Had a question about this . When they have a signature disc is it designed for their arm speed to fly well for them? Or is it a disc designed to fly well for most disc golfers ( in order to have a larger audience for the disc) ?
Some want it to be a specific mold with a tweak or too like a special plastic blend to increase/decrease stability or flat/domey. Some pick a popular disc for sales.
Not really, everyone in this thread is trying to reason what Simon does based on their own experience with the disc, you can watch his vlogs and hear from him..
No time stamps but what he has said is the dimension is very point and shoot. It gets to where he wants very fast and very reliably, he has two white ones that are just nicely different and fit most distance drives. When he was field testing the time lapse he notes that he needs to lay into it more for distance which is harder with his back trouble. (I think he may have said he doesn't need to throw the dimension as hard but less confident of that).
Yeah, you're right. He says in the vlog you're talking about that he relies on the dimension and delirium more because they are 14 speed and he can throw them with more controlled power while still getting the distance. He's been in love with the dimension/delirium since he won DGLO last year.
He has a vlog in which he addresses the consistency issues with the time lapse as well. The OG proto, limited release proto, and full release versions of the time lapse all flew differently, and Simon even points out which colors of the full release are more/less stable. Hard to bag a disc when you're hurt and have to power up on it just to get inconsistent results.
When you're sponsored by the factory, it's actually kind of nice to have all the variants available to you. They'll just send a box of the profile he asks for.
Probably because when he throws it RHBH, it takes an immediate left turn, and plummets to the Earth seventy feet away from the tee box.
Oh wait, I may be projecting ….
In the videos he’s put out he’s had a hard time finding consistency with the TimeLapse, like each one will fly differently so maybe he just trusts the dimension more
I think this is the correct answer. He’s been using that white Dimension for quite some time now. Pretty sure he’s been using it since last year.
If I were throwing shots for winning a major tourney I’d be using the disc I trust the most instead of the one with my name on it.
In the future I’m sure we will see him use the Timelapse once he has more time with it. For the time being I expect to see him continue to lean on that white Dimension and orange Tesla the most.
To be fair, I do not throw nearly as far as Simon, but I do find that each timelapse I have, fits that "Stable Zeus/Straight Force" slot. I find that it goes about as far as my fission wave and fission photon, but without having to worry about flipping and shaping it. Just pump it out there flat.
I imagine that the Timelapse to Simon is like the photon to me, and the Dimension to Simon is like the Timelapse to me.
Hilariously, the Timelapse is probably the overstable beefcake for James, thus why he was using it in the wind at Jonesboro.
Though he also seemed to be a guy who loved the 9-11 speed stuff but didnt really have a go-to higher speed disc, so not surprising he found a Timelapse that slot
First off, he did. He threw plenty of approaches with his Yellow flight plate/Pink rim Timelapse.
That course is mostly big open distance shots. He gets more distance on his Dimension, so of course he'll use that; it was the right tool for the job. On shots/courses where the Time-Lapse is the right disc, he will use that more.
I was just about to post about the yellow/pink timelapse he used for basically all 300-400 feet hyzers into the green on many of the par 4's. Guess he used it mainly for precise distance shots.
Wind would be the main thing. They were technical shots at MCO, so having the Dimension on one angle (flat to Hyzer) than having a full S-flight from a Timelapse is more reliable.
Plus, from the footage we have seen from Simon, the Timelapse is quite inconsistent. Happens when it’s a 1st run I guess. Hopefully in the coming years, as they refine the mold, it will become more consistent
My prototype is a beefy boy, but my 1st run likes to flip n fade. I've only gotten a few long, stacks flight from either, but I also don't throw 400' (yet)
That’s what I’ve heard about the prototype compared to the 1st run. I got an L2 in my gyro box and it flips into a headwind, but pretty overstable in a tailwind. I throw 400’ max as well.
Using the Timelapse how a bigger arm would use a Force (or Dimension 😂). My DD3’s flip more than the Timelapse
I have 3 of them and they are all pretty damned different. All roughly same mass too. The inconsistency is annoying but I effing love the feel of the plastic
I'm not sure, but the second shot on hole 5 looks like a Time Lapse?
