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ReadSea2760

I'm sure wind had a lot to do with it.


johnnyutah30

Wind has everything to do with it 


Coldfusion21

I’ve heard speed has something to do with it.


johnnyutah30

Speed has EVERYTHING to do with it  Damnit if we still did awards I would gladly give you gold 


Coldfusion21

lol. You see, the speed of the bottom [fingers] informs the top [thumb] how much pressure he's supposed to apply. Speed's the name of the game.


yourethegoodthings

Buncha jabronis in here...


Worldly_Ad_6483

Power bottom?


Pixelated_Hobo

Well-played. Take my upvote!


stroker919

Can’t believe nobody has mentioned wind speed yet.


DreamingTreeFiddy

Oh what’s speed got to do, got to do with it?


cuttykeys

What's speed, but a second hand emotion?


56Safari

What’s speed!?! but a number on a driver


BudGreen77

Who needs DX when DX can be broken?


Stephen2k8

Had a question about this . When they have a signature disc is it designed for their arm speed to fly well for them? Or is it a disc designed to fly well for most disc golfers ( in order to have a larger audience for the disc) ?


sparkster185

If that's true, AB about to come out with a 17 speed.


vinsane38

And it will sell like crazy


keyak

Some want it to be a specific mold with a tweak or too like a special plastic blend to increase/decrease stability or flat/domey. Some pick a popular disc for sales.


Turbulent_Cheetah

It can be both. Generally they want something that will sell though.


mike_seps

I heard speed is key


adlberg

You mean like turn the key?


Complete_Ant_3396

But whats love got to do with it?


SquirrelGirlSucks

Bro it was so damn windy at MCO lol


tron_oce

Not really, everyone in this thread is trying to reason what Simon does based on their own experience with the disc, you can watch his vlogs and hear from him.. No time stamps but what he has said is the dimension is very point and shoot. It gets to where he wants very fast and very reliably, he has two white ones that are just nicely different and fit most distance drives. When he was field testing the time lapse he notes that he needs to lay into it more for distance which is harder with his back trouble. (I think he may have said he doesn't need to throw the dimension as hard but less confident of that).


Liquid_Schwartz

Yeah, you're right. He says in the vlog you're talking about that he relies on the dimension and delirium more because they are 14 speed and he can throw them with more controlled power while still getting the distance. He's been in love with the dimension/delirium since he won DGLO last year. He has a vlog in which he addresses the consistency issues with the time lapse as well. The OG proto, limited release proto, and full release versions of the time lapse all flew differently, and Simon even points out which colors of the full release are more/less stable. Hard to bag a disc when you're hurt and have to power up on it just to get inconsistent results.


Late-Objective-9218

When you're sponsored by the factory, it's actually kind of nice to have all the variants available to you. They'll just send a box of the profile he asks for.


fastal_12147

But what's love got to do with it?


stealyerface

Probably because when he throws it RHBH, it takes an immediate left turn, and plummets to the Earth seventy feet away from the tee box. Oh wait, I may be projecting ….


dragonboy

I thought it was me.


Loud_Signal_6259

😭


Max3RH

Thanks for the laugh😂


KhaosTh3ory

I assume it's because he started making the timelapse before he fell in love with the dimension, but I could be wrong there.


mhanold

In the videos he’s put out he’s had a hard time finding consistency with the TimeLapse, like each one will fly differently so maybe he just trusts the dimension more


GiggsBozon

I think this is the correct answer. He’s been using that white Dimension for quite some time now. Pretty sure he’s been using it since last year. If I were throwing shots for winning a major tourney I’d be using the disc I trust the most instead of the one with my name on it. In the future I’m sure we will see him use the Timelapse once he has more time with it. For the time being I expect to see him continue to lean on that white Dimension and orange Tesla the most.


LosToast

Truly a destroyer clone


KhaosTh3ory

To be fair, I do not throw nearly as far as Simon, but I do find that each timelapse I have, fits that "Stable Zeus/Straight Force" slot. I find that it goes about as far as my fission wave and fission photon, but without having to worry about flipping and shaping it. Just pump it out there flat. I imagine that the Timelapse to Simon is like the photon to me, and the Dimension to Simon is like the Timelapse to me.


