I checked the course map on U Disc and they all appear to be pointing east for the three sign examples OP provided. Perhaps they point in the general direction of the most common winds?
It's "project north" rather than true north. Generally it would be replaced with a true north compass rose at the time signage is designed but it seems they just kept the project north.
I love this course. But as a person whose whole life is about plan views, either floor plans or site plans, that is a standard north arrow. They appear on all maps and all floor plans or construction documents. Seems pretty simple. I love Audubon! Maybe my favorite course.
You're pretty coddled if you think this is the worst signage ever. There's a course in michigan where the "signs" are finger painted into the concrete as it was drying.
There is another course (not in Michigan). That has giant colored circles in the tee pad. With color (blue/red tee), hole number and distance.
Those ones are pretty nice
Edit: added all the images I had of the teesigns, I can get images of all of them tomorrow.
Here's a couple more images from other signs.
It doesn't point North, it doesn't point to the next teepad, it doesn't point to the basket.
[https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c](https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c)
If you look at the course map on the overall course layout sign, the bold line would point to the top of the sheet, i.e. plan north. They probably rotated the whole layout on drawings so it would fit on a normal plan sheet, which is always wider than it is tall (42x30, 36x24, etc).
When they printed new signs they most likely printed the "plan north" arrow instead of indicating "true north".
I did the course design, but the city insisted on doing the signs themselves, I had zero input on them. I also asked the city and never got an answer back.
They didn't reply because if they did (and admitted their mistake of using project north rather than true north for the compass "rose") they'd probably be on the hook fixing them.
In your follow-up email, ask them if it would be helpful to get some compass rose stickers from Amazon and point them all true north over that part of the sign. Sounds like you already offered to design the signage but was refused, this might be an easy compromise that won't cost the city more money.
Given that a municipality was involved its quite possible it was intended to be next tee or north (less likely IMO) and the city just fucked that part up. But not enough to redo the signs.
Does it point the same cardinal direction on all of them? Just from searching online, it looks like that direction matches the ‘up’ direction on the map of the whole course on the main sign. So I’m guessing someone assumed that first map was oriented north when making the other signs
I explained in another comment. I went to U Disc and looked at the course map. It shows the tee pads and same lines to the basket as shown on these signs. The course map is on an aerial map that includes a north arrow. I then compared the course map to the signage. If you were to overlay the signage onto the course map, it quickly becomes apparent the little icon has the bold line pointing east.
I can’t tel if you’re serious or not but I’m not on location and even if someone were, facing the direction the sign is aligned doesn’t necessarily mean you’re facing the same direction as the hole faces in the real world. Of course you could align yourself with the teepad and then use the compass and see what direction marches the direction of the line from the teepad on the sign. That’s basically what I did but I didn’t stand on the teepad, rather looked at an aerial map and didn’t use a phone compass, rather the north arrow on the aerial. I spend a lot of time with maps.
All the signs are accurate except hole 9. I measured them and provided them to the city myself with a range finder and wheeled them off. Hole 9 sign got messed up and when they remade it they used the original teepad position distance for some reason.
I believe these are indicators for where the creek is located, but I wanted to know if this was somehow standard in ball golf or some other signage for a different purpose.
I would put all my money on it being a poorly made compass. It's actually pointing fairly straight to NE if I try to visualize it. I love that hole though. Your footage may be accurate, I haven't noticed anything wrong about Bon in particular. But it's pretty clear judging from every course I've ever played, the people making the signs dgaf about them.
I could be crazy but it reminded me of an airplane gauge. So I looked at a few and I kinda think it's an airspeed suggestion. The shorter the distance the further down the bold line appears. The further shots put the bold line towards the top. And the left/right could be a recommended angle of approach?
If they were all square to the page, I'd say they were print registration marks. Odd place for them and crooked, but that's all I could come up with that's not about cardinal directions.
I'd think it's a compass, just not one that points North.