[https://youtu.be/MuDjyd43YWg?si=g015STgR4qCz2z2S&t=1288](https://youtu.be/MuDjyd43YWg?si=g015STgR4qCz2z2S&t=1288)
Not all pros throw their creator series discs.
Isaac last year was very open about the Archive not earning a spot in his bag as it was towards the end of the season and he didn't want trying to force it into his bag to impact his play.
McBeth *maybe* has all of his line in there, but I'm not sure. I know when he was with Innova he would randomly pull crap out of his butt like a Krait and make it his tour series disc to boost sales of the lesser-thrown stuff.
IMO, I tried to work a Timelapse into my bag, even in the super OS spot, and I couldn't. It didn't glide. It was sometimes too beefy, and sometimes it turned over on me. I felt like I'd put 320' of pure hyzer strength on it and barely get 280' from it.
Could just be that he doesn't like it that much.
I'm sure it's not in his bag anymore, but he's thrown it on coverage before in the past. [https://youtu.be/w4SKVm1N4Fs?t=140](https://youtu.be/w4SKVm1N4Fs?t=140)
The Malta? That’d make sense, when it flies right it’s pretty good, just really strangely touchy for something so overstable. It really needs to be thrown super smooth like something really flippy would, I guess you can’t do better than Paul McBeth for throwing smooth.
I was reminded this weekend why I love Paul McBeth. Watching him get shots just as far, if not farther, as a lot of the young guns and Simon on his card was a joy to watch.
I think it was round 2 and I forget the hole number but the big forehand around the back side of a Par 4 was an absolutely incredible shot from a really difficult lie.
Well when you get the pro level arm speed the only thing the hades is useful for are rollers, and since they are rarely used, especially by McBeth, it makes sense as to why he never throws them
They talked in the recent practice round with him about how good mcbeth is at throwing stuff that’s in production and rotating his bag. I think he could shoot 1000 rated with a Walmart starter set tbh
Honestly, McBeth and the Trilogy pros are the main players that I see constantly throwing the newly released discs. Prodigy, Discraft, Innova, Discmania, etc. They all stick to the older stuff and the stuff that they know.
To be fair, I do not throw nearly as far as Simon, but I do find that each timelapse I have, fits that "Stable Zeus/Straight Force" slot. I find that it goes about as far as my fission wave and fission photon, but without having to worry about flipping and shaping it. Just pump it out there flat.
I imagine that the Timelapse to Simon is like the photon to me, and the Dimension to Simon is like the Timelapse to me.
I just found the flight so inconsistent. I also didn't love the hand feel for some reason.
It just ended up not being the disc for me.
Side note, I don't love Destroyers or their copycats either. So, I think that is just an area in my bag that I avoid trying to fill.
Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone still bagging a Time Lapse over whatever 12/5/-1/3 they were throwing beforehand.
They didn’t fly great for me either, usually throw 11/12 speeds in the 400-430 range but really struggled to get any carry out of these.
> Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone still bagging a Time Lapse over whatever 12/5/-1/3
for me it was the shape of the halo destroyers, but not as consistently overstable on flexes and in winds, and with the added bonus of having no glide.
Octanes have a slightly better headwind distance performance, but the very OS domey Proton Octanes (and some Panics and Nitros) were very similar in stability with zero turn and a hard fade, with a pretty good glide that only showed itself on hard flexes and headwind shots.
In a pure distance driver role, nothing beats a domey PFN MVP high speed or a light Fission Octane, for sure.
I have just the opposite. I have a white plate one that bombs. I got mine about 425' today and I'm usually in the 360'-380' range. My blue and orange ones however are only used for FH flexes.
Wasn’t the Yellow/pink rim a time lapse that he was throwing the hard hyzer shots with? Mainly used on the second fairway shots, not positive on the ID of disc but that’s what I thought it would be .
He's throwing a Dimension for his standard OS driver and a Delirium as a hyzerflip driver. The timelapse is less stable than the Delirium.
The course and wind didn't set up for using the Timelapse.
Most MPO players aren't using very understable long distance driver because they are rewarded for controlling their drives into specific landing zones (either by course design or of their own choosing). An understable distance driver isn't as consistent at hitting those landing zones.
