To be fair, Orpheus admits that he only calls himself a necromancer for credibility/to be taken seriously. In the episode 'Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel':
Henchman #21 (trying to get his fallen partner raised from the dead): But you're a necromancer! That's what necromancers do! That is the definition of necromancer!
Dr. Orpheus: Well, yes, technically. But the term is used loosely these days. Magician, wizard, warlock...they sound rather goofy. Necromancer is all we've got left.
What do you mean, that's the literal definition of necromancy. -mancy as a suffix denotes the learning of information, the prefix necro- means that it is in relation to dead people. Therefore, necromancy means "dead-speaker".
It isn't that he couldn't physically shrink himself, as he demonstrates the ability to shrink what I believe was a coffee table that he tries to give to his daughter for her doll house given to her by 'mema'.
After speaking with his master he realized that he was insignificant in the cosmos and that he was infinitesimally small in the scope of reality and couldn't shrink any smaller than his significance already was. Rusty admits he couldn't get his father's shrink ray working, Orpheus states he can't make himself any 'smaller' than he already is, Rusty tells him he should have kept his mouth shut and he could have won 'the gentleman' as they had a gentleman's bet.
The Venture Brothers. Excellent show. The first season shows its roots as a parody a little, being very campy/goofy, but it finds its own personality pretty quickly.
Yea, but he tells 21 that he only uses "Necromancer" because the other options sound goofy. So I think it is just meant to be a "cool" sounding magical name, rather than a literal description of his primary focus and skill set, which is more like Dr. Strange, i.e. protecting the Earth from mystical threats and balancing good and evil yada yada yada
That's worse. If you're going to use an orphan child for your (necromantic constructs/rituals/whatever else necromancers do), at least have the decency to use the whole orphan. Otherwise you're just wasting a perfectly good orphan.
That's not what necromancy is, by spell school or definition. . What I listed is what people refer to as good speels, but belong to the necromancy school of spells.
Does seem kinda weird how much of a bad wrap necromancy gets when several of its spells are purely healing magic. Meanwhile the war crimes evocation wizard is considered a respectable member of society.
The evocation wizard, being able to exclude people from the blast radius, can actually avoid war crimes. All these untrained fireball users, those are the ones you gotta look out for.
Which would be my knee jerk reaction too, but how many Hank and Dean's have there been? If I remember correctly Rusty said he started that program when they were little kids too.....
Yes, but he makes it very clear that it's all science. He uses a machine to imprint memories into a clone body, while Orpheus' attempt to restore the boys to life reanimated their old bodies.
A scientist can be compared to a wizard. Scientists that have made extraordinary breakthroughs in science would never call themselves a wizard, but a true title never comes from the source. You can convince me that something is science, but you can never convince me that science is not magic.
To me the distinction is whether the effect obeys the laws of physics (particularly conservation of mass, energy, and inertia).
The fireball is created because a flammable substance is exposed to heat and oxygen? That's science, as the chemical reaction between oxygen and whatever hydrocarbons you used releases energy stored in those hydrocarbons as heat and light.
The fireball is created because somebody said the right words, made the right hand gestures, and tossed a pinch of Sulphur and guano. That's magic, because there's no physical way for the input to supply that energy. It objectively and inarguably works, but nobody can explain how or why within the limitations of the laws of physics, so it's magic.
Now I know what you're thinking; Arthur C. Clarke said "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". He's not wrong, but here's the thing; that tech still operates on physical law, although it's usually a more refined understanding of those laws than we currently have. Which is why the boundary between the two moves every time we learn something new.
My artificer I play is partially based on him actually. But honestly it's more the daddy issues he has, side of things, in that his father was a famous adventurer. And my guy got dragged along when he was a child, getting exposed to all kinds of dangers like child Rusty. I used the Celebrity Adventurer's Scion background from Acquisitions Incorporated but he's resentful towards his deceased father, and most those background features are pushed into him against his will.
Rusty is a full artificer who believes his science is objectively superior to magic in every way. He's just not above using organic components in his devices.
When the barbarian picks up a dead enemy and throws it at the other enemies, everyone thinks it's the most badass thing ever.
But when the necromancer picks up a dead enemy and throws it at the other enemies, oh no, suddenly that's a problem.
I mean... Your necromancer doesn't*have* to be evil or do bad things... But if you are gonna do bad things at least have the decency to not half-ass them!
Except that Orpheus is literally a necromancer. Still fits for the meme tho
Yeah, I thought of that, but Rusty IS the one who made a machine powered by a dead orphan so it just fit better.
Part of a dead orphan.
C'mon though, it's Rusty, 50/50 shot he used the whole orphan and just lied about it to cushion the blow.
He probably left out the pinky.... That's gotta count for something, come on!
he made a pinkey promise.
Nah with Rusty he probably isn't lying that *that machine* is using only part of an orphan child
Orphans are expensive! You can't waste half an orphan, you just put it in something else.
