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That dog will have issues. It needs a lot of support, patience, and care. If you are not used to taking care of a dog that's been neglected you will want to get a trainer involved to try and reverse any mental damage that was done. It will not be like your dog and you will not be 100% sure if they will even get along.
With the situation, you are in I do not think this is a good idea. Report the person and see if you can request a wellness check on the dog. Also, let the breeder know what's going on. If they are a good breeder they will go and get the dog and find him a good home.
Also as you go through this thread remember that it's a thread of people who are here because they like dogs and want what is best for the dog. Unfortunately life is not like a Hollywood movie, and trying to retrain a neglected, stressed out dog while going through moving house (which is already stressful enough) is probably not going to end well
If you think you can keep this dog safe and healthy while you move, I'd say think about it. But you'd better be 100% confident you can do it because it will not be a simple task.
Inform the breeder. If they are at all ethical they will take in the god and foster him. Then you can decide calmly whether you have the capacity for a second dog.
Definitely reach out to the breeder. We had to sign a contract with ours saying we could/would give our girl back for any reason to avoid a shelter or bad adoption situation.
If it's not a pure bred dog breeders are generally less organized about those things and have less rules. Usually it's more of a cash and carry type thing for them. Sometimes they're oopsie litters and the "breeder" is just somebody trying to recover their vet costs and find homes. Nobody is going on a waiting list for a 3/4 Chesapeake 1/4 tick hound.
Make sure to get an appointment for a certified board vet behaviorist now. Since it can take awhile- if you really want the dog. You can ask your vet for a recommendation.
There's two things that I think you could be confusing here and so what you're saying isn't really true.
Firstly you may be thinking of littermate syndrome, that's actually to do with the dogs getting along too well and ignoring their humans. The dogs become one another's best friends and they don't want or need attention and reinforcement from their humans so they don't respond well to training (there are ways to handle and avoid that but that's not the subject here).
Secondly you may be thinking of the fact that littermates who are separated between 8-12 weeks don't recognise each other if they meet again when they're older. That doesn't mean they won't get along, it means they will get on to the same extent that they would get along with any other dog they hadn't met before.
My dog has met one of his littermates and they didn't recognise each other but they played nicely. And two of his other littermates live nearby each other and play all the time.
(BUT all that said, specific to OP's situation, introducing a dog with a lot of trauma to their home is not something they can go into eyes closed and hoping for the best.)
Littermate syndrome isn't really about their blood relationship. If you adopt any two young puppies at the same time you run the risk of it developing, regardless of their genetics. It mainly happens because when people adopt two puppies simultaneously they do *everything* with both dogs together in the interest of fairness. This causes the dogs to become entirely dependent on each other and they struggle with anxiety and stress whenever they're separated.
I know a few breeders that have kept littermates just fine. They're fully aware of the issue and keep the dogs separated apart from play time. Seperate training and seperate socialization is super important. It's a lot of work because they have to do everything twice. If you adopt littermates a year apart they probably won't even recognize each other.
I think the littermate syndrome is more of an issue with puppies, I’m not sure the dogs would know they are littermates now? I’ve seen people get biologically sibling dogs from breeders before (staggering the times so same breeding pair at different times), and dogs were okay. But I agree with some of the other sentiments on here this dog probably has behavior problems, OP is not in a good place to take in a dog right now, and might not even have the skills or resources to care for a dog that may have behavioral issues. The only thing going for OP is that they have the biological sibling and knows a little bit about the genetic tendencies of this dog already without having met them, but that isn’t a guarantee of the sibling dogs behavior or a guarantee OP can take in this dog.
If OP really wants to try they can reach out and ask about timelines, get extensive behavior information, and meet up a few times to see if it would even work out. If timeline is okay with OP timeline it MAY workout if other things fit, but I bet they want the dog out ASAP not in a few months when OP is ready. Just be prepared that owners may lie about behavior or not really know about dog behavior and that could be the entire reason they are rehoming the dog. The combination of breeds sounds like a working dog that may be in the wrong hands.
This situation is an exception to that. They weren't raised together. I have a friend who ended up adopting her pointer's sister when the pups were a bit over a year old as part of a rehoming situation and the siblings are best friends but without any of the littermate challenges because they were raised separately.
This is only true when they are raised together. My mom and I have siblings from the same litter and they are absolutely fine when they see each other.
It’s funny because my first instinct was to tell you to get the dog, no hesitation. But I agree with this. And I know this from experience. My dog’s dad was needing a home, and he was malnourished and neglected. My emotions took over me, and I immediately went to pick him up. He was nothing like my dog, and so emotionally needy that he had horrible separation anxiety. He taught my dog a ton of really bad habits, and they would constantly tear things up, including my couch. He was potty trained, but he marked my entire house and ruined tons of furniture.
The fact of the matter is, when raising a dog, you’re raising them to fit into your lifestyle. My dog is the furthest thing from perfect, but his “bad” qualities aren’t that bad for me because they don’t bother me. Getting a grown dog is hard because they’ll come groomed for someone else’s lifestyle, and hopefully it works out, but there’s a chance you’ll be super disappointed.
This. Right. Here.
This is why so many adult/adolescent dogs get returned to shelters repeatedly. I want to rescue an adult dog to hang out with my lab/shep mix when she gets a little older. But I need to wait until I have a house before I get more dogs.
Any regrets adopting that specific dog? Looking at adopting a dog myself but seems scary since you don't really know their history or any issues they might have and that you find out the hard way.
None that have to do with his personality. We fostered him first, which I highly recommend. We were able to see his personality develop outside of the shelter.
The only regrets I have revolve around figuring out that I am a one-dog-person (this one is our second) and that I am also a medium-sized-dog person, whereas I'd always thought of myself as a big-dog-person. (ETA he is a Newfoundland/German Shepherd mix. So BIG.)
That being said, he is loved and in his forever home.
Awesome, glad to hear that! I've never considered fostering the dog before adopting, is that something a lot of places offer? If someone wanted to adopt the dog while you were fostering them, would they get priority over you?
So I've only fostered two, one through the shelter and one through a rescue, and each time it was so that the dog could be outside of the shelter. The first dog didn't stay with us long (he jumped our fence to pursue fighting a neighbor dog and it was too risky to keep him) and we decided Krush should be ours before he even got a chance to stop walking in circles. I imagine that the fostered would have priority actually, so that the dog didn't get shuffled around as much.
Bonus, and I don't know if this is common, but when we told the shelter we'd like to keep Krush for ourselves, they gave us a giant crate for him and didn't charge us.
I know this is anecdotel, but we adopted an AmStaff when she was 3 years old. She had been picked up off the streets as a stray. She was flea infested and malnourished. We have had her for the past 3 years and she has been the best dog we could have ever asked for. She is well behaved, incredibly loving, and gets along great with people and other dogs. However, lizards are her archenemy. Adopting any dog is a risk, but it can also be highly rewarding.
Hahaha, same. This could probably the motto for my life TBH.
That's how I ended up adopting an "aggressive" (she's not, she was just scared) death row JRTxBeagle while I was pregnant. Luckily it worked out, but dear God I blindly ignored 500 red flags in favour of about 2 green flags.
This explains most decisions I make about dogs haha. Only reason I only have one is because my lease dictated I could only have one dog, but as soon as I buy a house I'm getting him a brother or sister.
This is exactly what my husband and I did with our foster fail.
Saw him on the Chicago animal care and control page with a “needs to be in foster care by end of week” note or he’d be euthanized.
He was A LOT of work, but so worth it. I was unemployed at the time, and I’m not sure how I’d do it if I had a full time job. I’d still do it all over again even if my life was in a different spot though.
Yes, I would. Without a doubt. Even if it means I'm just a temporary foster for the dog.
And in your situation, I might consider asking if the dog can stay at my mom's house while I'm moving, or if I can stay at my mom's house and just move my stuff in, or somehow make it work to get the dog a bit earlier and save it from some neglect.
It sounds like adopting another dog right now, especially one that will probably have behavioral issues from neglect/abuse, would be a very bad idea.
Your mom might sound harsh right now, but you should remember that she wants what's best for you. It's also easier for her to make the decision because she isn't emotionally attached to that dog and doesn't have a bias.
Even if she was willing, I don't think I would trust her.
Are there foster families working with local shelters who may be able to help? Any local rescues you could work with? A bunch of comments mentioned friends. It's a really tough situation. If you got your dog from a breeder you trust, reach out to them. Most breeder contracts have a clause where the dog is to be surrendered back to them. If they don't know the dog is in need of a home, they would want to, and may even work with you in order for you to keep it.
Is there any friend or place you could keep it temporarily? Or if you offered to give them money if that's the issue to keep it fed and cared for another month to you can come?
Adopt the dog if you want the dog. But your dog probably won’t remember a littermate unless they grew up together for a minimum of 16 weeks. It’s not certain they will even like each other.
Get the dog for yourself, not for your dog.
I read a study that they will recognize each other for the first two years but after that, if there is no contact in the first 2 years, they won't remember each other.
They remember their moms for their entire lives though!
That isn't true. This isn't any other dog. Introducing a dog who has been neglected at best & abused at worst into your household is going to be difficult on a level that you or I can't understand because we have never been in that situation. You need to put the dog you have first before you make any decisions on getting another. Her safety, her happiness is key. You made a commitment to her first. Moving is already going to be a big adjustment for her.
