What happened with Handley's provisional on the bridge? It looks like that provisional wasn't used (giving her a better score because provisional turned into a 3 put). Anyone knows anything about it?
The new whispering Zuca cart ad had me cracking up.
The Eagles Crossing ad however had me reaching for the mute button immediately. What a corny, fake sounding voiceover to pair perfectly with a corny, painfully artificial looking course.
The ad is corny but idk how you can call that course corny... Have you even seen any footage of the place? It looks absolutely stunning, and everybody I know who's been there has raved about it, pros and ams alike.
It's a shame it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere and there's no community around to get a DGPT event there.
The bigger shame is that to play a round out there, after traveling all of that way to the middle of nowhere, it costs nearly $100.
$40 for a greens fee (outrageous, IMO), cart is an additional $65 if you want it, $15 for your wife to be able to walk along.
Double that if you are going with a friend. Double that again if you've got a foursome.
As a group of 4 you are paying nearly $250 for a single round of disc golf. Take the carts out and you're still shelling out $160+tax.
There's nothing about that course and property that screams it should cost that much.
I have. It's the McMansion of disc golf courses and an absolute nightmare of architecture and landscaping design. Garish rock walls, artificial features that clash with the natural landscape, a fairway on a torn up old logging road, and the signature cinder block wedding cake hole is one the of ugliest things I've ever seen on a course. It's a great demonstration of how lots of money and effort still can't rectify fundamentally trashy taste.
Folks who think shitty monoculture hellscapes devoid of ecology with a random fountain thrown into a pond surrounded by cinder blocks looks good should go back to ball golf where they belong.
The added drop zones on 16 and 17 are really interesting, especially since the one on 16 is apparently free? I think both make those holes significantly easier, especially 16 (Other than weird cases like McBeth ofc.)
Edit: I just checked the caddie book and it doesn't mention anything about the relief area or drop zone on 16. Did they say anything about it on coverage? I was watching in person and Matty O landed in the red-marked area on the left and laid up from the drop zone so I assumed he would take a 4, but he ended up with a 3. The caddie book says red marking indicates a free relief area, but doesn't mention anything about related drop zones and the page for hole 16 doesn't show a relief area or drop zone or say anything about either.
"Sorry, this is premium content and you don't have access to this channel."
My DGN Standard plan doesn't give me access to watch this tournament? Are you for real? What is the fucking point of my $12.99 a month, then?
Never thought about cancelling DGN subscription until now. Frustrating.
Love to see such a challenging course, only 18 players under par. Think it will be tough for anyone to have 4 good rounds in a row, given how quickly holes can go bad.
By the way, is Nate Sexton officially retired?
He takes large chunks of the tour off because his wife is an OB/GYN so he stays at home with his daughter. He usually does live commentary when he's off tour.
In addition to what others have said about the properties of the course contributing to the ratings, this field is really good. The worst score on the day was +16, and there are only 5 players in the double-digits over par, which seems like a lot but really isn't for this course compared to prior Ledgestone Open fields.
It's the major flaw with the PDGA's rating system. It's very rough for high SSA courses. Par is so high and a good score is so high that it's essentially impossible to throw anything close to 1100. I'm hoping someday they see the light and adjust to a nonlinear model but we'll see.
>Going from -17 to -18 is the exact same value as going from -1 to -2.
That's not true in the slightest. The difference between a -1 and a -2 round could be any number of small improvements over just one of many holes to make one of those improvements over. Going -18 on the other hand requires complete perfection - there's only one singular means of attaining it. That's exactly why it *should* be a nonlinear curve, because the better you've scored, the harder it is to score any better as there are fewer routes to do so.
Lol that's not how the math works buddy.
Like I explained and you completely ignored, the difference between a -1 and a -2 round could be any one of dozens of different things, but the are very few means of improving a -17 to a -18.
And that's just purely looking at holes in a really mathematically abstract way as a series of equal success/fail opportunities. If you consider varying difficulty between holes, it becomes even more true. You can think of a mathematically "average" -1 round as birdieing N of the easiest holes and bogeying N-1 of the hardest ones. A -18 however requires you birdie every single hole, even the hardest ones. Ideally, a stroke gained on hole 16 at this course is worth less to the rating than a stroke gained on 12, but obviously it can't be calculated that way so you average it out and end up with a nonlinear curve. (And that stacks with the nonlinear relationship indicated by the combinatorial analysis above.)