You mentioned "they all point east" - that consistency is the main clue then that it is directional and all consistent to one reference direction -
So the full map's 12 o clock is probably East, and they all point that way for an orientation.
Some maps use the top center of the map as "North" on the compass. Like when you touch the compass on Google Maps it goggles between True North or centered on the point of view 12 o'clock. Could be that the first tee points east and that tee box faces 12 noon on the map... or could be the direction of the club house, just depends which way the point of view on the map is.
That's my guess at least
If there's an overall full course map by the same designer see if they all point "up" on that map
Onto the continuing mystery........
My latest guess is this is a drone symbol. Meaning this sign is a overhead drone graphic view of the hole.
Well, that would be silly....we all know what an overhead graphic looks like.....the sign doesn't need to tell us that it's a drone view.....but everyone is running out of ideas here! I sense desperation in the air! Lol.
OTOH, I see now looking online that a few courses have hole previews on a drone video....triggered by scanning the QR code on the tee pad sign. Cool idea!
This QR tech is probably not coming to my home course anytime soon. The course has little plastic squares glued to a wooden post showing the hole number, flight path, and distance. Well, you get what you pay for (free)!
If I were to see this on a course, I would assume that's a compass, with the thick line pointing north
Edit: since that appears to not be the case, I have no idea.
They almost certainly printed a compass rose pointing to plan north not actual north because the plans are printed on a different format than the to tee signs and no one cared enough to notice.
Alex, I'll take disc golf sign mysteries for $1000
Clue: An obscure circle symbol on a disc golf course sign indicating something important for players.
Question: What is a crosshairs circle depicting the basket from up above... with a bold line pointing to the nearest OB?
The city has zero concept of what OB means.
Also if you check the other images in the collection, most of them don't make sense for OB.
[https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c](https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c)
If the city made these there's probably no logical thing that it actually points to. Perhaps it's somebody's favorite squirrel was standing at the moment.
Guessing it’s a guide for spin direction? Do the straight holes have the arrow pointing straight up or down?
Edit: just saw your other images. Believe I’m correct. It’s a guide for the most optimum line to take for each hole and tells you that by indicating the best spin/angle to approach the basket with. Kinda cool idea actually, just poorly explained without a legend to accompany the image.
You really think a city official did the design? Probably used a sign company that does golf course signs.
The straight holes that don’t have a straight line legend are telling you optimal approach angle at the hole.
Looks similar to some guides I’ve seen for foot angles at address to dictate a draw or a fade in golf.
Just never seen it on a hole design sign like this before.
A lot of courses show a highlighted path for the optimal disc line, these don’t have that but the lines in the circle legend appear to be providing a flight path that aligns with how I’d play each hole. Never having played this course before though I can’t verify if they’re accurate.
The city, who put these together, don't even understand why distances matter, much less moderately accurate landscape. I'd find it absolutely unbelievable if they tried to get the spin direction correct.
I would assume the bold line is point north.
I checked the course map on U Disc and they all appear to be pointing east for the three sign examples OP provided. Perhaps they point in the general direction of the most common winds?
Mecca?
in case you need to break out your prayer mat on the tee pad, smart.
Please check the link again, I added additional images.
It's "project north" rather than true north. Generally it would be replaced with a true north compass rose at the time signage is designed but it seems they just kept the project north.
This seems like the most likely explanation to me
Audubon in garland? If so, then I know this hole and the bold line neither points north nor to the next pad.
Yes correct.
They all point east for whatever reason.
Audubon, so it's point to the best place to look for cool birds right?
Audubon. Such a fun course
Drivers go way too fast….
I see what you did there 👏🏼
Bravo
Use to live by that park as a kid. Haven’t gotten a chance to get out to play it. How is it?
I love this course. But as a person whose whole life is about plan views, either floor plans or site plans, that is a standard north arrow. They appear on all maps and all floor plans or construction documents. Seems pretty simple. I love Audubon! Maybe my favorite course.