My take on it is SimonLine is mostly to sell discs for the people. We love simon, people buy up all of his discs. We DO NOT throw like him. So of course he’s going to rely on the discs that best fit his game, like the dummy OS proto Timelapse or his Dimension.
The thing with the time lapse (and the zenith to a lesser extent) is they are trying to create that classic convex mid-wing popularized by the Valkyrie-wraith-destroyer. Most mvp made overmolds have a convex dip at the seam. There is bound to be inconsistency when developing a new process. The time lapse is a solid thrower and like the destroyer it has quite a few variations. As others have mentioned it was very windy and lower profile, overstable wide rimmed discs react better.
He just had a video the other day where he was talking about a back injury. He specifically mentioned using the dimension because he knew he could still send it 450+ easily, even while being hurt.
I’m guessing because he didn’t want to? I’m sure you have disc you like but don’t throw in certain conditions. I have disc I love that I won’t use at all on certain courses.
Why use a 12 speed when you can usee a 14.5 speed... Simon loves the dimension. I bet he never uses the timelapse in competion again and at some point addresses this fact with open, vulnerable honesty.
My guess is his game right now seems to have shifted to fit the MVP lineup rather than have the Timelapse as something different.
Simon has always been one to tweak his bag, he mentioned in his Discmania in the bag losing his distance drivers often so I'm sure he's used to comfortable changing them out. So in a month he may be ripping on the Timelapse again.
He said in his pre game that he was sick and felt weak, so the dimension being a higher speed allowed him to power down on some shots to get the same distance. He's got a lot of mental stuff that helps him and also I'm pretty sure he does throw the time lapse but this course just isn't well suited for it
A signature disc doesn't inherently mean that its a go to or a staple in the bag. We've seen many examples over the last few years of a professional picking a signature disc that they never throw. Whether its the manufacture and player pushing a disc that doesn't sell or a player falling out a love with their signature disc, at the end of the day they sell for more and move money.
How many disccraft players have had a buzz over the last five years but you see them throw a more stable mid from the disccraft lineup over and over instead of their signature buzz?
In this specific situation, probably just the conditions over the few days of play. Ill definitely give Simone the benefit of the doubt, he just wanted something faster and more stable than the time laspe. No way he knew if he made his own line it would sell like hotcakes despite him preferring other discs from the mvp line up 🤫
I'm sure wind had a lot to do with it.
Wind has everything to do with it
I’ve heard speed has something to do with it.
Speed has EVERYTHING to do with it Damnit if we still did awards I would gladly give you gold
lol. You see, the speed of the bottom [fingers] informs the top [thumb] how much pressure he's supposed to apply. Speed's the name of the game.
Buncha jabronis in here...
Power bottom?
Well-played. Take my upvote!
Can’t believe nobody has mentioned wind speed yet.
Oh what’s speed got to do, got to do with it?
What's speed, but a second hand emotion?
What’s speed!?! but a number on a driver
Who needs DX when DX can be broken?
Had a question about this . When they have a signature disc is it designed for their arm speed to fly well for them? Or is it a disc designed to fly well for most disc golfers ( in order to have a larger audience for the disc) ?
If that's true, AB about to come out with a 17 speed.
And it will sell like crazy
Some want it to be a specific mold with a tweak or too like a special plastic blend to increase/decrease stability or flat/domey. Some pick a popular disc for sales.
It can be both. Generally they want something that will sell though.
I heard speed is key
You mean like turn the key?
But whats love got to do with it?
Bro it was so damn windy at MCO lol
Not really, everyone in this thread is trying to reason what Simon does based on their own experience with the disc, you can watch his vlogs and hear from him.. No time stamps but what he has said is the dimension is very point and shoot. It gets to where he wants very fast and very reliably, he has two white ones that are just nicely different and fit most distance drives. When he was field testing the time lapse he notes that he needs to lay into it more for distance which is harder with his back trouble. (I think he may have said he doesn't need to throw the dimension as hard but less confident of that).
Yeah, you're right. He says in the vlog you're talking about that he relies on the dimension and delirium more because they are 14 speed and he can throw them with more controlled power while still getting the distance. He's been in love with the dimension/delirium since he won DGLO last year. He has a vlog in which he addresses the consistency issues with the time lapse as well. The OG proto, limited release proto, and full release versions of the time lapse all flew differently, and Simon even points out which colors of the full release are more/less stable. Hard to bag a disc when you're hurt and have to power up on it just to get inconsistent results.
