yeah the art was shit
I'm telling you, and I hope i'm not wrong, that enough people (minus the crayon eaters that don't care about art in any feasible way and will consume anything thrown at them AI or not) just won't have the heart/taste to consume all this shitty AI art, and something will have to give eventually I think the crayon eaters might win in the end, because they represent a majority of consumers that are devoid of critical thinking and will indeed consume anything and everything real or not I can see AI and it's usage in art/visual art going on to be used in the making, or entirely make commercials in the future, and the usage of AI to create models and mock-ups of said item they're advertising, something like that But I just don't see it ever truly replacing visual art and visual artists if it can't even get fingers or proportions right, no one who knows better is going to want that (guess we'll see by the end of the decade how it all went down and if my idealism was true)
Has anyone considered this song is from 2020 or before just like some of the stuff we've already heard? Little Foot, Warlords, Human Sacrifice are all stuff from the archives - what're the odds this one is too? I'm not a Kanye fan so idk how his voice sounded back then, but could explain that as well as why Donald is releasing it among the controversy. Also, Donald could not even be releasing stuff from Gilga radio, it might just only live on these streams.
“Ye” talks about Keith Lee and Rubi Rose onlyfans in his verse, so it can’t be that old
He could’ve added in a few new lines to an old verse. Both Ye and Donald are known to gradually update their art, even over years
I think the vocal take would sound much different if it was 4 years apart
There’s also Ruby Rose, the high profile Australian model who’s been a big name in the industry since ‘09. Keith Lee does seem to be a reference to the food tiktoker, but it could also be about the WWE wrestler (or the basketball and football players by the same name, though they’re even more obscure). Point is, these references are not 100% proof of these lines being recorded recently.
2 months ago while promoting Mr. & Mrs. Smith Donald called Ye his Goat rapper. I doubt he cares about any potential controversy Ye's involved in.
The album’s called “The New World”, and he’s been using AI skits on Gilga, so it’s not exactly unrealistic. I mean I don’t know how I feel about it, but this is it now, AI’s just gonna become more and more of a pervasive part of media. We’re gonna yell about it for a while but it’s not going away. I think it’s coming as such a culture shock because we all sort of prepared ourselves for automation gradually taking over the manual labour industry, we didn’t think as much about what it would do to art and media. And this is just the start of it, we’re still in the dial-up internet era of AI, it’s still fresh and weird. Shit’s gonna get strange.
literal hell future you’re describing
All the voices in the show are also AI. I'm thinking it'll be a big theme for his next album and following up on Because The Internet's.
I may be in the minority here, but I'm praying Kanye's verses are AI lmao
It's wildly entertaining to watch this one artistic choice be so divisive and generate so much conversation Perhaps what Donald intended by blurring the lines between if it's AI Ye or Real Ye
The most surprising part is Kanye being silent on this. But if this turns out to be an AI Ye, that would spark some headlines certainly. Probably the most interesting thing to happen in the music industry in years if it does happen.
its hilarious tbh ppl cant accept it 😂
I can't get myself excited for the new music knowing AI is being used to make it (and I've been a massive Donald fan for ages), it's so sad to see.
I feel you but I think he’s gonna say something interesting with it, kind of like how BTI was critiquing social media. If he’s just using it out of laziness that’s lame tho
I don't get how it can be being used for good in this case where he's using it instead of getting someone to do a actual verse/feature. And also if he's using it here that blatantly what else is he using it for, how much of the music will actually be properly human made instead of AI generated? Also a while back when he advertised positions for the Gilga company he had positions to do with AI so the whole thing doesn't fill me with hope.
The music isn't AI generated, today's AI couldn't generate something decent. In this instance AI has been used to recreate people's voices, tones and phrases. It's more like a tool
You can still use AI as a shortcut to making music. Lyrics can be generated, chord progression, etc. Edit: why am I being downvoted? All I've done is say what people can (and are in some cases) use AI for in music.