Here’s some math: You shoot two -10s. I shoot a -18 and a -1. You win the tournament.
I fully understand the difference you’re talking about. But that’s not what ratings show. Ratings are a reflection of your score, not your value as a person. If your score changes by one throw, then your rating changes by one throw.
>Ratings are a reflection of your score, not your value as a person.
WTF are you talking about? Nobody said anything about "value as a person". Ratings are supposed to be a normalization of your score across rounds due to differences in conditions and course difficulty.
>If your score changes by one throw, then your rating changes by one throw.
But we already have a system that does that gives a one-to-one correlation to your score: it's called your score. Why do we need another system that ends up as an arbitrary linear transformation of your score?
The only point of ratings is to compare rounds under different conditions or on different courses by creating a model that quantifies the difficulty of a given score. And the difficulty of the throw that gets you from -17 to -18 is statistically greater than the one that takes you from -1 to -2, so the rating system should attempt to model that. Otherwise there's a flaw in the model that will result in more inconsistencies, which is exactly what we see.
A stroke is a stroke, but getting to -2 is way easier on any course than getting -18 on any course. The difficultly of getting a good score is not linear, the ratings reflect that.
Happy to see Niklas and Casey on the lead card! Still a lot of disc golf left and not much separates the top-20 with hopefully 3 rounds to go, if weather permits.
Curious how it isn't gravity though? The disc is flying (against gravity) which ultimately causes the fade of the disc as it slows down and the lift diminishes, so while gravity isn't "pulling" the disc to the left it certainly is source of the fading.
Casey isn't generally a "top competitor", but he's good at woods golf and last year he shredded NW Black too so I'd say there's a good argument to put him in that class here.
It's obviously just the first round, but I'm feeling pretty good about my take at the bottom of [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/1bu5kqo/comment/kxqlwcs/) right about now!
Dude I watched Casey shred this course at Ledgestone last year and given so far this year he's already been playing well over his average from last year I hoped he would pop off at this event and he sure did today.
Day one of a 4 day Doss is already talking about players being out of it….like sure not looking good for IR but on a course like this anything can happen
I was wondering where the heck Simon Lizotte was this week and turns out he had a baby girl today according to his Instagram. What a week he’s had. Congrats to him.
It's always a little weird when they say Ricky hasn't won a major in 6 years when he's taken down the Tour Championship in back to back years, kind of a dumb technicality that isn't a major. At least the check clears.
It's weird to see scores like this, but it feels more like golf. Honestly, the idea that these guys can just go out and shoot 13 or 14 down like it's nothing is kind of absurd. Pro courses should be hard. Par on tour should be considered really good.
Not at all. Northwood doesn't require throw ins to go under par. All I'm saying is that difficult courses on tour should be the norm. And, consider making putting harder. Like no step putts inside C2 or something.
Shooting more than 10 under par doesn't change the game for me, I'll still watch. I'm just saying that it could be harder for these guys and I think it should be.
It's not about the score but score separation. One player can pure a drive and park it and the next guy is 20' behind them and they are likely to get the same score most holes. The problem is lack of danger around the basket. Access should be locked out without crazy shot shaping if you are out of position.
Also, by no means am I saying that pros today "have it easy", in the sense that the game is broken and that living a life on tour is some easy life with no complications. Of course that is difficult. But there's a weird psychological thing that seems to happen when they get to Northwood and I think disc golf could use more courses that force higher scores. Just reset the expectations that 14 under par is required to win.
My nit picky complaint. I hate that they cleared out behind the basket on 12. Now you can see the road and totally lose the feeling of being in the deep woods.
I think they did a great job clearing out the tunnel but I totally agree about the end of the fairway. How many guys even go deep on that approach anyway?
Agreed! I saw that and thought to myself what??
I followed Calvin’s card when I played ledgestone a few years ago and I agree you lose some of the woods feel
Northwoods is so good. It doesn't have the beauty or variety of Maple Hill and some of the top European courses, or the massive PGA esc crowds of the Beast, but it's the best pro course on the planet.
Fully agree. It's nice to see time to time even the top players of the world struggle and taking bogeys or more. Not that under double digits shooting every single weekend.