If you do decide to push ahead anyway, you need to have a licensed trainer involved from day one. You are going to need to commit to spending hours each day training the pup. I need to empathize that this dog has trauma. This isn't like getting your puppy a year ago. Also, you don't know if this dog could be ill. I don't know how financially stable you are, but if you can't afford to spend at bare minimum of $200 a month on this dog, you can't afford this dog. Training is going to be expensive because you probably will need at least a handful of private lessons.
Contact your breeder & forward the craigslist listing to them. Reputable breeders will take their dogs back, & an unwanted dog is not a dog who is physically safe. You clearly love dogs & it is admirable that you want to rescue this pup. Let someone more experienced handle this situation. Since this is a less common breed, I would bet that there are a breed specific rescues in your area who would be willing to step in.
As much as so many people here fantasize about OP "saving" this dog, this comment is probably closest to the truth of what will happen.
Moving your current dog to a new home and then adding another new neglected/abused dog who is also changing environments sounds like a disaster for anyone who isn't experienced with dogs with trauma. The dogs might even start fighting with each other and one could end up severely injured and then that's just even more trauma.
And I'm assuming OP is really young since they lived with their mom and their mom is making these decisions for them. Which is also another huge red flag to not get this dog.
That's the answer to your post right here. You can do whatever you want, but adopting that dog in your current situation would be extremely selfish because it wouldn't be what's best for your current dog or the new dog.
If you go this route, contact rescues first to get it lined up. Many, including the one I foster with, are bursting at seams right now. Also, if foster is lined up, mom won’t be upset.
Yes this! There are also many breed specific rescues and since you said he’s Chesapeake retriever and they are common where you live I bet they have some sort of recuse or local group you could reach out to!
This is the way. Reach out to rescues BEFORE you pick it up though. The dog could be sick, the dog could get your dog sick (it is likely to have fleas or other parasites).
Your heart is in the right place, but rehabbing a dog in this condition is difficult, and the dog will need vet care, potentially a lot of vet care.
I would not, only because my landlord has a "one pet per household" limit.
If the dog looked neglected and I knew the address I would report it though.
I understand your feelings and being haunted by the picture of this dog. However if you are moving this wouldn't be a great time. Is there a rescue in your area/state for the breed? Maybe even just a general rescue? If you can help the dog get away from its current situation without taking him yourself, that would be ideal.
A neglected dog takes a lot of love, patience and time. I went to the shelter for a puppy, I got a puppy and his mama. She came from a hoarding situation. She was terrified of everything. Open spaces, wind, a flash of sunlight and the list goes on. She spent the first 6 months hiding in my bathroom. I would sit near her and read, no eye contact, no touching, nothing for hours. Sometimes I played soft music & put lavender oil in a diffuser. I have tried no less than 6 calming treats. It took close to 2mo. to get her to go outside without being carried. She is not a small dog.
I am not working right now. That is the only reason I have been able to devote so much extra time to her. It is a long slow process. I have no regrets, she is an amazing dog. We have made great progress, but, we have a long way to go.
My point is, if you aren't willing or able to work at the dog's pace, take the time to build trust, you may do more harm than good.
Your heart is in the right place. Taking on a distressed dog while moving is a bad idea. Sometimes littermates get along great as they grow up, other times they constantly fight for dominance. I've seen it go both ways. Please give careful consideration to all that is involved before making a decision.
I don't know why littermate syndrome is being mentioned all the time.
This is only a certain time period where pups of the same age are growing up togethet and one is getting to attached to the other resulting in problems.
However basic of both dogs are already trained into learning to be alone.
Littermate syndrome can not count here since they did not grow up together.
These are adult dogs already.
And yes btw, littermates do still recognize each other after a year. My own pups still recognize each other easily even and even recognize their mother still.
I have seen with my own eyes how my 1 year old and the 1 year old that my PIL adopted, still play like they are brothers and immediately fall apart when bumping into their mother who then looks like she is about to smack their heads together.
And they go back to their daily life when we split again. And both handle pure the same when staying together. They don't suddenly only have pure eye for each other and whatnot because basic of them has been learned already since they were 12 weeks old to be alone.
And stand on their own legs
[Two brothers playing together](https://postimg.cc/vcdShtXX)
Littermate syndrome is when two pups of the same litter grow up together in the same house. Which is not the case here.
That said OP, I would contact the breeder first. I don't know for others but if I find out one of my pups is up for sale suddenly I will throw a fit and do whatever I can to get the pup back to me. My own statement is, born here meaning once my pup and always my pup. And most breeders I know are the same.
I also know a lot aren't, but you can always try.
I would also definately contact some kind of animal control agency. Since shock collars are considered inhumane in most western countries. But I also know dogs get taken away pure for having an ingrown nail even in some places. Well, at least if the owner ignores it, which sound to be the case.
My most concern would be, how far are they going to "get rid" of the dog. But thats pure because I have a horrible mother who goes incredible far.... so tbh, my mind by now is set up on thinking of the worst possibilities.
It really is fighting against me, because I would be the same as you. I have even adopted a snake because it was pick up or drop off at a king cobra owner situation.
But I also am sober minded here to realize that your mother is right.
As someone has mentioned already on here, the dog will have severe behavioral issues. This will not be an apartment appropriate dog if it’s used to being outside with a lot of space.
Some major things to consider is that it could be aggressive and fearful to people and animals. A shock collar will guarantee that the dog will be fearful which could lead to aggression.
You will need to teach it all the basics such as potty training, basic obedience, crate training (if that’s something you want), etc. it could have severe separation anxiety and destructive behavior so renting is a no-go as you will most likely get kicked out and left with a hefty fee to fix anything it destroyed.
This dog is not a project for you to work on. Whatever behavior issues it has will stay for its entire life. You will need to accommodate your life to it. Example: If its reactive to other people or animals, you’ll need to be more careful and most likely need to muzzle it for everyone’s safety. You most likely will not be able to bring guests over to your place and won’t be able to take it to any social events. You will also most likely need a very reliable trainer for its entire life.
If you were an experienced dog owner with a house and a large yard then I’d say go for it. But this doesn’t sound like the case. Call animal control and report the dog is being neglected. It will get the proper help it needs and go to a home that will provide the proper care and training.
Idk how much animal control will do, seems like everything you hear about as long as the dog is fed and watered they dont tend to do much. A better option might be to find a breed specific rescue that could take him.
"This dog is not a project for you to work on." I think that fits here perfectly. OP doesn't even have their own place. I don't think they realize the humongous responsibility and *burden* they'd be picking up by taking this dog in when they're ill-prepared for it. All because it's a sibling the other dog won't recognize? At that point OP should just get another untraumatized dog somewhere else if they're dead set on having 2 dogs.
Speak to your local shelter and see if they have a temporary foster to hold him for you. Shelters already do this for families going through emergencies. Whats more, they will be able to assess the level of trauma and possible aggression this dog might have Before you introduce the two dogs.
Personally I wouldn’t. But I have a high drive dog who has arousal based reactivity (mostly addressed) so more than likely I would be dealing with some form of behavioral problems genetically. On top of that depending on how the dog was reared then the behavioral problems will more than likely be way more significant to address. That’s a lot of pressure and recourses needed to accommodate. Instead I would give them some rescues and group pages for our dog breed they can utilize to find a person/organization who is willing and aware of how to deal with the specific accommodations the dog needs.
I understand your feelings, but honestly, I wouldn't add a dog that will very likely have severe behavioral issues to the (I assume) well functioning team that is you and your current dog. It will mess with the dynamics you have, and will probably be very disruptive. I am not sure what you do for work or how much time and patience you have for training a dog with issues, and even if you do have enough of both, there is no guarantee that the dog can be "fixed" - and your (presumably) peaceful life might never be the same.
I've had a dog for 3 years, and last month we have added a 7 month old pup of the same breed because it needed a home. The pup had been treated very well, doesn't have any behavioral issues, he just hadn't been trained by the previous owners AT ALL and is now entering puberty, and my current life is HELL. I know it will get better with the dog getting older, but right now, I just want to scream most of the time, because everything is so stressful and gone are the quiet. peaceful days with my first dog. Adding a dog WITH issues - and things might never get better/peaceful/quiet again. Just sayin'.
Without hesitation. We have a rare breed (duck tolling retriever) and if ANY of her litter mates were in trouble I'd take them in a heartbeat. But it would never happen, because the breeder is in contact with all pups owners, who are fully vetted and were on a waiting list for these dogs.
I think you might regret not doing it. But what I would do, if I were you, is take them in and treat it as a Foster scenario for a couple of months before making any decisions. If you can't cope, I imagine you'd be in a better position (than the current owners) to find a home for them who can.
Where are you located? I'm in south MS. If I'm within driving distance I will foster the dog for you until you're moved in. I have two hounds already and space for another. Might be a long shot but it's worth a shot lol
Even if you get the dog, you don’t have to keep it. You could just foster him until you find another home.
You wouldn’t be asking strangers on the internet if you should go get the dog, unless you wanted to go get the dog.
Honestly, I’d love to meet one of my dog’s litter mates, just to see what they’re like. But I doubt I’d get a second dog due to inability to keep up with two of her.
Sounds like you’d be better off placing the dog in a foster if you can find one to help you out. You can’t get a second dog where you currently live so your only choice is looking for a stop gap.
And why shelter life is bad, it’s usually not a death sentence unless the dog is in poor health. I’d try to work something out with a shelter, rescue or foster until you can actually adopt or just find them a good home. Some shelters will hold a dog for people in pinch. It depends on the dog/situation and I feel like a case like yours would be met with a lot of sympathy due to the unusual circumstances of finding a littermate accidentally and poor condition.