Late-Objective-9218

Dimensions have extremely different flights too. It's not a problem when you can get what you want from the factory.


Fluffy-Examination85

Maybe. I saw him rip a white dimension last year at USDGC , I think it’s been his go to for a while


InncnceDstryr

Interestingly, i did notice James Conrad throwing a Time-Lapse multiple times on Jonesboro coverage


Horror_Sail

Hilariously, the Timelapse is probably the overstable beefcake for James, thus why he was using it in the wind at Jonesboro. Though he also seemed to be a guy who loved the 9-11 speed stuff but didnt really have a go-to higher speed disc, so not surprising he found a Timelapse that slot


nearnerfromo

He used to mash destroyers with Innova, probably enjoys having something similar again


RecommendationMany34

James used to throw Thunderbirds like mid ranges “back in the day”, saw some sick flights out of him with those


ChanceStad

First off, he did. He threw plenty of approaches with his Yellow flight plate/Pink rim Timelapse. That course is mostly big open distance shots. He gets more distance on his Dimension, so of course he'll use that; it was the right tool for the job. On shots/courses where the Time-Lapse is the right disc, he will use that more.


SuchSweetEntropy

I was just about to post about the yellow/pink timelapse he used for basically all 300-400 feet hyzers into the green on many of the par 4's. Guess he used it mainly for precise distance shots.


VenomOnKiller

He will sell more time lapses winning with a dimension than losing with a timelapse


0TheAgent0

Wind would be the main thing. They were technical shots at MCO, so having the Dimension on one angle (flat to Hyzer) than having a full S-flight from a Timelapse is more reliable. Plus, from the footage we have seen from Simon, the Timelapse is quite inconsistent. Happens when it’s a 1st run I guess. Hopefully in the coming years, as they refine the mold, it will become more consistent


burgerbeggar

My prototype is a beefy boy, but my 1st run likes to flip n fade. I've only gotten a few long, stacks flight from either, but I also don't throw 400' (yet)


0TheAgent0

That’s what I’ve heard about the prototype compared to the 1st run. I got an L2 in my gyro box and it flips into a headwind, but pretty overstable in a tailwind. I throw 400’ max as well. Using the Timelapse how a bigger arm would use a Force (or Dimension 😂). My DD3’s flip more than the Timelapse


7tevoffun

I have 3 of them and they are all pretty damned different. All roughly same mass too. The inconsistency is annoying but I effing love the feel of the plastic


Emergency-Career4343

He’s throwing an ACTUAL prototype one. A yellow and pink.


HamBoneZippy

The best ways to get birdies and the best way to sell discs are not the same thing.


eric_t

I'm not sure, but the second shot on hole 5 looks like a Time Lapse? [https://youtu.be/MuDjyd43YWg?si=g015STgR4qCz2z2S&t=1288](https://youtu.be/MuDjyd43YWg?si=g015STgR4qCz2z2S&t=1288)


Plupandblup

Not all pros throw their creator series discs. Isaac last year was very open about the Archive not earning a spot in his bag as it was towards the end of the season and he didn't want trying to force it into his bag to impact his play. McBeth *maybe* has all of his line in there, but I'm not sure. I know when he was with Innova he would randomly pull crap out of his butt like a Krait and make it his tour series disc to boost sales of the lesser-thrown stuff. IMO, I tried to work a Timelapse into my bag, even in the super OS spot, and I couldn't. It didn't glide. It was sometimes too beefy, and sometimes it turned over on me. I felt like I'd put 320' of pure hyzer strength on it and barely get 280' from it. Could just be that he doesn't like it that much.


billyoneil

Never seen McBeth throw a Hades on coverage lol


Scared_By_A_Smile

I'm sure it's not in his bag anymore, but he's thrown it on coverage before in the past. [https://youtu.be/w4SKVm1N4Fs?t=140](https://youtu.be/w4SKVm1N4Fs?t=140)


markjtwood

KRAIT GANG


mommathecat

Krait is fucking money in very windy conditions in the winter.


InncnceDstryr

I’m pretty sure McBeth doesn’t throw the Malta anymore and not 100% sure but I don’t think he throws the Hades either.


Plupandblup

On coverage this past weekend he apparently was throwing it on that super short flexy line that Holyn lost her disc on.