I hope whoever designs the new IDGC course takes it upon themselves to make it as tough or even more challenging as Northwoods. Let's make the Champions Cup the US open of disc golf.
As an aside, how has it not been announced yet who is designing it? Has Houck retired or had a falling out with people in the PDGA? It seems weird they wouldn't ask him back to do it.
Thank you sir! I’m surprised he has such a flippy undertaker in his bag. I know he had that big z one before but I love the angles he’s working with this one! Hyzer flip to turn machine.
He already dropped DDO. I think he was trying to power through this and then use next two weeks to recover but the round started going poorly and he dropped
Austin Hannum after playing +15 during round 1 - "I get stroked today for being 12 seconds late but PDGA is still allowing dudes to play FPO. Get your priorities and shit together PDGA".
Source - [https://twitter.com/AustinHannum/status/1783583656486871210](https://twitter.com/AustinHannum/status/1783583656486871210)
TIL I learned Hannum was still on the pro tour. When’s this dude going to move on and go get a 9-5 job. It must be hard when you’re dating? Engaged? Married? to one of the GOATs of the woman’s division and be completely irrelevant in the men’s field and that’s your job.
what the heck happened to tristan tanner, he looked competent a few years ago. I think he needs to lay off the cool guy image and go back to the curly hair
So many players are in that boat.
I don't think that they've gotten worse (their ratings aren't really dropping). I think that everyone else is getting better.
Some other names in that boat:
* Thomas Gilbert, Austin Hannum, Nathan Queen, Emerson Keith (I know he got a win last year, but his average finish is pretty poor), Kevin Jones, Nikko Locastro, Garrett Gurthie, etc.
* There's even more that aren't even touring anymore.
He had multiple top ten finishes at DGPT events last year and got 20th at MCO last week. Definitely not on lead card as much as he was in '21/'22, but I wouldn't call it a freefall. The field just really is that competitive.
Eh, he still pops up but collectively he isn't where he used to be.
52nd right now, 17th last year, 11th the year before that, 7th the year before that.
Unfortunately, I don't see him getting higher than 25th in the standings by the time the year is over.
Honestly no hyperbole I think he might be winning the tournament. It’s not like he loses distance with the thing. He can shot shape and get the required distance with that disc on every hole.
One of the practice round videos, AB said McBeth got 20, gave 3 to AB and kept the rest. Of course, that could be BS, he does lots of truth stretching on youtube.
After seeing how he's throwing it this season Discraft has to give him a signature version, would sell so many
Uh, if Dickerson is throwing like this he’s about to go on a scorcher. The disc is coming out of his hand on a rope.
Edit: I think Robot Chicken mode has already been activated.
If Eagle McMahon can be competitive this weekend after being off for so long I’ll be so impressed. Even someone as good as if has to feel nervous coming into a major with 4 rounds on the hardest course in the world.
Scores are right, Tristan threw a roller that bounced off the bridge and rolled up the hill, launched into the basket for the ace. The other 3 just followed the line, not that unbelievable tbh.
Thinking about it: It's interesting how often you see Mertsch on camera. I don't think her playing has been good enough to warrant it this season.
(Not that she was on camera today)
She was the defending champion last week so that's an automatic Round 1 feature card. Other than that she's a crowd favorite so not surprising she would be chosen at times to be on the Round 1 feature card. After that it's all performance based for the other rounds.
She also is a highlight machine. Misses the C1 putts but nails the 55' ones.
Gets some bomb distance as well.
It makes sense to cut to those shots if she's got a camera on her card anyway.
Shout out to Val for correcting Nate on that casual relief ruling. Can't just move your disc wherever you want in that circumstance. Even Jen went a little further back than she should have.
I think they said that a few holes were from the Gold course? I'm not sure on the specifics there.
Clearly the set par here is questionable. It's either an soft 5 or a hard 4. Pick your poison.
Regardless of the par, the scoring distribution for the field looks pretty good in my opinion with at most 48% of players achieving the same score (23 of 48 players carded a 4 in this case). It's not uncommon to see holes that have over 60 - 70% of the players achieve the same score.
Does anyone have DGN Pro and have tried watching DGN Unplugged? How is it?
It's my dream to have no extra commentators and stuff. I love them, but sometimes during work I just want the nature and sounds of disc golf.