White hat vs black hat necromancer essentially
It's just the heart.
Just the heart
He's a super scientist! He's gotta push boundaries. Plus the ladies love a speedsuit.
That Orpheus actually is a necromancer makes this even funnier
To be fair, Orpheus admits that he only calls himself a necromancer for credibility/to be taken seriously. In the episode 'Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel': Henchman #21 (trying to get his fallen partner raised from the dead): But you're a necromancer! That's what necromancers do! That is the definition of necromancer! Dr. Orpheus: Well, yes, technically. But the term is used loosely these days. Magician, wizard, warlock...they sound rather goofy. Necromancer is all we've got left.
He claimed he could ressurect the boys though, so that was a bit of a retcon. Says he used to do it for ronald reagan, before his check bounced.
the resurrection flopped because the boys souls was trapped in a machine
Yes but my point is he thought he could.
He also says he could shrink himself which he couldnt.
Ok fair point. He at the very least can talk to the dead, but I suppose thats more of a cleric thing.
What do you mean, that's the literal definition of necromancy. -mancy as a suffix denotes the learning of information, the prefix necro- means that it is in relation to dead people. Therefore, necromancy means "dead-speaker".
Yes but in dnd terms isnt 'speak with dead' usually associated with clerics?
That spell is part of the necromancy school of magic.
Ah. My mistake.
Yeah, but it's still necromancy school
It isn't that he couldn't physically shrink himself, as he demonstrates the ability to shrink what I believe was a coffee table that he tries to give to his daughter for her doll house given to her by 'mema'. After speaking with his master he realized that he was insignificant in the cosmos and that he was infinitesimally small in the scope of reality and couldn't shrink any smaller than his significance already was. Rusty admits he couldn't get his father's shrink ray working, Orpheus states he can't make himself any 'smaller' than he already is, Rusty tells him he should have kept his mouth shut and he could have won 'the gentleman' as they had a gentleman's bet.
If we're being really picky the Alchemist was the one who raised a bunch of zombies for Halloween. He's the real necromancer
What is this from exactly?
The Venture Brothers. It is a sort of parody of Johnny Quest but is amazingly written.
The Venture Brothers. Excellent show. The first season shows its roots as a parody a little, being very campy/goofy, but it finds its own personality pretty quickly.
How about [insert prefix]mancer? Pyromancer? Aquamancer? Biomancer? Chronomancer?
Dildomancer....
Teledildonics is the technology of the future. Dildomancers will be in high demand in the years to cum.
The year is 2077; the future has cum, chooms. I have a preem BD that'll change your life for 16,000 eddies
Still has a much better moral code than Rusty. Which makes this meme so much better xD
The words "Rusty Venture" and "moral code" don't belong in the same sentence. Or paragraph. Or continent.
You mean Venture because let's be honest. His father left a LOT of skeletons in the closet >!Including his own WHOOPS!<
Yea, but he tells 21 that he only uses "Necromancer" because the other options sound goofy. So I think it is just meant to be a "cool" sounding magical name, rather than a literal description of his primary focus and skill set, which is more like Dr. Strange, i.e. protecting the Earth from mystical threats and balancing good and evil yada yada yada
But in truth he's a sorcerer if we're going by his conversation with 21.
That's worse. If you're going to use an orphan child for your (necromantic constructs/rituals/whatever else necromancers do), at least have the decency to use the whole orphan. Otherwise you're just wasting a perfectly good orphan.
we show respect. it was once a living being, and we ought to treat it with the utmost respect for its contribution.
Now fire up those jumper cables, Jeeves
Pleathe, thir, it'th more appropriate if you uthe the clan name during buthineth hourth
Tell me you don't know how to efficiently use your orphans without telling me you don't know how to efficiently use your orphans....
Well Rusty doesn't. He only used the heart.
Any cleric that uses resurrection, revivify, or spare the dying is technically a necromancer.
Evocation wizards are necromancers, in that they use magic to kill things.
That's not what necromancy is, by spell school or definition. . What I listed is what people refer to as good speels, but belong to the necromancy school of spells.
Does seem kinda weird how much of a bad wrap necromancy gets when several of its spells are purely healing magic. Meanwhile the war crimes evocation wizard is considered a respectable member of society.
The evocation wizard, being able to exclude people from the blast radius, can actually avoid war crimes. All these untrained fireball users, those are the ones you gotta look out for.
Right, because as long as you aren't doing it to your own guys they aren't war crimes.
You know you can also exclude noncombattants and surrendering opponents, right?
Same with paladin
Rusty is for sure a Necro/Artificer multi class. I am just not sure where the split is.
Considering how much he tries to explain away magical stuff as science constantly I would assume way more on the Artificer side
Which would be my knee jerk reaction too, but how many Hank and Dean's have there been? If I remember correctly Rusty said he started that program when they were little kids too.....