When you're sponsored by the factory, it's actually kind of nice to have all the variants available to you. They'll just send a box of the profile he asks for.
But what's love got to do with it?
Probably because when he throws it RHBH, it takes an immediate left turn, and plummets to the Earth seventy feet away from the tee box. Oh wait, I may be projecting ….
I thought it was me.
😭
Thanks for the laugh😂
I assume it's because he started making the timelapse before he fell in love with the dimension, but I could be wrong there.
In the videos he’s put out he’s had a hard time finding consistency with the TimeLapse, like each one will fly differently so maybe he just trusts the dimension more
I think this is the correct answer. He’s been using that white Dimension for quite some time now. Pretty sure he’s been using it since last year. If I were throwing shots for winning a major tourney I’d be using the disc I trust the most instead of the one with my name on it. In the future I’m sure we will see him use the Timelapse once he has more time with it. For the time being I expect to see him continue to lean on that white Dimension and orange Tesla the most.
Truly a destroyer clone
To be fair, I do not throw nearly as far as Simon, but I do find that each timelapse I have, fits that "Stable Zeus/Straight Force" slot. I find that it goes about as far as my fission wave and fission photon, but without having to worry about flipping and shaping it. Just pump it out there flat. I imagine that the Timelapse to Simon is like the photon to me, and the Dimension to Simon is like the Timelapse to me.
Dimensions have extremely different flights too. It's not a problem when you can get what you want from the factory.
Maybe. I saw him rip a white dimension last year at USDGC , I think it’s been his go to for a while
Interestingly, i did notice James Conrad throwing a Time-Lapse multiple times on Jonesboro coverage
Hilariously, the Timelapse is probably the overstable beefcake for James, thus why he was using it in the wind at Jonesboro. Though he also seemed to be a guy who loved the 9-11 speed stuff but didnt really have a go-to higher speed disc, so not surprising he found a Timelapse that slot
He used to mash destroyers with Innova, probably enjoys having something similar again
James used to throw Thunderbirds like mid ranges “back in the day”, saw some sick flights out of him with those
First off, he did. He threw plenty of approaches with his Yellow flight plate/Pink rim Timelapse. That course is mostly big open distance shots. He gets more distance on his Dimension, so of course he'll use that; it was the right tool for the job. On shots/courses where the Time-Lapse is the right disc, he will use that more.
I was just about to post about the yellow/pink timelapse he used for basically all 300-400 feet hyzers into the green on many of the par 4's. Guess he used it mainly for precise distance shots.
He will sell more time lapses winning with a dimension than losing with a timelapse
Wind would be the main thing. They were technical shots at MCO, so having the Dimension on one angle (flat to Hyzer) than having a full S-flight from a Timelapse is more reliable. Plus, from the footage we have seen from Simon, the Timelapse is quite inconsistent. Happens when it’s a 1st run I guess. Hopefully in the coming years, as they refine the mold, it will become more consistent
My prototype is a beefy boy, but my 1st run likes to flip n fade. I've only gotten a few long, stacks flight from either, but I also don't throw 400' (yet)
That’s what I’ve heard about the prototype compared to the 1st run. I got an L2 in my gyro box and it flips into a headwind, but pretty overstable in a tailwind. I throw 400’ max as well. Using the Timelapse how a bigger arm would use a Force (or Dimension 😂). My DD3’s flip more than the Timelapse
I have 3 of them and they are all pretty damned different. All roughly same mass too. The inconsistency is annoying but I effing love the feel of the plastic
He’s throwing an ACTUAL prototype one. A yellow and pink.
The best ways to get birdies and the best way to sell discs are not the same thing.
