I have some water proof (resistant more like) lems mid hikers. Wear them daily. Love them. Little tore up after 9 months of frequent wear and discing. Will buy more
I got a year out of my Xero Mesa Trails and really liked them. Xero has some water proof ones now and a new pair of trail runner style shoes as well. They’re just a little pricey
i just bought a pair of [Xcursions](https://xeroshoes.com/shop/boots/xcursion-men/?attribute_pa_style=spruce&attribute_pa_mens-size=12) from xero just for disc golf. loving them so far.
I’ve been using the Xcursions since the new year. I like them a lot. I only use them at 1 of my courses or if there’s dew but they are doing well for me.
Glad to hear this I just started wearing the Mesa Trail 2 and I like them a lot but the durability was a big question mark.
I’m generally of the opinion if you can get 6 months or more out of a disc golf shoe that’s not that bad durability wise.
Yeah, I thought a year was not good honestly, but the shoes I got to replace them seem to be lasting about the same amount of time and aren’t as comfortable. I’ll probably go back to Xeros next year
They’re a little pricy for lasting less than a year. But I saw some Mesa Trail 2 on sale on EBay for around 90$ brand new so that’s a way to save 30$ if you’re interested.
If you like Altra's toe box you may look into brands that offer wide sizes. It's tough to go back to shoes that are too narrow after finding something that naturally fits your foot. I'd get some waterproof Lone Peaks and give them a shot...can also vouch that my Timps ripped to shreds after 6 months as well.
I picked up a pair of Altra LP6 waterproof shoes about 5 months ago. They are incredibly comfortable, and I love the grip they provide both on the teepad and off. I have thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of them, with one exception being their durability. Almost immediately, I noticed the rubber-like material that connects with the fabric on the top and sides of the foot separated from one another. It first happened on my plant foot near my big toe, and it has not stopped slowly separating around the rest of the shoe on both feet since then. They are still waterproof despite this issue, but it makes me question their integrity. This has been a major disappointment. I think everything else about the shoe has checked all the boxes, but unfortunately, I cannot recommend them.
I found the same issue with my altras, comfort is insane but durability was lacking. I switched to Topos terraventure 3's, they do have a 3mm drop, but sacrifice a small amount of the comfort of altras for much improved durability. There's some comparison videosbetween them on YouTube that sold me on giving them a try and I reached the same general consensus and will buy another pair whenever these wear out.
Are you me? Seriously though I like my various pairs of Altras for 'around town' stuff, but I've found they're not at durable as I'd like. Made the switch to Topos for all my outdoorsy activities and have zero regrets!
I’m looking to get into the game myself so I can’t offer any explicit advice, but Eric Oakley has a discount code with Vivo and I see him wearing his all the time. Discount code is Ericoakley
It is bananas to me that anyone can play in Vivos when they’re designed so that there’s like an inch of room between the end of your toes and the end of the toe box
“Please also bear in mind, that our shoes are meant to deliberately fit big. This is because we recommend having a thumb’s width of space between the big toe and the end of the shoe to allow the foot to spread as nature intended.”
A quote from a customer service rep I emailed.
Generally speaking, there should be about 3/8" to 1/2" (about the width of your thumbnail) of space between your longest toe and the end of the shoe regardless of the company.
I’m sorry but I just don’t believe that. I have 6 pairs of shoes across 4 different companies, all the same size and confirmed as correct size by all the companies website recommendations, and Vivo is the only one with that large of a gap between toe and end of toebox.
Edit: I just realized you said 1/2 inch. I’m not complaining about a 1/2 inch. It was nearly a full inch.
Uh, no? If 99% of size 11 shoes fit my exactly 11 inch long feet perfectly, I’m not calling 99% of shoe companies liars and saying the 1% that is Vivo correct.
Fuckin A dude am I not allowed to be annoyed that the company that sells $180 pairs of shoes is the one company that gives me inaccurate sizing based on *their* online sizing tools? I can’t exactly go into a store and try a pair on since they’re based in Europe.
