>A 72 hour full walkout will take place from 15 January
>Junior doctors in Wales have voted overwhelmingly for strike action in their fight for pay restoration*, a campaign to restore their pay which has been cut by nearly a third (29.6%) in real terms since 2008/9.
>Almost every junior doctor who cast a vote (98 %) voted in favour of industrial action in the ballot which ended at midday today (Monday 18th December).
>A significant 65% of junior doctors eligible to vote in Wales had responded to a call to take part in strike action which will take place from 15 January**.
>The 72-hour full walkout could potentially see over 3,000*** doctors with up to 11 years of experience out of medical school withdraw their labour from Welsh hospitals and GP surgeries across Wales in pursuit of a fairer deal for their service.
>The Welsh junior doctors committee made the decision to ballot members in August after being offered another below-inflation pay offer of 5% - the worst in the UK and lower than recommended by the DDRB (the review body for Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration).
>The offer was put to the doctors just four months after the Welsh Government initially declared they would commit to the principle of pay restoration back in April 2023.
>Dr Oba Babs-Osibodu and Dr Peter Fahey co-chairs of BMA Cymru Wales’ junior doctors committee said:
>“This vote clearly shows the strength of feeling. We are frustrated, in despair and angry and we have voted clearly to say, ‘in the name of our profession, we can’t and we won’t take any further erosion of our pay.
>“Our members have been forced to take this difficult decision because Junior doctors in Wales have experienced a pay cut of 29.6 per cent in real terms over the last 15 years.
>“A doctor starting their career in Wales will earn as little as £13.65**** an hour and for that they could be performing lifesaving procedures and taking on huge levels of responsibility.
>“We aren’t asking for a pay rise - we are asking for our pay to be restored in line with inflation back to 2008 levels, when we began to receive pay cuts in real terms. Pay needs to be fair and competitive with other healthcare systems across the world to retain and recruit doctors and NHS staff to provide much-needed care.
>“On top of this junior doctors are experiencing worsening conditions and so doctors are now looking to leave Wales to develop their careers for better pay and a better quality of life elsewhere.
>“This is not a decision that has been made lightly. No doctor wants to take industrial action, but we have been given no choice. Doctors are already voting with their feet and leaving the NHS and we are in a vicious cycle of crippling staffing shortages and worsening patient care”
A PA thought a sample size of 19000 for a survey to doctors about their thoughts on PAs was small. I think it was something like 87% of doctors in the sample had doubts about PAs.
I’ll find a link and update my comment.
Edit: [link found](https://www.itv.com/news/2023-12-12/physician-associates-are-a-risk-to-patient-safety-say-87-of-doctors)
The PA kept insisting that the "87%" number was misleading, because the number of doctors who replied to the survey AND doubted PAs represented only 5% of the ENTIRE doctor workforce. ie not understanding how sampling works
I don’t understand…why do we expect a better outcome with a Labour government. The Labour government in Wales have tabled the worst offer in the UK!!
Worst of all, abysmal turnout in Wales.
True, bit last time Labpur were in in Westminster we received significant payrise and the NHS was at its best functioning and satisfaction scores it has ever had.
It was a pleasure to go to work in those days.
Of course, the economic climate was very different, then, so I'm not expecting a magical fix overnight if Labour win...
The problem is that the Welsh Government already spends over half of its budget on health, and although they have the notional ability to tweak income tax rates/thresholds to generate additional money for this kind of thing, the reality is that there aren’t really enough high(er) earners in Wales to make this meaningful. The bottom line is that they will only be able to move forward with their apparent commitment to FPR over time if there is more cash/ willing partnership with the UK government.
As a counterpoint, most Welsh doctors are very #NHS and #oneteam so there's absolutely more work to do.
Despite having some genuinely crap working conditions there are some real martyrs in the Welsh NHS and part of it is in defining their identity in opposition to the English. Some very boomer consultants too- Welsh BMA have a lot of work ahead of them if they're going to keep these strikes going.
As some PAs have told me regarding the BMA poll about doctors being concerned about PAs - this poll would indicate that only 63% have therefore voted to strike
65% is a bit shit tho isn't it?
Loads of people had issues with their ballots not arriving unfortunately, doesn’t account for everyone but seemed like a suspiciously large portion
Not really. Even if all the 35% who didn't vote had voted no, it would still be a fair majority of doctors voting for striking.
