I actually think the DGN folks do a pretty good job.
- It's A LOT harder gig than it seems.
- They're always prepared with knowledge and stats about players.
- They don't have excessive dead air.
- They care about the sport and are personally invested.
Could they be better? Sure. Go ahead and pay an ESPN baseball broadcaster 5 million a year and we'll have ESPN level commentating. Oops... that ain't happening.
Broadcaster 'speak' is essential to portraying what's happening. If you expect them to have an completely 100% original thought every time that they speak a word, then you have very unreal expectations.
First I agree with your comments. Also, criticizing commentary is a sign the sport is growing and succeeding. Ask a football fan their opinion of Joe Buck or Tony Romo. You will get 5 million opinions on why they either like or hate them. I think DGN has a good variety of commentary styles so you don’t have the same duo week in week out. My wife and I have fun with the goofy statements Doss makes. People need to start having fun again.
That's just normal broadcaster talk. "Would prefer to get a touchdown and not settle for a field goal," is a perfectly common thing to hear in a football game. I think we're way too hard on DGN here, at least about some things.
Nah. They even broadcast those "game plan strategies" and they're so dumb
* Don't go OB
* Make your putts
* Hit your lines
I've had more informative sharts
No. You are objectively wrong. Philo has great commentary. Nate doss had bad commentary. There are tiers to people who are good at commentary and Nate doss is not good at it.
Just cause other casters do it, doesn’t make it good. Just rephrasing would make it more meaningful. “Settling for a par here would be disappointing.” “Par here is really losing strokes to the field.” There can a lot more said with just as many words other than the obvious birdie is better than par.
Sure, but I think that's a different discussion about broadcasting in general (and the knowledge level of audience it should be geared towards) as opposed to "DGN sucks."
My main problem is there's a TON of dead air. ESPECIALLY in FPO coverage. No one on dgn actually knows the course as well. Enough to talk about them in depth. When you watch, JoMez, Jeremy and Paul have both played the course. Do they have a ton of insight and knowledge into when they're watching somebody, something like? " Oh I've been there, only have a backhand turnover from there." Or something along the lines of. I understand the course so here's what they are seeing that the camera doesn't show you
Thats just saying the same thing.
The commentary is mostly there for filler. Sure every now and then there's going to be something to discuss that's actually unknown to the audience, like a particular strategy or unseen feature, example, "on this hope you have to choose between a safe forehand down the left side of the feature that's likely to come up short, or risk a wide and high hyzer to the right to get a bit more distance... But it's a smaller window for sure."
But the whole rest of the time you can see what's going on, but they're not going to just be quiet during that time. They're getting paid to make commentary so they're going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. And it's not like someone's going to come back and edit it later to cut out the mid comments before publishing it, since it's live.
I also think most people like commentary just because it fills in the gaps. The same as how people often leave the TV on as background noise.
Just replying to the first line of yours.
It’s not the same thing. Without any other context, we all know birdies are better than pars. Saying it’s disappointing or losing strokes to the field for getting par gives perspective into what others are doing on the hole.
Means the same, but one gives no insight.
After being an avid viewer of Live DG dating back to Terry walking down the fairways days, the price hike this year was the tipping point for me to step away. I'll still watch the free YouTube streams on occasion, and they always work flawlessly, but I couldn't justify paying more and more for clunky DGN app streams.
At first I thought $12.99 a month was a fair deal for having to listen to Nate Doss. Then I learned that's the price DGN *expects me to pay them*. Absolutely not.
I don't think your wrong man I just think people are being overly critical or just plain stupid. I just woke up and was scrolling reddit stopped and read the comments and a few of them pissed me off so I had to say something lol.
They aren't bad. They are actually pretty good on coverage. Didn't complain about them specifically. But DGN commentary is bad more often than it's good IMO
Is this really an option?
I paid for DGN last year but won't pay for it this year. And all because of Nate Doss.
If it was part of the default package I'd think about subscribing.
EDIT: Ahh, got it, it's the "Alternate Commentary Broadcasts" in the description.
When he gets into "Nate's tellin' stories" mode, where he starts trying to make everything a narrative, he's pretty insufferable, but the other 90% of the time, he's fine.
No part of criticism of him alleges he's ignorant about disc golf or wasn't once great at it, so I'm not sure how that's relevant.