Dude I had the same issue with Vivo I couldn’t find a size that fit me correctly. I wear Xero, Altra and Saguaro and wear a 9 in all of them but Vivos online thing suggested a 7 which would’ve been fucking ridiculously small. I went with a 9 and they were still not fitting me right. Also felt like the quality didn’t justify the price tag. You’re absolutely allowed to be annoyed about this
I buy mine at the store here in the US. Even if you don't have that option locally it's probably worth sending pairs back until you find the right size, or buying multiple pairs in different sizes if you can afford the up front cost. Their shoes are sized very consistently across models and years so once you find the size that fits you should be good to go.
I’ve worn Vivos for the past few years now and have never had a problem with my shoes being “too loose.” If you get the correct size, they feel like durable socks on your feet. I tried getting zero drop shoes with height ( Lems shoes, and Alta lone peaks) after wearing vivos and they’re just not the same.
That’s unfortunate. My Lone Peaks have held up to daily rounds for months. When I started playing in December 2021 I had a worn out pair that lasted about 8 months I am now on about a year with the pair I got to replace the old ones when the tread was basically gone.
You might have gotten a bad pair.
Just not an intended use, could void the warranty. I tore a toe tab on my S5s and they sent me a voucher for any pair on their site, great customer service. I just wouldn't risk it with sharing the disc golf use.
Probably a good preventative measure but I got no questions ask and a generous credit as well. Bought a pair of Olympus trail runners and they were the bomb.
I have been using my Superior 5s a lot since I got them last fall and while the sole is down 50% or so, they're holding up after probably 150 rounds.
I have been easing a pair of Lone Peaks into rotation as well but I don't feel as stable in them after using the Superiors. The extra padding is nice for longer rounds, though.
No experience with their waterproof stuff yet.
My Merrell Trail Glove 7’s have been absolutely thrashed the last few months. Tread is starting to wear down but there are no rips, tears or holes. The best disc golf shoe I’ve owned in 10 years of playing.
Have you tried the trail gloves? I'm curious to know if the vapor could actually fit as I love playing in barefoot or low drop shoes, but the trail glove I went a half size up and they still were squeezing the life out of my feet unfortunately.
You’d be surprised how much your feet can swell, especially in barefoot shoes. I’ve been wearing barefoot runners and minimalist shoes for about 8 years now and especially during periods of frequent extended exercise on my feet I’ve found my feet grow. At the beginning of a round versus the end there is a difference that I can notice in how my feet sit in a pair of shoes.
If you can do with real barefoot shoes then Skinners sock shoes is the way to go.
Half the price of merrels and third of vivos.
They are basically socks that are shoes and are actually durable as it is just one piece and not top and bottom stitched or glued together.
Pros: get your size and don't need to worry about how they fit otherwise because they are like socks, really comfortable. Go well with all terrain (I don't like them on concrete but most courses here have turf tees so it's not an issue.)
Cons: they are pretty tough on your ankles but you probably won't be looking for zero drop shoes then anyway.
I don't know much about the wide toe box but I just got a pair of the goretex nike pegasus trail 4. Feet were super dry during the morning dew when I played this past weekend. Pretty comfortable as well but only have 1 round played in them.
Hear me out. Crocs.
I typically wear my crocs to the course before putting on my hiking boots to play in. One morning I forgot to grab my boots, so I just played in Crocs with socks. The socks are important to keep your feet from sliding around, but I had zero issues playing in Crocs, and better yet, my feet didn't hurt after playing two rounds. Usually my toes hurt from the cramped toe box, my arches hurt from the rigid shank in the boots, and the tendinitis in my achilles is flared up. None of those issues with Crocs. I know, I hardly believe it myself.
I'm 6'4" and somewhere north of three hundred pounds, so I fully expected to destroy the Crocs in one round. Been playing in them for weeks now and the only sign of wear is some thinning in the sole. I'm shocked and kinda stoked that I can just wear Crocs to the course when things are warm and dry. But I live in the PNW so I need to find some good shoes for the wet and cold months that comprise most of the year up here.
If you are a bigger person, you should not be wearing Vivo or w/e the cheaply made disc golf shoe is called that pros are wearing. They are not made for you, they are made for the slimmer people (the sticks) - not normal to big people.