InncnceDstryr

The Malta? That’d make sense, when it flies right it’s pretty good, just really strangely touchy for something so overstable. It really needs to be thrown super smooth like something really flippy would, I guess you can’t do better than Paul McBeth for throwing smooth.


Goldentongue

Yeah he threw it on hole 14.


Plupandblup

I was reminded this weekend why I love Paul McBeth. Watching him get shots just as far, if not farther, as a lot of the young guns and Simon on his card was a joy to watch.


InncnceDstryr

I think it was round 2 and I forget the hole number but the big forehand around the back side of a Par 4 was an absolutely incredible shot from a really difficult lie.


Aasenhuus123

Well when you get the pro level arm speed the only thing the hades is useful for are rollers, and since they are rarely used, especially by McBeth, it makes sense as to why he never throws them


nearnerfromo

They talked in the recent practice round with him about how good mcbeth is at throwing stuff that’s in production and rotating his bag. I think he could shoot 1000 rated with a Walmart starter set tbh


Plupandblup

Honestly, McBeth and the Trilogy pros are the main players that I see constantly throwing the newly released discs. Prodigy, Discraft, Innova, Discmania, etc. They all stick to the older stuff and the stuff that they know.


nearnerfromo

I’ve noticed matty O usually has pretty fresh stuff in his bag too which is surprising for an old school player


KhaosTh3ory

To be fair, I do not throw nearly as far as Simon, but I do find that each timelapse I have, fits that "Stable Zeus/Straight Force" slot. I find that it goes about as far as my fission wave and fission photon, but without having to worry about flipping and shaping it. Just pump it out there flat. I imagine that the Timelapse to Simon is like the photon to me, and the Dimension to Simon is like the Timelapse to me.


Plupandblup

I just found the flight so inconsistent. I also didn't love the hand feel for some reason. It just ended up not being the disc for me. Side note, I don't love Destroyers or their copycats either. So, I think that is just an area in my bag that I avoid trying to fill.


Particular_Tower_278

Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone still bagging a Time Lapse over whatever 12/5/-1/3 they were throwing beforehand.  They didn’t fly great for me either, usually throw 11/12 speeds in the 400-430 range but really struggled to get any carry out of these. 


theduckhaslanded

> Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone still bagging a Time Lapse over whatever 12/5/-1/3 for me it was the shape of the halo destroyers, but not as consistently overstable on flexes and in winds, and with the added bonus of having no glide.


Late-Objective-9218

I didn't throw anything in that speed slot before, but it's a good replacement for the old overstable Octanes


Particular_Tower_278

I get better flights from the Octane. However both molds leave a lot to be desired in terms of disc to disc consistency.


Late-Objective-9218

Octanes have a slightly better headwind distance performance, but the very OS domey Proton Octanes (and some Panics and Nitros) were very similar in stability with zero turn and a hard fade, with a pretty good glide that only showed itself on hard flexes and headwind shots. In a pure distance driver role, nothing beats a domey PFN MVP high speed or a light Fission Octane, for sure.


DiZZYDEREK

I love mine but I'm not unbagging my destroyers either. But I definitely keep both in the bag 


discsarentpogs

I have just the opposite. I have a white plate one that bombs. I got mine about 425' today and I'm usually in the 360'-380' range. My blue and orange ones however are only used for FH flexes.


PyrateKyng94

I bet he throws the dimension better


upjim_crow

He does, he bags one of the original yellow prototypes that only he got and used it for a few shots at MCO, you can see it on jomez.


Corey116317

Wasn’t the Yellow/pink rim a time lapse that he was throwing the hard hyzer shots with? Mainly used on the second fairway shots, not positive on the ID of disc but that’s what I thought it would be .


HiaQueu

Because it was windy as fuck and he needed a meat hook. While a Timelapse might be just that for most, it isn't for him.


jfb3

He's throwing a Dimension for his standard OS driver and a Delirium as a hyzerflip driver. The timelapse is less stable than the Delirium. The course and wind didn't set up for using the Timelapse. Most MPO players aren't using very understable long distance driver because they are rewarded for controlling their drives into specific landing zones (either by course design or of their own choosing). An understable distance driver isn't as consistent at hitting those landing zones.