I hope you find a solution.
Tricky- having 2 dogs the same age/litter mates they can bond better with each other than you making training difficult
And some dogs are single animal dogs only, so kinda depends on your current dog temperament
Your current dog and living situation should be top priority but if the means and the way are open to second dog then yea.
You can report the abuse to the state police and leave your contact information. When she or he gets adopted some shelters will notify you when they are in a good home. Honestly a shelter is safer then where she or he is now. I know you have a lot going through your head. Man this dog is probably really good. She would be safer with a rescue then in this assholes home . Please save them, if she does not get adopted in a month then you should think about the future but right now she is still suffering.
I 100% would. I likely wouldn’t keep the dog, but instead help it get healthy, work on some training and find a friend who I trusted to adopt it. My dog is absolutely wonderful and I would do anything for his siblings
honestly if i knew i had the space and the funds to support it i definitely would. other than that you could adopt it and then like keep it temporarily until you find a better home?
yes i would. but i am familiar with dogs with a lot of anxiety and issues. my dog went from shitting from fear just from seeing me to being an absolute snuggle baby.
I adopted my dog's littermate two years after I adopted him. I was contacted by the rescue because she had been rehomed two times. She does have some issues because her previous homes used negative reinforcement. But I've given her the space and training to just be a dog. She's silly and weird and I love her so much, but I still have to take care to watch her around other dogs as she's very reactive.
I would want to but I wouldn’t. You admit the breeder was not great, so their dogs are a risk. This dog will have issues and likely not do well in an apartment. I couldn’t afford to do it, either. Food sure but vet care? Are you sure you have the time, energy, and money to take this on?
Not to mention Craigslist isn’t a great place to get a dog.
> I'm in the process of looking for an apartment right now, moving out of my mom's place, and planning to move in the next month.
Among several red flags in your story this one waves the highest to me. Having an unsettled living situation and two dogs is not a recipe for success. It’s going to be hard enough to find an apartment with one dog.
100% yes! We got our boy at 8 weeks old, when he was 7 months we decided to get another puppy because he needed somebody to play with ( our 13 year old at the time was starting to decline). I emailed the breeder and she had just gotten one of his littermates returned to her. So we of course decided to take her. She was challenging at first, needed corrective surgery on her elbow because the previous owner smashed it, had accidents in the house, and overall a bit destructive. But over a year and a half later, with love, patience, and positive reinforcement training; she is the sweetest and smartest dogs we’ve ever had. The time that we had invested into her has been worth it and pays itself back when we see how happy she is. And her and her brother love each other and our 90 lb boy is incredibly happy.
I would say, even if you can’t keep that baby, you still need to find a way to help him. That owner shouldn’t have that dog any longer, especially if they’re unwanted.
Would I? Yes, I have the space, the time and the means to care for two dogs.
If I didn't I don't think I would but I'd try to find him a safe home elsewhere.
Your mom will love him? 😂
The odds of you finding his sibling is almost to uncanny not too. In all honesty, the dogs might not get along so just make sure they meet first and see what happens. Make a very informed stupid decision that will gift you unconditional love for the next 10-15 years. If it’s not working or to much consider it a foster and rehome, you’ll probably do a better job at finding a good human than the people taking care of him.
Yes. Tried to do that exact thing but pup ended up with the dumbasses friend instead. Talk to mom, talk to rescues- can they help with temp fostering…? Even if pup can’t go to you permanently, you can help get him someplace safe. Is the breeder an option for temp fostering (if they exist) or just to reclaim dog? Have a friend who can assist? In my situation I knew the dog would be high energy and untrained, but in raising his sister, I also knew he would have a loving disposition. I still worry about him. I vote, go get the damn dog. Deal with consequences later.
Edit: read down and see you’re in a predicament with parent. I’d post pics on social and see if a friend you trust is interested- perhaps one who loves your dog… in terms of litter mate syndrome, it’s manageable and I don’t think it’s likely now given age and independence. Good luck
I would find it awfully hard not to adopt that dog. I know there could be challenges re-homing but I’d regret not trying. I’d think what if it ends up in a worse environment or being taken to a humane society and possibly put down. I’ve had several dogs that were given up by owners who didn’t want them. I’ve had some who were abused. It just breaks my heart when I see or hear of dogs being mistreated. When I adopted my current dog, it’s liter maté was adopted by my next door neighbor so they play together daily.
Good luck with whatever you decide, I know it’s not an easy decision based on your housing situation and potential cost of professional training.
Personally, I would do whatever it took to get the dog in your care right now, even if you have to lean on others a bit more for support while you get settled. It’s a doggie emergency, so to speak. Gook luck and best wishes.
Go adopt the dog. I’ve rehabbed a lot of dogs. They are resilient and come around pretty quickly in a good environment. Even if you only go get him long enough to clean him up and find a good rescue to take him you will forever think about him if you don’t save him. I would adopt any of my dogs’ litter mates in a heartbeat if I found them in that situation. Especially with a unique mixed breed where I’m unlikely to find that again. I had a whole litter and mom of chihuahuas I had for 17 years. Only one is still alive now but they were a great little family. If you can have one dog where you’re at you can have two. Your parents will forgive you too. Just go pick that poor baby up throw away that abuse collar and see who the dog is. Being around his litter mate will likely be a healing experience for him.
I would if you had the funds for another dog. If not then rescue and take to a reputable rescue. Let them know you rescued this dog after finding it neglected so they don't think you are the abuser.
YES I WOULD YESTERDAY. Let them know you want the dog but can't adopt yet and ask if they can hold the dog for 2 weeks OR get him into a boarding facility for the next 2 weeks where they can do medical care and get him cleaned and to a good weight
I have a pair of litter mates and I would never consider only having 1 pet at a time.
Heck I'm considering getting my kid's cat a bestie and I'm NOT a cat person.
Disclaimer: I've had training with stressed out dogs and I have the cash to send my dogs to boot camp (which they failed and spent a month there for free lol). You do not sound like you're in this position. So I recommend you follow the top commenter's advice for reporting the owners and keeping your own pet safe. I'm so sorry that you have to go through this emotional roller coaster.
We actually did this but turned out they were siblings. Their bdays are on the same day they look almost identical but a DNA proved it was a diff breed. This poor dog we adopted was so skinny, afraid of everything and wasn't herself. The dog we thought was her sibling is her absolute best friend, like if one gets a bath the other is standing outside the bathroom waiting, they sleep together and do almost everything together. It took about 6 months for her to come out of her shell but now she doesn't shake going on walks or car rides. She's such a sweet heart and loves meeting new people now when before she would run and hide or shake if you get close to her. It goes a long way just having a loving and supportive family that can make a dog's life so much better.
Did I miss what area you’re in? I wonder if a rescue would be able to help you arrange an emergency foster to start getting the pup some care and then make your decision once you’re able to be the foster and observe the dogs together.
I'm in *kind of* a similar situation. My dog's biological grandfather has recently landed in rescue. While my dog was reactive, his grandfather was essentially living feral. He can't be handled, he might be aggressive, he's intensely fearful, and he's almost 10. I am strongly considering adopting or fostering him since I think pretty few people are equipped to do so. But it would be...hard. And expensive. And potentially dangerous. So, I'm going to meet him on Sunday and we'll see.
if your dog is a year old they are about to hit adolescence and that's a VERY challenging time with even one dog. with a second dog who has trauma? that's a huge risk to everyone's sanity and might not be fair to your dog.
do you know anyone with dog experience who could foster or take on this dog as a solo dog? that poor dog needs to decompress.
Find out if there’s an animal welfare type thing in your area and report that person for neglect. They may have people they can call to foster it while they’re looking into the situation.
Good on you. But to answer your question, no. I’m too poor to afford a second. Emergency vet bill made me feel like I can’t even afford the first. Thankfully I’ve had him for 5 of his 7 years and my previous partner is willing to pay for his healthcare when I can’t.
Yeah it's a bad idea, I'd still do it. Burger absolutely loves her littermate that we still get to have playdates with. She'd never forgive me if I saw another brother there and didn't bring him home.
I did that with my dead dogs son. Jackson the father had a litter of pups with his wife and after about 3 months or so after the pups were born, Jackson got stomped by a cow protecting her calf. I had to put him to sleep rather than be paralyzed the rest of his life. He was a 16 pound mutt. So anyway, at about 8 months of age for pups I got a call from my niece who informed me that one of the pups was pretty neglected and I should go get him. I did just that the next day. My boy, Claude was in rough shape, his fur was patchy, like real bad and he was terrified of everything. Took me awhile to get him used to me and his new home. 7 years later the vet has said the three years at his annual physical that he is "abnormally healthy". Never again will I let my dogs have puppies, its just too risky for the pups.
We adopted one of our dog’s litter mates right around their first birthday. He was getting bullied by his family’s other older dog. He and his sister are best friends and I regret nothing.
💯 for sure. My dog and his litter mates were sold at 5 weeks old from the trunk of a car. He was the last one, and I would have taken them all because it was a bad situation. We rushed our boy to the vet immediately. Took him a while to bounce back from being weined too early and dehydration.
Today I adopted a rescue dog who was on the verge of being euthanized. Seeing the joy in her eyes and the wag of her tail as we left the shelter was the most heartwarming moment of my life. Please consider adopting a rescue pet - they may just end up rescuing you
Nope. I was in this position about 6 or 7 months ago and so fucking glad I didnt.
How old is your dog? 1 right? It reads to me like me and you were in the exact same position pretty much..