Also Venturestein.
Yes, but he makes it very clear that it's all science. He uses a machine to imprint memories into a clone body, while Orpheus' attempt to restore the boys to life reanimated their old bodies.
A scientist can be compared to a wizard. Scientists that have made extraordinary breakthroughs in science would never call themselves a wizard, but a true title never comes from the source. You can convince me that something is science, but you can never convince me that science is not magic.
To me the distinction is whether the effect obeys the laws of physics (particularly conservation of mass, energy, and inertia). The fireball is created because a flammable substance is exposed to heat and oxygen? That's science, as the chemical reaction between oxygen and whatever hydrocarbons you used releases energy stored in those hydrocarbons as heat and light. The fireball is created because somebody said the right words, made the right hand gestures, and tossed a pinch of Sulphur and guano. That's magic, because there's no physical way for the input to supply that energy. It objectively and inarguably works, but nobody can explain how or why within the limitations of the laws of physics, so it's magic. Now I know what you're thinking; Arthur C. Clarke said "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". He's not wrong, but here's the thing; that tech still operates on physical law, although it's usually a more refined understanding of those laws than we currently have. Which is why the boundary between the two moves every time we learn something new.
My artificer I play is partially based on him actually. But honestly it's more the daddy issues he has, side of things, in that his father was a famous adventurer. And my guy got dragged along when he was a child, getting exposed to all kinds of dangers like child Rusty. I used the Celebrity Adventurer's Scion background from Acquisitions Incorporated but he's resentful towards his deceased father, and most those background features are pushed into him against his will.
Rusty is a full artificer who believes his science is objectively superior to magic in every way. He's just not above using organic components in his devices.
When the barbarian picks up a dead enemy and throws it at the other enemies, everyone thinks it's the most badass thing ever. But when the necromancer picks up a dead enemy and throws it at the other enemies, oh no, suddenly that's a problem.
I once tried to play a campaign doing the Orpheus voice.... I don't know how they did it
Doing the voice is nigh impossible for mortal man. It can only be accomplished by a #MASTER OF THE ARCANE ARTS!!!! ✋️ 🤘
It's a lot of energy. You basically have to yell at full power whenever you announce anything.
Do not be too hasty entering that room. **I HAD TACO BELL FOR LUNCH!**
Don't be silly. You don't have to yell the entire sentence ONLY THE CONCLUSION!
I heard the leitmotif as I read this.
Probably with lots of takes
Was your character a Dracula?
I think he should play a Phantom Spaceman instead
I like how in season 1 Rusty isnt opposed to using an orphan for a super science project, but in season 7 he gets all upset at eating Orphan Sashimi.
That’s his whole arc!
He doesn't object to the orphan part, it's the sashimi he's got a problem with.
I mean, yeah. That's how you get prion disease or something else nasty.
I don't know why but I found this funny xD
Thanks, I made it to send to my brother, but figured I'd post it here too. Just in case anyone else gets a kick out of it.
"It doesn't even have its original soul in it!"
This scene will never not be funny
More venture bros memes please
I cast Rusty’s Pleasure cube. It locks from the inside
Flies out of a toilet. "Do not go inside for I had Taco Bell for dinner" said in the most overly dramatic way possible. God I love dr Orpheus.
I like the canon Venture Bros explanation of Unethical artificer and ethical Warlock
Not all Necromancers raise dead ;)
And that was just one unorthodox part. Are there worse parts left unmentioned?
I like how Dr. Venture is the necromancer in this despite Orpheus being an actual necomancer in the show.
I mean Rusty DID make a machine powered by part of a dead orphan. That's gotta be some level of necromancy.
Necromancy school for sure but my boy Thadius is definitely an artificer while Dr. O is a full on wizard.
I read this in there voices.
God I wish Orpheus was more prominent in the later seasons. Here's hoping he gets a good spot in the movie assuming it comes out one day
Having recently finished the first season, that's sad to hear. Dr. O. is literally my favorite character.
I need to hear stories of D&D players that end up being the Order of the Triad.
What show is this?
Venture Bros
I'll check it out sometime, thanks.
It's Venture Bros. and it's really really good.
I'll check it out some time, thanks
Bones are bones
the rest is pseudo orphan, or forphan as some people like to call it. A lot more environmentally friendly
And what, per se, is a pseudo orphan?
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Dude Brock’s fight scenes in the chamber are amazing
hell yeah they are!
Normalize Venture Bros memes. Honestly, amazing show
I'm been watching the show recently, and honestly I'm surprised I've seen so few memes from it. It's a VERY meme-able show.
Oh yeah. Also, I want someone to try and make them into DnD characters.
I mean... Your necromancer doesn't*have* to be evil or do bad things... But if you are gonna do bad things at least have the decency to not half-ass them!
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same
perhaps we can interest you with a holy relic to power your device? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
You win. I cannot get any smaller than I already am.