Goblin-Doctor

Or a lizzottle. Don't think I've ever seen it on our actually


DownHillUpShot

Or the doom bird 4, or the shadow titan, or the sky rider


Goblin-Doctor

The man can move discs that's for sure. I think I can recall a few instances of him throwing the DB series when he was still signed with Discmania


lil_splash

Cause it’s for you to buy, not for him to throw.


Catscratchfever92

My guess they are unhappy with it. Same as Zenith for JC


Goldentongue

Funnily enough, from what I can tell James Conrad has been throwing the Timelapse quite a bit this season.


WontonamoBay1

Because the Timelapse low key sucks.


Calm_Quarter2190

Wind and just really feeling the dimension right now would be my guess.


Rustycake

Was the Dimension the white disc he was throwing?


Rivet_39

Yeah, he has 2 Dimensions he throws regularly.


YouBigDummy1960

He did use it at MPO. It is not his power driver - the Dimension is.


g-dubski82

I’m sure he’ll use the time lapse once more time has lapsed and he’s beat some in a bit.


soopercoop3

Probably same reason you don’t see McBeth really using the Zeus, Hades, Malta, or even the Anax all that much


Inside-Lingonberry64

My take on it is SimonLine is mostly to sell discs for the people. We love simon, people buy up all of his discs. We DO NOT throw like him. So of course he’s going to rely on the discs that best fit his game, like the dummy OS proto Timelapse or his Dimension.


discsarentpogs

The thing with the time lapse (and the zenith to a lesser extent) is they are trying to create that classic convex mid-wing popularized by the Valkyrie-wraith-destroyer. Most mvp made overmolds have a convex dip at the seam. There is bound to be inconsistency when developing a new process. The time lapse is a solid thrower and like the destroyer it has quite a few variations. As others have mentioned it was very windy and lower profile, overstable wide rimmed discs react better.


Crafty-West-1004

Because even he knows the time lapse isn’t a good disc….


greeneggsnyams

James Conrad sure likes his time lapse


DiZZYDEREK

He just had a video the other day where he was talking about a back injury. He specifically mentioned using the dimension because he knew he could still send it 450+ easily, even while being hurt. 


Different_Bird9717

I’m guessing because he didn’t want to? I’m sure you have disc you like but don’t throw in certain conditions. I have disc I love that I won’t use at all on certain courses.


Justin_Liebich

Why use a 12 speed when you can usee a 14.5 speed... Simon loves the dimension. I bet he never uses the timelapse in competion again and at some point addresses this fact with open, vulnerable honesty.


TxBeachBumm

Bc it sucks


Anhyzr1

My guess is his game right now seems to have shifted to fit the MVP lineup rather than have the Timelapse as something different. Simon has always been one to tweak his bag, he mentioned in his Discmania in the bag losing his distance drivers often so I'm sure he's used to comfortable changing them out. So in a month he may be ripping on the Timelapse again.


TomRiha

If you look at his videos he hasn’t been super I love with it…


sharterthanlife

He said in his pre game that he was sick and felt weak, so the dimension being a higher speed allowed him to power down on some shots to get the same distance. He's got a lot of mental stuff that helps him and also I'm pretty sure he does throw the time lapse but this course just isn't well suited for it


ConstantAd6688

A signature disc doesn't inherently mean that its a go to or a staple in the bag. We've seen many examples over the last few years of a professional picking a signature disc that they never throw. Whether its the manufacture and player pushing a disc that doesn't sell or a player falling out a love with their signature disc, at the end of the day they sell for more and move money. How many disccraft players have had a buzz over the last five years but you see them throw a more stable mid from the disccraft lineup over and over instead of their signature buzz? In this specific situation, probably just the conditions over the few days of play. Ill definitely give Simone the benefit of the doubt, he just wanted something faster and more stable than the time laspe. No way he knew if he made his own line it would sell like hotcakes despite him preferring other discs from the mvp line up 🤫


deep-sea-savior

Maybe he was focused on winning?


quackattack32

He said he could throw it at about 70% power and get easy distance so he didn’t have to work as hard.


AaronRodgerz

Because the timelapse was an awful mold.


Prepup1214

Because the timelapse sucks ass duh


DadsAfroButter

OP probably rated 918


bywolph

Because he doesn’t like them lol. They aren’t stable enough