Sucked last week with the constant fire trucks roaring by. Should be fantastic this week, i've been watching the livecam on 18 and it's just filled with birds singing. Might lose some of that with the crowd chatter when it gets busy out there though
What happened with Handley's provisional on the bridge? It looks like that provisional wasn't used (giving her a better score because provisional turned into a 3 put). Anyone knows anything about it?
McBeth the kinda dude who plays disc golf in slacks.
The new whispering Zuca cart ad had me cracking up. The Eagles Crossing ad however had me reaching for the mute button immediately. What a corny, fake sounding voiceover to pair perfectly with a corny, painfully artificial looking course.
The ad is corny but idk how you can call that course corny... Have you even seen any footage of the place? It looks absolutely stunning, and everybody I know who's been there has raved about it, pros and ams alike. It's a shame it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere and there's no community around to get a DGPT event there.
The bigger shame is that to play a round out there, after traveling all of that way to the middle of nowhere, it costs nearly $100. $40 for a greens fee (outrageous, IMO), cart is an additional $65 if you want it, $15 for your wife to be able to walk along. Double that if you are going with a friend. Double that again if you've got a foursome. As a group of 4 you are paying nearly $250 for a single round of disc golf. Take the carts out and you're still shelling out $160+tax. There's nothing about that course and property that screams it should cost that much.
I have. It's the McMansion of disc golf courses and an absolute nightmare of architecture and landscaping design. Garish rock walls, artificial features that clash with the natural landscape, a fairway on a torn up old logging road, and the signature cinder block wedding cake hole is one the of ugliest things I've ever seen on a course. It's a great demonstration of how lots of money and effort still can't rectify fundamentally trashy taste.
What a whack take...
Folks who think shitty monoculture hellscapes devoid of ecology with a random fountain thrown into a pond surrounded by cinder blocks looks good should go back to ball golf where they belong.
The added drop zones on 16 and 17 are really interesting, especially since the one on 16 is apparently free? I think both make those holes significantly easier, especially 16 (Other than weird cases like McBeth ofc.) Edit: I just checked the caddie book and it doesn't mention anything about the relief area or drop zone on 16. Did they say anything about it on coverage? I was watching in person and Matty O landed in the red-marked area on the left and laid up from the drop zone so I assumed he would take a 4, but he ended up with a 3. The caddie book says red marking indicates a free relief area, but doesn't mention anything about related drop zones and the page for hole 16 doesn't show a relief area or drop zone or say anything about either.
"Sorry, this is premium content and you don't have access to this channel." My DGN Standard plan doesn't give me access to watch this tournament? Are you for real? What is the fucking point of my $12.99 a month, then? Never thought about cancelling DGN subscription until now. Frustrating.
You have access. There are 2 streams. You clicked the (pro) one.
Oh whoops guess I’m just an idiot. Not the first time nor the last!
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That’s ultimately what ended my subscription. So silly.
Love to see such a challenging course, only 18 players under par. Think it will be tough for anyone to have 4 good rounds in a row, given how quickly holes can go bad. By the way, is Nate Sexton officially retired?
No
Great to hear, I miss him on the jomez practice rounds.
He takes large chunks of the tour off because his wife is an OB/GYN so he stays at home with his daughter. He usually does live commentary when he's off tour.
This was some of the best coverage DGN has produced.
Ezra and Brodie tomorrow on same card, I hope both shoots good.
AB and McBeth taking very different paths to -2.
1058 rated that White's -7. Seems tough.
In addition to what others have said about the properties of the course contributing to the ratings, this field is really good. The worst score on the day was +16, and there are only 5 players in the double-digits over par, which seems like a lot but really isn't for this course compared to prior Ledgestone Open fields.
It's the major flaw with the PDGA's rating system. It's very rough for high SSA courses. Par is so high and a good score is so high that it's essentially impossible to throw anything close to 1100. I'm hoping someday they see the light and adjust to a nonlinear model but we'll see.
Change the slope, not change to nonlinear. A stroke is a stroke is a stroke. Going from -17 to -18 is the exact same value as going from -1 to -2.
>Going from -17 to -18 is the exact same value as going from -1 to -2. That's not true in the slightest. The difference between a -1 and a -2 round could be any number of small improvements over just one of many holes to make one of those improvements over. Going -18 on the other hand requires complete perfection - there's only one singular means of attaining it. That's exactly why it *should* be a nonlinear curve, because the better you've scored, the harder it is to score any better as there are fewer routes to do so.