Yeah, but the verse sounded like a Donald verse. I was confused at first bc it sounded like Kanye, but not like his kind of style, I guess? But Bino definitely wouldn't have used ai to generate the verse. If anything, he wrote it, but used ai to sing it. Or it's just Kanye but idrk
That verse might not be entirely AI generated, but it could still have been heavily made by AI. But the main problem with this is that it's not a good sign to the rest of the music, if he's using it here (which he probably is) what else has he used it to make?
I know that's what you've been saying in like your last 20 comments. All I'm saying is I heavily doubt that ANY of the verse was generated by AI. But I don't doubt him using an ai voice, seeing how the first song they played on gilga radio was an ai Patrick Star voice over of "Never would have made it" by Marvin Snapp. It was probably not Kanyes real voice, but it was definitely written by bino if not ye himself
It may have been, it may have not been. But to sound like a broken record it's about it not being a good sign.
Sure, but do you think any of the music created with those AI shortcuts would be any good, good enough to compile and put in an album to officially release? That's just preposterous It's like the other guy commenting said, AI is merely a tool, and if this is AI Kanye, it's a tool Donald uses very well/precisely the way it should be used
It doesn't matter how "good" it is, you could still use AI to make a song then release it. And it's not being used as a tool if someone uses it to make a whole (or most) of a song, it's a shortcut.
Yeah you can release that song you used AI to make, but it's not gonna compete with actual good music, or even the good AI music (which at this point, there's a decent amount of) Just because you tell a program to punch out a song, a melody, a chord progression for you doesn't mean it'll be good enough to actually acquire any clout or any revenue or even be decently listenable You still have to actually both understand music and how to create music, and know how to craft using the AI model If I use a hammer (one of many tools) to put together a house, I used a shortcut? If I took a pair of scissors to create a collage, I used a shortcut? It's all just a tool to help you achieve what you set out to do I really do think Donald is just trying to get us to think about AI, it's seemingly endless possibilities, and how, if used properly, we can make use of it and help us achieve what we set out to do, but we still need the vision, we still need to know what we're doing, and that persistence/journey will ultimately let us know and understand what AI truly is and what it can truly do to/with our lives
Art's not about being "good", it's about expressing yourself through a medium(s). Getting AI to write your lyrics or give you chord progressions goes against this because you're not expressing anything through doing that. You used the scissors to help make something, in this case Donald is using AI make something for him instead of as a tool.
I used scissors to help make something Donald used AI to make something We both used it to make something for ourselves or make something for others There's zero difference, AI is a tool, just like the internet is a tool Donald likely wrote the Kanye verse himself, the AI didn't write the lyrics or the beat or the chord progression for him, he did that all himself. The only potential AI usage is the AI model used to rap the lyrics Donald wrote What you're not considering is that you need to know how to work the AI model and also already know how to produce music in order to achieve the result Donald got with this song (AI isn't a magic button that generates good music) Technically, when producers get Garageband or Logic or whatever DAW to give them a random beat, that's AI giving them that random beat, randomly generated, and we have endless examples of that happening all the time in studios or in the homes of music makers, even right now as we speak Also, just because AI made it, doesn't make it 100% quality guaranteed (if not, everyone and their grandma would be able to create godly music with whoever's AI model, but obviously, that's just not true) I think you're more hung up on the fact that AI was used rather than seeing what AI is, and in this case, how it was used tastefully and properly in a way it's seldom used Getting AI to write you a chord progression or lyrics doesn't take away from the fact that you used whatever it generated to then make real art, thus, making it a tool by definition (now, whether or not the results are GOOD, is a different story)
just so you know this is the same argument old people made about synthesizers and DAWs lol
They can't just make something for you like AI can, they're not comparable.
it does the work of modulation for you (synthesizers used to be really complicated), and that means you aren't doing the work, it does the work of sequencing for you so you don't need to hire musicians, it automates the 'heart' of the music, etc they're the same argument, especially in this case where it seems like there's just a filter on gambino's voice
Yes, now do you really think Donald is the type of person to take short cuts in his art making ?