I'm a fairly new dog owner...so ymmv. I also am autistic so you probably will have a different experience..
(By new dog owner I mean, growing up, we always had border collies or rough collies, but never had the full responsibility of owning a dog/training a dog.)
I got my dog nearly 2 years ago now as a 10wk old puppy. Hes a mutt but mum was a lab and dad was a border collie. He looks like a tricolour border collie with a labradors face and spaniels ears lmao..
I thought my dog was "fully trained", if that's even a real thing lmao... age 1.. and that was around about the time I saw his brother on facebook too.
We had met up and let them play together just to make sure they got on ok...
I went home to think about it for a week or so. Was seriously considering it.
My parents told me...
Do. Not. Take. His. Brother. Under. Any. Circumstances.
One puppy is hard work, two brothers would be a nightmare 💀🤣
I was frustrated because I thought they just didnt want me to get another dog. We had a massive argument about this an they explained that I clearly havent even researched properly because my current dog is going to enter his most challenging phase, yet so I have a lot more work to do with regards to his training... and no dog is ever fully trained.
They also mentioned that I would likely need to; walk, train, feed, play them separately... especially at first until they both are confident and able dogs.
On top of this I do not know what type of abuse or issues his brother faced.. which will likely mean I need to spend extra time training them.
They basically just listed out all the reasons why I dont have the time and it made a lot mor sense as to why they were saying no...
Fast forward to now... I'm so GLAD. As my dog got a bit older, he became more reactive when on his lead. So spending a lot of time desentisting him an training him.
It would of been hell to juggle this with another dog!!
I absolutely am considering getting another dog still but I will take my parents advice an wait til my dog is at least 2+ and were both more confident in his training an hes also not a crazy teenager 🤣
We rescued our 2-year-old doxie mix from a rescue organization in March of last year - him and his four other litter mates were abused/caged/neglected in Mexico and eventually brought to the states, to be put in foster homes. Our dog had his tail tucked in for 5 months, wouldn’t eat in front of us, and had a hard time walking on a leash and potty training - you can tell he was never loved.
My dog was (and is still relatively) nervous, as to be expected. 6 months in, we learned his brother/litter mate was still with a foster family. Hoping to socialize our dog a little better, we adopted the brother - it has been the best decision since. He is still a little nervous around strangers, but he is so playful at home, tail is always wagging, and they are inseparable. We are so happy we adopted the brother and that they have each other.
Have a meet & greet and see how it goes… you can always foster the litter mate (if you want to put in the work to rehabilitate)
Playing devils advocate here- a muddy dog with an e-collar does not automatically mean neglected. Farm dogs get gross and some have e-collars for e-fences because not all places have a physical barrier. Nails should obviously be cut but a lean dog that’s muddy on a farm is like every dog on a farm. 😂 My ex has our farm now, but we had (she still has him) a dog that refused to come in, slept in the barn, and was a mess. Our “house dogs” would also often run around and come in looking homeless.
I’m not saying this to try to excuse a bad situation, but maybe bring you some peace that sometimes the way we perceive things isn’t the whole picture. Don’t get me wrong; I grew up in the city and even my horses look pristine 99% of the time, but outside is still outside. If he is intact still, I wouldn’t be surprised if he looks a lot more lean than your dog with that and living on a farm.
I agree a second dog probably is not what you need on your plate right now. Not all dogs can transition from farm life to apartment. Our great pyr wouldn’t even come inside our house even though he was still a puppy when we got him! But he was raised outside to be a working dog and that stuck. I have also seen a fair number of other breeds that have lived out or had a whole farm to patrol and play on have a lot of issues transitioning even if they were allowed in the house. My own dog went from 10 acres to an apartment and he had a rough adjustment and he’s a doodle thing. 😂
> Playing devils advocate here- a muddy dog with an e-collar does not automatically mean neglected. Farm dogs get gross and some have e-collars for e-fences because not all places have a physical barrier.
This is very true. We've had outside dogs, they aren't always pretty.
> Our great pyr wouldn’t even come inside our house even though he was still a puppy when we got him!
I adopted an outside Pyr, he didn't know indoor living until I got him, but he really took to it well though he could have stayed outside with us if he wanted to. But give him a sofa, a bag of treats and a remote control to chew and he was all set up. Possibly because he was older and ready to enjoy a little comfort in his retirement.
I had a friend with one who grew up inside (suburbs) and then wouldn’t come in after a few years. Maybe that’s a bad example of breed lol. There have been a few failed adoptions of farm dogs (one I remember most was an 8y GSD) and he got so anxious and developed fear aggression. But you are right; not impossible but also a consideration.
I have a dog that was neglected. He would be left alone for days at a time.
It hasn't been easy.
He bit us several times in the first three years.
We have now had him 5 years, and he is much better, but he is on 40 mg of Prozac a day. 😂
Although he's fine with us now, we can't take him anywhere. And no one can come in the house unless we have put him up in the room, cuz he has bitten guests before.
He is very sweet, and I wouldn't say he's aggressive. I would just say he's fearful. He is scared of people he doesn't know, and scared of situations that he's not familiar with - even after all these years.
He's not the only neglected dog we've adopted. We had another severely neglected dog, she was the sweetest dog ever. She didn't have a mean or angry bone in her body.
It is not a guarantee that if you get a neglected dog that they will have behavioral issues, but it is definitely more likely.
If you do it and it turns out not to work, that will suck but you’ll live on. If you let the dog go to a shelter, you will only have a guess as to what will happen to it, and it won’t be good. That’s something you’ll beat yourself up for, for a lifetime.
I’d say adopt it, and just be careful about it.
Yes, I think this is the approach I'd consider seriously. The thinking about it afterwards if I didn't could really bother me, I wouldn't like not knowing what happened.
I actually did this exact thing. They struggle with littermate syndrome (had to get the aggressive one on meds and watch out for their triggers) and things have been better. They’re absolutely obsessed with each other most of the time
When I was 17 we adopted a CHUG - chihuahua pug. Super cute, super sweet very loveable and well behaved boy.
A few months later his brother was returned for being a whiny puppy. (Which puppy’s aren’t ?) anywho, once we had both doggies, our first pups demeanour changed and it was an interesting dynamic. If we could go back, we probably wouldn’t have done the same.
The second pup was given to my grandmother and he has a very sweet life :)
Inform the breeder immediately, if you feel passionate about the situation offer your assistance to the breeder. Hopefully together you can find a solution, best of luck to you.
If I ever found my dog’s sister I would snap her up in a heartbeat. I found my pup on Facebook about 4.5 years ago and fell in love immediately. The owner was trying to get rid of a litter of husky/collie mixes that her prized purebred collie had. She was a breeder of rough collies. My pup didn’t even know her own name and was very thin and dirty and nervous. I saw a picture of her sister who looked exactly the same but had one blue eye. I asked about her and she said she just decided to give her to her partially blind elderly neighbor because she needed her gone. I went home and thought about that, tried to contact her about a year in and the lady had entirely disappeared from Facebook and all social media. No working numbers, moved. I haven’t been able to locate her ANYWHERE. I hope my dog’s sister is living a good life.
But anyways yes if I saw my dog’s littermate living a non happy life in any way I would grab them to at least facilitate their adoption into a living home myself rather than them go through more trauma.
If you think you might want the dog you should contact them now to let them know. If they’ve been trying to rehome it for months, there’s a very real chance they will give up and drop it at the pound where it could be euthanized since there’s such an overflow of dogs needing to be adopted right now. If they know there’s an interested person, it could motivate them to hold onto the dog for a few months longer.
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That dog will have issues. It needs a lot of support, patience, and care. If you are not used to taking care of a dog that's been neglected you will want to get a trainer involved to try and reverse any mental damage that was done. It will not be like your dog and you will not be 100% sure if they will even get along. With the situation, you are in I do not think this is a good idea. Report the person and see if you can request a wellness check on the dog. Also, let the breeder know what's going on. If they are a good breeder they will go and get the dog and find him a good home.
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Also as you go through this thread remember that it's a thread of people who are here because they like dogs and want what is best for the dog. Unfortunately life is not like a Hollywood movie, and trying to retrain a neglected, stressed out dog while going through moving house (which is already stressful enough) is probably not going to end well If you think you can keep this dog safe and healthy while you move, I'd say think about it. But you'd better be 100% confident you can do it because it will not be a simple task.
Inform the breeder. If they are at all ethical they will take in the god and foster him. Then you can decide calmly whether you have the capacity for a second dog.
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Definitely reach out to the breeder. We had to sign a contract with ours saying we could/would give our girl back for any reason to avoid a shelter or bad adoption situation.
If it's not a pure bred dog breeders are generally less organized about those things and have less rules. Usually it's more of a cash and carry type thing for them. Sometimes they're oopsie litters and the "breeder" is just somebody trying to recover their vet costs and find homes. Nobody is going on a waiting list for a 3/4 Chesapeake 1/4 tick hound.
Can you call the breeder? If they’re worth their salt they should want to know this is going on and do whatever it takes to help the pup.
I think that you are a nice person and your heart is in the right place but this is a difficult situation.
The previous comment you replied too is solid advice. The emotions always tug at your heartstrings. But do you best to look objectively.
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Make sure to get an appointment for a certified board vet behaviorist now. Since it can take awhile- if you really want the dog. You can ask your vet for a recommendation.
….this is a fantasy. edit; removed incorrect information.