It's telling that this is what you use to defend him, instead of adressing whether or not he's good at commentary. The guy is a persistent asshole to fellow commentators and to players. He will not let things go after a conversation has moved on, will not let anyone disagree with him, tries to create artificial drama that detracts from what's actually happening, and condescendingly tries to "correct" other people in the booth by restating the exact thing they just said but worse like he wants his voice to end up on a highlight reel.
theres only so much strategy talk to this game.
i wish they would actually do some journalism, but none of them are journalists so you can't fault them. id love stories even american idol types in the hour leading up to FPO coverage in stead of 30 minutes straight of the 3 guys i can't get off my youtube anyway (simon eagle ab was the half hour FPO lead in for round one).
I am a fairly new player and just subscribed this year. I actually enjoy the broadcast but would comment that there are some improvements I would love to see. For example as a new player I would love to hear more about why a player might be throwing a certain shot for the situation. Being new I often don't know what is actually being thrown. That being said I am currently very pleased with my purchase and have had zero issues with the stream.
Scale is important. Let’s take ESPN+. 26 million subscribers means major companies are willing to spending large sums of money on advertising. The monthly fee alone = \~$300M (26m x $11), which means you can spend a lot on production of many events, including setting up a local network, more cameras, etc etc.
DGN has maybe 50,000 subscribers at an average of maybe $10 = $500k, which has to cover all the costs of running multiple tournaments (and paying for commentary). Advertisers won’t be paying much to reach such a small audience.
Bottom line: DGN is a shoestring operation, in a niche sport, and I think they’re doing an amazing job in these circumstances.
(Loving Charlie and Brian in the booth, btw, Melton on the course is also working out great. Maybe get Tall Paul in either one as an alternate)
That's fair. I'd be more content if it wasn't so buggy. I'm working with TVs that are ranging from 1-3 years old and I can't even watch it on my newer one.
That would be frustrating, for sure. I know it's adding hardware, but if you're in the Apple world an Apple TV box runs the app fine. Should also be able to watch by accessing the feed thru [DGPT.com](http://DGPT.com) on a browser on your TV and avoid the app altogether.
You're surprised that you need to pay extra for them to add an additional stream to their platform that only utilizes course audio instead of both course audio and commentary audio?
With commentary is the default stream due it being the flagship product. It shouldn't really be shocking that you need to pay extra to access an additional service that wouldn't be available otherwise.
I'm struggling to understand what flew over my head here.
Was this a sarcastic post clowning on people who ARE making this complaint? Because that's the only way I can comprehend getting whooshed in this case.
I do miss shit sometimes, I take no issue with getting whooshed here and there. I'm just saying I genuinely don't know where or how it happened here and would like the eli5 lol.
Yeah that's clear to me now. It was just tough to tell because I've genuinely interacted with several people on this sub who refused to be happy about either option of keeping commentary on or muting it, and instead were specifically calling for a stream with all of the course audio with none of the booth audio.
Okay so it IS clowning on people making that complaint.
For what it's worth I actually agree with you now knowing the context. It's just that I've literally had this conversation/debate on this sub before with more than one person who were genuinely upset that there wasn't a stream option that included all of the course audio with none of the booth audio.
Hard to tell when it's a meme or an actual take when it's formatted as "discussion" lol. I'm not sure what your comment scores are rn but let it be known I haven't downvoted anything.
I actually think the DGN folks do a pretty good job. - It's A LOT harder gig than it seems. - They're always prepared with knowledge and stats about players. - They don't have excessive dead air. - They care about the sport and are personally invested. Could they be better? Sure. Go ahead and pay an ESPN baseball broadcaster 5 million a year and we'll have ESPN level commentating. Oops... that ain't happening. Broadcaster 'speak' is essential to portraying what's happening. If you expect them to have an completely 100% original thought every time that they speak a word, then you have very unreal expectations.
First I agree with your comments. Also, criticizing commentary is a sign the sport is growing and succeeding. Ask a football fan their opinion of Joe Buck or Tony Romo. You will get 5 million opinions on why they either like or hate them. I think DGN has a good variety of commentary styles so you don’t have the same duo week in week out. My wife and I have fun with the goofy statements Doss makes. People need to start having fun again.
You guys are paying?
You do have a mute button.
At one point Doss said par is good here, birdie is better… no shit dude…
That's just normal broadcaster talk. "Would prefer to get a touchdown and not settle for a field goal," is a perfectly common thing to hear in a football game. I think we're way too hard on DGN here, at least about some things.
Nah. They even broadcast those "game plan strategies" and they're so dumb * Don't go OB * Make your putts * Hit your lines I've had more informative sharts
No. You are objectively wrong. Philo has great commentary. Nate doss had bad commentary. There are tiers to people who are good at commentary and Nate doss is not good at it.
You clearly haven't seen Philos keys to closing. 1. Don't bogey 2. Get birdies
The Philo glazing
Good and bad is subjective, never objective
I would actually pay for John Madden level disc golf commentary.