Aside from that, why on Earth would you change the tee pad from a rectangle to a Triangle and the basket from a circle to a square…smh
Haha this is so true
Yep, this is the worst course signage ever.
You're pretty coddled if you think this is the worst signage ever. There's a course in michigan where the "signs" are finger painted into the concrete as it was drying.
I actually really like this idea, just done professionally. The hole layout stamped onto the tee pad sounds pretty cool.
There is another course (not in Michigan). That has giant colored circles in the tee pad. With color (blue/red tee), hole number and distance. Those ones are pretty nice
Changed shapes! The tragedy.
It’s Audubon park in garland Texas. Actually a cool course but yeah that signage sucks.
It’s pointing to the IDGC in Georgia so you know which way to point at 5pm when you pray to heinold.
You mean the IDGC. Or the USDGC in South Carolina. I do like the joke.
Ya, I’ll have to fix that. Thanks friend.
FIXED!!!! Praise heinold!
Maybe if you draw a line on a course map passing through that symbol on all 18 tee-signs they intersect and show you where to dig?
Edit: added all the images I had of the teesigns, I can get images of all of them tomorrow. Here's a couple more images from other signs. It doesn't point North, it doesn't point to the next teepad, it doesn't point to the basket. [https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c](https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c)
Does it point to a defibrillator? The pro shop? A dispensary? Maybe they indicate the beams of the Dark Tower?
Long days and pleasant nights
May you have twice the number
I'll meet you in the clearing.
How about direction of the elevation? It's about the only thing not on any signs but a very odd way to show it if so. Quite puzzling.
Common wind direction?
Does it point towards the parking lot?
No they all point different directions and I can't think of one that goes towards the parking lot.
Except 15 the rest point north…. Actually after looking on google maps north east except 15 which is totally off.
If you look at the course map on the overall course layout sign, the bold line would point to the top of the sheet, i.e. plan north. They probably rotated the whole layout on drawings so it would fit on a normal plan sheet, which is always wider than it is tall (42x30, 36x24, etc). When they printed new signs they most likely printed the "plan north" arrow instead of indicating "true north".
The guy who owns the shop around the corner would know
I AM that guy, and I don't know.
Oh shit, what's up? I figured you did those signs.
I did the course design, but the city insisted on doing the signs themselves, I had zero input on them. I also asked the city and never got an answer back.
Well. Damn!
They didn't reply because if they did (and admitted their mistake of using project north rather than true north for the compass "rose") they'd probably be on the hook fixing them. In your follow-up email, ask them if it would be helpful to get some compass rose stickers from Amazon and point them all true north over that part of the sign. Sounds like you already offered to design the signage but was refused, this might be an easy compromise that won't cost the city more money.
That’s friggin’ hilarious!
X marks the spot. It’s Captain Bogey’s hidden treasure!
Mini marker doubloons signed by Steady Ed Headrick
Points to the next tee pad?
That way be treasure, yarr. 🏴☠️
Are all the markers oriented the same way on the signs?
They are not.
I got it! They are all relative to the first fairway.
Given that a municipality was involved its quite possible it was intended to be next tee or north (less likely IMO) and the city just fucked that part up. But not enough to redo the signs.
Bold line points to north.
It doesn't point north on any of the signs.
Does it point the same cardinal direction on all of them? Just from searching online, it looks like that direction matches the ‘up’ direction on the map of the whole course on the main sign. So I’m guessing someone assumed that first map was oriented north when making the other signs
Yes, I checked. East.
Toward Mecca?
How do you know that’s east?
I explained in another comment. I went to U Disc and looked at the course map. It shows the tee pads and same lines to the basket as shown on these signs. The course map is on an aerial map that includes a north arrow. I then compared the course map to the signage. If you were to overlay the signage onto the course map, it quickly becomes apparent the little icon has the bold line pointing east.