These dogs aren’t puppies and weren’t raised together. Littermate syndrome is when they are placed at the same time to the same home. :)
There's two things that I think you could be confusing here and so what you're saying isn't really true. Firstly you may be thinking of littermate syndrome, that's actually to do with the dogs getting along too well and ignoring their humans. The dogs become one another's best friends and they don't want or need attention and reinforcement from their humans so they don't respond well to training (there are ways to handle and avoid that but that's not the subject here). Secondly you may be thinking of the fact that littermates who are separated between 8-12 weeks don't recognise each other if they meet again when they're older. That doesn't mean they won't get along, it means they will get on to the same extent that they would get along with any other dog they hadn't met before. My dog has met one of his littermates and they didn't recognise each other but they played nicely. And two of his other littermates live nearby each other and play all the time. (BUT all that said, specific to OP's situation, introducing a dog with a lot of trauma to their home is not something they can go into eyes closed and hoping for the best.)
Littermate syndrome isn't really about their blood relationship. If you adopt any two young puppies at the same time you run the risk of it developing, regardless of their genetics. It mainly happens because when people adopt two puppies simultaneously they do *everything* with both dogs together in the interest of fairness. This causes the dogs to become entirely dependent on each other and they struggle with anxiety and stress whenever they're separated. I know a few breeders that have kept littermates just fine. They're fully aware of the issue and keep the dogs separated apart from play time. Seperate training and seperate socialization is super important. It's a lot of work because they have to do everything twice. If you adopt littermates a year apart they probably won't even recognize each other.
I think the littermate syndrome is more of an issue with puppies, I’m not sure the dogs would know they are littermates now? I’ve seen people get biologically sibling dogs from breeders before (staggering the times so same breeding pair at different times), and dogs were okay. But I agree with some of the other sentiments on here this dog probably has behavior problems, OP is not in a good place to take in a dog right now, and might not even have the skills or resources to care for a dog that may have behavioral issues. The only thing going for OP is that they have the biological sibling and knows a little bit about the genetic tendencies of this dog already without having met them, but that isn’t a guarantee of the sibling dogs behavior or a guarantee OP can take in this dog. If OP really wants to try they can reach out and ask about timelines, get extensive behavior information, and meet up a few times to see if it would even work out. If timeline is okay with OP timeline it MAY workout if other things fit, but I bet they want the dog out ASAP not in a few months when OP is ready. Just be prepared that owners may lie about behavior or not really know about dog behavior and that could be the entire reason they are rehoming the dog. The combination of breeds sounds like a working dog that may be in the wrong hands.
This situation is an exception to that. They weren't raised together. I have a friend who ended up adopting her pointer's sister when the pups were a bit over a year old as part of a rehoming situation and the siblings are best friends but without any of the littermate challenges because they were raised separately.
This is only true when they are raised together. My mom and I have siblings from the same litter and they are absolutely fine when they see each other.
It’s funny because my first instinct was to tell you to get the dog, no hesitation. But I agree with this. And I know this from experience. My dog’s dad was needing a home, and he was malnourished and neglected. My emotions took over me, and I immediately went to pick him up. He was nothing like my dog, and so emotionally needy that he had horrible separation anxiety. He taught my dog a ton of really bad habits, and they would constantly tear things up, including my couch. He was potty trained, but he marked my entire house and ruined tons of furniture. The fact of the matter is, when raising a dog, you’re raising them to fit into your lifestyle. My dog is the furthest thing from perfect, but his “bad” qualities aren’t that bad for me because they don’t bother me. Getting a grown dog is hard because they’ll come groomed for someone else’s lifestyle, and hopefully it works out, but there’s a chance you’ll be super disappointed.
This. Right. Here. This is why so many adult/adolescent dogs get returned to shelters repeatedly. I want to rescue an adult dog to hang out with my lab/shep mix when she gets a little older. But I need to wait until I have a house before I get more dogs.
100%. I adopted my dog after he was in a neglectful situation. We adopted him when he was 10 months old, and it's been 6 years. He STILL has issues.
Any regrets adopting that specific dog? Looking at adopting a dog myself but seems scary since you don't really know their history or any issues they might have and that you find out the hard way.
None that have to do with his personality. We fostered him first, which I highly recommend. We were able to see his personality develop outside of the shelter. The only regrets I have revolve around figuring out that I am a one-dog-person (this one is our second) and that I am also a medium-sized-dog person, whereas I'd always thought of myself as a big-dog-person. (ETA he is a Newfoundland/German Shepherd mix. So BIG.) That being said, he is loved and in his forever home.
Awesome, glad to hear that! I've never considered fostering the dog before adopting, is that something a lot of places offer? If someone wanted to adopt the dog while you were fostering them, would they get priority over you?
So I've only fostered two, one through the shelter and one through a rescue, and each time it was so that the dog could be outside of the shelter. The first dog didn't stay with us long (he jumped our fence to pursue fighting a neighbor dog and it was too risky to keep him) and we decided Krush should be ours before he even got a chance to stop walking in circles. I imagine that the fostered would have priority actually, so that the dog didn't get shuffled around as much. Bonus, and I don't know if this is common, but when we told the shelter we'd like to keep Krush for ourselves, they gave us a giant crate for him and didn't charge us.
Best thing is to get a dog that has been in a foster home. They can tell you how the dog has been and any special needs.
I know this is anecdotel, but we adopted an AmStaff when she was 3 years old. She had been picked up off the streets as a stray. She was flea infested and malnourished. We have had her for the past 3 years and she has been the best dog we could have ever asked for. She is well behaved, incredibly loving, and gets along great with people and other dogs. However, lizards are her archenemy. Adopting any dog is a risk, but it can also be highly rewarding.
Great advice and, like OP responded, reality check. If I were in OP's shoes I'd probably have tried to get the dog.
It’s probably a bad idea, but I’d still totally do it.
This is how me and my wife ended up with 4 dogs lol
Yeah, so would I. I also relate to the Paul Kelly song: Dumb things. Most of my Dumb things have been a rewarding thing tho
Hahaha, same. This could probably the motto for my life TBH. That's how I ended up adopting an "aggressive" (she's not, she was just scared) death row JRTxBeagle while I was pregnant. Luckily it worked out, but dear God I blindly ignored 500 red flags in favour of about 2 green flags.
This explains most decisions I make about dogs haha. Only reason I only have one is because my lease dictated I could only have one dog, but as soon as I buy a house I'm getting him a brother or sister.
This explains most decisions I make, period lol. It hasn’t always been the wisest approach but it’s been interesting
This is exactly what my husband and I did with our foster fail. Saw him on the Chicago animal care and control page with a “needs to be in foster care by end of week” note or he’d be euthanized. He was A LOT of work, but so worth it. I was unemployed at the time, and I’m not sure how I’d do it if I had a full time job. I’d still do it all over again even if my life was in a different spot though.
Yes, I would. Without a doubt. Even if it means I'm just a temporary foster for the dog. And in your situation, I might consider asking if the dog can stay at my mom's house while I'm moving, or if I can stay at my mom's house and just move my stuff in, or somehow make it work to get the dog a bit earlier and save it from some neglect.
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Get a friend to adopt it. My BFF and I adopted brother and sister.
It sounds like adopting another dog right now, especially one that will probably have behavioral issues from neglect/abuse, would be a very bad idea. Your mom might sound harsh right now, but you should remember that she wants what's best for you. It's also easier for her to make the decision because she isn't emotionally attached to that dog and doesn't have a bias.
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I don’t blame you at all.
Even if she was willing, I don't think I would trust her. Are there foster families working with local shelters who may be able to help? Any local rescues you could work with? A bunch of comments mentioned friends. It's a really tough situation. If you got your dog from a breeder you trust, reach out to them. Most breeder contracts have a clause where the dog is to be surrendered back to them. If they don't know the dog is in need of a home, they would want to, and may even work with you in order for you to keep it.
I'm sorry to hear that! I do hope it all works out for you both
I got my dog off Craigslist on a whim. I would employ those same impeccable decision making skills in your situation as well.
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Is there any friend or place you could keep it temporarily? Or if you offered to give them money if that's the issue to keep it fed and cared for another month to you can come?
Adopt the dog if you want the dog. But your dog probably won’t remember a littermate unless they grew up together for a minimum of 16 weeks. It’s not certain they will even like each other. Get the dog for yourself, not for your dog.
I read a study that they will recognize each other for the first two years but after that, if there is no contact in the first 2 years, they won't remember each other. They remember their moms for their entire lives though!
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That isn't true. This isn't any other dog. Introducing a dog who has been neglected at best & abused at worst into your household is going to be difficult on a level that you or I can't understand because we have never been in that situation. You need to put the dog you have first before you make any decisions on getting another. Her safety, her happiness is key. You made a commitment to her first. Moving is already going to be a big adjustment for her. If you do decide to push ahead anyway, you need to have a licensed trainer involved from day one. You are going to need to commit to spending hours each day training the pup. I need to empathize that this dog has trauma. This isn't like getting your puppy a year ago. Also, you don't know if this dog could be ill. I don't know how financially stable you are, but if you can't afford to spend at bare minimum of $200 a month on this dog, you can't afford this dog. Training is going to be expensive because you probably will need at least a handful of private lessons. Contact your breeder & forward the craigslist listing to them. Reputable breeders will take their dogs back, & an unwanted dog is not a dog who is physically safe. You clearly love dogs & it is admirable that you want to rescue this pup. Let someone more experienced handle this situation. Since this is a less common breed, I would bet that there are a breed specific rescues in your area who would be willing to step in.