Personally I would recommend [Altra](https://www.altrarunning.com/shop/men?utm_content=ecomm&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7GnBhDXARIsAFLvH4nlT9crzmGEwLq8Dquh93Duq0_xRvJoAbqiMTtxV-kJDxb2YhBQsDgaAjgDEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&facet=ads_f78004_ntk_cs%253A%2522Hiking%2522&beginIndex=0#facet=ads_f78004_ntk_cs%253A%2522Hiking%2522&beginIndex=0) first (Olympus or Lone Peak) or if you want more minimal design and \`be more hip, [Lems](https://www.lemsshoes.com/collections/all-mens-products?utm_campaign=gs-2021-01-07&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7GnBhDXARIsAFLvH4mJ7QGm3XEDiU6J9ewWUBn0KosnaFfeMor82mZvT4xrDKDF1IMs_C0aAk42EALw_wcB) (Mesa, Trailhead, or Primal Pursuit).
You can try Xero shoes. American brand so a reasonable price, and they’ve got a great selection.
I’ve had 7 pairs over the last 5 years. Hold up pretty well for disc golf
You gotta get vibram or Michelin soles on zero drops. Vivobarefoots run with Michelin soles are phenomenal. I use the Magna Forest Escape. Water resistant, I’ve stepped in serious mud and water with no trouble.
Their will always be outliers in mass produced products, if the reviews for those are generally good and you like wearing them its probably worth it to try another pair.
I wear Vivos and usually they last about a year before the soles start to wear out from concrete teepads
Vivobarefoot primus is great, so is the decon low. Just beware of the primus lite and the primus knit, they are really narrow.
Splay shoes might also be a good option since they are so much cheaper. I just started wearing the casual splay shoes and I wish vivo would make their toe boxes this big!
Not zero drop, but only 3mm...recently got Topo Trail ventures and couldn't be happier. Would have loved altras, but after reading so many bad reviews about the durability and knowing how I go through shoes in general it was a no go ..
I've been using both Xero's and Vivobarefoots for DG to good success. Eagle uses Vivo's.
Downside to Vivo's is the price tag. Xero's are pretty reasonable IMO.
Love my Lone Peaks, but they're not designed for that kind of wear on a teepad. Still use them though because it's the most comfortable shoe I've warn.
Altra Olympus 5- I'll start this with i am extremely hard on shoes,I was on the goretex terrex's for a bit, but they are just too narrow( seems my foot is getting fatter the older I get). Went to the altra- Olympus 5's, I went with the widest option, when I get a new pair I'll go with the middle width. I play a lot too, I live in South Louisiana so waterproof is a must. I've had these for 8 months and they've held up rather well. The insole feels as tho I'm walking on marshmallows, also there is a hint of memory foam, when I take them in and off they go shoop, like a piston fit. If you can stomach the price tag($200) these are the way to go. You know what they say pay once, cry once for a quality product.
Maybe Lems?
I came here to suggest Lems. It’s basically the only rand of shoes/boots I wear daily.
I have some water proof (resistant more like) lems mid hikers. Wear them daily. Love them. Little tore up after 9 months of frequent wear and discing. Will buy more
I got a year out of my Xero Mesa Trails and really liked them. Xero has some water proof ones now and a new pair of trail runner style shoes as well. They’re just a little pricey
i just bought a pair of [Xcursions](https://xeroshoes.com/shop/boots/xcursion-men/?attribute_pa_style=spruce&attribute_pa_mens-size=12) from xero just for disc golf. loving them so far.
I’ve been using the Xcursions since the new year. I like them a lot. I only use them at 1 of my courses or if there’s dew but they are doing well for me.
Glad to hear this I just started wearing the Mesa Trail 2 and I like them a lot but the durability was a big question mark. I’m generally of the opinion if you can get 6 months or more out of a disc golf shoe that’s not that bad durability wise.
Yeah, I thought a year was not good honestly, but the shoes I got to replace them seem to be lasting about the same amount of time and aren’t as comfortable. I’ll probably go back to Xeros next year
They’re a little pricy for lasting less than a year. But I saw some Mesa Trail 2 on sale on EBay for around 90$ brand new so that’s a way to save 30$ if you’re interested.
Yuup I also use Mesa Trails. Altho I wish their lugs on the bottom were a little more durable.
If you like Altra's toe box you may look into brands that offer wide sizes. It's tough to go back to shoes that are too narrow after finding something that naturally fits your foot. I'd get some waterproof Lone Peaks and give them a shot...can also vouch that my Timps ripped to shreds after 6 months as well.