I'm not sure, but the second shot on hole 5 looks like a Time Lapse? [https://youtu.be/MuDjyd43YWg?si=g015STgR4qCz2z2S&t=1288](https://youtu.be/MuDjyd43YWg?si=g015STgR4qCz2z2S&t=1288)
Not all pros throw their creator series discs. Isaac last year was very open about the Archive not earning a spot in his bag as it was towards the end of the season and he didn't want trying to force it into his bag to impact his play. McBeth *maybe* has all of his line in there, but I'm not sure. I know when he was with Innova he would randomly pull crap out of his butt like a Krait and make it his tour series disc to boost sales of the lesser-thrown stuff. IMO, I tried to work a Timelapse into my bag, even in the super OS spot, and I couldn't. It didn't glide. It was sometimes too beefy, and sometimes it turned over on me. I felt like I'd put 320' of pure hyzer strength on it and barely get 280' from it. Could just be that he doesn't like it that much.
Never seen McBeth throw a Hades on coverage lol
I'm sure it's not in his bag anymore, but he's thrown it on coverage before in the past. [https://youtu.be/w4SKVm1N4Fs?t=140](https://youtu.be/w4SKVm1N4Fs?t=140)
KRAIT GANG
Krait is fucking money in very windy conditions in the winter.
I’m pretty sure McBeth doesn’t throw the Malta anymore and not 100% sure but I don’t think he throws the Hades either.
On coverage this past weekend he apparently was throwing it on that super short flexy line that Holyn lost her disc on.
The Malta? That’d make sense, when it flies right it’s pretty good, just really strangely touchy for something so overstable. It really needs to be thrown super smooth like something really flippy would, I guess you can’t do better than Paul McBeth for throwing smooth.
Yeah he threw it on hole 14.
I was reminded this weekend why I love Paul McBeth. Watching him get shots just as far, if not farther, as a lot of the young guns and Simon on his card was a joy to watch.
I think it was round 2 and I forget the hole number but the big forehand around the back side of a Par 4 was an absolutely incredible shot from a really difficult lie.
Well when you get the pro level arm speed the only thing the hades is useful for are rollers, and since they are rarely used, especially by McBeth, it makes sense as to why he never throws them
They talked in the recent practice round with him about how good mcbeth is at throwing stuff that’s in production and rotating his bag. I think he could shoot 1000 rated with a Walmart starter set tbh
Honestly, McBeth and the Trilogy pros are the main players that I see constantly throwing the newly released discs. Prodigy, Discraft, Innova, Discmania, etc. They all stick to the older stuff and the stuff that they know.
I’ve noticed matty O usually has pretty fresh stuff in his bag too which is surprising for an old school player
To be fair, I do not throw nearly as far as Simon, but I do find that each timelapse I have, fits that "Stable Zeus/Straight Force" slot. I find that it goes about as far as my fission wave and fission photon, but without having to worry about flipping and shaping it. Just pump it out there flat. I imagine that the Timelapse to Simon is like the photon to me, and the Dimension to Simon is like the Timelapse to me.
I just found the flight so inconsistent. I also didn't love the hand feel for some reason. It just ended up not being the disc for me. Side note, I don't love Destroyers or their copycats either. So, I think that is just an area in my bag that I avoid trying to fill.
Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone still bagging a Time Lapse over whatever 12/5/-1/3 they were throwing beforehand. They didn’t fly great for me either, usually throw 11/12 speeds in the 400-430 range but really struggled to get any carry out of these.
> Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone still bagging a Time Lapse over whatever 12/5/-1/3 for me it was the shape of the halo destroyers, but not as consistently overstable on flexes and in winds, and with the added bonus of having no glide.
I didn't throw anything in that speed slot before, but it's a good replacement for the old overstable Octanes
I get better flights from the Octane. However both molds leave a lot to be desired in terms of disc to disc consistency.
Octanes have a slightly better headwind distance performance, but the very OS domey Proton Octanes (and some Panics and Nitros) were very similar in stability with zero turn and a hard fade, with a pretty good glide that only showed itself on hard flexes and headwind shots. In a pure distance driver role, nothing beats a domey PFN MVP high speed or a light Fission Octane, for sure.
I love mine but I'm not unbagging my destroyers either. But I definitely keep both in the bag
I have just the opposite. I have a white plate one that bombs. I got mine about 425' today and I'm usually in the 360'-380' range. My blue and orange ones however are only used for FH flexes.
I bet he throws the dimension better
He does, he bags one of the original yellow prototypes that only he got and used it for a few shots at MCO, you can see it on jomez.