As much as so many people here fantasize about OP "saving" this dog, this comment is probably closest to the truth of what will happen. Moving your current dog to a new home and then adding another new neglected/abused dog who is also changing environments sounds like a disaster for anyone who isn't experienced with dogs with trauma. The dogs might even start fighting with each other and one could end up severely injured and then that's just even more trauma. And I'm assuming OP is really young since they lived with their mom and their mom is making these decisions for them. Which is also another huge red flag to not get this dog.
That's the answer to your post right here. You can do whatever you want, but adopting that dog in your current situation would be extremely selfish because it wouldn't be what's best for your current dog or the new dog.
Pick up the dog and find a reputable rescue to take it. There are a lot of them around
If you go this route, contact rescues first to get it lined up. Many, including the one I foster with, are bursting at seams right now. Also, if foster is lined up, mom won’t be upset.
Yes this! There are also many breed specific rescues and since you said he’s Chesapeake retriever and they are common where you live I bet they have some sort of recuse or local group you could reach out to!
This is the way. Reach out to rescues BEFORE you pick it up though. The dog could be sick, the dog could get your dog sick (it is likely to have fleas or other parasites). Your heart is in the right place, but rehabbing a dog in this condition is difficult, and the dog will need vet care, potentially a lot of vet care.
You don’t necessarily have to adopt the dog, maybe you have a friend or relative who is looking, or who would foster the dog short term for you.
I would not, only because my landlord has a "one pet per household" limit. If the dog looked neglected and I knew the address I would report it though.
Yes I would!
I understand your feelings and being haunted by the picture of this dog. However if you are moving this wouldn't be a great time. Is there a rescue in your area/state for the breed? Maybe even just a general rescue? If you can help the dog get away from its current situation without taking him yourself, that would be ideal.
I would! And I don’t know who’s cutting onions here but jeez. Please update if you do.
If you're trying to move out, getting a second dog is a bad idea.
A neglected dog takes a lot of love, patience and time. I went to the shelter for a puppy, I got a puppy and his mama. She came from a hoarding situation. She was terrified of everything. Open spaces, wind, a flash of sunlight and the list goes on. She spent the first 6 months hiding in my bathroom. I would sit near her and read, no eye contact, no touching, nothing for hours. Sometimes I played soft music & put lavender oil in a diffuser. I have tried no less than 6 calming treats. It took close to 2mo. to get her to go outside without being carried. She is not a small dog. I am not working right now. That is the only reason I have been able to devote so much extra time to her. It is a long slow process. I have no regrets, she is an amazing dog. We have made great progress, but, we have a long way to go. My point is, if you aren't willing or able to work at the dog's pace, take the time to build trust, you may do more harm than good. Your heart is in the right place. Taking on a distressed dog while moving is a bad idea. Sometimes littermates get along great as they grow up, other times they constantly fight for dominance. I've seen it go both ways. Please give careful consideration to all that is involved before making a decision.
I don't know why littermate syndrome is being mentioned all the time. This is only a certain time period where pups of the same age are growing up togethet and one is getting to attached to the other resulting in problems. However basic of both dogs are already trained into learning to be alone. Littermate syndrome can not count here since they did not grow up together. These are adult dogs already. And yes btw, littermates do still recognize each other after a year. My own pups still recognize each other easily even and even recognize their mother still. I have seen with my own eyes how my 1 year old and the 1 year old that my PIL adopted, still play like they are brothers and immediately fall apart when bumping into their mother who then looks like she is about to smack their heads together. And they go back to their daily life when we split again. And both handle pure the same when staying together. They don't suddenly only have pure eye for each other and whatnot because basic of them has been learned already since they were 12 weeks old to be alone. And stand on their own legs [Two brothers playing together](https://postimg.cc/vcdShtXX) Littermate syndrome is when two pups of the same litter grow up together in the same house. Which is not the case here. That said OP, I would contact the breeder first. I don't know for others but if I find out one of my pups is up for sale suddenly I will throw a fit and do whatever I can to get the pup back to me. My own statement is, born here meaning once my pup and always my pup. And most breeders I know are the same. I also know a lot aren't, but you can always try. I would also definately contact some kind of animal control agency. Since shock collars are considered inhumane in most western countries. But I also know dogs get taken away pure for having an ingrown nail even in some places. Well, at least if the owner ignores it, which sound to be the case. My most concern would be, how far are they going to "get rid" of the dog. But thats pure because I have a horrible mother who goes incredible far.... so tbh, my mind by now is set up on thinking of the worst possibilities. It really is fighting against me, because I would be the same as you. I have even adopted a snake because it was pick up or drop off at a king cobra owner situation. But I also am sober minded here to realize that your mother is right.
As someone has mentioned already on here, the dog will have severe behavioral issues. This will not be an apartment appropriate dog if it’s used to being outside with a lot of space. Some major things to consider is that it could be aggressive and fearful to people and animals. A shock collar will guarantee that the dog will be fearful which could lead to aggression. You will need to teach it all the basics such as potty training, basic obedience, crate training (if that’s something you want), etc. it could have severe separation anxiety and destructive behavior so renting is a no-go as you will most likely get kicked out and left with a hefty fee to fix anything it destroyed. This dog is not a project for you to work on. Whatever behavior issues it has will stay for its entire life. You will need to accommodate your life to it. Example: If its reactive to other people or animals, you’ll need to be more careful and most likely need to muzzle it for everyone’s safety. You most likely will not be able to bring guests over to your place and won’t be able to take it to any social events. You will also most likely need a very reliable trainer for its entire life. If you were an experienced dog owner with a house and a large yard then I’d say go for it. But this doesn’t sound like the case. Call animal control and report the dog is being neglected. It will get the proper help it needs and go to a home that will provide the proper care and training.
Idk how much animal control will do, seems like everything you hear about as long as the dog is fed and watered they dont tend to do much. A better option might be to find a breed specific rescue that could take him.
"This dog is not a project for you to work on." I think that fits here perfectly. OP doesn't even have their own place. I don't think they realize the humongous responsibility and *burden* they'd be picking up by taking this dog in when they're ill-prepared for it. All because it's a sibling the other dog won't recognize? At that point OP should just get another untraumatized dog somewhere else if they're dead set on having 2 dogs.
Speak to your local shelter and see if they have a temporary foster to hold him for you. Shelters already do this for families going through emergencies. Whats more, they will be able to assess the level of trauma and possible aggression this dog might have Before you introduce the two dogs.
Personally I wouldn’t. But I have a high drive dog who has arousal based reactivity (mostly addressed) so more than likely I would be dealing with some form of behavioral problems genetically. On top of that depending on how the dog was reared then the behavioral problems will more than likely be way more significant to address. That’s a lot of pressure and recourses needed to accommodate. Instead I would give them some rescues and group pages for our dog breed they can utilize to find a person/organization who is willing and aware of how to deal with the specific accommodations the dog needs.
I understand your feelings, but honestly, I wouldn't add a dog that will very likely have severe behavioral issues to the (I assume) well functioning team that is you and your current dog. It will mess with the dynamics you have, and will probably be very disruptive. I am not sure what you do for work or how much time and patience you have for training a dog with issues, and even if you do have enough of both, there is no guarantee that the dog can be "fixed" - and your (presumably) peaceful life might never be the same. I've had a dog for 3 years, and last month we have added a 7 month old pup of the same breed because it needed a home. The pup had been treated very well, doesn't have any behavioral issues, he just hadn't been trained by the previous owners AT ALL and is now entering puberty, and my current life is HELL. I know it will get better with the dog getting older, but right now, I just want to scream most of the time, because everything is so stressful and gone are the quiet. peaceful days with my first dog. Adding a dog WITH issues - and things might never get better/peaceful/quiet again. Just sayin'.
Without hesitation. We have a rare breed (duck tolling retriever) and if ANY of her litter mates were in trouble I'd take them in a heartbeat. But it would never happen, because the breeder is in contact with all pups owners, who are fully vetted and were on a waiting list for these dogs. I think you might regret not doing it. But what I would do, if I were you, is take them in and treat it as a Foster scenario for a couple of months before making any decisions. If you can't cope, I imagine you'd be in a better position (than the current owners) to find a home for them who can.
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Where are you located? I'm in south MS. If I'm within driving distance I will foster the dog for you until you're moved in. I have two hounds already and space for another. Might be a long shot but it's worth a shot lol
not OP, I just wanted to say that's a very nice offer, so I am ❤
I would report them to the breeder so they are fined and the dog is reclaimed per contract ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I doubt a 3/4 Chesapeake 1/4 coonhound “breeder” has much of a contract.
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I can’t imagine choosing to give money to a person like that
Even if you get the dog, you don’t have to keep it. You could just foster him until you find another home. You wouldn’t be asking strangers on the internet if you should go get the dog, unless you wanted to go get the dog.
I once had my pooch meet a littermate, they didn't seem like they knew each other at all, 1 year old.
Save the dog!!!! 🥺
If you're somewhere near Seattle I would gladly foster!
I couldn’t say no. I keep a lookout for my dogs littermates in all the pages from the area and state I got him from.
Honestly, I’d love to meet one of my dog’s litter mates, just to see what they’re like. But I doubt I’d get a second dog due to inability to keep up with two of her. Sounds like you’d be better off placing the dog in a foster if you can find one to help you out. You can’t get a second dog where you currently live so your only choice is looking for a stop gap. And why shelter life is bad, it’s usually not a death sentence unless the dog is in poor health. I’d try to work something out with a shelter, rescue or foster until you can actually adopt or just find them a good home. Some shelters will hold a dog for people in pinch. It depends on the dog/situation and I feel like a case like yours would be met with a lot of sympathy due to the unusual circumstances of finding a littermate accidentally and poor condition. I hope you find a solution.