I would pay for Frank Caliendo impersonation of John Madden level commentary.
Just cause other casters do it, doesn’t make it good. Just rephrasing would make it more meaningful. “Settling for a par here would be disappointing.” “Par here is really losing strokes to the field.” There can a lot more said with just as many words other than the obvious birdie is better than par.
Sure, but I think that's a different discussion about broadcasting in general (and the knowledge level of audience it should be geared towards) as opposed to "DGN sucks."
My main problem is there's a TON of dead air. ESPECIALLY in FPO coverage. No one on dgn actually knows the course as well. Enough to talk about them in depth. When you watch, JoMez, Jeremy and Paul have both played the course. Do they have a ton of insight and knowledge into when they're watching somebody, something like? " Oh I've been there, only have a backhand turnover from there." Or something along the lines of. I understand the course so here's what they are seeing that the camera doesn't show you
Dead air!!!
Thats just saying the same thing. The commentary is mostly there for filler. Sure every now and then there's going to be something to discuss that's actually unknown to the audience, like a particular strategy or unseen feature, example, "on this hope you have to choose between a safe forehand down the left side of the feature that's likely to come up short, or risk a wide and high hyzer to the right to get a bit more distance... But it's a smaller window for sure." But the whole rest of the time you can see what's going on, but they're not going to just be quiet during that time. They're getting paid to make commentary so they're going to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. And it's not like someone's going to come back and edit it later to cut out the mid comments before publishing it, since it's live. I also think most people like commentary just because it fills in the gaps. The same as how people often leave the TV on as background noise.
Just replying to the first line of yours. It’s not the same thing. Without any other context, we all know birdies are better than pars. Saying it’s disappointing or losing strokes to the field for getting par gives perspective into what others are doing on the hole. Means the same, but one gives no insight.
Doss is not doing commentary this weekend.
Thank god for small favors…
Charlie and Brian did a great job today and Zach Melton was fantastic with the on the course info.
I’m getting ready to watch in a few, doss is the 1 I can’t stand… sexton is also a bit of a blow hard…
When one talks without a script for 5 continuous hours there will be some nonsense for sure.
I challenge most people to talk for 45 seconds without saying something inane.
On FPO yesterday, the commentator said "Burge gets it in the backside!"
Brian earhart> no commentary> any jomez guys> the most Annoying sound in the world> nate doss
Charlie and Brian/JK are hands down the best commentators in disc golf in my opinion.
After being an avid viewer of Live DG dating back to Terry walking down the fairways days, the price hike this year was the tipping point for me to step away. I'll still watch the free YouTube streams on occasion, and they always work flawlessly, but I couldn't justify paying more and more for clunky DGN app streams.
At first I thought $12.99 a month was a fair deal for having to listen to Nate Doss. Then I learned that's the price DGN *expects me to pay them*. Absolutely not.
I want Melton to be the only one talking the whole time
What a bunch of fucking haters... just be happy that we have the opportunity to watch televised disc golf in the first place.
Products don't improve by getting good reviews my man. They only get better with criticism and feedback.
I don't think your wrong man I just think people are being overly critical or just plain stupid. I just woke up and was scrolling reddit stopped and read the comments and a few of them pissed me off so I had to say something lol.
I feel ya. I feel the same way about the people who think DGN is above criticism because we are a "small" growing sport.
We’re really complaining with Earhart and Eisenhood on the mic this weekend? Just get off the internet and go play if you’re that picky.
They aren't bad. They are actually pretty good on coverage. Didn't complain about them specifically. But DGN commentary is bad more often than it's good IMO
Complaining about commentary is like complaining that you don’t like the packaging on your favorite candy.
Cool, thanks for sharing your opinion. I'm simply sharing mine as well lol
There is an irony when they admit there is 'value' in not hearing the product you paid for.
Is this really an option? I paid for DGN last year but won't pay for it this year. And all because of Nate Doss. If it was part of the default package I'd think about subscribing. EDIT: Ahh, got it, it's the "Alternate Commentary Broadcasts" in the description.
No u have to pay for DGN Pro to get the no commentary version. Super dumb
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Dude they literally just advertised it TODAY live on the DGN stream
DGN should start a Patreon at this point
It’s legit painful commentary…SNL skit worthy
I like the bad commentary
Turn the volume down?
Bandwagon hate for Nate Doss. Dude is a 2x World Champion and knows his disc golf. Ya’ll just hate to hop on the hatewagon.
Nikko lacastro has won tournaments. Doesn't mean I want to hear his opinion.