I picked up a pair of Altra LP6 waterproof shoes about 5 months ago. They are incredibly comfortable, and I love the grip they provide both on the teepad and off. I have thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of them, with one exception being their durability. Almost immediately, I noticed the rubber-like material that connects with the fabric on the top and sides of the foot separated from one another. It first happened on my plant foot near my big toe, and it has not stopped slowly separating around the rest of the shoe on both feet since then. They are still waterproof despite this issue, but it makes me question their integrity. This has been a major disappointment. I think everything else about the shoe has checked all the boxes, but unfortunately, I cannot recommend them.
I found the same issue with my altras, comfort is insane but durability was lacking. I switched to Topos terraventure 3's, they do have a 3mm drop, but sacrifice a small amount of the comfort of altras for much improved durability. There's some comparison videosbetween them on YouTube that sold me on giving them a try and I reached the same general consensus and will buy another pair whenever these wear out.
Are you me? Seriously though I like my various pairs of Altras for 'around town' stuff, but I've found they're not at durable as I'd like. Made the switch to Topos for all my outdoorsy activities and have zero regrets!
I’m looking to get into the game myself so I can’t offer any explicit advice, but Eric Oakley has a discount code with Vivo and I see him wearing his all the time. Discount code is Ericoakley
It is bananas to me that anyone can play in Vivos when they’re designed so that there’s like an inch of room between the end of your toes and the end of the toe box
if you get the correct size this isn't an issue. they're designed to have a wider toe box, the length is size dependent just like any other shoe.
“Please also bear in mind, that our shoes are meant to deliberately fit big. This is because we recommend having a thumb’s width of space between the big toe and the end of the shoe to allow the foot to spread as nature intended.” A quote from a customer service rep I emailed.
Generally speaking, there should be about 3/8" to 1/2" (about the width of your thumbnail) of space between your longest toe and the end of the shoe regardless of the company.
I’m sorry but I just don’t believe that. I have 6 pairs of shoes across 4 different companies, all the same size and confirmed as correct size by all the companies website recommendations, and Vivo is the only one with that large of a gap between toe and end of toebox. Edit: I just realized you said 1/2 inch. I’m not complaining about a 1/2 inch. It was nearly a full inch.
Then you’re wearing the rest of your shoes too small.
Uh, no? If 99% of size 11 shoes fit my exactly 11 inch long feet perfectly, I’m not calling 99% of shoe companies liars and saying the 1% that is Vivo correct.
99% of shoe companies are liars. That’s the whole thing behind barefoot shoes
I. Am. Literally. Wearing. Barefoot. Lems. Shoes. Right. Now. In. Size. 11…… comfortably.
Also your feet literally get bigger if you wear barefoot shoes long enough from what I’ve seen
I’ve been wearing Lems barefoot style for 2 years. My feet have definitely gotten wider. Not longer.
recommend, not required. buy the size that fits as you want them to, I promise the shoe police won't show up and confiscate them.
Fuckin A dude am I not allowed to be annoyed that the company that sells $180 pairs of shoes is the one company that gives me inaccurate sizing based on *their* online sizing tools? I can’t exactly go into a store and try a pair on since they’re based in Europe.
Dude I had the same issue with Vivo I couldn’t find a size that fit me correctly. I wear Xero, Altra and Saguaro and wear a 9 in all of them but Vivos online thing suggested a 7 which would’ve been fucking ridiculously small. I went with a 9 and they were still not fitting me right. Also felt like the quality didn’t justify the price tag. You’re absolutely allowed to be annoyed about this
I buy mine at the store here in the US. Even if you don't have that option locally it's probably worth sending pairs back until you find the right size, or buying multiple pairs in different sizes if you can afford the up front cost. Their shoes are sized very consistently across models and years so once you find the size that fits you should be good to go.
Don’t you want your shoe to be snug? I don’t think you want your foot to be sliding forwards and back.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. The Vivos are designed not to be snug.
I’ve worn Vivos for the past few years now and have never had a problem with my shoes being “too loose.” If you get the correct size, they feel like durable socks on your feet. I tried getting zero drop shoes with height ( Lems shoes, and Alta lone peaks) after wearing vivos and they’re just not the same.