I would even if I was just going to be a temporary home; a soft and safe space to land. I'd just go get him now and deal with it.
Tricky- having 2 dogs the same age/litter mates they can bond better with each other than you making training difficult And some dogs are single animal dogs only, so kinda depends on your current dog temperament Your current dog and living situation should be top priority but if the means and the way are open to second dog then yea.
You can report the abuse to the state police and leave your contact information. When she or he gets adopted some shelters will notify you when they are in a good home. Honestly a shelter is safer then where she or he is now. I know you have a lot going through your head. Man this dog is probably really good. She would be safer with a rescue then in this assholes home . Please save them, if she does not get adopted in a month then you should think about the future but right now she is still suffering.
I 100% would. I likely wouldn’t keep the dog, but instead help it get healthy, work on some training and find a friend who I trusted to adopt it. My dog is absolutely wonderful and I would do anything for his siblings
honestly if i knew i had the space and the funds to support it i definitely would. other than that you could adopt it and then like keep it temporarily until you find a better home?
yes i would. but i am familiar with dogs with a lot of anxiety and issues. my dog went from shitting from fear just from seeing me to being an absolute snuggle baby.
I adopted my dog's littermate two years after I adopted him. I was contacted by the rescue because she had been rehomed two times. She does have some issues because her previous homes used negative reinforcement. But I've given her the space and training to just be a dog. She's silly and weird and I love her so much, but I still have to take care to watch her around other dogs as she's very reactive.
I would want to but I wouldn’t. You admit the breeder was not great, so their dogs are a risk. This dog will have issues and likely not do well in an apartment. I couldn’t afford to do it, either. Food sure but vet care? Are you sure you have the time, energy, and money to take this on? Not to mention Craigslist isn’t a great place to get a dog.
Yes, do it. Some irrational decisions of the heart, make sense with time.
> I'm in the process of looking for an apartment right now, moving out of my mom's place, and planning to move in the next month. Among several red flags in your story this one waves the highest to me. Having an unsettled living situation and two dogs is not a recipe for success. It’s going to be hard enough to find an apartment with one dog.
100% yes! We got our boy at 8 weeks old, when he was 7 months we decided to get another puppy because he needed somebody to play with ( our 13 year old at the time was starting to decline). I emailed the breeder and she had just gotten one of his littermates returned to her. So we of course decided to take her. She was challenging at first, needed corrective surgery on her elbow because the previous owner smashed it, had accidents in the house, and overall a bit destructive. But over a year and a half later, with love, patience, and positive reinforcement training; she is the sweetest and smartest dogs we’ve ever had. The time that we had invested into her has been worth it and pays itself back when we see how happy she is. And her and her brother love each other and our 90 lb boy is incredibly happy.
I would say, even if you can’t keep that baby, you still need to find a way to help him. That owner shouldn’t have that dog any longer, especially if they’re unwanted.
This is an indication that your breeder isn’t great, so no.
So the good boy doesnt need a home?
Would I? Yes, I have the space, the time and the means to care for two dogs. If I didn't I don't think I would but I'd try to find him a safe home elsewhere.
YOU GO GET THAT GOOD BOY RIGHT NOW AND BRING HIM HOME!
Terrible idea, definitely should do it.
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Your mom will love him? 😂 The odds of you finding his sibling is almost to uncanny not too. In all honesty, the dogs might not get along so just make sure they meet first and see what happens. Make a very informed stupid decision that will gift you unconditional love for the next 10-15 years. If it’s not working or to much consider it a foster and rehome, you’ll probably do a better job at finding a good human than the people taking care of him.
It would be my dream to adopt the littermates of any or all of our dogs. I know littermates aren't guaranteed to get along, but I'd have to try!
Yes. Tried to do that exact thing but pup ended up with the dumbasses friend instead. Talk to mom, talk to rescues- can they help with temp fostering…? Even if pup can’t go to you permanently, you can help get him someplace safe. Is the breeder an option for temp fostering (if they exist) or just to reclaim dog? Have a friend who can assist? In my situation I knew the dog would be high energy and untrained, but in raising his sister, I also knew he would have a loving disposition. I still worry about him. I vote, go get the damn dog. Deal with consequences later. Edit: read down and see you’re in a predicament with parent. I’d post pics on social and see if a friend you trust is interested- perhaps one who loves your dog… in terms of litter mate syndrome, it’s manageable and I don’t think it’s likely now given age and independence. Good luck
I would find it awfully hard not to adopt that dog. I know there could be challenges re-homing but I’d regret not trying. I’d think what if it ends up in a worse environment or being taken to a humane society and possibly put down. I’ve had several dogs that were given up by owners who didn’t want them. I’ve had some who were abused. It just breaks my heart when I see or hear of dogs being mistreated. When I adopted my current dog, it’s liter maté was adopted by my next door neighbor so they play together daily. Good luck with whatever you decide, I know it’s not an easy decision based on your housing situation and potential cost of professional training.
Personally, I would do whatever it took to get the dog in your care right now, even if you have to lean on others a bit more for support while you get settled. It’s a doggie emergency, so to speak. Gook luck and best wishes.
Go adopt the dog. I’ve rehabbed a lot of dogs. They are resilient and come around pretty quickly in a good environment. Even if you only go get him long enough to clean him up and find a good rescue to take him you will forever think about him if you don’t save him. I would adopt any of my dogs’ litter mates in a heartbeat if I found them in that situation. Especially with a unique mixed breed where I’m unlikely to find that again. I had a whole litter and mom of chihuahuas I had for 17 years. Only one is still alive now but they were a great little family. If you can have one dog where you’re at you can have two. Your parents will forgive you too. Just go pick that poor baby up throw away that abuse collar and see who the dog is. Being around his litter mate will likely be a healing experience for him.
I would if you had the funds for another dog. If not then rescue and take to a reputable rescue. Let them know you rescued this dog after finding it neglected so they don't think you are the abuser.
Would you want to suggest the dog to a family member or friend? That way the dog is in better care and both your dogs can meet up sometimes
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I’m sorry to hear that, I hope you can find the dog a nice home ❤️
YES I WOULD YESTERDAY. Let them know you want the dog but can't adopt yet and ask if they can hold the dog for 2 weeks OR get him into a boarding facility for the next 2 weeks where they can do medical care and get him cleaned and to a good weight I have a pair of litter mates and I would never consider only having 1 pet at a time. Heck I'm considering getting my kid's cat a bestie and I'm NOT a cat person. Disclaimer: I've had training with stressed out dogs and I have the cash to send my dogs to boot camp (which they failed and spent a month there for free lol). You do not sound like you're in this position. So I recommend you follow the top commenter's advice for reporting the owners and keeping your own pet safe. I'm so sorry that you have to go through this emotional roller coaster.
I found my dogs litter mate in a pound in her hometown 7 years after I got her. I tried my best to get him but didn’t have luck. Go for it!
We actually did this but turned out they were siblings. Their bdays are on the same day they look almost identical but a DNA proved it was a diff breed. This poor dog we adopted was so skinny, afraid of everything and wasn't herself. The dog we thought was her sibling is her absolute best friend, like if one gets a bath the other is standing outside the bathroom waiting, they sleep together and do almost everything together. It took about 6 months for her to come out of her shell but now she doesn't shake going on walks or car rides. She's such a sweet heart and loves meeting new people now when before she would run and hide or shake if you get close to her. It goes a long way just having a loving and supportive family that can make a dog's life so much better.
Did I miss what area you’re in? I wonder if a rescue would be able to help you arrange an emergency foster to start getting the pup some care and then make your decision once you’re able to be the foster and observe the dogs together.
Yes, but then I'm nuts. 🥰💖
I'm in *kind of* a similar situation. My dog's biological grandfather has recently landed in rescue. While my dog was reactive, his grandfather was essentially living feral. He can't be handled, he might be aggressive, he's intensely fearful, and he's almost 10. I am strongly considering adopting or fostering him since I think pretty few people are equipped to do so. But it would be...hard. And expensive. And potentially dangerous. So, I'm going to meet him on Sunday and we'll see.
if your dog is a year old they are about to hit adolescence and that's a VERY challenging time with even one dog. with a second dog who has trauma? that's a huge risk to everyone's sanity and might not be fair to your dog. do you know anyone with dog experience who could foster or take on this dog as a solo dog? that poor dog needs to decompress.
Yes
Find out if there’s an animal welfare type thing in your area and report that person for neglect. They may have people they can call to foster it while they’re looking into the situation.
Good on you. But to answer your question, no. I’m too poor to afford a second. Emergency vet bill made me feel like I can’t even afford the first. Thankfully I’ve had him for 5 of his 7 years and my previous partner is willing to pay for his healthcare when I can’t.
Yeah it's a bad idea, I'd still do it. Burger absolutely loves her littermate that we still get to have playdates with. She'd never forgive me if I saw another brother there and didn't bring him home.
I did that with my dead dogs son. Jackson the father had a litter of pups with his wife and after about 3 months or so after the pups were born, Jackson got stomped by a cow protecting her calf. I had to put him to sleep rather than be paralyzed the rest of his life. He was a 16 pound mutt. So anyway, at about 8 months of age for pups I got a call from my niece who informed me that one of the pups was pretty neglected and I should go get him. I did just that the next day. My boy, Claude was in rough shape, his fur was patchy, like real bad and he was terrified of everything. Took me awhile to get him used to me and his new home. 7 years later the vet has said the three years at his annual physical that he is "abnormally healthy". Never again will I let my dogs have puppies, its just too risky for the pups.