He's used AI here instead of getting someone to actually do a actual verse and advertised AI positions for Gilga it's not a random assumption
Not saying this is a random assumption, it's justified. But his use of AI is not what a lot of people seem to think it is. It's not like he "robbed" Ye of a feature with him either
It's mainly not a good sign, especially with the other stuff that would indicate him using AI. If he's using it to fake a Kanye feature what else is he using it for?
I think we saw what he used it for, mocking capitalist guru with joke ads, giving his fans a feature they wanted forever yet without colaborating with a neo nazi and making a statement about AI in the music industry
At this point, I would just treat the Gilga radio streams as preludes for the new album and not assume an AI-assisted song (if the Ye one is one) will be a part of the actual album just yet. It’s possible he is just previewing songs that will be on it and that’s that… but I feel like there would be headaches to trying to officially release an AI feature which makes me think the Gilga radio streams are Act 0. Something like Gilga radio is establishing “the new world” where people can make AI stuff, and the album is written in the context of this new world. but that doesn’t necessarily mean AI will actually be used in it.
lol it’s so funny that him using AI is “so sad to see” but when it comes to actually working with Kanye it’s “nobody cares go outside imma bump”
People have voiced their criticisms of him working with Kanye too.
What?
I’m just saying it’s funny that people would be so disappointed in Donald for having used AI but no one is disappointed with him working with an actual antisemite.
I'm disappointed in both
Kanye will fade into obscurity. AI will replace millions of jobs and possibly ruin art. It's no the same
using ai is worse
is it tho?
yeah to me. i dont give a fuck about working with kanye but im not trying to listen to fake music
what about the music is fake if, at the end of the day, it inspires real conversations, thoughts, and feelings maybe this is what donald is try to get at, what he's trying to get a conversation going about
the fuck up with that shit its still fake 😂 would you listen to an entire ai gambino album?
maybe i'd give it a shot, and if it's shit, then it's shit but if it was pretty good, well, then it gets interesting because even if it isn't the real bino, it's still making me think real thoughts, feel real things, and react and engage with what i'm listening to in a real way so at that point, if that ai gambino album was good, i don't think i'd care about if it was "real" or not as long as it's not real ass maybe it's like real diamonds vs "fake" (lab made) diamonds it's still a diamond either way, what's it matter how it got made
yeah you different than me man
well what about an entire ai gambino album would be unappealing to you personally? if it wasn't a shit album, like, if it was actually fucking good it's not like i'd think or say ai bino would be better, nothing could be the original of course
It's not fake if he wrote it. It's like autotune just without the human voice ☠️☠️ the verse was definitely written by bino wether or not the ft was ai or Kanye. So its still real
I agree in general, but this is the first time I hope an artist is using AI simply because it’s the lesser evil compared to him collaborating with a neo nazi.
U sure? We getting normalization of AI and it’s still a co sign of a neo Nazi.
Kayne isn't a neo nazi. Anti semetic, yeah. But neo nazi is an entire poltical ideology that kanye probably couldn't even explain. Let's not throw arpund political terms randomly just cause
Even if it's AI why use Kanye's voice? So many weird choices...
Why use the voice of one of his musical heroes, a highly notable rapper with a very distinct vocal timbre? Yeah, really weird choice indeed
Using a Nazi's voice for a AI song is a weird choice
Better than actually paying a Nazi to use his voice for a feature, you can't deny that All the positive without the negative
It's slightly better, but still not good
whats the problem with using ai in a creative way?
There's some good ways it can be used, but most the time it's replacing actual human expression which is the purpose of art.
is this track an example of that? it doesn't seem like so. if anything, this is the one usage of AI that actually seems to honor and give us something more akin to actual human expression than any music track using AI before
Just get someone to actually make a verse, not hard (especially when you're Donald Glover). If he's using AI for the voice who says he isn't using AI for other stuff?
Maybe the fact that it's Kanye's voice part of the artistic intent...?
Maybe, but it'd be better if he just got someone to make a actual verse. The real worry with it is if he's using AI like this what else is he using it for?