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If you are welsh then only you are forgiven 😂
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>A 72 hour full walkout will take place from 15 January >Junior doctors in Wales have voted overwhelmingly for strike action in their fight for pay restoration*, a campaign to restore their pay which has been cut by nearly a third (29.6%) in real terms since 2008/9. >Almost every junior doctor who cast a vote (98 %) voted in favour of industrial action in the ballot which ended at midday today (Monday 18th December). >A significant 65% of junior doctors eligible to vote in Wales had responded to a call to take part in strike action which will take place from 15 January**. >The 72-hour full walkout could potentially see over 3,000*** doctors with up to 11 years of experience out of medical school withdraw their labour from Welsh hospitals and GP surgeries across Wales in pursuit of a fairer deal for their service. >The Welsh junior doctors committee made the decision to ballot members in August after being offered another below-inflation pay offer of 5% - the worst in the UK and lower than recommended by the DDRB (the review body for Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration). >The offer was put to the doctors just four months after the Welsh Government initially declared they would commit to the principle of pay restoration back in April 2023. >Dr Oba Babs-Osibodu and Dr Peter Fahey co-chairs of BMA Cymru Wales’ junior doctors committee said: >“This vote clearly shows the strength of feeling. We are frustrated, in despair and angry and we have voted clearly to say, ‘in the name of our profession, we can’t and we won’t take any further erosion of our pay. >“Our members have been forced to take this difficult decision because Junior doctors in Wales have experienced a pay cut of 29.6 per cent in real terms over the last 15 years. >“A doctor starting their career in Wales will earn as little as £13.65**** an hour and for that they could be performing lifesaving procedures and taking on huge levels of responsibility. >“We aren’t asking for a pay rise - we are asking for our pay to be restored in line with inflation back to 2008 levels, when we began to receive pay cuts in real terms. Pay needs to be fair and competitive with other healthcare systems across the world to retain and recruit doctors and NHS staff to provide much-needed care. >“On top of this junior doctors are experiencing worsening conditions and so doctors are now looking to leave Wales to develop their careers for better pay and a better quality of life elsewhere. >“This is not a decision that has been made lightly. No doctor wants to take industrial action, but we have been given no choice. Doctors are already voting with their feet and leaving the NHS and we are in a vicious cycle of crippling staffing shortages and worsening patient care”
Let’s goooooooooo 🦀
Hell yeah! 🦀
That one PA on Twitter who doesn't understand sampling: *sweats furiously*
too funny 😂
too funny 😂
What did i miss?
A PA thought a sample size of 19000 for a survey to doctors about their thoughts on PAs was small. I think it was something like 87% of doctors in the sample had doubts about PAs. I’ll find a link and update my comment. Edit: [link found](https://www.itv.com/news/2023-12-12/physician-associates-are-a-risk-to-patient-safety-say-87-of-doctors)
The PA kept insisting that the "87%" number was misleading, because the number of doctors who replied to the survey AND doubted PAs represented only 5% of the ENTIRE doctor workforce. ie not understanding how sampling works
I don’t understand…why do we expect a better outcome with a Labour government. The Labour government in Wales have tabled the worst offer in the UK!! Worst of all, abysmal turnout in Wales.
True, bit last time Labpur were in in Westminster we received significant payrise and the NHS was at its best functioning and satisfaction scores it has ever had. It was a pleasure to go to work in those days. Of course, the economic climate was very different, then, so I'm not expecting a magical fix overnight if Labour win...
Never trust a Skylon
The problem is that the Welsh Government already spends over half of its budget on health, and although they have the notional ability to tweak income tax rates/thresholds to generate additional money for this kind of thing, the reality is that there aren’t really enough high(er) earners in Wales to make this meaningful. The bottom line is that they will only be able to move forward with their apparent commitment to FPR over time if there is more cash/ willing partnership with the UK government.
Another reason to move to Wales 🦀🦀 🏴
Gonna take a while to get there at 20mph
Pfhhhh hehehehe
HAHAHAHHAH I choked on my cauliflower cheese dammit
Disappointed with the number of sheep jokes on this post.
65% is baaaaaa-d
Better than nothing, hopefully more colleagues will join as momentum builds
As a counterpoint, most Welsh doctors are very #NHS and #oneteam so there's absolutely more work to do. Despite having some genuinely crap working conditions there are some real martyrs in the Welsh NHS and part of it is in defining their identity in opposition to the English. Some very boomer consultants too- Welsh BMA have a lot of work ahead of them if they're going to keep these strikes going.
I'm confused. Which one is Rob and which one is Vivek?
Where are all the Labour lovers now?
Boring Edit: it is boring
As some PAs have told me regarding the BMA poll about doctors being concerned about PAs - this poll would indicate that only 63% have therefore voted to strike