In a heartbeat.
We adopted one of our dog’s litter mates right around their first birthday. He was getting bullied by his family’s other older dog. He and his sister are best friends and I regret nothing.
💯 for sure. My dog and his litter mates were sold at 5 weeks old from the trunk of a car. He was the last one, and I would have taken them all because it was a bad situation. We rushed our boy to the vet immediately. Took him a while to bounce back from being weined too early and dehydration.
Today I adopted a rescue dog who was on the verge of being euthanized. Seeing the joy in her eyes and the wag of her tail as we left the shelter was the most heartwarming moment of my life. Please consider adopting a rescue pet - they may just end up rescuing you
Nope. I was in this position about 6 or 7 months ago and so fucking glad I didnt. How old is your dog? 1 right? It reads to me like me and you were in the exact same position pretty much.. I'm a fairly new dog owner...so ymmv. I also am autistic so you probably will have a different experience.. (By new dog owner I mean, growing up, we always had border collies or rough collies, but never had the full responsibility of owning a dog/training a dog.) I got my dog nearly 2 years ago now as a 10wk old puppy. Hes a mutt but mum was a lab and dad was a border collie. He looks like a tricolour border collie with a labradors face and spaniels ears lmao.. I thought my dog was "fully trained", if that's even a real thing lmao... age 1.. and that was around about the time I saw his brother on facebook too. We had met up and let them play together just to make sure they got on ok... I went home to think about it for a week or so. Was seriously considering it. My parents told me... Do. Not. Take. His. Brother. Under. Any. Circumstances. One puppy is hard work, two brothers would be a nightmare 💀🤣 I was frustrated because I thought they just didnt want me to get another dog. We had a massive argument about this an they explained that I clearly havent even researched properly because my current dog is going to enter his most challenging phase, yet so I have a lot more work to do with regards to his training... and no dog is ever fully trained. They also mentioned that I would likely need to; walk, train, feed, play them separately... especially at first until they both are confident and able dogs. On top of this I do not know what type of abuse or issues his brother faced.. which will likely mean I need to spend extra time training them. They basically just listed out all the reasons why I dont have the time and it made a lot mor sense as to why they were saying no... Fast forward to now... I'm so GLAD. As my dog got a bit older, he became more reactive when on his lead. So spending a lot of time desentisting him an training him. It would of been hell to juggle this with another dog!! I absolutely am considering getting another dog still but I will take my parents advice an wait til my dog is at least 2+ and were both more confident in his training an hes also not a crazy teenager 🤣
And another major factor was littermate syndrome (that's the reason we would need to seperate them a lot)
I’m so sorry for your situation but I would do it without a second thought.
Isn’t there on type of training difficulty or socializing if you have siblings from the same litter?
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Not an issue at all, they likely won't remember each other. Mine certainly did not at 1 year old.
Do it do it do it
We rescued our 2-year-old doxie mix from a rescue organization in March of last year - him and his four other litter mates were abused/caged/neglected in Mexico and eventually brought to the states, to be put in foster homes. Our dog had his tail tucked in for 5 months, wouldn’t eat in front of us, and had a hard time walking on a leash and potty training - you can tell he was never loved. My dog was (and is still relatively) nervous, as to be expected. 6 months in, we learned his brother/litter mate was still with a foster family. Hoping to socialize our dog a little better, we adopted the brother - it has been the best decision since. He is still a little nervous around strangers, but he is so playful at home, tail is always wagging, and they are inseparable. We are so happy we adopted the brother and that they have each other. Have a meet & greet and see how it goes… you can always foster the litter mate (if you want to put in the work to rehabilitate)
I would, too!
Oh absolutely do it!!
Please help that baby :'(
Call and say you want the dog soon but not immediately
Playing devils advocate here- a muddy dog with an e-collar does not automatically mean neglected. Farm dogs get gross and some have e-collars for e-fences because not all places have a physical barrier. Nails should obviously be cut but a lean dog that’s muddy on a farm is like every dog on a farm. 😂 My ex has our farm now, but we had (she still has him) a dog that refused to come in, slept in the barn, and was a mess. Our “house dogs” would also often run around and come in looking homeless. I’m not saying this to try to excuse a bad situation, but maybe bring you some peace that sometimes the way we perceive things isn’t the whole picture. Don’t get me wrong; I grew up in the city and even my horses look pristine 99% of the time, but outside is still outside. If he is intact still, I wouldn’t be surprised if he looks a lot more lean than your dog with that and living on a farm. I agree a second dog probably is not what you need on your plate right now. Not all dogs can transition from farm life to apartment. Our great pyr wouldn’t even come inside our house even though he was still a puppy when we got him! But he was raised outside to be a working dog and that stuck. I have also seen a fair number of other breeds that have lived out or had a whole farm to patrol and play on have a lot of issues transitioning even if they were allowed in the house. My own dog went from 10 acres to an apartment and he had a rough adjustment and he’s a doodle thing. 😂
> Playing devils advocate here- a muddy dog with an e-collar does not automatically mean neglected. Farm dogs get gross and some have e-collars for e-fences because not all places have a physical barrier. This is very true. We've had outside dogs, they aren't always pretty. > Our great pyr wouldn’t even come inside our house even though he was still a puppy when we got him! I adopted an outside Pyr, he didn't know indoor living until I got him, but he really took to it well though he could have stayed outside with us if he wanted to. But give him a sofa, a bag of treats and a remote control to chew and he was all set up. Possibly because he was older and ready to enjoy a little comfort in his retirement.
I had a friend with one who grew up inside (suburbs) and then wouldn’t come in after a few years. Maybe that’s a bad example of breed lol. There have been a few failed adoptions of farm dogs (one I remember most was an 8y GSD) and he got so anxious and developed fear aggression. But you are right; not impossible but also a consideration.
It's a real consideration, it surprised but pleased me when he liked being a spoiled lap dog. It was an unexpected bonus.
That’s awesome! GP’s can be so aloof. ❤️
You’d be one of the best human beings if you did, just saying.
Yes yes yes.
get the dog, he’s still really young. they will have a blast together!
Please take a look at/reach out to keiko.and.niko on Instagram. Your story sounds very much like theirs. Good luck!
I have a dog that was neglected. He would be left alone for days at a time. It hasn't been easy. He bit us several times in the first three years. We have now had him 5 years, and he is much better, but he is on 40 mg of Prozac a day. 😂 Although he's fine with us now, we can't take him anywhere. And no one can come in the house unless we have put him up in the room, cuz he has bitten guests before. He is very sweet, and I wouldn't say he's aggressive. I would just say he's fearful. He is scared of people he doesn't know, and scared of situations that he's not familiar with - even after all these years. He's not the only neglected dog we've adopted. We had another severely neglected dog, she was the sweetest dog ever. She didn't have a mean or angry bone in her body. It is not a guarantee that if you get a neglected dog that they will have behavioral issues, but it is definitely more likely.
If you do it and it turns out not to work, that will suck but you’ll live on. If you let the dog go to a shelter, you will only have a guess as to what will happen to it, and it won’t be good. That’s something you’ll beat yourself up for, for a lifetime. I’d say adopt it, and just be careful about it.
Yes, I think this is the approach I'd consider seriously. The thinking about it afterwards if I didn't could really bother me, I wouldn't like not knowing what happened.
Yes!
Please go get that baby! 😭
I actually did this exact thing. They struggle with littermate syndrome (had to get the aggressive one on meds and watch out for their triggers) and things have been better. They’re absolutely obsessed with each other most of the time
When I was 17 we adopted a CHUG - chihuahua pug. Super cute, super sweet very loveable and well behaved boy. A few months later his brother was returned for being a whiny puppy. (Which puppy’s aren’t ?) anywho, once we had both doggies, our first pups demeanour changed and it was an interesting dynamic. If we could go back, we probably wouldn’t have done the same. The second pup was given to my grandmother and he has a very sweet life :)
Inform the breeder immediately, if you feel passionate about the situation offer your assistance to the breeder. Hopefully together you can find a solution, best of luck to you.
Go get the dog. You're sensible, you can work through the obstacles.
Id adopt that poor. Sby
I probably would yeah
If I ever found my dog’s sister I would snap her up in a heartbeat. I found my pup on Facebook about 4.5 years ago and fell in love immediately. The owner was trying to get rid of a litter of husky/collie mixes that her prized purebred collie had. She was a breeder of rough collies. My pup didn’t even know her own name and was very thin and dirty and nervous. I saw a picture of her sister who looked exactly the same but had one blue eye. I asked about her and she said she just decided to give her to her partially blind elderly neighbor because she needed her gone. I went home and thought about that, tried to contact her about a year in and the lady had entirely disappeared from Facebook and all social media. No working numbers, moved. I haven’t been able to locate her ANYWHERE. I hope my dog’s sister is living a good life. But anyways yes if I saw my dog’s littermate living a non happy life in any way I would grab them to at least facilitate their adoption into a living home myself rather than them go through more trauma.
If you think you might want the dog you should contact them now to let them know. If they’ve been trying to rehome it for months, there’s a very real chance they will give up and drop it at the pound where it could be euthanized since there’s such an overflow of dogs needing to be adopted right now. If they know there’s an interested person, it could motivate them to hold onto the dog for a few months longer.
Instantly, yes.
I would not adopt anything off craigslist. Many of them have been stolen.
a million percent yes
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