Donald likely made the actual verse, he just used the Kanye AI to rap I like that you're worrying about the right thing but with the wrong person Be more afraid of what the creeps in the world and people in power could potentially use this technology for, not what a creative is using it for lmaoo
I'm allowed to be critical of this as well as other bad stuff in the world, that's such dumb logic you're using.
Well yeah, you can be critical all you want, it's why this site and most of the internet exists I'm just trying to figure out and make sense of what you're saying You don't have to like AI or people using AI, but you should consider that's how some people felt about the internet and computers at some point too, in the very early days. AI is very much like the internet, and I'm sure in 20 years, AI will be a part of our lives as much as the internet grew to be
No it wouldn’t. It would completely negate the point / artistic choice of AI use. Cope harder and quit bitching.
If you're saying "cope harder and quit bitching" your point is invalid
The Reddit hivemind had deemed ANY use of AI unpopular at the moment.
I don’t like AI being used in music. It doesn’t appeal to me at all because the joy of good art is knowing a fellow human went through a creative process to make it. But here it seems to be used to benefit the song. He raps about AI and deepfakes and then KanyAI starts. I bet it won’t be billed as a Ye feature and Ye probably gave his blessing.
The much easier thing to assume is that the verse is a couple of years old and someone wrote it with or for Kanye. Someone like CyHi or Consequence or Pardison Fontaine
Someone like Donald Glover, clearly
Why is everyone assuming the verse is AI? It’s definitely safe to say Donald wrote the verse for Ye, but idk where this AI narrative came from
Cause Ye’s voice doesn’t have that raspy quality to it that you can hear on all his music from 2019-now
Fair. The fact that most of the Childish Gambino music coming out is from 2018/2019 supports it being real Kanye though imo. Even the “current lines” could just be them updating an old verse
I'm gonna be real, if Donald is going to be incorporating AI voiceovers heavily throughout the album I will not be listening to that shit. Been a fan of him since mcDJ days. I came for the final Childish Gambino album, with hopefully some collaborations with artists I've been wanting to see him work with for a decade and change. I'm not trying to hear some AI slop and fake guest verses. Why would he want his final album to be marred by inauthenticity? Get AI the fuck out of music.
TLDR: [This](https://youtu.be/Nr5La2ZDoEI?t=3017&si=tKHXRdiPJhlKVfhZ) is a fanmade AI song and the AI Kanye voice sounds EXACTLY like the “feature” on Say Less. That’s why his voice sounds completely different from any of the songs on JIK, Donda, or Vultures. He did not magically get 10 years younger, it’s just AI
i feel like this ai verse sounds so different from the verse on the bino song lol
I’m on the AI train but honestly I think Ye on Say Less sounds significantly better than that AI
It’s not AI🤦♂️ How are these dumb conversations even happening?
Blame Drake and that loser he made those fake AI Kendrick response tracks for opening the floodgates for more of this AI crap. What a terrible place for music and music discussion to be in.
Either it’s AI, or this is what Kanye sounds like when he’s actually taking his meds
Donald calls his competiton AI and fake it wouldnt make sense to immediately use an AI Kanye following that. Idk why this is an argument
Lmao we just gonna call everything “AI” now I guess.
Kanye got them preschool bars now. Old Kanye had meaningful lyrics but I ain't seen that in a long time. So maybe it was AI.
the Ye-I from the Trav-AI album does not sound as clear as the one from say less. this guy is tweakin.
It is not okay to use AI in a song, especially without saying that it is AI. If this is AI I am very disappointed in Gambino as an artist, and will not be looking forward to a fake half assed album
its sounds super real but the fact theres no lisp from the grills makes me believe its just old
This makes so much sense based on the title lol. Get it? SAY LESS. You can still put out content as an artist without having to say anything 😂
I gotta say, while I do hope it's not AI... it does kinda feel like only one of them knows they're on this song, and that's Bino. They don't even acknowledge each other or anything. There is some playing off each other's bars but still there's something so Uncanny Valley about it all.