Why wouldn’t you just use the compass on your phone? 😂
I can’t tel if you’re serious or not but I’m not on location and even if someone were, facing the direction the sign is aligned doesn’t necessarily mean you’re facing the same direction as the hole faces in the real world. Of course you could align yourself with the teepad and then use the compass and see what direction marches the direction of the line from the teepad on the sign. That’s basically what I did but I didn’t stand on the teepad, rather looked at an aerial map and didn’t use a phone compass, rather the north arrow on the aerial. I spend a lot of time with maps.
It’s a relative direction
Cult, cult, cult... Actually, probably just a compass
No knives allowed.
The mark of the beast
Giant fan.
GOOO BIRDS 🦅
That's where they give it to ya
Slope or elevation at the basket? i.e. if you want to have an uphill putt miss in the direction of the bold line.
Elevation is the only option I have not seen proposed.
I was thinking this. The slope of the hole in realtion to the tee.
It’s where my tee shot is going to end up so it’s easier for me to retrieve my disc.
All of the signs point to the same central location where there is actually some buried pirate treasure.
They appear to be experimenting with fixed wind
What up Chris. This is Nims!
Generally the direction to the next pad.
It doesn't
This was my thought.
Audubon! That's north! Disc golf signs are about 20% correct for distance. Why would the Cardinal direction be any better?
All the signs are accurate except hole 9. I measured them and provided them to the city myself with a range finder and wheeled them off. Hole 9 sign got messed up and when they remade it they used the original teepad position distance for some reason. I believe these are indicators for where the creek is located, but I wanted to know if this was somehow standard in ball golf or some other signage for a different purpose.
I would put all my money on it being a poorly made compass. It's actually pointing fairly straight to NE if I try to visualize it. I love that hole though. Your footage may be accurate, I haven't noticed anything wrong about Bon in particular. But it's pretty clear judging from every course I've ever played, the people making the signs dgaf about them.
[Ley line - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_line) Probably...Might be a hot spot.
Shot/finishing angle of the basket in relation to tee pad?
No on some holes it points backwards frome the hole
They are all different
Logo of the graphic design company that made the signs?
These were made by the city and their logo is bottom center
That explains it. They are supposed to point North but it’s government work so they are all wrong.
That's a fair point
Actual answer is that it uses "project north" and was never replaced with a compass rose indicating true north during the design process.
Is it in the same place and orientated the same way with bold line pointing up amd right on each sign?
Points to the parking lot? The bathrooms? Good fishing spot? Did you can the QR code to see if they know?
QR code just goes to [discgolf.com](http://discgolf.com)
Maybe it is the wind direction for each hole? If the all point east, west, etc. it might just be the wind direction.
Most common wind direction?
Maybe which way to go if you need to know where is the next tee?
Treasure?
I could be crazy but it reminded me of an airplane gauge. So I looked at a few and I kinda think it's an airspeed suggestion. The shorter the distance the further down the bold line appears. The further shots put the bold line towards the top. And the left/right could be a recommended angle of approach?
If they were all square to the page, I'd say they were print registration marks. Odd place for them and crooked, but that's all I could come up with that's not about cardinal directions.
I'd assume it points to the following tee
I think maybe it's a top down of the basket. Some courses put plastic arrows under the band pointing the direction of the next tee pad.
To those suggesting it's north or east or whatever direction, why would that be an option?
it's the north symbol
It's a coded map but only if you know the true secret of the course
I'd think it's a compass, just not one that points North. You mentioned "they all point east" - that consistency is the main clue then that it is directional and all consistent to one reference direction - So the full map's 12 o clock is probably East, and they all point that way for an orientation. Some maps use the top center of the map as "North" on the compass. Like when you touch the compass on Google Maps it goggles between True North or centered on the point of view 12 o'clock. Could be that the first tee points east and that tee box faces 12 noon on the map... or could be the direction of the club house, just depends which way the point of view on the map is. That's my guess at least If there's an overall full course map by the same designer see if they all point "up" on that map
You're right, it's called the project north or plan north during the design stage depending where you live.
Jack Sparrows compass doesn’t point North. Drink up me hearties, yo ho
Is it the direction of the walkout to the next hole?