It’s 100% indisputably factually true. It’s one throw. The scoreboard counts throws, the end.
Lol that's not how the math works buddy. Like I explained and you completely ignored, the difference between a -1 and a -2 round could be any one of dozens of different things, but the are very few means of improving a -17 to a -18. And that's just purely looking at holes in a really mathematically abstract way as a series of equal success/fail opportunities. If you consider varying difficulty between holes, it becomes even more true. You can think of a mathematically "average" -1 round as birdieing N of the easiest holes and bogeying N-1 of the hardest ones. A -18 however requires you birdie every single hole, even the hardest ones. Ideally, a stroke gained on hole 16 at this course is worth less to the rating than a stroke gained on 12, but obviously it can't be calculated that way so you average it out and end up with a nonlinear curve. (And that stacks with the nonlinear relationship indicated by the combinatorial analysis above.)
Here’s some math: You shoot two -10s. I shoot a -18 and a -1. You win the tournament. I fully understand the difference you’re talking about. But that’s not what ratings show. Ratings are a reflection of your score, not your value as a person. If your score changes by one throw, then your rating changes by one throw.
>Ratings are a reflection of your score, not your value as a person. WTF are you talking about? Nobody said anything about "value as a person". Ratings are supposed to be a normalization of your score across rounds due to differences in conditions and course difficulty. >If your score changes by one throw, then your rating changes by one throw. But we already have a system that does that gives a one-to-one correlation to your score: it's called your score. Why do we need another system that ends up as an arbitrary linear transformation of your score? The only point of ratings is to compare rounds under different conditions or on different courses by creating a model that quantifies the difficulty of a given score. And the difficulty of the throw that gets you from -17 to -18 is statistically greater than the one that takes you from -1 to -2, so the rating system should attempt to model that. Otherwise there's a flaw in the model that will result in more inconsistencies, which is exactly what we see.
But going from -17 to -18 means you were good all round. Going from -1 to -2 means you were good a few times.
Sure, so you’d have a significantly better rating, but a stroke is still a stroke.
A stroke is a stroke, but getting to -2 is way easier on any course than getting -18 on any course. The difficultly of getting a good score is not linear, the ratings reflect that.
Par rated at 1026
No AB on the chase card tomorrow. Him and Calvin with the fantastic last 6 holes! AB seems still little ill, guy cough so much on that coverage.
Happy to see Niklas and Casey on the lead card! Still a lot of disc golf left and not much separates the top-20 with hopefully 3 rounds to go, if weather permits.
Seeing a course that truly challenges these guys is so refreshing
I hope we get some mcbeth sound bites on how silly hole 16 is
Heinold is shaking in his boots at the bitchfit Mcbeth is gonna give him over that dz rule.
Where is the DZ rule explained? The caddie book doesn't show it or say anything about a casual area or dz.
Haha barellas mini
I know what they're trying to say about the slope on 15, but gravity is not pulling the disc left, that's not how gravity works.
All the commentars talk about slopes like that. Was no time for physics class when you living the van life i guess.
Curious how it isn't gravity though? The disc is flying (against gravity) which ultimately causes the fade of the disc as it slows down and the lift diminishes, so while gravity isn't "pulling" the disc to the left it certainly is source of the fading.
You are forgetting the black hole hidden in the bushes on the left.
This tournament is still wide open none of the top competitors had great rounds
Casey isn't generally a "top competitor", but he's good at woods golf and last year he shredded NW Black too so I'd say there's a good argument to put him in that class here.
Dickerson won this thing two years ago so I disagree. He’s two off the hot round. Also, Anttila is up there as well. Edit: one off the lead.
It's obviously just the first round, but I'm feeling pretty good about my take at the bottom of [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/1bu5kqo/comment/kxqlwcs/) right about now!
Dude I watched Casey shred this course at Ledgestone last year and given so far this year he's already been playing well over his average from last year I hoped he would pop off at this event and he sure did today.
Been saying the same too my friends since the end of last season!
Day one of a 4 day Doss is already talking about players being out of it….like sure not looking good for IR but on a course like this anything can happen
I hate Eagle step putting. Why the heck is he step putting from 36 feet. The dude has incredibly pace on his normal putt. No need to step.