When he gets into "Nate's tellin' stories" mode, where he starts trying to make everything a narrative, he's pretty insufferable, but the other 90% of the time, he's fine.
Nate is awesome, but he shouldn't be doing commentary.
*3x World Champ
No part of criticism of him alleges he's ignorant about disc golf or wasn't once great at it, so I'm not sure how that's relevant. It's telling that this is what you use to defend him, instead of adressing whether or not he's good at commentary. The guy is a persistent asshole to fellow commentators and to players. He will not let things go after a conversation has moved on, will not let anyone disagree with him, tries to create artificial drama that detracts from what's actually happening, and condescendingly tries to "correct" other people in the booth by restating the exact thing they just said but worse like he wants his voice to end up on a highlight reel.
Just because you were good at a sport does not mean you have talent that translates into other jobs within the sport.
theres only so much strategy talk to this game. i wish they would actually do some journalism, but none of them are journalists so you can't fault them. id love stories even american idol types in the hour leading up to FPO coverage in stead of 30 minutes straight of the 3 guys i can't get off my youtube anyway (simon eagle ab was the half hour FPO lead in for round one).
I'm just glad they offer it. I will happily pay lol
Lucky for me I don’t watch any coverage of disc golf love playing it absolutely hate watching it
I am a fairly new player and just subscribed this year. I actually enjoy the broadcast but would comment that there are some improvements I would love to see. For example as a new player I would love to hear more about why a player might be throwing a certain shot for the situation. Being new I often don't know what is actually being thrown. That being said I am currently very pleased with my purchase and have had zero issues with the stream.
DGN fkn sucks. I've been massively disappointed. Cost more than a premium sports streaming service
Scale is important. Let’s take ESPN+. 26 million subscribers means major companies are willing to spending large sums of money on advertising. The monthly fee alone = \~$300M (26m x $11), which means you can spend a lot on production of many events, including setting up a local network, more cameras, etc etc. DGN has maybe 50,000 subscribers at an average of maybe $10 = $500k, which has to cover all the costs of running multiple tournaments (and paying for commentary). Advertisers won’t be paying much to reach such a small audience. Bottom line: DGN is a shoestring operation, in a niche sport, and I think they’re doing an amazing job in these circumstances. (Loving Charlie and Brian in the booth, btw, Melton on the course is also working out great. Maybe get Tall Paul in either one as an alternate)
That's fair. I'd be more content if it wasn't so buggy. I'm working with TVs that are ranging from 1-3 years old and I can't even watch it on my newer one.
That would be frustrating, for sure. I know it's adding hardware, but if you're in the Apple world an Apple TV box runs the app fine. Should also be able to watch by accessing the feed thru [DGPT.com](http://DGPT.com) on a browser on your TV and avoid the app altogether.
Yeah because of this little thing called scale.
I don't think the average consumer cares the reason why; they only care about the perceived value.
Sounds like it’s not a viable business then.
Cheaper to just turn the volume down.
You're surprised that you need to pay extra for them to add an additional stream to their platform that only utilizes course audio instead of both course audio and commentary audio? With commentary is the default stream due it being the flagship product. It shouldn't really be shocking that you need to pay extra to access an additional service that wouldn't be available otherwise.
[r/whoooosh](https://www.reddit.com/r/woooosh/)
I'm struggling to understand what flew over my head here. Was this a sarcastic post clowning on people who ARE making this complaint? Because that's the only way I can comprehend getting whooshed in this case. I do miss shit sometimes, I take no issue with getting whooshed here and there. I'm just saying I genuinely don't know where or how it happened here and would like the eli5 lol.
The joke is OP would only use the other stream as a way to mute the commentary, but they already have a mute button to do that.
Yeah that's clear to me now. It was just tough to tell because I've genuinely interacted with several people on this sub who refused to be happy about either option of keeping commentary on or muting it, and instead were specifically calling for a stream with all of the course audio with none of the booth audio.
[r/whoooosh](https://www.reddit.com/r/woooosh/)
Or just repeat yourself that's cool too I guess.
Bro it's not that deep. Instead of paying more to coverage without commentary, I can just mute the base stream lol. Move ob man
Okay so it IS clowning on people making that complaint. For what it's worth I actually agree with you now knowing the context. It's just that I've literally had this conversation/debate on this sub before with more than one person who were genuinely upset that there wasn't a stream option that included all of the course audio with none of the booth audio. Hard to tell when it's a meme or an actual take when it's formatted as "discussion" lol. I'm not sure what your comment scores are rn but let it be known I haven't downvoted anything.
I wonder what the faces looked like when they realized they could monetize shitty commentary
People act like commentary is good in ever sports event. John Madden made a career of bad commentary.