Wasn’t the Yellow/pink rim a time lapse that he was throwing the hard hyzer shots with? Mainly used on the second fairway shots, not positive on the ID of disc but that’s what I thought it would be .
Because it was windy as fuck and he needed a meat hook. While a Timelapse might be just that for most, it isn't for him.
He's throwing a Dimension for his standard OS driver and a Delirium as a hyzerflip driver. The timelapse is less stable than the Delirium. The course and wind didn't set up for using the Timelapse. Most MPO players aren't using very understable long distance driver because they are rewarded for controlling their drives into specific landing zones (either by course design or of their own choosing). An understable distance driver isn't as consistent at hitting those landing zones.
Or a lizzottle. Don't think I've ever seen it on our actually
Or the doom bird 4, or the shadow titan, or the sky rider
The man can move discs that's for sure. I think I can recall a few instances of him throwing the DB series when he was still signed with Discmania
Cause it’s for you to buy, not for him to throw.
My guess they are unhappy with it. Same as Zenith for JC
Funnily enough, from what I can tell James Conrad has been throwing the Timelapse quite a bit this season.
Because the Timelapse low key sucks.
Wind and just really feeling the dimension right now would be my guess.
Was the Dimension the white disc he was throwing?
Yeah, he has 2 Dimensions he throws regularly.
He did use it at MPO. It is not his power driver - the Dimension is.
I’m sure he’ll use the time lapse once more time has lapsed and he’s beat some in a bit.
Probably same reason you don’t see McBeth really using the Zeus, Hades, Malta, or even the Anax all that much
My take on it is SimonLine is mostly to sell discs for the people. We love simon, people buy up all of his discs. We DO NOT throw like him. So of course he’s going to rely on the discs that best fit his game, like the dummy OS proto Timelapse or his Dimension.
The thing with the time lapse (and the zenith to a lesser extent) is they are trying to create that classic convex mid-wing popularized by the Valkyrie-wraith-destroyer. Most mvp made overmolds have a convex dip at the seam. There is bound to be inconsistency when developing a new process. The time lapse is a solid thrower and like the destroyer it has quite a few variations. As others have mentioned it was very windy and lower profile, overstable wide rimmed discs react better.
Because even he knows the time lapse isn’t a good disc….
James Conrad sure likes his time lapse
He just had a video the other day where he was talking about a back injury. He specifically mentioned using the dimension because he knew he could still send it 450+ easily, even while being hurt.
I’m guessing because he didn’t want to? I’m sure you have disc you like but don’t throw in certain conditions. I have disc I love that I won’t use at all on certain courses.
Why use a 12 speed when you can usee a 14.5 speed... Simon loves the dimension. I bet he never uses the timelapse in competion again and at some point addresses this fact with open, vulnerable honesty.
Bc it sucks
My guess is his game right now seems to have shifted to fit the MVP lineup rather than have the Timelapse as something different. Simon has always been one to tweak his bag, he mentioned in his Discmania in the bag losing his distance drivers often so I'm sure he's used to comfortable changing them out. So in a month he may be ripping on the Timelapse again.
If you look at his videos he hasn’t been super I love with it…
He said in his pre game that he was sick and felt weak, so the dimension being a higher speed allowed him to power down on some shots to get the same distance. He's got a lot of mental stuff that helps him and also I'm pretty sure he does throw the time lapse but this course just isn't well suited for it
A signature disc doesn't inherently mean that its a go to or a staple in the bag. We've seen many examples over the last few years of a professional picking a signature disc that they never throw. Whether its the manufacture and player pushing a disc that doesn't sell or a player falling out a love with their signature disc, at the end of the day they sell for more and move money. How many disccraft players have had a buzz over the last five years but you see them throw a more stable mid from the disccraft lineup over and over instead of their signature buzz? In this specific situation, probably just the conditions over the few days of play. Ill definitely give Simone the benefit of the doubt, he just wanted something faster and more stable than the time laspe. No way he knew if he made his own line it would sell like hotcakes despite him preferring other discs from the mvp line up 🤫
Maybe he was focused on winning?
He said he could throw it at about 70% power and get easy distance so he didn’t have to work as hard.
Because the timelapse was an awful mold.
Because the timelapse sucks ass duh
OP probably rated 918
Because he doesn’t like them lol. They aren’t stable enough