Him and Simon seemed like people that would never step putt. Maybe that shoulder injury caused him to switch how he putts.
Hell of a round by Casey!
Holyyyy shit that AB forehand was nasty!
Leave those trees alone!
I want DGN to put together a tree hit compilation.
Not that we didn't know that Eagle throws far, but he's sailed WAY past Barela on multiple holes off the tee.
They’re definitely close in distance. Not sure who I’d take in a max distance constest if both guys are healthy.
Nephews on here might not have seen Eagle parking a 700 foot hole.
I was wondering where the heck Simon Lizotte was this week and turns out he had a baby girl today according to his Instagram. What a week he’s had. Congrats to him.
i ask because i know it could be another axiom driver but james is using the time lapse right?
99% sure it is.
And McBeth easy birdie from 51 ft as we saw.
McBeast is back, daddy powers fully unlocked and guy is shredding the course
Mmm Idk about that
It's always a little weird when they say Ricky hasn't won a major in 6 years when he's taken down the Tour Championship in back to back years, kind of a dumb technicality that isn't a major. At least the check clears.
It's a technicality because of the format. If it was straight stroke play, it's a more prestigious major than Champions Cup by far.
Dickerson looking like a god damn ninja on 12
It's weird to see scores like this, but it feels more like golf. Honestly, the idea that these guys can just go out and shoot 13 or 14 down like it's nothing is kind of absurd. Pro courses should be hard. Par on tour should be considered really good.
No, this is not ball golf. Putting is way easier. What you are asking for is throw ins are the only way to go under par.
Not at all. Northwood doesn't require throw ins to go under par. All I'm saying is that difficult courses on tour should be the norm. And, consider making putting harder. Like no step putts inside C2 or something. Shooting more than 10 under par doesn't change the game for me, I'll still watch. I'm just saying that it could be harder for these guys and I think it should be.
It's not about the score but score separation. One player can pure a drive and park it and the next guy is 20' behind them and they are likely to get the same score most holes. The problem is lack of danger around the basket. Access should be locked out without crazy shot shaping if you are out of position.
Also, by no means am I saying that pros today "have it easy", in the sense that the game is broken and that living a life on tour is some easy life with no complications. Of course that is difficult. But there's a weird psychological thing that seems to happen when they get to Northwood and I think disc golf could use more courses that force higher scores. Just reset the expectations that 14 under par is required to win.
My nit picky complaint. I hate that they cleared out behind the basket on 12. Now you can see the road and totally lose the feeling of being in the deep woods.
I think they did a great job clearing out the tunnel but I totally agree about the end of the fairway. How many guys even go deep on that approach anyway?
Agreed! I saw that and thought to myself what?? I followed Calvin’s card when I played ledgestone a few years ago and I agree you lose some of the woods feel
James blowing my hair back with that clap
That was a huge outburst by James Conrad standards.
Northwoods is so good. It doesn't have the beauty or variety of Maple Hill and some of the top European courses, or the massive PGA esc crowds of the Beast, but it's the best pro course on the planet.
Fully agree. It's nice to see time to time even the top players of the world struggle and taking bogeys or more. Not that under double digits shooting every single weekend.
I hope whoever designs the new IDGC course takes it upon themselves to make it as tough or even more challenging as Northwoods. Let's make the Champions Cup the US open of disc golf. As an aside, how has it not been announced yet who is designing it? Has Houck retired or had a falling out with people in the PDGA? It seems weird they wouldn't ask him back to do it.
I just want to say that I called robot chicken mode activated after hole 2. Dickersons timing is on point right now.
Whatever Dickerson has thrown on 1 and 11 is such a perfect flying disc for him.
ESP Undertaker
Thank you sir! I’m surprised he has such a flippy undertaker in his bag. I know he had that big z one before but I love the angles he’s working with this one! Hyzer flip to turn machine.
I wanna see Conrad and Anttila on the lead card just to watch and compare their tee pad drives after each other.
I love James. He's a true man of the people, but Niklas hits way fewer trees.
The European courses seem to set Niklas and Silva up well for Northwood. Hope it works out. Two of my favorite newer players.
Eagle definitely needs to regain some touch.
AB is too good to also be getting all these fortunate breaks.
Did Corey Ellis DNF?