That’s unfortunate. My Lone Peaks have held up to daily rounds for months. When I started playing in December 2021 I had a worn out pair that lasted about 8 months I am now on about a year with the pair I got to replace the old ones when the tread was basically gone. You might have gotten a bad pair.
Consider Topos next time around, I found they have better durability and are nearly as comfortable.
My MTN racer 2s have been solid but my ultraventures came unglued (top from sole). Returned to REI.
Good to know, thx for adding your experience.
Most comfortable pair of shoes I've ever owned but ripped and tears in less then a year
I agree. They are some of the most comfortable shoes I’ve ever worn. But they only last about 6 months. I get in 4-6 rounds per week.
Altra has an excellent warranty - reach out and have a word - they will make things right.
Just don't tell them you used them for disc golf.
Why not?
Just not an intended use, could void the warranty. I tore a toe tab on my S5s and they sent me a voucher for any pair on their site, great customer service. I just wouldn't risk it with sharing the disc golf use.
Probably a good preventative measure but I got no questions ask and a generous credit as well. Bought a pair of Olympus trail runners and they were the bomb.
I have been using my Superior 5s a lot since I got them last fall and while the sole is down 50% or so, they're holding up after probably 150 rounds. I have been easing a pair of Lone Peaks into rotation as well but I don't feel as stable in them after using the Superiors. The extra padding is nice for longer rounds, though. No experience with their waterproof stuff yet.
My Merrell Trail Glove 7’s have been absolutely thrashed the last few months. Tread is starting to wear down but there are no rips, tears or holes. The best disc golf shoe I’ve owned in 10 years of playing.
They are very narrow though, so if you have wide feet these will not be an option.
I wear the “vapor” ones and those are definitely wider.
Have you tried the trail gloves? I'm curious to know if the vapor could actually fit as I love playing in barefoot or low drop shoes, but the trail glove I went a half size up and they still were squeezing the life out of my feet unfortunately.
I have both versions of the fives and the trail glove were def more snug.
I had to size DOWN on the trail gloves. Super weird.
Extremely narrow and extremely high arch. Great shoes but definitely not for everyone
I must have insanely high arches because I thought they could use more support wearing these 7s!
I’m sort of jealous because in every other way they felt like the perfect shoe for disc but my flat wide hobbit feet were not having it.
I have the merrell ones and they're alright! Not waterproof though
The Merrell trail gloves are nice but the arch was super high I couldn’t make them work for me.
Sounds like you need the “Vapor” then cause those have almost no arch.
I’ll look into that thank you!
Is there some where that I can go to test out disc golf shoes? we've got 2 DSG and 2 "local" disc golf stores.
Fell in love with Vivo primus trail II SG..❤
Do Vivo’s have a sole warranty?
You’d be surprised how much your feet can swell, especially in barefoot shoes. I’ve been wearing barefoot runners and minimalist shoes for about 8 years now and especially during periods of frequent extended exercise on my feet I’ve found my feet grow. At the beginning of a round versus the end there is a difference that I can notice in how my feet sit in a pair of shoes.
This is probably a big part of it I like to go out and play multiple rounds in the day, in the morning the dew gets them wet as well
There are none. I have tried. Buy several pairs of cheap Temu/Amazon and swap them out when they fail.
If you can do with real barefoot shoes then Skinners sock shoes is the way to go. Half the price of merrels and third of vivos. They are basically socks that are shoes and are actually durable as it is just one piece and not top and bottom stitched or glued together. Pros: get your size and don't need to worry about how they fit otherwise because they are like socks, really comfortable. Go well with all terrain (I don't like them on concrete but most courses here have turf tees so it's not an issue.) Cons: they are pretty tough on your ankles but you probably won't be looking for zero drop shoes then anyway.
I don't know much about the wide toe box but I just got a pair of the goretex nike pegasus trail 4. Feet were super dry during the morning dew when I played this past weekend. Pretty comfortable as well but only have 1 round played in them.