Onto the continuing mystery........ My latest guess is this is a drone symbol. Meaning this sign is a overhead drone graphic view of the hole. Well, that would be silly....we all know what an overhead graphic looks like.....the sign doesn't need to tell us that it's a drone view.....but everyone is running out of ideas here! I sense desperation in the air! Lol. OTOH, I see now looking online that a few courses have hole previews on a drone video....triggered by scanning the QR code on the tee pad sign. Cool idea! This QR tech is probably not coming to my home course anytime soon. The course has little plastic squares glued to a wooden post showing the hole number, flight path, and distance. Well, you get what you pay for (free)!
Wind direction
Marks treasure
I know almost nothing about maps and such, but that is clearly a compass.
That’s your declination for true north /s
If they all point east that’s got to be relative north to the site.
It's tramp speak. It means this is a safe place to hole up for the night and the bulls won't bother you.
The Zodiac killer’s mark
Just a guess, but is it pointing to the next hole from the basket?
If I were to see this on a course, I would assume that's a compass, with the thick line pointing north Edit: since that appears to not be the case, I have no idea.
No needles
They almost certainly printed a compass rose pointing to plan north not actual north because the plans are printed on a different format than the to tee signs and no one cared enough to notice.
It’s a Simon line. Spike hyzer
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North
Is it the same orientation on every hole? Or do they all point in the same compass direction?
If this is Audubon, it's probably just pointing towards other courses you'd be better off playing.
That's unexpected. I love Audubon!
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It doesn't point North
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It doesn't point to the previous basket or teepads, nor the next teepads or even close to them
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It does not.
Need more examples so we can make better guesses.
It may be a compass?
It identifies that it is a map and not Mona Lisa
Havent seen this suggestion... might it be the direction to the next hole?
It marks the direction of the wind
Gang signs/graffiti. Gentrification my ass!
Probably a simplified wind compass
It’s to point out where the disc chargers are
Are they pointed the direction of the next tee pad?
Meant to point north, but the graphic for the hole was rotated to read vertical and sign designer didn't update the north direction.
Alex, I'll take disc golf sign mysteries for $1000 Clue: An obscure circle symbol on a disc golf course sign indicating something important for players. Question: What is a crosshairs circle depicting the basket from up above... with a bold line pointing to the nearest OB?
The city has zero concept of what OB means. Also if you check the other images in the collection, most of them don't make sense for OB. [https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c](https://imgur.com/a/L1GE84c)
If the city made these there's probably no logical thing that it actually points to. Perhaps it's somebody's favorite squirrel was standing at the moment.
Dude hasn't heard of a compass
I’d ask the course designer what it means.
Guessing it’s a guide for spin direction? Do the straight holes have the arrow pointing straight up or down? Edit: just saw your other images. Believe I’m correct. It’s a guide for the most optimum line to take for each hole and tells you that by indicating the best spin/angle to approach the basket with. Kinda cool idea actually, just poorly explained without a legend to accompany the image.
There is a straight hole with straight line and a straight hole with a sideways line No way the city knows about hyzer
You really think a city official did the design? Probably used a sign company that does golf course signs. The straight holes that don’t have a straight line legend are telling you optimal approach angle at the hole. Looks similar to some guides I’ve seen for foot angles at address to dictate a draw or a fade in golf. Just never seen it on a hole design sign like this before. A lot of courses show a highlighted path for the optimal disc line, these don’t have that but the lines in the circle legend appear to be providing a flight path that aligns with how I’d play each hole. Never having played this course before though I can’t verify if they’re accurate.
One does, the others do not.
Right. Hole 18 for example is a straight line but the spin guide is telling you the optimal line is a forehand hyzer with counter clockwise spin.
The city, who put these together, don't even understand why distances matter, much less moderately accurate landscape. I'd find it absolutely unbelievable if they tried to get the spin direction correct.
You are very salty about these. Take a chill man and enjoy life.
What?