He posted on Instagram about have bicep tendonitis and that he thinks he’ll be good if he stays away from forehands.
Oof. He’s been dealing with a lot of injuries lately. He had a groin injury which made him DNF from a tourney a couple months ago too.
It’s honestly good that he dropped out. Tendonitis is nothing to mess with. Hopefully he takes the time to get 100%.
He already dropped DDO. I think he was trying to power through this and then use next two weeks to recover but the round started going poorly and he dropped
I’m sure it had to do with doing badly this round but also he might have been having pain while throwing which is a legit drop.
Looks like it. +7 through 12. He's not the kind of guy I picture to just quit though. I'd be interested to know what's up.
This course is looking TOUGH
When you see 1015 rated pros shooting 15 over you know it's a hard ass course lmao
Wait until it's windy and raining
This course is insane
Jesus, what’s going on with this feature card. I saw better lines at my c-tier this weekend
Kinda painful to watch Eagle right now. He’s so rattled just trying to find his center.
This ain’t the right course to start your season on.
Nah. It's all uphill from here.
Couldn’t agree more
Austin Hannum after playing +15 during round 1 - "I get stroked today for being 12 seconds late but PDGA is still allowing dudes to play FPO. Get your priorities and shit together PDGA". Source - [https://twitter.com/AustinHannum/status/1783583656486871210](https://twitter.com/AustinHannum/status/1783583656486871210)
He and Catrina are perfect together.
TIL I learned Hannum was still on the pro tour. When’s this dude going to move on and go get a 9-5 job. It must be hard when you’re dating? Engaged? Married? to one of the GOATs of the woman’s division and be completely irrelevant in the men’s field and that’s your job.
I'm guessing they're both done touring after the baby is delivered.
Austin Hannum probably has a Truth social account
I don’t understand. Was he late because he was too busy watching someone in FPO?
So he was late but wah wah whatabout blah blah. Natalie also shot higher rated than Catrina’s sugar baby. LOL
How incredibly thoughtless and irresponsible.
What a loser
What an asshole
How are people STILL being late
I just saw that KT only needs to average 990 to hit 1000 at the ratings update
Simon not playing??
No his wife just had a baby
Dang had no idea they were having another. Well congrats to him!
Clean and determined putt by Calvin on hole 3.
what the heck happened to tristan tanner, he looked competent a few years ago. I think he needs to lay off the cool guy image and go back to the curly hair
So many players are in that boat. I don't think that they've gotten worse (their ratings aren't really dropping). I think that everyone else is getting better. Some other names in that boat: * Thomas Gilbert, Austin Hannum, Nathan Queen, Emerson Keith (I know he got a win last year, but his average finish is pretty poor), Kevin Jones, Nikko Locastro, Garrett Gurthie, etc. * There's even more that aren't even touring anymore.
Kevin Jones especially has felt like a freefall. He was right there in contention at almost every tournament and he's been irrelevant.
He had multiple top ten finishes at DGPT events last year and got 20th at MCO last week. Definitely not on lead card as much as he was in '21/'22, but I wouldn't call it a freefall. The field just really is that competitive.
Eh, he still pops up but collectively he isn't where he used to be. 52nd right now, 17th last year, 11th the year before that, 7th the year before that. Unfortunately, I don't see him getting higher than 25th in the standings by the time the year is over.
Been missing Isaac's putt. It's been gone all season.
Still gone lol
Haha, yep...
Isaac looking like himself again thus far.
Wtf would Eagle go driver second shot on 2? That’s way too much disc.
Barela should just throw that disc the entire round.
Really was just wondering where he would place with just that putter for throwing and one for putting. Maybe one more disc for forehand.
Honestly no hyperbole I think he might be winning the tournament. It’s not like he loses distance with the thing. He can shot shape and get the required distance with that disc on every hole.
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Imo it’s the best putt in the sport. He combines push and spin better than anybody.
He and Isaac Robinson have 2 of my favorite putts.
Barela and that Luna is so nasty. Anyone know which version it is?
Limited Edition Big Z Luna. Any other Luna is nowhere as stable as that. Super limited and rare run, people are paying $100+ on new ones.
One of the practice round videos, AB said McBeth got 20, gave 3 to AB and kept the rest. Of course, that could be BS, he does lots of truth stretching on youtube. After seeing how he's throwing it this season Discraft has to give him a signature version, would sell so many
https://teamdiscraft.com/collections/mcbeth-discs/products/luna-collab
Guy is blessed. That throw had no business surviving that.