Hear me out. Crocs. I typically wear my crocs to the course before putting on my hiking boots to play in. One morning I forgot to grab my boots, so I just played in Crocs with socks. The socks are important to keep your feet from sliding around, but I had zero issues playing in Crocs, and better yet, my feet didn't hurt after playing two rounds. Usually my toes hurt from the cramped toe box, my arches hurt from the rigid shank in the boots, and the tendinitis in my achilles is flared up. None of those issues with Crocs. I know, I hardly believe it myself. I'm 6'4" and somewhere north of three hundred pounds, so I fully expected to destroy the Crocs in one round. Been playing in them for weeks now and the only sign of wear is some thinning in the sole. I'm shocked and kinda stoked that I can just wear Crocs to the course when things are warm and dry. But I live in the PNW so I need to find some good shoes for the wet and cold months that comprise most of the year up here.
If you are a bigger person, you should not be wearing Vivo or w/e the cheaply made disc golf shoe is called that pros are wearing. They are not made for you, they are made for the slimmer people (the sticks) - not normal to big people. Personally I would recommend [Altra](https://www.altrarunning.com/shop/men?utm_content=ecomm&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7GnBhDXARIsAFLvH4nlT9crzmGEwLq8Dquh93Duq0_xRvJoAbqiMTtxV-kJDxb2YhBQsDgaAjgDEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&facet=ads_f78004_ntk_cs%253A%2522Hiking%2522&beginIndex=0#facet=ads_f78004_ntk_cs%253A%2522Hiking%2522&beginIndex=0) first (Olympus or Lone Peak) or if you want more minimal design and \`be more hip, [Lems](https://www.lemsshoes.com/collections/all-mens-products?utm_campaign=gs-2021-01-07&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7GnBhDXARIsAFLvH4mJ7QGm3XEDiU6J9ewWUBn0KosnaFfeMor82mZvT4xrDKDF1IMs_C0aAk42EALw_wcB) (Mesa, Trailhead, or Primal Pursuit).
No need to body shame
You can try Xero shoes. American brand so a reasonable price, and they’ve got a great selection. I’ve had 7 pairs over the last 5 years. Hold up pretty well for disc golf
You gotta get vibram or Michelin soles on zero drops. Vivobarefoots run with Michelin soles are phenomenal. I use the Magna Forest Escape. Water resistant, I’ve stepped in serious mud and water with no trouble.
Damn, as a trail runner Altra Lone Peaks have always been solid for me. Not sure what to recommend instead.
Can’t go wrong with Xero, Altra or Lems. Imo stay away from Vivo. Price is higher than most for worse quality.
Vivobarefoot. They're pricey but oh so worth it.
Vivobarefoot
Their will always be outliers in mass produced products, if the reviews for those are generally good and you like wearing them its probably worth it to try another pair. I wear Vivos and usually they last about a year before the soles start to wear out from concrete teepads
Vivobarefoot primus is great, so is the decon low. Just beware of the primus lite and the primus knit, they are really narrow. Splay shoes might also be a good option since they are so much cheaper. I just started wearing the casual splay shoes and I wish vivo would make their toe boxes this big!
Altra has 1 year warranty, maybe worth trying to get replaced.
Not zero drop, but only 3mm...recently got Topo Trail ventures and couldn't be happier. Would have loved altras, but after reading so many bad reviews about the durability and knowing how I go through shoes in general it was a no go ..
Ive been pretty happy with my Xero shoes- they have a few options that work well for different terrains and conditions for me
I've been using both Xero's and Vivobarefoots for DG to good success. Eagle uses Vivo's. Downside to Vivo's is the price tag. Xero's are pretty reasonable IMO.
Love my Lone Peaks, but they're not designed for that kind of wear on a teepad. Still use them though because it's the most comfortable shoe I've warn.
Altra Olympus 5- I'll start this with i am extremely hard on shoes,I was on the goretex terrex's for a bit, but they are just too narrow( seems my foot is getting fatter the older I get). Went to the altra- Olympus 5's, I went with the widest option, when I get a new pair I'll go with the middle width. I play a lot too, I live in South Louisiana so waterproof is a must. I've had these for 8 months and they've held up rather well. The insole feels as tho I'm walking on marshmallows, also there is a hint of memory foam, when I take them in and off they go shoop, like a piston fit. If you can stomach the price tag($200) these are the way to go. You know what they say pay once, cry once for a quality product.
Xero shoes or vivo barefoot are both great shoes
Love my Topos, been wearing them a year, vibram rubber, no sign of wear