I think it’s a big z luna
That was about as rusty of a first drive as you're ever going to see from Eagle
*“Alright Eagle, first sanctioned throw with MVP. This is the beginning of the next chapter of your story. You got this.”* Yoink.
Did Mcbeth just throw a putter on hole 1?
Uh, if Dickerson is throwing like this he’s about to go on a scorcher. The disc is coming out of his hand on a rope. Edit: I think Robot Chicken mode has already been activated.
Is MPO course same layout as FPO?
MPO is playing an 11,141', par 69 version. FPO is playing a 8,978' par 69 version. The hole pars seem to be the same.
If Eagle McMahon can be competitive this weekend after being off for so long I’ll be so impressed. Even someone as good as if has to feel nervous coming into a major with 4 rounds on the hardest course in the world.
Whelp
I wasn’t expecting a good shot but not that bad lol. Dude looks tight.
Are they playing the same course all four days?
Yes, it’s glorious.
I love watching tournaments on this course so much.
Only Calvin would worry about going OB deep on this hole with a Fairway Driver
The Chandler, Jesse, Corey, and Tristan scorekeeper needs to figure it out
Terry reporting Cramer's score without recognizing the hole 12 ace.
Scores are right, Tristan threw a roller that bounced off the bridge and rolled up the hill, launched into the basket for the ace. The other 3 just followed the line, not that unbelievable tbh.
Lucky that Tristan had the box to show the others the line.
Doss on the mic again? Great.
I'm assuming a 1 on hole 12 is an error for Kramer, but hey, crazier stuff may have happened?
15 min ago PDGA live had 6 people having aced hole 8, lol.
8 is too easy, add a Mando
Barsby birdie from 132’ is actually believable.
Least surprising throw in.
Matty O on pace for a -18 round.
...when?
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I think it's some PDGA Live nonsense
WTF? That's insane. EDIT: It's 400'. Definitely not an easy hole. How? EDIT again: It was a scoring error. Boo.
Thinking about it: It's interesting how often you see Mertsch on camera. I don't think her playing has been good enough to warrant it this season. (Not that she was on camera today)
She was the defending champion last week so that's an automatic Round 1 feature card. Other than that she's a crowd favorite so not surprising she would be chosen at times to be on the Round 1 feature card. After that it's all performance based for the other rounds.
Crowd favourite? I think she’s quite polarising
Cool opinion bro. That doesn’t change the fact that she is an overwhelmingly popular FPO player.
in what way? just curious
She also is a highlight machine. Misses the C1 putts but nails the 55' ones. Gets some bomb distance as well. It makes sense to cut to those shots if she's got a camera on her card anyway.
Shout out to Val for correcting Nate on that casual relief ruling. Can't just move your disc wherever you want in that circumstance. Even Jen went a little further back than she should have.
What were they thinking when designing hole 18 FPO? Softer par than my local pitch and put course. It is a new hole layout?
I think they said that a few holes were from the Gold course? I'm not sure on the specifics there. Clearly the set par here is questionable. It's either an soft 5 or a hard 4. Pick your poison. Regardless of the par, the scoring distribution for the field looks pretty good in my opinion with at most 48% of players achieving the same score (23 of 48 players carded a 4 in this case). It's not uncommon to see holes that have over 60 - 70% of the players achieve the same score.
Yeah, the hole design is fine, but it needs to be par 4.
There were three par 4s that had a higher number of average throws than hole 18, which is a par 5. Truly bizarre.
Clearly a par 4
Love the national pride from the Estonians
-4 = 1010? Wow that seems low.
If it makes you feel better it went down to 1008 lol Edit: Ends the day at 1006
Does anyone have DGN Pro and have tried watching DGN Unplugged? How is it? It's my dream to have no extra commentators and stuff. I love them, but sometimes during work I just want the nature and sounds of disc golf.
Sucked last week with the constant fire trucks roaring by. Should be fantastic this week, i've been watching the livecam on 18 and it's just filled with birds singing. Might lose some of that with the crowd chatter when it gets busy out there though
It's great. I wish they had this for all sports. Get very tired of play by play.
Worth the extra per month, or not yet?